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The Kenny Report | 18 September · The Kenny Report

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Speaker 1: Line from the Skoing New Center. This is the Kenny Report.
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Speaker 2: Thanks for joining me tonight Labor doubles down on its
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Speaker 2: net zero folly and its energy self harm. We know
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Speaker 2: it'll do nothing for the climate, but how much will
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Speaker 2: it cost? Liberal Senator Sarah Henderson joins me, And what
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Speaker 2: about the Albernezi government's foreign policy disasters? Have they lost
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Speaker 2: out to China in the South Pacific. I'll talk to
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Speaker 2: Alexander Downer. I'll also cross to Israel to get the
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Speaker 2: latest on the incursion into Gaza City and those genocide
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Speaker 2: claims from Deputy Foreign Minister Sharon Haskell.
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Speaker 1: And we'll lighten it up with Robbo and the footy finals.
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Speaker 2: Then Tim Blair and Mark Nicholson on the Chinese threat
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Speaker 2: within our cars and our electronics.
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Speaker 1: Let's get into it.
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Speaker 2: I wish I could take today's big climate and energy
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Speaker 2: announcement seriously.
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Speaker 1: It is dominating the.
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Speaker 2: News, but this stuff is us nuts, just more national
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Speaker 2: self harm. The Albanezy government has announced its emissions reduction
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Speaker 2: target for twenty thirty five. We've gone from six hundred
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Speaker 2: and ten million tons a year of emissions twenty years
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Speaker 2: ago to about four hundred and forty million tons this
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Speaker 2: year and then by twenty thirty five, the plan is
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Speaker 2: for the emissions to be about two hundred and twenty
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Speaker 2: million tons or less. Now, just to put that into perspective,
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Speaker 2: current global annual emissions are more than thirty eight thousand
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Speaker 2: million tons and are growing by far more than Australia's
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Speaker 2: total emissions every year. So whatever we do, no matter
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Speaker 2: how much it costs us, it's doing nothing to improve
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Speaker 2: the climate. That's just the facts, that's just the science.
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Speaker 2: If increased emissions are cooking the planet, Australia is not
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Speaker 2: stopping that.
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Speaker 1: Australia can't.
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Speaker 2: But that doesn't stop our Labor government and their Greens
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Speaker 2: and Tills comrades from pretending.
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Speaker 3: Today I announced that we have accepted their advice at
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Speaker 3: Australia's twenty thirty five emissions target be sixty two to
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Speaker 3: seventy percent.
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Speaker 4: This is a responsible target, back.
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Speaker 3: By the science, back by a practical plan to get
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Speaker 3: there and built on proven technology. So right target to
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Speaker 3: protect our environment.
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Speaker 1: That's nonsense.
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Speaker 2: Of course, it can and will do nothing to protect
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Speaker 2: the environment. Global emissions will continue to rise, so the
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Speaker 2: emissions cuts announced by the government today cannot and will
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Speaker 2: not have any impact on the climate. That's the science,
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Speaker 2: as I keep saying. But these people are science deniers.
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Speaker 2: They preach fear and alarmism about.
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Speaker 1: What might happen to the climate.
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Speaker 2: They pretend it's already happening, and they use that fear
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Speaker 2: to convince you that their emissions reductions policies are needed.
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Speaker 2: And they lie every day by telling you that these
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Speaker 2: policies will change the weather.
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Speaker 1: What absolute rot.
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Speaker 2: There were some numbers today that were worth listening to.
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Speaker 3: Here they are Today we're announcing two billion dollars for
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Speaker 3: the Clean Energy Finance Corporation to continue to drive downward
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Speaker 3: pressure on electricity prices. Five billion dollar fund within the
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Speaker 3: National Reconstruction Fund were announced yesterday, of course, one point
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Speaker 3: one billion dollars to encourage more production of clean fuels
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Speaker 3: in Australia.
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Speaker 4: And today we're further announcing forty million.
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Speaker 3: Dollars to accelerate the roll out of curbside and fast
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Speaker 3: ev charging.
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Speaker 2: Yeah, the millions and the billions they just keep rolling out,
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Speaker 2: don't they.
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Speaker 1: Just another eight.
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Speaker 2: Billion or so dollars handed out today, taking the total
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Speaker 2: spend on emission's reduction so far in this country to
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Speaker 2: at least one hundred and fifty billion dollars, with a
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Speaker 2: total of six hundred billion or perhaps a trillion dollars
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Speaker 2: by the time all this is done. And for what, well,
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Speaker 2: for nothing really unless you believe a baseless scare campaign.
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Speaker 2: The government's report says without change, extreme weather could shrink
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Speaker 2: our economy by fourteen percent or cost each of us
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Speaker 2: about seven thousand dollars a year, or perhaps not.
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Speaker 5: So.
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Speaker 1: Their argument goes, we just have to do this.
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Speaker 3: What we know is if we don't act, there will
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Speaker 3: be a cost of the economy, as the Treasurer has outlined,
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Speaker 3: there'll be lower wages, lower growth, less jobs. And we
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Speaker 3: know that it is in Australia's interest to have an
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Speaker 3: orderly transition.
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Speaker 4: That is what we intend to do, thank you very much.
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Speaker 2: Yes, so we'll have lower higher costs and fewer jobs.
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Speaker 2: All that now, so that we don't have lower jobs
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Speaker 2: and lower wages in the future.
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Speaker 1: And it's just madness. It does not stack up.
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Speaker 2: Our action changes nothing, but they pretend it'll change.
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Speaker 1: The global climate.
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Speaker 2: In fact, the former New South Wales Liberal Treasurer, who's
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Speaker 2: now on board as Labour's climate guru, he reckons it'll
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Speaker 2: turn us into the land of milk and honey.
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Speaker 6: Opportunity for our people, for our farmers, for our businesses,
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Speaker 6: for our regions, for our cities, and for our economy.
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Speaker 6: And secondly, delivering a cleaner, safer and better world for
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Speaker 6: future generations of Australians.
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Speaker 2: Bringing on, Hey, we're all going to get some fairies
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Speaker 2: in the bottom of our gardens too, I reckon.
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Speaker 1: Apparently we're very.
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Speaker 2: Lucky because we have sunshine and air that moves.
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Speaker 4: We have an abundance of solar and wind above the ground.
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Speaker 3: And a periodic table of critical minerals the ground.
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Speaker 7: Yeah.
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Speaker 2: Here we were thinking that centuries of innovation and technology
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Speaker 2: on the back of cheap and reliable energy had delivered
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Speaker 2: us housing and road, transport and heating and cooling and
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Speaker 2: creature comforts and refrigeration, medical care, industry, agriculture, air travel communications.
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Speaker 2: But apparently the real bonus was staring us in the
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Speaker 2: face all along.
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Speaker 1: We've got sun and wind.
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Speaker 2: And as for those minerals in the ground, well, if
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Speaker 2: only we had machinery to get them out of the
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Speaker 2: ground and process and smelt them without burning any fossil fuels,
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Speaker 2: that'd be handy. But just in case, you see through
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Speaker 2: the government spin and you know that China, India, Indonesia,
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Speaker 2: the US and other countries are not doing what we're doing. Well,
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Speaker 2: the PM had this for you.
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Speaker 3: Amount of wind and solar power under construction in China
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Speaker 3: is now nearly twice as much as.
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Speaker 4: The rest of the world combined. Just a fun fact there.
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Speaker 3: We are part of what is a global transformation that
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Speaker 3: is occurring.
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Speaker 2: Oh great, it's all okay because apart from selling us
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Speaker 2: the wind turbines and the solar panels and the batteries.
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Speaker 1: China is using them too.
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Speaker 2: Except China is also building three hundred new coal fired generators.
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Speaker 1: Yeah, that's right.
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Speaker 2: Instead of condemning itself to expensive and unreliable energy, China
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Speaker 2: is building another three hundred coal fired generators. China will
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Speaker 2: burn more coal in twenty thirty than it burns today.
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Speaker 1: You'll have a lot more renewable.
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Speaker 2: Sure, but it'll have much more coal fired generation too.
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Speaker 2: Oh and that means, of course it'll have more emissions,
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Speaker 2: and its emissions growth. The extra emissions to come from
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Speaker 2: China will more than make up many times make up
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Speaker 2: for the cuts that Australia has just promised to deliver.
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Speaker 2: Even the government's reported its global emissions are yet to pick.
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Speaker 2: They're still rising. So despite all the billions of Australian
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Speaker 2: dollars spent, and all the power bill rises and all
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Speaker 2: the spending to come, the climate will not be any
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Speaker 2: better or worse than it was going to be anyway.
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Speaker 2: We will just be poorer, all pain, no gain. What
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Speaker 2: will it take to bring an end to this madness?
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Speaker 2: While the alban easy labor government has been busy pretending
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Speaker 2: it can change the global climate, and the Prime Minister
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Speaker 2: and his Foreign Minister, Penny Wong have been pretending they
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Speaker 2: can resolve the conflict in the Middle East, they've had
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Speaker 2: much less focus and much less success in their own region,
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Speaker 2: in their own backyard in the South Pacific, Australia's diplomacy matters.
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Speaker 2: As the largest, richest and most powerful nation in the
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Speaker 2: region and a former colonial power, we are a major
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Speaker 2: player in the Pacific, well we used to be. With
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Speaker 2: China increasingly trying to exert its influence in the region,
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Speaker 2: seeking to undermine the influence of Australia and the United States,
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Speaker 2: our foreign policy has been challenged, or more to the point,
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Speaker 2: we've been caught napping Albanize's rebuff on a security agreement
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Speaker 2: with Vanuatu last week, and his failure to get signatures
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Speaker 2: on a defense treaty with the second largest Pacific nation
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Speaker 2: after Australia, Papu New Guinea this week. These are major
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Speaker 2: embarrassments and they are worrying developments. Albanezy initially said the
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Speaker 2: wrangling over the PNG treaty was nothing to be worried about.
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Speaker 4: They're all life celebrating, that's the thing.
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Speaker 3: They all went to their respective homelands and so they
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Speaker 3: didn't have korum at the cabinet meeting and that's understandable.
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Speaker 2: A little patronizing, no next to we joking about water
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Speaker 2: lapping at their islands. Then yesterday the PM realized he
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Speaker 2: wasn't going to get his deal, but he still dismissed
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Speaker 2: the concerns.
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Speaker 3: Processes are important and sovereignty is important, and we respected and.
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Speaker 1: Papua New Guinea.
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Speaker 3: As we'll go through its cabinet processes. But we have
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Speaker 3: been agreed on the words in this treaty.
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Speaker 2: If the PNG and Vanuatu agreements don't go ahead, if
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Speaker 2: they fail permanently, if the situation can't be retrieved, this
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Speaker 2: will be a foreign policy disaster for our country. It
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Speaker 2: will mean Australia is shut out and China is filling
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Speaker 2: the void in our backyard. Ask yourself what the media
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Speaker 2: and political response would be if a coalition prime minister
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Speaker 2: had gone to the region twice in two weeks and
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Speaker 2: had initiatives rejected like this, The camera press gallery would
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Speaker 2: have said they were hopeless. They would have been in
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Speaker 2: a fever, and they would have been saying they were
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Speaker 2: shunned by their neighbors, and Labor would have said the
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Speaker 2: coalition was jeopardizing regional security. We know that, but so
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Speaker 2: far most of the media commentary has been pretty mild
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Speaker 2: for Albanesi and Wong.
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Speaker 8: Prime Minister Anthony Alberzi has suffered another diplomatic stambul in
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Speaker 8: the Pacific after failing to seal a major defense treaty
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Speaker 8: with Papulo Guini.
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Speaker 9: In the strategic contest with China not signing a deal
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Speaker 9: with PNG as a setback for sure.
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Speaker 10: His P and G meetings not going to plan the
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Speaker 10: mutual defense pack delayed awaiting final approval by P and
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Speaker 10: g's cabinet.
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Speaker 11: The landmark Pook Pook defense treaty agreed to in principle,
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Speaker 11: yet to be approved by P and g's cabinet. The
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Speaker 11: holder attributed to independence celebrations.
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Speaker 2: This is more than a hold up or a setback.
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Speaker 2: This is not just things not going to plan or
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Speaker 2: a stumble. This is the most serious crisis point in
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Speaker 2: Australia's specific affairs for decades. These agreements simply must be rescued.
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Speaker 2: There is no alternative, and once that's done, the government
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Speaker 2: will have to work extra hard to recover from this
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Speaker 2: setback and make sure the deals are implemented effectively. Make
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Speaker 2: no mistake, these agreements are about embedding Australian security interests
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Speaker 2: in the region, protecting freedom and democracy in our region,
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Speaker 2: and holding the expansionist interventions of the Chinese communist.
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Speaker 1: Power at bay.
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Speaker 2: And while all this is going on, Albanizi's labor colleague,
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Speaker 2: Victorian Premier Jacinta Allen, is spending almost as much time
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Speaker 2: in China as Albo himself did earlier this year, ingratiating
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Speaker 2: herself and talking up cooperation with China and even Chinese
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Speaker 2: investment in Victorian infrastructure.
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Speaker 12: It's so important to the future of our city and
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Speaker 12: state that we have even stronger relationships with our number
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Speaker 12: one trading partner. It's about jobs, it's about supporting our
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Speaker 12: way of life. And also, as we've seen this week,
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Speaker 12: Victoria has been welcomed with open arms, whether it's here
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Speaker 12: in Shanghai, in Beijing, in Nanjing. We're about to head
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Speaker 12: off to Chendu. We've got two sister state relationships. We're
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Speaker 12: the only state to do so with Jungsu and Sichuan.
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Speaker 12: They're big parts of the Chinese economy, but they're also
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Speaker 12: big parts of Victoria's community. Because so many people from
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Speaker 12: those provinces have chosen Melbourne and Victoria as their home.
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Speaker 2: Maybe alb and Easy will need to strike a security
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Speaker 2: agreement with Victoria too, just to make sure China doesn't
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Speaker 2: gain too much influence there either. Let's now catch up
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Speaker 2: with the liberal senator for Victoria, Sarah Henderson, who joins
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Speaker 2: us from that great state from Melbourne. Indeed, good to
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Speaker 2: talk to you again, Sarah. This new target for twenty
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Speaker 2: thirty five, what will it cost the country to get
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Speaker 2: to sixty two to seventy percent emissions reductions by twenty
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Speaker 2: thirty five?
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Speaker 13: Well, Chris, good evening, And as you have so clearly
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Speaker 13: articulated in your editorial, the cost is unknown. But also frankly,
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Speaker 13: the cost of this whole scheme Labour's renewables. Recklessness is
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Speaker 13: frankly driving our nation off a cliff. We have seen
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Speaker 13: in the last three years missions have flatlined and yet
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Speaker 13: power prices have gone through the roof. Labor will not
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Speaker 13: accept that its entire approach to energy policy is failing.
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Speaker 13: Our country is failing, householders is failing, industry is failing manufacturers,
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Speaker 13: and we've got to get off this ship which is
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Speaker 13: sinking very very fast.
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Speaker 2: Well, the government handed out another eight billion dollars today
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Speaker 2: and combine that with totals that I've had the assistance
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Speaker 2: of artificial intelligence to generate. That takes the total spend
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Speaker 2: in Australia to reduce emissions to at least one hundred
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Speaker 2: and fifty billion dollars so far, with hundreds of billions
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Speaker 2: more to come.
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Speaker 1: In all the documents and.
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Speaker 2: Detail they put out today behind their announcement, Labor hasn't
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Speaker 2: actually given us a cost. They tell us the cost
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Speaker 2: of inaction is always going to be more than the
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Speaker 2: cost of their action, but they won't tell us what
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Speaker 2: the cost of their action is.
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Speaker 13: Well, Chris, that is because they're embedding a number of
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Speaker 13: separate secret carbon taxes into the economy, a tax on industry,
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Speaker 13: a tax on electricity at tax on farmers, and frankly,
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Speaker 13: it is as you say, involving billions.
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Speaker 14: And billions of dollars.
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Speaker 13: We have got a twenty eight percent reduction in emissions
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Speaker 13: right now that was achieved under the coalition. Nothing has
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Speaker 13: happened in the last three years. It's nonsensical that we
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Speaker 13: could get to forty three percent by twenty thirty.
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Speaker 14: And it's just la la land stuff.
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Speaker 13: That we could pretend to get to sixty two to
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Speaker 13: seventy percent.
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Speaker 14: The cost to our nation is far too high.
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Speaker 13: This is an utter embarrassment, and that's why we've got
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Speaker 13: to turn our back on these ridiculous policies.
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Speaker 2: Yet in the detail, buried away in the detail of
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Speaker 2: these reports is a claim that our electricity prices over
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Speaker 2: the decade could come down by thirteen percent, that house
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Speaker 2: sold electricity bills might go down.
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Speaker 1: By one thousand dollars.
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Speaker 2: They've gone up by about a thing thousand dollars over
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Speaker 2: the past year or so, the past three years. Sorry,
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Speaker 2: but I reckon they might come down one thousand dollars.
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Speaker 2: Is there anything in these policies that suggests this could
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Speaker 2: be true?
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Speaker 13: Chris know there's not, and we can only see from
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Speaker 13: the last three years that Labour went to the election
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Speaker 13: up to twenty twenty two, promising a two hundred and
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Speaker 13: seventy five reduction in every person's electricity bill by twenty
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Speaker 13: twenty five. Now, of course we've seen this massive increase
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Speaker 13: in power they are lying to Australians. These are lies, Chris,
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Speaker 13: pure and simple. This is costing US billions and billions
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Speaker 13: of dollars. It's a complete fraud what the Labor Party
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Speaker 13: is telling the Australian people. And that's why I'm so
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Speaker 13: pleased that, of course Susan Lee has made it very
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Speaker 13: clear we reject this horrendous target which impacts every single Australian,
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Speaker 13: from farmers to manufacturers to householders and frankly, the whole
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Speaker 13: thing has become an utter joke. Of course, we want
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Speaker 13: to see emissions come down, we want to encourage investment
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Speaker 13: in clean energy technologies, but the cost of these targets.
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Speaker 14: Is way too high. We must reject them along.
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Speaker 13: Of course, with the rejection of nets zero as a
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Speaker 13: mandated target.
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Speaker 14: Sure, let's have the aspiration if.
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Speaker 13: Those who want to want to go down that road,
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Speaker 13: but to mandate this under law and impose these massive
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Speaker 13: hidden carbon taxes on our country is just completely untenable.
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Speaker 2: It's so foolish to be in a hurry given where
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Speaker 2: one percent or less of global emissions. Global emissions are
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Speaker 2: still rising, so whatever we're doing is having no impact
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Speaker 2: on the climate. So why would we inflict economic harm
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Speaker 2: on ourselves for nothing but a vanity project, for nothing
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Speaker 2: but an electoral slogan.
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Speaker 1: It does my head in. I want to show you
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Speaker 1: something that was.
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Speaker 2: Said today by the government's new climate guru, the former
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Speaker 2: Liberal Treasurer of New South Wales, Matt Kean. Here's one
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Speaker 2: of his comments at the announcement today.
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Speaker 6: We have recommended a target of sixty two to seventy percent.
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Speaker 6: Not only will that hand our planet to our kids
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Speaker 6: better than we found it, but it will do so
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Speaker 6: in a way that grows our economic prosperity.
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Speaker 1: There's the twin lies there, Sarah Henderson.
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Speaker 2: One he says is this will improve the planet now
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Speaker 2: we know whatever cuts happened in Australia will not change
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Speaker 2: the climate. And secondly he says it's going to be
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Speaker 2: great for the economy. That I've been telling us this
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Speaker 2: for two decades and all we've seen is economic pain.
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Speaker 2: But isn't it time for the coalition to address the reality.
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Speaker 1: Sure, we all want the planet to be healthy, we
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Speaker 1: all want to.
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Speaker 2: Eventually minimize emissions, but to pretend that what we're doing
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Speaker 2: now has any impact on the climate is an absolute fallacy.
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Speaker 13: Chris, this is an act of extraordinary economic harm on
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Speaker 13: every single Australian underpin by just lie after a lie
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Speaker 13: after lie from labor. We know this is not working.
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Speaker 13: This is a disaster for our country. And as we know,
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Speaker 13: there are particular sectors which are really.
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Speaker 14: Paying the price.
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Speaker 13: Farmers, manufacturers, regional communities.
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Speaker 14: It's just a load of rubbish. What is happening. Sure,
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Speaker 14: we all want to play our part.
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Speaker 13: We want to give companies the opportunity to invest in
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Speaker 13: clean technologies if that's their wish, but we are not
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Speaker 13: going to send our country off an economic cliff. We
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Speaker 13: are playing a very responsible part in luring emissions. We're responsible, frankly,
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Speaker 13: for only one point one percent of global emissions. When
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Speaker 13: you consider China, India and the United States, they are
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Speaker 13: responsible for more than fifty percent of the world's emissions.
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Speaker 13: So anything we do makes no impact anywhere else. The
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Speaker 13: whole thing is an utter joke, and that's why I
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Speaker 13: really do think that we have got to reject these
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Speaker 13: targets and a mandated net zero by twenty fifty.
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Speaker 14: Got to do that very very quickly.
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Speaker 1: Yeah, get rid of that mandated target. I agree with you.
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Speaker 1: Let's see where the liberals land on that in the end.
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Speaker 2: Thanks for joining us, Sarah, I appreciate it, Sarah Henderson,
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Speaker 2: their liberal senator Thor Victoria that went across to Israel
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Speaker 2: in a moment. But I just want to set up
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Speaker 2: the conversation by referring back to that Israeli attack on
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Speaker 2: Hamas operatives in Qatar, going back a couple of weeks
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Speaker 2: ago at a un body, the usual groups were lining
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Speaker 2: up to attack Israel over that particular offensive. And a
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Speaker 2: good friend of this program, some of have interviewed a
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Speaker 2: couple of.
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Speaker 1: Times, HELLEL. Noyer from un Watch.
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Speaker 2: Well, he got to have his say at this forum
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Speaker 2: and he had some questions for Qatar.
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Speaker 15: We have heard a lot about international law from the
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Speaker 15: world's worst violaders of international law. It's time to challenge
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Speaker 15: the perpetrators. And so we ask Katar, if you don't
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Speaker 15: want targeted bombings against terrorists in your capital, why do
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Speaker 15: you harbor terrorists in your capital? Terrorists who are still
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Speaker 15: holding hostages, torture them and rejecting peace deals. Why did
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Speaker 15: you back Hamasa's Gazaku in two thousand and seven. Why
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Speaker 15: have you funneled billions since then, fueling their terror machine,
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Speaker 15: empowering their five wars against Israel? Why did you blame
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Speaker 15: Israel for October seventh absolving Hamas of massacring twelve hundred
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Speaker 15: Israeli's Americans and others. Why do you act as a
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Speaker 15: mediator by day and a terror sponsor by night.
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Speaker 2: Let's go to Israel now and catch up with Sharon Haskell,
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Speaker 2: who's Israel's Deputy Minister for Foreign Affairs.
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Speaker 1: Good to talk to you again, Sharon.
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Speaker 2: I just want to start on those comments from Hillel Noya,
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Speaker 2: and he makes such strong points about the double dealing
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Speaker 2: of Qatar when it comes to being a negotiator while
22:41
Speaker 2: it supports and funds terrorism and apart from attacking those
22:45
Speaker 2: Hamas leaders in Qatar, this is what your government, what
22:50
Speaker 2: Israel has called out. Now right, you're presumably no longer
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Speaker 2: willing to put up with the double dealing we've seen
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Speaker 2: from Qatar.
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Speaker 7: Yeah, no, it's very clear. As long as Qatar is
23:03
Speaker 7: harboring the leadership of the perpetrator of the seventh of
23:08
Speaker 7: October massacre, the worst, the worst massacre of Jews since
23:12
Speaker 7: the Holocaust.
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Speaker 16: Who refuse to end this war, who refuse any ceasefire
23:20
Speaker 16: proposal that was on the table, who continue to attack
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Speaker 16: Israel during these days, during these months, with rockets, with terrorists,
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Speaker 16: wherever their leadership is, we will find them and come
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Speaker 16: into account with them. And it doesn't matter whether they're
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Speaker 16: in Qatar or anywhere else. And I have to say
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Speaker 16: Lel Nuer is spot on. The UN has been used
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Speaker 16: since the beginning of the war as a political tool
23:50
Speaker 16: in the hands of hamas in the hands of Iran.
23:53
Speaker 16: Let me remind you, no one now made any condemnations
23:58
Speaker 16: or that remarks about killing or somea bin laden in Pakistan.
24:03
Speaker 16: What about when Iran attacked Katar? What did the Arab
24:08
Speaker 16: League did then? What did the UN did then? So
24:12
Speaker 16: that double standard for us, it's absolutely unacceptable.
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Speaker 14: The hypocrisy of the.
24:17
Speaker 16: UN have went into a different level during the last
24:21
Speaker 16: two years as well.
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Speaker 1: Well.
24:23
Speaker 2: Speaking about the UN, the latest report from the UN
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Speaker 2: accuses Israel again makes a finding of genocide against Israel.
24:32
Speaker 2: It says that Israel is trying to kill as many
24:36
Speaker 2: Palestinians as it can. I mean, I just think any
24:39
Speaker 2: logical observer from around the world sees that as nonsensical.
24:43
Speaker 2: Because of the military power you have and over the
24:47
Speaker 2: past twenty three months, the relatively small number of casualties. Now,
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Speaker 2: what's your response to the legalistic charge of genocide?
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Speaker 16: Well, it's absolutely ridiculous, and I refuse to accept anything
25:05
Speaker 16: in this report. Look, these three individuals who came together
25:12
Speaker 16: and fabricated this report actually resigned from the UN in July.
25:17
Speaker 16: Why didn't they published it beforehand? Why was it so
25:21
Speaker 16: important for them to publish it months after they resign
25:26
Speaker 16: their position?
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Speaker 1: You know, refuse.
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Speaker 2: It's very hard for people to ascertain the clear facts
25:35
Speaker 2: in Gaza, of course, because all the information coming out
25:38
Speaker 2: of there is filtered by Hamas and you won't allow
25:41
Speaker 2: independent journalists just to go in there. So what do
25:45
Speaker 2: you say, What are the figures from your government?
25:48
Speaker 1: What is the toll?
25:49
Speaker 2: How many people have died in Gaza in this war
25:53
Speaker 2: over the past twenty three months, and how many of
25:56
Speaker 2: them are civilians?
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Speaker 16: Look, the first thing in regards to the ones who
26:03
Speaker 16: have fabricated this report, and that's very important to understand
26:06
Speaker 16: that throughout the years, and you can go through their
26:08
Speaker 16: social media, they've been pro Palestinian activists, you know. They
26:15
Speaker 16: one of the chairmen or the leader of this group
26:18
Speaker 16: have had anti Semitic comments on his social media as
26:22
Speaker 16: well that the UN had to apologize for, as the
26:26
Speaker 16: Jews are the one who are controlling the media and
26:28
Speaker 16: other you know, live blood libels and and and remarks
26:33
Speaker 16: like that. As you know, look, the war in Gaza
26:36
Speaker 16: is extremely complicated and the accuracy of the numbers and
26:42
Speaker 16: other research centers who have proved that COMMAS is actually
26:46
Speaker 16: inflating a lot of these numbers. The reason why Israel
26:51
Speaker 16: also doesn't have the exact or the accurate number, but
26:55
Speaker 16: does have some numbers about the terrorists, it is because
26:59
Speaker 16: we do not target civilians. When there are civilian casualties
27:06
Speaker 16: in almost all cases, it's been a mistake. It's heartbreaking,
27:10
Speaker 16: and it's a tragedy, and you know, every life lost
27:14
Speaker 16: is a tragedy, and I can relate to that. But
27:19
Speaker 16: the fact is that Israel does not target civilian We
27:25
Speaker 16: target Ramas leadership, Ramas operative and unfortunately, this terrorist organization
27:31
Speaker 16: has shield itself behind civilians and we're doing everything to
27:36
Speaker 16: try and avoid it. Look now, for two weeks, more
27:40
Speaker 16: than two weeks, we've been asking civilians in Gaza to
27:45
Speaker 16: evacuate from two areas that the idea of need to
27:48
Speaker 16: enter to fight Ramas. For two weeks, some people have
27:52
Speaker 16: been evacuated, but some people have been held by a
27:55
Speaker 16: gun by Hamas to stay there as a shield.
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Speaker 2: It's till just before we let you go. It's a
28:04
Speaker 2: shocking situation. Just before we let you go. Then just
28:06
Speaker 2: give us an update on that that Gaza city incursion.
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Speaker 2: What's the lightest on the military operation then.
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Speaker 16: So, because we've seen there's a lot of pressure. After
28:18
Speaker 16: we've destroyed two of fromas you know, bases and places
28:22
Speaker 16: where they operate from, there was a big line of civilians,
28:27
Speaker 16: Gars and civilians who started really evacuating those areas. It
28:32
Speaker 16: actually created a lot of you know, a massive amount
28:36
Speaker 16: of jamming the whole road. And so yesterday Israel opened
28:40
Speaker 16: a second route for more civilians to evacuate so they
28:44
Speaker 16: won't be you know, like a traffic gem stuck along
28:48
Speaker 16: the way. We've given them another forty eight hours to
28:51
Speaker 16: evacuate through the other line as well.
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Speaker 14: And we see them moving on.
28:55
Speaker 16: I believe that pretty soon we will need to start
28:58
Speaker 16: operate in those areas against ramas, but as I told you,
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Speaker 16: we try to make sure that there's the least civilian casualty.
29:05
Speaker 16: We've given them warning. It's almost three weeks now, and
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Speaker 16: I hope that during the next forty eight hours most
29:11
Speaker 16: of them will be evacuated.
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Speaker 2: Sharon Haskell, thanks so much for finding your time to
29:16
Speaker 2: speak to us again.
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Speaker 14: Thank you very much. It's a pleasure.
29:20
Speaker 2: Sharon Haskell there, who's the Deputy Foreign Minister of Israel.
29:24
Speaker 2: We're going to get to a break on the other side.
29:25
Speaker 2: We're going to come back to the Albanesi government's foreign
29:27
Speaker 2: policy disasters, them losing out south to China and the
29:31
Speaker 2: South Pacific. I going to catch up with Australia's former
29:34
Speaker 2: Foreign Minister Alexander DOWNA past couple of weeks have been
29:42
Speaker 2: a shocker for both Anthony Alberanezi and Penny One when
29:45
Speaker 2: it comes to South Pacific diplomacy. First, the PM went
29:47
Speaker 2: to Vanuatu trumpeting a security deal and it fell over
29:51
Speaker 2: because they're keen to keep channels open with China. And
29:54
Speaker 2: this week he went to p andng to side a
29:57
Speaker 2: defense treaty. Now that's stalled, and they're also talking with China.
30:01
Speaker 2: I asked Australia's longest serving Foreign Minister, Alexander Downer for
30:05
Speaker 2: his assessment of these events.
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Speaker 9: Well, it's obviously a matter of deep embarrassment for Australia
30:13
Speaker 9: because in both cases the government was right. These are
30:16
Speaker 9: sensible things to do with Vanuatu and Papua New Guinea.
30:21
Speaker 9: But I can tell you from a lot of experience
30:24
Speaker 9: it's not easy to pull off something like that. They
30:27
Speaker 9: need to invest much more time in personal diplomacy with
30:32
Speaker 9: Pacific leaders than.
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Speaker 4: They have done.
30:35
Speaker 9: I mean, they're very happy to talk about Palestine and
30:39
Speaker 9: have the occasional contact with the leader of the so
30:44
Speaker 9: called Palestinian authority, but they shouldn't be worrying about that
30:50
Speaker 9: because they can't have any impact on that. They need
30:54
Speaker 9: to invest their time in the Pacific and they just
30:57
Speaker 9: haven't done the homework. That's the problem.
31:00
Speaker 2: Well, it's not only solving the Middle East. They also
31:02
Speaker 2: want to save the planet. They're putting all the refort
31:05
Speaker 2: into these big things they actually can't influence. But they
31:08
Speaker 2: can't get a defense treaty right with Papua New Guinea now.
31:11
Speaker 2: Michael Schubridge said to us last night. It was the
31:14
Speaker 2: wrong timing to try to strike that deal. Because Papua
31:17
Speaker 2: New Guinea is celebrating its independence.
31:20
Speaker 1: Why would you try and muddy that with.
31:22
Speaker 2: A defense treaty that some see as undermining its independence.
31:25
Speaker 2: What's your thought on that that criticism.
31:28
Speaker 9: Well, it's a good point. I'm not sure about undermining
31:33
Speaker 9: their independence. But you need to socialize that kind of
31:38
Speaker 9: dramatic treaty with the political class and with the elites
31:43
Speaker 9: in Papua New Guinea, Whereas I mean, I don't know
31:47
Speaker 9: why it is that the Labor Party, always in opposition,
31:51
Speaker 9: talks about the importance of transparency, and when they're in
31:54
Speaker 9: government they always like to keep everything secret. I mean,
31:58
Speaker 9: you need to socialize these talk to people about it.
32:02
Speaker 9: So Michael Subridge is right, the timing is wrong and
32:07
Speaker 9: no socialization done at all, and they don't know the
32:10
Speaker 9: people well enough because they're concentrating on Palestine and changing
32:17
Speaker 9: the weather system.
32:19
Speaker 2: Here's what Anthony Ibanez he said about it in Papua
32:21
Speaker 2: New Guinea yesterday.
32:23
Speaker 3: Processes are important and sovereignty is important and we respect it.
32:28
Speaker 3: And Papua New Guinea, as we'll go through its cabinet processes.
32:34
Speaker 3: But we have been agreed on the words in this treaty.
32:40
Speaker 1: And all along.
32:41
Speaker 2: The not so invisible hand of China might be playing
32:43
Speaker 2: around in this. But I've seen some political reporting and
32:47
Speaker 2: commentary that suggests this is a bit of.
32:49
Speaker 1: A stumble, This is a hiccup.
32:51
Speaker 2: I mean, this is a massive embarrassment for Australia's diplomacy surely,
32:56
Speaker 2: And when you look at what else has been going
32:58
Speaker 2: on when it comes to the Victorian premiere in China,
33:02
Speaker 2: Anthony Albanesi's cowtailing to China, his difficulty in getting meetings
33:07
Speaker 2: with Donald Trump, how would you characterize the foreign policy
33:12
Speaker 2: success or otherwise of both Anthony Alberesi and Penny Wong
33:16
Speaker 2: so far.
33:18
Speaker 9: Well, let's face the first and foremost, it's chaotic. To
33:23
Speaker 9: have mishandled these relations with the Pacific is hugely embarrassing
33:29
Speaker 9: for Australia. This is a part of the world where
33:31
Speaker 9: we have not just a very heavy responsibility, but we
33:36
Speaker 9: have substantial soft and hard power. I mean, you know,
33:41
Speaker 9: we have very irrelevant to the Palestinians except for propaganda purposes,
33:47
Speaker 9: and they very successfully used to Australia. Hamas have used
33:51
Speaker 9: Australia to advance their propaganda. But when it comes to
33:57
Speaker 9: the Pacific, we really matter, and we've just embarrassed ourselves,
34:02
Speaker 9: Sir Elliot, it's humiliating. Maybe a couple in New Guinea
34:07
Speaker 9: will sign off on this treaty in the end, and
34:09
Speaker 9: I hope they do. I hope that China doesn't have
34:12
Speaker 9: the capacity to veto it. But let's be honest, we
34:16
Speaker 9: should be able to mount out maneuver China in the
34:19
Speaker 9: South Pacific, particularly in relation to Papua New Guinea, which,
34:26
Speaker 9: after all, as you say, was once an Australian colony.
34:30
Speaker 9: We should be able to outmaneuver China there pretty easily.
34:35
Speaker 9: But this has been very poorly handled. And beyond that,
34:39
Speaker 9: it's hard to know what the government has ever done
34:42
Speaker 9: in it's three and a half years in power.
34:45
Speaker 2: Let's go further afield and look at the pomp and
34:48
Speaker 2: circumstance that unfolded at Windsor Castle overnight and the Prince,
34:53
Speaker 2: Prince Charles, he's king, of course, King Charles King. Thanks
35:00
Speaker 2: for reminding me, My King Charles the Third had this
35:03
Speaker 2: to say.
35:03
Speaker 5: About Ucus tyranny once again threatens Europe.
35:08
Speaker 1: We and our allies.
35:10
Speaker 5: Stand together in support of Ukraine to the terror aggression
35:15
Speaker 5: and secure peace, and our August submarine partnership with Australia
35:21
Speaker 5: sets the benchmark for innovative and batal collaboration.
35:26
Speaker 2: Well, Anthony Alberezi hasn't been able to spook Aucus face
35:30
Speaker 2: to face with Donald Trump. So I was a good
35:31
Speaker 2: job the King did it.
35:34
Speaker 9: Oh, here's our head of state, so he's more senior
35:38
Speaker 9: than Albanezi, and he's done the right thing. But you know, seriously,
35:43
Speaker 9: he's done the right thing. He's tremendously helpful to us.
35:48
Speaker 9: Let's not underestimate this. It's tremendously helpful to us that
35:53
Speaker 9: the King should have made those remarks in front of
35:56
Speaker 9: President Trump. It makes it very, very difficult but President
36:02
Speaker 9: Trump to walk back from Aucus, not that I think
36:06
Speaker 9: for a moment he wants to. I don't think that's
36:08
Speaker 9: his intention. But in any case, the King having included
36:13
Speaker 9: that reference to Aucas is hugely helpful to us and
36:18
Speaker 9: much more important than anything Anthony Alberannezi has been able
36:23
Speaker 9: to do. So, thank goodness we have a king. So,
36:26
Speaker 9: thank goodness we have a king, not just the Prime Minister.
36:31
Speaker 1: I will continue that debate another time. I'm winding. You
36:35
Speaker 1: are you are indeed, you are.
36:36
Speaker 2: Indeed, on this occasion, our King has done a good
36:39
Speaker 2: thing for Australia.
36:41
Speaker 1: We'll see who we barracks for in the actions.
36:43
Speaker 2: Thanks for joining us, Alexander, A pleasure, as you might imagine.
36:50
Speaker 2: Alexander and I have debated the Republic versus the monarchy
36:54
Speaker 2: over a beer many.
36:55
Speaker 1: Many times over the years. We've got to take a
36:57
Speaker 1: break on the other side of that. Don't forget.
36:59
Speaker 2: We've got Tim Blair and Mark Nicholson coming up, but
37:02
Speaker 2: also Finals footy with Robbo.
37:04
Speaker 1: Don't go away.
37:09
Speaker 2: It's prelim final weekend for the AFL this weekend. My
37:13
Speaker 2: beloved Crows have gone out in straight sets, as some
37:15
Speaker 2: predicted and many of us feared, but the mighty double
37:19
Speaker 2: Blues in the s A NFL are in the Grand
37:21
Speaker 2: Final on Sunday.
37:22
Speaker 1: But let's stick to the AFL and catch up with
37:24
Speaker 1: Mark Robinson, who was the former chief footy writer for
37:26
Speaker 1: the Herald Son.
37:27
Speaker 2: Robbo, good to catch.
37:29
Speaker 1: Up with you.
37:29
Speaker 2: We'll get to the to the finals in a moment,
37:32
Speaker 2: but I wanted you to pick your brains first. Up
37:35
Speaker 2: on a big story in the AFL where the captain
37:38
Speaker 2: of Essendon, Zach Merritt, you know, great player, captain on
37:42
Speaker 2: a long term contract. He's looking at trying to shift clubs.
37:46
Speaker 2: The idea of loyalty to team and club and contract
37:51
Speaker 2: in the AFL seems to be going out of fashion.
37:55
Speaker 17: Yeah, you have to do increase loyalty.
37:58
Speaker 1: What a word it is.
37:58
Speaker 17: If I can swear too, she would made both people
38:01
Speaker 17: who have been slighted. It's always, oh, where's the loyalty?
38:05
Speaker 17: Where's the loyalty? Zack Merrit did twelve years, two hundred
38:08
Speaker 17: and fifty games at that club, and the club's been
38:12
Speaker 17: a very poor club for a long time. And at
38:15
Speaker 17: the moment they're self destructing. And there's so many layers
38:19
Speaker 17: to this story. Yes, he's captain, and that's an it's
38:23
Speaker 17: not a usual thing for a captain to walk out
38:25
Speaker 17: on a football club. As much as Edendon says they're
38:28
Speaker 17: not going to trade him, of course they're going to
38:30
Speaker 17: trade him. He doesn't want to be there. And again,
38:34
Speaker 17: there's so many layers to this. And this club is
38:37
Speaker 17: self destructing because this man who's adored by the fans,
38:41
Speaker 17: or was adored by the fans, the club is undermining
38:46
Speaker 17: his character. They're leaking to key journalists and painting. Zach
38:51
Speaker 17: Merritt is selfish, you know, had to run with the
38:55
Speaker 17: afl W program and to.
38:59
Speaker 1: Me, that's not right.
39:01
Speaker 17: This guy's got tremendous character, and I think as you're
39:04
Speaker 17: doing a bit of brand management here and instead of
39:07
Speaker 17: trashy Zach Merit's character, maybe the football club, the coach,
39:12
Speaker 17: the president, the chief executive on the board can actually
39:15
Speaker 17: ask themselves why are all these players wanting to leave
39:19
Speaker 17: this football club?
39:21
Speaker 2: Yeah, that's really ugly people briefing out against him.
39:25
Speaker 1: It's uglier and dirtier.
39:27
Speaker 2: Than federal politics if you start doing that to a bloke.
39:29
Speaker 2: But in the end, as you say, if a player
39:32
Speaker 2: doesn't want to be there, there's no point in keeping them.
39:34
Speaker 2: The club's going to try and maximize the trading and
39:37
Speaker 2: keep good players because he's.
39:38
Speaker 1: Not the only one going.
39:39
Speaker 2: I mean, happens to be the captain and probably the
39:41
Speaker 2: best player, but there's others.
39:43
Speaker 1: Going and a lot of movement around the place. Let's
39:45
Speaker 1: get to the games.
39:46
Speaker 2: The four teams left they've been the four teams that
39:49
Speaker 2: have dominated the last few decades, is going to be blockbusters.
39:53
Speaker 2: To have both prelims in Melbourne at the mcg on
39:56
Speaker 2: the weekend.
39:58
Speaker 17: Of course it's a blockbuster. And the fact these four
40:00
Speaker 17: teams are here again, that's another issue for the AFL,
40:03
Speaker 17: but we'll part that because the genuine excitement having these
40:08
Speaker 17: four teams playing at MCG. They'll get ninety thousand hopefully
40:12
Speaker 17: both games. Geelong, Geelong and Hawthorne.
40:16
Speaker 18: I mean Jeff Kenneth, Jeff can spending the news for
40:19
Speaker 18: a lot of things in the last thirty forty years,
40:22
Speaker 18: but one thing he put on the news in footy
40:25
Speaker 18: is when he delivered the Kenneth Curse, which was the
40:29
Speaker 18: backdrop for one of the most glorious, tense and most
40:36
Speaker 18: hateful rivalries between Hawthorne and Geelong, which last is probably
40:42
Speaker 18: twelve years.
40:42
Speaker 17: And the football was superb. They had high class players.
40:47
Speaker 17: They came back, They come back tomorrow night, the young,
40:50
Speaker 17: upsid Hawks against the well heeled, the well coached. Well,
40:55
Speaker 17: they're both well coached, but it's the professional organ nice
41:00
Speaker 17: Cats versus the chaotic, you know, spirited Hawks, and it's
41:06
Speaker 17: I mean, there's not a football person around who's not
41:09
Speaker 17: looking forward to this game.
41:10
Speaker 1: Oh I can't wait.
41:11
Speaker 2: I'll have the fire on and the bottle of red open.
41:13
Speaker 2: What about Saturday nights can the Brisbane Lions. They're sort
41:17
Speaker 2: of battered and bruised and missing Locky Neil. But can
41:20
Speaker 2: they can the reigning premiers get into another Grand Final?
41:25
Speaker 17: Sports an amazing pastime where people and players and teams.
41:32
Speaker 17: They get up against the odds and kind of one
41:34
Speaker 17: of the most experienced team in the competition. Everyone thought
41:37
Speaker 17: they're too well, too slow, and here they are Hemory
41:39
Speaker 17: finally again. They're a very very well organized team. The
41:45
Speaker 17: Lions backs against the wall a little bit.
41:48
Speaker 1: Haven't got Locky Neil?
41:49
Speaker 17: I lost the first final they won last week in
41:52
Speaker 17: e fhatic fashion. They come back to the mcg sport.
41:56
Speaker 18: They've done it, they know what to do. Will happen?
42:01
Speaker 1: I don't know, but.
42:02
Speaker 17: If bridge Fagan's men can get through to another Green Final,
42:07
Speaker 17: it will be a superb coaching performance with a team
42:12
Speaker 17: that is lost Joe.
42:13
Speaker 1: Danner who last.
42:14
Speaker 17: Year lost Lucky Neil two of the four of their
42:17
Speaker 17: best players. It'll be a tremendous effort.
42:21
Speaker 1: Just quickly, Robo, have you got a chip for the
42:23
Speaker 1: brownlow one man? Who do you reckon? We'll get it on.
42:25
Speaker 1: Nick Jacobs in daylight Wow? Interesting. Nick Dacos and the
42:29
Speaker 1: Inn Daylight. There's no doubt he's the favorite. Thanks for
42:31
Speaker 1: joining us, Robo. We'll catch up with you next week.
42:33
Speaker 2: I'm just hoping that Jordan Dawson might be the smoky
42:36
Speaker 2: when it comes to the Brown Law.
42:38
Speaker 1: Look. I'd love to talk about the NRL as well.
42:40
Speaker 2: I bumped into Andrew Joey John's at the airport the
42:43
Speaker 2: other day. He's a regular viewer of the program, so
42:46
Speaker 2: gooday to him if he's watching. We'd love to have
42:48
Speaker 2: him on the last two weeks of the finals if
42:50
Speaker 2: he wants to talk NRL if Channel nine will let him.
42:53
Speaker 2: But good luck to your team in the NRL this week,
42:55
Speaker 2: and as well, we're going to get to a break
42:57
Speaker 2: when I come back.
42:57
Speaker 1: Mark Pison and Tim Blair.
43:03
Speaker 2: Let's bring in Tim Blair from the Daily Telegraph and
43:06
Speaker 2: Mark Nicholson from step Mat Studios our National Cabinet every week. Jens,
43:11
Speaker 2: I want to play you a bit of a clip
43:12
Speaker 2: first to bring everybody in on a story that's getting
43:16
Speaker 2: around the place that there's all these Chinese equipment, including
43:19
Speaker 2: our cars, that Beijing just might be able to control
43:22
Speaker 2: to our detriment at some time.
43:24
Speaker 1: Have a look.
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Speaker 8: Cyber security expert Alistair mcgibbons says Chinese made vehicles could
43:30
Speaker 8: be used for mass surveillance, but also be remotely controlled, disabled,
43:35
Speaker 8: or even worse, detonated.
43:37
Speaker 10: It is technically possible for the manufacturer, who has to
43:41
Speaker 10: have constant connectivity with this vehicle, to turn off battery
43:45
Speaker 10: safety features, which could lead to explosion.
43:49
Speaker 2: Jeepers, creepers, tim it might be time to get that
43:52
Speaker 2: Great Wall out of the garage.
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Speaker 19: Fortunately, I've managed to dodge buying such things as the
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Speaker 19: Great Wall and the the Executed Dissident. I think there's
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Speaker 19: another brand that's pretty popular. It is true the technology
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Speaker 19: now does allow, even even for superior petrol engine vehicles,
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Speaker 19: it does allow for remote cutouts in some cases, a
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Speaker 19: remote remote engine disabling and so on. So if you've
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Speaker 19: got not altogether friendly government, such as the communist tyranny
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Speaker 19: that's in charge of China, if you've got them delivering
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Speaker 19: more vehicles every year to Australian roads, yes it's a
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Speaker 19: legitimate concern that they might not function as we wish
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Speaker 19: them to.
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Speaker 2: And Mark this is in all sorts of stuff, all
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Speaker 2: sorts of household appliance. Is I don't think they're going
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Speaker 2: to fiddle with our stuff just to burn your toast.
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Speaker 1: It could be all sorts of problems down the track.
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Speaker 20: Who were have thought China was good up to this
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Speaker 20: sort of nonsense? Who thought China was into mass surveillance?
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Speaker 2: Hey?
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Speaker 14: Who thought Chora was not.
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Speaker 20: Really our friend and might have been a bit of
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Speaker 20: a threat to us. I thought they were just our
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Speaker 20: friends that picked the Prime Minister up and gave him
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Speaker 20: a whole bunch of free cars when he was over
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Speaker 20: the Solomon Islands driving around in the Great Wall. I
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Speaker 20: didn't know they were listening to everything he was saying
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Speaker 20: in the car.
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Speaker 1: I didn't know they were doing this sort of stuff.
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Speaker 20: Who would have thought, surely the Prime Minister is going
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Speaker 20: to stand up for our safety here and he's going
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Speaker 20: to stop all this stuff quickly, surely, right.
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Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, sure, there's exactly he'll be standing up to China.
45:20
Speaker 1: I wonder if I can pick your brain.
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Speaker 2: I'll pick your brains on another couple of big issues
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Speaker 2: around the place today. Won Global one Australia, and that
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Speaker 2: is obviously we're doing a lot on climates and emissions
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Speaker 2: reductions in Australia, but also the Trump Royal, the royal
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Speaker 2: hosting of Donald Trump in the UK, and I think
45:39
Speaker 2: these stories actually are linked because you think about the
45:42
Speaker 2: US has dropped out of Paris. It's not into this
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Speaker 2: net zero by twenty fifty anymore. And if you look
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Speaker 2: at the pictures here, that's on clear display. As Trump
45:50
Speaker 2: comes into windsor Castle, flying in on a fleet of helicopters,
45:54
Speaker 2: it's like something out of apocalypse now. As he comes in,
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Speaker 2: they're burning plenty of avgas to get him if to
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Speaker 2: the lawns. Britain, on the other hand, has just increased
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Speaker 2: its missions targets. It's full on for net zero by
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Speaker 2: twenty fifty. So look after how they have to get
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Speaker 2: the US president around. They don't want to burn any
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Speaker 2: fossil fuels as they shift him around the backyard. If
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Speaker 2: we've got those pictures there, I'm certain they're there somewhere
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Speaker 2: here we go, no fossil fuels here. This is the
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Speaker 2: net zero approached, Tim Oh.
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Speaker 19: Yes, Unfortunately the common man doesn't get around in such
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Speaker 19: a usually get around in such a palatial circumstances and
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Speaker 19: all such grand circumstances as that. The culture is shifting
46:40
Speaker 19: right now, and I think we're seeing it at a
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Speaker 19: lot of levels. You know that Charlie Kirk shooting the
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Speaker 19: attempts to assassinate President Trump last year during the election
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Speaker 19: during the US. In Australia, we're seeing power bills that
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Speaker 19: are through the roof, and I think for a lot
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Speaker 19: of people, the I guess the political fashions of the
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Speaker 19: last decade being re evaluated, let's say, and in some
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Speaker 19: cases being chucked out.
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Speaker 2: Yeah, I think the horse drawn carriage mark might be
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Speaker 2: a little bit of a better option then than your
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Speaker 2: Chinese electric vehicle.
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Speaker 20: Yeah, possibly, mate, Yeah, because they can't really they can't
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Speaker 20: understand what they're hearing.
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Speaker 1: They're not really going.
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Speaker 14: To blow up all soon, but maybe not, who knows.
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Speaker 20: We like at the end of the day, there even
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Speaker 20: the Greenies like this twenty thirty five target that the
47:24
Speaker 20: Labor government just dropped. All the Greenies are upset. They
47:26
Speaker 20: were hoping that they could destroy the country faster and
47:29
Speaker 20: that we may be one hundred percent tomorrow. Like, you
47:31
Speaker 20: just can't keep them happy. They'll be upset about the
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Speaker 20: horse drawn cabbage carriage. That's that's labor exploitation or animals abs,
47:37
Speaker 20: you know what I mean. It's like it's all falling apart.
47:39
Speaker 20: This is good for us. I think this is all
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Speaker 20: coming back because I think Tim's right. The culture is,
47:44
Speaker 20: the culture is changing, the winds are changing. I think
47:45
Speaker 20: it's going to come back to our to come out
47:47
Speaker 20: back to our way. People are waking up, and labor
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Speaker 20: and everyone that's going along these with these targets are
47:53
Speaker 20: just kicking own goals, so we don't have to do much,
47:56
Speaker 20: but we can just win the game by watching them
47:58
Speaker 20: kick their own goals.
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Speaker 2: I hope you're right about this culture changing, because Tim,
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Speaker 2: you also mentioned the horrible Charlie Kirk assassination. Have a
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Speaker 2: look at Kimmel on ABC Television in the States trying
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Speaker 2: to make light and spread lies about this.
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Speaker 21: We had some new lows over the weekend with the
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Speaker 21: Maga Gang desperately trying to characterize this kid who murdered
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Speaker 21: Charlie Kirk as anything other than one of them and
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Speaker 21: do everything they can to score political points from it.
48:29
Speaker 2: There you go, Tim, The good news is the Candy Show.
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Speaker 2: After that, Why would anyone want to watch that rubbish,
48:36
Speaker 2: especially when they're supposed to be tuning in for a
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Speaker 2: bit of humor and entertainment.
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Speaker 19: Percent I think a lot of people who enjoy late
48:43
Speaker 19: night US television will still regret the terrible decision to
48:46
Speaker 19: get rid of the old Craig Ferguson show, which was
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Speaker 19: the last He was the last great non political, non preachy,
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Speaker 19: non woke, non scoldie presenter on US TV. I think
48:57
Speaker 19: also that there might be there might be the network
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Speaker 19: that got rid of Jimmy Kimmel might have done so
49:02
Speaker 19: as more sort of an excuse to get rid of him.
49:06
Speaker 19: They might have used his insulting and inaccurate and deceptive
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Speaker 19: words about the Kirk assassination as an excuse to get
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Speaker 19: rid of him because he rates through the floor and
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Speaker 19: cost tons of money. So yeah, either way, it's good
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Speaker 19: to see a bad show dubbed.
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Speaker 1: Just very quickly.
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Speaker 2: I want to show you guys a little bit of
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Speaker 2: shoplifting in Wayala.
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Speaker 1: Check this out.
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Speaker 22: A Boulders Brass shoplifter has been caught on camera stealing
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Speaker 22: a television from an electrical store in Wyaler. Crystal clear
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Speaker 22: security vision shows the man casually stuffing the box under
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Speaker 22: his T shirt and strolling out the shot. Posted the
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Speaker 22: video asking for the thief to return. The TV management
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Speaker 22: says they know the man's identity and the crime in
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Speaker 22: Whaler is out of control.
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Speaker 2: Yeah, just tell him hand it back because China's going
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Speaker 2: to blow it up.
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Speaker 1: Thanks for joining us, Tim Mark, we are right out
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Speaker 1: at t ON. Thanks for joining me this week. He
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Speaker 1: has Peter Cretin.
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Speaker 15: Mm hmmmmmmmmmm hmm