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Murder In Moscow: The Goncalves Family And The Constant Delays · Beyond The Horizon

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  Speaker 1: What's up everyone and welcome back to the program. We
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  Speaker 1: haven't had very much Brian Koberger news to talk about recently,
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  Speaker 1: but today we have several new documents that have hit
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  Speaker 1: the court docket and we're going to get to those
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  Speaker 1: documents for sure. We have some new TikTok warrants, we
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  Speaker 1: have a Microsoft warrant, and we have a meta platforms
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  Speaker 1: warrant as well. So we're going to dive into all
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  Speaker 1: of those and we'll get them added to the catalog
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  Speaker 1: over the weekend. But before we dive into those, there
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  Speaker 1: is an article out from ABC News that touches on
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  Speaker 1: how the Gonsalves family is basically desperate for a trial
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  Speaker 1: date to be set. And can you blame them? Imagine
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  Speaker 1: your daughter was brutally murdered in the manner that their
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  Speaker 1: daughter was murdered, and then not having a trial date,
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  Speaker 1: not knowing when justice is going to be served, thinking
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  Speaker 1: you're going to have a trial date, and then have
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  Speaker 1: it all just swept away from you. It's the same
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  Speaker 1: kind of situation that we saw down in Delphi. It's
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  Speaker 1: no good for anybody. And when this sort of thing happens,
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  Speaker 1: of course, as a family member or a loved one,
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  Speaker 1: you're going to be pissed off and you're going to
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  Speaker 1: want it to be rectified. But on the flip side
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  Speaker 1: of that, we have to remember that there is a
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  Speaker 1: process here and the American justice system as we all know,
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  Speaker 1: grind slowly. So when you have somebody like Brian Kohlberger
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  Speaker 1: who is facing the kind of charges that he's facing,
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  Speaker 1: it's going to be a process to get the trial
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  Speaker 1: even underway. And while I could sit here until the
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  Speaker 1: cows come home and tell you I understand why, and
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  Speaker 1: I understand why the state would do that and why
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  Speaker 1: the process is what it is, that doesn't make it
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  Speaker 1: any easier for the Gonsalves family. That doesn't make it
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  Speaker 1: any easier for the loved ones who want to see
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  Speaker 1: justice done here. And hopefully we get a trial date
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  Speaker 1: relatively soon. I've said from the beginning that I think
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  Speaker 1: it's going to be this summer sometime. And then the
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  Speaker 1: prosecutor came out and said pretty much the same thing.
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  Speaker 1: That that's what they're shooting for. They want it to
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  Speaker 1: be a summer trial as well. And what that does
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  Speaker 1: is it alleviates some of the logistical problems, right? Not
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  Speaker 1: as many people in the city. students aren't around, and
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  Speaker 1: makes it just a lot easier for everybody involved. However,
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  Speaker 1: it's going to be a circus-like atmosphere. There's going to
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  Speaker 1: be people coming out of the woodwork to go up
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  Speaker 1: there and get a look at what's going on. Thankfully,
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  Speaker 1: since it's streaming, I won't have to go up there
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  Speaker 1: and be part of the problem that is inevitably coming.
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  Speaker 1: And let's remember that Moscow is a pretty small place.
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  Speaker 1: It's not a place that's used to a bunch of,
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  Speaker 1: you know, people coming in from out of town and
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  Speaker 1: descending on the city for drama. Sure, they come there
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  Speaker 1: for football games and festivals, stuff like that. But for
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  Speaker 1: something like this, all this drama, you're going to be
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  Speaker 1: dealing with all kinds of personalities from all over the globe,
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  Speaker 1: not just America. So the summer was always the proper time,
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  Speaker 1: in my opinion. All right, so the article that we're
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  Speaker 1: going to dive into is from ABC News and the headlines.
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  Speaker 1: parents of University of Idaho victim Kaylee Gonsalves, desperate for
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  Speaker 1: a trial date to be set as case returns to court.
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  Speaker 1: And remember, Brian Kohlberger has a court date today and
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  Speaker 1: it's going over some of the sealed information, some of
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  Speaker 1: the other issues that we've been dealing with for quite
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  Speaker 1: some time now. Is judge going to make a decision?
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  Speaker 1: Is there going to be resolution? We don't know, but
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  Speaker 1: hopefully there is some resolution that at the end of
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  Speaker 1: the proceedings today. This article was authored by Emily Shapiro,
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  Speaker 1: Nicholas Ciarone, Kano Whitworth, and Timmy Trong. So they have
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  Speaker 1: four authors for this piece? This piece is not very big.
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  Speaker 1: I don't know how they needed four authors for it,
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  Speaker 1: but here we are. The family of Kaylee Gonsalves, one
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  Speaker 1: of four students killed in the University of Idaho murders,
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  Speaker 1: is desperate for a trial date to be set as
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  Speaker 1: the case returns to court on Friday. Gonsalves, 21, one
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  Speaker 1: of five siblings in a close-knit family, was killed in
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  Speaker 1: November 2022, just weeks before she was set to graduate
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  Speaker 1: college early and move to Texas to start her career.
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  Speaker 1: And if you remember, Kaylee had moved out at this
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  Speaker 1: point And she was just visiting Maddie and her friends
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  Speaker 1: to show them her new whip. She goes there, shows
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  Speaker 1: them her new car, stays the night. And this sick,
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  Speaker 1: demented son of a bitch creeps into the room and
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  Speaker 1: does what he does. Can you imagine what her family
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  Speaker 1: is going through? Imagine what her dad, her mom, her brothers,
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  Speaker 1: her sisters, how they all feel. And then you turn
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  Speaker 1: on the TV and you see this guy getting delays.
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  Speaker 1: You see the trial being, you know, paused for 37 days, etc., etc.,
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  Speaker 1: and that can't be a good feeling. So yeah, I
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  Speaker 1: understand completely where the family is coming from. And I've
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  Speaker 1: said it before, they're acting with a lot more dignity
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  Speaker 1: and a lot more respect than I would be. The
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  Speaker 1: degree in ignorance that I picked up living on the
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  Speaker 1: east side of Las Vegas for the last, oh, I
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  Speaker 1: don't know, 30 years would be on full display. I mean,
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  Speaker 1: are you kidding right now? And the people out here
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  Speaker 1: that have criticized Mr. Gonsalves for his statements, for his commentary,
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  Speaker 1: Them kind of people need to get some act right.
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  Speaker 1: This is a dude who just lost his daughter, and
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  Speaker 1: you're going to tell him how he should respond that
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  Speaker 1: he's being too forceful, that he's going to hurt the investigation?
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  Speaker 1: I mean, come on. The people that were saying that,
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  Speaker 1: or people that are still saying it, are people that
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  Speaker 1: probably shouldn't be taken seriously. The family is in limbo
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  Speaker 1: until a trial begins, Kelly's mom, Christy Gonsalves, told ABC News.
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  Speaker 1: She said Kaylee's siblings don't want to take new jobs,
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  Speaker 1: move away, and risk missing the proceedings. Talk about having
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  Speaker 1: your whole entire life put on pause in the middle
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  Speaker 1: of this great tragedy. Now you have the siblings not
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  Speaker 1: wanting to move, not wanting to start their lives. all
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  Speaker 1: because some sick son of a bitch who the government
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  Speaker 1: tells us is Brian Kohlberger decided to creep in, like
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  Speaker 1: the little bitch-ass coward he is, and murder them? When
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  Speaker 1: I talk about volcanoes and helicopter rides, this is exactly
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  Speaker 1: the kind of person and the kind of crime that
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  Speaker 1: I'm talking about. The high-profile case has also largely been
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  Speaker 1: veiled in secrecy due to a gag order in place,
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  Speaker 1: and the Gonsalves family thinks more information needs to be revealed.
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  Speaker 1: I am 1000% on board with that, I've said from
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  Speaker 1: the jump that the gag order is way too broad
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  Speaker 1: in scope and that it needs to be adjusted. Now,
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  Speaker 1: Judge Judge did adjust the gag order, but not well
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  Speaker 1: enough in my opinion. The Supreme Court says that a
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  Speaker 1: gag order needs to be tailored to the smallest extent, right?
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  Speaker 1: Does that seem to be what's going on here? The
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  Speaker 1: least amount of information gagged? Sure doesn't seem like the
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  Speaker 1: truth to me. So how is it that this gag
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  Speaker 1: order wasn't struck down? Well, I'll tell you why. And
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  Speaker 1: that's because the courts in general, they love to use
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  Speaker 1: these gag orders now and they use them very liberally.
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  Speaker 1: They have no chill when it comes to using a
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  Speaker 1: gag order. At the end of the day, they don't
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  Speaker 1: care about transparency. Keep that in mind. It keeps being
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  Speaker 1: locked away from people and it encourages it pretty much manifests.
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  Speaker 1: An environment where speculation and rumors and conspiracies thrive, said
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  Speaker 1: Kaylee's dad, Steve Gonsalves. Another thing I've said from the jump,
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  Speaker 1: just be transparent. And one thing I learned with the
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  Speaker 1: whole entire Jeffrey Epstein investigation is that transparency is probably
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  Speaker 1: the most important thing. If you want to get to
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  Speaker 1: the bottom of something and you really want to know
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  Speaker 1: what happened, there has to be a transparent trail to follow.
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  Speaker 1: Not just a narrative that's been crafted, not just a
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  Speaker 1: narrative that's been built, but actual evidence that you can
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  Speaker 1: follow along with. But when there's a gag order, obviously,
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  Speaker 1: that's a lot more difficult to do. In the early
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  Speaker 1: hours of November 13th, 2022, roommates Kaylee Gonsalves, Madison Mogan,
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  Speaker 1: and Zanna Kernodle, as well as Kernodle's boyfriend, Ethan Chapin,
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  Speaker 1: were stabbed to death in the girls' off-campus home. Two
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  Speaker 1: other roommates survived. And just to be clear, Kaylee wasn't
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  Speaker 1: living here at the time. She was a roommate previously,
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  Speaker 1: but she had moved back in with her parents as
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  Speaker 1: she was preparing to graduate from school to move to Texas.
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  Speaker 1: She was just there to show Maddie and her friends
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  Speaker 1: her car. Steve and Christy Gonsalves said there was an
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  Speaker 1: indication their daughter fought for her life. The way the
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  Speaker 1: bedroom was set up, Steve Gonsalves said, if someone came in,
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  Speaker 1: you can't get out of that room. Completely, totally trapped.
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  Speaker 1: Christy Gonsalves said, the bed was the entire room, could
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  Speaker 1: barely open up the door without swiping the foot of
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  Speaker 1: the bed. The suspect, Brian Kohlberger, who was a criminology
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  Speaker 1: PhD student at nearby Washington State University at the time
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  Speaker 1: of the gruesome crime, was arrested weeks later. He is
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  Speaker 1: pleaded not guilty to four counts of first-degree murder and
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  Speaker 1: one count of burglary. And there were signs, according to
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  Speaker 1: the reports that we've seen, that there was a struggle.
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  Speaker 1: Remember initially we heard that everybody was asleep when this
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  Speaker 1: attack happened? Well, that wasn't the case. And there certainly
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  Speaker 1: was a struggle with at least some of these roommates.
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  Speaker 1: The house where the four students were killed was demolished
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  Speaker 1: on December 28th, 2023, despite objections from the Gonsalves. and
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  Speaker 1: Kernodle families. The Gonsalves family said knocking down the house
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  Speaker 1: would destroy one of the most critical pieces of evidence
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  Speaker 1: in the case before a trial date was even set.
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  Speaker 1: And I said that too. I don't understand why you'd
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  Speaker 1: want to get rid of the house before there's a trial. Look,
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  Speaker 1: I understand the overall feeling to get rid of it
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  Speaker 1: so it's not an eyesore in the city, doesn't bring
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  Speaker 1: up memories, I get it. But how about we wait
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  Speaker 1: until the trial is over? I don't want to hear
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  Speaker 1: any BS down the road about, oh, I wish we
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  Speaker 1: had the house to go to. Because if we do
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  Speaker 1: hear that... there is going to be hell to pay.
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  Speaker 1: Jurors are notoriously unpredictable and they tend to make decisions
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  Speaker 1: on a variety of facts and circumstances. The family said
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  Speaker 1: in a statement last month, it would be foolish for
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  Speaker 1: us to try and foresee what they will want or
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  Speaker 1: need to make a just verdict in this case. University
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  Speaker 1: President Scott Green said in December, it's time for its
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  Speaker 1: removal and to allow the collective healing for our community
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  Speaker 1: to continue. After the trial was delayed earlier this fall,
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  Speaker 1: both the prosecution and the defense asked for access to
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  Speaker 1: the house and have gone into the house in the
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  Speaker 1: last two months. Neither has asked for the house to
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  Speaker 1: be retained. Chapin's family also supported the demolition, and there
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  Speaker 1: has been a split. The Chapin family has won a
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  Speaker 1: different way. They're not being angry here. They're not following
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  Speaker 1: along with the investigation or the trial, they say, and
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  Speaker 1: they're just going to let justice take place. Meanwhile, the
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  Speaker 1: Gonzalez family, well, we know that they're active. They're actively
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  Speaker 1: participating in what's going on, and they plan on holding
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  Speaker 1: the prosecution, the state, and everybody involved accountable, and I
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  Speaker 1: can't say that I blame them. Christy Gonsalves said that
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  Speaker 1: when university officials notified her via email that the house
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  Speaker 1: would be demolished over winter break, she lost it. Then,
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  Speaker 1: on the morning of December 28th, I was waiting for
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  Speaker 1: a Hail Mary, she said. I was in denial, and
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  Speaker 1: I turned on the TV, and the house was being
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  Speaker 1: torn down. How does your heart not go out to
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  Speaker 1: these people? Remember, we just went through the holidays, no Christmas,
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  Speaker 1: no New Year's, no Thanksgiving, none of that with their
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  Speaker 1: loved ones. And that's because some sicko, who the government
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  Speaker 1: tells us is Brian Koberger, decided to kill them. The
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  Speaker 1: equipment was actually taking a swipe at Kaylee's room right
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  Speaker 1: when I turned on the TV. She said it was horrible.
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  Speaker 1: The Gonsalveses are hoping a trial date will be set Friday.
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  Speaker 1: At a Friday court appearance, there will be arguments over
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  Speaker 1: Koberger's request for Judge John Judge to reconsider his decision
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  Speaker 1: not to toss out the charges. Good luck with that.
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  Speaker 1: Judge Judge has been pretty consistent in the way he's
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  Speaker 1: went about this, and I don't see that changing anytime soon.
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  Speaker 1: Koberger's defense had previously made two different attempts to get
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  Speaker 1: the indictment dismissed. In one, the defense argued that the
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  Speaker 1: grand jury was given inaccurate instructions and that they used
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  Speaker 1: the wrong standard of proof. In the other, the defense
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  Speaker 1: argued that prosecutors withheld evidence that might aid Koberger in
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  Speaker 1: defending himself and bias the grand jury. The judge denied
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  Speaker 1: both in December. We got to get this case over,
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  Speaker 1: Steve Gonsalves said. Let's do it. Let's stop playing these
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  Speaker 1: delay tactics. Let's just get it done. If convicted, Koberger
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  Speaker 1: could face the death penalty. Christy Gonsalves said justice is
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  Speaker 1: such a hard word for me because there is no justice.
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  Speaker 1: Him dying is not going to bring her back. This
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  Speaker 1: is like a book. Christy Gonsalves added, that chapter will
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  Speaker 1: be closed, but the book never will be, she said.
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  Speaker 1: So after he has his court appearance today, we'll have
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  Speaker 1: an update tomorrow about what went down during the proceedings.
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  Speaker 1: So hopefully there's some movement one way or the other,
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  Speaker 1: and tomorrow we'll have an update talking about everything that
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  Speaker 1: went down. All of the information that goes with this
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  Speaker 1: episode can be found in the description box.