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Ep. 269 - How to Honor the Elderly · The Living Waters Podcast

• 1:04
  Ray Comfort: I used to say right in the middle of the sermon I thank God for saving me at a young age, when I was 22.
• 1:08
  Ray Comfort: And I'd say I thank God he didn't wait till I was 98, where I would say, oh God, please use me, and I'd fall backwards behind the pulpit and disappear and everyone thought it was greatly funny.
• 1:18
  Ray Comfort: And I thought it was funny and it was just carried on.
• 1:20
  Ray Comfort: Someone wrote to me after that sermon and said I love your ministry, but why do you mock the elderly?
• 1:26
  Ray Comfort: And I've never forgotten that was like a dagger going into my heart.
• 1:30
  Ray Comfort: I'm not exaggerating, it just brings me to tears.
• 1:33
  Ray Comfort: I wept the other day just thinking of him.
• 1:34
  Ray Comfort: This was like 45 years ago or something like that, and so it's very important to be very careful that we don't mock the elderly and we just realize that every elderly person is an Oscar and easy a mark and old skin.
• 1:51
  Emeal Zwayne: Hey McFly, Name that movie.
• 1:53
  Mark Spence: Back to the Future.
• 1:55
  Emeal Zwayne: But my lips hurt real bad.
• 1:56
  Mark Spence: Napoleon Domenech.
• 1:58
  Emeal Zwayne: Okay, campers, rise and shine, and don't forget your booties, because it's cold out there.
• 2:04
  Ray Comfort: I know this one being her no.
• 2:06
  Emeal Zwayne: What's funny?
• 2:07
  Emeal Zwayne: What's funny?
• 2:08
  Emeal Zwayne: What's funny is of all of them, Mark.
• 2:12
  Emeal Zwayne: You should know this one because it was repeated again and again, and again.
• 2:16
  Mark Spence: Oh, groundhog, day.
• 2:17
  Emeal Zwayne: Yeah.
• 2:22
  Ray Comfort: There you go, mark.
• 2:22
  Ray Comfort: Now these are bad movies, some of them.
• 2:24
  Emeal Zwayne: Living Waters does not endorse or encourage the viewing of these movies nor is Living Waters or its distributors responsible for the contents of said movies or any movies in the entire universe, except for Living Waters movies.
• 2:31
  Emeal Zwayne: Viewer discretion is advised.
• 2:32
  Emeal Zwayne: Wow, did you read?
• 2:35
  Oscar Navarro: that.
• 2:35
  Ray Comfort: I did.
• 2:36
  Ray Comfort: You were predicting that I would jump in and say that, weren't you?
• 2:39
  Emeal Zwayne: Exactly, Ray Cover.
• 2:40
  Ray Comfort: Because I try to watch Groundhog without you know the cleaning thing.
• 2:43
  Emeal Zwayne: I know you're every movie and you can't every movie and you can't yeah, yeah, yeah, vid Angel, or what's the other one, mark, reading a book Clearplay, what Clearplay, clearplay.
• 2:55
  Ray Comfort: Yeah, those will help you with any movie like that Trouble is with those where they take all the cussing out.
• 2:59
  Ray Comfort: The box that I get the cussing in has to be emptied somewhere.
• 3:04
  Emeal Zwayne: The cussing box that receives all the cussing.
• 3:07
  Emeal Zwayne: Why is that word?
• 3:08
  Emeal Zwayne: It's such a nasty word, cuss.
• 3:11
  Ray Comfort: I think it's the connotation that comes with it.
• 3:13
  Emeal Zwayne: Wait, isn't there something to say?
• 3:15
  Emeal Zwayne: I've heard it used as a you little cuss.
• 3:17
  Emeal Zwayne: That's not a bad word is it?
• 3:19
  Ray Comfort: No, but it just means.
• 3:21
  Ray Comfort: I think it means naughty kid, probably down south.
• 3:24
  Ray Comfort: I thought that was my name growing up.
• 3:26
  Ray Comfort: Y'all, I thought that was my name growing up, y'all.
• 3:27
  Ray Comfort: No, I thought it was your name.
• 3:28
  Emeal Zwayne: All right, but here's the one question I have for y'all what do these three movies have in common?
• 3:37
  Oscar Navarro: What are the movies?
• 3:37
  Oscar Navarro: Again, back to the Future, ben-hur Napoleon.
• 3:41
  Emeal Zwayne: Dynamite and Napoleon Dynamite.
• 3:42
  Emeal Zwayne: Oh Ben-Hur, they were all produced Back to the Future.
• 3:46
  Emeal Zwayne: Napoleon Dynamite and Groundhog Day.
• 3:50
  Oscar Navarro: They're all feature films.
• 3:50
  Emeal Zwayne: No idea.
• 3:51
  Oscar Navarro: They all are at least an hour and a half long.
• 3:53
  Oscar Navarro: They all deal with time travel, napoleon Dynamite yeah, remember, oh, the time machine, the time machine I got you.
• 4:03
  Emeal Zwayne: Uncle Rico.
• 4:03
  Emeal Zwayne: Yeah, so, guys, I was thinking about this.
• 4:07
  Emeal Zwayne: And if you could travel to any non-biblical era, because you guys are so spiritual.
• 4:16
  Ray Comfort: Oh, stop it.
• 4:16
  Ray Comfort: You guys are so spiritual, there's nothing out there.
• 4:18
  Emeal Zwayne: So spiritual I knew you'd say something biblical.
• 4:21
  Emeal Zwayne: But if you could travel to any non-biblical era in history, can?
• 4:24
  Oscar Navarro: it be in the future.
• 4:26
  Emeal Zwayne: No, no, it's got to be the past.
• 4:28
  Emeal Zwayne: Where would it be in the future?
• 4:29
  Ray Comfort: No, no, it's got to be the past.
• 4:30
  Ray Comfort: Where would it be?
• 4:30
  Ray Comfort: The discovery of chocolate?
• 4:33
  Emeal Zwayne: Willy Wonka.
• 4:33
  Emeal Zwayne: You know what's funny?
• 4:35
  Emeal Zwayne: I saw a documentary on that and I mean chocolate goes a while back, but it was not what it is today.
• 4:42
  Emeal Zwayne: No, it was bitter, but it's been improved.
• 4:45
  Emeal Zwayne: They put chocolate with it.
• 4:46
  Emeal Zwayne: I just bought Rachel Chocolate.
• 4:47
  Emeal Zwayne: I just bought Rachel.
• 4:48
  Emeal Zwayne: I just bought Rachel.
• 4:49
  Emeal Zwayne: You hear that Easy.
• 4:49
  Emeal Zwayne: They put what Chocolate with it.
• 4:51
  Emeal Zwayne: That's what made it good.
• 4:53
  Emeal Zwayne: Oh boy man, I seriously have been a chocoholic since I was a little boy.
• 4:57
  Emeal Zwayne: Same here, guys.
• 4:58
  Emeal Zwayne: No, there was a first time we tasted the glories of chocolate.
• 5:02
  Emeal Zwayne: Yeah, like.
• 5:03
  Emeal Zwayne: My daughter Summer will record her boys.
• 5:05
  Emeal Zwayne: You know, every time they'll eat something for the first time.
• 5:07
  Emeal Zwayne: Did they ever do that with you guys?
• 5:09
  Emeal Zwayne: Like the lemon?
• 5:09
  Emeal Zwayne: Like, did you do that with your kids, mark?
• 5:12
  Emeal Zwayne: No, they didn't have lemons the first time.
• 5:15
  Emeal Zwayne: They bit into a lemon, the face contorts and does all this stuff.
• 5:19
  Emeal Zwayne: But I just bought Rachel a.
• 5:22
  Emeal Zwayne: I did it with my dog.
• 5:23
  Emeal Zwayne: No, did you really?
• 5:25
  Ray Comfort: Lucy Lemon, I did it with my dog.
• 5:26
  Ray Comfort: Yeah, they did it with your dog.
• 5:27
  Ray Comfort: So they go, mmm their teeth.
• 5:31
  Emeal Zwayne: Do that again right, mmm.
• 5:33
  Ray Comfort: They show all their teeth at once, like what are you trying to do?
• 5:36
  Ray Comfort: I want to try that.
• 5:37
  Mark Spence: They keep taking it.
• 5:38
  Mark Spence: Throw little pieces of lemon to your dog to catch.
• 5:40
  Mark Spence: They just keep catching it.
• 5:41
  Mark Spence: They keep doing it.
• 5:43
  Emeal Zwayne: Yeah, they keep doing it, the peanut butter thing.
• 5:45
  Mark Spence: Oh, that's fun.
• 5:46
  Mark Spence: Peanut butter on lemon.
• 5:48
  Ray Comfort: No, you put the peanut butter on your finger and put it on the top of their mouth.
• 5:50
  Ray Comfort: And they keep licking or they keep talking to you for the next five minutes.
• 5:53
  Ray Comfort: Hey how you doing.
• 5:56
  Emeal Zwayne: They must have used that in movies, right when they're trying to make dogs act like they're dogs.
• 6:00
  Emeal Zwayne: Mr Ed so do you guys, only for fun.
• 6:05
  Ray Comfort: Yeah, but I just got no.
• 6:06
  Ray Comfort: Dogs were damaged In the making of this program I love dogs.
• 6:11
  Emeal Zwayne: But Wet more?
• 6:12
  Ray Comfort: No, don't even, no, no, this is not Thailand, you carry on easy.
• 6:16
  Ray Comfort: So.
• 6:17
  Emeal Zwayne: The what was I going to say?
• 6:19
  Emeal Zwayne: Your memory improving A little.
• 6:20
  Emeal Zwayne: Oh, I just got Rachel A two pound Box of Seas Candies Chocolates For her birthday.
• 6:26
  Ray Comfort: They need to change the name to S-E-I-Z-E.
• 6:29
  Ray Comfort: Seize, seize the candy.
• 6:33
  Emeal Zwayne: The danger is there's one right by my house now.
• 6:38
  Mark Spence: Mark, it's near our home.
• 6:39
  Mark Spence: We have friends that work there.
• 6:40
  Emeal Zwayne: We can literally walk there.
• 6:41
  Ray Comfort: They're owned by Weight Watchers.
• 6:44
  Emeal Zwayne: The guy who owns a window company goes around breaking everyone's windows in the neighborhood.
• 6:47
  Emeal Zwayne: I've often thought about graffitis.
• 6:48
  Emeal Zwayne: Like the guy who owns a window company goes around breaking everyone's windows in the neighborhood During the night.
• 6:50
  Ray Comfort: But you know I've often thought about graffitis.
• 6:52
  Ray Comfort: The guys that clean graffiti in the night.
• 6:54
  Ray Comfort: They go out with their paint cans, that's what they do at night.
• 6:59
  Emeal Zwayne: No, but I popped in one of those and I end up eating most of the whole box.
• 7:04
  Emeal Zwayne: What about the candy I get for Rachel?
• 7:07
  Emeal Zwayne: Yeah, and the chocolates too, but I popped in one the other day and it was like a moment of worship, not of the candy, but of the Lord to give us taste buds and to give us this substance.
• 7:21
  Ray Comfort: Isn't there 10,000 taste buds on your tongue?
• 7:23
  Ray Comfort: Running around or doing a?
• 7:25
  Emeal Zwayne: disco.
• 7:25
  Emeal Zwayne: Seriously, imagine not being able to taste anything, but don't tell me that any of you here do not like chocolate, please.
• 7:32
  Mark Spence: Love chocolate.
• 7:32
  Mark Spence: Not a fan of Seas chocolate.
• 7:34
  Ray Comfort: Yeah, I don't like Seas.
• 7:35
  Ray Comfort: It's a lawsuit.
• 7:36
  Mark Spence: Listen, the best chocolate is from like Germany or Switzerland, sorry, you have to go to Europe.
• 7:40
  Emeal Zwayne: I've been to Europe.
• 7:41
  Emeal Zwayne: I've tried their chocolate.
• 7:42
  Emeal Zwayne: Nothing compares to See's.
• 7:47
  Emeal Zwayne: See's is mostly sugar and milk.
• 7:50
  Emeal Zwayne: That's why you like it.
• 7:51
  Emeal Zwayne: This is coming from guys that eat Wienerschnitzel.
• 7:52
  Emeal Zwayne: I don't need to hear advice from you.
• 7:55
  Mark Spence: There is nobody in the world that's going to agree with you, unless they work for See's Candy.
• 7:58
  Mark Spence: They're wrong.
• 7:59
  Mark Spence: No, the best chocolate is from Europe.
• 8:00
  Mark Spence: I agree, new Zealand has absolutely the best chocolate.
• 8:03
  Mark Spence: I mean, I love it.
• 8:04
  Emeal Zwayne: New Zealand.
• 8:04
  Emeal Zwayne: They don't even make their own chocolate.
• 8:06
  Mark Spence: Were you raised budding to say something.
• 8:08
  Ray Comfort: Have I ever told you about my buddy friend who had no taste buds?
• 8:11
  Ray Comfort: He wasn't born without taste buds, he just couldn't taste things because he had such sinus problems?
• 8:15
  Ray Comfort: Never told you about Dudley Scantlebury?
• 8:17
  Ray Comfort: I've heard his name.
• 8:18
  Ray Comfort: Let me tell you the story.
• 8:20
  Ray Comfort: Dudley Scantlebury was a radio announcer, national radio announcer, and his accent was just like his name, Dudley Scantaburray.
• 8:29
  Ray Comfort: He spoke very eloquently and he had me on his program once and he had problems with his sinuses.
• 8:35
  Ray Comfort: He couldn't hardly even smell or taste.
• 8:37
  Ray Comfort: And so he had me in a studio and he said you know what a kill switch is?
• 8:42
  Ray Comfort: Yeah, you stop the sound on a radio program.
• 8:45
  Emeal Zwayne: Yeah.
• 8:46
  Ray Comfort: He said Ray Comfort, great to have you on the program today.
• 8:49
  Ray Comfort: As he pushed the kill switch, this is good to have you here.
• 8:56
  Ray Comfort: The audience didn't hear the and I fell off the chair.
• 9:00
  Ray Comfort: Seriously he would constantly do that.
• 9:01
  Ray Comfort: Yeah, but not on air.
• 9:03
  Oscar Navarro: He'd kill it on the kill switch.
• 9:04
  Ray Comfort: And Sue said oh, I heard the interview.
• 9:07
  Ray Comfort: What was all that grunting?
• 9:08
  Ray Comfort: In there and it was me on the floor in the studio because I literally fell off the stool because I couldn't believe what happened.
• 9:14
  Emeal Zwayne: How did the guy respond to you?
• 9:16
  Emeal Zwayne: Mocking him like that.
• 9:17
  Ray Comfort: No, I didn't mock him.
• 9:17
  Ray Comfort: It was just a joy to hear him do that.
• 9:20
  Ray Comfort: That's what they all say.
• 9:21
  Emeal Zwayne: All right friends, time for a cool, classy comment.
• 9:24
  Emeal Zwayne: This came in as a letter, believe it or not, in the mail.
• 9:27
  Emeal Zwayne: My name is Matthew and I've been a pastor at a small church in Virginia for about 10 years now.
• 9:32
  Emeal Zwayne: I just went through one of the most difficult times of my life.
• 9:35
  Emeal Zwayne: Near the end of the year, I found myself struggling with rising anxiety.
• 9:39
  Emeal Zwayne: It became worse and worse until I woke up one morning early in January and had only what I can describe as a complete nervous breakdown.
• 9:46
  Emeal Zwayne: I couldn't function, eat, eat or sleep for three days.
• 9:49
  Emeal Zwayne: A major part of what was causing my anxiety were doubts of the Bible and Christ flooding my mind.
• 9:54
  Emeal Zwayne: Every morning my mind was filled with new reasons.
• 9:58
  Emeal Zwayne: God's word couldn't possibly be true.
• 9:59
  Emeal Zwayne: I felt like I was losing my mind, my faith and my ability to continue on.
• 10:05
  Emeal Zwayne: God brought your podcast to my mind and things got worse.
• 10:11
  Emeal Zwayne: I had listened to a few episodes, but was not a regular listener, but I decided to see if you had done an episode on doubt you had.
• 10:20
  Emeal Zwayne: That one episode may have been one of the most important podcasts I've ever heard, because God's word is powerful.
• 10:27
  Emeal Zwayne: I believe it was Oscar who quoted.
• 10:29
  Emeal Zwayne: Faith comes by hearing and hearing by the word of God.
• 10:31
  Emeal Zwayne: God began to transform me, to show me how I had neglected his word and had only been using it to teach others.
• 10:37
  Emeal Zwayne: He began to root sinful thought patterns out of my life and bring me into accountability and fellowship with other men in my life.
• 10:44
  Emeal Zwayne: He ignited in me a passion for evangelism as I became absolutely addicted to your podcast.
• 10:51
  Emeal Zwayne: Listening every day would not only calm the anxiety I was fighting, but fill me with God's word.
• 10:57
  Emeal Zwayne: The last two months have been so difficult, but I am so thankful for what God has done for me.
• 11:01
  Emeal Zwayne: Pouring myself into God's word has driven fear away and filled me with a burning faith.
• 11:06
  Emeal Zwayne: Thank you, men, for your obedience to Christ.
• 11:09
  Emeal Zwayne: God may have used you to save my ministry and even my life, without you knowing.
• 11:14
  Emeal Zwayne: Thank you, ray, for writing God has a Wonderful Plan for your life and for the evidence, study Bible.
• 11:19
  Emeal Zwayne: Thank you, easy, for making me laugh even when I was in the pit of despair.
• 11:22
  Emeal Zwayne: Thank you, oscar, for speaking God's powerful word into my life.
• 11:25
  Emeal Zwayne: Thank you, mark, for challenging me to be a soldier for Christ.
• 11:28
  Emeal Zwayne: Thank you, crew, for laboring unseen.
• 11:31
  Emeal Zwayne: With the love of Jesus, matthew.
• 11:34
  Ray Comfort: Whoa, what a thoughtful thing to say.
• 11:36
  Oscar Navarro: Wow, man, do we have his contact information?
• 11:38
  Oscar Navarro: Yeah, I'd love to reach out to him.
• 11:41
  Emeal Zwayne: Yeah, I was given the letter.
• 11:43
  Emeal Zwayne: I didn't have the envelope with it, so I don't know.
• 11:47
  Emeal Zwayne: Matthew, if you're hearing this, email us at podcastatlivingwaterscom and give us your info, because we would love to reach out.
• 11:53
  Mark Spence: We'll put it in the description.
• 11:55
  Ray Comfort: We need 400 Matthews emailing us.
• 11:56
  Ray Comfort: Send me all you've got.
• 11:59
  Oscar Navarro: You know who you are, Matthew.
• 12:00
  Oscar Navarro: Thank you, man, for that letter.
• 12:01
  Oscar Navarro: That's so neat.
• 12:02
  Emeal Zwayne: Brother, thank you.
• 12:03
  Emeal Zwayne: That means more to us than we could describe in words, and especially because of what God did in your heart and the fact that you're on fire for him.
• 12:10
  Emeal Zwayne: We recognize you know that, being a pastor all of us here have pastored and we know the pressures that are involved in that and the enemy's attacks, and so may you continue to go strong and seek after him, and may he use you for his glory.
• 12:24
  Emeal Zwayne: Amen, yeah, all right, fran's time for a radically revolutionary resource.
• 12:29
  Emeal Zwayne: And lo and behold, what do you know?
• 12:31
  Emeal Zwayne: Scientific facts in the Bible.
• 12:34
  Emeal Zwayne: A hundred reasons to believe the Bible is supernatural in origin.
• 12:37
  Emeal Zwayne: In keeping with what Matthew said, he struggled with recognizing the Bible as God's word.
• 12:42
  Emeal Zwayne: Ray.
• 12:42
  Ray Comfort: Yeah, very excited.
• 12:43
  Ray Comfort: I just I didn't know how many had been printed, and over 600,000 have been printed.
• 12:47
  Ray Comfort: So I checked the publishers and they're letting us have a special print where we can bring the unit price down to under a dollar and make them available for around that price.
• 12:55
  Emeal Zwayne: Yeah, how many copies have gone out?
• 12:56
  Ray Comfort: Ray Over 600,000.
• 12:57
  Ray Comfort: 600,000.
• 12:59
  Ray Comfort: That's just one lady trying to reach.
• 13:01
  Ray Comfort: I see them in airports all the time.
• 13:02
  Emeal Zwayne: All the time same here.
• 13:03
  Emeal Zwayne: Yeah, no, I see them in airports too, In the trash can, when they belong.
• 13:10
  Emeal Zwayne: No, it's a good one.
• 13:12
  Emeal Zwayne: The cool thing about the book Two Friends for those of you listening is it's very short.
• 13:15
  Emeal Zwayne: It's not like it's like Ray, it's not, you know, it's not very long, but it's so, so good and powerful.
• 13:23
  Emeal Zwayne: And it's got little pictures in it too.
• 13:25
  Ray Comfort: Yeah, Is it?
• 13:28
  Emeal Zwayne: a coloring book.
• 13:29
  Mark Spence: Yeah.
• 13:29
  Ray Comfort: I like to say that to unbelievers when they say can I give you a free book?
• 13:33
  Ray Comfort: Yeah, but I don't read much.
• 13:34
  Ray Comfort: It's got little pictures in it and it usually makes them laugh.
• 13:38
  Emeal Zwayne: 600,000.
• 13:39
  Emeal Zwayne: I'm sure it's going to hit a million before long.
• 13:41
  Emeal Zwayne: Scientific facts in the Bible 100 reasons to believe the Bible is supernatural in origin.
• 13:45
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• 13:57
  Mark Spence: Wow.
• 13:58
  Ray Comfort: Did that hit key?
• 13:59
  Ray Comfort: It did hit key, didn't it.
• 14:00
  Emeal Zwayne: That one was really nice, really nice.
• 14:03
  Emeal Zwayne: All right, friends, today we are dealing with mocking the elderly.
• 14:08
  Emeal Zwayne: How to honor ray comfort, how to honor the elderly?
• 14:14
  Emeal Zwayne: Yeah, boy, you know, ray, what were dinosaurs like ray and ken ham can tell us.
• 14:22
  Emeal Zwayne: We live together real well.
• 14:23
  Emeal Zwayne: Yeah, you know's.
• 14:26
  Emeal Zwayne: It's amazing when, when you hear how young people talk about the elderly and you look at the um attitudes that people have, I remember a while back on YouTube someone had posted a video of an elderly person that they've secretly videoed, like in the gym and just mocking them.
• 14:46
  Emeal Zwayne: It just man.
• 14:48
  Emeal Zwayne: It broke my heart.
• 14:49
  Emeal Zwayne: But there is, I think, a telltale sign of a culture that has radically degenerated into depravity, and that's when you begin to see them mistreat the elderly.
• 15:03
  Emeal Zwayne: In fact, there's a passage in Deuteronomy, chapter 28.
• 15:08
  Emeal Zwayne: This is where the Lord is talking to Israel about the judgment that would come upon them if they were to forsake him and turn from his word and his law.
• 15:17
  Emeal Zwayne: And he says the Lord will bring a nation against you from afar, from the end of the earth, as swift as the eagle flies, a nation whose language you will not understand, a nation of fierce countenance, which does not respect the elderly nor show favor to the young.
• 15:35
  Emeal Zwayne: I mean Oscar.
• 15:37
  Emeal Zwayne: The Lord here is describing in essence a nation that is going to be used as a tool of judgment.
• 15:43
  Emeal Zwayne: He's talking about how wicked they are.
• 15:45
  Emeal Zwayne: He's explaining them fierce countenance, and one of their marks is that they don't respect the elder.
• 15:55
  Oscar Navarro: I mean, I can't think of that's where we're at.
• 15:59
  Oscar Navarro: It's unfortunate because if you look through history, the elderly were honored and respected.
• 16:07
  Oscar Navarro: Nowadays it's unusual, it's weird, it's considered a great sacrifice.
• 16:13
  Oscar Navarro: If your parents or your grandparents live with you For most of human history and in most places of the world, that is just what you did.
• 16:22
  Oscar Navarro: And if you think about it's not just the young, but think about what we do Generally speaking.
• 16:28
  Oscar Navarro: As people get older, we don't know what to do with them and so they get sent off into retirement homes.
• 16:34
  Oscar Navarro: They get sent off to be alone.
• 16:36
  Oscar Navarro: Years ago, my grandma she got to a place where she couldn't afford her condo anymore and we were trying to figure out what to do with her and the options were basically, she can move out of state, the only place she can afford to live, where she'd live by herself in a retirement home.
• 16:52
  Oscar Navarro: She'd move back to Mexico, where she grew up but doesn't have the best medical you know resources available to her and we were talking and praying through it.
• 17:01
  Oscar Navarro: And option number three was we can have her move in with us, and in full sacrifice, full, full transparency.
• 17:08
  Oscar Navarro: I was the one that was hesitant my own grandma I was just, you know, man, this is going to cost us something.
• 17:13
  Oscar Navarro: This is going to cost us relationally, this is going to cost us financially.
• 17:17
  Oscar Navarro: This wasn't in our plan.
• 17:18
  Oscar Navarro: And my incredible wife one day was like, yeah, but she was there for you.
• 17:23
  Oscar Navarro: You know, she was there for me when my mom kicked me out of the house.
• 17:26
  Oscar Navarro: And uh, and, and she was absolutely right.
• 17:30
  Oscar Navarro: And so we, we moved homes and we had her move into it, move in with us.
• 17:35
  Oscar Navarro: And uh, we did that because someone told us the reason why the elderly suffer so much from depression is because they're alone.
• 17:43
  Oscar Navarro: They said as they, this is someone who works in the industry.
• 17:47
  Oscar Navarro: They told us, which is a friend of ours.
• 17:48
  Oscar Navarro: They told us, as you get older, your friends start dying, your relatives start dying, your siblings start dying, your grandkids start moving away.
• 17:57
  Oscar Navarro: No one starts showing up.
• 17:58
  Oscar Navarro: You can't drive as far.
• 18:00
  Oscar Navarro: Your world just gets smaller and smaller and smaller.
• 18:06
  Oscar Navarro: And I just thought we can't let that happen to my grandma.
• 18:09
  Oscar Navarro: We just can't.
• 18:10
  Oscar Navarro: And so, yeah, it's like young people mocking, but it's also the way we set ourselves up as a culture.
• 18:15
  Oscar Navarro: We almost, like, shove them off into the corners of society because they're well.
• 18:19
  Oscar Navarro: Why?
• 18:20
  Oscar Navarro: Why is that why?
• 18:21
  Oscar Navarro: Because they remind us that we're all going to die someday.
• 18:23
  Oscar Navarro: Seriously, maybe, I think.
• 18:24
  Oscar Navarro: Sometimes we're like we're so afraid of people getting older because it reminds us of our futility.
• 18:31
  Mark Spence: I saw a video of an elderly man go to his neighbor's house.
• 18:35
  Mark Spence: It's all caught on a ring doorbell and he just asked if the person would open a jar for him and he said in passing, he just kind of passed it off and he just said all my friends are dead now I have nobody to open my jar for me.
• 18:48
  Mark Spence: Like wow, he just kind of passed it off and he just said all my friends are dead now I have nobody to open my jar for me.
• 18:52
  Mark Spence: Wow, I went on the Huntington Beach and I brought another petition, signed my petition to legalize Parasite, which is the murdering of the elderly, and I have kids signing my petition.
• 19:06
  Emeal Zwayne: They actually signed it Mark, I've got it haven't released it yet.
• 19:08
  Emeal Zwayne: Wow, is that recent?
• 19:10
  Emeal Zwayne: Did you recently do?
• 19:11
  Mark Spence: that.
• 19:11
  Mark Spence: No, I did it at the same time as I was coming up with signing my petition to legalize abortion.
• 19:16
  Ray Comfort: Yeah, mark, you should have done another one, just so.
• 19:19
  Ray Comfort: Thanks for signing those.
• 19:20
  Ray Comfort: Got another one about putting students to death.
• 19:22
  Ray Comfort: Who?
• 19:25
  Emeal Zwayne: signed this petition.
• 19:26
  Emeal Zwayne: Yeah, no, boy, it's so true, oscar man, I really think that there is this blind spot and I talked about it before.
• 19:37
  Emeal Zwayne: You know.
• 19:37
  Emeal Zwayne: I call it the, you know, invincibility, invincibility, invincibility, complex.
• 19:45
  Emeal Zwayne: That's right, thank you, ray.
• 19:46
  Emeal Zwayne: You remember that I'm here for you?
• 19:47
  Emeal Zwayne: Oh, thank you, ray.
• 19:49
  Emeal Zwayne: Why is it?
• 19:50
  Emeal Zwayne: When Oscar said my friends are dying, I did think of it Exactly, popped in your head.
• 19:54
  Emeal Zwayne: I just know everything that goes on, yes, and that was my first book.
• 19:56
  Emeal Zwayne: Yeah, my friends are dying, but but it's this sense of forgetfulness.
• 20:03
  Emeal Zwayne: We're headed there.
• 20:04
  Emeal Zwayne: We're headed there and I can imagine the regret of someone who's elderly and they look back at how they neglected their elderly parents, how they mocked the elderly how impatient they were, and it's so beautiful when you see someone honoring the elderly, especially their own parents.
• 20:20
  Emeal Zwayne: Yesterday I was having lunch with a dear brother and he was telling me how he said to his father-in-law you have a home, our home is yours.
• 20:29
  Emeal Zwayne: His father-in-law has gotten up in years and he just told him this is your home.
• 20:33
  Emeal Zwayne: I want you to know that and I love that.
• 20:35
  Emeal Zwayne: I love it.
• 20:36
  Emeal Zwayne: Oscar, your wife was the one who said bring your grandma in, knowing that she's going to be with her all day and she's going to help take care of her.
• 20:43
  Emeal Zwayne: You know, my wife, rachel, did the same thing.
• 20:45
  Emeal Zwayne: I mean, we had my dad live with us for 12 years and my wife was helping look after him and she did it with joy and gladness.
• 20:52
  Emeal Zwayne: You know, of course, with all these things there's challenges and trials, but it all the more shows their love because they press on.
• 20:57
  Emeal Zwayne: Mark, you guys had your parents.
• 20:59
  Emeal Zwayne: Laura did the same thing.
• 21:00
  Emeal Zwayne: How long did your parents live with you?
• 21:02
  Mark Spence: My parents lived with us for six years Now.
• 21:04
  Mark Spence: I mean, let it be said that it's not always a conducive idea to have your parents live with you.
• 21:10
  Mark Spence: Sometimes it's a detriment of your current situation and it can cause undue friction with your spouse or with your kids.
• 21:19
  Mark Spence: So you really do need to seek after wisdom, specifically from your elders of your local church who are going to give an account.
• 21:26
  Emeal Zwayne: Yeah, for sure.
• 21:27
  Emeal Zwayne: And sometimes, you know, I mean it's an issue of need, right?
• 21:29
  Emeal Zwayne: I mean there are different circumstances, situations.
• 21:32
  Emeal Zwayne: Sometimes they need full medical care and attention.
• 21:34
  Emeal Zwayne: Other times maybe they're not elderly enough and they're prematurely brought into someone's home or whatever.
• 21:40
  Emeal Zwayne: But in those times when our parents need us and we have the capacity, the ability, the circumstances, aligned man, our hearts should be.
• 21:48
  Emeal Zwayne: This is what I want to do, of course under counsel, like you're saying, mark, but it's a disposition of the heart.
• 21:53
  Ray Comfort: My parents lived with me for 20 years.
• 21:55
  Ray Comfort: I never told you that your parents lived with you for 20 years, yeah, and then I got married.
• 21:59
  Emeal Zwayne: Yeah, I got married got married.
• 22:06
  Oscar Navarro: Yeah, yeah, before he got me.
• 22:07
  Oscar Navarro: Ray, you mentioned your first book earlier.
• 22:08
  Oscar Navarro: What was it like writing?
• 22:10
  Ray Comfort: on papyrus we're talking about being patient with elderly people.
• 22:12
  Ray Comfort: I just got to commend my wife.
• 22:13
  Ray Comfort: She's the most patient woman in the world.
• 22:15
  Ray Comfort: Um, I was wrote to easy and said it was strange the other day because my wife complained just because I threw a ball for the dog and hit sue in the back.
• 22:21
  Ray Comfort: And then the next day I was at work and I threw a box to the trash and for some reason it curved to the right and hit her in the back and she complained again.
• 22:29
  Ray Comfort: Then I smashed a glass that night at home that wasn't me, it was the gravity thing again and then I spilled some milk.
• 22:34
  Ray Comfort: But the thing is about me getting old.
• 22:36
  Ray Comfort: I've done that all my life.
• 22:38
  Oscar Navarro: I've always spilled and smashed.
• 22:39
  Emeal Zwayne: Nothing has changed.
• 22:40
  Ray Comfort: Yeah, yeah, but I've mentioned this before on program two, I think when we started that.
• 22:46
  Ray Comfort: Regrets I have a few, but then again too few to mention.
• 22:48
  Ray Comfort: But one of my big regrets was something I did from the pulpit many years ago.
• 22:53
  Emeal Zwayne: Is it because you did it your way, Ray?
• 22:55
  Ray Comfort: No, it didn't, it was my way.
• 22:57
  Ray Comfort: Yes.
• 22:57
  Emeal Zwayne: I did it my way I didn't want you to sing it.
• 23:00
  Ray Comfort: It brings tears to the eyes.
• 23:01
  Ray Comfort: To sing it, it brings tears to the eyes.
• 23:04
  Ray Comfort: Anyway, I was in a pulpit and I had this sermon.
• 23:05
  Ray Comfort: It was militant evangelism.
• 23:06
  Ray Comfort: And what are you doing?
• 23:06
  Ray Comfort: Spence Taking a B-roll, B-roll?
• 23:09
  Ray Comfort: Yeah, militant evangelism is one of my favorite sermons.
• 23:14
  Ray Comfort: It's got a lot of humor in it.
• 23:14
  Ray Comfort: It talks about three keys to an army's success.
• 23:17
  Ray Comfort: And I used to say right in the middle of the sermon I thank God for saving me at a young age, when I was 22.
• 23:22
  Ray Comfort: And I'd say I thank God he didn't wait until I was 98, where I would say, oh God, please use me.
• 23:29
  Ray Comfort: And I'd fall backwards behind the pulpit and disappear and everyone thought it was greatly funny.
• 23:32
  Ray Comfort: And I thought it was funny and it was just carried on.
• 23:34
  Ray Comfort: Someone wrote to me after that sermon and said I love your ministry, but why do you mock the elderly?
• 23:40
  Ray Comfort: And I've never forgotten that was like a dagger going into my heart.
• 23:44
  Ray Comfort: I'm not exaggerating, it just brings me to tears.
• 23:47
  Ray Comfort: I wept the other day just thinking of him.
• 23:48
  Ray Comfort: This was like 45 years ago or something like that.
• 23:51
  Ray Comfort: And so it's very important to be very careful that we don't mock the elderly and we just realize that every elderly person is an Oscar, an Easy, a Mark, an Old Skin.
• 23:59
  Ray Comfort: My aunt, who turned 99, said on the phone I can't believe it, I'm 99.
• 24:06
  Ray Comfort: I could believe it because it wasn't me.
• 24:09
  Ray Comfort: But she was saying I'm still 17, I'm still a young girl, but I can't move, I'm stuck in this body of death.
• 24:15
  Ray Comfort: And so with the elderly, we need to be incredibly sympathetic and things happen.
• 24:23
  Ray Comfort: As you get older.
• 24:23
  Ray Comfort: You guys just starting to move into that realm is easy when you forget something, oscar, when he can't do what he did when he was like 20 years old.
• 24:32
  Ray Comfort: But I was looking at my body and admiring it and then I said what did I just say about Martin and Oscar?
• 24:42
  Ray Comfort: And I had my shirt off and I said to Sue no, I didn't.
• 24:47
  Ray Comfort: I said could be worse.
• 24:52
  Emeal Zwayne: And I had Sue say not much and I've got to confess I love her so much.
• 24:57
  Ray Comfort: We're talking about getting old.
• 24:58
  Ray Comfort: I've got a mirror at home that I've had for years, but I've noticed in recent years the reflection of the mirror has degenerated horribly and so day before yesterday I got rid of the mirror.
• 25:10
  Ray Comfort: I put it in the closet.
• 25:12
  Ray Comfort: I'm not kidding it was a horrible move, but because it was getting so ugly.
• 25:16
  Ray Comfort: And and speaking of that, um, when you get older you put on weight and it's not the food you're eating.
• 25:21
  Ray Comfort: You're still on the same diet, still exercising self-control, but just things go flop and you get bigger in areas you don't want to get bigger, and so Sue noticed that our scales were faulty.
• 25:32
  Oscar Navarro: No, no, serious.
• 25:33
  Ray Comfort: They were faulty.
• 25:34
  Ray Comfort: Sue found they were faulty.
• 25:35
  Ray Comfort: They were saying too much, so we've got new scales and those new scales were faulty.
• 25:38
  Ray Comfort: Don't tell me you threw your scales away.
• 25:40
  Ray Comfort: No, but we don't use them anymore Stupid things.
• 25:43
  Ray Comfort: So, yeah, let's be empathetic with the elderly, because they're just young people on old skin.
• 25:48
  Emeal Zwayne: Yeah, you know, mark, even you and I were talking recently about how we don't feel.
• 25:53
  Emeal Zwayne: Like you know, you're 52 now.
• 25:55
  Emeal Zwayne: Yeah, I'm 48.
• 25:57
  Emeal Zwayne: But yeah, like you're saying, ray, a 99-year-old aunt, is saying I don't feel.
• 26:03
  Emeal Zwayne: What does it mean?
• 26:04
  Emeal Zwayne: Do you feel?
• 26:05
  Emeal Zwayne: How do you know what it feels like?
• 26:07
  Emeal Zwayne: But it's true, internally I still feel like 17.
• 26:12
  Emeal Zwayne: I'm young, I'm in high, school.
• 26:14
  Ray Comfort: still, I could jump a six-foot fence in my teens.
• 26:17
  Ray Comfort: I could just run up to it and be over it like that.
• 26:19
  Oscar Navarro: I jumped a fence the other day.
• 26:20
  Oscar Navarro: You did.
• 26:24
  Oscar Navarro: We were leaving a comedy show and everyone was walking around this giant fence and it was like so jumpable and in my head I was like anytime, I mean, how many more times do I get to jump a fence?
• 26:31
  Mark Spence: I'm like.
• 26:31
  Oscar Navarro: I'm jumping the fence, so I jumped it just for the thrill of being able to jump a fence.
• 26:34
  Oscar Navarro: Did you do it?
• 26:35
  Oscar Navarro: I did yeah.
• 26:36
  Ray Comfort: And I did great.
• 26:36
  Ray Comfort: I didn't fall down.
• 26:37
  Ray Comfort: When I was 21, I jumped a fence it was a corrugated tin fence and I got all over, except for my leg.
• 26:42
  Ray Comfort: I got five stitches.
• 26:46
  Ray Comfort: No way and that's how we got our first dog, because the doctor had five poodles and I thought they're neat.
• 26:51
  Ray Comfort: So we went and got a poodle, but I got five stitches.
• 26:53
  Ray Comfort: I actually saw my own bone.
• 26:54
  Ray Comfort: I've never seen that before.
• 26:57
  Emeal Zwayne: That's a big cut.
• 26:58
  Ray Comfort: Yeah, it was, and I thought it was only a two and a half foot fence.
• 27:02
  Ray Comfort: I'm not kidding.
• 27:02
  Ray Comfort: I'm not kidding, yeah, but for someone like you that's like a nine foot fence.
• 27:09
  Emeal Zwayne: That was a pole vault.
• 27:11
  Emeal Zwayne: But yeah, you know, mark, it's just, I think, that realization as we're getting older that yeah, things change, our spirit doesn't, our heart doesn't.
• 27:22
  Emeal Zwayne: I mean, it can in certain ways, we can mature, we can grow, but we still have that love for life and that vibrancy internally.
• 27:31
  Emeal Zwayne: But but I mean, we're noticing I can't do what I used to do.
• 27:34
  Emeal Zwayne: I can't.
• 27:35
  Emeal Zwayne: I watched a video this morning of a kid and rapping as well.
• 27:38
  Emeal Zwayne: Yeah, I could rap and rhyme.
• 27:39
  Oscar Navarro: I could do it all the time you can't do what you can't.
• 27:43
  Emeal Zwayne: But I watched a video of this kid who had they had like this obstacle course in their house where he's swinging on things, I mean in the house.
• 27:50
  Emeal Zwayne: It was cool.
• 27:50
  Emeal Zwayne: It had like a rock wall and everything.
• 27:52
  Emeal Zwayne: And I'm watching this kid effortlessly do it and in my mind I'm like I can do it, but when the rubber meets the road.
• 27:58
  Emeal Zwayne: I can't.
• 27:59
  Emeal Zwayne: Did you try it right?
• 28:00
  Emeal Zwayne: Oh no, but, mark, it's again an indication that we're living in a fallen world, and that's a part of the curse.
• 28:06
  Ray Comfort: Before we get to Mark, can I just share something?
• 28:08
  Ray Comfort: It's another confession, All right, Elderly.
• 28:10
  Ray Comfort: First In the 80s there was an advertisement on television where an elderly person would fall down and they'd say I've fallen down and I can't get up.
• 28:19
  Ray Comfort: Do you remember those?
• 28:20
  Oscar Navarro: Yeah.
• 28:21
  Ray Comfort: That was the big joke of our generation.
• 28:23
  Ray Comfort: It was everyone was falling down.
• 28:24
  Ray Comfort: I can't get up.
• 28:25
  Ray Comfort: And now we're realizing it's not funny, I know.
• 28:28
  Emeal Zwayne: Because you fall down.
• 28:29
  Emeal Zwayne: I know I wrote a song actually with that saying in it when I was younger.
• 28:33
  Emeal Zwayne: I don't sing it anymore.
• 28:35
  Emeal Zwayne: How's it go?
• 28:36
  Emeal Zwayne: I've fallen and I can't get up, and then I won't get up, and no, I don't get up.
• 28:40
  Emeal Zwayne: Yeah, yeah, is that like an Elvis?
• 28:44
  Emeal Zwayne: I don't know, but I used to sing it all the time.
• 28:46
  Ray Comfort: You could have been good with pants on the ground.
• 28:48
  Ray Comfort: Pants on the ground.
• 28:50
  Emeal Zwayne: I know.
• 28:50
  Emeal Zwayne: So anyway, mark a fallen world under the curse.
• 28:54
  Mark Spence: It is, boy.
• 28:55
  Mark Spence: My heart does break for the elderly.
• 28:58
  Mark Spence: You know, if you see an elderly person instead of a restaurant by themselves, they weren't always like that.
• 29:04
  Mark Spence: You know, there, there was somebody there.
• 29:06
  Mark Spence: Why not just go and sit down with them or offer to pay for the meal?
• 29:09
  Mark Spence: Or, uh, I saw a video of a gentleman who, um, asked for dessert and he pulled out a candle and he's saying happy birthday to himself.
• 29:18
  Mark Spence: Uh, at our, at our restaurant.
• 29:20
  Mark Spence: You know, we, we, we need to be able to be there.
• 29:24
  Mark Spence: I had asked ChatGPT for some practical things that we can do to be there for the elderly and this is what ChatGPT had said Offer companionship Spend time with the elderly by visiting them regularly for conversation, play games, reading books or simply sitting and listening to their stories.
• 29:41
  Mark Spence: Provide transportation Oftentimes they can't drive around.
• 29:45
  Mark Spence: They have medical appointments, grocery shopping, church services.
• 29:48
  Mark Spence: Assist with errands, you know, pick up a food or prescriptions.
• 29:52
  Mark Spence: Next, offer home maintenance help you know they can't typically get up on their roof to fix things or go in the backyard and pull weeds or things of that nature.
• 30:02
  Mark Spence: Technology assistance you know they're not keeping up with the times.
• 30:07
  Mark Spence: You know, the things you think every time that there's an iOS update.
• 30:10
  Mark Spence: They don't know what that means.
• 30:11
  Mark Spence: Provide meals, home-cooked meals, something a little bit more than a microwavable burrito.
• 30:17
  Mark Spence: Check in regularly, you know.
• 30:21
  Mark Spence: Make those regular phone calls.
• 30:22
  Mark Spence: Assist with healthcare needs, accompany elderly individuals to doctor's appointments, help them to understand what the doctor is saying to them and provide assistance with medication management.
• 30:33
  Mark Spence: Support with financial matters.
• 30:36
  Mark Spence: A lot of the elderly are on fixed incomes and fixed incomes don't know anything about raising inflation prices.
• 30:45
  Mark Spence: You know they still have, and this is why it's not uncommon to hear about elderly going back to work and being a greeter at Walmart, and obviously there's nothing wrong with that, but it's not necessarily something that they plan for.
• 30:56
  Mark Spence: And ultimately you can see and Dave Ramsey talks about this that you can see elderly eating cat food.
• 31:03
  Mark Spence: You know, because it's cheaper than human food and they can find enough nourishment to keep going.
• 31:08
  Mark Spence: Advocate for their rights and warn them about scammers, because scammers love to target the elderly.
• 31:15
  Emeal Zwayne: Yeah, Wow, Mark, that's some good stuff.
• 31:18
  Emeal Zwayne: Nothing kills me more than to see an elderly person in a convalescent home that no one ever visits.
• 31:26
  Emeal Zwayne: Yeah, Can you imagine that?
• 31:28
  Emeal Zwayne: You know you've raised your family, your kids, you've put up with all the challenges of life and there you are in a convalescent home, almost like thrown away.
• 31:37
  Emeal Zwayne: Your family doesn't come, no one comes.
• 31:40
  Emeal Zwayne: You know we used to do a convalescent home ministry years ago, Mark, when we pastored at our church, and you know we would go and we would sing, you know, with these folks and read them the word and seek to be an encouragement, and you just see their faces light up, you know.
• 31:55
  Mark Spence: Yeah, I regularly would visit a convalescent home when my kids were little babies.
• 31:59
  Mark Spence: And you bring a little baby or a little toddler into a convalescent home, I'll tell you they light up.
• 32:05
  Ray Comfort: Or a dog.
• 32:06
  Ray Comfort: I snuck a dog in, snuck a dog In a bag A winter shish kebab?
• 32:10
  Emeal Zwayne: No, no, my own dog.
• 32:11
  Emeal Zwayne: Oh, you know, ray, you and Sue actually for a number of years looked after your elderly neighbor.
• 32:16
  Emeal Zwayne: Her name was Helen.
• 32:17
  Ray Comfort: Yeah.
• 32:18
  Emeal Zwayne: And she was, just I know, so grateful for what you guys did for her.
• 32:24
  Emeal Zwayne: Tell us a little bit about that story.
• 32:25
  Ray Comfort: Yeah, just started going over and saying hello and we took her a meal here and there and she got sick and she became bedridden and we'd call on her.
• 32:31
  Ray Comfort: It was tragic to open the door into a little house and say how are you, helen?
• 32:37
  Ray Comfort: And hear her say just the same.
• 32:40
  Ray Comfort: And it was like it every day.
• 32:42
  Ray Comfort: I'd try to hook up a television for her because she was lying in bed 24 hours a day.
• 32:47
  Ray Comfort: Can you imagine that?
• 32:47
  Emeal Zwayne: The boredom of that, and I was very frustrated in knowing how to keep her occupied during that time, but it was very sad, yeah, and you guys helped her with her finances, you helped her with caretakers, I mean because she was a widow, and this reminds me of James 1, 27,.
• 33:05
  Emeal Zwayne: Pure and undefiled religion before God and the Father exists to visit widows and orphans in their distress.
• 33:11
  Ray Comfort: Easy.
• 33:11
  Ray Comfort: I remember a picture on her wall of this little teenage girl and I used to look at it and think what a sweet little girl and it was Helen.
• 33:19
  Mark Spence: Wow.
• 33:20
  Ray Comfort: It was just a sweet little and that was a revelation for me.
• 33:22
  Emeal Zwayne: Yeah, yeah, her husband had passed away.
• 33:25
  Emeal Zwayne: She had no children and she only had, I think, a nephew that lived out of state.
• 33:28
  Emeal Zwayne: Yeah, but she had no one around.
• 33:30
  Emeal Zwayne: But that's what Christians do you know we should be.
• 33:34
  Emeal Zwayne: There should be no widows on our block that aren't looked after by us.
• 33:48
  Oscar Navarro: One of my greatest joys in life was making poached eggs or scrambled eggs or fried eggs.
• 33:50
  Oscar Navarro: I'd go around there and do the toast and bring it to her in bed and she loved it.
• 33:52
  Oscar Navarro: I love cooking.
• 33:52
  Oscar Navarro: I think it's unfortunate in our selfishness we see people around us as caricatures.
• 33:54
  Oscar Navarro: In our story, you know, there's my elderly neighbor and I don't think twice about it when they're when, to your point, they're people.
• 34:00
  Oscar Navarro: She was a 12 year old little girl when one time you know they have stories, and that was that, to your point, they're people.
• 34:03
  Oscar Navarro: She was a 12-year-old little girl one time you know they have stories, and that was that dawned on me in my early 20s.
• 34:06
  Oscar Navarro: You know, I went over to my grandma's house.
• 34:07
  Oscar Navarro: It was after I got saved.
• 34:08
  Oscar Navarro: I went over to my grandma's house to have dinner with her and we sat down and I'm ashamed to say it was the first time I grew up with this woman.
• 34:14
  Oscar Navarro: It was the first time where, like you, don't realize that your grandparents, they spend their whole lives out of joy asking about you.
• 34:25
  Oscar Navarro: But here, for the first time, I was asking about her, about her childhood, about her ambitions, about her first job, about her first car, and I mean she lit up to tell me these stories, you know, and I saw her as a whole different person, a whole new perspective, a life lived far beyond living with me.
• 34:46
  Oscar Navarro: And so and I mean that goes true too and older people in your church, like they've been walking with the Lord so much longer than you, man, to take someone like that out to coffee and to sit down and let them, to disciple you, to allow them to, you know, we often it's funny because in church planting you hear often like people want to go to churches with people in their same season of life I want their kids to be my kid's age and et cetera, et cetera, et cetera.
• 35:13
  Oscar Navarro: But there's so much to be gained by surrounding yourself with people that are not in your season of life, about people who can speak into your life, the people who have been in the season of your life, about people who can speak into your life, the people who have been in the season of your life, and that's a gift that the Lord is trying to offer us that we often overlook.
• 35:33
  Mark Spence: I had visited a convalescent home for about a year with the best man at my wedding, drew Davis, and we went in there and he had his guitar and they allowed us to go inside the room and ask we would ask the people, would it be okay if we sang and stuff?
• 35:48
  Mark Spence: And you'd be surprised how many people sang and they know these old hymns, they're just familiar with it.
• 35:50
  Mark Spence: And I remember there's this one elderly lady named Margaret and she apologized to us because she didn't get dressed up for the day and she was wearing what she normally wears all day long, which is her pajamas.
• 36:02
  Mark Spence: But on Tuesdays when we'd go and visit her, she would get dressed with the help of the orderly, and this was the one time that she would get dressed up.
• 36:09
  Mark Spence: We'd go and visit her and she it got to the place where she was not able to communicate.
• 36:15
  Mark Spence: You know very well and but I would read some scripture and she would finish the scripture, but she was not able to communicate outside of just the scripture.
• 36:27
  Mark Spence: And then we went in there one night to go and visit her and she had passed away.
• 36:32
  Mark Spence: She wasn't there but the week before she had died.
• 36:35
  Mark Spence: I remember going in there and she wasn't responsive in any way, shape or form.
• 36:38
  Mark Spence: I'd read scripture, she wasn't responding, she was kind of grunting and I prayed that the Lord would have mercy on her and I was praying about her departure and reading scripture to her and she was comforted.
• 36:51
  Mark Spence: And this one moment she was lifting up her hands.
• 36:56
  Mark Spence: She was like you know, take me, take me, take me, I'm ready to go.
• 36:59
  Mark Spence: And when we rounded the corner that following week to see her, we went in there, all excited to see her, and she wasn't there and the bed's just it's tidied up and there's now room for somebody else to take that bed.
• 37:11
  Mark Spence: And that's the circle of life, right that, we will now soon be where the elderly are at, and the elderly are going to be where their parents are at.
• 37:22
  Mark Spence: And I want to be a person who is just well spent for the glory of God, moment by moment, because we have to remember and I said this to my kids not too long ago that we have to remember that our parents and our grandparents are living their first life as much as you are.
• 37:38
  Mark Spence: And because they're living their first life, they're learning things as they go as well as you learn things you need to be able to be there for them.
• 37:48
  Emeal Zwayne: Wow, you know, when I was back at Biola University 18 years old and I started on campus there and there was this elderly gentleman named Ray Chandler and he used to be a missionary for Biola or he was from Biola, I think a graduate, and then he went on the mission field, he remained connected with the university, so it was so beautiful to see that when he retired they honored him, they gave him an apartment on campus a student apartment building.
• 38:17
  Emeal Zwayne: They gave him free food he could eat in the cafeteria all the time and he became like the campus grandpa.
• 38:23
  Emeal Zwayne: That's so cool.
• 38:24
  Emeal Zwayne: And he became my very, very close friend.
• 38:27
  Emeal Zwayne: I kind of adopted him as a grandpa.
• 38:28
  Emeal Zwayne: He adopted me as his grandson.
• 38:30
  Emeal Zwayne: I never knew either of my grandfathers.
• 38:32
  Emeal Zwayne: They died before I was born and so it was so cool not just to have him kind of as an adopted grandpa but as a godly one, and I would just go at his apartment, I'd take a nap in between classes.
• 38:43
  Emeal Zwayne: Sometimes We'd hang out in fellowship, we'd eat together and I'd sit there and he would weep.
• 38:52
  Emeal Zwayne: He'd weep, you know, over just seeing God move in a young life and I know that that was stirring in him memories of his youth and him serving the Lord in those days of his youth and, I think, also just being loved, you know, being cared for.
• 39:10
  Emeal Zwayne: I mean, ray, they're just discarding the elderly.
• 39:12
  Emeal Zwayne: Today Mark talked about that petition and the arrogance in young people thinking they're not ever going to be there, you know, and maybe their lives will be snuffed out short because they don't honor the elderly, you know, because they're wicked in that regard.
• 39:25
  Ray Comfort: I think for Christians it's part of being salt and light caring for the elderly.
• 39:31
  Ray Comfort: I find it difficult to witness to people that are older than me always have if I'm on a plane and someone's older.
• 39:38
  Ray Comfort: It was just a difficult mountain to climb for me.
• 39:41
  Ray Comfort: But it's an unfounded fear, because often elderly people are thinking about their immortality more than young people, and so we shouldn't be afraid to say what do you think happens after you die, Grandpa?
• 39:55
  Ray Comfort: You don't have to talk to them about lust straight away and all these things that make us feel uncomfortable.
• 39:59
  Ray Comfort: Just ask for their opinion.
• 40:00
  Ray Comfort: That's really helped me.
• 40:01
  Ray Comfort: Once again, with elderly people, do you think there's an afterlife?
• 40:04
  Ray Comfort: And even sometimes I've been witnessing to some people and it's happened on the pier and just locally I'd ask how old they are.
• 40:11
  Ray Comfort: They'd here and just locally I'd ask how old they are.
• 40:13
  Ray Comfort: I'd say I'm 73.
• 40:13
  Ray Comfort: I'd say your time's up, isn't it?
• 40:16
  Ray Comfort: I'd say you're close to death.
• 40:18
  Ray Comfort: I'm that age too.
• 40:18
  Ray Comfort: We could be snuffed out tonight.
• 40:20
  Ray Comfort: So this is deadly serious, and so we've got to be bold with the elderly.
• 40:25
  Ray Comfort: As well as putting our arm around them, we've got to share the gospel with them, amen.
• 40:30
  Emeal Zwayne: Their greatest need is the gospel.
• 40:32
  Emeal Zwayne: Leviticus, or Proverbs 20,.
• 40:33
  Emeal Zwayne: Leviticus 19.32 says you shall rise before the gray-headed and honor the presence of an old man and fear your God.
• 40:41
  Emeal Zwayne: I am the Lord.
• 40:42
  Emeal Zwayne: That's the biblical standard you rise and honor before the gray-headed and you honor the presence of an old man.
• 40:51
  Emeal Zwayne: Proverbs 20.
• 40:52
  Emeal Zwayne: 29, the glory of young men is their strength and the splendor of old men is their gray head.
• 40:57
  Emeal Zwayne: I hate gray hair but it's indicative of, you know, years of life lived and of wisdom.
• 41:05
  Emeal Zwayne: You know Proverbs 16, 31,.
• 41:07
  Emeal Zwayne: The silver-haired head is a crown of glory.
• 41:11
  Emeal Zwayne: It is found in the way of righteousness.
• 41:13
  Emeal Zwayne: You know, and, mark, there's that element.
• 41:16
  Emeal Zwayne: You know.
• 41:16
  Emeal Zwayne: Yeah, ray, what's up, ray?
• 41:17
  Emeal Zwayne: Where's your gray head, ray?
• 41:19
  Ray Comfort: I hate gray hair yeah.
• 41:20
  Ray Comfort: I hate yellow teeth and gray hair.
• 41:22
  Ray Comfort: I'm going to whiten my teeth and color my hair Ray just.
• 41:25
  Ray Comfort: I'm growing old.
• 41:26
  Ray Comfort: Disgracefully, I'm not going.
• 41:28
  Ray Comfort: Gracefully, ray, just surrender to the process.
• 41:34
  Oscar Navarro: No, I'm fighting every second of it.
• 41:35
  Oscar Navarro: I'm holding on to my energy.
• 41:37
  Ray Comfort: Ray, what was the Davidic kingdom like?
• 41:39
  Ray Comfort: And I had what do you call it?
• 41:41
  Ray Comfort: On your eyes.
• 41:41
  Ray Comfort: I forgot that operation.
• 41:42
  Emeal Zwayne: LASIK I had.
• 41:43
  Ray Comfort: LASIK.
• 41:44
  Mark Spence: Oh yeah, that was fun.
• 41:45
  Mark Spence: God said let there be light.
• 41:47
  Mark Spence: Yeah.
• 41:50
  Emeal Zwayne: Ray flipped the switch.
• 41:50
  Emeal Zwayne: But, mark, you know the wisdom gained by people that have been around longer than this wisdom.
• 41:55
  Emeal Zwayne: Job 12, 12,.
• 41:56
  Emeal Zwayne: Wisdom is with the aged men and with length of days understanding.
• 42:01
  Mark Spence: Yeah, you do well to listen to the counsel of the elderly.
• 42:03
  Mark Spence: Obviously, if they're not saved, you need to measure everything against the weight of what the Word of God says.
• 42:11
  Mark Spence: But you can learn a lot from somebody who's gone before you, learn a lot from somebody who's gone before you, a lot from somebody who's gone before you.
• 42:17
  Mark Spence: Learn in the sanctuary, not in the storm Anybody can learn in the storm but if you learn in the sanctuary through somebody else's mistakes, through somebody else who's gone before you, then you're wisdom, then you're filled with wise, filled with wisdom because you're wise.
• 42:29
  Ray Comfort: I think it's interesting that I don't know who said it, but when kids 15 years old, when they're a teenager, they know everything.
• 42:36
  Ray Comfort: And then, when they hit 21, they realize they don't know anything and their dad knows everything.
• 42:41
  Ray Comfort: Yeah, when it's too late, yeah, that's so true, yeah, and I love this.
• 42:47
  Ray Comfort: People who are born elderly.
• 42:48
  Emeal Zwayne: It would really help.
• 42:48
  Emeal Zwayne: Benjamin Buttons right Proverbs 23, 22,.
• 42:57
  Emeal Zwayne: Listen to your father who begot?
• 42:58
  Emeal Zwayne: you and do not despise your mother when she is old.
• 43:00
  Emeal Zwayne: That's so important.
• 43:00
  Emeal Zwayne: And then, 1 Timothy 5, do not rebuke an older man, but exhort him as a father, younger men as brothers.
• 43:08
  Emeal Zwayne: That's our calling toward older men that we treat them as though they're our fathers and man, you can bless older people, yeah, by all the things.
• 43:16
  Emeal Zwayne: Mark shared what Oscar and Ray talked about going and visiting them, spending time with them, talking to them, just listening to what they have to say.
• 43:26
  Emeal Zwayne: That touches them in ways that you can't even fathom or even comprehend.
• 43:30
  Ray Comfort: I used to go around and listen to george denson, the elderly minister that I thought had died.
• 43:34
  Ray Comfort: Oh, yeah, when I was sitting next to his bed, but he hadn't.
• 43:36
  Ray Comfort: But I'd sit and listen to him tell me stories about the first world war yeah again and again and again, because he forgot that he had told me before.
• 43:44
  Ray Comfort: So I used to count the flowers on the um wallpaper as he was telling me the story because I'd heard the stories before right, but you're serving that way, that's right I didn't want to let him know that I heard the story before, because he is getting great joy out of telling me that in the First World War men were so fearful to go into battle.
• 44:01
  Ray Comfort: He would read Psalm 91 to them.
• 44:03
  Ray Comfort: Yeah, and they'd hang on to every word.
• 44:05
  Emeal Zwayne: It's a way to serve them.
• 44:06
  Emeal Zwayne: That's awesome.
• 44:06
  Emeal Zwayne: I want to read this thing as we close.
• 44:09
  Emeal Zwayne: That was written it's kind of well-known online.
• 44:12
  Emeal Zwayne: I don't know who the author of it is, but it came back to mind as I was prepping and I found it.
• 44:17
  Emeal Zwayne: This is like a parent writing to their younger child.
• 44:21
  Emeal Zwayne: It says the day you see me, I'm getting old.
• 44:24
  Emeal Zwayne: I ask you to please be patient, but, most of all, try to understand what I'm going through.
• 44:28
  Emeal Zwayne: If, when we talk, I repeat the same thing a thousand times, don't interrupt to say you said the same thing a minute ago.
• 44:35
  Emeal Zwayne: Just listen.
• 44:36
  Emeal Zwayne: Please Try to remember the times when you were little and I would read the same story night after night until you would fall asleep when I don't want to take a bath.
• 44:45
  Emeal Zwayne: Don't be mad and don't embarrass me.
• 44:47
  Emeal Zwayne: Remember when I had to run after you, making excuses and trying to get you to take a shower when you were just a girl.
• 44:53
  Emeal Zwayne: When you see how ignorant I am when it comes to new technology, give me the time to learn and don't look at me that way.
• 45:00
  Emeal Zwayne: Remember, honey, I patiently taught you how to do many things, like eating appropriately, getting dressed, combing your hair and dealing with life's issues every day.
• 45:10
  Emeal Zwayne: The day you see me.
• 45:10
  Emeal Zwayne: See, I'm getting old.
• 45:12
  Emeal Zwayne: I ask you to please be patient, but most of all, try to understand what I'm going through.
• 45:17
  Emeal Zwayne: If I occasionally lose track of what we're talking about, give me the time to remember, and if I can't, don't be nervous, impatient or arrogant.
• 45:25
  Emeal Zwayne: Just know in your heart that the most important thing for me is to be with you, and when my old, tired legs don't let me move as quickly as before, give me your hand, the same way that I offered mine to you when you first walked.
• 45:38
  Emeal Zwayne: When those days come, don't feel sad.
• 45:40
  Emeal Zwayne: Just be with me and understand me while I get to the end of my life with love, I'll cherish and thank you for the gift of time and joy we shared with a big smile and the huge love I've always had for you.
• 45:52
  Emeal Zwayne: I just want to say I love you, my darling daughter.
• 45:57
  Ray Comfort: How come you didn't cry with that?
• 45:58
  Ray Comfort: I know?
• 46:01
  Emeal Zwayne: But yeah, you know, it's just remembering, remembering what our parents have done for us and friends.
• 46:13
  Emeal Zwayne: I just want to encourage you this is an opportunity for many of you listening right now to heed the conviction of the Spirit of God.
• 46:16
  Emeal Zwayne: When's the last time you visited your grandma or your grandpa?
• 46:19
  Emeal Zwayne: When's the last time you picked up the phone to call your parents, not to ask them for something, but to just tell them you love them and how much you appreciate them, how grateful you are for them?
• 46:28
  Emeal Zwayne: When was the last time you went over to that elderly neighbor's house to see if there's anything you can do for them, or just to get them something to bless them?
• 46:34
  Emeal Zwayne: Man, we need to really step back and examine our hearts.
• 46:39
  Emeal Zwayne: We are on our way there and my hope is that we recognize we can be a conduit in love, and we always talk about people being made in the image of God when we're talking about babies.
• 46:50
  Emeal Zwayne: Those elderly people still bear the image of God and we need to love that image of God in them and love them.
• 46:59
  Ray Comfort: You can't be dumb after that.
• 47:01
  Emeal Zwayne: I will be, though.
• 47:02
  Emeal Zwayne: There you have it, friends.
• 47:05
  Emeal Zwayne: I don't want to leave you somber and sad and depressed.
• 47:08
  Emeal Zwayne: So yeah, don't forget to check out Scientific Facts in the Bible 100 Reasons to Believe the Bible is Supernatural in Origin.
• 47:14
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• 47:16
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• 47:21
  Emeal Zwayne: Thank you for joining us, friends.
• 47:23
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• 47:37
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