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Why Do You Create? Drake Follow Up, DJ Envy, Jussie Smollett, Tupac Trial - #68 · The Grounded Show

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You could bet your ass that we're back with another episode or the ground to
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show it is the boys here once again. What episode is this sixty seventy,
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sixty eight or sixty seven. I'm not so sure. Only time will
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tell ye. That's some favorite thing about time, the way it tells yo.
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Man. We're gonna jump into this news real quick. It's not really
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anything too crazy, but it's definitely something that we can give some good quick
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thoughts on. We're gonna start off hot. Jesse Smilette enters rehab after extremely
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difficult past few years. As y'all know, Jesse Smollett was the guy that
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you know, uh, he proclaimed a hate crime and they ended up deciding
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that he was lying and he set it up himself. There was a situation,
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Yeah, there was a situation where Chicago wanted him to pay back all
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the may hours and police, you know, work that he made everybody go
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through for no reason basically, and it's saying now he is, uh in
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rehab. What do y'all think about this? Where is he from power?
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Right? No? No, No, that was I believe empire, Empire.
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I like him longer, I don't can't have too much about him outside
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of that. It's a legend. Yeah, I don't know anything about him.
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I never watched anything that he was in, but definitely I could see
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how, you know, going through that is rough to bounce back from.
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Man, if he's going to rehab. I don't know if the problem started
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before that was going on or after, but definitely something you need help for.
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So hopefully buddy he gets right, right. I know, he had
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just some time right like six months or something like that in jail, Yeah,
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I believe. So, you know that they ended up finding him guilty
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of a felony disorderly conduct from lying to the police, sentenced one hundred and
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fifty days and thirty months probation. So yeah, it was. It was
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a pretty big deal when it happened. I remember it was, I believe.
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Yeah, it was twenty nineteen. You know, it was pretty much
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at the height of a lot of the race things that were going on in
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the United States, as far as rioting and as far as the highlighting of
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the injustices going on. So it was definitely not the time to be playing
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around with something like that. Yeah, that's sure. I remember when I
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went down and the court case. Yeah, man, I mean I think
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from go ahead. I was gonna say, I think from a rehab standpoint,
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like when something like that happens, you know, I guess I could
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say I salute him from trying to figure that part out of it, because
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who knows what, you know, life fast kind of brought him to as
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far as you know, sobriety and trying to escape, you know, because
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he was up, you know, at that time Empire was was big,
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you know, or at least coming down from being huge. His his career
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was about to take off, you know, at least in my thing.
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And I feel like a lot of people in that show had opportunities after that,
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you know. So he definitely ruined a good situation for something very very
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unnecessary, and you know, for some time, it's a lot. Yeah.
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Yeah, hopefully he get the help he need because, you know,
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just judging up what we can see, definitely needs it. But yeah,
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man, something uh that's been in the news lately, and I have like
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a like a funny spin on what I want to talk about with this,
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but I don't know if y'all heard, but dj MVI's real estate business partners
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arrested fraud chargers. So the word had been going going around that he had
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some kind of Ponzi scheme set up with some properties and flipping how and things
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like that. They had went to the Breakfast club to actually question or you
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know, ask DJMVY some questions about the whole situation and everything. According to
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what's being reported, they say that DJMV didn't really have nothing to do with
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it as far as like actually taking money from people and doing stuff like that.
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But obviously, my thing about it, Like, the thing that I
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find interesting about this is you're on the radio talking about this every single day.
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What you're doing. You got these seminars, you got all this stuff
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going on. Now they're coming to your job to you know what I'm saying,
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because you were talking about it on the radio, So now they're coming
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to the radio to ask you about this, you know what I mean.
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Supposedly people were like speculating there might be some violations for iHeartRadio just because of
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SCC violations because of how the business was conducted. And that's the part to
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me that's kind of crazy. It's like, man, you really put your
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neck out there to talk about this on the radio every single day. When
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you really think about it, it's kind of crazy that they let him even
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do that, because when have you ever heard of somebody just openly promoting their
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business every day like that, like just you know, just without any kind
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of like hiding it, no veil, nothing, just every day, free
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promo, free promo, free promo, and so much. You know,
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I could see the side of the people where it's like, man, you
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guys are talking about this on the radio every single day. I'm assuming it's
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legit, you know, and now you know, some dude that's taking my
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money and running off. And then from what I saw earlier, the fans
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actually rated the iHeart Radio office and seized like electronic devices. That's crazy.
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I didn't see that. That's wild. Yeah, I mean I didn't look
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too deep into it to verify sources, but I remember it being like I
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saw multiple times on social media while scrolling. Yeah, he was wilding on
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it. What you think would I never looked into it, but I'm not
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surprised the kind of person he is, even just that idea of like,
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you know, selling that dream every day, and you know what I mean,
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like I always look at it like this. Everybody makes your own decision.
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Obviously, they're salesmen in this world. But as a person, you
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know that everybody don't have the same kind of drive and aspirations that you do.
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I mean exactly for you to try to like impart all this on people
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without really like you know, letting them know like what's really behind it,
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because it ain't just as simple as put the money down and you're just gonna
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make money. Like anybody that thinks that anything in this world is like that,
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Like come on, bro, you need to slap yourself look in the
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mirror or something, because in a way, you're just gonna put some money
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down on something and then it's just gonna double or it's going to create residual
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income, you know. Like I was talking about this with a homie the
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other day, Like it's hard to invest with friends a lot of times because
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like they want to put down fifteen hundred and get back a million dollars,
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you know what I'm saying with little work. You know what I'm saying.
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It's like everybody has this idea that like, you know, they see these
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headlines and articles of like oh I took two hundred dollars and turned it into
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ten thousand dollars a passive income every month, Like yeah, bro, that's
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that's not happening for everybody. You know what I'm saying, These are like
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this is lightning in a bottle that that just is getting captured here and there,
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Like you just got to you know, work hard, be consistent.
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If you don't do that, you don't got no hope. Yeah, it's
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hard for me to trust anybody who's going to sell me something. Man,
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It just it really is. I just you don't buy it. No cun
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intent facts that salesman vibe. Man, it's always iffy bro like no offensive
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people that are salesmen. But it's like to a certain point, you're just
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like dedicated to make that sale. Like do you take out of the human
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element out of it? I feel like you can't take the human out of
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human element out of business, you know what I'm saying. It's like they
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think that makes good business. And the other thing too, is that like
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you know, even going to that lightning in a bottle situation, you know
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a lot of people will then go to sell like how it worked for them,
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When it's like, you know what I mean, it works for you,
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I don't mean it's gonna work for me, you know what I mean?
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So then now they're using, like I said, that sales aspect to
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not only did they already make bread and flaunting how they make bread, but
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trying to use their success to take your bread, you know. Like I
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don't know. I feel like if you if you've made so much success,
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bro, Like you know what I'm saying, Like write a book, you
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know what I mean, Like or put it out in a way where it's
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like, if you want to spend the fourteen dollars, they'll spend the fourteen
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dollars. But you know some people out here charging fifteen hundred dollars for you
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know, their their little step by step playing to success. Like nah,
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bro, that's not how it works. Yeah. Yeah, it's like to
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help people. My bad. I just say it, like you're really really
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trying to help people. Why is it always such a big price you're charging.
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I g. If you're really out there just to help people, Yeah,
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It's like my thing with business or just dealing with anybody like that is
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like I don't like people that pretend like we all don't need money, you
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know what I'm saying. It's like I understand that to a certain point,
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everything's going to be transactional let's just be upfront about it and figure out what's
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going to make the most sense for everybody and keep it moving, you know
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what I mean. They don't need to be no smoking mirrors. You don't
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need a massage, you know, massage into into submission, you know what
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I'm saying. It's like, bro, just be straight up and down.
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I don't need the freaking you know, I don't need the George Michael Bluth
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not facts. But yeah, man, I don't know if we've talked about
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this yet. Man, but they actually made an arrest on the Tupac murder
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and they're setting up like another the trial dates. No, no, not
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another one, just the same one. But they're just really like gearing up
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to really get a verdict for this thing. Like that's it's just so crazy.
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Like you, I think about like being like younger, like just being
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a kid and thinking like watching like these little documentaries and stuff like that,
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always watching the little news, you know, the little news specials about the
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Tupac situation, and always hearing about like will we ever get justice? Like
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them not you believe it though that it was them. I mean I could
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see it definitely makes sense. The story kind of lines up, and you
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know, even to just think about it from a deeper sense, bro Like,
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sometimes especially with like somebody like Tupac, because of the impact that he
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had on people, on the type of artistry that he left people with,
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it's kind of hard to accept that he was just a guy. You know
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what I'm saying, He just you know, from from my way of looking
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at it, just from even just from knowing how things go, bro Like,
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sometimes you just you do something to somebody, was the wrong person,
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you know what I'm saying. If somebody don't give a fuck more than you
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don't give a fuck, like you're done, And that's just it's to me,
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it's that simple, you know, Like I don't think it was like
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anything deep or anything less deep, like even like these whole like crazy theories
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that's out there, like who was involved, Like was people from Bad Boy
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involved? Was Diddy involved? It's like, bruh. When you think about
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what the situation was when it was going on, if they came out and
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say, Yo, this is what happened, I wouldn't be surprised because it's
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like that was the situation they were going through, you know, like you
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think about it from the point of view of like Biggie and Tupac and look
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at them on artists levels. But it's like these were just people through the
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lens of whoever felt like they wanted them gone, you know what I'm saying.
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Obviously I'm not justifying it at all. It's still the tragedy, but
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it's just it is what it is. You know, people, if somebody
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wants somebody gone, they're not looking at them like, yo, that's Tupac.
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It's just a dude that wronged them in their eyes. You know.
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Yeah, that was gonna be like my next question kind of what's your thoughts
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on like the government being involved and you know, those kind of conspiracy theories
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that are out there. I'm always very in agreement of the idea that the
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government is involved, but not in that exact sense. I look at it
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more like the cops, the FBI, like just anybody that's involved in government
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and officiating and stuff like that. Whenever these situations happen, these are people
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that are very outspoken against the government, against the police, Like Tupac was
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very vocal about his disapproval of the government, of the beliefs of how the
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political structure was, Like I feel like they just all kind of give you
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the cold shoulder on the low, you know what I mean. It's not
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necessarily like a conspiracy where they're like actively saying, Yo, we're gonna do
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X, Y and Z, but it's kind of like, all right,
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whenever you need us, we're just gonna drag our fee because this is how
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you feel about us, you know what I mean? Yeah, yeah,
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I could see that. Actually I get that. What do you do,
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Joe? I never heard anything about the government, but I always I grew
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up like listening to mcabelly in the first tracks, like saying, shook shot
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me. I always thought it was shook for a while. That's pretty much
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I really thought intill until in the recent years when all this other stuff,
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all these random documentary started coming out. I thought it was should because he
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had so much music of Park, He's just gonna release all those albums after
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he died. That's that's only stuff I heard, And I don't know.
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I gotta believed that for a while, honest, because I was young.
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Bro. I've seen on three different occasions fifty cents specifically say that did he
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killed Tupac? Bro? Like he said it out loud. He wrote it
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on Instagram, then he posted it again on Instagram, wrote it on Instagram
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again. It's like, Bro, that is that to me is kind of
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like the wild twist of this whole thing, Like, bro, why is
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he going so hard when saying this? You know? So I highly recommend
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this show. It's called Unsolved. It's on Netflix right now. It's only
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your season. It came out in twenty seventeen. They tapped into Russell Pool.
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Russell Poole was an LAPD detective. He investigated the murder, the murder
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of Biggie, and so while Tupac's may have been uh, you know,
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just unfortunate situation situation, Biggie's death was a little bit more sketchy. So
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I highly recommend y'all watch that show because they definitely tapped into it. Because
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once he's watched the show, then you'll actually go and start going down a
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rab hole of actually figuring out who Jordan I'm sorry, not Jordan Pool.
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I'm tripping Russell Pool. Russell Pool is because there's a lot of videos on
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YouTube about Russell Pool and the things that he was finding out through the LAPD
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about Biggie's death, and he spoke a lot and then he ended up it
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ended up getting so bad. I think he died literally while discussing like the
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cases, he had like a heart attack in in the Sheriff's department office,
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like still trying to prove his theory of what happened to Biggie. He went
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out like you know what I'm saying, trying to solve that case, Yeah,
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yeah, yeah, yeah, I know where specifically with Biggie, I
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know that that's like more cloudy, Like I remember all the little like like
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you're talking about I have. I don't think I've seen the specific one that
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you're talking about, Quincy, but I've seen a lot of different things about
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Biggie too, and it's like there's it's the same thing, like their theories,
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but that one's a little more like they really don't know who it is
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type stuff, you know. Yeah, yeah, that one's a little sketchy.
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And then if you think about it from a standpoint of Tupac being because
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if I remember correctly, TUPACX was first, right Tupac, then Biggie,
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Yeah, Tupacs being in you know, actual unfortunate situation, and then Biggie's
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being kind kind of coordinated. I guess you could say, you know,
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in that East coast, West coast like all of that. You know what
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I'm saying, It definitely trickles down into the black community, you know what
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I mean from a standpoint of like whatever divides us, you know. Yeah,
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that was a crazy That was a crazy thing, man, because at
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the end of the day, it was just music. Like it's so crazy,
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like, bro, We're just hearing dope music from a whole bunch of
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artists. Like you can't just listen to music like it's it's wild man,
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don't make no sense. Yeah, man, So last week we were talking
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about that Drake album, I did you give it a whirl? I gave
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it a world man made it to like probably like song eight or so.
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It was, Uh, it was kind of like how I hear any other
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Drake I was. I was very surprised with the lack of enthusiasm from usual
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Drake fans, you know what I'm saying, Like overall, like just from
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people that I know, they weren't really feeling it that much. And I
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felt like it sounded like the other stuff that I've heard from him, you
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know what I mean. It didn't sound bad, like it sounded like Drake.
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You know, I was definitely surprised, Like I don't know, it's
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it's again, it's not for me, but it's definitely I mean I'm definitely
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started like it. Yeah, like I said, it sounded good, like
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it's produced well, like the Drake type music, you know what I'm saying.
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I definitely understood what Quincy was talking about with the features because whenever you
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it was like a like a whole like energy vibe switch whenever it went into
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a feature, because like Quincy said, it was just like whatever the vibe
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of the feature was was whatever that person was on. So like whatever that
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person was on, that's what the song sounded like. And a few of
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them are like features that of you know, people that I don't really particularly
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like that much. So it was kind of like, eh, but you
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know, it's something. Then we talked about this week too, like it's
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a formula. It works. If it was so easy, anybody would do
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it, you know what I'm saying, Like, kudos to him because he's
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making it happen. Yeah, and I mean, hey, he got a
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number one out of it, you know what I'm saying, Like, of
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course he's Drake, you know what I'm saying, So it's not as far
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as a shot, but hey, like you said, it works, you
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know, so why break was not broken? You know? Yeah? I
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think bad Buddy starting to take the Drake approach to the it's put in music
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for a specific target audience. Yeah, yeah, he's definitely. He's definitely
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in that bag. And it kind of goes back to that topic that we've
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always kind of hit on with the podcast, Like there's a specific trajectory that
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you can take with music, and if you take that trajectory, you got
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to hit those marks along the way, you know what I mean, Like
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you have to be in that arena of sound, especially when it comes to
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pop in Top forty and Billboard and stuff like that. If you don't follow
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the formula, it don't work, you know what I mean. And like
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Joe was saying, bro, it's like a lot of us as artists,
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I mean shit, probably every single artist in the back of the mind they
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feel like, man, if I wanted to, I could make a song
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like that, you know what I'm saying, But all of us haven't done
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it right, you know what I'm saying, So, like you always gotta
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like that. That's kind of like the different approach. I always have a
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shout out to my boy Danny man because Danny kind of like put me onto
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this mindset back in the day because he was engineering at the time. So
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him engineering kind of gave him a different outlook on just all types of music.
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It's like, bro, Like, obviously there's an audience for everybody,
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and everybody is doing their artistry their way, true to whatever they're trying to
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do, you know what I mean. So it's like you can't be little
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lit or say oh he's whack, or oh he's doing it wrong, or
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he's doing X, Y and Z. It's like, bro, he's doing
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what he's doing, and if people are responding to it, God bless them
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because that's what we're all looking for, people to respond to it. You
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know what I'm saying, Yeah, I agree it, but yeah man,
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that that kind of leads into the next little topic. Like we've been talking
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a lot about just the idea of creating for yourself versus creating for others.
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Like it's something that I spoke to my brother about also, like because he
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does like a lot of YouTube videos, a lot of fighting game content,
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gaming content, a lot of Christian content, and he's kind of trying to
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not let the algorithm lead how he creates, so that he's just creating good
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content and hopefully it coincides with people enjoying it as well. But that's always
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like that delicate balance whenever you're trying to make anything you know, especially like
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I know you can even attest to a Joe as far as DJing this stuff,
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it's like you you got to make a mix that people are gonna vibe
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to. You can't just say, oh, this is old music. Y'all
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got to listen to this, like now they're gonna tell you what's the dope
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music. You could throw your stuff here and there and if it sounds good
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and if you know it, it'll sonically fit cool. But at the same
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time, the people are never wrong. Like you can't tell somebody their ear
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is wrong, what they enjoy is wrong. Get like your questions. I'm
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like, man, I don't want to mix that ship. Man, I
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want to mix what I want to mix up. But I said, you
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also want to please people because you want you I also want people to enjoy
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it. So you got to give them to find that line where you're still
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getting something to enjoy and you're not completely selfish about uh what what you're creating.
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So it's like, ultimately, unless you're doing it specifically for you,
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for you to sit in your bubble, it's entertainment. So you gotta do
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what's entertaining. Mm hmm. That's a great way to put it, because
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I love when I go when I go work out blacks Ship, it's my
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whole workout. Yeah, I can listen to every time and it keeps me
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energized, like why does everybody else do this? But yeah, man,
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it's it just like anything period, like as far as being creative or as
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far as you know, anything that requires any kind of thought, Like there's
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so many people doing different things and doing the same thing that you're doing that
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you really just got to make it cut through and stand out and be something
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that people are like, dang, everybody else is doing it, but this
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person's doing it differently and they're doing it in a dope way that catches my
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eye. That's that's a hard thing to do as well. Cut through,
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you know what I'm saying. And that's something that like I always reference like
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comedians and respect comedians in that sense because the comedians are like a lot of
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them. They'll be doing that for like twenty years, you know, twenty
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five year, fifteen years before they even get any kind of break, you
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know what I mean, before anybody ever says like, oh, okay,
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you know, we're familiar with you, you're funny. We're gonna use you
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for these gigs. We're gonna give you this, We're gonna do that.
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You know, Like comedians have to grind, grind and get there, and
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it's like use it. I don't always get that break either, And exactly,
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they don't always get to break either. And it's like with music,
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it's kind of like this perception of like you gotta blow when you're like a
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teenager and then that's it, you know what I mean. I was at
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a Nate Bargatzi show and like the opener before him was funny as hell,
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and he was like, yeah, he's like, we actually been doing this
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together. He said, I actually thought I was funnier, but somehow he
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got the break. He said it just like that. It's like like Nate
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Bargatzi a comedian, just like a real comedian, like like not like an
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Instagram YouTube reel comedian got popping off like TikTok and blew up so do so.
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Now he's in the whole sound in that live next week and that's that.
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That's one of the biggest moves they've made. It's given someone like that
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a shot and it's crazy and it's just it takes that shot man, and
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you got to grind, grind, grinder, be ready when you get it.
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But uh, sometimes that ship don't come. Yeah, it's it's it's
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that old thing of like you gotta have momentum, Like you got to create
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momentum to have momentum, you know what I mean, Like if you're if
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you're ready for the moment. If somebody comes by, like I look at
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it kind of like a train, you know what I mean, Like if
24:10
a train comes by and it's coming by slowly, if you're not moving,
24:12
or if you're like sitting down and when you see it, by the time
24:17
you get up and start running and might leave. You know what I'm saying,
24:19
You might not catch it. But if you're ready, if you're already
24:22
kind of jogging, if you're already up, if you're already kind of looking
24:25
for the train, and then you hear it coming and then you prepare yourself
24:26
and you catch it as it goes like you're going to catch it, you
24:30
know. And that's kind of like a big thing that I feel like a
24:33
lot of people don't understand. It's like they want kind of like that like
24:37
a hand slash. They want like an opportunity to possibly, you know,
24:42
do something, but it's like you're not doing anything to set it up for
24:47
yourself, you know what I mean. You just want somebody to send their
24:48
hand to you, but you don't even have your hand out, you know
24:51
what I mean. But yeah, man, that's that's always a super crazy,
25:00
uh crazy battle. Was like somebody that's trying to do something creative and
25:04
bro. Even to bring it back to Drake, like I'm pretty sure he
25:07
has that battle every single day, bro, you know what I'm saying.
25:10
Like he probably heard some of the joints on the album himself and was like,
25:14
dang, man, like I would like to do X, Y and
25:17
Z. But it's like kind of like Joe said, he owned a different
25:19
waves. Man, he's trying to conquer the world. He's just trying to
25:22
come for the artistic realm of let me be the best rapper, you know
25:26
what I mean? Yeah, yeah, I think, like like Lebron,
25:32
like he's not Winny Championships, but he's still performing at that level to keep
25:34
himself. He's doing the extra stuff to keep himself in talks, in in
25:40
the in the high level of elite players, all the extra little shit he's
25:44
doing it just keeping some other because he can't. He's not hitting like the
25:48
big missles that he wished you could hit by Built, but probably taking the
25:52
Builders on team. I don't think he's trying to do that no more.
25:55
And that's what I'm saying, Like I think, I think they're complacent where
25:59
they are at. Think Jake's complaying where he's at. I think, like
26:02
you said, you know, he's gonna keep using that recipe until it no
26:06
longer works, and that's good for him. He's still talk uh the elite
26:11
artists. Ain't nobody call him a good rapper anymore. Ain't nobody talking about
26:15
his bars anymore. And that's what I think. Probably stop chasing trying to
26:22
be the best lyricist like he used to be, and not just be a
26:25
hit maker. Man, he really just he did it all already, you
26:29
know what I mean. It's like to a certain point, it's like what
26:32
are you gonna What are you gonna do? What's the motivation? Like even
26:36
like with music, it's like what what do you what else do you even
26:38
have to talk about at this point? You know what I'm saying. Like
26:41
it's a tough thing, That's what. That's why I even like the idea
26:45
of like ghostwriters and stuff, especially when it comes to singers like Drake.
26:49
A lot of the singing stuff he does, he'll get that song from like
26:52
another writer like Party next Doors one. Yeah, Jordan has done stuff for
26:57
him and stuff. So it's like those joints. I love art like I
27:03
love with singing that you're able to do that because it opens up an artists
27:08
to another sound or another vibe and another feeling, like that person could kind
27:12
of transfer that emotion to you. You feel the song and you give it
27:15
that same delivery, and it's a different thing than what you've been singing about.
27:22
You know what I'm saying. It's kind of it kind of sucks,
27:26
but I understand why you can't do that and rap, you know what I
27:30
mean? Like rapping, you know, people not accepting ghostwriters and stuff like
27:34
that. Like I get it. You know, rap is a in that
27:40
form. It's a sport, you know what I'm saying. And it's like
27:44
it makes sense. But now when we're crossing over into the the hip hop
27:48
category where you're not really rapping rapping, it's just like hip hop like which
27:52
hip hop is like little Baby Gunna, young Thug, you know, like
27:56
people that aren't just like traditionally rapping if they have ghostwriters or something. I
28:02
don't mind that, you know what I'm saying, You're not really rapping,
28:03
you know what, making a song. You're making a record exactly, you
28:07
singing your melodies like Roddy Rich. If Roddy Rich had a ghostwriter, I'd
28:10
be like, oh, okay, he got a ghostwriter, you know what
28:11
I mean. Like, it wouldn't be something that I'm like, oh my
28:15
gosh, you know what I mean. Honestly, it's kind of something we've
28:18
been talking about a little bit and alluding to. But like hip hop,
28:21
I mean, rap is dying, bro, Like rap is almost out the
28:25
fucking goddamn window. Bro, crazy too. I don't know. I think
28:30
like, and you're right man when you say that, because it's like I
28:33
feel like as the true appreciators of hip hop grow, you know what,
28:41
I'm saying, or rap grows, the value goes down as well. And
28:48
not only is the value of actual rap going down, but the appreciation of
28:52
this hop hop I guess you could call it, it's going up, you
28:57
know what I mean, that's getting a heard of. Yeah. So it's
29:02
like, I don't know, I just feel like I guess as we grow,
29:04
you know, I mean, like I said, I appreciate artists like
29:07
Jay and Niles who can take that time and grow and still put out good
29:14
lyrics and stuff that as I grow, I can still relate to and still
29:18
it still resonates. I guess that's kind of what I would hope from someone
29:26
like Drake, being that his earlier stuff it was. It was very thought
29:30
provoking, you know what I mean, he was dropping stuff early in his
29:33
career. I mean, yeah, he had ghostwriters and stuff too. But
29:37
I mean, if that's the case, bro, keep them ghostwriters around.
29:41
You say that all the Ai Drake versus ever heard are some fire ass versus.
29:51
And there's simple raps. It's like the ship, he used to say,
29:52
with a bunch of punchlines, a bunch of like metaphors. There's simple
29:57
raps and they're so good it's and I've heard like thousands of versus. He
30:04
knows what the people are because the people are doing it themselves now. And
30:11
now just let someone else write this ship for you. I was writing the
30:15
eyebars. Letim write it for you, bro. I think he's falling out
30:21
of love with the music. I think it's kind of like what you said
30:25
about people just don't value that kind of music anymore, you know what I
30:29
mean? I could see him saying, who group of people? At least?
30:33
Yeah exactly. It's like, why am I going to rap like this?
30:34
And then I'm putting myself in a box when I can rap like this
30:38
and get you know, do these arenas and do these crazy numbers and you
30:42
know, have these top forty hits, you know what I mean? M
30:45
h. I think it's just kind of what we're talking about, Like it's
30:49
a formula it's a certain style of creating to be in that mix all the
30:56
time. You know, it's it's a hard thing to do, but it's
31:00
definitely formulaic, you know what I mean. You gotta be inside a certain
31:03
box. Yeah. Well, what do y'all think about this Kanye and Tay
31:10
Dollar signed album that's gonna come out. I'm h it's about to be five
31:12
years. I'm hype every Kanye and title song, sign song. I think
31:17
I've heard I Love Man, even that one off the YA album. What's
31:22
it called Wouldn't Leave? I think it's called Yeah, oh Man, that
31:26
song, Bro, it's so crazy. I told y'all maybe yeah. I
31:32
think last episode said I'm not excited for music anymore. I'm excited for this.
31:36
It's probably the first thing I'm looking forward to and anticipating the release.
31:41
Yeah, I am looking forward to this. That's what I was saying before
31:45
we go off. Move on, bad Bunnies. I would say the last
31:48
album he came out with last week, it's on that same level. He
31:52
made music for certain fans, and now he's talking like the rich talk,
31:59
and now he's calling people out on the ship. So he's doing he's taking
32:02
a different turn, which I think like the Scorpion Drake took. And now
32:08
I was like, look how big he was, so cow consistent he was,
32:10
Look how all the mark he was, and now he's in that place
32:15
like damn, what what do I do now? Like and and when people
32:19
were like them like, who's this guy? Is he? Who is he
32:22
not. He wasn't the same bad bunny he was for the last four or
32:23
five years or three albums. Now it's just like, all right, he's
32:27
completely changing again, and there's people who like it, and and I'm not
32:31
a fan, and I became a huge fan after the Trap album stopped and
32:37
now this is like a mixtape and I'm like, I wasn't feeling that.
32:39
I don't I don't put it down, but I wasn't feeling it. It's
32:43
not a bad bunny that I enjoyed. I was like, Damn, I
32:45
thought I was gonna enjoy him for the rest of the time now. And
32:49
it's just it's just seeing the evolution of artists and the decisions they make,
32:53
and they all gotta go through, man, they gotta go through, just
32:55
like when we make decisions and stuff, the right one speaking about the artistry
33:02
and what we've been talking about, man like speaking about Kanye bro Like,
33:07
that's the thing about Kanye that you know. I think it's a big piece
33:13
of what bothers Drake about the whole situation with Kanye is that Kanye is one
33:21
of those guys that really just broke through because his artistry was just that good,
33:25
Like he really just let he you know, he had his little antics
33:29
and stuff, but his main message from the beginning was I'm better than everybody.
33:31
Let me show you. You know what I'm saying, And he was
33:35
making better beats in everybody. Then he started making better raps in everybody.
33:38
And it's like the proof is there, and what can you say? Like
33:40
you played an album and you were like, bro, like he did it
33:44
again? How like this gets like it just has a vibe. He captures
33:47
a feeling like he knows how to how to corral your emotion musically, Like
33:52
sonically he knows what to do. Like that's something that it's so valuable like
34:00
as an artist, and that's why he can do all these things that he
34:04
does, all these outbursts that he has and have you know, reportedly five
34:08
major labels courting him to drop that collab album with ty Dolla signed because they
34:15
know he's about to do numbers and they know it's about to be some fire
34:17
music. You know. They say it's like some of his best music as
34:22
as of like the recent stuff in the last five Yeah, I'm not gonna
34:30
lie. Is this his first album since him and Kim separated? Oh,
34:36
he about to drop some heat going through it. I believe in the second
34:44
what was the album, there was two down the two there it goes.
34:47
I think they were like separated, and he was kind of saying that he
34:51
was going to get her back or something on that album. But now it's
34:52
like things bringing her out to the to the shows. Yeah, mhmm,
35:00
crazy bro, man. We don't We don't got too much time to get
35:05
into this, but I definitely want to touch on it and speak on this
35:08
further in the future and do kind of like a deeper dive on in a
35:13
man, this WWE UFC merger. It's a lot of crazy little details in
35:20
there and different threads that we could pull on. But the specific thing that
35:22
I wanted to talk about this week about it was a little piece of news
35:27
basically saying that Ari Emanuel, which was the Endeavor CEO. Endeavor was the
35:31
company that bought UFC, so he was the guy basically at the top of
35:37
UFC. They ended up doing a meal, I mean a deal where they
35:40
acquired WWE and they created like a company together with UFC. So now he's
35:47
kind of that CEO of all that, and when he kind of took power
35:52
he removed Vince McMahon from the creative side of ww Vince McMahon is the guy
35:58
that started. Yeah, he didn't started, he got it from his dad,
36:00
but he's the one that basically started the nationwide presence of wrestling. He's
36:05
the reason why any of us even really know wrestling, Like, even if
36:07
you're a fan or not, you only really heard of it because of Vince
36:10
McMahon. He's the one that promoted it like that. You know, he
36:13
made wrestling in a household thing. Yep. So Ari Emanuel comes in,
36:17
you know, they buy the company and obviously at this point Vince agreed to
36:22
sell. Somebody buys the company, they could do whatever they want, but
36:25
one of the first things they do is remove him from creative. They assigned
36:29
Triple H, which he's married to, Vince McMahan's daughter. He's been in
36:34
an executive position at WWE for a long time, so they're kind of like
36:37
what he's doing, so they keep them in place. He's now the head
36:40
of creative. It used to be Vince McMahon, and Vince McMahon was very
36:45
hands on. He was very they said, he was very erratic. He
36:47
would change a lot of things last minute, he would change, like if
36:52
somebody else came up with an idea, he would change their ideas. And
36:57
a lot of people said it was really hard to work with him creatively that
36:59
way. And now they removed him from the situation, and they're pretty much
37:02
just saying we're gonna move forward with Triple H. We don't need you anymore.
37:07
Thanks. What do y'all think about? I want to get shout a
37:12
Triple H man because I know that the work he's put in. He ran
37:14
the whole farm system in Florida. Uh, he was over there in full
37:17
sail recruiting. Every Thursday, him and him and Stephanie would go to Full
37:23
Sale in Orlando and watch those NXT shows and look for the next steps,
37:28
the next call ups and work with them. He major pillar of what wrestling
37:31
was, what maintained This is the crazy ship that Vision Man had. Some
37:37
crazy say everyone that they want to he want to start a story about him
37:39
and his daughter being romantically involved in his stuff. Yeah, I heard about
37:44
that. Yeah, Like he's a nutcase. Yeah, he's a fucking nutcase.
37:49
I think he's been should have been gone. I think that the ship
37:52
that people hate about w W and the whole Roman Reigns tenure that everybody cannot
37:58
believe has gone on, and anything that solvingsic Man, I think he's like
38:02
the Jerry Jones WWE fact. He's a great, great analogy. But yeah,
38:09
man, speaking on that Triple A situation, like I believe he kind
38:14
of spearheaded even that farm system, and he was kind of the ones that
38:16
put all those deals together and made it what it is and created it into
38:21
like a viable brand. It's on TV, you know what I'm saying,
38:23
Like he made it something. Basically, he turned the minor leagues into a
38:30
TV program slash like a big event, something that's gonna sell tickets. Like
38:35
no bro, no league has been able to make their minor league even viable
38:42
at all, you know what I'm saying. The WWE, you know,
38:45
it's wrestling whatever, you can say, whatever you want. They were able
38:47
to take their farm system and make it a nationally syndicated TV show like a
38:53
lot of companies, a lot of people with the NFL can't do that,
38:55
the NBA can't do that, Major leags soccer can't do that. Nobody's been
39:00
able to do something like that. So it's definitely a crazy feat. Yeah,
39:05
no facts as far as them removing VINCIK Man I have. I think
39:13
I made a point the other day, Le's you know kind of one of
39:15
the things that I've seen just in business before is you know, corporate basically
39:21
by this man's business and they removed him. But then they realized after they
39:28
removed him that they couldn't operate the business as efficiently because he had the experience.
39:34
They had the money, but he had the experience, and so eventually
39:38
they were forced to basically hire him back on retainer rather than you know,
39:45
having him in a role in the company. So when they let him go,
39:50
he was an employee. When they hired him on retainer, he was
39:52
a contractor, making way more so they ended up losing in the end.
39:58
But I just I'm not saying Vince mcman they need Vince McMahon. But what
40:02
I'm saying is I'm interested to see how it plays out, because, like
40:07
I said, I've seen it on the other end where removing that individual wasn't
40:10
the right decision. Yeah, definitely kind of goes back to what we said,
40:15
like we only really know about wrestling because of Vince McMahon, You know
40:20
what I mean. He's definitely the one that trained Triple H and he's kind
40:22
of been Vince McMahon's right hand man for like damn near twenty years by now,
40:29
so you know he's probably learned enough from him, and he probably has
40:31
the support from Vince McMann. But you definitely make a great point because you
40:37
know, it kind of goes back to the Jerry Jones thing, like,
40:40
yeah, you know, he gets in the way of football and supposedly,
40:45
you know, they could probably do better if he wasn't so mixed up in
40:49
the day to day of the football team. But it's the most expensive franchise
40:52
I believe in the world, right, Like, there's no other sports teams
40:57
that's valued more than that team, is I think? So yeah, without
41:00
even winning the Super Bowl exactly. I mean, and it's like you could
41:05
say, you know, that kind of goes back to a thing that Jeff
41:08
Tigue was talking about on a podcast. I don't remember the podcast, but
41:10
he was basically saying, Bro, he don't he does not care about no
41:15
rings. He would take a MAX contract for his whole career over the rings,
41:17
because it's like, bro, what is a ring good to do for
41:20
me? You know what? I mean, and you think about it from
41:22
that point of view too, Like you got people talking about Dak Prescott and
41:25
all this stuff, and you know, he's this, he's that. Whatever.
41:28
Bro, he's the most famous, you know, arguably one of the
41:31
most famous quarterbacks in the world, just because he's the quarterback of the Cowboys,
41:36
you know what I'm saying, Like right, right, So you know
41:38
he's making crazy money. He got all these endorsement deals, he got all
41:42
this stuff going on. How is he losing because he don't got a ring,
41:45
you know what I mean, Like a lot of people don't got rings,
41:50
right, right, But yeah, man, that's pretty much all I
41:57
had as far as topics go. So we can get into the Billboard game
42:00
real quick, b Yeah, bro, this was the first time. This
42:06
is a little side note, man, I went to originally I was in
42:10
two thousand and thirteen. Right, The chart was so bad, bro that
42:17
I was like, nah, I had to go to another air. Like
42:21
I couldn't even figure out like how to make like clues about it. Like
42:24
all the songs were so ass It was a terrible Oh man, it's crazy.
42:30
Yeah, bro, it was tough, it definitely thirteen Yeah, twenty
42:32
thirteen it was a rough one, bro, but yeah, So like always,
42:37
man, y'all both throw out a year, and whoever's closer will go
42:42
first. I'm gonna say, oh seven, two thousand and seven, we'll
42:45
say oh five, but we needn't know what years were already done. Oh
42:50
no, no, it could be yeah, it could be the same one.
42:52
All right, So Quincy's gonna go first, because it is we are
42:58
in two thousand and nine. All right, alright, first question is quintuplet
43:06
m hm. So this tricking anthem from a down South legend was an instant
43:12
classic. The options are Ludacris TI and trick Daddy. This tricking anthem from
43:21
a down South legend was an instant classic. January tenth, two thousand and
43:25
nine. Ludacris TI or trick Daddy tricking anthem? You tricky bastard? D
43:38
Let me say t I T I all right, all right, it's the
43:44
correct artist. What was the name of the song for the point? I
43:51
got the song in my head? Whatever you like? Yes, let's get
44:01
it. See whatever you like? Was number nine on the charts that week.
44:10
It was actually on its way down, bro, it had been number
44:13
one. I didn't even know that that song was a billboard. That song
44:15
was big. Yeah, that's crazy, all right, Joe, you got
44:23
question number two. This experimental flute driven banger letter revolution and hip hop music
44:34
for better or worse? The options are Drake jay Z and Kanye West.
44:42
This experimental flute driven banger led a revolution and hip hop music for better or
44:49
worse? Oh, you want to guess an artist? Manz incorrect, my
45:05
friend, go ahead, Quincy. This experimental flute driven banger led a revolution
45:12
and hip hop music for better or worse? Drake jay Z or Kanye West?
45:19
Drake incorrect? Joe to you, Okay, this experimental driven banger led
45:30
to a revolution in hip hop music for better or worse. I'm not mad.
45:38
I'm just disappointed. I got to think of the beats with songs.
45:46
Uh, ship out? You don't know, I get a stat that that
45:54
was it? All right? Bro? The answer was kind of west hearts.
46:02
Oh wow, come on, that's like a famous FLUTEI beat. Yes,
46:07
yeah, I don't even think. Come on, bro, that was
46:12
like the song that made everybody start singing. Bro, I ain't flutes.
46:16
Yes, oh man, I'm not like I said, I'm not mad,
46:20
I'm just disappointed, man, I thought I need some flute som guru.
46:24
But that was probably two thousand night, all right, So last one going
46:30
to Quincy. This became a woman's anthem in this Call to the unmarried was
46:37
also an instant classic. The options are Rihanna, Kelly Rowland, Beyonce,
46:46
Beyonce, Beyonce, what's the song? Put a ring on it? Yes,
46:52
sir, put a ring on It was number one on the Billboard Top
46:57
ten that week. Let's go Bro. This sound was loaded right here,
47:02
man, I'm gonna run it down ten to one. Number ten was If
47:07
I Were a Boy Beyonce. Number nine was whatever you Like Yeah. Number
47:13
eight love Lockdown, Kanye West. Number seven, Womanizer, Britney Spears.
47:20
Then she was still up in two thousand, her thing bro. Number six,
47:24
Hot and Cold Katy Perry. She went on the Crazy Run too.
47:28
She was all over the radio. Number five Lovely Taylor Swift, Dang,
47:32
she just won't Never go away before Heartless Kanye West. That was man,
47:38
that was that Banker Dog. The album is crazy, Yo, crazy thing.
47:42
Man. I realized recently, like a couple months ago. I think
47:45
I told you on the chat that I've never listened to my Beautiful, Dark,
47:49
Twister, Fantasy like just front to back. Oh, that was a
47:52
masterpiece. I always just like listen to the songs and then like I started
47:57
listening to it like just the album like since then, and I'm like,
48:00
bro, this is Did you see the visual No? I didn't. Bro,
48:05
go on YouTube when you get a chance and watch the album visual Fire
48:07
album Visual like yeah, yeah, oh I gotta peep that. That sounds
48:12
fire. That young is crazy. Yeah all right. So number three was
48:16
Live Your Life t I featured Rihanna, had another one on another one that
48:21
was a number one that was on the way down, but it was number
48:24
two at this time, Like bruh, he had two number ones that were
48:28
on the charts at the same time. T I was that boy m h
48:31
alright. Number two was Just Dance Lady Gaga featuring Kobe o'donnis. I don't
48:38
know what that is, number one single Ladies Beyonce Man Queen Bay. Hey.
48:45
That wasn't a bad top ten but you can start singing the slippers,
48:49
that's for sure. Yeah. Yeah, like the other ones didn't facts,
48:54
but yeah, man, that's that's another what's going on here? Get that
49:01
sound? Though? Oh? They just started throwing out beta features like while
49:06
we're on this show, like, what's going on? Yeah, they threw
49:09
like a random comment on the screen and said, this is what a live
49:13
coming would look like. Click on the comment to show it on the screen,
49:15
Like you're trying to just give me a run through right now. I'm
49:20
in a live show, Hobie. What's wrong with you? That day threw
49:24
me off. I'm like, somebody here live, what's going on? But
49:30
yeah, man, like I said, Man, I've been I've been working
49:34
on making these beats dog and these things been getting bean, Bro, I'm
49:37
excited. I'm getting ready to try to get some people on some of this
49:39
production man, and start putting out some music that way too. I'm excited
49:44
about that. Yeah, bro, Joe, you got your official return day.
49:49
Huh, exactly one month from today that I'm actually the guy who's gonna
49:53
ship both of our cargoes to Florida is texting me right out that happening to
49:58
writing back? Yeah, So the container gets here, we packed the container
50:04
like I picks up the cars. Uh, and then the next day we've
50:08
to the airport and flight or land and we're gonna forget. I mean,
50:10
we're gonna come back to this. I'm excited to get back. Man.
50:15
It's gonna be a great time right before the holidays. That's my whole purpose
50:17
of it. Spend things giving over there, Christmas over there, looking forward
50:21
to super dope. Yeah, but excited to have you back in the groove.
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Bro, it's gonna be dope. Yeah. Bro, we're gonna We're
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gonna definitely gonna switch things up. Man. If Quincy could come down do
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more live shows, We'll just to do more shows and three of us together
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in the same room, try to get that set up. I think we
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can do a lot of different things now that I'm closer, not on the
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side of the country, So it'll be dope. If we could do a
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live show this year, man, like not a live show, but all
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of us together, you know. Yeah, I definitely don't see that being
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an issue for sure. For sure. See if you have that thing he
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was talking about, we'll talk more. You know, I'll find but you
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think at your crip, yes, sir, I'm excited, bro. You
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know, all I ever want to do is stay better, not not not
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not not not not not flo after aud ever after