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Judy Battista & Cynthia Frelund on Jaguars' future | Jags Drive Time: Wednesday, March 1 · The Jacksonville Jaguars Official Podcast Network

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Speaker 1: Welcome to JAS Drive Johnny bye from the twenty twenty
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Speaker 1: three NFL Scouting Combine in Indianapolis. Now it's to get
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Speaker 1: things started. Here's your host, j P. Shadleys Downtown Indianapolis
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Speaker 1: sets Monument Circle just a few blocks away from Lucas
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Speaker 1: Oil Stadium and across the street from there the Indiana
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Speaker 1: Convention Center. And welcome inside at JAGGS Drivetime, j P. Shadrick.
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Speaker 1: John Osier is coming up. We've got a busy show ahead.
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Speaker 1: We'll review Doug Peterson and Trent Balky. They both spoke
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Speaker 1: with the media at the podium here in Indie yesterday.
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Speaker 1: Some highlights of their comments coming up, Sentia Freeland of
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Speaker 1: NFL Network at eleven thirty today, we open it Today's
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Speaker 1: show with one of the greats in the business with
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Speaker 1: NFL media since twenty thirteen. That followed nearly fifteen years
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Speaker 1: with The New York Times covering the NFL, also time
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Speaker 1: with Newsday and the Miami Herald. It's NFL Media senior
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Speaker 1: national columnist Judy Batista. John's here too. Thank you for
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Speaker 1: the Times, Judy, good to see you, to see you guys. Yeah,
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Speaker 1: here we are another combine. It continues to grow. The
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Speaker 1: configuration changes every year, but gosh, well, I think over
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Speaker 1: a thousand credential media here. It's what it is, a
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Speaker 1: big flagpole event of the off season. Yes, I think this. Well,
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Speaker 1: you know, the Draft is like second only to the
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Speaker 1: Super Bowl, which is unbelievable. Um, but and this is
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Speaker 1: the start of the lead up to the Draft. This
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Speaker 1: the way this event has grown just in the time
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Speaker 1: we've covered the NFL is astonishing. Now your first combine
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Speaker 1: with which year, I don't remember which year it was.
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Speaker 1: I was here the year that Peyton Manning was coming out,
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Speaker 1: and literally they were walking around the hotel lobby saying,
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Speaker 1: does anybody need to talk to Peyton Manning? Like that's
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Speaker 1: how there were no podiums. There was none of this
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Speaker 1: formalized setting, like you hung out with a handful of
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Speaker 1: other reporters in a lobby and the agents and their
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Speaker 1: people would sort of walk the players, you need to
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Speaker 1: talk to Peyton. And it was almost discouraged at one
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Speaker 1: point for reporters and media to be here. That's how
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Speaker 1: different it was that there was a period of not
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Speaker 1: wanting people to come. And there's people I know, Peter
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Speaker 1: King I think was here when they were five or
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Speaker 1: six reporters. Yeah, and then it went from being okay,
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Speaker 1: well you go if you want, and now it is
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Speaker 1: a media event more than it even is a player
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Speaker 1: evaluation event. In my opinion, it's really a programming event
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Speaker 1: as much as anything. Right, I mean, all of these
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Speaker 1: workouts are going to be on TV and online and
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Speaker 1: it's and remember the kicking and screaming with football people
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Speaker 1: about how it would ruin the combat. Yes, and yes,
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Speaker 1: now players almost have to participate because players are trained
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Speaker 1: for this, right, They're trained for their time on the
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Speaker 1: podium with the media. I mean they are trained to
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Speaker 1: present themselves that this it's incredible. There's always some news
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Speaker 1: that pops up. Today it's Jaleen Carter of Georgia. I mean,
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Speaker 1: thirty minutes before we scheduled to speak, the arrest weren't
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Speaker 1: comes down and he's not even here. I guess he
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Speaker 1: left last night. So there's always some kind of bit
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Speaker 1: of news amongst those players that are you know, supposed
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Speaker 1: first round picks. Yeah, that's a bad one. I mean
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Speaker 1: that's an understatement. I mean that is a very bad one. Yeah,
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Speaker 1: no doubt. All right. So also earlier this week you've
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Speaker 1: been following the competition committee conversation. The big votes come
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Speaker 1: up from the owners at the annual meeting later in March.
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Speaker 1: Of course, that's down the line in Arizona, John, I
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Speaker 1: think you'll be there for that for Jaguars dot Com.
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Speaker 1: But you know, it's a lot of quarterback centric things,
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Speaker 1: as is the case it's the NFL. Let's start with
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Speaker 1: this push play on the sneak. I mean I saw
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Speaker 1: this in a Penn State game this year Perdue Penn
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Speaker 1: State up the road here at West Lafayette, and they
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Speaker 1: lined up them T formation and three guys pushed him
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Speaker 1: into the end zone touchdown. And we started seeing that
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Speaker 1: more and more in the NFL. The Eagles especially were
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Speaker 1: well known for that. There's a little bit of uneasiness
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Speaker 1: with that because how do you defend it? And that's
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Speaker 1: got to be part of the conversation. Well, I think
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Speaker 1: there's easiness just on an aesthetic level, like this doesn't
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Speaker 1: look very like. This looks like a rugby player, right, Like,
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Speaker 1: this doesn't really look like the NFL. And then there
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Speaker 1: is an uneasiness, first of all, on the injury front,
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Speaker 1: like this can't be good. You know that defenses are
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Speaker 1: going to go to school this offseason on how to
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Speaker 1: stop it, and I mean, let's face it, the way
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Speaker 1: to stop it is going to be like you put
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Speaker 1: your defensive tackles in there tight and you have your
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Speaker 1: linebackers push against yikes, So you're gonna have the most
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Speaker 1: important member of the franchise sandwiched between, like, you know,
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Speaker 1: getting pushed on both sides. I don't I don't know
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Speaker 1: that they're going to outlaw it, though, because I think
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Speaker 1: there is a feeling of like, well, stop it. As
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Speaker 1: soon as a defense stops it, it all out right,
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Speaker 1: and then they will come up with other things to do.
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Speaker 1: I know, offensive coaches don't want to lose the play
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Speaker 1: because they think you can do other stuff out of
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Speaker 1: that formation. You sort of show that and then pitch
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Speaker 1: it maybe whatever you're gonna do, right. I don't know
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Speaker 1: if they will outlaw it, but I mean there's certainly
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Speaker 1: a lot of conversation around this. But back in the
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Speaker 1: early nineteen hundreds, heavy rows of outlawed the flying wedge,
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Speaker 1: if you remember. I don't remember, but I pretend to remember.
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Speaker 1: But it strikes me there was a time twenty twenty
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Speaker 1: five years ago where you couldn't push the runner and
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Speaker 1: it sort of came back and the Eagles, to their credit,
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Speaker 1: has sort of taken advantage of the thing that was allowed.
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Speaker 1: But I don't remember when it was outlaw I mean
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Speaker 1: when it was brought back in. But now, when I
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Speaker 1: was a kid covering games or a kid watching games,
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Speaker 1: you could not push the runner from behind. So I
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Speaker 1: don't think it would be very hard for them to
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Speaker 1: outlaw the play, and I think they will mainly because
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Speaker 1: of the esthetics and as you say, Judy, the safety
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Speaker 1: with eventually creating a situation where you have eleven on eleven.
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Speaker 1: That's why they outlawed the onside kick or not outlawed,
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Speaker 1: but change the onside kick rule was because of that
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Speaker 1: point of contact in the danger. I think eventually this
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Speaker 1: play will go in some capacity by the way that
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Speaker 1: either limiting how many people can push or something. It
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Speaker 1: just doesn't feel like they'll allow it. I don't love
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Speaker 1: legislation that outlaws plays. I think you get into a
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Speaker 1: gray area there. But I think they will all this
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Speaker 1: win in some capacities. Yeah, I'm curious to see. They've
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Speaker 1: said after the first day of meetings that that was
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Speaker 1: like one of the primary topics of conversation, Like they
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Speaker 1: spent a lot of time going back and forth on that,
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Speaker 1: and they want to keep looking at it, and I
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Speaker 1: think going into the March meeting is when they'll have
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Speaker 1: a long conversation with the other owners because it also
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Speaker 1: just doesn't look very good and like that's important that
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Speaker 1: matters in all league that scores forty points a game.
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Speaker 1: I mean, you're line up. I would also add this,
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Speaker 1: even if they don't outlaw it, the first time a
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Speaker 1: quarterback gets injured doing it will be the last time
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Speaker 1: we see a call. Well, that leads into our next conversation,
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Speaker 1: and it's the possible return of the emergency quarterback rule, right,
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Speaker 1: I mean, up until twenty ten, league required teams to
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Speaker 1: designated an emergency quarterback. Clear you could always have three quarterbacks,
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Speaker 1: you could have five quarterbacks, six, you can do whatever
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Speaker 1: you want, use your roster the way you want. But
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Speaker 1: after we saw what happened in the playoff game with
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Speaker 1: the Niners, which was obviously very unfortunate, where they literally
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Speaker 1: did not have a quarterback one team though one team,
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Speaker 1: I'm not sure that they're going to go back to that.
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Speaker 1: I mean, there was a reason that they you know,
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Speaker 1: lots of teams only want to carry only want to
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Speaker 1: have two active, and that's the risky run. And that's
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Speaker 1: the risky one. I mean, that's the calculation. You you
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Speaker 1: make the decision, head coach. Yeah, you want to use
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Speaker 1: your roster. I don't think they should mandate how teams
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Speaker 1: a lot their roster. I think you've got to at
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Speaker 1: some point the team's responsible for, yeah, putting your players
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Speaker 1: on the field. Here's fifty three. You guys figure it
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Speaker 1: out right out? The consequence? Do you think you're so
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Speaker 1: smart and can carry two? And you guys right, the
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Speaker 1: most teams have gone that way to get an extra
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Speaker 1: player in there. But I mean after you know, that
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Speaker 1: was sort of the cautionary tail. After we saw what happened,
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Speaker 1: there maybe a change. One more to discuss here, and
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Speaker 1: it's the possibility of making roughing the pass a reviewable.
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Speaker 1: This to me, parkins back to the pattern ofference reviewable.
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Speaker 1: It lasted one year because it's a judgment call, and
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Speaker 1: you know you can't regulate all that as well, do
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Speaker 1: you think, judy, Yeah, that's exactly how the Competition committee
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Speaker 1: feels too. They do not want to go down that path.
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Speaker 1: That year was not pleasant for them. That was I mean,
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Speaker 1: they remember they sort of I don't want to use
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Speaker 1: the word bullying, but they sort of got bullied into
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Speaker 1: making it reviewable. The Competition Committee had real concerns about
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Speaker 1: making past interference reviewable. The coaches wanted it. They sort
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Speaker 1: of talked them into it at the league meeting, big meeting,
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Speaker 1: and they said, oh, we can do this. And it
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Speaker 1: was a mess. It was a year long headache for
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Speaker 1: them and it disappeared right afterwards. And I think the
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Speaker 1: Competition Committee feels like you're going down the same path.
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Speaker 1: It's a judgment call. What they really want is things
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Speaker 1: to be called, and this is not just roughing the pastor,
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Speaker 1: this is all calls. They want more consistency across all
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Speaker 1: of the officiating crews, so that what one crew calls
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Speaker 1: roughing the pastor is the same as what this crew
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Speaker 1: calls and this crew over here. That's what they really want,
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Speaker 1: is just consistent. That's really hard and j where I'm
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Speaker 1: going with that. It's been a constant topic in the
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Speaker 1: mail bag that I do. And the reality is everybody
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Speaker 1: watching games, and I think that's falls to coaches as well.
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Speaker 1: I'm not sure sometimes it coaches. I want to grasp
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Speaker 1: the mechanics of officiating the way that the Competition Committee does.
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Speaker 1: And the reality is the Competition Committee and everybody in
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Speaker 1: officiating wants consistency across the board and they want the
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Speaker 1: right calls made. But they also know from experience, and
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Speaker 1: the people on the Competition Committee study this a great
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Speaker 1: deal more than the coaches do. They know from experience
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Speaker 1: that any time you bring judgment into or judgment calls
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Speaker 1: into replay, the problem with it is it doesn't solve
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Speaker 1: the issue that they're trying to solve, and it lengthens games.
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Speaker 1: And I think because you still have somebody still has
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Speaker 1: to make the judgment, whether it's in the boot, and
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Speaker 1: I think you have to you sort of have to
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Speaker 1: appreciate and I know this is an unpopular opinion, they
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Speaker 1: get most calls right, and they get most calls right
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Speaker 1: in real time, which is really hard. And one thing
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Speaker 1: they have made the rule book so complicated, you can't
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Speaker 1: make it even more complicated. They talked a lot about
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Speaker 1: that hip drop tackle, which is a hot button issue
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Speaker 1: right now. Patrick Mahomes got hurt one against the Jacks
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Speaker 1: Tony Pollard, and one of the concerns with do you
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Speaker 1: make that a penalty is Troy Vincent said, can an
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Speaker 1: official see that in real time? Like? That's hard. In
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Speaker 1: real time you would have to be able to see
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Speaker 1: it and throw the flag, not in slow moo like
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Speaker 1: we all watched it happen to Mahomes, but in the moment,
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Speaker 1: can you see it. You're making it too complicated for
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Speaker 1: the officials. If anything, you want to make it easier
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Speaker 1: on the officials, and we're probably too far gone for that.
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Speaker 1: It's also hard to legislate football completely out of football
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Speaker 1: tackle right, And there is something too that I don't
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Speaker 1: know if that's an intent tackle. I suppose you could
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Speaker 1: curve it a little bit by leaving room for the
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Speaker 1: player to be fined if it's clear on replay somehow.
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Speaker 1: If it's clear on review that intentional, if there was
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Speaker 1: intent involved or it was outside of that, I guess
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Speaker 1: you could try to kurbycus. I'm all. I mean, I
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Speaker 1: think everybody's for players safety, but there is an element
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Speaker 1: where these are, you know, big, strong, fast, physical people
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Speaker 1: playing a game that's hard to legislate everything because everything's reaction.
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Speaker 1: So yeah, on the topic of players safety, briefly, I
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Speaker 1: mean their number one thing is getting the head even
11:29
Speaker 1: further out of the game that you're going to hear
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Speaker 1: a lot more about that going into the March meetings,
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Speaker 1: like what can they do to get the head even
11:36
Speaker 1: further out? And you're going to those Guardian caps that
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Speaker 1: they wore during training camp. We're going to see more
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Speaker 1: of that, more of that. Yeah, that's Judy Batista NFL
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Speaker 1: Media joining us on Jack's Drive Time from the NFL
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Speaker 1: Scott and Combine. Yah, the Jacks made the playoffs. The
11:51
Speaker 1: first off they made the playoffs. That was remarkable enough,
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Speaker 1: and then they get into the playoff game, down twenty
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Speaker 1: seven four interceptions. Things are just going awful and they
12:01
Speaker 1: somehow rallied to win. Me bananas. Yeah, I was watching
12:04
Speaker 1: that game at home and I thought, man, this is
12:07
Speaker 1: a bumber, Like how this is gonna like look? And
12:11
Speaker 1: then like wow, I didn't almost turn it off. I
12:14
Speaker 1: wouldn't turn it off, but like, you know, you're sort
12:16
Speaker 1: of not paying us close attention. And then all of
12:18
Speaker 1: a sudden, I was like, Okay, amazing, listen, this team
12:23
Speaker 1: is primed to be good. I mean, obviously what you
12:26
Speaker 1: saw from Trevor certainly in the second half of the season,
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Speaker 1: that upward trajectory I expect will continue you know, now
12:33
Speaker 1: he's going to have a first a full off season
12:36
Speaker 1: with Doug Peterson. You've gone through a full season, you're
12:40
Speaker 1: gonna go that can only get better. I mean, obviously
12:42
Speaker 1: Doug Peterson had a lot of work to do in
12:45
Speaker 1: that franchise last year and did a remarkable job changing
12:48
Speaker 1: things on the fly. But now year two you would
12:51
Speaker 1: think is only going to be better. Like I think
12:54
Speaker 1: the whole mindset of the jack Wards is different now, right.
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Speaker 1: It's not about really building and retooling as much is maintaining,
13:01
Speaker 1: you know, adding pieces here and there. But you're not
13:04
Speaker 1: you know, we're not going to see those wholesale free
13:06
Speaker 1: agency spending spreez anymore. And obviously you don't have the
13:09
Speaker 1: first pick anymore. So this is a it's a totally
13:12
Speaker 1: different thing for these It's a good place to be.
13:15
Speaker 1: You're trying to match the Chiefs and the Bills and
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Speaker 1: those teams. Now, that's the expectation is to get to
13:22
Speaker 1: that level and then knock those teams stay different. It's tough.
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Speaker 1: One reason I think the Chiefs are so daunting as
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Speaker 1: an opponent is they've already crossed to the bridge that
13:32
Speaker 1: every team has to. You've already given your superstar quarterback
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Speaker 1: the huge contract, and they have figured out a way
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Speaker 1: to structure the roster and keep the pieces that you
13:41
Speaker 1: have to keep and still win a Super Bowl. I mean,
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Speaker 1: the Bengals still have to get over that bridge. Obviously,
13:46
Speaker 1: the jag Wars will eventually have to get there. That's
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Speaker 1: that's the next hurdle. Do you think the quarterback contracts
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Speaker 1: will continue to go up? I mean, you're seeing Lamar
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Speaker 1: Jackson right now. Sort of it feels like there's the
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Speaker 1: dish on Watson's ceiling that teams don't want to get
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Speaker 1: past and they're scared of. Understandably, how do you see
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Speaker 1: that sort of playing out? Necessarily Lamar Jackson's specific, but
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Speaker 1: quarterback contracts, because it's it's going to be hard to
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Speaker 1: get past. You know, Mahomes has to be the ceiling
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Speaker 1: because nobody's better than him. But where do you see
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Speaker 1: it landing. Are teams going to sort of at this
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Speaker 1: point say stop not if you want to keep your quarterback?
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Speaker 1: They're not. And first of all, let's be clear, nobody
14:29
Speaker 1: hears losing money. No teams are losing money, and the
14:31
Speaker 1: salary cap keeps going up. There's more and more money
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Speaker 1: flowing into the system. The next big one, I mean
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Speaker 1: Lamar's situation. Let's set that one to the side because
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Speaker 1: it's unusual. The next big one is Joe Burrow is
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Speaker 1: due for an extension of eligible for an extension. He
14:47
Speaker 1: could reset the market for sure, and I mean he
14:49
Speaker 1: is clearly, I mean obviously the Bengals can't let him
14:52
Speaker 1: right get him getting anywhere in your free agency. The
14:56
Speaker 1: Lamar situation is fascinating, and he wants a guarantee country.
15:01
Speaker 1: He wants the Shawn Watson structure, the guaranteed money. Every
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Speaker 1: other team has resisted doing it, and even the big
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Speaker 1: contracts that have been given to quarterback since the Deshaun
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Speaker 1: Watson thing have not gone all the way right, So,
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Speaker 1: I mean the question is would the Ravens do that
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Speaker 1: because the Deshaun Watson right now is viewed as an
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Speaker 1: outlier and the other owners were not happy with the
15:26
Speaker 1: Browns for going there, especially for that particular player um
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Speaker 1: and the baggage he arrived with. So if another player
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Speaker 1: who does not have that baggage and it is not
15:36
Speaker 1: in that odd circumstanceing gets a fully guaranteed contract, that
15:39
Speaker 1: reshapes football standard all right, completely changes things, and as
15:44
Speaker 1: you said, like, if you're giving that to Lamar Jackson respectfully,
15:47
Speaker 1: I mean Patrick Mahomes has to say like, hi, right,
15:50
Speaker 1: right right, Joe Burrow, Hi on the franchise, right, like
15:54
Speaker 1: what are you gonna do? So I would not expect
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Speaker 1: the Ravens to go on that um and owners are
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Speaker 1: going to resist as long as they possibly can. Eventually
16:04
Speaker 1: somebody else will get it right. Judy Bautista, NFL Media.
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Speaker 1: We could talk with you all day long, but I
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Speaker 1: appreciate the time that you gave us today. It's great
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Speaker 1: to see you guys. See you in Arizona. Fantastic, see
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Speaker 1: you down the line. Jennie Bautista joining us NFL media
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Speaker 1: back in a moment. We got big things in the day.
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Speaker 1: A little later, Cynthia Freeland, NFL Media as well. We're
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Speaker 1: in Indianapolis. This is Jags Drivetime back in Indianapolis in
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Speaker 1: the Indiana Convention Center at Shag's Drivetime on a Wednesday,
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Speaker 1: JP Shaddick with John Osar thanks to Judy Bautista, NFL Media. John,
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Speaker 1: Let's get to the big things of the week for
16:48
Speaker 1: the Jaguars. Doug Peterson, Trent Balky speaking with the media
16:52
Speaker 1: earlier this week Tuesday here in Indianapolis, we'll hear from
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Speaker 1: them coming up in just a moment. Setting the tone
16:58
Speaker 1: for the offseason A half had. Part of that has
17:01
Speaker 1: already underway, with some contract restructuring for the Jacksonville Jaguars
17:05
Speaker 1: over the last week or so, reportedly to open some
17:08
Speaker 1: cap space, and still some signing maybe to be done
17:12
Speaker 1: of pending free agents. And now the focus turns from
17:16
Speaker 1: free agency acquisition from other teams to drafting and developing
17:21
Speaker 1: and keeping the core players together for this team while
17:24
Speaker 1: adding some pieces. And that's where we are, John. It's
17:29
Speaker 1: what happens when you have a winning team and you
17:32
Speaker 1: want to keep that winning team together, you have to
17:34
Speaker 1: change your focus. You're not going to go out and
17:36
Speaker 1: spend one hundred million dollars total in free agency. Yeah.
17:40
Speaker 1: I've gotten some emails people asking, well, it's pretty quiet,
17:44
Speaker 1: it's pretty boring. Welcome to winning, I mean, and this
17:48
Speaker 1: is how it's supposed to be. And you win in
17:51
Speaker 1: the NFL usually by drafting and developing, well adding a
17:56
Speaker 1: few key free agents, which they're trying to do. By
17:58
Speaker 1: doing things this way. This is how you keep the
18:01
Speaker 1: ship moving in the right direction. One thing on these restructurings,
18:05
Speaker 1: you know, and some people sort of think players are
18:08
Speaker 1: taking pay cuts or they're dramatically reworking their deals, and
18:14
Speaker 1: that's a little bit of a misnomer. Most of these
18:18
Speaker 1: are players are still making the same amount they were,
18:21
Speaker 1: they're getting paid in a different ways. It's pure salary
18:25
Speaker 1: cap matchinations. And there is a strong element of pushing
18:29
Speaker 1: some of these contracts forward in the sense that in
18:33
Speaker 1: later years of these contracts twenty four, twenty five, there
18:36
Speaker 1: will now be salary cap ramifications of those players where
18:40
Speaker 1: there weren't before. But in terms of what they're making,
18:44
Speaker 1: in terms of their commitment to the franchise, it really
18:47
Speaker 1: doesn't change. So you know, this is something that the
18:53
Speaker 1: Jaguars haven't done a lot in recent years because they
18:56
Speaker 1: haven't won a lot in recent years. But when you've
18:58
Speaker 1: got a core of player is that you want to
19:00
Speaker 1: keep together. If you don't do this, then you won't
19:05
Speaker 1: be able to keep those players. This is part and
19:07
Speaker 1: parcel to winning in the NFL. Let's hear from Doug
19:10
Speaker 1: Peterson and Trimp Balky from yesterday. Of course, the full
19:14
Speaker 1: availabilities on Jaguars dot com. But Doug Peterson, well, this
19:18
Speaker 1: team has momentum after winning last year getting to the playoffs,
19:22
Speaker 1: but do they that's the question. Momentum can only take
19:26
Speaker 1: you so far to the next season. I think momentum
19:30
Speaker 1: can carry you, but every year is different. You know.
19:32
Speaker 1: We're all thirty two teams are starting over, you know,
19:35
Speaker 1: and everybody's zero and zero, and you know, we're trying
19:40
Speaker 1: to build the best roster, just like the thirty one
19:43
Speaker 1: other teams right now. But we can we can learn
19:45
Speaker 1: from what we did, especially the second half of our season.
19:49
Speaker 1: I feel like we got the right guys, the right makeup,
19:51
Speaker 1: the chemistry, the locker room is solid, and those are
19:54
Speaker 1: the things you build on, you know. That's the momentum
19:56
Speaker 1: that you're talking about with those guys right there, and
19:58
Speaker 1: guys that have been in Jacksonville, you know, and and
20:03
Speaker 1: they've they've kind of gone through some tough times and
20:06
Speaker 1: now you know, this past year they got on the
20:09
Speaker 1: other side of that. And so that's the challenge now
20:11
Speaker 1: of keeping that rolling as we head into twenty three.
20:18
Speaker 1: That's the trick. Coaches who've been around the league for
20:20
Speaker 1: a long time understand, yes, you can talk about momentum,
20:23
Speaker 1: but that season is done. It's in the past, that
20:27
Speaker 1: that group of players as a whole will never be
20:29
Speaker 1: the same again, and whatever magic or whatever that was
20:33
Speaker 1: in that room, well, you can't just push the button
20:36
Speaker 1: and do it again. You've got to build another separate team,
20:39
Speaker 1: an identity of the team. In twenty twenty three and beyond,
20:42
Speaker 1: Well and Joe Montana used to talk about taking notes
20:47
Speaker 1: on the first day of training camp or the first
20:50
Speaker 1: day of the offseason program, taking notes when they were
20:53
Speaker 1: introducing the offense. The same way in year twelve was
20:57
Speaker 1: when he was a rookie I was with the Colts,
21:00
Speaker 1: Peyton Manning would clean out his entire locker after the season,
21:03
Speaker 1: and if you walk through their locker room, there was
21:06
Speaker 1: nothing in his locker short of you know, maybe a
21:09
Speaker 1: notebooks Empthony left. But I really asked him about it,
21:13
Speaker 1: but I assume it was a very symbolic thing on
21:15
Speaker 1: his part of Hey, two thousand and eight's over when
21:18
Speaker 1: I come back in two thousand and nine. First of all,
21:22
Speaker 1: you know, most players don't know if they're automatically back.
21:25
Speaker 1: Peyton was obviously going to be back. Yer's gonna be back,
21:27
Speaker 1: But mentally, there is a when you walk in it's
21:31
Speaker 1: a fresh start. I don't know how Jaguars players are
21:35
Speaker 1: treating their lockers, but it is important when they come
21:39
Speaker 1: back to realize just because what you know, the thrill
21:42
Speaker 1: and the energy of last season. In a way, it's
21:45
Speaker 1: almost good for this team to have three or four
21:49
Speaker 1: months between that because that will be over. I think
21:52
Speaker 1: they will benefit from that. I think they showed what
21:56
Speaker 1: kind of team they can be. There's certainly a core
21:58
Speaker 1: and there's certainly every reason to believe that Trevor Lawrence
22:01
Speaker 1: will continue to lift this franchise, but you know it's
22:04
Speaker 1: not it's not guarantee. I think the coolest thing that
22:08
Speaker 1: Doug said yesterday to me was when he talked about
22:13
Speaker 1: wanting the team to feel the expectations and the pressure,
22:19
Speaker 1: and I think he said it a couple of lines
22:21
Speaker 1: after the st that we ran. That's intriguing to me
22:25
Speaker 1: because he's embracing it. He knows it's gonna come, he
22:28
Speaker 1: knows they're the AFC South champions, but I think he
22:32
Speaker 1: also knows, hey, it was great to be in the
22:34
Speaker 1: divisional playoff. We want to be in the super Bowl
22:36
Speaker 1: next year. And my senses that that will be his
22:41
Speaker 1: message to the team. April seventeen, last year was very
22:44
Speaker 1: much about culture. It was about trying to improve. They
22:46
Speaker 1: said they wanted to go to the Super Bowl. I
22:48
Speaker 1: don't think that was really in the front of their
22:50
Speaker 1: minds at the beginning of the season, but I think
22:53
Speaker 1: he will find a way to have that in the
22:55
Speaker 1: front of their minds in the proper way come April seventeen.
23:00
Speaker 1: The pressure it's the NFL, So you're not really sneaking
23:03
Speaker 1: up per se on any team. It's not like a
23:05
Speaker 1: you know, college underdog goes on the road and wins
23:08
Speaker 1: as a fifty point dog anything of that stuff. But
23:10
Speaker 1: this team was not expected nationally to do a lot
23:12
Speaker 1: of things last year. Well that's out the window because
23:16
Speaker 1: everybody saw what happened in December and the playoff game,
23:19
Speaker 1: and they realized now that the target is on the
23:22
Speaker 1: Jaguars and they're not gonna be sneaking up on a
23:25
Speaker 1: team trying to come back from behind and all that
23:27
Speaker 1: those days might be done. So yeah, I'm never huge
23:30
Speaker 1: on the whole sneaking up thing, but I do think
23:33
Speaker 1: internally it changes maybe the pressure that a team feels
23:39
Speaker 1: on itself. Jaguars late in the season, it was an
23:42
Speaker 1: interesting season to me. They played without any pressure, and
23:48
Speaker 1: I think they sort of used that underdog thing, but
23:51
Speaker 1: then the reality is they had to deal with it
23:54
Speaker 1: in the last maybe two weeks of the season and
23:57
Speaker 1: the playoffs, so they weren't a team to me with
24:01
Speaker 1: nothing to lose, and against the Titans, they had all
24:04
Speaker 1: of a sudden to become the team that led the
24:06
Speaker 1: division and they were playing a team that had lost
24:09
Speaker 1: six or seven in a row. To me, they were
24:12
Speaker 1: the team that had a lot to lose in that game.
24:13
Speaker 1: So I think they experienced what you're talking about. But
24:17
Speaker 1: then once you got to the postseason, once you got
24:19
Speaker 1: to the Titans game, I think they did feel, Okay,
24:22
Speaker 1: we're supposed to win this game. Let's fear out a
24:24
Speaker 1: way to go do it. So I think probably they
24:26
Speaker 1: benefited from both of those things last year JP, and
24:28
Speaker 1: I think they'll benefit from the second part, playing some pressure.
24:32
Speaker 1: I think they'll be a little bit used to that
24:33
Speaker 1: going in the next season. Let's hear from Trent Balky,
24:36
Speaker 1: general manager, And as we mentioned, the focus still is
24:39
Speaker 1: on resigning pending free agents before they go to free
24:43
Speaker 1: agency at the start of the league year, but you
24:46
Speaker 1: know it's also looking ahead to the draft drafting well
24:48
Speaker 1: for this team and developing players who answered the question right.
24:53
Speaker 1: You know, the last two years, you know, we've delved
24:56
Speaker 1: heavily into free agency and we're at the point now
24:59
Speaker 1: where it's draft and develop right. Um, we got a
25:03
Speaker 1: nice core, nice core of young players. Feel really good
25:06
Speaker 1: about that group, with a good MIxS of veteran guys
25:09
Speaker 1: with a lot of experience. That and the whole thing
25:12
Speaker 1: for us now is about the locker room, making sure
25:14
Speaker 1: we keep the locker room where we've got it. It's
25:19
Speaker 1: just what we discussed a little bit earlier, but hearing
25:21
Speaker 1: it from Trent Balky makes a lot of sense. I mean,
25:23
Speaker 1: they've got the twenty fourth pick in the draft this year,
25:26
Speaker 1: in the first round, and they've got a kind of
25:29
Speaker 1: cherry pick what they want in some key spots. And
25:31
Speaker 1: it may not be a big splash in terms of
25:34
Speaker 1: free agency, as we said, there'll be a couple, but
25:37
Speaker 1: the focus now turns to keeping this core together. Well.
25:39
Speaker 1: I think it's important, and I think most fans watching
25:42
Speaker 1: this show get it, but it is. It's gonna be
25:47
Speaker 1: a pretty dramatic sea change this offseason from how the
25:51
Speaker 1: Jaguars have operated in the past. Even the years right
25:56
Speaker 1: after twenty seventeen. They didn't do very much in eighteen,
26:01
Speaker 1: but then they go out and they acquired Nick Foles
26:03
Speaker 1: in nineteen. They weren't that active in twenty, but they've
26:06
Speaker 1: been active in the last few years. And so you're
26:09
Speaker 1: used to on March sixteenth, uh, seeing a lot of fanfare,
26:13
Speaker 1: seeing the free agency press conferences, you know, the car wash,
26:17
Speaker 1: if you will, And that's not going to feel that
26:19
Speaker 1: way this year. And I think there are people out
26:22
Speaker 1: there who are going to see, well, they're standing pat
26:24
Speaker 1: they're resting in their law worlds. Well, the best way
26:27
Speaker 1: to improve in this league is to improve from within,
26:31
Speaker 1: build on what you're already doing. Yes, you add pieces,
26:34
Speaker 1: but this is going to be a year where they
26:36
Speaker 1: let their core develop that they try to emphasize continuity,
26:40
Speaker 1: and I don't think you'll see a lot of splash
26:42
Speaker 1: in free agency, and I being an old school guy,
26:45
Speaker 1: I kind of like that. I think I think some
26:47
Speaker 1: fans will be uncomfortable with it. Yeah. Yeah, it's not
26:50
Speaker 1: normal at least in to be doing it this way,
26:54
Speaker 1: but it might be the new normal rights success. Yeah,
26:58
Speaker 1: you hope it is. Because if it's the new normal
27:00
Speaker 1: long term, it means you're drafting and developing well, you
27:02
Speaker 1: have to supplement through free agency. This team has built
27:05
Speaker 1: through free agency, and as I've said often, they did
27:09
Speaker 1: a remarkable job in the last two years, especially last year,
27:12
Speaker 1: building in free agency. I asked Doug Peterson after we
27:15
Speaker 1: talked to the podium yesterday about their ability to add
27:20
Speaker 1: what could be core players in free agency, meaning Christian Kirk,
27:24
Speaker 1: Evan Ingram, guys that you want to keep. It's significant
27:28
Speaker 1: that they want to keep Evan Ingram. Many many guys
27:32
Speaker 1: signed to one year proven deals signed with other teams
27:35
Speaker 1: the next season for Henry to become a part of
27:38
Speaker 1: the core, just like Christian Kirk, Zay Jones, Brandon Sheriff,
27:42
Speaker 1: these guys are guys they want to keep. That doesn't
27:45
Speaker 1: always happen, and so they did a remarkable job of
27:47
Speaker 1: building a core of players who you think are going
27:50
Speaker 1: to be long term guys. But it's very risky and
27:53
Speaker 1: it's very expensive to do that. You can't do it
27:55
Speaker 1: on the long term, and they won't try to. They
27:57
Speaker 1: can't try to. Right There was not a lot of
27:59
Speaker 1: news on that front in terms of the pending free
28:02
Speaker 1: agent guys yesterday, but Balky did say he met with
28:05
Speaker 1: the Juwan Taylor camp here in Indy yesterday morning, and
28:09
Speaker 1: then the Evan Ingram situation can continues. You know, sounds
28:13
Speaker 1: like that's trending in the right directions. Well that way,
28:16
Speaker 1: I think people generally get Evan Ingram's going to be here,
28:20
Speaker 1: and Trent Balky didn't say it, Doug Peterson didn't say it,
28:23
Speaker 1: because they're negotiating with these guys. But it's hard for
28:28
Speaker 1: me to see Evan Ingram not being here because they
28:31
Speaker 1: want to sign him to a long term deal. Both
28:33
Speaker 1: sides want that, and then if that doesn't happen, the
28:37
Speaker 1: franchise tag is very palpable for a tight end I think,
28:41
Speaker 1: and he's round eleven million. That fits what they need
28:44
Speaker 1: to do on their books. They can make that work.
28:46
Speaker 1: They'd rather get a long term deal because the short
28:48
Speaker 1: term cap would be smaller. But I would be stunned
28:52
Speaker 1: if Evan Ingram's not here. I hope that Joan Taylor's here.
28:57
Speaker 1: The team hopes John Taylor's here, but that's a much
29:00
Speaker 1: more difficult situation because of the position. The franchise number
29:04
Speaker 1: on that is nineteen for him for one year. I
29:07
Speaker 1: can't see them doing that. I think they'll be conversation.
29:12
Speaker 1: I think they'll they'll get close. I think they'll try
29:14
Speaker 1: to find that win win that Trent mentioned several times yesterday.
29:17
Speaker 1: But with the right tackle, with already having a left
29:20
Speaker 1: tackle under contracting Camera Robinson, having walked a little on
29:23
Speaker 1: the team and ascending the Juan Taylor is much more iffy,
29:28
Speaker 1: although I don't think there's less of a desire to
29:31
Speaker 1: get him done. On the Jaguars part, don't read it
29:33
Speaker 1: that way, but I think the reality of the financial
29:37
Speaker 1: situation at some point it has to work for the
29:41
Speaker 1: cap for the long term, for what they have around him,
29:44
Speaker 1: and there's some there's some other factors that I think
29:46
Speaker 1: make Juan Taylor less likely, although not any less hopeful
29:51
Speaker 1: in the Jaguars part. Let's come back in the moment.
29:53
Speaker 1: We'll take a time out. Cynthia Freeland. We're out to her.
29:56
Speaker 1: She'll join us NFL media here in just a little bit,
29:58
Speaker 1: analytics expert, her thoughts on the Jags run and quarterback
30:03
Speaker 1: trends in the league, and all kinds of things. With
30:05
Speaker 1: Cynthia coming up in just a little bit. We're at
30:07
Speaker 1: the NFL Scouting Combine in Indianapolis on jag Drivetime. Welcome
30:22
Speaker 1: back as Jack Drivetime from the Indiana Convention Center in Indianapolis.
30:25
Speaker 1: The twenty twenty three NFL Scouting Combine is underway. The
30:29
Speaker 1: on field testing begins Thursday. The Radio Row business continues today.
30:36
Speaker 1: Our next guest has coverage of the NFL Scouting Combine
30:39
Speaker 1: the next few days on NFL Network. She has been
30:43
Speaker 1: with NFL Media for about seven years. Analytics expert Cynthia Freeland.
30:48
Speaker 1: Great to see us, Cynthia. Here we are. It's an
30:50
Speaker 1: analytics age. Let's start off with the analytics of Radio
30:53
Speaker 1: Row today. For you, I saw you about an hour
30:57
Speaker 1: and a half ago making the start of the rounds.
30:59
Speaker 1: How many tops have you made today? I try to
31:01
Speaker 1: make as many as I can. I truly, I know
31:03
Speaker 1: I said this to you before, but I truly like
31:05
Speaker 1: meeting with every single team because you know, at the
31:08
Speaker 1: network sometimes we don't talk about we kind of talk
31:10
Speaker 1: about like bigger topics, right, but I really do study
31:13
Speaker 1: every single team, like very in depth. So it's nice
31:16
Speaker 1: to be able to kind of roll out some of
31:17
Speaker 1: that knowledge sometimes and also like connect with you know,
31:20
Speaker 1: because like Jackson's bike, do you even like his? Of course?
31:22
Speaker 1: I like you. I just I can't get to Jacksonville
31:24
Speaker 1: during the season. It's too far from California. Like my
31:26
Speaker 1: job's in California, but I want to come to a game. Well,
31:29
Speaker 1: Jacks fans don't think anybody likes him. That's true. That's true.
31:32
Speaker 1: I know I'm Jad really well and he doesn't think
31:33
Speaker 1: anyone likes him. Yeah, he's coming around later. We'll hear
31:37
Speaker 1: about that. Right, let's start with that then. So you
31:40
Speaker 1: mentioned to us off the air you all these teams
31:43
Speaker 1: now have analytics departments. Ye, and that's really been a
31:47
Speaker 1: trend over the last five seven years, especially I know
31:50
Speaker 1: the Jaguars are heavy into that. It's really just a
31:52
Speaker 1: history of what's happened in the past and using that
31:56
Speaker 1: to formulate decisions. So how do you carry that over
32:00
Speaker 1: to television format and make that interesting for people? Because
32:03
Speaker 1: you do a good job. Thank you. That's very nice.
32:05
Speaker 1: I'm like, hopefully it's interesting. Look, the reality is is,
32:09
Speaker 1: you know, all of these teams, it's the technology has
32:12
Speaker 1: enabled us to do it over the past five, seven,
32:14
Speaker 1: ten years a lot faster, But the principles and ideas
32:19
Speaker 1: aren't new, right, Like you know people have been doing this.
32:22
Speaker 1: Maybe they called it quality control, or they had a
32:24
Speaker 1: different name for it. But everyone's been trying to improve
32:27
Speaker 1: the quality of their decision making since the beginning of football.
32:30
Speaker 1: Everyone wants an edge to win, right, So the difference
32:32
Speaker 1: is more like figuring out how to use the newer technologies,
32:35
Speaker 1: the different coding systems, the different ways of you know,
32:38
Speaker 1: now instead of watching four games of film before every game,
32:41
Speaker 1: now you can like do just tailored sequences or just
32:45
Speaker 1: when this team was in cover four and you can
32:47
Speaker 1: watch thirty games if you want to whatever, you know,
32:49
Speaker 1: like so like things like that, so or you get
32:52
Speaker 1: like just a better chance of like you know, doing
32:55
Speaker 1: exactly what you wanted, just faster. Right. So I think
32:57
Speaker 1: I was a banker by trade, and maybe I have
33:00
Speaker 1: nasty a d D. So I think that's part of
33:02
Speaker 1: what I'm like, I need it now at fast Squirrel,
33:04
Speaker 1: Like you know, I think maybe I've just like put
33:06
Speaker 1: those two things into play to try to tell stories,
33:09
Speaker 1: because really I view it as every player has really
33:13
Speaker 1: great skills that could be awesome in certain scenarios, and
33:16
Speaker 1: it's a really like it's like showcasing that and being
33:18
Speaker 1: this is why this matters, as opposed to being like
33:21
Speaker 1: this guy's good, which great, and you know, like we
33:25
Speaker 1: already know that, right, Like what makes Christian Kirk so
33:28
Speaker 1: good on the slot? It does the slot matter? Why
33:31
Speaker 1: are we now not calling nickel corners? You know before
33:34
Speaker 1: it was like a he's a slot corner and he
33:36
Speaker 1: was using the pejorative and now you need a nasty
33:39
Speaker 1: slot corner because everybody uses a slot see Kirk comma
33:43
Speaker 1: Christian Yeah. Right, So that's that's the kind of stuff.
33:46
Speaker 1: Are we? How far down the analytics road are we?
33:51
Speaker 1: And when I say that, I mean it's remarkable to me,
33:54
Speaker 1: as somebody's covering the league by twenty five years, how
33:58
Speaker 1: much more it is used in an obvious situations in
34:02
Speaker 1: every game, in decisions making. It's clearly changed how coaches
34:07
Speaker 1: approach certain situations in games. There's also been natural resistance
34:13
Speaker 1: because people always resistance to change. How much further do
34:18
Speaker 1: you see it going? The usage the fans will see
34:21
Speaker 1: over the next five years if you follow me, well,
34:23
Speaker 1: I hope we stop hearing things on broadcasts that are
34:26
Speaker 1: like man, analytics say it to go for it like
34:28
Speaker 1: it drives me nuts because that's actually not true. Okay,
34:31
Speaker 1: that's like, that's what I want to do I want
34:33
Speaker 1: to like be the person to be like, Okay, if
34:35
Speaker 1: you do this in past games that's worked three quarters
34:37
Speaker 1: at the time, doesn't mean it's the right decision now
34:39
Speaker 1: because was your right tackle beat up? Was your quarterback
34:42
Speaker 1: just sacked three times? Like? What's going like? But you
34:45
Speaker 1: know you can so let's just talk about it in
34:47
Speaker 1: like this is why then maybe thinking this now putting
34:50
Speaker 1: into play different like install so during the week that
34:54
Speaker 1: the week has changed, they're trying to optimize for things
34:56
Speaker 1: like load, which, by the way, sports performance analytics have
35:00
Speaker 1: probably the furthest place that they still could go, but
35:02
Speaker 1: they've come really far too, which is great. Keep me healthier,
35:06
Speaker 1: keep me you know, more able to do my job,
35:08
Speaker 1: and also like keep me good for the rest of
35:09
Speaker 1: my life. Awesome. These are all great things that have
35:12
Speaker 1: come from analytics, right big data. So the reality is
35:15
Speaker 1: is you know you're going to change your week, and
35:18
Speaker 1: so now we're practicing more fourth down situations and so
35:21
Speaker 1: it's not just like haphazard go for it, Like that's
35:23
Speaker 1: not what it is. Do you have the fourth down
35:26
Speaker 1: play when you've seen you know, cover three six times
35:31
Speaker 1: in a row. I don't have the answer to that.
35:34
Speaker 1: But your coach does, right. So the so the reality
35:36
Speaker 1: is it's just it's a it's a way of staying
35:39
Speaker 1: organized and trying to use your assets aka your players,
35:42
Speaker 1: to beat my assets in the best way possible get
35:45
Speaker 1: the biggest return on investment. Has a coach ever blamed
35:48
Speaker 1: you for everything? Yes, for going for something, but he
35:53
Speaker 1: really didn't want to. I'm sure that happens, luckily. I've
35:56
Speaker 1: never been in that situation, but I will say that
35:59
Speaker 1: I did. There was one coach who I called out
36:02
Speaker 1: for not that. He's like, don't you let I go
36:04
Speaker 1: for a un fourth of mind, You are going for
36:06
Speaker 1: it in ridiculous situations. You just want to be knows
36:08
Speaker 1: of the fourth down coach. And he's like, well, isn't
36:11
Speaker 1: that analytics. I'm like, no, okay, it's all about context. Right.
36:15
Speaker 1: So if then right, like, you're not gonna build more
36:19
Speaker 1: trucks if everybody's not buying them, right, right, So make
36:22
Speaker 1: the decisions to you know, figure out what you have
36:25
Speaker 1: and make the rights. It's decision making, right. If you
36:28
Speaker 1: can get ten percent better at your there's seventy snaps
36:31
Speaker 1: in a football it seventy plays in a football game.
36:33
Speaker 1: That's seven places. How many games have coming down to
36:35
Speaker 1: seven places? The answer is a lot, most right, So
36:37
Speaker 1: if you can get ten percent better, if you can
36:40
Speaker 1: make the quality of those seven play, that's a huge improvement.
36:44
Speaker 1: Synths and a coach who knows that very well, Stug Peterson.
36:47
Speaker 1: I mean the guy was he was the fourth down
36:49
Speaker 1: coach before all these other four towns. He's not the
36:51
Speaker 1: one who yelled at me because he actually a guy
36:53
Speaker 1: who works on your staff now, who I think is
36:55
Speaker 1: one of if not like, his name is Ryan Paganetti,
36:57
Speaker 1: and I have to say I'm Italians, but back and Eddie,
37:00
Speaker 1: you can't say it the other way. But anyway, so
37:02
Speaker 1: he does a really good job of explaining how the
37:05
Speaker 1: fourth down should work. Because Doug was not the one
37:08
Speaker 1: who got mad at me for that. He was not.
37:10
Speaker 1: It was another one. He's out in California and you
37:12
Speaker 1: may have beaten him in a most epic comeback. Okay, anyway,
37:14
Speaker 1: so it wasn't it was fun, all right. So you
37:20
Speaker 1: mentioned Christian Kirk earlier. I mean, so Zay Jones had
37:23
Speaker 1: a big year, Evan Ingram had a big year. He's
37:26
Speaker 1: coming up. You know. They got to figure it out
37:27
Speaker 1: in the next couple of weeks with him, Calvin Ridley
37:29
Speaker 1: could be on this team now, I mean they got
37:31
Speaker 1: to figure that out. What does the Ridley edition, if
37:34
Speaker 1: he's reinstated, do for the rest of the idea of
37:37
Speaker 1: this offense in Jacksonville. Yeah, that's a pretty scary offense. Um. Look,
37:41
Speaker 1: I think the interesting thing that you see in Doug
37:44
Speaker 1: Peterson led offenses, and you've seen it all the time,
37:47
Speaker 1: quarterbacks get better as the season goes on and as
37:50
Speaker 1: they play with him longer, in part because he creates
37:53
Speaker 1: so many different opportunities for all of the different pass catchers.
37:55
Speaker 1: So if you're adding a guy like Calvin Ridley, who
37:58
Speaker 1: since his days at Alabama was a pristine route runner,
38:02
Speaker 1: it's it's so reliable, Like and I say that in
38:06
Speaker 1: like the sexiest way possible, right, Like, it's it's great
38:09
Speaker 1: to know exactly where your wide receiver is going to
38:12
Speaker 1: be at the moment that you need him to be there.
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Speaker 1: That's incredible everything. So he's got great speed, but I
38:16
Speaker 1: don't care about like like the speed speed for a
38:19
Speaker 1: forty's sake, But I care about are you going to
38:21
Speaker 1: in a game? Are you gonna run that deep crosser?
38:24
Speaker 1: It's the exact second. I need you there so our
38:25
Speaker 1: time and can get So that's what is really going
38:27
Speaker 1: to be interesting because Christian Kirk has great feel for that.
38:31
Speaker 1: Zay Jones really improved in that this season, especially as
38:34
Speaker 1: a season went on, and I would be surprised, Like
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Speaker 1: what Evan Ingram is awesome, But I don't know if
38:38
Speaker 1: they need to spend there because there's a lot of
38:40
Speaker 1: good tight ends coming out of and and I like
38:41
Speaker 1: Evan Ingram like, this is no shade. This is just
38:43
Speaker 1: saying like it's it's an interesting because supply and demand,
38:47
Speaker 1: there are a supply of good tight ends that could
38:49
Speaker 1: potentially do that role, especially if you're getting Calvin Ridley anyways,
38:53
Speaker 1: not being mean, not being mean, good, nice, Yes, how
38:58
Speaker 1: do you apply to make the draft interesting for fans
39:03
Speaker 1: from an analytics point of view? I know you've when
39:06
Speaker 1: you do a mock draft, you always preface it by saying, hey,
39:08
Speaker 1: this is not necessarily trying to guess who. I don't
39:11
Speaker 1: care about that. So how do you what's the art
39:15
Speaker 1: yep of bringing analytics from your point of view into
39:19
Speaker 1: the draft analysis part? Yeah, so, especially like the first
39:23
Speaker 1: round is the first it's always funny because we only
39:26
Speaker 1: mock the first round, but we really should be mocking, Like, like,
39:29
Speaker 1: I care more about rounds two through four because that's
39:31
Speaker 1: like the meat and potatoes of your team, and if
39:33
Speaker 1: you can get that right, then you're great. So I
39:35
Speaker 1: think that like a lot of it is like who
39:37
Speaker 1: is this person? Everyone wants a comp everyone, everyone wants
39:40
Speaker 1: like you are the next book like, but that's not
39:42
Speaker 1: really what's impactful. What's more interesting is more like, okay,
39:46
Speaker 1: um on the Jags, he this guy who's let's call
39:50
Speaker 1: him a seven out of ten, right, but if he's
39:52
Speaker 1: a jack, then he's an eight. Wow, then we got
39:54
Speaker 1: good value there, Okay, rights, Right, So it's it's more
39:57
Speaker 1: about fit, and it's more obviously positional value matters a ton, right,
40:00
Speaker 1: but it's about it's about how the fit works and
40:03
Speaker 1: trying to say in this team, he will play the
40:06
Speaker 1: X roll whatever. You know what I'm saying, Like, he's
40:08
Speaker 1: out the true outside whatever receiver. That's not gonna be
40:11
Speaker 1: who you draft, but you know what I'm saying there,
40:13
Speaker 1: you go give her a follow on Twitter at see Freeland.
40:15
Speaker 1: If less you're evn Ingram and then you're you're here,
40:18
Speaker 1: you'll get paid somewhere else. Let the right come on back, Evan,
40:22
Speaker 1: come back. Things are trending the right direction, sith you,
40:25
Speaker 1: that's what's going on. I'm trying to I'm trying. I'm
40:27
Speaker 1: trying to get you. I'm trying to get you like
40:30
Speaker 1: like even more good players. I'm not saying he's I'm
40:33
Speaker 1: just saying, like you could get a lot. There's there's
40:37
Speaker 1: only two hundred and twenty eight point four million or
40:39
Speaker 1: two hundred twenty four point eight we like you gotta
40:41
Speaker 1: you gotta figure out where to spend. Wisely, you don't
40:43
Speaker 1: always get to this rookie quarterback contract. You're gonna have
40:47
Speaker 1: to pay that one that's coming soon. I know you
40:49
Speaker 1: better pay it sooner than later. Correct, be smart to
40:52
Speaker 1: pay it. Figure it out now, you know what I mean,
40:54
Speaker 1: Like figure out how to There's a lot of some
40:57
Speaker 1: money in the piggy bank for the rainy day coming up,
41:00
Speaker 1: I guess Cynthia, thanks for the time we're having to
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Speaker 1: enjoy your work. Yeah, anytime, truly, NFL Media, We're back
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Speaker 1: dot com and Welcome back to Indianapolis. Inside the Indiana
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Speaker 1: Cynthia Freeland Judy Bautista earlier in the show. The analytics
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Speaker 1: conversation with Cynthia is always fascinating to hear her work
43:18
Speaker 1: on the air and to get to converse with her
43:21
Speaker 1: here and get inside that head a little bit. That
43:23
Speaker 1: is it's a different place, but it's where the league
43:26
Speaker 1: is right now. That's where it's going to stay for
43:28
Speaker 1: a long time. Yeah. She has a great job of
43:31
Speaker 1: taking something that is very numbers based, which can be
43:35
Speaker 1: tough to talk about, and make it interesting frankly, and
43:40
Speaker 1: make it understandable. And I've always thought she has a
43:42
Speaker 1: great job whither I was glad to have run the
43:44
Speaker 1: show all right. So the rest of the week here
43:45
Speaker 1: at the combine, the prospects are rolling through a day
43:50
Speaker 1: or so before they go on the field tomorrow. I
43:52
Speaker 1: think the defensive lineman, linebackers are out there. They were
43:54
Speaker 1: at the podium earlier today. That's the last wave I
43:57
Speaker 1: believe of coaches and gms today as well, and then
44:01
Speaker 1: it's week kid. Use. The testing continues and we'll be
44:06
Speaker 1: out of here on Friday. Our coverage will continue tomorrow
44:09
Speaker 1: of Jack's Happy Hour on radio at four o'clock from
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Speaker 1: this table right here in this convention center tomorrow and
44:16
Speaker 1: wrap up the week here in Indy. Yeah, a couple
44:18
Speaker 1: of stories coming up on Jaguars dot Com. Doug Peterson
44:22
Speaker 1: talked up things yesterday. They were interesting to me, and
44:24
Speaker 1: so did Trent. How they're going to use the running
44:26
Speaker 1: backs next season. I think Doug wants more out of
44:30
Speaker 1: that position. Not a knock on a specific player, but
44:34
Speaker 1: I think he wants the offense to gain more from
44:37
Speaker 1: that position, and I think he sees ways that he
44:40
Speaker 1: can get more out of that position, and certainly have
44:43
Speaker 1: a story on his thoughts on Trevor Lawrence and how
44:46
Speaker 1: he will look as he develops going forward. So looking
44:48
Speaker 1: forward to those. It's a lot coming up thanks to
44:50
Speaker 1: our entire crew here in Indy and back in Jacksonville,
44:53
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