Latest / The Evolution of Evil - True Crime Stories / Serial Killer Documentary - Sarah Williams and Katrina Walsh
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- 0:06Speaker 1: January the 7th, 2016, Helmshaw, Lancashire, England. 60-year-old Sadie Hartley
- 0:15Speaker 1: was home alone around 9 p.m. in the evening when
- 0:18Speaker 1: she answered the doorbell. Standing there with a bunch of
- 0:23Speaker 1: flowers was Katrina Walsh, a woman Sadie had never met.
- 0:28Speaker 2: Sadie asked her who the flowers were from, and Walsh
- 0:30Speaker 2: just kind of uttered something like,' I don't remember,' and
- 0:33Speaker 2: then scuffled away.
- 0:35Speaker 1: This was a dry run for a murder plot meticulously
- 0:38Speaker 1: planned by two women.
- 0:40Speaker 3: And all the while, Sarah Williams was hiding behind a
- 0:43Speaker 3: parked car, watching her prey.
- 0:45Speaker 1: Seven days later, when Sadie answered the doorbell again, 500,000
- 0:50Speaker 1: volts of electricity knocked her to the floor.
- 0:54Speaker 4: Essentially, there was no chance that she would survive it.
- 0:59Speaker 1: Sadie Hartley lay helpless as she was stabbed to death
- 1:02Speaker 1: by Sarah Williams.
- 1:04Speaker 5: It was a crime of obsession, of arrogance, of barbarity.
- 1:11Speaker 5: But above all, it was a crime of pure evil.
- 1:16Speaker 1: In four minutes and 40 seconds, Sarah Williams had dispensed
- 1:21Speaker 1: of Sadie Hartley. She calmly left the scene and returned
- 1:25Speaker 1: to her accomplice, Katrina Walsh. After 17 months of planning,
- 1:30Speaker 1: an innocent woman lay dead. A woman Sarah Williams and
- 1:35Speaker 1: Katrina Walsh didn't even know, making them two of the
- 1:39Speaker 1: world's most evil killers. 1993, the Wirral, Northwest England. 12-year-old
- 2:10Speaker 1: Sarah Williams was passionate about horses and a very good
- 2:14Speaker 1: equestrian sportswoman.
- 2:17Speaker 5: She met a riding instructor much older than she was,
- 2:21Speaker 5: a good 20 years or more older than she was,
- 2:23Speaker 5: called Katrina Walsh, at a local riding stables.
- 2:27Speaker 1: Despite the age gap, the two women bonded through their
- 2:31Speaker 1: shared love of horses... and became firm friends. Over the
- 2:36Speaker 1: next few years, they formed an intense, almost inseparable relationship.
- 2:43Speaker 2: When people saw the friendship, the very close friendship between
- 2:46Speaker 2: Williams and Walsh, because they spent so much time together
- 2:51Speaker 2: in and out of each other's houses, in each other's
- 2:53Speaker 2: pockets all the time, I think there were some suspicions
- 2:57Speaker 2: that they were more than just friends, that this was
- 2:59Speaker 2: an intimate relationship.
- 3:01Speaker 1: As Williams grew up, she became known as an incorrigible
- 3:05Speaker 1: flirt and had a series of male lovers.
- 3:08Speaker 2: I think Williams does very much see men as a challenge,
- 3:12Speaker 2: especially married men. I think this idea of going out
- 3:16Speaker 2: and turning on the charm and having somebody fall for you,
- 3:20Speaker 2: it's something that she finds quite appealing.
- 3:22Speaker 1: When Sarah Williams set her sights on a man, no
- 3:26Speaker 1: one was going to get in her way. Her best friend,
- 3:29Speaker 1: Katrina Walsh, was only too willing to help her get
- 3:33Speaker 1: what she wanted. And what Sarah Williams wanted was a
- 3:37Speaker 1: man called Ian Johnston, whom she was in a relationship with.
- 3:41Speaker 4: He describes her being really friendly and them getting on
- 3:46Speaker 4: straight away. And then one night, after they'd known each
- 3:50Speaker 4: other For a few months, she turns up at his
- 3:53Speaker 4: house in a short skirt, red heels, and the intimacy
- 3:59Speaker 4: was immediate, and the relationship was physical straightaway.
- 4:05Speaker 1: Williams had met the man she wanted to marry, but
- 4:08Speaker 1: he and Johnston had a long-term partner called Sadie Hartley.
- 4:13Speaker 1: Williams and Walsh decided that Sadie Hartley was a problem
- 4:17Speaker 1: that needed to go away.
- 4:20Speaker 3: This didn't happen in the heat of the moment. This
- 4:22Speaker 3: was a murder plot that these two women had spent
- 4:26Speaker 3: 17 months planning, and I think that's what makes it
- 4:30Speaker 3: so horrific. This wasn't a crime of passion. This was
- 4:36Speaker 3: a crime of obsession. She was obsessed with Sadie Hartley's partner,
- 4:41Speaker 3: Ian Johnston. She wanted to get rid of her, and
- 4:45Speaker 3: she did.
- 4:46Speaker 1: Williams and Walsh thought they'd committed the perfect murder. They
- 4:50Speaker 1: were in it together until they were caught.
- 4:54Speaker 5: Williams maintains her innocence steadfastly and Walsh confesses but doesn't
- 5:00Speaker 5: confess to killing Hartley herself. She says Williams did it.
- 5:05Speaker 5: The friendship is fractured. Williams absolutely brazenly fronts it up
- 5:13Speaker 5: and says, nothing to do with me. Williams is still
- 5:18Speaker 5: living in her own parallel universe.
- 5:24Speaker 1: These killer stories begin in 1960. Katrina Walsh was born
- 5:29Speaker 1: on February the 4th in Middlesex. Sarah Williams was born
- 5:35Speaker 1: 21 years later on the 8th of May, 1981, in Merseyside.
- 5:41Speaker 5: Sarah Williams was an only child, daughter of an electrician,
- 5:47Speaker 5: Perfectly reasonable, apparently, as a girl. Had a lazy eye.
- 5:51Speaker 5: We saw her get bullied a bit at school. She
- 5:55Speaker 5: went to a private school. Well-educated and capable. Very capable.
- 6:02Speaker 2: But when she got into her teens, as she grew older,
- 6:06Speaker 2: she realised that she was quite attractive to men. And
- 6:09Speaker 2: this was something that she really seized upon. So those
- 6:13Speaker 2: feelings of shame and inadequacy that she'd had when she
- 6:16Speaker 2: was younger, they were counteracted by this validation that she
- 6:21Speaker 2: got from the attention of men.
- 6:24Speaker 1: Sarah Williams and Katrina Walsh met in 1993. Williams loved
- 6:31Speaker 1: horses and went to the riding school where Walsh stabled
- 6:35Speaker 1: her own horse and was a riding instructor. They became
- 6:39Speaker 1: firm and enduring friends.
- 6:42Speaker 5: Was there a sexual relationship between Sarah Williams and Katrina Walsh,
- 6:45Speaker 5: a woman much, much older than her, who suffered from
- 6:48Speaker 5: terrible alopecia and almost no hair? She was almost always
- 6:52Speaker 5: wearing a bandana or a hat or a cap. If
- 6:55Speaker 5: you look at the pictures of them both, they couldn't
- 6:58Speaker 5: be more different. But there was something very strong, something
- 7:02Speaker 5: very powerful keeping that relationship together.
- 7:06Speaker 2: When Williams was 13 years old, she claimed to have
- 7:10Speaker 2: been assaulted by a man who had stopped to fix
- 7:14Speaker 2: his car. And this was an allegation that the police
- 7:17Speaker 2: took very seriously and they investigated it. There were appeals
- 7:22Speaker 2: for information from the public put out at the time.
- 7:26Speaker 2: So this is a very pivotal moment in Williams' life,
- 7:30Speaker 2: whether or not this story was a true one.
- 7:34Speaker 1: Nobody was ever charged with the abduction, and there were
- 7:38Speaker 1: suspicions that Williams had made the whole story up. In 1999,
- 7:46Speaker 1: when Sarah Williams was 17 years old and still at school,
- 7:50Speaker 1: she met 57-year-old married father David Hardwick at the riding school.
- 7:57Speaker 5: Hardwick is a shadowy figure throughout this story. Hardwick is
- 8:01Speaker 5: her benefactor, her sugar daddy, He gives her enormous amounts
- 8:05Speaker 5: of money over the years. He's married to someone much
- 8:08Speaker 5: more of his own age. They never divorce. Williams knows
- 8:12Speaker 5: from a very early age that the power her sexual
- 8:15Speaker 5: drive has, and she uses it to her full advantage.
- 8:21Speaker 1: Sarah Williams left school at the age of 18. From
- 8:23Speaker 1: 2005 to 2013, she worked for a bank selling personal insurance.
- 8:32Speaker 1: In 2006, she moved away from home and bought her
- 8:36Speaker 1: first house, largely bankrolled by David Hardwick, who also paid
- 8:41Speaker 1: her a weekly allowance of 320 pounds.
- 8:46Speaker 5: Hardwick is a consistent support to Williams throughout her life. Now,
- 8:52Speaker 5: you can speculate about why. You can speculate about what
- 8:56Speaker 5: was Hardwick getting out of it. On the surface, not
- 9:01Speaker 5: very much. apart, I suspect, from a great deal of sex.
- 9:08Speaker 1: William's best friend, Katrina Walsh, married her husband, Kevin, in 1984,
- 9:15Speaker 1: nine years before she met Sarah Williams.
- 9:18Speaker 2: Walsh was quite an eccentric character. She was somebody who
- 9:23Speaker 2: shared William's love of horse riding, and that is how
- 9:27Speaker 2: they met. She was into tarot cards. She was quite
- 9:30Speaker 2: heavily tattooed. And she was a biker. She was interested
- 9:34Speaker 2: in motorbikes. And these were some passions that she shared
- 9:38Speaker 2: with her husband, Kevin.
- 9:41Speaker 5: And Kevin and Katrina, and then, believe it or not,
- 9:44Speaker 5: Hardwick and Williams, develop a sort of foursome. And they
- 9:49Speaker 5: go on expeditions together. In a horse box, they take
- 9:53Speaker 5: their horses. It's got sleeping accommodation. It's a very big
- 9:57Speaker 5: horse box. And at one point, Kevin Walsh, Katrina's husband,
- 10:02Speaker 5: describes it as a purple passion wagon. And then in 2008,
- 10:08Speaker 5: Katrina Walsh and Kevin divorce. He's had an affair with
- 10:10Speaker 5: somebody else. He goes off. He moves to Kattrick in
- 10:13Speaker 5: North Yorkshire and leaves the Wirral behind him.
- 10:16Speaker 4: He felt that the relationship between Sarah Williams and Katrina
- 10:20Speaker 4: Walsh was dysfunctional.
- 10:23Speaker 5: There was always this.
- 10:24Speaker 4: Thing where he felt like if he hadn't left, Katrina
- 10:28Speaker 4: would never have got as close as she did with
- 10:31Speaker 4: Sarah because he would have been there to stop that
- 10:33Speaker 4: from happening.
- 10:34Speaker 5: But Williams was also a long way from being monogamous.
- 10:39Speaker 5: I think she had a great many affairs, probably to
- 10:42Speaker 5: the consternation or perhaps to the amusement of Hardwick. He
- 10:47Speaker 5: certainly didn't seem to object.
- 10:49Speaker 1: The day before her 30th birthday, Sarah Williams was driving
- 10:54Speaker 1: on the M60 motorway in Manchester when she passed the
- 10:58Speaker 1: unique structure of the city's indoor ski center, the Chill Factory.
- 11:03Speaker 1: She now knew what she wanted as a birthday present
- 11:06Speaker 1: from her boyfriend, David Hardwick.
- 11:10Speaker 2: Hardwick was not as enthusiastic about Williams' new hobby as
- 11:14Speaker 2: she was, because he was slightly older, perhaps less inclined
- 11:19Speaker 2: to engage in this kind of vigorous physical activity. But
- 11:23Speaker 2: Williams dragged him along, and I think part of her
- 11:26Speaker 2: enjoyed the attention that she got from men at the
- 11:30Speaker 2: Chill Factory, but also the jealousy, I think, that Hardwick
- 11:34Speaker 2: would have felt when he saw these relationships developing.
- 11:38Speaker 1: Williams and Hardwick became regulars at the Chill Factory. Williams
- 11:43Speaker 1: loved being there so much, she left her job to
- 11:46Speaker 1: join a ski travel company based in the complex as
- 11:49Speaker 1: a sales advisor.
- 11:51Speaker 5: Williams, who is by now a rather athletic woman, she's
- 11:55Speaker 5: more than 5'10, she's strong, big shoulders, muscular body, rapidly
- 12:02Speaker 5: becomes a really rather good skier. She really enjoys it.
- 12:07Speaker 5: It becomes her second home, almost. Selling insurance is not
- 12:13Speaker 5: quite as much fun as the dry ski slopes.
- 12:16Speaker 1: While working at the chill factory, Sarah Williams had several
- 12:20Speaker 1: romantic affairs, mainly with married men who were ski instructors.
- 12:26Speaker 2: The affairs that she has with married men, they only
- 12:29Speaker 2: end when she decides that they have ended, and when
- 12:32Speaker 2: the men decide that they've had enough, she reacts very
- 12:35Speaker 2: badly indeed.
- 12:39Speaker 1: In August 2013, Sarah Williams met 57-year-old retired fireman Ian Johnston,
- 12:47Speaker 1: an expert telemark skier who was working as an instructor
- 12:51Speaker 1: at the Chill Factory.
- 12:54Speaker 5: He's actually been in a relationship for some time at
- 12:57Speaker 5: this point, for a number of years, with a businesswoman,
- 13:01Speaker 5: a tiny bit older than he is in her later
- 13:03Speaker 5: 50s at this point, called Sadie Hartley. But it's been
- 13:07Speaker 5: on and off. And Johnston, well, he falls for the flirt.
- 13:13Speaker 5: He falls for the femme fatale, or as she was
- 13:17Speaker 5: later to describe herself, the she-devil.
- 13:23Speaker 1: Sarah Williams and Ian Johnston's illicit relationship was developing rapidly.
- 13:29Speaker 1: Williams began telling her friends that she'd met her ideal
- 13:33Speaker 1: man and she was determined.
- 13:35Speaker 5: To keep him. We have an extraordinary series of relationships.
- 13:42Speaker 5: We have Williams and Walsh, closer now that Kevin Walsh
- 13:47Speaker 5: has gone off. We have Williams and Hardwick. We have
- 13:53Speaker 5: Williams and Johnston. And we have Johnston and Sadie Hartley.
- 13:58Speaker 5: A great amalgam of relationships. All of them in a
- 14:03Speaker 5: way driven by Williams' sexual desire.
- 14:07Speaker 1: Sarah Williams was besotted with Ian Johnston. Although he was
- 14:12Speaker 1: no longer seeing Sadie when he met Williams, they remained close.
- 14:17Speaker 4: He was definitely somebody who, you know, was very confident
- 14:22Speaker 4: with women, was used to getting lots of attention, enjoyed
- 14:27Speaker 4: that attention. And so the fact that he ended up
- 14:32Speaker 4: having this affair with Sarah Williams felt like it could
- 14:38Speaker 4: easily have happened with his sort of personality type.
- 14:41Speaker 3: Sarah Williams would watch for when Ian Johnston would come
- 14:46Speaker 3: to the Chill Factory. She would get colleagues to tell
- 14:49Speaker 3: her if his car was in the car park. Ian
- 14:52Speaker 3: Johnston was her perfect man. He was a man that
- 14:55Speaker 3: she wanted to marry. So I guess she saw... Sadie
- 14:59Speaker 3: Hartley as the obstacle to that. She was the enemy,
- 15:03Speaker 3: and she had to be got rid of.
- 15:07Speaker 1: Sadie Hartley lived in the village of Helmshaw in Lancashire.
- 15:13Speaker 1: She was a divorced mother with two adult children, a
- 15:18Speaker 1: successful woman who ran her own medical conference business, and
- 15:22Speaker 1: she also loved riding her horse that she kept at
- 15:25Speaker 1: a local stable. In September 2014, Sarah Williams sent a
- 15:32Speaker 1: letter to Sadie Hartley.
- 15:35Speaker 4: In this letter, Sarah Williams personally attacks Sadie Hartley and
- 15:42Speaker 4: adds in that the sex with Ian is fantastic and
- 15:49Speaker 4: they can't get enough of each other and essentially said
- 15:52Speaker 4: they were having sex all the time. and it was
- 15:56Speaker 4: the best sex she'd ever had.
- 16:00Speaker 2: And what is actually said within the letter is very
- 16:05Speaker 2: revealing about the kind of person that Williams is. She
- 16:09Speaker 2: is not putting the responsibility onto Ian. She's putting all
- 16:13Speaker 2: of the responsibility onto Sadie. This isn't about Ian's continual
- 16:17Speaker 2: decision to engage in an affair with her. This is
- 16:20Speaker 2: about Sadie acting as the barrier to her having a
- 16:24Speaker 2: more full relationship with Ian Johnston.
- 16:28Speaker 3: But the letter didn't work to split them up because
- 16:32Speaker 3: it was just a few weeks later that, in fact,
- 16:35Speaker 3: Sadie and Ian moved in together.
- 16:38Speaker 2: She thinks that she's justified in behaving in this way.
- 16:42Speaker 2: She feels entitled to this man. So all of the
- 16:45Speaker 2: behavior that she engages in, she thinks is perfectly reasonable.
- 16:50Speaker 1: The letter did not deter Sadie Hartley or disrupt her
- 16:53Speaker 1: relationship with Ian Johnston.
- 16:56Speaker 5: Well, that just makes Williams even more furious. She hasn't
- 17:00Speaker 5: managed to split up Hartley and Johnston to get Johnston back.
- 17:05Speaker 5: In fact, rather the opposite. I think probably Johnston felt
- 17:09Speaker 5: more loyal now to Sadie Hartley than he had done before.
- 17:14Speaker 1: In October 2014, before moving in with Sadie Hartley, Ian
- 17:19Speaker 1: Johnston officially ended his relationship with Sarah Williams.
- 17:25Speaker 2: What has just been a bit of fun, I think,
- 17:28Speaker 2: on his part, he decides to call an end to this.
- 17:31Speaker 2: But Williams doesn't accept this. She's the one who's in
- 17:35Speaker 2: control in her relationship. She decides when they're over, and
- 17:39Speaker 2: she simply does not accept his decision.
- 17:42Speaker 1: Johnston's physical relationship with Williams was over, but they continued
- 17:47Speaker 1: to text and see each other at the Chill Factory,
- 17:50Speaker 1: where they both worked.
- 17:52Speaker 4: These text messages were, like, quite explicit in nature. There
- 17:56Speaker 4: were naked images in them. So although... Ian said their
- 18:01Speaker 4: relationship had come to an end, there was an aspect
- 18:04Speaker 4: of the relationship that was still going on.
- 18:06Speaker 2: But she attached meaning to that communication that wasn't actually there.
- 18:10Speaker 2: So it shows just how completely at odds both of
- 18:13Speaker 2: these individuals were in terms of their understanding of what
- 18:16Speaker 2: their relationship really was.
- 18:19Speaker 5: At some point in the late summer of 2014, Williams
- 18:28Speaker 5: and Walsh begin to have what are could only be
- 18:31Speaker 5: called chilling conversations about getting rid of Williams's love rival,
- 18:40Speaker 5: Sadie Hartley. Walsh starts to keep a diary of these conversations.
- 18:48Speaker 5: At one point, I think she writes in it, she
- 18:51Speaker 5: does sound like a totally evil bitch of Sadie Hartley.
- 18:56Speaker 5: Nothing could, in fact, have been further from the truth
- 18:58Speaker 5: But nevertheless, this is the venom that is supplied to
- 19:02Speaker 5: Walsh by Williams.
- 19:05Speaker 3: There were all sorts of things that Katrina Walsh wrote
- 19:08Speaker 3: in that diary which really revealed, I suppose, what her
- 19:13Speaker 3: true feelings were about what was going on.
- 19:18Speaker 1: The fantasy of dispensing with Sadie Hartley became an obsessive
- 19:22Speaker 1: pastime for Williams and Walsh.
- 19:25Speaker 2: For this to go on for the period of time
- 19:27Speaker 2: that it did, there were multiple opportunities for Walsh to
- 19:31Speaker 2: put the brakes on it, to go and tell the police,
- 19:33Speaker 2: to tell a friend, to actually get something done about
- 19:37Speaker 2: what was going to happen, to basically stop this from happening,
- 19:41Speaker 2: but she chose not to.
- 19:44Speaker 1: By August 2015, ten months after Ian Johnston had officially
- 19:49Speaker 1: ended ended his relationship with Sarah Williams, a murder plot
- 19:53Speaker 1: that should have stayed in the realms of fantasy was
- 19:57Speaker 1: becoming ever more real.
- 19:59Speaker 5: In the late summer of 2014, Walsh suggests to Williams
- 20:02Speaker 5: that she approach Walsh's ex-husband, Kevin, who happens to be
- 20:07Speaker 5: a keen archer. to become, would you believe it, a
- 20:12Speaker 5: hitman and kill Sadie Hartley. Well, Kevin Walsh is absolutely
- 20:19Speaker 5: having none of it. Absolutely turns it down flat. It's ridiculous.
- 20:26Speaker 5: By this point, they've begun to enter what you might
- 20:29Speaker 5: describe as a parallel universe.
- 20:32Speaker 4: There were burner phones acquired. It was something akin to
- 20:36Speaker 4: a plot in a spy novel.
- 20:39Speaker 3: And.
- 20:40Speaker 4: Whilst they were planning all of this, at the same time,
- 20:44Speaker 4: Katrina Walsh was detailing every single part of their planning
- 20:51Speaker 4: in her diary. So literally every little thing that they did,
- 20:57Speaker 4: she would put a note in her diary.
- 21:00Speaker 5: So they've got burner phones. Now they know that Johnston,
- 21:04Speaker 5: who moved in with Sadie Hartley in November 2014, but
- 21:07Speaker 5: they don't know where He lives with her. They don't
- 21:10Speaker 5: know where Sadie Hartley's house is. So, believe it or not,
- 21:14Speaker 5: they buy a tracker device for his car, which Sarah
- 21:18Speaker 5: Williams puts on his car.
- 21:20Speaker 1: Sarah Williams bought the first tracker on Katrina Walsh's credit card.
- 21:25Speaker 1: The tracker led them to the house Sadie Hartley now
- 21:29Speaker 1: shared with Ian Johnston in Helmshaw. the two women embarked
- 21:34Speaker 1: on several reconnaissance missions to familiarize themselves with the property
- 21:39Speaker 1: and surrounding location.
- 21:43Speaker 5: So the plan is escalating quite steadily. There's been the
- 21:49Speaker 5: poison pen letter, the attempt to hire Kevin. We've got
- 21:54Speaker 5: the burner phones. We have the tracker device on fire.
- 21:58Speaker 5: in Johnston's car. We now know where Johnston and Sadie
- 22:02Speaker 5: Hartley live. So they decide, and I think this is
- 22:07Speaker 5: a time when perhaps Katrina Walsh makes a bigger contribution.
- 22:12Speaker 5: Katrina suggests to Sarah Williams that it's gonna be much
- 22:16Speaker 5: easier to kill Sadie Hartley if she has a stun gun.
- 22:23Speaker 1: Second of December, 2015, Greater Manchester. It was the night
- 22:28Speaker 1: of the Chill Factory's Christmas party. The first tracker placed
- 22:33Speaker 1: on Ian Johnston's car had failed. While the party was
- 22:38Speaker 1: in full swing, Sarah Williams left the party and attached
- 22:42Speaker 1: a second tracker to Ian Johnston's car.
- 22:46Speaker 2: So she buys this tracking device that she puts on
- 22:48Speaker 2: Ian Johnston's vehicle, and there are times when she has
- 22:52Speaker 2: to remove it from the vehicle, and when she does,
- 22:55Speaker 2: she's carrying it around in her own handbag And what
- 22:57Speaker 2: she doesn't realise is that the company she's bought the
- 23:00Speaker 2: tracker from are also able to access the data that
- 23:04Speaker 2: the tracker is sending out. So this is a really
- 23:08Speaker 2: ill-conceived plan. It's very badly thought through.
- 23:12Speaker 5: The two women, Williams and Walsh, spend hours together plotting
- 23:17Speaker 5: what they think and hope will be the perfect murder.
- 23:20Speaker 5: Walsh is overjoyed at the involvement and Williams is utterly determined.
- 23:25Speaker 5: They're going to kill. Sadie Hartley, come what may.
- 23:30Speaker 1: On the 9th of December 2015, Sarah Williams and Katrina
- 23:35Speaker 1: Walsh boarded a ferry from Hull to Rotterdam and drove
- 23:39Speaker 1: to Germany to buy a stun gun.
- 23:42Speaker 4: Then it starts to really feel like they're actively thinking
- 23:46Speaker 4: about doing it because now they're purchasing weapons.
- 23:52Speaker 1: Early in the new year, on January the 4th, 2016,
- 23:55Speaker 1: Sarah Williams sent a text to Katrina Walsh.
- 24:01Speaker 5: Williams says to Walsh, the time's coming, go and do
- 24:05Speaker 5: your shopping. And so Walsh goes to Tesco and buys
- 24:08Speaker 5: a considerable kitchen knife and uses her club card, so
- 24:12Speaker 5: there can't be any doubt about who bought the kitchen knife.
- 24:15Speaker 1: Walsh was captured on CCTV at a Tesco supermarket in Broughton,
- 24:20Speaker 1: buying a large kitchen knife. The following day, on January 5th,
- 24:26Speaker 1: Sarah Williams retrieved the tracker from Ian Johnston's car. Again,
- 24:32Speaker 1: she placed the tracker in her handbag without turning it off.
- 24:40Speaker 1: On January the 6th, Ian Johnston went to Switzerland on
- 24:44Speaker 1: a skiing holiday. Sadie Hartley was going to join him
- 24:48Speaker 1: ten days later. Until then, she was home alone in Helmshaw.
- 24:55Speaker 1: Williams and Walsh knew Ian Johnston was out of the way,
- 24:59Speaker 1: safely in Switzerland. They knew where Sadie Hartley lived, but
- 25:04Speaker 1: neither of them knew her by sight. they decided that
- 25:09Speaker 1: a final reconnaissance mission was needed, a dry run for
- 25:13Speaker 1: the murder.
- 25:15Speaker 3: The pair decided that they would drive up together to Lancashire.
- 25:20Speaker 3: They bought a cheap bunch of flowers from Tesco, and
- 25:27Speaker 3: the pair drove up.
- 25:29Speaker 5: To her road.
- 25:31Speaker 3: They got out of the car, walked up the street,
- 25:37Speaker 3: And Katrina Walsh walked up to Sadie Hartley's door, knocked
- 25:43Speaker 3: on the door and delivered these flowers in person. And
- 25:49Speaker 3: all the while, Sarah Williams was hiding behind a parked
- 25:52Speaker 3: car watching her pray. And when Sadie Hartley asked who
- 25:59Speaker 3: the flowers were from, Katrina Walsh said she couldn't remember
- 26:03Speaker 3: and she ran off.
- 26:05Speaker 2: Here you have this person in front of you who
- 26:08Speaker 2: is a human being, somebody who's asking you a question,
- 26:12Speaker 2: and I think this is the first time that Sadie
- 26:15Speaker 2: becomes that real living, breathing person that Walsh has been
- 26:20Speaker 2: writing about quite abstractly in her diaries.
- 26:25Speaker 1: Sadie Hartley was unnerved by the delivery of the bunch
- 26:29Speaker 1: of flowers and the strange woman who delivered them. She
- 26:33Speaker 1: contacted Ian Johnston in Switzerland, who knew nothing about the
- 26:37Speaker 1: creepy delivery as Sadie described it to him. For the
- 26:44Speaker 1: practice run, Katrina Walsh had driven to Helmshaw in her
- 26:48Speaker 1: own car. Williams decided it would be unwise to use
- 26:54Speaker 1: their personal vehicles on the night of the real event.
- 26:58Speaker 1: On Sunday, January the 10th, 2016, Sarah Williams set about
- 27:03Speaker 1: looking for a suitable second vehicle.
- 27:07Speaker 5: So they have to buy a car that won't be
- 27:10Speaker 5: identified as belonging to either of them. Williams and Walsh
- 27:14Speaker 5: search for one and eventually purchase an elderly Renault Clio.
- 27:19Speaker 5: But they do more than that. They also make sure
- 27:22Speaker 5: that the number plate, which is on the Clio, is
- 27:26Speaker 5: changed so it doesn't get recognised by the automated number
- 27:30Speaker 5: recognition system used by most British police forces. And Walsh
- 27:35Speaker 5: does quite a clever job of turning the number three
- 27:37Speaker 5: into the number eight within a black tape.
- 27:41Speaker 1: On Tuesday, January the 12th, 2016, Sarah Williams made what
- 27:46Speaker 1: she thought was another clever move.
- 27:50Speaker 2: Williams purchased a pair of boots that were several sizes
- 27:53Speaker 2: too large for her so that that would throw the
- 27:56Speaker 2: police off the scent and they would think that the
- 27:58Speaker 2: perpetrator was somebody who was male or at least somebody
- 28:01Speaker 2: who was much bigger than she was.
- 28:04Speaker 1: On the 14th of January, Sarah Williams went to work
- 28:08Speaker 1: at the Chill Factory as normal. At 3pm, she texted
- 28:13Speaker 1: David Hardwick to tell him she was feeling unwell and
- 28:17Speaker 1: going home early. An hour later, Hardwick visited Williams at
- 28:25Speaker 1: home and left soon after. A little while later, Hardwick
- 28:31Speaker 1: received a text from Williams. Just had another cup of tea.
- 28:37Speaker 1: Going to switch light off and have a nap now.
- 28:40Speaker 1: Will ring when I wake up as long as not late.
- 28:44Speaker 1: Katrina Walsh arrived at Sarah Williams' home. Several minutes later,
- 28:50Speaker 1: the two women emerged from the house and walked to
- 28:53Speaker 1: the parked Renault Clio. Walsh returned alone to Williams' home.
- 29:03Speaker 5: On the night of the 14th of January, 2016, Walsh
- 29:08Speaker 5: drives to Williams' home and stays there, incidentally, to look
- 29:14Speaker 5: after Sarah Williams' dog as well as everything else. while
- 29:18Speaker 5: Sarah Williams takes the Renault Clio, which has been hidden
- 29:22Speaker 5: in a car park nearby, and drives it from there
- 29:26Speaker 5: to Sadie Hartley's house. Sadie Hartley that day has been
- 29:32Speaker 5: at work in a perfectly normal way in her office.
- 29:37Speaker 5: She goes home at the end of the afternoon and
- 29:38Speaker 5: in fact goes out to tend to her horse in
- 29:41Speaker 5: the Sables. She gets back to the house about half
- 29:46Speaker 5: past seven.
- 29:49Speaker 3: Sarah Williams parked her car and very calmly walked up
- 29:54Speaker 3: to Sadie Hartley's door. And as soon as Sadie Hartley
- 29:59Speaker 3: opened the door, She lunged at her with this stun gun,
- 30:04Speaker 3: incapacitating her. And then she stabbed her over 40 times.
- 30:13Speaker 3: And the whole murder, the whole attack took just four
- 30:16Speaker 3: minutes and 40 seconds.
- 30:23Speaker 1: After 17 months of meticulous planning, Sadie Hartley, the woman
- 30:28Speaker 1: standing between Sarah Williams and the love of her life,
- 30:31Speaker 1: Ian Johnston, was dead.
- 30:34Speaker 5: So in four minutes, she has ended the life of
- 30:38Speaker 5: Sadie Hartley with 41 stab wounds. It's the most depraved, disgusting,
- 30:46Speaker 5: horrifying crime. You cannot imagine the brutality of that.
- 30:51Speaker 1: And yet.
- 30:53Speaker 5: Sarah Williams is as cool as could be. She's very careful.
- 30:56Speaker 5: She closes the door. She takes the murder weapon with
- 30:59Speaker 5: her and, of course, the stun gun back to the car,
- 31:04Speaker 5: gets in the car, drives back to Katrina Walsh.
- 31:09Speaker 1: Williams met Walsh at a designated rendezvous in a car
- 31:13Speaker 1: park at Ellesmere Port. They abandoned the Renault Clio and
- 31:18Speaker 1: drove home in Walsh's car. Once home, Williams had a
- 31:25Speaker 1: plan to cover their tracks.
- 31:27Speaker 2: She gave all of the evidence, all of the incriminating
- 31:32Speaker 2: evidence to Walsh to get rid of. So she just
- 31:35Speaker 2: wants it off her plate. She doesn't want any connection
- 31:38Speaker 2: with these items. And she believes that Walsh is just
- 31:41Speaker 2: going to dispose of them. And Williams will later ensure
- 31:45Speaker 2: that there is no forensic evidence on her. She'll have
- 31:48Speaker 2: a bath. She'll have a bit of a cleanup when
- 31:49Speaker 2: she gets home. But all of that really compelling evidence
- 31:53Speaker 2: is now in the hands of Walsh.
- 31:57Speaker 1: The following day, Williams went to work at the chill
- 32:00Speaker 1: factory as normal. Katrina Walsh also went to work at
- 32:06Speaker 1: Collins Farm Stables, taking the incriminating evidence with her.
- 32:14Speaker 2: Most of us, when we hurt someone, when we upset somebody,
- 32:17Speaker 2: we feel guilty about it. We feel bad. We're not
- 32:20Speaker 2: quite ourselves afterwards. But Williams is completely different. She's able
- 32:24Speaker 2: to just pick up and get on with her life.
- 32:27Speaker 2: And I'm sure she's thinking about the next stage of
- 32:29Speaker 2: the plan here of getting Ian Johnston back.
- 32:34Speaker 1: The day after the murder on Friday the 15th of January,
- 32:38Speaker 1: a concerned colleague of Sadie Hartley's called the police, who
- 32:42Speaker 1: went to the house in Helmshaw and found her lying
- 32:45Speaker 1: dead in the hallway. Former Detective Superintendent David Swindle has
- 32:52Speaker 1: been the attending senior officer at numerous murder scenes.
- 32:57Speaker 6: One of the big things is looking at the victim,
- 33:01Speaker 6: is to find out what there is in the victim's
- 33:03Speaker 6: life that would lead to a possible motive, and the
- 33:07Speaker 6: victim and the associates. So the victim's associate was Johnston.
- 33:14Speaker 6: He was on a skiing holiday at the time, so
- 33:17Speaker 6: he was contacted. And when he was contacted, he spoke
- 33:21Speaker 6: about an obsessive ex-partner, and the police identified who that
- 33:28Speaker 6: was with the assistance of Johnston.
- 33:31Speaker 1: Johnston also told the police about the strange late-night delivery
- 33:35Speaker 1: of flowers Sadie had told him about the previous week.
- 33:40Speaker 1: The information provided by Johnston to the police was enough
- 33:44Speaker 1: for them to bring Sarah Williams in for questioning. On Sunday,
- 33:49Speaker 1: the 17th of January, 2016, she was arrested.
- 33:54Speaker 2: Williams was arrested at 3 o'clock in the morning when
- 33:58Speaker 2: she was at her own home. Her demeanor was quite calm.
- 34:02Speaker 2: It was quite cool. She didn't appear to be freaking out.
- 34:06Speaker 2: She didn't appear to be overly upset or overly distressed.
- 34:10Speaker 2: And this was a persona that she maintained throughout her
- 34:13Speaker 2: police interview. She seemed very unaffected by the fact that
- 34:17Speaker 2: she was being arrested for the most serious of crimes.
- 34:21Speaker 1: When questioned, Sarah Williams denied any knowledge or involvement in
- 34:26Speaker 1: the murder of Sadie Hartley. After four interviews, she declined
- 34:31Speaker 1: to answer any further questions and only replied, no comment.
- 34:37Speaker 1: The police then began investigating the strange flower delivery on
- 34:42Speaker 1: the evening of the 7th of January.
- 34:45Speaker 2: The UK is one of the world's most watched nations
- 34:48Speaker 2: in terms of the CCTV and surveillance that we have here.
- 34:53Speaker 2: So every element of the planning of this murder was
- 34:56Speaker 2: captured on CCTV. There was AMPR data as well, automatic
- 35:01Speaker 2: number plate recognition. So there was this digital trail that
- 35:05Speaker 2: these two killers left behind them.
- 35:07Speaker 1: On the night of January 7th, the night of the
- 35:10Speaker 1: dry run, CCTV from Sadie's neighbor's house revealed a figure
- 35:15Speaker 1: of about 5'6 wearing a baseball cap. It was unclear
- 35:19Speaker 1: if this person was male or female. Then the police
- 35:23Speaker 1: traced the movements of a silver Vauxhall captured driving towards Helmshaw,
- 35:28Speaker 1: stopping at a Tesco store in Haslingdon and arriving near
- 35:32Speaker 1: Sadie Hartley's home. The owner of the car was Katrina Walsh.
- 35:38Speaker 1: On Monday, the 18th of January, 2016, Katrina Walsh was
- 35:43Speaker 1: arrested at the riding stables where she worked. Unlike Sarah Williams,
- 35:49Speaker 1: Katrina was unable to stay quiet.
- 35:53Speaker 2: Walsh absolutely spills the beans. Before she even gets into
- 35:56Speaker 2: the interview room, she's telling the custody sergeant absolutely everything
- 36:01Speaker 2: about what's happened, to the extent that the custody sergeant
- 36:05Speaker 2: actually has to say to her, stop, save this.
- 36:07Speaker 5: For the interview.
- 36:08Speaker 2: So the contrast between these two suspects is really striking.
- 36:12Speaker 4: She wants to frame me for it or kill me
- 36:14Speaker 4: and frame me for it.
- 36:15Speaker 1: Walsh claimed that Williams had committed the murder and that
- 36:18Speaker 1: she had unwittingly been caught up in it. she accompanied
- 36:22Speaker 1: the police to the stables where she worked and revealed
- 36:26Speaker 1: where she'd hidden all the incriminating evidence.
- 36:29Speaker 4: Everything that had been used in the murder was right
- 36:32Speaker 4: there for them. So, in the ground, you had the knife,
- 36:38Speaker 4: the stun gun and the boots, the boots which had
- 36:42Speaker 4: some of Sadie Hartley's blood on them. And in the eaves,
- 36:46Speaker 4: you've got Katrina Walsh's diaries which detail... in, you know,
- 36:50Speaker 4: sort of minute detail of how they planned Sadie Hartley's murder.
- 36:56Speaker 1: And the police also discovered that Sarah Williams hadn't been
- 36:59Speaker 1: as clever as she thought in disposing of incriminating evidence.
- 37:04Speaker 2: When she got home, she had a shower or a bath.
- 37:07Speaker 2: She cleaned up with bleach. But there were things that
- 37:10Speaker 2: she missed, so the police were able to get some
- 37:14Speaker 2: trace evidence from the bath where there were traces of
- 37:18Speaker 2: Sadie's DNA. They found on Sarah's spectacles some particles of
- 37:23Speaker 2: blood that had been transferred during the murder. So she
- 37:27Speaker 2: thought that she'd done a good cleanup, but she certainly hadn't.
- 37:30Speaker 5: Williams is now in custody under suspicion. Walsh is now
- 37:35Speaker 5: in custody under suspicion. And Walsh provides, essentially, the evidence
- 37:42Speaker 5: to convict Williams. She has always maintained that throughout the
- 37:47Speaker 5: plot that they hatched together, she was never going to
- 37:49Speaker 5: be at what she called the sharp end of the killing.
- 37:52Speaker 5: She wasn't going to do the killing. She was just
- 37:54Speaker 5: going to assist. But of course, British law insists that
- 37:57Speaker 5: if you are collaborative in a murder, you are equally
- 38:01Speaker 5: guilty of murder.
- 38:06Speaker 1: January 20th, 2016. Sarah Williams and Katrina Walsh were charged
- 38:14Speaker 1: with the murder of Sadie Hartley. Both women denied murdering her.
- 38:22Speaker 1: On August 3rd, 2016, the trial of Sarah Williams and
- 38:27Speaker 1: Katrina Walsh began at Preston Crown Court.
- 38:31Speaker 3: They both pointed the finger at each other, but of
- 38:35Speaker 3: course the prosecution gave a motive. Sarah Williams was to
- 38:42Speaker 3: get rid of her love rival, who she thought was
- 38:44Speaker 3: standing in the way of her being with her perfect man,
- 38:47Speaker 3: Ian Johnston. And the motive they gave for Katrina Walsh
- 38:52Speaker 3: was to help her friend, but also that she found
- 38:58Speaker 3: the idea of plotting this murder very exciting.
- 39:03Speaker 4: Just the salacious nature of it, everything that came out
- 39:07Speaker 4: in court, the level of planning that they went through.
- 39:12Speaker 4: And the fact that they were two women who murdered
- 39:17Speaker 4: another woman, and for what really? A sordid affair that
- 39:22Speaker 4: was no longer even happening. And the way that they
- 39:27Speaker 4: kind of viewed it as some kind of game. and
- 39:30Speaker 4: they forgot in all of that that it wasn't a game,
- 39:34Speaker 4: and they weren't in a novel, and they weren't characters,
- 39:37Speaker 4: and that she was actually a person.
- 39:42Speaker 1: Sarah Williams decided to take the stand in her defense.
- 39:47Speaker 5: There was.
- 39:49Speaker 3: Absolutely no sense of remorse there. The prosecution, I remember,
- 39:55Speaker 3: were trying to talk about Sadie Hartley's family, her daughter,
- 40:00Speaker 3: who had just got engaged, and trying to get her
- 40:04Speaker 3: to think about how the family would feel about their
- 40:08Speaker 3: murdered mother. Sarah Williams stood in the dock, very calm
- 40:14Speaker 3: and very arrogant, very nonchalant. and just denied having anything to.
- 40:20Speaker 5: Do with it.
- 40:22Speaker 1: Unlike Sarah Williams, Katrina Walsh chose not to defend herself
- 40:27Speaker 1: in court.
- 40:28Speaker 2: Walsh's conduct in court was quite different from that of Williams.
- 40:33Speaker 2: Whilst Williams was quite confident, quite self-assured, Walsh just kind
- 40:37Speaker 2: of shrunk into herself, and her conduct was quite similar
- 40:40Speaker 2: to that of her early police interviews. So she didn't
- 40:44Speaker 2: make eye contact with anybody. She sat with her head down.
- 40:47Speaker 2: And this is a very kind of childlike response to
- 40:50Speaker 2: the situation in which she finds herself. She just wants
- 40:53Speaker 2: it all to go away and that if I don't
- 40:56Speaker 2: look at people, they can't look at me.
- 40:59Speaker 1: The trial lasted for seven weeks. On August 17th, 2016,
- 41:06Speaker 1: Sarah Williams and Katrina Walsh were found guilty of the
- 41:10Speaker 1: murder of Sadie Hartley.
- 41:12Speaker 5: So Sarah Williams was.
- 41:14Speaker 3: Sentenced to life in prison with a minimum of 30
- 41:17Speaker 3: years and another life sentence for Katrina Walsh, but a
- 41:21Speaker 3: minimum of 25 years. And despite Katrina Walsh not actually
- 41:26Speaker 3: being there at the murder scene on the night of
- 41:30Speaker 3: the murder, she was found to be just as culpable
- 41:34Speaker 3: and just as guilty.
- 41:37Speaker 1: When handing down the sentences, the trial judge was unrestrained
- 41:42Speaker 1: in his summations.
- 41:44Speaker 5: Mr Justice Turner, in his sentencing remarks, points out that
- 41:51Speaker 5: in contrast to the life-affirming good spirits of Sadie Hartley,
- 41:57Speaker 5: these are two vile, despicable women. And he says, and
- 42:02Speaker 5: I quote, but let no one make the mistake of
- 42:07Speaker 5: thinking this is a crime of passion. It was a
- 42:11Speaker 5: crime of obsession. of arrogance, of barbarity. But above all,
- 42:21Speaker 5: it was a crime of pure evil.
- 42:27Speaker 1: When Sarah Williams wanted a man, no one was going
- 42:31Speaker 1: to get in her way. Any love rival.
- 42:34Speaker 5: Became an enemy.
- 42:36Speaker 1: Katrina Walsh was her willing accomplice, thrilled by the game
- 42:40Speaker 1: of catching their prey. Sadie Hartley had no idea she
- 42:45Speaker 1: was part of their sick game when she was ruthlessly
- 42:49Speaker 1: murdered by these two women, making Sarah Williams and Katrina
- 42:53Speaker 1: Walsh two of the world's most evil killers.