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Patriots Catch-22 1/21: Up/Down vs. Texans, Necessary Fixes, Broncos Preview · Patriots Catch-22

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  Speaker 1: This is the Patriots Catch twenty two podcasts with Evan
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  Speaker 1: Lazar and Alex Barth Bizarre and Lazar, Hello, everybody nailed it.
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  Speaker 2: Joined us always by our bar gap.
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  Speaker 3: Here is Evan Lazar and Alex bark.
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  Speaker 1: One of my favorite parts about Boston sports and Boston
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  Speaker 1: sports culture and doing this job and being a fan
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  Speaker 1: of the Boston sports teams is that we are championship
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  Speaker 1: driven people. We are championship driven. Like we do not
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  Speaker 1: celebrate wild card wins with parades or banners or anything
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  Speaker 1: like that. All right, we don't do that here. We
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  Speaker 1: are super Bowl or bust. We are title or bust.
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  Speaker 1: We shouldn't lose that. Like, That's a great part about
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  Speaker 1: this city and uh, these sports fans. Well, Bart, I
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  Speaker 1: gave the house money take last week. I gave the
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  Speaker 1: house money takes changed. I stand by it in the
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  Speaker 1: moment of course, Oh yeah, I stand by in the
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  Speaker 1: moment of the context of what we knew at this
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  Speaker 1: time last week on Saturday, and I'm sitting on my
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  Speaker 1: couch my lovely wife, and we're watching h probably the
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  Speaker 1: Bruins game at this point, because you know her, you
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  Speaker 1: got to put the Bruins game on. But I'm sitting
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  Speaker 1: there waiting for, you know, the second game to start,
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  Speaker 1: and I looked down at my phone and I got
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  Speaker 1: a push notification that says stunner Colon bo Nick's fractures
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  Speaker 1: ankle out for the rest of the season, and I just,
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  Speaker 1: all of a sudden, my energy completely shifted from I
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  Speaker 1: don't really care what happens on Sunday, house money, gravy
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  Speaker 1: if they keep winning, to holy crap, they got to
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  Speaker 1: win this game. Like now, there's a little bit of
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  Speaker 1: pressure that went on the Patriots, and I give them
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  Speaker 1: a lot of credit for going out there and winning
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  Speaker 1: the game. It happened so suddenly before the game on
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  Speaker 1: Sunday that I imagine that maybe the players didn't necessarily
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  Speaker 1: feel the same way that we all did because there
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  Speaker 1: wasn't a whole lot of time to think about it. Really,
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  Speaker 1: you know, it happened Saturday night, they played Sunday, whatever
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  Speaker 1: the case may be.
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  Speaker 2: But they absolutely.
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  Speaker 1: Have changed the stakes now, you know, this has changed everything,
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  Speaker 1: and the fact that they you know, we're playing with
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  Speaker 1: house money before I frankly, I don't feel that way
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  Speaker 1: so much anymore. I think that this is a team
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  Speaker 1: and a season and in a game on Sunday where
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  Speaker 1: you have had a lot of things go your way,
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  Speaker 1: and these are the times where you have to take
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  Speaker 1: advantage of these golden opportunities. And they did on Sunday,
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  Speaker 1: and we're gonna recap that one. We're going to do
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  Speaker 1: the good, the bad, the stuff that gets you beat
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  Speaker 1: and we're going to give them their flowers for beating
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  Speaker 1: the Houston Texans. But now you definitely have to go
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  Speaker 1: out there and win this game on Sunday in Denver.
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  Speaker 1: That's exactly how I feel about it. No more house money,
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  Speaker 1: no more gravy, go out and do it.
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  Speaker 3: They're in the final four.
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  Speaker 2: They are in the final four.
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  Speaker 4: They're in the final four. And when you get to
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  Speaker 4: this point, I mean, it's not fluky to get to
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  Speaker 4: this point. It just isn't And they can obviously go further.
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  Speaker 4: And it's just a testament to the job that that
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  Speaker 4: Mike Rabel and the staff have done and the culture
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  Speaker 4: they've built right away, and the way they've maximized the
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  Speaker 4: roster they inherited, the way they changed it all that,
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  Speaker 4: it's just it's stunning. It really, Like even the most
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  Speaker 4: optimistic of us, I think if you said, yeah, they're
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  Speaker 4: going to be a win over Jared's did them away
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  Speaker 4: from the Super Bowl back in September, would have called
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  Speaker 4: that better than a best case scenario.
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  Speaker 3: But here we are.
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  Speaker 1: It's unbelievable. It's truly unbelievable. I have not you know,
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  Speaker 1: we're gonna show our age air a little bit.
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  Speaker 2: Two thousand and one. I was nine. Yeah, okay, so
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  Speaker 2: I was there. I experienced it.
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  Speaker 3: But you were nine.
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  Speaker 2: I was nine.
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  Speaker 3: Are you a year older than me?
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  Speaker 2: Two? I was nine. I was in the third grade. Okay.
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  Speaker 2: I don't know why you do this.
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  Speaker 1: I tell you how old I was, and then you
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  Speaker 1: go and you question it like I thought I was six. Well,
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  Speaker 1: you can worry about your your math on your own time.
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  Speaker 5: Seven.
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  Speaker 1: It's not the same thing. When you're nine year old
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  Speaker 1: kid in the third grade. You don't really understand what's
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  Speaker 1: going on. You don't understand the levity, you know, the
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  Speaker 1: gravity of it at that point in time. Now that
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  Speaker 1: you do, I think it's it's the most remarkable turnaround
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  Speaker 1: I've ever seen in Boston sports. You know, absolutely, to
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  Speaker 1: go from back to back four win seasons. How low
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  Speaker 1: they were at the end of both those seasons too,
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  Speaker 1: Not just the fact that they only won four games,
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  Speaker 1: but it really just seemed extremely bleak.
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  Speaker 2: Ending the Bill Belichick era.
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  Speaker 1: His immediate replacement did not work out, firing him the
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  Speaker 1: day of the.
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  Speaker 3: Last game of the year within an hour hour and
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  Speaker 3: a half.
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  Speaker 2: Right, it was. It was a bad time.
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  Speaker 4: You know, it's kind of crazy, full circlement. I didn't
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  Speaker 4: realize this until I started digging into the Broncos. Bill
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  Speaker 4: Belichick's last win as the head coach of the Patriots
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  Speaker 4: was that Broncos was against the Broncos, Right.
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  Speaker 1: Yep U Chad Ryland, ye Chad huh. Chris Christian Barmore
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  Speaker 1: had a huge game in that game. Bailey Zappy, Russell Wilson.
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  Speaker 2: Duking it out.
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  Speaker 3: They both played well in that game.
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  Speaker 6: Yeah.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, So we can reminisce them more as the next
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  Speaker 1: two hours go. But let's talk about this game on
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  Speaker 1: Sunday against the Texans, and I just continue to just be.
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  Speaker 2: Extremely impressed.
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  Speaker 1: Uh, talk about unbelievable turnarounds. I don't know if this
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  Speaker 1: is quite as unbelievable as going from four winsday AFC
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  Speaker 1: Championship game, but the way the defense has completely flipped
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  Speaker 1: the switch, which from the regular season to the postseason
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  Speaker 1: I knew that getting their guys back was going to help,
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  Speaker 1: you know, Millan Williams, certainly, Robert Splaine, Tyris Tonga. You know,
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  Speaker 1: obviously they haven't gotten a ton out of Harold Landry,
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  Speaker 1: but Harold Landry as well in that group. I figured
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  Speaker 1: that we would go back to seeing the defense that
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  Speaker 1: we saw with the healthy Milton Williams for the first
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  Speaker 1: nine to ten weeks of the season, which was good.
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  Speaker 2: Okay.
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  Speaker 1: You know, I think some of the advanced metrics would
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  Speaker 1: say it was below average or subpar, but the regular
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  Speaker 1: metrics were always good all year long, you know, scoring,
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  Speaker 1: defense and yards and even EPA which is not opponent
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  Speaker 1: adjusted all the time like that. That's all those types
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  Speaker 1: of things would say they were a pretty good defense.
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  Speaker 1: But we knew about the straight to schedule, YadA, YadA, YadA.
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  Speaker 1: We had no idea that I really sided, and I
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  Speaker 1: want to talk for you. I had no idea that
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  Speaker 1: they were going to come out and give up one
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  Speaker 1: touchdown on twenty four opponent possessions, and that one touchdow
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  Speaker 1: On drive being a twenty seven yard touchdown drive off
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  Speaker 1: of Patriots turnover.
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  Speaker 2: I never would have guessed that.
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  Speaker 1: You know, they've held the Texans and the Chargers one
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  Speaker 1: for six in the red zone through two games. They
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  Speaker 1: were the thirtieth ranked red zone defense in the NFL.
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  Speaker 1: During the regular season, they're giving up i think it
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  Speaker 1: was almost seventy percent of their red zone drives or
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  Speaker 1: ending in touchdowns. Now they're giving up sixteen percent of
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  Speaker 1: their red zone drives adding in touchdowns. They're making their
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  Speaker 1: you know, causing turnovers. They are absolutely dominating the line
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  Speaker 1: of scrimmage through two games, and we'll get to that.
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  Speaker 1: You know, some of that is his opponent driven as well.
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  Speaker 1: They have Phase two of the worst, if not the
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  Speaker 1: worst offensive lines in football. So but they have absolutely
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  Speaker 1: taken advantage of that opportunity and they've dominated the trenches
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  Speaker 1: and they have also you know, another thing we can
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  Speaker 1: get to is how they've sort of flipped their play
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  Speaker 1: calling strategy on its head and now they kind of
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  Speaker 1: flipped it and now they're getting more aggressive on early
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  Speaker 1: downs and relying on that to get them into third
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  Speaker 1: and long. And then when they get into third and long,
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  Speaker 1: that's when they're kind of winning. With some of the
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  Speaker 1: zone structures that we saw that they were really calling
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  Speaker 1: on first down most of the time in the regular season.
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  Speaker 2: So whether it's getting.
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  Speaker 1: Your guys all back, whether it's up in the play
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  Speaker 1: in the postseason, all the things that the players deserve
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  Speaker 1: credit for, or all the things that Mike Rabel and
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  Speaker 1: Zach Corer deserve credit for, this defense is carrying them.
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  Speaker 1: They are in the AC Championship game because of their defense,
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  Speaker 1: which I did not expect to be saying.
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  Speaker 3: Yeah. And I think it comes down really to two things.
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  Speaker 4: One, you talked about how we had mentioned, you know,
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  Speaker 4: we were getting a lot of questions about the defense.
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  Speaker 3: What's wrong, what's wrong?
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  Speaker 4: What's wrong when they did kind of limp in down
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  Speaker 4: the stretch there, but they were down multiple key players
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  Speaker 4: playing Milton Williams right, those guys Kiris Tonga. The question
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  Speaker 4: was when those guys come back, you know, are they
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  Speaker 4: coming back on hundred whatever? And like, just because you
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  Speaker 4: were getting the back doesn't mean they were gonna be
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  Speaker 4: the same players they were before they got hurt, And
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  Speaker 4: usually they're not. Usually guys come back and there's some right,
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  Speaker 4: there's been no rust. Usually guys come back and there's
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  Speaker 4: russ there's been no rust. Those guys have stepped right in,
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  Speaker 4: picked up where they left off. So that's allowed things
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  Speaker 4: to jump and then the other side of it, and
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  Speaker 4: people were wondering at the time, like, why are they
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  Speaker 4: calling the defense this way? Why are they calling the
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  Speaker 4: defense that way? I think Zach Korr was getting a
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  Speaker 4: lot of heat. Zach Korr has called two excellent games
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  Speaker 4: in the playoffs. Yes, to your point about the play calling,
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  Speaker 4: he's been outstanding. I'm sure Mike Vrabel has played a
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  Speaker 4: hand in that. I'm sure Tree Williams has played a
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  Speaker 4: hand in that, and other coaches. But Zach Korr has
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  Speaker 4: been on a heater here these last two games and
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  Speaker 4: deserves a ton of credit for what this defense has done.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, so let's start there. It was Zach Korran and
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  Speaker 1: the play calling. Like I said, they they've really flipped
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  Speaker 1: the script from their early down play calling sequencing in
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  Speaker 1: the regular season to what it has been in the postseason.
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  Speaker 2: So in the regular season, and I know it drove a.
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  Speaker 1: Lot of people crazy, They're playing a lot of soft
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  Speaker 1: zone coverage, a lot of four man rush on first down,
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  Speaker 1: and they were giving up a lot of arts on
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  Speaker 1: first down. And one of the things that I wrote
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  Speaker 1: about an after further review is something that you know,
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  Speaker 1: the defensive community of coaches and things like that is
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  Speaker 1: talking a lot more about now is how can we
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  Speaker 1: win first down? Because what happens is, especially with all
• 10:21
  Speaker 1: the influence from the Shanahan Tree and all this kind
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  Speaker 1: of stuff, these offenses are getting so good at building
• 10:29
  Speaker 1: the play action pass game off the run game. So
• 10:32
  Speaker 1: if you get into that loop of run, play action pass,
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  Speaker 1: play action pass, run, it's extremely difficult to stop that.
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  Speaker 1: The rhythm that it creates offensively, the easy throws it creates,
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  Speaker 1: and the layups that it creates for quarterbacks in the
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  Speaker 1: play action passing game, the explosive plays that it creates
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  Speaker 1: in the play action passing game can be can be lethal,
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  Speaker 1: and it can be really hard to break that sort
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  Speaker 1: of trend. If it's first and ten becomes second and five,
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  Speaker 1: second and five becomes a play action pass, and we're
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  Speaker 1: back to first down, and we kind of never get
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  Speaker 1: into third and pass where you can start to drop
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  Speaker 1: your blitzes and your exotic coverages and there were you know,
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  Speaker 1: all the heavy rotations and all that kind of stuff
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  Speaker 1: you can.
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  Speaker 2: If you can never get.
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  Speaker 1: To that sort of thing, then it's really hard to
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  Speaker 1: get off the field defensively. So everybody's focus has been
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  Speaker 1: turned to how can we win first down? And in
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  Speaker 1: the regular season, the Patriots were twenty fifth in success
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  Speaker 1: rate on first down. They're one of the worst first
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  Speaker 1: down defenses in football. They have been third out of
• 11:41
  Speaker 1: the playoff teams, and first down they've improved by almost
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  Speaker 1: ten percent with their success rate on first down defense.
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  Speaker 1: They've basically been the best first down defense in football
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  Speaker 1: in the playoffs. And that's including having Seattle's defense in
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  Speaker 1: the playoffs, having Houston's defense in the playoffs, having the
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  Speaker 1: Rams defense, the Broncos defense, so they they've done it
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  Speaker 1: by winning first down.
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  Speaker 2: So you know, you get aggressive on first down.
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  Speaker 1: There's been a lot of five man pressure on first down,
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  Speaker 1: a lot of man coverage on first down.
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  Speaker 2: And now first down.
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  Speaker 1: Becomes second and eight, second and nine, second and ten,
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  Speaker 1: and that's when you can really start to get creative
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  Speaker 1: because now you're getting these teams into drop back pass
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  Speaker 1: where you know a pass is coming, and so you
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  Speaker 1: can sort of feast on that predictability from the offense
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  Speaker 1: so that once they get it at a first down
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  Speaker 1: into second and long into third and long, now here
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  Speaker 1: come the cover.
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  Speaker 2: Zeros, Here come the blitzes.
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  Speaker 1: Here comes all the different stuff that we've been seeing
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  Speaker 1: from this Patriots defense. So I think we all sort
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  Speaker 1: of thought that this could happen, that with Christian Gonzalez
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  Speaker 1: and Carlton Davis and Marcus Jones, they might just go
• 12:53
  Speaker 1: from a twenty seven percent man coverage rate to a
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  Speaker 1: forty percent man coverage rate in the playoffs and just
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  Speaker 1: start playing a lot of man. And that has mostly
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  Speaker 1: been what's happened, and so now you're seeing a lot
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  Speaker 1: of that come to fruition. Now the question is is, like,
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  Speaker 1: why didn't they play like this all year?
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  Speaker 3: Right?
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  Speaker 1: And I think my reasoning for that was you were
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  Speaker 1: playing a lot of offenses that had bad quarterbacks.
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  Speaker 2: Frankly, that had bad quarterbacks.
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  Speaker 1: And when you're going up against the Dylan Gabriels and
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  Speaker 1: the Spencer Rattlers and a young cam Ward and whoever
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  Speaker 1: the Jets are trotting out there, Quinn viewers like, I
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  Speaker 1: think the biggest thing defensively that you want to do
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  Speaker 1: is just make those teams go on ten, twelve, thirteen
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  Speaker 1: play drives, Like you want to make those teams march
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  Speaker 1: and consistently execute. So they played a little bit more
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  Speaker 1: of a ben don't break branded defense. Now they're getting
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  Speaker 1: into the playoffs and they're getting into at least what
• 13:53
  Speaker 1: should be better competition hasn't necessarily been that way. They
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  Speaker 1: they've turned it up a notch and they've been more aggressive.
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  Speaker 1: They've played to their strengths more with man coverage and
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  Speaker 1: it's working. So I fully expect and we're going to
• 14:08
  Speaker 1: get into the Broncos plenty here, especially in the second
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  Speaker 1: hour of the show.
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  Speaker 2: I fully expect that to continue.
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  Speaker 1: I know Jared Stidham kind of probably fits for most
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  Speaker 1: people in that first category, but this is the AMC
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  Speaker 1: Championship thing, and.
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  Speaker 4: It's working, and you stick with the hot hand and
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  Speaker 4: you stick it with you stick with what's working, what's
• 14:25
  Speaker 4: gotten here.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah.
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  Speaker 1: Absolutely, So you know that that's really been the most
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  Speaker 1: impressive part to me is you know the way that
• 14:35
  Speaker 1: they have completely changed up their play calling so far
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  Speaker 1: in the playoffs, And you know, I'll just put this
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  Speaker 1: caveat out there too and then we can move on.
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  Speaker 1: It's a two game sample size, so I think that
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  Speaker 1: they've changed their philosophy. The numbers back up that they've
• 14:52
  Speaker 1: changed their philosophy. But it is only two games. So
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  Speaker 1: when I look at forty percent, blitz rate eleven sent
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  Speaker 1: cover zero rate thirty five to forty percent, depending on
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  Speaker 1: where you look man coverage rate. It's different than looking
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  Speaker 1: at it in a seventeen to eighteen game sample, you
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  Speaker 1: know where there's a lot of.
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  Speaker 3: Different It is two games, it's two playoff games. We
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  Speaker 3: know they can do it.
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  Speaker 4: We know they can do it at a high level.
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  Speaker 4: Like yep, no, there's a reason to stick with it.
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  Speaker 1: Oh yeah, no, there's no debt that they should be
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  Speaker 1: sticking with it, and it's definitely worked. The other thing
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  Speaker 1: that has just really worked and stood out from everybody
• 15:27
  Speaker 1: it's perspective, i'm sure, is how much the defensive line
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  Speaker 1: has just dominated a line of scrimmage two weeks in
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  Speaker 1: a row. And I mentioned that it's, you know, not
• 15:35
  Speaker 1: a good Texans offensive line. They were also missing Trent Brown,
• 15:37
  Speaker 1: They're starting right tackle, so they were on their backup
• 15:41
  Speaker 1: right tackle, backup guard. We can talk about that in
• 15:44
  Speaker 1: a second as well. Some things that Texans did in
• 15:47
  Speaker 1: this game really were perplexing. But across the board, they
• 15:52
  Speaker 1: got contributions again from their defensive line, led by Chase
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  Speaker 1: On who's just been fantastic through two games. His fourteen
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  Speaker 1: total pressures through two games seven. In this game, Milton
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  Speaker 1: Williams had four, Dirden had four, bar Moore had three.
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  Speaker 1: Tonga was getting guys for you with picks and stuff
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  Speaker 1: like that, splitting double teams.
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  Speaker 6: Uh.
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  Speaker 1: They are getting contributions really up and down the defensive line.
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  Speaker 1: They're even getting contracts, Like they put like Leonard Taylor
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  Speaker 1: in there for a couple of snaps and he's getting pressure.
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  Speaker 1: Like you know, they they've really ponder Anthony Jennings, like
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  Speaker 1: all these guys are are contributing. All these guys are
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  Speaker 1: completely just dominated up front, run and pass game. It's
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  Speaker 1: been impressive to watch their defensive line. I mean it's
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  Speaker 1: fun to watch like they're they're just flying off the
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  Speaker 1: ball into blocks, into the line of scrimmage, flat out domination.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah.
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  Speaker 4: It's and they'll have a tougher test this week, like
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  Speaker 4: you said, against the Broncos. But this is this is
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  Speaker 4: the group I think they envisioned when they when they
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  Speaker 4: brought these guys in this offseason.
• 16:53
  Speaker 1: What do you make out of Chase on You know,
• 16:55
  Speaker 1: this this little breakout that he's having. We see this
• 16:58
  Speaker 1: happen a lot where you know of guys use the
• 17:01
  Speaker 1: playoffs to kind of help their stock and help their
• 17:04
  Speaker 1: free agency. And I'm not saying that he's only doing
• 17:06
  Speaker 1: it for that, but you know, this is a guy
• 17:09
  Speaker 1: that was a first round pick. You know, in my
• 17:14
  Speaker 1: mind kind of was drafted into a dicey situation with
• 17:17
  Speaker 1: the Jacksonville Jaguars certainly, and he was already a guy
• 17:22
  Speaker 1: at LSU that was kind of raw and wasn't exactly
• 17:28
  Speaker 1: you know, going off a large sample, like there was
• 17:29
  Speaker 1: one I don't mean to go back to the twenty
• 17:31
  Speaker 1: twenty draft, but there was one bowl game or SEC
• 17:35
  Speaker 1: championship game at LSU where he had like one of
• 17:38
  Speaker 1: these kinds of games that he had on Sunday, he
• 17:40
  Speaker 1: had an absolutely monster game and that basically made him
• 17:43
  Speaker 1: a first round pick. But we were they were always
• 17:46
  Speaker 1: kind of as a prospect. They were always hoping to
• 17:49
  Speaker 1: capture that game. Like there was a lot of streakiness
• 17:52
  Speaker 1: to his game at LSU.
• 17:54
  Speaker 2: So is this the guy that he is or is
• 17:57
  Speaker 2: he just kind of feasting in the moment.
• 18:00
  Speaker 1: You know, bad tackle play for both teams as well
• 18:03
  Speaker 1: backups things like that. You know, where where are you
• 18:05
  Speaker 1: out with Chase On in his future here? Because he's
• 18:08
  Speaker 1: going to make some money this off.
• 18:09
  Speaker 3: Time, So I think you're thinking of the playoff game
• 18:11
  Speaker 3: against Oklahoma maybe.
• 18:12
  Speaker 2: Yeah.
• 18:12
  Speaker 4: Yeah, he's always been a streaky player. This is kind
• 18:15
  Speaker 4: of who he is, and some guys are like this,
• 18:17
  Speaker 4: and he's getting hot at the right time. And maybe
• 18:18
  Speaker 4: the fact that's the playoffs, that contract is on the
• 18:20
  Speaker 4: line is a part of it, but it's this is
• 18:24
  Speaker 4: what he's done. He kind of gets hot for three
• 18:26
  Speaker 4: or four games at a time. I wouldn't hate them
• 18:29
  Speaker 4: bringing them back, you know, Like you said, he's gonna
• 18:33
  Speaker 4: make a good deal of money. They don't have a
• 18:35
  Speaker 4: ton of internal free agents, so that helps. But you
• 18:37
  Speaker 4: also have the Drake may contract looming and the Christian
• 18:40
  Speaker 4: Zoalz contract, which, by the way, he I know we'd
• 18:42
  Speaker 4: kind of talked about will they pay him? Will they
• 18:44
  Speaker 4: pay him after these last couple of games. Is this
• 18:45
  Speaker 4: is how they're gonna play? Yeah, you gotta pay him.
• 18:47
  Speaker 4: He's been outstanding. It is a good year to need
• 18:51
  Speaker 4: an edge rusher. And this is a coaching staff that
• 18:54
  Speaker 4: has a history of developing players at that position. So
• 18:56
  Speaker 4: whether it be finding a young guy in free agency
• 18:58
  Speaker 4: maybe hasn't worked out wherever he is, whether it be
• 19:01
  Speaker 4: going to the draft basically, do you trust them to
• 19:03
  Speaker 4: find the next k Levon Chase On sort of thing.
• 19:06
  Speaker 4: So I would not be opposed in bringing him back,
• 19:08
  Speaker 4: but it'll be interesting to see how they approach it
• 19:10
  Speaker 4: with some of the other contracts they have.
• 19:12
  Speaker 3: Lumit.
• 19:12
  Speaker 2: Yeah, it's a good point.
• 19:14
  Speaker 1: I think, you know, I would prioritize bringing him back
• 19:17
  Speaker 1: because I think you're gonna then create a situation where
• 19:20
  Speaker 1: you're gonna need to start in.
• 19:22
  Speaker 3: Caliber, and that's part of it. They need even if
• 19:24
  Speaker 3: they bring him back, they need an edge guy, right.
• 19:26
  Speaker 1: So it's kind of like in it was A twenty
• 19:30
  Speaker 1: one when they traded Jack Mason and then led Joe
• 19:32
  Speaker 1: touny Way and they kind of create and Ted Carris
• 19:35
  Speaker 1: and they sort of created this problem for themselves on
• 19:38
  Speaker 1: the interior offensive line they didn't need to create.
• 19:40
  Speaker 4: The reality is the guys in their range, not at
• 19:42
  Speaker 4: the top of the draft, but where this edge class
• 19:44
  Speaker 4: is strong, where they'll be picking, are more of those
• 19:46
  Speaker 4: strong side guys anyway?
• 19:47
  Speaker 1: Yeah, so usually too, And you know, I'm sure that
• 19:51
  Speaker 1: there's guys that come out that overperform their draft stocks. Yeah,
• 19:55
  Speaker 1: if you're picking, let's just let's just humor me. You're
• 19:58
  Speaker 1: picking thirty second in the draft. You're usually picking a
• 20:02
  Speaker 1: player at the edge position that's good at one thing.
• 20:04
  Speaker 1: You know, he's either good at stopping the run, he's
• 20:06
  Speaker 1: good at rushing the pass, or but the guys that
• 20:08
  Speaker 1: are good at both are going in the.
• 20:10
  Speaker 2: Top ten times.
• 20:11
  Speaker 3: It's a good draft.
• 20:11
  Speaker 1: But yeah, you're right, Yeah, it's usually specialist, more specialists
• 20:15
  Speaker 1: at that point of the draft.
• 20:17
  Speaker 2: So the defensive line has been great.
• 20:19
  Speaker 1: The other position group that I thought was mostly great,
• 20:22
  Speaker 1: you know, not perfect, but mostly in the goods was
• 20:25
  Speaker 1: of you know, the big the big three at corner,
• 20:28
  Speaker 1: the three corners, Gonzalez, Davis Jones.
• 20:32
  Speaker 2: Gonzales was targeted fifteen.
• 20:34
  Speaker 1: Times in this game, which was a career high for
• 20:36
  Speaker 1: him and I think the highest any corner has been
• 20:38
  Speaker 1: targeted in a game this season in the NFL, and
• 20:41
  Speaker 1: he only gave up one play over twenty yards. On
• 20:45
  Speaker 1: fifteen targets, it was like eight catches for sixty five
• 20:49
  Speaker 1: fifty five yards or something like that.
• 20:51
  Speaker 2: It's like eight yards of catch. Despite the fact that
• 20:53
  Speaker 2: he was targeted as much as he was, it was weird.
• 20:56
  Speaker 4: It felt like the Texans game plan was throwing underneath
• 20:59
  Speaker 4: and forced Chris to tackle, which, okay, if he was
• 21:02
  Speaker 4: a rookie that I remember that was kind of the
• 21:04
  Speaker 4: knock on him as a rookie was he wasn't the
• 21:06
  Speaker 4: most willing or physical tackler. He's unlocked another level at
• 21:10
  Speaker 4: this year, not just a good tackler, but he and
• 21:12
  Speaker 4: he had another one in this game.
• 21:13
  Speaker 3: He hits, he'll he'll lay the lumber.
• 21:15
  Speaker 4: And so I didn't understand why that, Like did Houston
• 21:18
  Speaker 4: not have any tape on him from the last two years?
• 21:20
  Speaker 3: That was a little weird time.
• 21:21
  Speaker 1: I mean, you're not gonna beat him deep like, so
• 21:24
  Speaker 1: you know, he's basically impossible to complete a deep pass against.
• 21:27
  Speaker 1: So I just I don't know if you're going to
• 21:29
  Speaker 1: have to target him, which is sort of where the
• 21:31
  Speaker 1: coverage was taking Strat a lot of the time, because
• 21:35
  Speaker 1: that's where you know they were leaving him one on
• 21:36
  Speaker 1: one on the back side a lot.
• 21:38
  Speaker 2: So like, what else are you going to kind of do?
• 21:40
  Speaker 1: Like you're not going to beat him, especially not without
• 21:42
  Speaker 1: Nico Collins, Like you're not going to have like Jaden
• 21:44
  Speaker 1: Higgins or Xavier Hutchinson's not running by Christian Zalaz, although
• 21:47
  Speaker 1: Higgins almost did, So that was the one rep where
• 21:50
  Speaker 1: I thought he got kind of lucky that there was
• 21:53
  Speaker 1: no PI on that play. But he also kind of
• 21:55
  Speaker 1: got pushed off on the back shoulder, you know, slot
• 21:58
  Speaker 1: fade there, I thought as well. So I kind of
• 22:01
  Speaker 1: chocked those two things up to a wash because I
• 22:03
  Speaker 1: thought they might have kept a flag in the pocket
• 22:06
  Speaker 1: on that one deep target to Higgins because they didn't
• 22:09
  Speaker 1: call the first push off. That was his only big
• 22:12
  Speaker 1: play that he allowed. Marcus Jones obviously had to pick six.
• 22:16
  Speaker 1: I thought there was some stuff early that from a
• 22:19
  Speaker 1: zone standpoint that we'll get to in the bads that
• 22:21
  Speaker 1: Marcus Jones was in the middle of. But pick six
• 22:24
  Speaker 1: is a pick six, you know, Yeah, you have a
• 22:25
  Speaker 1: great return there. And then Carlton Davis two interceptions, another
• 22:29
  Speaker 1: pass breakup. I actually thought he could have had three.
• 22:31
  Speaker 1: I thought the pass breakup he could have caught two.
• 22:34
  Speaker 1: So yeah, he had two, you know three you know,
• 22:37
  Speaker 1: plays on the ball in this game, and he was
• 22:40
  Speaker 1: really good in this game as well. But when they
• 22:42
  Speaker 1: put this cornerback trio together in the off season, a
• 22:45
  Speaker 1: game like this, you know, interceptions, ball production, you know,
• 22:50
  Speaker 1: getting getting your hands on the football, shutting guys down
• 22:53
  Speaker 1: in man coverage like this was this was the vision,
• 22:56
  Speaker 1: This is what they wanted.
• 22:57
  Speaker 3: Is exactly what you were a building tours yep under Perc.
• 23:01
  Speaker 1: The other thing here that I wrote down just some
• 23:03
  Speaker 1: like I thought, unsung heroes on the defense from this
• 23:06
  Speaker 1: game that didn't necessarily register on the stat sheet like
• 23:09
  Speaker 1: the guys but we brought up first.
• 23:12
  Speaker 2: I still continue to just be.
• 23:15
  Speaker 1: Really impressed with the with Craig Woodson and the play
• 23:19
  Speaker 1: that he's bringing to the table. I don't think he
• 23:21
  Speaker 1: gets talked about enough that this is a rookie that
• 23:25
  Speaker 1: has played the most defensive snaps out of any Patriot
• 23:28
  Speaker 1: player on defense this season and is playing well.
• 23:33
  Speaker 2: I love how fast he plays.
• 23:35
  Speaker 1: He is a extremely his play speat is off the charts.
• 23:41
  Speaker 1: He plays extremely fast, extremely hard. Broke up a couple
• 23:45
  Speaker 1: of passes in this game. I had the interception on
• 23:47
  Speaker 1: the tip ball, had a quarterback hit on a blitz
• 23:50
  Speaker 1: as well.
• 23:51
  Speaker 2: In this game.
• 23:52
  Speaker 1: He flies, you know, he flies around it, plays all
• 23:55
  Speaker 1: over the field. It's kind of crazy that he a
• 23:58
  Speaker 1: fourth round pick, played in all these snaps on defense.
• 24:01
  Speaker 1: Now he's getting the production to back it up as well.
• 24:04
  Speaker 1: This was a fine, good This was a good scouting
• 24:06
  Speaker 1: fine by the Patriots and they were right about this pick.
• 24:09
  Speaker 4: Yeah, and that's we talk a lot during the draft
• 24:11
  Speaker 4: about you're not just necessarily drafting guy to draft him.
• 24:15
  Speaker 4: You don't and ironically on day three is more when
• 24:18
  Speaker 4: you don't have to follow this rule. It's more about
• 24:20
  Speaker 4: the top one hundred. But they its applies to Wilson here.
• 24:23
  Speaker 4: You don't draft a guy because like, oh, we like him,
• 24:25
  Speaker 4: he's good. We're not sure what role he'll play, but
• 24:27
  Speaker 4: we'll figure it out, right, We just we just want him.
• 24:30
  Speaker 4: You really want to pick players with an idea of
• 24:32
  Speaker 4: this is what this guy is going to do for
• 24:34
  Speaker 4: us in the short term and the long term, on
• 24:35
  Speaker 4: and on, and Craig Woodson, I think is an example
• 24:37
  Speaker 4: of a guy who they had a role for that
• 24:40
  Speaker 4: fits well, always fit well in the role they were
• 24:43
  Speaker 4: putting him in. I think that's why, you know, and
• 24:45
  Speaker 4: I was in this group, some people weren't super high
• 24:47
  Speaker 4: on the pick.
• 24:47
  Speaker 1: It was the one non consensus pick that I feel
• 24:50
  Speaker 1: like everybody was again right.
• 24:51
  Speaker 4: And because the role that that he's in, I don't
• 24:54
  Speaker 4: know that we like pictured existing, but they had a
• 24:58
  Speaker 4: role to be filled and I think they filled perfectly
• 25:00
  Speaker 4: and and it's it's worked out and that's how that's
• 25:03
  Speaker 4: how you hit on on day four. You talk about
• 25:05
  Speaker 4: hitting singles in the draft, Yeah, you know, that's how
• 25:07
  Speaker 4: you hit a lot more in a single on day three.
• 25:09
  Speaker 1: Yeah, it's a starting caliber player. And you know, in
• 25:13
  Speaker 1: the fourth round, which is you know, huge for this team,
• 25:16
  Speaker 1: and they needed that. They need not only do they
• 25:19
  Speaker 1: need to hit at the top of the draft, they
• 25:21
  Speaker 1: needed to start hitting on some of these gems as well.
• 25:23
  Speaker 1: And I know that they you know, they hit on
• 25:25
  Speaker 1: like the Booties and the Pop Douglases, you know, during
• 25:28
  Speaker 1: the end of the Belichick years too. But hitting on
• 25:31
  Speaker 1: a Craig Woodson in the fourth round is is crucial
• 25:33
  Speaker 1: for their team building because you're not gonna it's not
• 25:35
  Speaker 1: all going to be you know, top five picks, like
• 25:37
  Speaker 1: it's not all going to be Drake Mason, Will Campbell's,
• 25:39
  Speaker 1: so they had to hit on some of these guys.
• 25:43
  Speaker 1: Anthony Jennings another one that I just wrote down. I
• 25:45
  Speaker 1: thought he was really disruptive in this game. He had
• 25:47
  Speaker 1: the sack, he had a couple of hurries in this
• 25:49
  Speaker 1: game as well. Harold Landry is not right he's not healthy. No,
• 25:53
  Speaker 1: he's gutting it out with a little bit of opportunity
• 25:56
  Speaker 1: that they're giving him. And Anthony Jennings has taken that
• 26:01
  Speaker 1: role opposite of Klevon Chase On and has played it
• 26:04
  Speaker 1: at a really really high level. And I don't know
• 26:07
  Speaker 1: that could have been a really big sort of Jenga
• 26:10
  Speaker 1: piece if they had pulled that out with Harold Landry
• 26:14
  Speaker 1: and they didn't really have anybody that was capable of
• 26:17
  Speaker 1: replacing him, then that would have been a huge issue,
• 26:21
  Speaker 1: you know, whether it had been in the run game
• 26:23
  Speaker 1: or the pass game. So being able to have Anthony
• 26:27
  Speaker 1: Jennings just kind of step up and step into this role,
• 26:30
  Speaker 1: you know, they kind of I don't want to say
• 26:32
  Speaker 1: they got lucky, but they evaluated the safety position correctly.
• 26:36
  Speaker 1: They moved on from Jabrill Peppers, and they moved on
• 26:38
  Speaker 1: from Kyle Duggar, and they put Craig Woodson and Jalen
• 26:42
  Speaker 1: Hawkins in and they were right.
• 26:43
  Speaker 2: They knew it. They were correct.
• 26:45
  Speaker 1: They held on to Anthony Jennings, and I don't know
• 26:49
  Speaker 1: if that was because he didn't have.
• 26:50
  Speaker 2: A market like who knows what the real.
• 26:52
  Speaker 1: Reasons were for holding on from Anthony jen to Anthony Jennings.
• 26:56
  Speaker 2: But they did, and it's paid huge.
• 26:59
  Speaker 1: Dividends that Landry is compromising, is not himself. It's paid
• 27:04
  Speaker 1: huge dividends. He's been a starting caliber player for them
• 27:07
  Speaker 1: in the playoff and.
• 27:07
  Speaker 4: It's credit tam Free Jennings. Like we talked about this
• 27:09
  Speaker 4: in camp. He looked like he was going to get cut. Yeah,
• 27:12
  Speaker 4: just based on how they were using him. And was
• 27:14
  Speaker 4: it the second or I think it was the second
• 27:16
  Speaker 4: preseason game.
• 27:17
  Speaker 3: He was just awesome.
• 27:18
  Speaker 4: Yeah, and he forced their hand, and you can do
• 27:21
  Speaker 4: that at times, especially on a roster that needed turnover,
• 27:24
  Speaker 4: was a lesser roster at the time. It was a
• 27:27
  Speaker 4: coaching staff that was at the front office that was
• 27:29
  Speaker 4: clearly going to overturn things.
• 27:31
  Speaker 3: He forced their hand to keep them.
• 27:32
  Speaker 2: Yeah.
• 27:33
  Speaker 4: He was just that good and so he deserves a
• 27:35
  Speaker 4: lot of credit in that too. But yeah, he's he's
• 27:37
  Speaker 4: kind of stepped into a key role for them here.
• 27:39
  Speaker 1: Okay, So that was the defense. I mean, there's a
• 27:41
  Speaker 1: lot of other things. I could probably gush about it
• 27:43
  Speaker 1: with the defense, but I think that does the trick.
• 27:46
  Speaker 1: Moving over to the offense, there were some things that
• 27:48
  Speaker 1: I thought were good, even though it was a pretty
• 27:50
  Speaker 1: sloppy game. I just want to isolate, you know, some
• 27:53
  Speaker 1: of the things we're going to talk about with Drake
• 27:54
  Speaker 1: May that weren't on the goods. With the three touchdown
• 27:57
  Speaker 1: passes that were all spectacular throws.
• 28:00
  Speaker 2: I would say that one of Douglas.
• 28:01
  Speaker 1: Is more a spectacular play, you know, in terms of
• 28:04
  Speaker 1: dealing with the pressure and with the cover zero there
• 28:07
  Speaker 1: and sort of having an answer for that look. But
• 28:10
  Speaker 1: the throat of digs and the throat of booty. The
• 28:13
  Speaker 1: booty catch is one of the best catches I've seen
• 28:15
  Speaker 1: in person. I mean, that was just an unbelievable catch.
• 28:18
  Speaker 1: But these are the types of plays that even in
• 28:21
  Speaker 1: a game where I don't think he played particularly well.
• 28:23
  Speaker 2: On the whole of the game.
• 28:26
  Speaker 1: This is why the Patriots are also advancing is because
• 28:29
  Speaker 1: their quarterback keeps on making three or four plays a
• 28:32
  Speaker 1: game that are elite level plays that Justin Herbert and C. J.
• 28:36
  Speaker 1: Stroud have not been able to make for their teams.
• 28:39
  Speaker 1: And again, even on days where he hasn't been at
• 28:42
  Speaker 1: his best, Drake May has still made a handful of
• 28:46
  Speaker 1: plays that have elevated the Patriots and put the Patriots
• 28:49
  Speaker 1: in a position to win the football game. So whether
• 28:52
  Speaker 1: it was you know, in the second half against the
• 28:55
  Speaker 1: Chargers or the Booty.
• 28:57
  Speaker 2: Touchdown here, those are plays that the opponent is not getting.
• 29:01
  Speaker 1: And I look at all these advanced metrics that I love,
• 29:04
  Speaker 1: and C. J. Stroud and Drake May both did not
• 29:07
  Speaker 1: grade out well in this game. I actually think Stroud
• 29:10
  Speaker 1: actually had a higher QBR, which is crazy.
• 29:13
  Speaker 3: Yeah, I know what I saw.
• 29:14
  Speaker 1: But Drake May made the better plays in the game. Yeah, right,
• 29:17
  Speaker 1: like he made the higher level plays. He made the
• 29:19
  Speaker 1: elite level plays. Even though the down to down success
• 29:23
  Speaker 1: rate was terrible. Those three individual plays and why the
• 29:27
  Speaker 1: Patriots advanced.
• 29:28
  Speaker 4: Yeah, and this is what it means being a high
• 29:31
  Speaker 4: level quarterback. Sometimes you're not gonna go out and throw
• 29:32
  Speaker 4: four hundred yards and three touchdowns every day. That's just
• 29:35
  Speaker 4: it's the National Football League, especially in the playoffs, not
• 29:37
  Speaker 4: going to happen. When you're having a down day. Can
• 29:39
  Speaker 4: you still make a player too to get your team
• 29:41
  Speaker 4: over the top, especially when the other guy can't. And
• 29:42
  Speaker 4: that's what Drake May did. Now, you don't want to
• 29:45
  Speaker 4: do that every game either. That's not good, that's not sustainable.
• 29:48
  Speaker 4: Somebody in Buffalo just got his coach fired by doing that,
• 29:51
  Speaker 4: but you we can talk about that well, so he
• 29:55
  Speaker 4: maynies do a better job holding onto the football first
• 29:57
  Speaker 4: and foremost, and that's combination things that him that's the
• 30:00
  Speaker 4: offensive line will get in all of that. But he
• 30:04
  Speaker 4: made the plays that Justin Herbert couldn't make. He made
• 30:06
  Speaker 4: the plays that CJ. Just Draft couldn't make. And that's
• 30:08
  Speaker 4: the difference right now, and that there is a level
• 30:11
  Speaker 4: of high level quarterbacking to that in the macro and
• 30:14
  Speaker 4: the micro. You don't want to be in that situation
• 30:17
  Speaker 4: where it's just three plays deciding the game.
• 30:19
  Speaker 3: You want to play a little.
• 30:20
  Speaker 4: More level and a little more comfortable football than what
• 30:22
  Speaker 4: Drake may is doing right now.
• 30:23
  Speaker 3: But credit to him.
• 30:24
  Speaker 4: Him and the receivers are making the plays that the
• 30:27
  Speaker 4: few plays they need to make to get over the
• 30:28
  Speaker 4: top with the defense playing spectacularly.
• 30:31
  Speaker 2: One hundred per Yeah, it's been the difference.
• 30:33
  Speaker 1: And I know that the defense I set at the
• 30:36
  Speaker 1: top of the show of the defense is driven the
• 30:38
  Speaker 1: bus and they're why they're in the AFC Championship game.
• 30:40
  Speaker 2: And that's one hundred percent true.
• 30:42
  Speaker 1: But without these three or four plays a game against
• 30:45
  Speaker 1: the Chargers and against the Texans, the Patriots would not
• 30:48
  Speaker 1: be advancing either, so you have to kind of, you know,
• 30:50
  Speaker 1: say the good and the bad. There the other couple
• 30:53
  Speaker 1: of things I had on the offense. On the goods,
• 30:55
  Speaker 1: I actually thought on the whole Will Campbell removed from
• 31:01
  Speaker 1: this conversation. I thought the rest of the offensive line
• 31:04
  Speaker 1: held up pretty well in this game.
• 31:05
  Speaker 3: I thought Jared Wilson struggled too. The right side was great.
• 31:07
  Speaker 3: Morgan Moses was unbelievable.
• 31:09
  Speaker 1: Jared Wilson I only had for two pressures in the game.
• 31:13
  Speaker 1: He was the other one that had a couple pressures allowed.
• 31:16
  Speaker 1: Morgan Moses and Garrett Bradbury both were clean and on
• 31:20
  Speaker 1: when it allowed. One got beat by Rankins on one play.
• 31:24
  Speaker 1: I actually didn't think the pressure right was all that
• 31:26
  Speaker 1: bad in this game. PFF had it at twenty five percent.
• 31:30
  Speaker 1: Next Gen had a twenty five. I would say, you know,
• 31:32
  Speaker 1: somewhere in that twenty five to thirty ranges about right,
• 31:36
  Speaker 1: Will Campbell, we'll get to.
• 31:37
  Speaker 3: Like, well, you know, I think there was some of
• 31:39
  Speaker 3: it too, is like may holding the ball too long?
• 31:40
  Speaker 2: Yeah, and we'll get to all of that.
• 31:42
  Speaker 1: But I actually watching it back, I felt like they
• 31:47
  Speaker 1: had a lot more clean pockets and it felt like
• 31:49
  Speaker 1: watching it live. And I think that this tends to
• 31:52
  Speaker 1: happen with the offensive line and with pass protection in general.
• 31:55
  Speaker 1: When you have three catastrophic plays like the strip sacks were,
• 32:00
  Speaker 1: it just kind of throws out everything else, you know,
• 32:03
  Speaker 1: And I get that, and I'm not trying to, you know,
• 32:06
  Speaker 1: absolve or or detract from that or not mention it.
• 32:11
  Speaker 2: But when I went back and watched.
• 32:13
  Speaker 1: It, I thought that there were like probably thirty to
• 32:17
  Speaker 1: twenty five to thirty decent pockets and then three horrible
• 32:21
  Speaker 1: pockets like that can get your beat.
• 32:23
  Speaker 2: Yeah, one hundred percent, And that's why it's on the list.
• 32:25
  Speaker 1: But I think it worthy of mentioning, especially Morgan Moses'
• 32:29
  Speaker 1: performance in this game. Morgan Moses pitching a shutout against
• 32:32
  Speaker 1: Daniel Hunter is extremely impressive. Yeah, And the one sack
• 32:36
  Speaker 1: that was happened, you know, on his side, Drake May
• 32:39
  Speaker 1: drifted into and I put that one more on May
• 32:42
  Speaker 1: than I did on Moses. The fumble that was backed
• 32:44
  Speaker 1: up near the Patriots own goal line, I felt like
• 32:47
  Speaker 1: was more on Drake May. So in general, I just
• 32:50
  Speaker 1: thought that the line was much better than I thought
• 32:52
  Speaker 1: it was watching live. The last one here, I'm just
• 32:56
  Speaker 1: gonna gush a little bit about this. The six minute
• 33:00
  Speaker 1: drive in the fourth quarter was poetry like that is
• 33:03
  Speaker 1: cinema like that was We're just gonna run it right
• 33:06
  Speaker 1: down your throats. You know we're running it. We know
• 33:09
  Speaker 1: we're running it. Uh just you know, four minute offense,
• 33:13
  Speaker 1: situational football. Let's close this thing out to run it
• 33:17
  Speaker 1: against that defense off your own four yard line like that.
• 33:20
  Speaker 1: That was some big boy football like that is championship
• 33:24
  Speaker 1: caliber stuff. It was really freaking good.
• 33:27
  Speaker 2: It was really good.
• 33:28
  Speaker 4: I was saying to my buddy like kind of joking,
• 33:30
  Speaker 4: kind of not is that the bet one of the
• 33:33
  Speaker 4: best drives in Patriots history that didn't result in points. Yeah, like,
• 33:39
  Speaker 4: obviously you want to end with points, but if you're
• 33:41
  Speaker 4: not gonna get points at for the for the moment
• 33:43
  Speaker 4: that they were in right there, hell of a drive,
• 33:48
  Speaker 4: hell of a drive to put that essentially put the
• 33:49
  Speaker 4: game away.
• 33:50
  Speaker 2: Yeah, it was. It was fantastic.
• 33:52
  Speaker 1: And Mike on Wanhu on that drive that was we're
• 33:55
  Speaker 1: running behind seventy one and seventy six to the Promised Land,
• 33:59
  Speaker 1: and those two eyes just more more's Moses and on Wenne,
• 34:03
  Speaker 1: but especially on Wenne with some of the reach blocks
• 34:05
  Speaker 1: that he made in their zone schemes to get them
• 34:07
  Speaker 1: off the goal line was fantastic.
• 34:09
  Speaker 7: You know.
• 34:10
  Speaker 1: Efkein Chisholm through some good blocks in that drive too,
• 34:13
  Speaker 1: had a couple of good ones. Jack Westover, I thought
• 34:16
  Speaker 1: was actually pretty good on that drive as well. You know,
• 34:18
  Speaker 1: they got the sixth offensive lineman in there, which we'll
• 34:21
  Speaker 1: get to in a second, and they just ran the
• 34:23
  Speaker 1: ball right down their throats and and also just mentioning
• 34:27
  Speaker 1: this real quick, the Texans were ripping at the football
• 34:32
  Speaker 1: as they should be in that situation. And we all
• 34:35
  Speaker 1: know the fumbling issues knock on wood that remind me
• 34:37
  Speaker 1: Stevenson had earlier on in the season. Every single time
• 34:41
  Speaker 1: I you know, it's whether this show or I'm listening
• 34:43
  Speaker 1: to your station or whatever, I still hear people will
• 34:45
  Speaker 1: be like, I'm still worried every single time he carries
• 34:48
  Speaker 1: the ball that he's gonna fumble. They were coming after
• 34:51
  Speaker 1: the ball on that drive and he was grinding out
• 34:55
  Speaker 1: some dirty yards like that wasn't like he was he
• 34:57
  Speaker 1: had these giant holes to run through, you know, like
• 35:01
  Speaker 1: you see sometimes that was big boy football.
• 35:04
  Speaker 2: And he held onto the ball and he rammed.
• 35:06
  Speaker 4: It then went down and they went right at to
• 35:08
  Speaker 4: Neil Hunter, right at Will Anderson to really good run stoppers.
• 35:11
  Speaker 4: Like those guys don't get enough credit for being the
• 35:13
  Speaker 4: run stoppers they are because they were going off tackle
• 35:15
  Speaker 4: good amount on that drive.
• 35:16
  Speaker 3: They really weren't testing the middle.
• 35:18
  Speaker 2: I loved it.
• 35:19
  Speaker 3: That was awesome.
• 35:20
  Speaker 4: That's that was my saying right there about established the run,
• 35:24
  Speaker 4: established line of scrimmage, where him now that that that's
• 35:26
  Speaker 4: what I watched the game for. That was even though
• 35:28
  Speaker 4: it's in points, that was that was awesome. And they
• 35:31
  Speaker 4: have I think it's the first run of that drive
• 35:33
  Speaker 4: right where they try to hemmerm Entre into the sideline
• 35:36
  Speaker 4: and he cuts back in and he willingly takes the
• 35:38
  Speaker 4: hit to stay in bounds and.
• 35:39
  Speaker 3: He was running.
• 35:40
  Speaker 2: That was actually the next drive.
• 35:42
  Speaker 3: Okay, either way, that was a great one. That wasn't
• 35:43
  Speaker 3: mentioned that that was.
• 35:44
  Speaker 1: Another run that was you know, just situational football. Knowing
• 35:46
  Speaker 1: not to go out of bounds. Also Al Scheier like
• 35:49
  Speaker 1: try to take his head off, which of course he did,
• 35:52
  Speaker 1: and so you know, it was it was just great
• 35:56
  Speaker 1: to watch. You know that that is when the run
• 35:59
  Speaker 1: game really in the playoffs. And I also just thought,
• 36:03
  Speaker 1: you know, not to completely be pants off about this,
• 36:06
  Speaker 1: but this was this was awesome.
• 36:07
  Speaker 8: This was not do it.
• 36:08
  Speaker 2: This was football at its finest.
• 36:10
  Speaker 1: Uh. Like, that's you always get on my guys for
• 36:13
  Speaker 1: not doing that kind of thing, right like the like
• 36:16
  Speaker 1: you know, you always get on the Kyle Shanahans of
• 36:17
  Speaker 1: the world for throwing and like in that situation, that
• 36:21
  Speaker 1: game was it was twenty eight to sixteen, there was
• 36:24
  Speaker 1: ten minutes left. You were not playing to score points
• 36:27
  Speaker 1: at that point. You were playing the clock. You were
• 36:29
  Speaker 1: trying to chew clock. And they ran six minutes off
• 36:32
  Speaker 1: the clock.
• 36:34
  Speaker 3: Away.
• 36:35
  Speaker 1: Not only did they run six minutes, they ran ten plays.
• 36:38
  Speaker 1: They got it out to the fifties so that they
• 36:40
  Speaker 1: could punt and flip the field.
• 36:43
  Speaker 7: It was.
• 36:43
  Speaker 1: It was just so you admit, under perfect matters in
• 36:47
  Speaker 1: this stuff is relevant and it it can differentiate.
• 36:49
  Speaker 2: You're welcome.
• 36:50
  Speaker 4: I'm just making just keep that, keep that although there's
• 36:53
  Speaker 4: not many of your guys left in the playoffs, and
• 36:55
  Speaker 4: are there any Sean McVay, Oh yeah, Well I've always
• 36:58
  Speaker 4: said mcveigh's a McVeigh I think has figured that out.
• 37:01
  Speaker 4: Mcveag's the one that has is better about that because
• 37:04
  Speaker 4: I think he had Wade Phillips for years, and Wade
• 37:06
  Speaker 4: Phillips drilled it into his head that that stuff is important.
• 37:09
  Speaker 4: So it was great, But that was that was That's
• 37:11
  Speaker 4: how you manage the clock. That's how you close out
• 37:13
  Speaker 4: a game. You don't have you don't go bombs away.
• 37:16
  Speaker 2: All right, let's get to the bads.
• 37:18
  Speaker 1: So handful of things on the bads and then a
• 37:20
  Speaker 1: couple of things on the stuff that gets to beat UH.
• 37:23
  Speaker 1: In terms of the play calling offensively, I don't really
• 37:27
  Speaker 1: have any like super major gripes with Josh McDaniel's in
• 37:31
  Speaker 1: this game. It seemed to me like it was a
• 37:34
  Speaker 1: pretty simple UH plan in terms of the passing game.
• 37:38
  Speaker 2: And I think the reason for it.
• 37:40
  Speaker 1: Was all of these like crazy schemed open plays are
• 37:44
  Speaker 1: usually longer developing plays. Yeah, you need more time back there.
• 37:48
  Speaker 1: You need to either execute a fake or execute.
• 37:51
  Speaker 3: Some sort of you know, double cut route.
• 37:54
  Speaker 1: Yeah, like multiple routes, combinations and levels and guys crossing
• 37:59
  Speaker 1: and all this different stuff. And this definitely just seemed
• 38:02
  Speaker 1: like we're gonna run nine to eight nine, you know,
• 38:04
  Speaker 1: go post go and wherever that one on one is
• 38:07
  Speaker 1: when Drake is thrown up and hopefully kishon Boody catches
• 38:11
  Speaker 1: a one handed catch against Derek Stingley at some point.
• 38:14
  Speaker 8: Yeah.
• 38:14
  Speaker 2: Yeah, and that was sort of what I.
• 38:16
  Speaker 1: Think they their downfield passing game looked like because they
• 38:20
  Speaker 1: just knew they weren't going to have enough time in
• 38:22
  Speaker 1: the pocket to sit there and wait for this like
• 38:25
  Speaker 1: you know, well orchestrated pretty drawn up play to come
• 38:29
  Speaker 1: to fruition.
• 38:29
  Speaker 3: Which probably is gonna be the same thing this week.
• 38:31
  Speaker 2: Yeah.
• 38:32
  Speaker 1: But so I think that that was part of the reason,
• 38:34
  Speaker 1: because I know that a lot of people were asking, like,
• 38:36
  Speaker 1: why weren't there guys open, you know, and stuff like that,
• 38:39
  Speaker 1: and a lot of that has to do with the
• 38:41
  Speaker 1: Texans coverage, Like the Texans are great in the back end.
• 38:44
  Speaker 2: We talked about that all last week.
• 38:46
  Speaker 1: But I think some of it had to do with
• 38:47
  Speaker 1: the fact that, you really it's a tougher time to
• 38:50
  Speaker 1: start the scheme guys open when you know the ball
• 38:53
  Speaker 1: needs to come out as quickly as it does.
• 38:55
  Speaker 5: Yeah.
• 38:55
  Speaker 3: I don't know.
• 38:56
  Speaker 4: My bigger thing with the play calling was could they
• 38:58
  Speaker 4: have done more six oz with Munford because they've done
• 39:01
  Speaker 4: more to help Campbell on the left side that I
• 39:03
  Speaker 4: didn't think this. I didn't think McDaniels was terrible in
• 39:06
  Speaker 4: this game. I didn't think it was his best game either.
• 39:08
  Speaker 2: Yeah, so that was what I had written down.
• 39:11
  Speaker 1: Yeah, I was really surprised at how little they went, like,
• 39:16
  Speaker 1: you know, let's send two guys in the route max
• 39:19
  Speaker 1: protect play action. We're gonna put seven eight guys on
• 39:22
  Speaker 1: the line of scrimmage and try to block it. We're
• 39:24
  Speaker 1: gonna put you know, we're gonna get Monford out there
• 39:26
  Speaker 1: with the six offensive line. They only threw one pass
• 39:29
  Speaker 1: out of six offensive line the entire game. It was
• 39:31
  Speaker 1: that Austin Hooper play on the last drive of the game.
• 39:34
  Speaker 1: So they didn't do it. It wasn't part of their
• 39:36
  Speaker 1: game plan. It wasn't part of what they did. I
• 39:40
  Speaker 1: was shocked by that. I thought that would be a
• 39:42
  Speaker 1: major part of the game plan, just like it was
• 39:44
  Speaker 1: against the Chargers. You know, let's get Munford out there.
• 39:48
  Speaker 1: Can we get seven.
• 39:49
  Speaker 2: Guys maybe eight with the back and the protection.
• 39:52
  Speaker 1: Let's send Kyle Williams and Digs out on deep routes
• 39:55
  Speaker 1: down the field and let's try to block it and
• 39:57
  Speaker 1: get you know, three v two down the field and
• 40:00
  Speaker 1: somebody's going to be one on one and hopefully we
• 40:02
  Speaker 1: win a few routes that way, and they really didn't.
• 40:04
  Speaker 1: That wasn't the strategy was much more spread the field
• 40:08
  Speaker 1: type of passing game instead, and I was pretty surprised
• 40:12
  Speaker 1: by that. And I do think that some of that
• 40:14
  Speaker 1: did lend itself to Will Campbell being isolated maybe a
• 40:17
  Speaker 1: little bit too much. I'm not trying to absolve Will Campbell.
• 40:20
  Speaker 1: He's got to be better, but I thought that, you know,
• 40:23
  Speaker 1: other than some chips here and there, it wasn't like
• 40:26
  Speaker 1: they were doing anything super crazy to try to help
• 40:29
  Speaker 1: him out. And I thought that that was one thing
• 40:32
  Speaker 1: that you could kind of second guess from McDaniels in
• 40:34
  Speaker 1: this game. I heard Greg on with You Know Your
• 40:37
  Speaker 1: Station yesterday saying that maybe he outsmarted himself, thinking the
• 40:41
  Speaker 1: Texans are going to prepare for the six to zero
• 40:43
  Speaker 1: line all weeks, I'm not going to use it, which
• 40:46
  Speaker 1: might have been the case. But then maybe you know
• 40:47
  Speaker 1: a little bit too much in your head, you know,
• 40:49
  Speaker 1: by doing that right like, that was clearly something that
• 40:52
  Speaker 1: they probably had an advantage in. And it's not lost
• 40:55
  Speaker 1: on me that they put Munford on the field for
• 40:58
  Speaker 1: that drive that we just gushed about out and went right.
• 41:02
  Speaker 4: Right down the throat, So hopefully they kind of figured
• 41:04
  Speaker 4: that out and the hus for next week. But yeah,
• 41:06
  Speaker 4: I thought, I everybody knows I've raved about Josh this year.
• 41:10
  Speaker 4: You've raved about Josh here. I think he's had a
• 41:11
  Speaker 4: great season. That wasn't one of his better games of
• 41:14
  Speaker 4: the year.
• 41:15
  Speaker 1: Yeah, so i'd be interesting to see, you know, a
• 41:17
  Speaker 1: very different test with Denver. Denver is they're more of
• 41:21
  Speaker 1: a chaotic defense. You know, the detections are more of
• 41:24
  Speaker 1: like do what you do simple defense, structure defense. This
• 41:28
  Speaker 1: is going to be more of a chaos game on
• 41:30
  Speaker 1: Sunday against Denver. So it's very different. So I don't
• 41:34
  Speaker 1: know exactly how that's going to change things, but just
• 41:36
  Speaker 1: something that I I agreed, you know, I think we're
• 41:39
  Speaker 1: both on the same page with that.
• 41:41
  Speaker 2: The other couple of bads here, I did not think that.
• 41:45
  Speaker 1: Travon Henderson played well in this game, and this was
• 41:49
  Speaker 1: one of those games where I just didn't think he
• 41:51
  Speaker 1: was seeing it very well in terms of the rush
• 41:53
  Speaker 1: lanes and you know his run reads, especially on the
• 41:56
  Speaker 1: interior runs. I thought that there was one player perticular
• 42:00
  Speaker 1: I actually sent it to you on Monday, where if
• 42:04
  Speaker 1: he had just continued on his path right up the middle.
• 42:07
  Speaker 1: I think he might have scored, you know, it was
• 42:09
  Speaker 1: it could have been like a forty fifty yard touchdown,
• 42:12
  Speaker 1: that's how much open space he had with his speed.
• 42:16
  Speaker 1: It just felt like he was breaking, you know, cutting
• 42:19
  Speaker 1: into contact, like just not seeing it right. I also
• 42:22
  Speaker 1: just am really surprised that him on verticals out of
• 42:27
  Speaker 1: the backfield has not been a big part of their
• 42:30
  Speaker 1: offense all year, Like they haven't done that with him
• 42:32
  Speaker 1: at all. You know, wheel routes, you get him in
• 42:35
  Speaker 1: the seams, you know, whatever the case may be. I
• 42:38
  Speaker 1: just I'm really shocked that that's not been a bigger
• 42:41
  Speaker 1: part of what they have done with him, because we
• 42:42
  Speaker 1: saw it in camp in the preseason, and then it
• 42:45
  Speaker 1: just hasn't been.
• 42:46
  Speaker 4: I've been waiting for it, and I thought this was
• 42:47
  Speaker 4: the week, like we I think we talked about talking
• 42:49
  Speaker 4: about shows get him out. Why get him out, you know,
• 42:52
  Speaker 4: put him out on the line of scrimmage and have
• 42:54
  Speaker 4: him run. Look, it's there was kind of a trend
• 42:57
  Speaker 4: here outside of Craig Woodson, who he talked about earlier,
• 42:59
  Speaker 4: like a lot of the young guys struggled. Campbell did
• 43:01
  Speaker 4: not have a great game Wilson, who were just talking
• 43:04
  Speaker 4: about Henderson. Yeah, you know, Drake Bay second year guy
• 43:07
  Speaker 4: had his issues, so I yeah, I thought there was
• 43:11
  Speaker 4: more there for Travon Henderson against a tougher defense, against
• 43:14
  Speaker 4: a quicker defense. I wonder if it's sped up on
• 43:16
  Speaker 4: him again a little bit. But another guy that they
• 43:19
  Speaker 4: need to be better for next week.
• 43:20
  Speaker 2: Yeah, I thought that. You know, that's a good point,
• 43:23
  Speaker 2: you know, a couple of these guys.
• 43:24
  Speaker 1: And this is sort of what I wrote as well,
• 43:27
  Speaker 1: like this is a baptism by fire for all the
• 43:30
  Speaker 1: young Patriots on offense, May Campbell, Henderson, Wilson. This is
• 43:35
  Speaker 1: two of the best defenses in the NFL that they
• 43:38
  Speaker 1: played in back to back weeks. And I think the
• 43:39
  Speaker 1: Texans have a case to be the best defense in
• 43:41
  Speaker 1: the entire league. And this is what you've gotten thrown
• 43:43
  Speaker 1: into in your first taste of the playoffs, Like this
• 43:46
  Speaker 1: is not they have not had, at least on that
• 43:48
  Speaker 1: side of the ball. They have not had the luxury
• 43:51
  Speaker 1: of like a tomato can game where they get, you know,
• 43:53
  Speaker 1: a watered down defense that really probably shouldn't be in
• 43:56
  Speaker 1: the playoffs and they're able to get their feet wet
• 43:58
  Speaker 1: at this stage at this level. This has been right
• 44:01
  Speaker 1: into the fire and they've struggled. The rookies have struggled,
• 44:05
  Speaker 1: and May has struggled a little bit, and I think
• 44:07
  Speaker 1: Henderson's in that category as well. And we'll get to
• 44:10
  Speaker 1: May here in a second. The other thing just going
• 44:13
  Speaker 1: back to the defense, and then I want to just
• 44:15
  Speaker 1: kind of focus in on May and Campbell for the
• 44:17
  Speaker 1: last part of this. There were a couple of coverage
• 44:20
  Speaker 1: busts in this game that I didn't love, especially in
• 44:23
  Speaker 1: their quarters structures when they had the four deep guys
• 44:25
  Speaker 1: across the field. When you go quarters, you usually you
• 44:28
  Speaker 1: have four deep and then you might have only two
• 44:30
  Speaker 1: or three guys underneath, so there is going to be
• 44:33
  Speaker 1: open space underneath the defense in those shells. But the
• 44:36
  Speaker 1: forty two yard pass the Dalton Schultz was just a
• 44:38
  Speaker 1: straight up coverage bust.
• 44:40
  Speaker 2: There was nobody out there on him. Marcus Jones, I
• 44:43
  Speaker 2: think was supposed.
• 44:43
  Speaker 4: To be in that flat area that one, So is
• 44:47
  Speaker 4: that one you almost put on the pass rush because
• 44:50
  Speaker 4: Stroud was back there for a long time.
• 44:51
  Speaker 2: And so Stroud.
• 44:52
  Speaker 1: I think what happened was is Stroud he climbed the
• 44:55
  Speaker 1: pocket and it was looking like he was about to run. Yes,
• 44:59
  Speaker 1: so he came in yeah, and Schultz was blocking and
• 45:02
  Speaker 1: then released late into the pattern has like a check down, right,
• 45:05
  Speaker 1: And so Marcus Jones came to play the scramble, came
• 45:07
  Speaker 1: to play the quarterback and and Schultz kind of leaked out.
• 45:11
  Speaker 4: So again that's when I look at and I'm like,
• 45:12
  Speaker 4: do you put that almost as much on the pass
• 45:14
  Speaker 4: rush as you do the secondary?
• 45:15
  Speaker 3: Like you got to get home sooner?
• 45:16
  Speaker 1: Maybe a little bit, but I you know this in
• 45:18
  Speaker 1: terms of you know, in that situation, not to pick
• 45:22
  Speaker 1: on Marcus Jones, but like you would rather play like
• 45:25
  Speaker 1: let the quarterback run. Like if the quarterback runs, you
• 45:28
  Speaker 1: just come up and make a tackle and it's you know,
• 45:30
  Speaker 1: maybe it is a first down still, but it's probably
• 45:32
  Speaker 1: like a ten yard game, especially with a guy like Stroud.
• 45:35
  Speaker 1: This is not Lamar Jackson or Josh Allen, right, so
• 45:37
  Speaker 1: you know you get eight nine ten yards out of
• 45:40
  Speaker 1: it instead of forty two. So that's always one where
• 45:42
  Speaker 1: I kind of err on the side of, you know,
• 45:45
  Speaker 1: play play the receiver first, and then if he does,
• 45:48
  Speaker 1: you know, break and tan and and get on the
• 45:51
  Speaker 1: other side of the line of scrimmage. Just rally to
• 45:53
  Speaker 1: the ball and get him down right, and I think
• 45:55
  Speaker 1: you live with that damage. The other one, Stroud just
• 45:58
  Speaker 1: missed the guy in the flat. But there was another
• 46:00
  Speaker 1: one later on in the game. It wasn't Schultz because
• 46:02
  Speaker 1: he was out of the game at this point. It
• 46:04
  Speaker 1: was there other tight end Stover I think it was
• 46:06
  Speaker 1: was also wide open in the flat.
• 46:08
  Speaker 2: So just some little things there.
• 46:10
  Speaker 1: I thought, you know, the red zone sequence to where
• 46:13
  Speaker 1: they got the touchdown wiped out by that penalty or
• 46:16
  Speaker 1: the illegal shift penalty. Stroud just didn't see two open
• 46:20
  Speaker 1: receivers on the fall the following next two plays, So
• 46:23
  Speaker 1: like there's a little bit of that going on, you know.
• 46:25
  Speaker 2: I think it's the same thing as the Charger game.
• 46:27
  Speaker 4: In fact, always said at the beginning, one quarterback made
• 46:29
  Speaker 4: the plays that are there to be made, the other
• 46:30
  Speaker 4: the moment was too big or he got too flustered
• 46:32
  Speaker 4: or whatever you want.
• 46:33
  Speaker 9: To call it.
• 46:33
  Speaker 2: Yeah, one hundred percent.
• 46:35
  Speaker 1: Okay, So not like again the bad Like it's not
• 46:37
  Speaker 1: like something that I'm like panicked about or anything like that.
• 46:41
  Speaker 1: But on every film, you're going to watch it back
• 46:43
  Speaker 1: and see opportunities for the opposing quarterback. And I thought,
• 46:46
  Speaker 1: watching this game back if Stroud didn't play as bad
• 46:49
  Speaker 1: as he did, there was probably a lot not probably,
• 46:52
  Speaker 1: there was a lot of yards he left on the
• 46:55
  Speaker 1: field in this game. And so you know, I don't
• 46:57
  Speaker 1: know if Stidham's going to be able to take advantage
• 46:58
  Speaker 1: of it, but Matthew Stafford or Sam Darnold will. So
• 47:03
  Speaker 1: you know, that's the difference between maybe winning the Super
• 47:06
  Speaker 1: Bowl and not winning the Super Bowls getting some of
• 47:08
  Speaker 1: these things tightened up. All right, let's talk about May
• 47:11
  Speaker 1: and the turnovers and Will Campbell and the turnovers. With May,
• 47:15
  Speaker 1: I separated the turnovers with some of the other things
• 47:18
  Speaker 1: that I saw between.
• 47:20
  Speaker 2: The good and the stuff that gets you or the
• 47:21
  Speaker 2: bad and the stuff that gets you beat.
• 47:22
  Speaker 1: So in the bad category, I kind of chucked some
• 47:26
  Speaker 1: of the sprays or some of the misthrows up to
• 47:28
  Speaker 1: the weather.
• 47:29
  Speaker 2: It was a tough weather game.
• 47:31
  Speaker 1: This is two weeks in a row now that both
• 47:33
  Speaker 1: quarterbacks and we're talking about I know some people probably
• 47:37
  Speaker 1: don't think much of Straut at this point, but justin
• 47:39
  Speaker 1: Herbert and Drake May both throwing the ball under their
• 47:43
  Speaker 1: normal sort of level of accuracy, tells me that that
• 47:46
  Speaker 1: was probably a pretty tough condition to throw the ball.
• 47:49
  Speaker 1: In this game, there was four or five throws like
• 47:52
  Speaker 1: that again with Drake May, where he either flat out.
• 47:55
  Speaker 2: Missed or he just kind of missed in a small win.
• 48:00
  Speaker 1: You know. Like one of them was a deep ball
• 48:04
  Speaker 1: to Kyle Williams where Kyle Williams has Lassiter beat. He's
• 48:07
  Speaker 1: behind Lassiter for a big play and Drake May just
• 48:11
  Speaker 1: kind of threw it to his outside shoulder just a
• 48:13
  Speaker 1: little bit too much and made it a difficult catch.
• 48:15
  Speaker 1: Normally you see that ball out in front of Kyle Williams.
• 48:18
  Speaker 1: If Drake May throws that ball in front of Kyle
• 48:20
  Speaker 1: Williams and stride, it might be a touchdown. You know,
• 48:22
  Speaker 1: he's behind him. And so there was just little things
• 48:25
  Speaker 1: like that as he sort of gets used to playing
• 48:28
  Speaker 1: in the bad weather that I noticed with him on film.
• 48:31
  Speaker 1: The other thing that I was a little bit more
• 48:33
  Speaker 1: alarmed about that might you know, kind of fall into
• 48:35
  Speaker 1: both categories. The drifting in the pocket seems to be
• 48:38
  Speaker 1: back and the issues that he was having. You know,
• 48:42
  Speaker 1: some of these dropback story he's getting strip sacked feel
• 48:45
  Speaker 1: a little bit too much like rookie Drake May, you know,
• 48:48
  Speaker 1: where he's just kind of drifting into pressure, drifting into
• 48:52
  Speaker 1: problems and causing problems in the pocket, especially the strip
• 48:56
  Speaker 1: sack when he was backed up on his goal line
• 48:58
  Speaker 1: where he just went right did right into Daniel Hunter.
• 49:01
  Speaker 2: You know, you just right into him. So those ones,
• 49:04
  Speaker 2: you know, those type of things I think are.
• 49:06
  Speaker 1: Just more to me and the bads like that's not
• 49:09
  Speaker 1: you're going to lose games because of that necessarily, I
• 49:12
  Speaker 1: don't think. But these are little things that are starting
• 49:14
  Speaker 1: to pop up on film with him that you'd like
• 49:17
  Speaker 1: to see him start to get corrected.
• 49:19
  Speaker 4: Yeah, And the big thing for me is it's really
• 49:23
  Speaker 4: the first time this year he hasn't corrected an issue
• 49:26
  Speaker 4: after a game. A lot of the issues he had
• 49:29
  Speaker 4: against the Texans were similar issues he had against the Chargers.
• 49:32
  Speaker 4: So like when he's made those mistakes here, he comes
• 49:35
  Speaker 4: out the next week and he's better about it, and
• 49:37
  Speaker 4: he didn't do that this time. So whether it's because
• 49:40
  Speaker 4: it's the playoffs or higher level of defense, it's in
• 49:43
  Speaker 4: his head whatever, like these things need to be fixed.
• 49:47
  Speaker 3: And you gotta hope he can turn around quickly.
• 49:49
  Speaker 1: So those were sort of the little things that I
• 49:51
  Speaker 1: kind of put more in the bad category, the stuff
• 49:54
  Speaker 1: that gets to be I want to kind of talk
• 49:55
  Speaker 1: about all four fumbles and sort of divvy up the
• 49:58
  Speaker 1: blame here, blame pie. I thought there were two clear
• 50:01
  Speaker 1: turnover worthy plays on May, so he had four fumbles.
• 50:05
  Speaker 1: I thought two, and I'm of course taking the hail
• 50:07
  Speaker 1: Mary interception out of it. That doesn't count in any
• 50:10
  Speaker 1: of this. There were two clear turnover worthy plays. One
• 50:13
  Speaker 1: is the one I mentioned about him drifting into pressure
• 50:16
  Speaker 1: on the first strip.
• 50:17
  Speaker 2: Sack backed up on his own goal line. The other
• 50:19
  Speaker 2: one was, of.
• 50:20
  Speaker 1: Course, when he tried to scramble on the botched hand
• 50:23
  Speaker 1: off with Ramind Gray Stevenson and got the ball punched out.
• 50:26
  Speaker 1: I actually don't hate that he tried to run with
• 50:29
  Speaker 1: that one because the blocking was still blocking a run
• 50:32
  Speaker 1: play and it actually worked like they were actually getting
• 50:35
  Speaker 1: a push. So you know, two hands on the football.
• 50:38
  Speaker 1: You just got to protect the ball. You know, It's
• 50:39
  Speaker 1: that simple. And then the one backed up on the
• 50:42
  Speaker 1: goal line. You know, obviously when we also talk about situationally,
• 50:47
  Speaker 1: you know, getting backed up on your own goal line
• 50:49
  Speaker 1: and also getting stripsacked right before halftime, like those are
• 50:52
  Speaker 1: two situations where you just can't have it, like you know,
• 50:55
  Speaker 1: and you really really really lucky on the one on
• 50:59
  Speaker 1: the goal line that wasn't a fumble six like that
• 51:01
  Speaker 1: that easily could have been scooped and scored by the
• 51:04
  Speaker 1: Texans for a walk in touchdown, or even if they
• 51:07
  Speaker 1: just recover it. You know they're gonna be scrimmaging from
• 51:10
  Speaker 1: their own two yard line, right, So they are the
• 51:12
  Speaker 1: Patriots two yard line, I should say, so they're probably
• 51:14
  Speaker 1: gonna score touchdown on that play. He was very fortunate
• 51:17
  Speaker 1: with the fumble luck, so those two ones too, I
• 51:20
  Speaker 1: clearly put on him. There was then one stripsack, blindside
• 51:25
  Speaker 1: stripsack on Will Campbell that was flat out on Will Campbell,
• 51:29
  Speaker 1: like there's no there's no way you can survive a
• 51:32
  Speaker 1: sack that happens in two point four seconds like that is.
• 51:35
  Speaker 3: I think some of them were holding the ball too long.
• 51:37
  Speaker 3: That was not one of them, no, uh.
• 51:39
  Speaker 1: And then the third one, I kind of split the
• 51:43
  Speaker 1: baby here a little bit because I thought on the
• 51:46
  Speaker 1: one that he was backed up and on this one
• 51:48
  Speaker 1: he's loading up to throw downfield, right, And I have
• 51:51
  Speaker 1: no idea who he's trying to throw the ball.
• 51:53
  Speaker 4: Not just that, I think, isn't there an element of like,
• 51:58
  Speaker 4: because I know Brady used to do that, not just Brady,
• 52:01
  Speaker 4: like other quarterbacks have done this. I don't want to
• 52:02
  Speaker 4: hold them to the Brady standard, but like you, if
• 52:04
  Speaker 4: you sense that pressure is coming behind you, right, yeah,
• 52:07
  Speaker 4: you can't do the full wind up because you don't
• 52:10
  Speaker 4: have time or frankly the room.
• 52:12
  Speaker 2: Right.
• 52:12
  Speaker 4: And it's like in basketball, if there's zero point five
• 52:16
  Speaker 4: seconds on the clock, you're not going to do your
• 52:18
  Speaker 4: full jump shot.
• 52:19
  Speaker 3: You don't have time.
• 52:20
  Speaker 4: You got to kind of quickly, so you know, I
• 52:22
  Speaker 4: in those moments, and he did this earlier this year.
• 52:25
  Speaker 4: And this is the whole when you talk about like
• 52:26
  Speaker 4: the Josh Allen thing, right, the little flip or this
• 52:29
  Speaker 4: or whatever, can you get out to somebody even if
• 52:31
  Speaker 4: you're just getting it to your running backs feet and
• 52:33
  Speaker 4: it's incomplete Like he'd been good about that, and I
• 52:36
  Speaker 4: thought in this game there were a couple of times
• 52:38
  Speaker 4: where he fully loaded up when like he very regardless
• 52:42
  Speaker 4: of who he's throwing to.
• 52:44
  Speaker 3: Yep, he didn't have time to fully load up. You
• 52:46
  Speaker 3: got to just kick that ball out of your eye.
• 52:48
  Speaker 1: I think we're saying the same thing, which is good
• 52:50
  Speaker 1: because your point's good too. Yeah, he's trying to hit
• 52:53
  Speaker 1: a guy that's like, you know, running a vertical route
• 52:56
  Speaker 1: down the field when he knows that he's probably one
• 52:59
  Speaker 1: on onto his blind side with Will Campbell against Will Anderson, Like,
• 53:04
  Speaker 1: you probably don't have the luxury now you want to
• 53:06
  Speaker 1: pick on McDaniel's there a little bit too for calling
• 53:09
  Speaker 1: vertical routes against that pass right totally valid, But I
• 53:13
  Speaker 1: also just think that to your point, like there's a
• 53:16
  Speaker 1: different sort of arm angle, different sort of like slot.
• 53:19
  Speaker 3: That you kind of come out of quickly.
• 53:21
  Speaker 10: Yeah.
• 53:21
  Speaker 1: And secondly, you know, you just the other stripsack that
• 53:26
  Speaker 1: we're kind of talking about here.
• 53:28
  Speaker 2: I'm just watching the film.
• 53:30
  Speaker 1: I think he's trying to throw the ball deep to Diggs, Yeah,
• 53:33
  Speaker 1: and then the other one, I think he's trying to
• 53:34
  Speaker 1: throw the ball deep to Pop And in both instances,
• 53:37
  Speaker 1: I feel like the guys are covered, so like I
• 53:39
  Speaker 1: feel like he's throwing he's fully winding up when he
• 53:43
  Speaker 1: knows that he's going up against an elite pass rusher.
• 53:46
  Speaker 2: Yeah, he's fully winding up. And I don't exactly know
• 53:48
  Speaker 2: where he was trying to go.
• 53:49
  Speaker 4: I didn't even get to the point of looking for
• 53:51
  Speaker 4: he's trying to go, Like I I part of me
• 53:53
  Speaker 4: was like remember last year he had that problem where
• 53:57
  Speaker 4: he kept throwing the ball away like barely, Yeah, and
• 54:00
  Speaker 4: it got picked off a couple of times.
• 54:01
  Speaker 3: Yeah, I know when he throws the ball away, now
• 54:03
  Speaker 3: he hums it.
• 54:04
  Speaker 2: Yeah.
• 54:05
  Speaker 3: I kind of figured he was just winding up to
• 54:06
  Speaker 3: throw it away, but he was again when he throws
• 54:09
  Speaker 3: the ball away.
• 54:11
  Speaker 2: That would certainly be a better explanation, but it's.
• 54:13
  Speaker 3: Still you need to that's the one that throw it
• 54:16
  Speaker 3: at the running backs feet.
• 54:17
  Speaker 1: Yeah, the and only he can answer that question right
• 54:20
  Speaker 1: of where he was trying to go with the football,
• 54:21
  Speaker 1: the one.
• 54:22
  Speaker 3: Uh, maybe he was going I don't know, Well, that's.
• 54:25
  Speaker 1: Just where his eyes and where he was pointing and everything.
• 54:27
  Speaker 1: It looked like where he was going the one to pop.
• 54:30
  Speaker 1: You know, maybe he was just going to try to
• 54:31
  Speaker 1: like him or nobody loft it.
• 54:33
  Speaker 2: See that's what I mean sort of thing.
• 54:36
  Speaker 1: You know, he did have, like Henry in the flat
• 54:38
  Speaker 1: that maybe he could have just taken the check down
• 54:40
  Speaker 1: and punted and that finished the drive with a kick, right,
• 54:43
  Speaker 1: Like that would have been better. Uh, the the one
• 54:45
  Speaker 1: that digs I just didn't think it was a great read.
• 54:48
  Speaker 1: You know, like they have the single high safety in
• 54:50
  Speaker 1: the middle of the field. Now the safety is reading
• 54:52
  Speaker 1: his eyes, so you know, you have to put that
• 54:54
  Speaker 1: out there. And I think this kind of comes back to,
• 54:57
  Speaker 1: you know, when you face a pass rush like that too,
• 54:59
  Speaker 1: Like he's looking at Diggs and Booty's one on one
• 55:02
  Speaker 1: on the back side with nobody over the top because
• 55:04
  Speaker 1: the safety is in the middle of the field and
• 55:05
  Speaker 1: he's getting moved. So like, ideally, if you have more time,
• 55:09
  Speaker 1: like you move the safety and then you come back
• 55:11
  Speaker 1: to Booty and you hit the one on one with Booty.
• 55:13
  Speaker 2: But this just wasn't that kind of game.
• 55:16
  Speaker 1: And I think that that's sort of the next iteration
• 55:19
  Speaker 1: for Drake May is the time in the pocket, like
• 55:21
  Speaker 1: understanding managing the game, understanding what you're going up against,
• 55:26
  Speaker 1: who you're facing, you know, is are my tackles one
• 55:29
  Speaker 1: on one? Do they have chip help? Do they not
• 55:32
  Speaker 1: have chip help? You know, one of those two strip
• 55:34
  Speaker 1: sacks they did. Campbell did have help one of them
• 55:37
  Speaker 1: he didn't, you know, like knowing these kinds of things
• 55:39
  Speaker 1: I think are the next iteration of him. The last
• 55:42
  Speaker 1: thing that we have to mention, you know, some of
• 55:44
  Speaker 1: this is on Will Campbell, and Will Campbell has to
• 55:46
  Speaker 1: play a lot better. I'm not ready and I think
• 55:49
  Speaker 1: that it's partially and I know people probably think that
• 55:52
  Speaker 1: I'm dodging it because we're Will Campbell guys.
• 55:54
  Speaker 4: You know, all the people want to just take their
• 55:55
  Speaker 4: victory lap on social media about him moving to guard.
• 55:58
  Speaker 2: Here, I'm just ready to have that conversation real quick.
• 56:00
  Speaker 1: Sorry, Yeah, I'm just not ready to have that conversation
• 56:03
  Speaker 1: because we're in the middle of a playoff run.
• 56:05
  Speaker 2: Like, like, that's an off season conversation to me. So
• 56:07
  Speaker 2: we'll get to that.
• 56:08
  Speaker 4: Well, I'll just say this, where are you getting a
• 56:11
  Speaker 4: better left tackle? Yeah, they're not gonna being free agency.
• 56:14
  Speaker 4: We've been through this and like at thirty two in
• 56:16
  Speaker 4: the draft, you can't just move him to pat yourself
• 56:19
  Speaker 4: on the back.
• 56:19
  Speaker 3: I told you he was a gord. If you get
• 56:21
  Speaker 3: worse at left tackle, it doesn't help you.
• 56:23
  Speaker 4: So and plus and I talked with David Andres about
• 56:26
  Speaker 4: some Monday. Do you think he's fully healthy?
• 56:30
  Speaker 1: I don't see any evidence that he's not, but there's
• 56:33
  Speaker 1: absolutely the case that that could be the case.
• 56:36
  Speaker 4: Well, I mean, he might not be showing it because
• 56:38
  Speaker 4: he's compensating, but like it's that it's his drive leg
• 56:40
  Speaker 4: it's the right leg, it's the right knee.
• 56:42
  Speaker 2: Yeah.
• 56:43
  Speaker 4: So yeah, I just and also Will Anderson's a top
• 56:46
  Speaker 4: three pass run yeah, so not to not to I
• 56:49
  Speaker 4: know I'm making excuse here, not some excuse, but like
• 56:52
  Speaker 4: you don't want to make don't don't do the entire
• 56:56
  Speaker 4: season evaluation off one game.
• 56:58
  Speaker 1: I al would say that, you know, this is a conversation,
• 57:02
  Speaker 1: you know, in terms of his longevity there at the
• 57:03
  Speaker 1: position that i''ll you know, we can have real quick.
• 57:07
  Speaker 2: Yeah.
• 57:07
  Speaker 1: I remember, you know, back in the day with Matt Light,
• 57:12
  Speaker 1: who was a Patriot Hall of Famer, a really solid
• 57:16
  Speaker 1: NFL left tackle for like a decade. Matt Light was
• 57:19
  Speaker 1: good fifteen out of twenty weeks out of the year,
• 57:24
  Speaker 1: seventeen out of twenty weeks out of the year. There
• 57:27
  Speaker 1: was two games and maybe three if you want to
• 57:30
  Speaker 1: count the playoff games that they faced against the guy
• 57:32
  Speaker 1: I'm gonna mention that he struggled Jason Taylor, Yeah, who
• 57:37
  Speaker 1: just flat out eight his lunch. Jason Taylor was a problem.
• 57:40
  Speaker 1: And Jason Taylor is it wearing a gold jacket. He
• 57:43
  Speaker 1: was an NFL Hall of Famer. And I think Will
• 57:45
  Speaker 1: Anderson and Miles Garrett are going to also be wearing
• 57:47
  Speaker 1: gold jackets someday. Yeah, Miles Garrett one hundred percent will
• 57:52
  Speaker 1: be Will Anderson if he continues on this track. The
• 57:54
  Speaker 1: other guy that he had trouble with Matt Light was
• 57:56
  Speaker 1: Dwight Freeny. Yeah, so those were two of the best
• 58:00
  Speaker 1: pass rushers of his era that were both in the
• 58:02
  Speaker 1: Pro Football Dray Freeney's in the Profleball Hall of Fame. Right,
• 58:05
  Speaker 1: they're they're both They're both in the Hall of Fame,
• 58:07
  Speaker 1: I think, And so do you do you make the
• 58:11
  Speaker 1: switch of Cambell going from left tackle to left guard,
• 58:16
  Speaker 1: because in two games against Miles Garrett and Will Anderson
• 58:20
  Speaker 1: he's given up four sacks, right, or do you look
• 58:23
  Speaker 1: at it and say, Okay, so we might need to
• 58:26
  Speaker 1: manage him schematically a little bit when we go up
• 58:29
  Speaker 1: a level to those elite, elite guys, But against ninety
• 58:33
  Speaker 1: percent of the league, he's gonna be perfectly fine at
• 58:36
  Speaker 1: left tackle. And I think that's the conversation that you
• 58:39
  Speaker 1: need to have. I would also mention I think that
• 58:43
  Speaker 1: he would be an outstanding run blocking guard. Yeah, I'm
• 58:46
  Speaker 1: not one hundred percent sure that moving him inside is
• 58:49
  Speaker 1: going to make him a better pass.
• 58:50
  Speaker 4: Player's just technical stuff that he needs to get better at.
• 58:53
  Speaker 4: And he's a rookie, right he's going to have the
• 58:56
  Speaker 4: You hope he's gonna have the year two jump. You
• 58:58
  Speaker 4: hope he's gonna come back next year. He'll be healthy,
• 59:00
  Speaker 4: he'll be improved.
• 59:01
  Speaker 3: All of that.
• 59:01
  Speaker 4: Now, that doesn't help I mean, it's Denver, and it
• 59:04
  Speaker 4: doesn't help them if they make the super Bowl and
• 59:05
  Speaker 4: they're gonna have to continue to manage that. His knee
• 59:07
  Speaker 4: is probably not gonna get if it's if he's not
• 59:09
  Speaker 4: one hundred percent now, he's probably not gonna be a
• 59:10
  Speaker 4: hundred percent by Sunday.
• 59:12
  Speaker 3: But there is a long term picture here too.
• 59:15
  Speaker 1: I think the biggest thing with him technically that I
• 59:17
  Speaker 1: would like to see him improve on is his anchor,
• 59:20
  Speaker 1: if he can.
• 59:21
  Speaker 2: Sit back a little bit more.
• 59:22
  Speaker 1: I know a lot of people want him to bring
• 59:24
  Speaker 1: the fight to them because of the arm length and
• 59:26
  Speaker 1: maybe be a little bit more aggressive. But I think
• 59:28
  Speaker 1: what happens when you know what Dad is is that
• 59:32
  Speaker 1: when he gets so aggressive, like he's gonna overseet when
• 59:35
  Speaker 1: he gets aggressive like that, and then he's gonna end
• 59:37
  Speaker 1: up having more blowbys. I think i'd rather him die
• 59:40
  Speaker 1: slowly then then go if you try to go out
• 59:43
  Speaker 1: and get guys, especially well schooled rushers like Anderson, like
• 59:46
  Speaker 1: they're just gonna swim here, They're just gonna spin inside
• 59:49
  Speaker 1: or something like that.
• 59:49
  Speaker 4: And you're gonna go and that, And that's where you know,
• 59:52
  Speaker 4: the big concern is with me for him now, I
• 59:54
  Speaker 4: know talking to David and I just keep citing him
• 59:56
  Speaker 4: because obviously knows much more.
• 59:58
  Speaker 3: Maybe.
• 59:59
  Speaker 4: Yeah, he mentioned that he thought he saw some instances
• 1:00:02
  Speaker 4: where Campbell was maybe trying to do too much and
• 1:00:06
  Speaker 4: you know, trying to do like like fake jab.
• 1:00:08
  Speaker 2: In his hands and this and that and like independent
• 1:00:10
  Speaker 2: hands stuf.
• 1:00:11
  Speaker 4: You just don't want it to get in his head.
• 1:00:12
  Speaker 4: And there was that moment he was on the tunne
• 1:00:14
  Speaker 4: where Rabel gives him like the chin up. I think
• 1:00:17
  Speaker 4: that's important, right, just you know you don't want it.
• 1:00:22
  Speaker 4: You don't want the issue compounding, like, hey, you had
• 1:00:24
  Speaker 4: a rough week, two rough weeks. That's life in the NFL.
• 1:00:27
  Speaker 4: Like you got to get back out there and be
• 1:00:30
  Speaker 4: better and not let it get to you. Like that's
• 1:00:32
  Speaker 4: my big concern with him right now.
• 1:00:34
  Speaker 1: Last thing, and we have to take a break on this.
• 1:00:36
  Speaker 1: I'm sure we can talk about this some more.
• 1:00:37
  Speaker 3: Yeah, after the break, Sure we have calls about it.
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  Speaker 1: I think the number one thing that I just look at,
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  Speaker 1: like I was saying, if he can improve his anchor
• 1:00:44
  Speaker 1: to the point where he can really rely on it,
• 1:00:47
  Speaker 1: then he can kind of like win the second phase a.
• 1:00:51
  Speaker 3: Little bit more, which is what he's done. He didn't
• 1:00:53
  Speaker 3: can't we still do that?
• 1:00:54
  Speaker 2: So like he might not ever be able to get
• 1:00:57
  Speaker 2: his hands on the guy first.
• 1:00:59
  Speaker 1: Like that might just be especially against some of these
• 1:01:01
  Speaker 1: longer guys, you know, away with the Chargers gave him
• 1:01:04
  Speaker 1: some problems because of his length, Anderson I thought gave
• 1:01:07
  Speaker 1: him some problems because of his length. These longer guys
• 1:01:10
  Speaker 1: that are just gonna have the you can't grow his arms, right,
• 1:01:14
  Speaker 1: So the longer guy might he's only twenty one, maybe
• 1:01:17
  Speaker 1: the guys that have that reach advantage that he has.
• 1:01:21
  Speaker 1: If I, if I was, you know, I would hope
• 1:01:24
  Speaker 1: that maybe with some more you know, technique work, with
• 1:01:27
  Speaker 1: some more NFL weight room work, like all that good stuff,
• 1:01:30
  Speaker 1: if you can win the second phase where Okay, I'm
• 1:01:33
  Speaker 1: gonna kind of concede that you're gonna get your hands
• 1:01:35
  Speaker 1: on me, but then I'm gonna be able to have
• 1:01:38
  Speaker 1: you know, like, can we develop like a snatch move
• 1:01:40
  Speaker 1: where the guy gets his hands on him and then
• 1:01:42
  Speaker 1: he just punches his hands off of him and kind
• 1:01:44
  Speaker 1: of just ends the rep. Can you develop a more
• 1:01:48
  Speaker 1: sturdy anchor so that you can just kind of sit
• 1:01:50
  Speaker 1: back and just absorb the contact instead of having to
• 1:01:53
  Speaker 1: be so aggressive with the set. I think those are
• 1:01:55
  Speaker 1: the types of things that he will sort of start
• 1:01:58
  Speaker 1: to work on and learn as we move forward here.
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  Speaker 2: And I think he can still be a really good
• 1:02:03
  Speaker 2: NFL left tackle.
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  Speaker 7: I really do.
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  Speaker 1: Maybe it won't be He's not going to be Joe Thomas.
• 1:02:09
  Speaker 1: He's not going to be Jonathan Ogden, he's not going
• 1:02:11
  Speaker 1: to be Orlando Pace, Like, he's not going to be
• 1:02:12
  Speaker 1: a Hall of Famer. But can he be a Mallie
• 1:02:17
  Speaker 1: Mattlite Nate Solder?
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  Speaker 2: Yeah? I think so.
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  Speaker 1: We're getting hit by some snow. We're getting hit by
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  Speaker 1: something we got. It does sound like yeah on Sunday.
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  Speaker 1: It sounds like this weekend we might get some more snow.
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  Speaker 1: So the next big snowstorm is not just around the corner.
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  Speaker 1: It's maybe in like three days. So if you need
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  Speaker 1: So definitely time of year where that might you know,
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  Speaker 1: you need a snowblower. Today it's freezing. It's like twenty
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  Speaker 1: degrees out. Maybe it's on Saturday, it's gonna be in
• 1:05:09
  Speaker 1: the single digit's getting snow in.
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  Speaker 2: The area as well.
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  Speaker 1: But it's not supposed to be that bad in Denver.
• 1:05:14
  Speaker 1: I think we're gonna be in like that, just be
• 1:05:16
  Speaker 1: like high forties and sunny. No, it's it's it's gonna
• 1:05:19
  Speaker 1: be in like the mid to high thirties. It was
• 1:05:23
  Speaker 1: that at one point, though I think that moved to
• 1:05:25
  Speaker 1: like Saturday or Monday or whatever. But yeah, it's it's
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  Speaker 1: not gonna be too bad. All right, Let's get to
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  Speaker 1: the emails, Let's get to some of the calls, and
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  Speaker 1: then we're going to talk about the Denver Broncos.
• 1:05:35
  Speaker 2: Patty is an aguam. What's up, Patty?
• 1:05:37
  Speaker 13: Yeah, we'll wait a little bit.
• 1:05:39
  Speaker 2: Hey, what's up? Hey? How were doing?
• 1:05:42
  Speaker 13: Not too dead? It's just a few things, Alex. I
• 1:05:46
  Speaker 13: don't know if you remember me. Call them the Sunday
• 1:05:47
  Speaker 13: morning kickoff show. But I predicted the score at twenty
• 1:05:50
  Speaker 13: seven to sixteen, So nailed it. There you go. You guys,
• 1:05:56
  Speaker 13: do you see this being more of an the ball
• 1:06:00
  Speaker 13: Remondre Stevenston type of game with that big jumbo personnel
• 1:06:04
  Speaker 13: and kind of pick and choose where you want to
• 1:06:05
  Speaker 13: take your deep shots or do you envision Drake coming
• 1:06:10
  Speaker 13: out throwing because I think it's going to be tough
• 1:06:13
  Speaker 13: with the crowd is getting the snap counts, and I
• 1:06:16
  Speaker 13: just and and you know, with the whole offensive line
• 1:06:20
  Speaker 13: having a pass block with that crazy ass crowd. So personally,
• 1:06:24
  Speaker 13: I think this should be a big Remondre Stevenson game.
• 1:06:27
  Speaker 13: Where do you guys stand, I'll take it off there.
• 1:06:28
  Speaker 2: Guys, Thanks Patty.
• 1:06:30
  Speaker 1: So I'm very interested, and I'm not doing the whole
• 1:06:34
  Speaker 1: Denver thing, so don't don't get crazy. I'm very interested
• 1:06:38
  Speaker 1: in the crowd in Denver because history would obviously tell
• 1:06:43
  Speaker 1: you that it's going to be loud. Yeah, they've played
• 1:06:45
  Speaker 1: an AFC Championship game there. I mean, everybody goes back
• 1:06:49
  Speaker 1: to twenty fifteen when you know they were couldn't block
• 1:06:52
  Speaker 1: the edges and it was fallse starts and it was
• 1:06:54
  Speaker 1: bad silent count and it was a mess. But you
• 1:06:59
  Speaker 1: just lost your starting quarterback.
• 1:07:00
  Speaker 2: Like so how like you know, like that. I feel
• 1:07:03
  Speaker 2: like that could be a very nervous kind of crowd.
• 1:07:05
  Speaker 3: Like I think there's an element of like, we need
• 1:07:08
  Speaker 3: to help. They're playing with house money.
• 1:07:10
  Speaker 6: Now.
• 1:07:10
  Speaker 3: I don't think that let's go nuts, let's go wild, like,
• 1:07:14
  Speaker 3: because I don't.
• 1:07:14
  Speaker 1: Think they feel that way if they if they even
• 1:07:16
  Speaker 1: have it, I don't know a little bit of I
• 1:07:18
  Speaker 1: would if it was me in that crowd, right, there's
• 1:07:20
  Speaker 1: a little bit of nervousness, But it's like, you know,
• 1:07:23
  Speaker 1: I think I think once the game kicks off, it's
• 1:07:25
  Speaker 1: like why not us?
• 1:07:26
  Speaker 9: Right? Why?
• 1:07:26
  Speaker 4: And if they get a little bit of momentum early on,
• 1:07:28
  Speaker 4: it's like, oh, this could actually happen. This would be unbelievable.
• 1:07:31
  Speaker 2: I hear what you're saying.
• 1:07:32
  Speaker 1: I guess my cult thing is like I feel like
• 1:07:34
  Speaker 1: if you're a broncos Man, I feel like we would
• 1:07:36
  Speaker 1: feel the same way if Drake May got hurt in
• 1:07:38
  Speaker 1: the same fashion, it's over, season's over, that you're not
• 1:07:41
  Speaker 1: gonna win a game.
• 1:07:41
  Speaker 4: Yeah, but if we went out there on Sunday and
• 1:07:44
  Speaker 4: let's say Josh Dobbs starts the game with like twenty
• 1:07:46
  Speaker 4: yard in cut over the mind, it would.
• 1:07:47
  Speaker 3: Be like, oh yeah, Okay, here we go. I guess
• 1:07:50
  Speaker 3: maybe that's what I'm saying, Like.
• 1:07:51
  Speaker 1: Maybe I could feel that all right. In terms of
• 1:07:53
  Speaker 1: Patty's question, I absolutely think this is a run game.
• 1:07:56
  Speaker 1: I absolutely think that this is a heavy run game.
• 1:07:59
  Speaker 1: I don't wanted like, what's the word temp fate, I
• 1:08:05
  Speaker 1: don't want to like going it fly too close to
• 1:08:08
  Speaker 1: the sun. Is a very good Denver Broncos pass defense,
• 1:08:12
  Speaker 1: very very good, and the metrics are extremely gaudy. I
• 1:08:16
  Speaker 1: know that some people have brought up the fact that
• 1:08:18
  Speaker 1: they haven't been quite as good down in the stretch.
• 1:08:20
  Speaker 1: They haven't been quite as good against like good offenses
• 1:08:23
  Speaker 1: versus bat that's all every defense, Like every defense cleans
• 1:08:26
  Speaker 1: up on the bad teams that they play.
• 1:08:27
  Speaker 2: Yeah, and isn't as good against.
• 1:08:29
  Speaker 1: The good quarterbacks shocker, Like I know, like they weren't
• 1:08:32
  Speaker 1: as good against Josh Allen as they were against the
• 1:08:36
  Speaker 1: Chiefs third string quarterback on that game and a couple
• 1:08:38
  Speaker 1: of weeks ago, right, Like, that's that's for the every
• 1:08:41
  Speaker 1: single team. But I watched them on film and I
• 1:08:44
  Speaker 1: said it earlier. They're past defense in particular, they are
• 1:08:48
  Speaker 1: a chaotic unit. This is not a team like the
• 1:08:52
  Speaker 1: Texans that kind of just sit in their coverages and
• 1:08:55
  Speaker 1: don't draw blitzes and don't know they're sending guys from
• 1:08:59
  Speaker 1: all over the place. Their coverages are extremely exotic. Some
• 1:09:03
  Speaker 1: of them are manned, some of them are match zones.
• 1:09:05
  Speaker 1: They don't really spot drop zone very often. They bring
• 1:09:08
  Speaker 1: pressure from all different places. You know, they're blitzing guys,
• 1:09:12
  Speaker 1: they're dropping guys like this is one of those kinds
• 1:09:14
  Speaker 1: of defense. Is it's a lot more in that respect,
• 1:09:17
  Speaker 1: I'd say like the Chargers scheme than it is like
• 1:09:20
  Speaker 1: the Texans defense. So for that reason, you know, just
• 1:09:23
  Speaker 1: looking at some of their film and looking at some
• 1:09:26
  Speaker 1: of their recent games, the Bills especially were able to
• 1:09:29
  Speaker 1: just kind of line up and run it down their throats. Now,
• 1:09:31
  Speaker 1: the Bills have a great run game, they have a
• 1:09:32
  Speaker 1: great offensive line, but the Patriots have found a run
• 1:09:35
  Speaker 1: game recently and have been able to move some people
• 1:09:38
  Speaker 1: in the run game. The one thing that I look
• 1:09:40
  Speaker 1: at with is Broncos defense. They're a little undersized up front.
• 1:09:44
  Speaker 1: They're a little undersized. Their biggest defensive tackles DJ Jones.
• 1:09:48
  Speaker 1: He's three to zero five.
• 1:09:49
  Speaker 3: He doesn't play a lot right.
• 1:09:50
  Speaker 2: He's more of like their rotational run stuffer.
• 1:09:53
  Speaker 3: Yeah on first down.
• 1:09:54
  Speaker 1: Now they get off the ball and they fly up
• 1:09:56
  Speaker 1: the field and they can make plays on the other
• 1:09:58
  Speaker 1: side of the line of scrimmage, which is why I
• 1:10:00
  Speaker 1: think a lot of their run metrics are really good,
• 1:10:02
  Speaker 1: because they make a lot of stuffs in TFLs and
• 1:10:04
  Speaker 1: things like that.
• 1:10:05
  Speaker 2: But I do think that you can run the ball
• 1:10:07
  Speaker 2: on them.
• 1:10:08
  Speaker 1: And then the Bills were able to run it on
• 1:10:09
  Speaker 1: them a little bit, and their play action passing game
• 1:10:12
  Speaker 1: was extremely effective.
• 1:10:13
  Speaker 2: Off the run game. They moved the pocket a couple
• 1:10:15
  Speaker 2: of times with Josh Allen effectively in that game.
• 1:10:18
  Speaker 1: So I look at this game as one of those
• 1:10:20
  Speaker 1: games where I absolutely would expect the Patriots to go heavy.
• 1:10:25
  Speaker 1: I wouldn't be surprised if they open up in like
• 1:10:28
  Speaker 1: twenty two with the sixth offensive linemen out there and they.
• 1:10:31
  Speaker 2: Try to rail it right down there.
• 1:10:32
  Speaker 4: Three that if they're small up front, Bullium, yeah, Bully Morgan, Moses,
• 1:10:38
  Speaker 4: and yeah damn to stop it.
• 1:10:40
  Speaker 1: Very different schematically, very different, but just from a holistic standpoint,
• 1:10:46
  Speaker 1: it kind of reminds me of like how you want
• 1:10:48
  Speaker 1: to play the Bills, where like this is an elite
• 1:10:51
  Speaker 1: pass defense, but they're a little bit smaller, they're a
• 1:10:54
  Speaker 1: little bit more finesse, like guys on the edge, like
• 1:10:57
  Speaker 1: Bonito is really built to rush the pass or he's
• 1:10:59
  Speaker 1: like five Like, So, would you rather try to dance
• 1:11:04
  Speaker 1: with those guys or would you rather try to run
• 1:11:06
  Speaker 1: those guys on it down their throats?
• 1:11:07
  Speaker 2: Yeah?
• 1:11:07
  Speaker 1: That's how I feel about it. We can get to
• 1:11:09
  Speaker 1: more of that in a second. Two h Brad is
• 1:11:12
  Speaker 1: in Ohio. What's up, Brad?
• 1:11:15
  Speaker 10: Good morning guys?
• 1:11:16
  Speaker 3: How you doing morning?
• 1:11:18
  Speaker 6: Uh?
• 1:11:19
  Speaker 10: Just wanted to a couple of observations and questions there. Uh,
• 1:11:24
  Speaker 10: first of all, on on defense, do you think that
• 1:11:29
  Speaker 10: the tight end for Denver will be the most appropriate
• 1:11:33
  Speaker 10: response to their wide receiver problem they're having on their
• 1:11:38
  Speaker 10: on their side and they're gonna and take away the
• 1:11:41
  Speaker 10: run game and the tied end. I hope it would
• 1:11:43
  Speaker 10: be our defensive philosophy. And then the cornerback who would
• 1:11:49
  Speaker 10: replace David would what's his best trait?
• 1:11:54
  Speaker 1: Do you know that?
• 1:11:55
  Speaker 5: Like?
• 1:11:55
  Speaker 10: Is it done?
• 1:11:56
  Speaker 5: Is it?
• 1:11:57
  Speaker 10: Man? And if if he has to be the one
• 1:12:00
  Speaker 10: to take the tours there, what could Zack Corr do
• 1:12:06
  Speaker 10: to counteract that, like roll coverage or safety that way?
• 1:12:10
  Speaker 10: What do you guys think? And in regards to any
• 1:12:13
  Speaker 10: you know, inadequate sieves he might have given. Carl Davis
• 1:12:17
  Speaker 10: might not play.
• 1:12:19
  Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, Brad, thanks to the call.
• 1:12:21
  Speaker 1: So I don't want to jump the gun on Carlton
• 1:12:23
  Speaker 1: Davis because we'll find out, you know, late this afternoon,
• 1:12:25
  Speaker 1: maybe even when Rabel talks.
• 1:12:27
  Speaker 3: Also, I don't know what to be Charles Woods or
• 1:12:28
  Speaker 3: to be Alex Austin.
• 1:12:29
  Speaker 2: Charles Woods.
• 1:12:30
  Speaker 1: Yeah, Charles Woods, I think is elevated to that spot
• 1:12:33
  Speaker 1: as the fourth corner. But I saw Carlon Davis after
• 1:12:37
  Speaker 1: the game. He seemed like he was in pretty good spirits.
• 1:12:40
  Speaker 11: You know.
• 1:12:40
  Speaker 1: I think they've really gotten pretty strict with these concussions.
• 1:12:44
  Speaker 1: You know, Trevion Henderson was put in the protocol in
• 1:12:47
  Speaker 1: Baltimore and cleared in a week. Christian Gonzales was put
• 1:12:50
  Speaker 1: in the protocol against the Chargers and cleared in a week.
• 1:12:52
  Speaker 1: So I'm not ready to say that Carlton Davis isn't
• 1:12:54
  Speaker 1: going to be available on Sunday. I don't know that
• 1:12:56
  Speaker 1: for a fact. To his first question, you know, I
• 1:13:00
  Speaker 1: think that's you know, Wilking at the Broncos defense or offense.
• 1:13:03
  Speaker 1: Excuse me, this is one of the you know, the
• 1:13:06
  Speaker 1: bigger kind of questions that I have about this Stidham
• 1:13:09
  Speaker 1: thing with bow Knicks. They throw the ball a lot.
• 1:13:14
  Speaker 1: You know, they are a past centric offense, and I
• 1:13:17
  Speaker 1: kind of think that John Payton always has been. Now
• 1:13:19
  Speaker 1: he had Drew Brees, so like that obviously influences that
• 1:13:22
  Speaker 1: a lot. But for the most part, I don't when
• 1:13:25
  Speaker 1: I think of Sean Payton, I don't think of like
• 1:13:27
  Speaker 1: a guy that wants to play smash math football and
• 1:13:30
  Speaker 1: run the football.
• 1:13:30
  Speaker 2: Now they might be getting JK.
• 1:13:32
  Speaker 1: Dobbins back, which could change that a little bit, but
• 1:13:35
  Speaker 1: they're sixteenth in EPA per rush, their top ten in
• 1:13:39
  Speaker 1: pretty much every sort of like pass metric in terms
• 1:13:41
  Speaker 1: of past rate, you know, overall pass rate dropbacks per game.
• 1:13:45
  Speaker 1: I'm pretty sure bo Knicks was tied for second in
• 1:13:48
  Speaker 1: past attempts. I think it was like him and Caleb Williams,
• 1:13:51
  Speaker 1: and I forget who was number one, but it might
• 1:13:53
  Speaker 1: you know, he was up there in terms of past attempts.
• 1:13:56
  Speaker 1: So this is they were fourth in total in past
• 1:13:58
  Speaker 1: attempts this yere. Yeah, this has not been a run
• 1:14:01
  Speaker 1: game offense. And my whole thing is is like when
• 1:14:05
  Speaker 1: you have a backup quarterback playing in the AFC Championship
• 1:14:09
  Speaker 1: game with no prep time. Basically, I don't think dropping
• 1:14:12
  Speaker 1: him back fifty times like you did with Bo Nicks
• 1:14:15
  Speaker 1: on Sunday again or Saturday against Buffalo is the answer. Like,
• 1:14:18
  Speaker 1: that's not I don't think you're gonna win that way.
• 1:14:21
  Speaker 1: So can Denver find a running game?
• 1:14:24
  Speaker 5: You know?
• 1:14:24
  Speaker 2: Does JK. Dobbins come back and sort of fix that?
• 1:14:27
  Speaker 1: I think is a huge key to this game because
• 1:14:29
  Speaker 1: the Patriots have been fantastic and stopping the run.
• 1:14:32
  Speaker 4: Yeah, Dobbin's gonna be an interesting one. He was having
• 1:14:34
  Speaker 4: a really good year. He was he was having a
• 1:14:35
  Speaker 4: really good year before he got hurt. He was kind
• 1:14:37
  Speaker 4: of the driving force in that offense. And Liz Frank,
• 1:14:41
  Speaker 4: Liz Franks havery pronounce it right, Liz Frank that that
• 1:14:44
  Speaker 4: injury is no joke. No, that that's a nasty injury.
• 1:14:47
  Speaker 4: And so it was supposed to be season ending. Now
• 1:14:50
  Speaker 4: he's back, but like, where's he gonna be? How well
• 1:14:52
  Speaker 4: is he gonna cut?
• 1:14:53
  Speaker 3: Yeah, I'll be interested to see how he looks, because
• 1:14:56
  Speaker 3: if he looks good, it does really open the door
• 1:14:59
  Speaker 3: for them to kind of the offense through him.
• 1:15:01
  Speaker 2: Yeah, if he's not. R. J.
• 1:15:02
  Speaker 4: Harvey is not bad, but I don't know that he's
• 1:15:04
  Speaker 4: a guy you want to give the ball to twenty
• 1:15:06
  Speaker 4: five times in championship game.
• 1:15:07
  Speaker 1: So he's also and yeah, and he's more of like
• 1:15:10
  Speaker 1: a scat back pass game right anyways.
• 1:15:13
  Speaker 3: Well but he's been their their lead back, hurt m choice.
• 1:15:17
  Speaker 1: Uh.
• 1:15:17
  Speaker 3: So what I'm saying if you're if you're.
• 1:15:19
  Speaker 4: Trying to take the ball out of Stidham's hands and
• 1:15:21
  Speaker 4: Dobbins isn't a hundred percent it's it's Archie Harvey unless
• 1:15:24
  Speaker 4: you feel really good about your Louiam McLoughlin.
• 1:15:26
  Speaker 1: Yeah, I mean this is my point, Like, right, what
• 1:15:28
  Speaker 1: I'm trying to what I'm trying to do with this game,
• 1:15:30
  Speaker 1: and we just let's just do it the kind of
• 1:15:32
  Speaker 1: tea up the Broncos here.
• 1:15:34
  Speaker 2: What I'm trying to do with this game is find
• 1:15:36
  Speaker 2: a path for Denver to win the game.
• 1:15:38
  Speaker 1: Wistedham, you know that's what and in that, but that's
• 1:15:41
  Speaker 1: like low hanging fruit, like if they if they turn
• 1:15:43
  Speaker 1: the Patriots turned the ball over four times, then yeah, Denver.
• 1:15:46
  Speaker 2: Could win the game.
• 1:15:46
  Speaker 3: But that that's the path.
• 1:15:48
  Speaker 2: But there has to be Like my.
• 1:15:50
  Speaker 1: Point is is like is there any other pass right?
• 1:15:53
  Speaker 1: And the easiest thing to say, and I think here's.
• 1:15:57
  Speaker 3: The thing Storry to cut you off.
• 1:15:58
  Speaker 4: But even if it was Bonix, I say this with
• 1:16:00
  Speaker 4: no disrespect to bon Knicks, and I says no disrespect
• 1:16:03
  Speaker 4: to Jared's Didham. But the reality of the situation is
• 1:16:07
  Speaker 4: the Broncos have been and we're always going to be
• 1:16:11
  Speaker 4: a team carried by their defense.
• 1:16:12
  Speaker 3: That's just the way it's built. That's the way they've
• 1:16:15
  Speaker 3: won all year.
• 1:16:15
  Speaker 4: I know Bonnicks has made some plays late in games
• 1:16:18
  Speaker 4: that have elevated them, and it's not saying he's done nothing,
• 1:16:20
  Speaker 4: but these are late in close, low scoring games because
• 1:16:24
  Speaker 4: the defense is dominated.
• 1:16:25
  Speaker 3: The jareds Didham thing obviously makes it.
• 1:16:28
  Speaker 4: It's a factor. It's an impact, especially those gotta have it.
• 1:16:31
  Speaker 4: I think the individual plays. The overall big picture of it, though,
• 1:16:35
  Speaker 4: is the Broncos defense. The Patriots not letting the Broncos
• 1:16:39
  Speaker 4: defense dominate the game. I would be saying that if
• 1:16:41
  Speaker 4: Bonix was starting.
• 1:16:42
  Speaker 2: Yeah, so I think it's I hear what you're saying.
• 1:16:46
  Speaker 1: The obvious thing for the Broncos here is can they
• 1:16:51
  Speaker 1: get to a point where Jared's Didam can manage this game?
• 1:16:55
  Speaker 1: Hit the layups that Sean Payton's schemes open, don't turn
• 1:16:59
  Speaker 1: the over, and let your defense.
• 1:17:01
  Speaker 2: Win the game, right like that? That's yeah, that's the
• 1:17:03
  Speaker 2: blueprint for Denver. We all can see that.
• 1:17:06
  Speaker 4: I said this to you last week. Could Houston? My
• 1:17:09
  Speaker 4: take going into that game was, could Houston get to
• 1:17:11
  Speaker 4: twenty one without turnovers?
• 1:17:13
  Speaker 2: Yeah?
• 1:17:13
  Speaker 3: And they couldn't even get to twenty one with a
• 1:17:15
  Speaker 3: ton turnovers?
• 1:17:15
  Speaker 4: Yeah?
• 1:17:16
  Speaker 7: Right?
• 1:17:17
  Speaker 3: Can Denver get to seventeen without turnovers?
• 1:17:23
  Speaker 5: No?
• 1:17:24
  Speaker 1: And I think that the thing that I'm trying to
• 1:17:26
  Speaker 1: get at, I guess is like I would feel more
• 1:17:31
  Speaker 1: confident in trying to hype up Denver a little bit
• 1:17:33
  Speaker 1: here in this game if they had a run game.
• 1:17:37
  Speaker 1: But that's OK, that's really not who they are, Like
• 1:17:40
  Speaker 1: they could try to be that well who they were
• 1:17:42
  Speaker 1: at one point. I don't think they ever really were
• 1:17:44
  Speaker 1: that Early in.
• 1:17:45
  Speaker 4: The they Dobbins, they were really good run team and
• 1:17:48
  Speaker 4: they had pretty high volumes in the first ten weeks
• 1:17:50
  Speaker 4: of the year.
• 1:17:50
  Speaker 2: I don't know, I mean, that's just not the way
• 1:17:53
  Speaker 2: I feel like they're structured. It just hasn't been.
• 1:17:55
  Speaker 1: Like Dobbins is a fine player, but like it's not
• 1:17:57
  Speaker 1: like they in order to win the game that with
• 1:18:00
  Speaker 1: the backup quarterback like that, like you need to have
• 1:18:02
  Speaker 1: you need to really be able to run the ball
• 1:18:04
  Speaker 1: like thirty five times in this game on Saturday Sunday.
• 1:18:07
  Speaker 1: And I don't think they're going to be able to
• 1:18:08
  Speaker 1: do that because they're going to be in second and
• 1:18:10
  Speaker 1: long too often because the Patriots are going to stop it.
• 1:18:12
  Speaker 4: So so I agree with you that I don't think
• 1:18:15
  Speaker 4: they can. My question to you is do you think
• 1:18:19
  Speaker 4: they'll try it anyway?
• 1:18:21
  Speaker 1: I don't know what other choice they have really, but
• 1:18:24
  Speaker 1: I guess, like I'm just saying that, I that's just
• 1:18:27
  Speaker 1: not how I vision.
• 1:18:28
  Speaker 2: Like, look at this offense.
• 1:18:30
  Speaker 4: So over the first ten weeks, this is I think
• 1:18:32
  Speaker 4: Dobbins played through week ten, right, I correct me if
• 1:18:35
  Speaker 4: I'm wrong.
• 1:18:36
  Speaker 3: Yeah, he did. He played through week ten.
• 1:18:37
  Speaker 4: Over the first ten weeks of the season, the Broncos
• 1:18:41
  Speaker 4: ran for four point eight yards per carry. It was
• 1:18:43
  Speaker 4: eighth in the NFL. They had the eighth most carries
• 1:18:45
  Speaker 4: in the NFL two seventy.
• 1:18:47
  Speaker 2: Yeah, but they have been possessed the ball a ton.
• 1:18:49
  Speaker 1: I'll just all right, like this is this is not
• 1:18:51
  Speaker 1: who they are, Like they did in this last game
• 1:18:54
  Speaker 1: against Buffalo, and I like if we all think that
• 1:18:56
  Speaker 1: they're just gonna all of a sudden become like the
• 1:18:58
  Speaker 1: Bills of the.
• 1:18:59
  Speaker 2: Ravens or something like that because of JK. Dobbins. I
• 1:19:01
  Speaker 2: just think that you're you're selling yourself a bridge, Like
• 1:19:04
  Speaker 2: this isn't who they are when you have.
• 1:19:06
  Speaker 3: Your backup quarterback starting AFC Championship game.
• 1:19:09
  Speaker 1: They ran the ball twelve times last week with bis No,
• 1:19:13
  Speaker 1: they ran it twelve times as traditionally as a team.
• 1:19:17
  Speaker 1: He dropped back fifty Like this just isn't Like I
• 1:19:20
  Speaker 1: don't think that they're just not built this way. Like
• 1:19:22
  Speaker 1: and if like you think like JK. Dobbins not Derrick Henry,
• 1:19:25
  Speaker 1: like he's not going to come back and all of
• 1:19:26
  Speaker 1: a sudden make them a prolific rushing off.
• 1:19:28
  Speaker 2: Sorry, I know he's not.
• 1:19:31
  Speaker 3: Isn't that what they kind of have to count on
• 1:19:33
  Speaker 3: to happen to win the game?
• 1:19:34
  Speaker 1: Though, Yeah, I guess. But like I'm just trying to
• 1:19:37
  Speaker 1: like this is what I'm trying to tell you, Like
• 1:19:39
  Speaker 1: I just don't really know. I know, I just don't
• 1:19:42
  Speaker 1: see it, Like I just you're talking.
• 1:19:44
  Speaker 3: About what you think is going to happen. This is
• 1:19:46
  Speaker 3: where we have. You're talking about what you thinks.
• 1:19:48
  Speaker 2: Like I think that looking deep into JK.
• 1:19:51
  Speaker 1: Dobbins coming back and then all of a sudden morphing
• 1:19:53
  Speaker 1: into this like beast of a run team is just unreal.
• 1:19:56
  Speaker 4: But as you said, the other not a beast of
• 1:19:58
  Speaker 4: a run team, but just in terms of what they're
• 1:20:00
  Speaker 4: going to do, what they're actually going to do.
• 1:20:02
  Speaker 3: Would you rather give the ball to JK.
• 1:20:04
  Speaker 4: Dobbins twenty five times coming off the list Frank injury
• 1:20:07
  Speaker 4: twenty five thirty times, or put the ball in Jared
• 1:20:08
  Speaker 4: Stidham's hands. What do you think Sean Payton is going
• 1:20:10
  Speaker 4: to do? Whether or not it will work. They don't
• 1:20:12
  Speaker 4: have a good option, all right? Now, this is the
• 1:20:14
  Speaker 4: point I understand.
• 1:20:15
  Speaker 1: But like all this stuff is a domino effect, right
• 1:20:17
  Speaker 1: because like if you try to come out and run
• 1:20:19
  Speaker 1: the ball, you know, sixteen seventeen times on first down,
• 1:20:22
  Speaker 1: you can.
• 1:20:23
  Speaker 2: Only keep doing it if you're if it's working right
• 1:20:25
  Speaker 2: Because like event.
• 1:20:26
  Speaker 4: So, you think that this is going to end up
• 1:20:28
  Speaker 4: a game where Jared Citty maybe throws a ball thirty
• 1:20:30
  Speaker 4: five to forty times, Yes, I.
• 1:20:31
  Speaker 1: Think because it just it inevitably is going to get there,
• 1:20:35
  Speaker 1: all right, I mean weair enough. I don't This is
• 1:20:38
  Speaker 1: like not the bigger point that I was trying to make,
• 1:20:40
  Speaker 1: but I think the point that I really am trying
• 1:20:43
  Speaker 1: to make about this Nixon Stidham thing.
• 1:20:47
  Speaker 2: I'm not the biggest Nicks guy, you know that.
• 1:20:49
  Speaker 1: But one thing that Nicks is really really good at
• 1:20:51
  Speaker 1: is a he's a pretty good athlete, and he's pretty
• 1:20:54
  Speaker 1: good at throwing the ball on the move, whether that's
• 1:20:56
  Speaker 1: off design or that's him just jitterbugging around.
• 1:20:59
  Speaker 2: And throw the ball off play.
• 1:21:02
  Speaker 6: Right.
• 1:21:03
  Speaker 1: And that is a huge, huge part of their offense.
• 1:21:06
  Speaker 1: They are number two in the league and rollout rate,
• 1:21:08
  Speaker 1: designed rollout rate, you know, bootlegs, things like that, And
• 1:21:12
  Speaker 1: it's not just bootlegs, like they also move the pocket
• 1:21:14
  Speaker 1: in different ways off motions and spinners, and they just
• 1:21:17
  Speaker 1: move the pocket a lot. Okay, then they also have
• 1:21:21
  Speaker 1: like his play extension and his like I swear to god,
• 1:21:24
  Speaker 1: that guy never sits still. He's like a quarterback with
• 1:21:27
  Speaker 1: ADHD Like he's just always moving around. And now you're
• 1:21:30
  Speaker 1: going to go into a game with Stidham where it's
• 1:21:33
  Speaker 1: going to be a completely different look.
• 1:21:35
  Speaker 2: Like Stidham is not a statue, but he's not.
• 1:21:39
  Speaker 1: That's not His playing style is to be bouncing around
• 1:21:42
  Speaker 1: and stuff like that back there like bon Nicks so
• 1:21:45
  Speaker 1: second in the league, and bootlegs are design rollouts. He's
• 1:21:48
  Speaker 1: also first in the league and throws on the run
• 1:21:51
  Speaker 1: like him on the run throwing the football. He throws
• 1:21:55
  Speaker 1: the ball on the run more than any other quarterback
• 1:21:57
  Speaker 1: in the NFL. So, like that whole thing is I
• 1:22:00
  Speaker 1: feel like it's just going to be completely gone from
• 1:22:02
  Speaker 1: this game. So this is now going to become a
• 1:22:05
  Speaker 1: much more traditional drop back, hand the ball off kind
• 1:22:09
  Speaker 1: of game where everything is going to be kind of
• 1:22:12
  Speaker 1: happening in the middle of the field. And I think
• 1:22:15
  Speaker 1: for the Broncos is I'm trying to like come up
• 1:22:17
  Speaker 1: with ways other than the Patriots turning the ball over
• 1:22:19
  Speaker 1: five times, which is true for any game any week
• 1:22:22
  Speaker 1: in any season. I look at this and I'm just like,
• 1:22:26
  Speaker 1: I don't know how you beat the Patriots defense away
• 1:22:30
  Speaker 1: they're playing right now in like a traditional kind of way.
• 1:22:34
  Speaker 2: I feel like that is probably not going to go
• 1:22:36
  Speaker 2: with you.
• 1:22:37
  Speaker 1: And so I'm really curious to see how they call
• 1:22:40
  Speaker 1: the game for Jared'stidham. I think that interests me more
• 1:22:44
  Speaker 1: than anything else about this whole thing. It's actually kind
• 1:22:47
  Speaker 1: of stressing me out a little bit because there's nothing
• 1:22:50
  Speaker 1: to go off of, which I think is a little
• 1:22:52
  Speaker 1: bit stressful, Like there's no tape, there's no.
• 1:22:55
  Speaker 3: Tub, But you just said they're gonna have to be
• 1:22:56
  Speaker 3: pretty vanilla about it.
• 1:22:58
  Speaker 1: So I went back and watched some of the preseason
• 1:23:01
  Speaker 1: just did him, And I know everybody's gonna laugh and
• 1:23:03
  Speaker 1: be like, that's preseason, that's crazy. But it's base plays, right,
• 1:23:07
  Speaker 1: Like what is like their fundamental core base plays that
• 1:23:11
  Speaker 1: they run all the time. That's the stuff that you run.
• 1:23:14
  Speaker 2: In training camp in the preseason.
• 1:23:16
  Speaker 1: That's the only thing that that Jared Sendham knows like
• 1:23:18
  Speaker 1: he's not getting first team reps in practice with an
• 1:23:22
  Speaker 1: install and a game plan during the regular season or
• 1:23:25
  Speaker 1: the or the divisional round because he's not the starting quarterback.
• 1:23:28
  Speaker 3: So the only is a young guy.
• 1:23:30
  Speaker 4: So even more than an average I would say him
• 1:23:32
  Speaker 4: not because you sometimes the backups will.
• 1:23:34
  Speaker 3: Get very with the young guy. It's usually not the case.
• 1:23:37
  Speaker 2: Sean Sean Payton said that he got next to none.
• 1:23:40
  Speaker 3: Okay, So.
• 1:23:42
  Speaker 1: There's just like that. That was the first place I started.
• 1:23:46
  Speaker 1: I also went back in twenty twenty three, started two
• 1:23:49
  Speaker 1: games for Denver Wish Sean Payton. Now it's a completely
• 1:23:53
  Speaker 1: different Denver roster. They were not good yet like it
• 1:23:56
  Speaker 1: was it was came. So there's a couple guys that
• 1:23:59
  Speaker 1: are still here.
• 1:24:00
  Speaker 2: But you know, Bowles is still here obviously, I think
• 1:24:03
  Speaker 2: you know a couple guys like that. But it's it's
• 1:24:05
  Speaker 2: not a lot.
• 1:24:07
  Speaker 1: And you know, I expect the Patriots to be preparing
• 1:24:10
  Speaker 1: for sort of their base system, you know, what is
• 1:24:13
  Speaker 1: their regular base system. But the problem is is at
• 1:24:16
  Speaker 1: their recent tape with Bo Nicks, he kind of like
• 1:24:19
  Speaker 1: throws out the conventional stuff a lot and ran it
• 1:24:23
  Speaker 1: just starts to run around back there, and so it's
• 1:24:25
  Speaker 1: just very difficult.
• 1:24:26
  Speaker 2: In my opinion, I.
• 1:24:27
  Speaker 4: Almost feel like, and I know this isn't exactly how
• 1:24:29
  Speaker 4: it works, but you almost have to look at tendencies
• 1:24:33
  Speaker 4: more than you look at I don't know the film.
• 1:24:37
  Speaker 4: I'm trying to figure out the right way to phrase this.
• 1:24:39
  Speaker 4: Like when he thrown to his left, first throw to
• 1:24:43
  Speaker 4: his right. Okay, when you get this route concept, which
• 1:24:46
  Speaker 4: route does he hit the most? Does he like to
• 1:24:47
  Speaker 4: test this window or this window if he's getting pressured
• 1:24:50
  Speaker 4: from his left, if he's getting pressured from his right,
• 1:24:52
  Speaker 4: Like I think you just have to look at his
• 1:24:54
  Speaker 4: tendencies more than the offense as a whole, and obviously
• 1:24:57
  Speaker 4: that leaves you bare. And again, I know that's not
• 1:24:59
  Speaker 4: exactly how works, because you have to look at it
• 1:25:02
  Speaker 4: in the context of the offense. But for me, it's
• 1:25:05
  Speaker 4: like tendency, Like that's just how he's wired. You have
• 1:25:08
  Speaker 4: to look at how he's wired and how he sees
• 1:25:11
  Speaker 4: the field. And maybe you go back to Vegas and
• 1:25:13
  Speaker 4: look at some of that, because he started a couple
• 1:25:15
  Speaker 4: of games in Vegas too, and I know that's in
• 1:25:16
  Speaker 4: a different offense, but you know, okay, there's a.
• 1:25:18
  Speaker 2: Little bit of a him.
• 1:25:20
  Speaker 1: Sean Payton's a Bill Parcell's guy. Like there's a tiny
• 1:25:23
  Speaker 1: little bit of overlap there with Peyton and with McDaniels.
• 1:25:27
  Speaker 1: It's really as somebody that you know does these game
• 1:25:31
  Speaker 1: previews every week and I put it, you know, a
• 1:25:33
  Speaker 1: game plan together, all this film cut ups and all
• 1:25:36
  Speaker 1: that kind of stuff to have like nothing to go
• 1:25:38
  Speaker 1: off of. I can only imagine how that kind of
• 1:25:40
  Speaker 1: feels for the coaching staff right now, because like, who
• 1:25:43
  Speaker 1: gives a shit about.
• 1:25:44
  Speaker 3: Me in the defensive meetings this week?
• 1:25:46
  Speaker 2: Like the coaching staff like is I'm sure just kind
• 1:25:50
  Speaker 2: of like all you got to look at.
• 1:25:53
  Speaker 1: I think all you can really do is what are
• 1:25:55
  Speaker 1: like the core philosophies of a Sean Payton offense? Yeah,
• 1:25:59
  Speaker 1: because that's they're gonna They're not gonna try to reinvent
• 1:26:01
  Speaker 1: the wheel.
• 1:26:02
  Speaker 2: They can't.
• 1:26:02
  Speaker 3: They don't have another time.
• 1:26:03
  Speaker 2: So they're gonna look at.
• 1:26:04
  Speaker 1: It and say, what are the what are the core
• 1:26:07
  Speaker 1: sort of tenants, staple concepts, route combinations like all that
• 1:26:12
  Speaker 1: kind of stuff that Sean Payton is known for and
• 1:26:15
  Speaker 1: runs a yearly basis, regardless of quarterback.
• 1:26:18
  Speaker 3: And that's kind of all you have to go off of, right,
• 1:26:21
  Speaker 3: and you kind of hope that works, you know.
• 1:26:23
  Speaker 1: The other couple of things I wanted to mention on
• 1:26:25
  Speaker 1: on the offense for Denver, this is the best offensive
• 1:26:28
  Speaker 1: line the Patriots have faced in the playoffs.
• 1:26:30
  Speaker 3: Is the best offensive line in the league.
• 1:26:32
  Speaker 2: It's one of the best.
• 1:26:34
  Speaker 1: It's definitely the best that they've faced in the playoffs
• 1:26:36
  Speaker 1: by a country mile. Yeah, I guess it depends on
• 1:26:40
  Speaker 1: what happens at center.
• 1:26:41
  Speaker 2: You know, they if their starting centers back.
• 1:26:45
  Speaker 1: They have two first team All Pros on the offensive
• 1:26:47
  Speaker 1: line with Bulls and their right guard Miners.
• 1:26:49
  Speaker 2: Is really good too.
• 1:26:52
  Speaker 1: I think that this is I'm really interested to see
• 1:26:56
  Speaker 1: if all this domination the Patriots have had on the
• 1:26:59
  Speaker 1: defense of line, like, is this for real?
• 1:27:03
  Speaker 2: I think we're going to find out.
• 1:27:04
  Speaker 1: Was this a product of two of the worst offensive
• 1:27:07
  Speaker 1: lines in football with the Texans and the Chargers. I
• 1:27:10
  Speaker 1: think that might be thirty one and thirty two if
• 1:27:12
  Speaker 1: I had to rate the offensive lines in the NFL
• 1:27:14
  Speaker 1: that they played in the first two rounds. Now they're
• 1:27:16
  Speaker 1: going to play an offensive line that's easily top three
• 1:27:19
  Speaker 1: to five. You know, I think the only lines that
• 1:27:21
  Speaker 1: give it a run for its money in terms of
• 1:27:23
  Speaker 1: the teams of Patriots that played are Buffalo and Pittsburgh,
• 1:27:26
  Speaker 1: both really good offensive lines too. So either way, you know,
• 1:27:31
  Speaker 1: can they still get pressure against a good offensive line?
• 1:27:33
  Speaker 1: Can they still stop the run against a good offensive line?
• 1:27:36
  Speaker 1: That's going to be a big question mark. And if
• 1:27:38
  Speaker 1: they can and they dominate a game again up front,
• 1:27:42
  Speaker 1: then it does for me at least change you know,
• 1:27:46
  Speaker 1: obviously I assume they win that game. If they're dominating
• 1:27:49
  Speaker 1: like that upfront, it does change a little bit or
• 1:27:52
  Speaker 1: get me a little bit more confidence going into the
• 1:27:54
  Speaker 1: Super Bowl against the Rams or the Seahawks, because that
• 1:27:58
  Speaker 1: tells you that that's real, that's say, that's a real
• 1:28:01
  Speaker 1: tangible thing now that this team can do is you know,
• 1:28:04
  Speaker 1: dominate the line of scrimmage defensively.
• 1:28:06
  Speaker 2: So you know, that's the way.
• 1:28:07
  Speaker 1: You know, we talked about, you know, the run game
• 1:28:09
  Speaker 1: a lot for Denver, Like that's their path, right is
• 1:28:13
  Speaker 1: Stidham's has a picnic back there all game. Like even
• 1:28:17
  Speaker 1: though I don't think very much of Jared's Didham, I
• 1:28:19
  Speaker 1: do think he's got arm talent and I do think that,
• 1:28:22
  Speaker 1: like any NFL quarterback for the most part, if you
• 1:28:24
  Speaker 1: keep a guy, you know, you keep the jersey clean.
• 1:28:27
  Speaker 1: And he's got no you know, he's got no pressure
• 1:28:29
  Speaker 1: on him, Like I'm sure he can make sit back
• 1:28:31
  Speaker 1: there and play seven on seven.
• 1:28:32
  Speaker 2: All day long, right Like that's all these guys.
• 1:28:35
  Speaker 1: And then of course the run game, you know, can
• 1:28:37
  Speaker 1: this offensive line you know, kind of spearhead with JK.
• 1:28:40
  Speaker 1: Dobbins maybe coming back a productive run game out of
• 1:28:44
  Speaker 1: it like that? That to me, if I'm Denver has
• 1:28:47
  Speaker 1: to be it like that. It has to be our
• 1:28:49
  Speaker 1: best attribute right now because also, let's not forget Troy
• 1:28:53
  Speaker 1: Franklin and Pat Bryant might not playing this game either.
• 1:28:56
  Speaker 1: Their best attribute has to be their offensive line and
• 1:28:58
  Speaker 1: just kind of helping that unit can dominate the Patriots.
• 1:29:02
  Speaker 4: Yeah, and to your point before about okay, it was
• 1:29:04
  Speaker 4: their dominance the last couple of weeks. The Patriots dominance
• 1:29:07
  Speaker 4: more a product of a you know, facing week banged
• 1:29:12
  Speaker 4: up offensive lines or what they were doing. I mean,
• 1:29:14
  Speaker 4: I think it's probably some of both. They they had
• 1:29:16
  Speaker 4: what thirty something pressures against the Chargers.
• 1:29:18
  Speaker 3: I think they have seventy two total in the last
• 1:29:20
  Speaker 3: two games. Are they going to do that?
• 1:29:22
  Speaker 2: No, I doubt it.
• 1:29:24
  Speaker 4: But can they be effective and make their presence felt? Yeah,
• 1:29:26
  Speaker 4: and it was against weaker teams before, But we've seen this.
• 1:29:29
  Speaker 4: We see this all the time, Like sometimes that's just
• 1:29:31
  Speaker 4: what it takes to get the ball rolling. And when
• 1:29:33
  Speaker 4: you face a tougher team, it's going to get tougher.
• 1:29:36
  Speaker 4: But you have this momentum now, you have things going
• 1:29:38
  Speaker 4: the right way, that you're going to play better than
• 1:29:40
  Speaker 4: you would otherwise. I guess the point I'm trying to
• 1:29:42
  Speaker 4: make is if they had had to play the Broncos first,
• 1:29:45
  Speaker 4: I don't know that I'd be as optimistic in their
• 1:29:47
  Speaker 4: rush as I am now because they've had these two
• 1:29:50
  Speaker 4: games to kind of work things out and figure out
• 1:29:52
  Speaker 4: what they want to be. I would also blitz a
• 1:29:53
  Speaker 4: lot and really pressure that offensive line and send more
• 1:29:56
  Speaker 4: bodies than they can handle and force tight ends and
• 1:29:59
  Speaker 4: running backs to block.
• 1:30:00
  Speaker 2: Yeah, so that was, you know, the.
• 1:30:02
  Speaker 1: Last thing I kind of had written down here on
• 1:30:04
  Speaker 1: the offensive side of the ball for the Broncos defense
• 1:30:06
  Speaker 1: for the Patriots was just, you know, don't don't change
• 1:30:10
  Speaker 1: the mac and cheese right like this, this is clearly
• 1:30:12
  Speaker 1: working what you're doing in terms of some of the
• 1:30:16
  Speaker 1: stuff that they've been mixing up on defense. Don't get
• 1:30:19
  Speaker 1: into this game and be like, oh, it's it's only
• 1:30:22
  Speaker 1: Jared Sidham, right like, don't do that whole thing. Treat
• 1:30:25
  Speaker 1: it like it like it's the starting quarterback. Come after him.
• 1:30:28
  Speaker 1: Do the same mix of blitzing forty percent blitz rate.
• 1:30:31
  Speaker 1: I'm all for in this game. The other thing that
• 1:30:33
  Speaker 1: I would just mention, and I know this is kind
• 1:30:35
  Speaker 1: of a little bit contradictory to what I just said,
• 1:30:38
  Speaker 1: but just.
• 1:30:38
  Speaker 2: Like rule of thumb.
• 1:30:39
  Speaker 1: Like Wise, normally, when you face a quarterback who hasn't
• 1:30:43
  Speaker 1: seen a live defense in two years, like you usually
• 1:30:46
  Speaker 1: want to play zone against those kinds of guys.
• 1:30:49
  Speaker 2: Because man to to man coverage.
• 1:30:51
  Speaker 1: Is actually pretty simple to read for a quarterback, Like
• 1:30:54
  Speaker 1: you just find the one on one matchup right, and
• 1:30:56
  Speaker 1: then it becomes receiver separation, contested catch ability, ball placement,
• 1:31:01
  Speaker 1: like it becomes that kind of game. It's it's you know,
• 1:31:04
  Speaker 1: to go back to the other and it's seven on
• 1:31:06
  Speaker 1: seven at that point right right, Like it's just we're
• 1:31:08
  Speaker 1: gonna find the open man. We're gonna go one, two, three,
• 1:31:10
  Speaker 1: find the open man, We're gonna put it on them
• 1:31:13
  Speaker 1: and hope a guy can make the catch in traffic
• 1:31:14
  Speaker 1: Like that, that's what man coverage becomes. Zone coverage is
• 1:31:18
  Speaker 1: much more of a thinking man's game. Now you need
• 1:31:21
  Speaker 1: to read out this coverage shell. You need to find
• 1:31:24
  Speaker 1: the soft spots. The receiver needs to be on the
• 1:31:26
  Speaker 1: same page as the quarterback. And then I also think
• 1:31:28
  Speaker 1: the biggest thing about zone there's eyes on the quarterback.
• 1:31:32
  Speaker 1: So if he's gonna throw you a couple, you're gonna
• 1:31:34
  Speaker 1: see him come in your way and you're gonna be
• 1:31:36
  Speaker 1: able to pick him off. So all this stuff that
• 1:31:39
  Speaker 1: we've seen them do throughout the course of the season,
• 1:31:41
  Speaker 1: but especially in the playoffs, like all this like spin
• 1:31:44
  Speaker 1: the dial, the sky zone stuff that they've done.
• 1:31:46
  Speaker 2: Like that to me is the game plan, Like.
• 1:31:48
  Speaker 1: We are just going to absolutely put this guy in
• 1:31:52
  Speaker 1: a blender, Like we're gonna spin it. We're gonna spin
• 1:31:55
  Speaker 1: pressure up front, We're gonna spin the dial in the
• 1:31:57
  Speaker 1: back end. We're gonna be in different zone structures all long.
• 1:32:00
  Speaker 1: He's not going to know what zone we're sitting in.
• 1:32:02
  Speaker 1: We're going to change it up pre snap, post snap.
• 1:32:05
  Speaker 1: And not only again, like does he not have a
• 1:32:08
  Speaker 1: ton of experience reading that out in an NFL game?
• 1:32:11
  Speaker 1: He hasn't worked with any of these receivers really.
• 1:32:14
  Speaker 4: Well exact You mentioned that that Troy Franklin and Pat
• 1:32:17
  Speaker 4: Bryant might be out, so he might actually be with
• 1:32:19
  Speaker 4: some of the second and third team receivers.
• 1:32:22
  Speaker 1: That's true that that that that could be a factor,
• 1:32:25
  Speaker 1: But at the end of the day, like how many
• 1:32:27
  Speaker 1: passes has he thrown to Courtland's side? Right again, No,
• 1:32:29
  Speaker 1: you're right, So like if you're trying to get them
• 1:32:31
  Speaker 1: to be on the same page and understand the voids
• 1:32:34
  Speaker 1: and understand the soft spots, that to me is a
• 1:32:37
  Speaker 1: lot harder to do.
• 1:32:38
  Speaker 3: Force him into, like timing routes yeah, in that kind right.
• 1:32:40
  Speaker 1: Like finding just under being on the same page. You know,
• 1:32:44
  Speaker 1: I'm gonna sit here, I'm going to break there, you know,
• 1:32:46
  Speaker 1: whatever the case may be. Moving over to the defense
• 1:32:49
  Speaker 1: a little bit more for the Broncos Patriots offense, a
• 1:32:52
  Speaker 1: couple of matchup things. I think we you know, I
• 1:32:54
  Speaker 1: don't want to bog down too much with like all
• 1:32:57
  Speaker 1: the schematics of the Broncos defense, although Vans Joseph's doing
• 1:32:59
  Speaker 1: a really good job with that.
• 1:33:01
  Speaker 3: Having the time of his life.
• 1:33:05
  Speaker 1: Obviously, we know that Nick Bond, you know, excuse me,
• 1:33:08
  Speaker 1: it's gonna come off Will Campbell's edge. So I think
• 1:33:13
  Speaker 1: that the one advantage about this game. Bonito's not a
• 1:33:18
  Speaker 1: long limbed.
• 1:33:20
  Speaker 3: Drink drink something.
• 1:33:22
  Speaker 2: Just relax. He's not a long limbed He's not a
• 1:33:25
  Speaker 2: long limbed dude. Right. He is a two d and
• 1:33:28
  Speaker 2: forty pounds speed rusher. Yeah.
• 1:33:30
  Speaker 1: Yeah, he's a little undersized. You know, Campbell had some
• 1:33:33
  Speaker 1: problems with her big early on in the season. Is
• 1:33:35
  Speaker 1: kind of a similar build. But I would much rather
• 1:33:38
  Speaker 1: Will Campbell in that kind of matchup than in like
• 1:33:41
  Speaker 1: a a matchup with like a cyborg like Will Anderson. Right,
• 1:33:45
  Speaker 1: So you know he really has like two moves. He's
• 1:33:47
  Speaker 1: gonna win with speed around the edge, and he's gonna
• 1:33:50
  Speaker 1: win with like speed to power. He's gonna convert it
• 1:33:52
  Speaker 1: into power. I at least feel cautiously optimistic that if
• 1:33:57
  Speaker 1: I had to pick like the type of edge rusher
• 1:33:59
  Speaker 1: that I'd want Will Campbell to go against in that
• 1:34:01
  Speaker 1: category of like elite guys like this is probably more
• 1:34:04
  Speaker 1: of the skill set that I'd rather him face than
• 1:34:07
  Speaker 1: what he would faced with like Away or with Willie Anderson.
• 1:34:10
  Speaker 3: Yeah, and again it's just it's it's a guy that.
• 1:34:14
  Speaker 4: Will Campbell should be able to handle if he's not
• 1:34:16
  Speaker 4: two in his own head about it. And that's where
• 1:34:18
  Speaker 4: I'm kind of at with him, is just I think
• 1:34:20
  Speaker 4: this is a matchup he can win, but he can't
• 1:34:22
  Speaker 4: try to do too much. Because the thing is, if
• 1:34:25
  Speaker 4: you the big thing about a guy like Benito, like
• 1:34:27
  Speaker 4: blocking him, you can't have wasted movements.
• 1:34:30
  Speaker 3: He's too fast.
• 1:34:31
  Speaker 4: If you're trying to fake him or this or that,
• 1:34:34
  Speaker 4: or he's just gonna get by you, just got to
• 1:34:36
  Speaker 4: you gotta just get to your spot, get to your
• 1:34:38
  Speaker 4: spot and make him go through you.
• 1:34:40
  Speaker 1: Yeah, because he's not gonna like I watched you know,
• 1:34:43
  Speaker 1: a bunch of his rushes, and I talked to Brandon Thorne,
• 1:34:45
  Speaker 1: who's like an expert. Yeah, way smarter on this stuff
• 1:34:48
  Speaker 1: than I am. It's two moves. It's he's got an
• 1:34:51
  Speaker 1: elite elite speed rush, you know. He uses a ghost move,
• 1:34:54
  Speaker 1: you know, to kind of fake the power and then
• 1:34:56
  Speaker 1: dip underneath the edge. Elite at that maybe the best
• 1:35:00
  Speaker 1: the league. And then he has a little bit of
• 1:35:01
  Speaker 1: a bull rush just because of how explosive he is
• 1:35:03
  Speaker 1: off the ball. But I looked, you know, through like
• 1:35:07
  Speaker 1: fifty of his pass rushes recently and like to for
• 1:35:10
  Speaker 1: any sort of like inside counter because that's what gives
• 1:35:13
  Speaker 1: Will Campbell some issues. Is guys that can swim or
• 1:35:16
  Speaker 1: jab or you know, give him a little crossover or
• 1:35:19
  Speaker 1: something like that. I didn't see any really from Benitos,
• 1:35:22
  Speaker 1: so it's kind of like a little bit of like
• 1:35:24
  Speaker 1: a I want to call him a one trick pony
• 1:35:26
  Speaker 1: is probably disrespectful, but like he has like two tricks,
• 1:35:29
  Speaker 1: you know, and I kind of like Campbell in that
• 1:35:31
  Speaker 1: kind of matchup. The other guy that I just circled
• 1:35:34
  Speaker 1: that I think is important in this game is Zach Allen.
• 1:35:36
  Speaker 1: He was a beast in the middle. I assume that
• 1:35:39
  Speaker 1: they're gonna line Zach Allen up over Jared Wilson a
• 1:35:42
  Speaker 1: lot in this game, maybe even a little big air
• 1:35:43
  Speaker 1: Bradberry as well.
• 1:35:45
  Speaker 2: He is a monster.
• 1:35:46
  Speaker 1: He's a big dude more like, not like big in
• 1:35:50
  Speaker 1: terms of weight, but just like sheer size and length,
• 1:35:53
  Speaker 1: very powerful, a very very good arm over swim rush
• 1:35:58
  Speaker 1: as well, which can give like smaller guys like Bradbury
• 1:36:01
  Speaker 1: and Wilson some problems just because they kind of come
• 1:36:04
  Speaker 1: with power and then he just swims over you. So
• 1:36:06
  Speaker 1: that's another guy on their front that you know, along
• 1:36:09
  Speaker 1: with the scheming and stuff like that. You know, those
• 1:36:11
  Speaker 1: two guys are kind of the centerpieces of their past
• 1:36:13
  Speaker 1: rucks they have to worry about. So I'm very interested
• 1:36:15
  Speaker 1: to see how they they handle that, because, yeah, I
• 1:36:19
  Speaker 1: do think that you can kind of key on Bonito
• 1:36:21
  Speaker 1: a little bit, you know, if you chip them things
• 1:36:23
  Speaker 1: like that, like if he's only gonna win with speed
• 1:36:26
  Speaker 1: around the outside, like if you start chipping him and
• 1:36:29
  Speaker 1: stuff like that, then he's got really kind of nothing
• 1:36:31
  Speaker 1: else to go to, right, you know, So that might
• 1:36:33
  Speaker 1: help that out.
• 1:36:34
  Speaker 2: But how they handle Zach Allen in the middle is
• 1:36:35
  Speaker 2: going to be a big part of this game.
• 1:36:37
  Speaker 3: Yeah, you need Garret Bradbury, Mike go and want to
• 1:36:39
  Speaker 3: step up again.
• 1:36:40
  Speaker 2: Yeah.
• 1:36:41
  Speaker 1: In the secondary, you know a couple of cornerback matchups
• 1:36:44
  Speaker 1: here to highlight. Obviously we know about Patrick Sartan. That
• 1:36:48
  Speaker 1: guy's unbelievable hell of a player.
• 1:36:50
  Speaker 2: I looked this up. He on deep targets this year, He's.
• 1:36:53
  Speaker 1: Allowed one catch on a throw over twenty yards out
• 1:36:57
  Speaker 1: of thirteen attempts. He's one for thirteen on deep. So
• 1:37:01
  Speaker 1: I wouldn't really suggest testing him too much. Uh. Their
• 1:37:04
  Speaker 1: slot corner McMillan has played really, really well. You had
• 1:37:07
  Speaker 1: the big pick in the game, controversial pick, I should
• 1:37:10
  Speaker 1: say it picked it. Uh, he's been really good uh
• 1:37:13
  Speaker 1: this year as well. So those two guys good. You know,
• 1:37:17
  Speaker 1: the McMillan matchups kind of like a strength on strength
• 1:37:20
  Speaker 1: like digs. You know, probably versus McMillan certain is probably
• 1:37:24
  Speaker 1: gonna be on the boundary. So if it's Keseh on booty,
• 1:37:27
  Speaker 1: if it's Kyle Williams, no offense. But you're kind of
• 1:37:29
  Speaker 1: just sacrificing yourself in this game, I.
• 1:37:32
  Speaker 2: Think on that side of the field.
• 1:37:34
  Speaker 1: Uh, Waldo's Riley Moss right like like, where's Riley Moss
• 1:37:38
  Speaker 1: And you know, let's let's get over the top of
• 1:37:40
  Speaker 1: Riley Moss.
• 1:37:41
  Speaker 4: Is the matchup Riley Moss. So the Broncos. You want
• 1:37:45
  Speaker 4: a weak spot in the Broncos defense, Yes, no team
• 1:37:49
  Speaker 4: has been. No team had more defensive penalties or defensive
• 1:37:55
  Speaker 4: penalty yards against this year in the Denver Broncos.
• 1:37:57
  Speaker 3: The most penalized defense in football.
• 1:37:59
  Speaker 4: Big part that Riley Moss eight pass interference penalties this
• 1:38:04
  Speaker 4: year that led the league and by the way, Nick
• 1:38:05
  Speaker 4: Benito second in off sides. They were the most penalized team,
• 1:38:09
  Speaker 4: most penalized defensive team overall, but specifically they were called
• 1:38:13
  Speaker 4: for the most defensive pass interference and the most defensive
• 1:38:16
  Speaker 4: off sides or neutral zone infractions in the NFL.
• 1:38:19
  Speaker 3: Now, they were better last week. They only had one,
• 1:38:21
  Speaker 3: but it was a potentially costing one.
• 1:38:22
  Speaker 4: It was on that drive where the Bills were going
• 1:38:24
  Speaker 4: to get the game tying field goal at the end
• 1:38:26
  Speaker 4: of regulation third and one.
• 1:38:27
  Speaker 3: Benito jumps off sides. I think was that was technically neutral.
• 1:38:30
  Speaker 4: Zone, but Riley Moss very handsy corner and there's a
• 1:38:35
  Speaker 4: referee crew that calls it pretty straight down the middle.
• 1:38:37
  Speaker 4: They're not flag heavy. They're not gonna let him play crew.
• 1:38:40
  Speaker 4: They're they're about average. But the Patriots have some receivers
• 1:38:44
  Speaker 4: that are good at drawing PI yep, and Riley Moss
• 1:38:46
  Speaker 4: is susceptible to it.
• 1:38:47
  Speaker 2: Ley Moss I heard this a long time ago.
• 1:38:51
  Speaker 1: I'm sure it's nothing revolutionary, but you know, somebody said
• 1:38:54
  Speaker 1: to me, like they one of the receivers on the
• 1:38:56
  Speaker 1: Patriots was like, you know, he's Waldo and I was like,
• 1:38:59
  Speaker 1: what's happening?
• 1:39:00
  Speaker 2: And he's like, you.
• 1:39:00
  Speaker 3: Find specifically, just in general, you.
• 1:39:03
  Speaker 1: Find the corner that's Baldough and that's the matchup that
• 1:39:06
  Speaker 1: we're hunted. You know, that's the guy we're hunting.
• 1:39:08
  Speaker 2: In this match.
• 1:39:11
  Speaker 4: Antonio Smith, Anthony Smith, Yeah, yeah, this match of Riley
• 1:39:15
  Speaker 4: Moss's Waldough. Yeah, Like they could target Riley Moss like
• 1:39:18
  Speaker 4: fifteen times in this game and it wouldn't surprise me.
• 1:39:21
  Speaker 3: You think they line up digs more outside to try
• 1:39:23
  Speaker 3: to get him on Moss?
• 1:39:24
  Speaker 1: They could, Yeah, he's usually you know, uh certain usually
• 1:39:27
  Speaker 1: plays the boundary and Moss plays the field corner spot, so.
• 1:39:30
  Speaker 2: You know you could do that.
• 1:39:32
  Speaker 1: They they he's given up you know, not a ton
• 1:39:36
  Speaker 1: like the percentage isn't terrible. I think it's like nine
• 1:39:39
  Speaker 1: for twenty eight, so it's like thirty five percent on
• 1:39:41
  Speaker 1: deep targets, but it's better than one.
• 1:39:43
  Speaker 3: For thirteen, right, exactly. You got to go with somebody.
• 1:39:45
  Speaker 1: Yeah, and you mentioned the penalties, which is a good point.
• 1:39:48
  Speaker 1: You know, I think it's twelve overall. Eight dpi's you know,
• 1:39:51
  Speaker 1: he's he's susceptible more than playing football. Yeah, he's subseptible
• 1:39:55
  Speaker 1: to that. He's cleaned that up a little bit in
• 1:39:57
  Speaker 1: the back half of the season. It was probably a
• 1:39:59
  Speaker 1: really big problem early and he's cleaned that up a
• 1:40:01
  Speaker 1: little bit. Now, you know, a couple more things and
• 1:40:04
  Speaker 1: then we'll take the last calls and emails. Uh Hufunga
• 1:40:07
  Speaker 1: just a playmaking safety kind of.
• 1:40:10
  Speaker 4: Yeah, but he'll come down near the line of scrimmage sometimes.
• 1:40:12
  Speaker 4: Really is a good tackling defense. I've always been a
• 1:40:14
  Speaker 4: fan of his plays with an edge. Is not afraid
• 1:40:18
  Speaker 4: to get dirty. Kind of reminds me a little bit, honestly.
• 1:40:20
  Speaker 4: He's not dirty of a player, but like all Shire, yeah,
• 1:40:24
  Speaker 4: like kind of similar, Like you just got to know
• 1:40:26
  Speaker 4: where he is because he's gonna be flying around.
• 1:40:27
  Speaker 2: Yeah.
• 1:40:28
  Speaker 1: I mean they've played some really good hybrid safeties, you know,
• 1:40:30
  Speaker 1: Petrie Derwin James. I think Kufunga is right in that
• 1:40:34
  Speaker 1: category of guys that play a lot in the box,
• 1:40:36
  Speaker 1: play a lot over the slot, and like some of
• 1:40:38
  Speaker 1: their more nickel like standard nickel packages. Uh, he's just
• 1:40:42
  Speaker 1: around the ball a lot and it's kind of like
• 1:40:44
  Speaker 1: a heat seeking missile out there.
• 1:40:45
  Speaker 3: Yeah, and then uh, good play.
• 1:40:47
  Speaker 1: There are other safety there. Free safety is is it
• 1:40:49
  Speaker 1: lock or loki? It's spelled with an E at PJ lock. Yeah,
• 1:40:53
  Speaker 1: I think it's locked.
• 1:40:54
  Speaker 3: So he's a backup, right.
• 1:40:56
  Speaker 2: Well, he's played well. If he's a backup, I don't
• 1:40:58
  Speaker 2: I don't know, but.
• 1:40:59
  Speaker 3: I thought they started the season with somebody else he
• 1:41:01
  Speaker 3: might be.
• 1:41:01
  Speaker 1: He's he's a pretty good safety, pretty rangy in the
• 1:41:05
  Speaker 1: deep part of the field. He plays free safety for them.
• 1:41:07
  Speaker 1: You know, it's pretty clear like Hufunga is the box guy,
• 1:41:11
  Speaker 1: he's the free guy. You know, he's the guy over
• 1:41:13
  Speaker 1: the top of the defense. He made some really good plays,
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  Speaker 1: you know, I saw in film of him, like coming
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  Speaker 1: from one side of the field to the other to
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  Speaker 1: make plays on the ball.
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  Speaker 2: He's a ballhawk.
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  Speaker 9: You know.
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  Speaker 2: He can definitely cover a lot of ground back there.
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  Speaker 1: So if you are going to throw deep and at
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  Speaker 1: least move the safety first move for you, try to
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  Speaker 1: do it because that guy can come out of nowhere
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  Speaker 1: and make plays.
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  Speaker 2: On the football.
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  Speaker 3: Brandon Jones, this guy's better.
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  Speaker 1: I know Brandon Jones a little bit. I think this
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  Speaker 1: guy's got a lot of range. He's impressive.
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  Speaker 4: Yeah, he only started three games, so he started fifteen
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  Speaker 4: last year. He got replaced by.
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  Speaker 3: Hufunga.
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  Speaker 4: Yeah, and then it was it was him and Jones
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  Speaker 4: and now he's back at no. He's he played really
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  Speaker 4: good against the Bills.
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  Speaker 2: I thought, yeah, so you know a lot going on
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  Speaker 2: with this defense.
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  Speaker 1: This was watching their defense on film, Alex was like
• 1:42:03
  Speaker 1: anxiety driven, not because of how good they are, but
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  Speaker 1: because it's an absolutely chaotic film to watch, like they're
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  Speaker 1: the game against the Jaguars especially. I watched a bulk
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  Speaker 1: of that just to kind of get a feel of
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  Speaker 1: what Jacksonville did. First of all, Jacksonville PJ. Washington broke
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  Speaker 1: two tackles on the outside. It turned like ten yard
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  Speaker 1: games into like seventy yard games. And that was a
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  Speaker 1: big part of the reason why Jacksonville started to score
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  Speaker 1: in that game. Was they they missed a couple of
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  Speaker 1: tackles they don't normally miss. But it's just like that's
• 1:42:36
  Speaker 1: a chaotic offense because Trevor Lawrence is a chaotic guy,
• 1:42:39
  Speaker 1: and then it's a chaotic defense.
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  Speaker 2: And I was like, I don't even know what some
• 1:42:42
  Speaker 2: of this is, like, you know, like I'm sitting there.
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  Speaker 3: Watching this back football.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, like some of the coverages that Denver's running, and
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  Speaker 1: I'm like, I don't I don't really even know what
• 1:42:51
  Speaker 1: to call this.
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  Speaker 3: Like this is you felt like the Chargers players against Yes, again, Yes,
• 1:42:57
  Speaker 3: it was.
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  Speaker 1: Just like sometimes they they play combination coverages were one
• 1:43:01
  Speaker 1: side zoned off and one side's manned. Sometimes they're matching
• 1:43:05
  Speaker 1: routes where they'd pass off crossers but carry verticals.
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  Speaker 2: Sometimes they're just in straight man to man like it was.
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  Speaker 2: It was a lot.
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  Speaker 1: It was a lot to digest, you know, over my
• 1:43:15
  Speaker 1: head in some cases, and so it was it was
• 1:43:18
  Speaker 1: cool though. I was like, man, you know vance Joseph like, yeah,
• 1:43:22
  Speaker 1: like really kind of cooking it up.
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  Speaker 3: Is he getting interviews? I think he kind of should,
• 1:43:26
  Speaker 3: Like I thought I saw he was interviewing for one
• 1:43:28
  Speaker 3: or two jobs.
• 1:43:30
  Speaker 1: All right, let's take these last couple of calls and
• 1:43:32
  Speaker 1: we have a few emails here if you want to
• 1:43:34
  Speaker 1: get to those as well.
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  Speaker 2: John is in Pittsburgh.
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  Speaker 10: Was up, John, John, Hey, guys, Hey, great great show.
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  Speaker 2: Thank you.
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  Speaker 5: By the way. It's it's fun living in Pittsburgh when
• 1:43:48
  Speaker 5: people still come up to me and ask me if
• 1:43:51
  Speaker 5: that was a catch by Jesse James go figure. Uh, well,
• 1:43:57
  Speaker 5: one of the things that you brought up as far
• 1:43:59
  Speaker 5: as Denver game, and I didn't see it, and I'm
• 1:44:01
  Speaker 5: wondering if they're going to do this against Denver is
• 1:44:04
  Speaker 5: a little bit more of a role out. I didn't
• 1:44:07
  Speaker 5: see that against Houston, and I was kind of surprised
• 1:44:11
  Speaker 5: by that, and going into Denver, I think you're gonna
• 1:44:16
  Speaker 5: see with Stinham being pretty much statue asque, I guess
• 1:44:21
  Speaker 5: probably some jet sweeps to Mims, contested downfield to Sutton
• 1:44:28
  Speaker 5: and probably using Harvey out of the backfield. And if
• 1:44:32
  Speaker 5: Dobbins comes back and he plays, well, you're gonna sit
• 1:44:36
  Speaker 5: your hats on. Appreciate it, guys.
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  Speaker 2: Thanks Thanks John. Yeah, I think that's a lot of
• 1:44:40
  Speaker 2: good points.
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  Speaker 3: I can to see him getting creative in the run game.
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  Speaker 1: If Mims has to play a lot like he's not
• 1:44:45
  Speaker 1: really a traditional wide receiver. He's more of like a
• 1:44:48
  Speaker 1: gadget player on offense. And I would say, he's this
• 1:44:51
  Speaker 1: guy with this like diverse route tree that's going to
• 1:44:53
  Speaker 1: go out there and be able to do that. So
• 1:44:55
  Speaker 1: he's going to run vertical routes and he's going to
• 1:44:57
  Speaker 1: run what he said and there at Jets, you know
• 1:45:00
  Speaker 1: that sort of thing screens, that's going to be a
• 1:45:03
  Speaker 1: big part of what they do if Mims has to
• 1:45:04
  Speaker 1: play a lot. What was the other thing that he said,
• 1:45:08
  Speaker 1: a statue. Yeah, he's definitely not a statue. I wouldn't
• 1:45:11
  Speaker 1: call him a statue.
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  Speaker 4: No, he's not a mobile as Nicks. But he's not
• 1:45:14
  Speaker 4: you know, no, you can roll him out. I wouldn't
• 1:45:17
  Speaker 4: like he's not gonna design runs, by the way, that
• 1:45:19
  Speaker 4: was what it was.
• 1:45:19
  Speaker 1: He said about the Patriots not running design I'd like mad.
• 1:45:23
  Speaker 1: So they tried it a couple of times against Houston.
• 1:45:27
  Speaker 1: One of them was a Will Anderson sack. They tried
• 1:45:29
  Speaker 1: to move the pocket and hit the route, you know,
• 1:45:31
  Speaker 1: the throwback route, you know, back on a bootleg, and
• 1:45:34
  Speaker 1: it wasn't open. The Texans covered it well, and so
• 1:45:38
  Speaker 1: he took a sack. Uh, he got the Hooper playoff barely.
• 1:45:41
  Speaker 1: He had to throw it over to guys that were coming,
• 1:45:45
  Speaker 1: you know, dead to rights. And then they tried it again,
• 1:45:48
  Speaker 1: I want to say, going in the other direction, and
• 1:45:51
  Speaker 1: he took a zero.
• 1:45:53
  Speaker 2: Yard That was the zero yard sack.
• 1:45:54
  Speaker 3: Yeah.
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  Speaker 2: So I think they tried it like three or four
• 1:45:57
  Speaker 2: times against the Texans and it didn't work.
• 1:45:59
  Speaker 4: The tests were over, a lot of people were saying,
• 1:46:01
  Speaker 4: why aren't they rolling out more? They've been good at
• 1:46:03
  Speaker 4: this this year, like roll Drake Maham where they have
• 1:46:05
  Speaker 4: been good at it this year. I think teams are
• 1:46:07
  Speaker 4: kind of planning for it and sitting on it ready
• 1:46:09
  Speaker 4: for it. So yeah, that doesn't mean you don't do it,
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  Speaker 4: but it's something I think other teams are game planning against.
• 1:46:14
  Speaker 1: I want to say they ran four or five rollouts
• 1:46:17
  Speaker 1: in the game against the Texans.
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  Speaker 2: Only one of them worked. Yeah, and it was the
• 1:46:21
  Speaker 2: Hooper play that he gained fourteen.
• 1:46:23
  Speaker 1: It was a nice little play, but like if you
• 1:46:25
  Speaker 1: watch it back, you're like, Okay, well that's not going
• 1:46:27
  Speaker 1: to work again. But it was kind of He's snuck
• 1:46:29
  Speaker 1: out behind the pass rusher that went after May and
• 1:46:33
  Speaker 1: they got he just lofted it over the guy and
• 1:46:36
  Speaker 1: got it Cooper. It was not a clean play by
• 1:46:38
  Speaker 1: any means. Mark is in Connecticut. What's up Mark?
• 1:46:43
  Speaker 9: Hey, guys, thanks for taking my call. Let's go past
• 1:46:46
  Speaker 9: absolutely Will Campbell. Will Campbell has turned into ay if
• 1:46:50
  Speaker 9: you want to call it, a turnstile on the left side.
• 1:46:54
  Speaker 9: And now I know he's going up against the league guys.
• 1:46:56
  Speaker 9: My comparison of him, which I believe he's going to
• 1:47:00
  Speaker 9: be his logan Mankins. I think he's going to be
• 1:47:02
  Speaker 9: a great guard in a tackle when you need him
• 1:47:05
  Speaker 9: in emergency situation. So I just wanted to get your
• 1:47:07
  Speaker 9: guy's take on that. And the last thing is Mac Collins.
• 1:47:11
  Speaker 9: I am super psyched and hope that he's going to
• 1:47:14
  Speaker 9: play this weekend because this guy is to elite in
• 1:47:18
  Speaker 9: the blocking, in his just his catch ability. He has
• 1:47:22
  Speaker 9: like sure hands. And is there anybody in the draft
• 1:47:26
  Speaker 9: coming up just to get ahead of ourselves that we
• 1:47:29
  Speaker 9: can replace him with, because I know Mac Collins is
• 1:47:31
  Speaker 9: getting older and he's on another one more year I
• 1:47:34
  Speaker 9: think with us.
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  Speaker 13: So just wanted to get you guys take on that.
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  Speaker 2: Let's go Cap, Yeah, thanks for the call.
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  Speaker 1: Mark is always on the Campbell thing. I think we
• 1:47:45
  Speaker 1: can just kind of leave it at this. Yeah, I
• 1:47:49
  Speaker 1: feel like we do this with everybody that like they're
• 1:47:51
  Speaker 1: automatically going to be a better guard because they are.
• 1:47:54
  Speaker 2: That's just the way it works. But I just I'm
• 1:47:56
  Speaker 2: not sold that he would be like that.
• 1:47:58
  Speaker 1: It would solve a ton of issues because the biggest
• 1:48:00
  Speaker 1: thing that Campbell has an issue with is that he's narrow,
• 1:48:04
  Speaker 1: Like He's literally just narrow like.
• 1:48:05
  Speaker 2: He's narrow, and he's short arms.
• 1:48:07
  Speaker 1: He's kind of like, you know, offensive line guys call
• 1:48:11
  Speaker 1: it sowd off, right, He's got a sowd off frame,
• 1:48:14
  Speaker 1: and so when you have this that frame, like he
• 1:48:17
  Speaker 1: doesn't take up a whole lot of space, so when
• 1:48:19
  Speaker 1: you're trying to like build a surface, like I just
• 1:48:22
  Speaker 1: when I watch if the way that he sets, I
• 1:48:26
  Speaker 1: just would worry at guard that guys would just get
• 1:48:28
  Speaker 1: underneath him and just push him back into the pocket.
• 1:48:30
  Speaker 1: And so I feel like developing him at tackle, he
• 1:48:34
  Speaker 1: just looks like the way he moves, I guess is
• 1:48:36
  Speaker 1: what I'm trying to get at, the way he moves.
• 1:48:38
  Speaker 2: Looks more like a tackle than the guard.
• 1:48:40
  Speaker 1: Yeah, he looks like his natural movements of his body,
• 1:48:44
  Speaker 1: he just looks more natural playing a little bit higher
• 1:48:47
  Speaker 1: up and playing a little bit more in space.
• 1:48:49
  Speaker 2: I said it earlier.
• 1:48:50
  Speaker 1: I think he'd be a great run blocking guard, that's
• 1:48:52
  Speaker 1: no doubt, but I think that in terms of past protection,
• 1:48:55
  Speaker 1: I just don't know if that solves all the problems
• 1:48:58
  Speaker 1: like a lot of people think it will.
• 1:48:59
  Speaker 3: You would also then a new left tackle, which we've
• 1:49:02
  Speaker 3: been through this is not easy to find.
• 1:49:04
  Speaker 1: It would be great if he plays well on Sunday,
• 1:49:06
  Speaker 1: because this conversation is gonna be all off season long,
• 1:49:11
  Speaker 1: So Sunday in Denver it should be a good one.
• 1:49:15
  Speaker 2: It should be exciting. I'm not writing off the Broncos.
• 1:49:18
  Speaker 2: I'm not going to do that.
• 1:49:18
  Speaker 1: I'm not going to take that bait. I do think
• 1:49:23
  Speaker 1: the Patriots come out and win this game, but I'm
• 1:49:25
  Speaker 1: not going to write them off completely.
• 1:49:26
  Speaker 2: So it should be an exciting game. We'll be back
• 1:49:29
  Speaker 2: next week, win or loose.
• 1:49:31
  Speaker 1: We'll be back next week, hopefully win, and we'll talk
• 1:49:34
  Speaker 1: about the Broncos game.
• 1:49:36
  Speaker 2: Hopefully we'll talk a little bit about the super Bowl.
• 1:49:39
  Speaker 1: You know, we will have two weeks obviously if they
• 1:49:41
  Speaker 1: do win on Sunday, so I have plenty of time
• 1:49:42
  Speaker 1: to talk about the super Bowl at that Hopefully if
• 1:49:45
  Speaker 1: the Patriots pull it off in Denver, so p you
• 1:49:48
  Speaker 1: will be up in ten minutes or so.
• 1:49:50
  Speaker 2: We'll see you guys next week, right.
• 1:49:54
  Speaker 3: Hey, this is Alex.
• 1:49:55
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• 1:50:07
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• 1:50:08
  Speaker 3: Thanks a lot,