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Discovering the Essence of Originality in Music Creation · Music Explored Podcast

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  I
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  try
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  to
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  help
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  people
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  is
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  by
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  telling
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  them
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  to
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  look
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  outside
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  of
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  that
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  box
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  and
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  try
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  to
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  find
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  something
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  different.
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  What
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  is
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  it
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  that
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  you
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  bring
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  to
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  the
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  table
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  that's
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  different?
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  And
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  I
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  think
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  that
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  is
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  when
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  people
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  find
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  a
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  hit
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  or
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  when
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  they
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  find
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  a
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  new
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  trend
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  or
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  they're
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  the
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  starter
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  of
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  a
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  new
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  trend,
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  or
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  just.
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  Just
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  breaking
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  that
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  box
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  is
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  a
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  big
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  challenge
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  in
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  music,
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  and
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  I
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  think
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  if
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  you
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  can
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  get
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  out
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  of
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  that,
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  it
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  makes
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  things
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  much
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  better.
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  So
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  I
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  guess
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  I
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  would
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  say
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  the
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  box
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  is
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  the
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  hardest
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  thing
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  to
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  overcome.
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  Yeah,
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  that
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  makes
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  sense.
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  Because
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  even
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  when
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  I've.
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  I've
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  tried
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  to
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  write
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  that,
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  like,
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  tried
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  to
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  sit
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  down
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  and
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  write
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  a
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  song,
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  it's
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  usually
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  trash,
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  because
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  I
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  do
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  try
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  to
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  find
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  myself
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  following
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  someone
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  else's,
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  like,
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  blueprint,
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  if
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  you
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  will,
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  and
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  just,
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  like,
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  thinking
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  I
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  can
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  make
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  my
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  own
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  version
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  of
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  a
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  particular
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  song,
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  which
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  usually
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  ends
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  up
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  just
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  frustrating
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  me
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  in
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  the
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  process.
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  But
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  can
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  you
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  kind
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  of
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  maybe
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  describe
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  your
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  process
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  for
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  writing
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  a
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  song?
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  Do
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  you
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  have
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  one?
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  Or
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  does
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  it
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  just
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  kind
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  of,
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  like,
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  come
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  to
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  you
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  and
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  you
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  just
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  capture
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  it
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  by
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  writing
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  it
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  down
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  or
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  recording
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  the
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  medley?
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  Like,
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  break
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  that.
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  It
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  changes.
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  Okay.
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  It
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  definitely
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  changes.
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  My
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  favorite
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  way
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  is
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  to
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  start
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  from
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  scratch
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  with
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  a
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  producer
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  in
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  the
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  room
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  or
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  a
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  musician,
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  whether
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  it's
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  a
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  guitar
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  player
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  or
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  piano
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  player,
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  and
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  just
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  start
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  from
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  nothing
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  and
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  experiment
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  with
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  sounds.
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  And
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  then
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  when
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  we
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  hear
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  a
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  sound
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  that
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  we
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  like,
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  we'll
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  start
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  with
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  that.
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  And
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  then
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  while
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  the
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  beat
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  is
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  being
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  created
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  by
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  the
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  producer,
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  I'm
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  usually
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  in
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  the
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  corner
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  writing
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  towards
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  the
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  beat
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  that's
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  being
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  created.
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  And
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  I
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  also
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  like
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  to
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  work
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  with
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  just
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  working
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  with
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  sounds
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  first.
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  So,
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  like,
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  I'll
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  record
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  myself
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  singing
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  anything.
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  It
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  might
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  not
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  make
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  sense,
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  but
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  it's
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  more
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  so
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  just
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  for
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  the
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  melody.
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  And
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  then
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  over
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  time,
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  I'll
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  put
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  lyrics
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  into
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  it
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  and
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  make
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  sense
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  out
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  of
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  what
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  my
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  subconscious
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  mind
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  is
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  trying
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  to
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  say.
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  And
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  that
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  is
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  my
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  favorite
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  way
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  of
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  writing.
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  And
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  I
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  find
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  some
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  of
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  my
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  deepest
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  songs
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  have
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  come
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  that
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  way
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  because
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  I'm
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  not
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  overthinking.
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  I'm
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  not
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  thinking
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  about,
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  like,
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  how
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  can
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  I
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  fit
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  this
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  all
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  in
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  one
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  verse
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  and
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  then
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  put
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  the
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  course
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  here?
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  And
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  then
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  where
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  does.
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  Like,
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  I'm
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  not.
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  I'm
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  not
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  focused
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  on
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  structure
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  as
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  much.
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  I'm
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  just
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  more
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  focused
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  on,
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  like,
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  where
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  the
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  music
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  is
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  leading
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  me.
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  And
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  I
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  think
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  that's
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  the
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  most
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  effective
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  way
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  I
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  found
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  writing
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  to
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  go
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  for
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  me.
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  So,
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  yeah,
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  that's
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  my
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  favorite
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  way.
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  But
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  it
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  really
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  changes.
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  Like,
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  I
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  know
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  some
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  people
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  will
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  tell
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  me
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  that
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  they
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  want
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  me
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  to
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  write
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  a
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  song
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  based
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  off
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  of
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  a
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  certain
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  topic.
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  I
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  was
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  just
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  gonna
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  ask.
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  Yeah,
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  or
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  they
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  might.
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  Or
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  they
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  have
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  a
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  Beat
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  in
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  the
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  top
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  that
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  they
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  want
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  you
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  to,
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  like,
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  put
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  some
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  lyrics
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  to,
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  maybe.
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  Yep,
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  absolutely.
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  I've.
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  I've
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  had
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  people
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  give
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  me
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  lyrics
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  that
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  they've
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  already
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  wrote.
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  Written.
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  Sorry.
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  And
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  then
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  they
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  want
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  melody
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  behind
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  it
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  or
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  they
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  just
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  need
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  help
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  making
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  it
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  fit
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  into
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  a
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  song.
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  Right.
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  Or
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  turning
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  a
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  poem
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  into
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  a
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  song.
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  There's
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  so
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  many
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  ways
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  we
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  can
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  do
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  it.
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  But
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  my
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  favorite
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  way
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  is
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  definitely
• 3:18
  starting
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  from
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  scratch
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  with
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  nothing.
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  And
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  with
• 3:21
  nothing,
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  do
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  you
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  go
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  straight
• 3:23
  to,
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  like,
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  a
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  verse
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  or
• 3:24
  a
• 3:24
  chorus?
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  Do
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  you
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  write
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  the
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  chorus
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  or
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  the
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  verse
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  first?
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  Whatever
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  happens.
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  Yeah,
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  I'm
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  that
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  guy.
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  Yeah,
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  I'm
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  that
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  guy
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  that
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  doesn't,
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  like,
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  rules.
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  When
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  I
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  was
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  growing
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  up,
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  a
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  lot
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  of
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  what
• 3:39
  I
• 3:39
  learned
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  was.
• 3:40
  Was
• 3:41
  structure.
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  And
• 3:41
  I
• 3:41
  think
• 3:42
  it's
• 3:42
  still
• 3:42
  important
• 3:42
  to
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  know
• 3:43
  what.
• 3:44
  What
• 3:44
  structure
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  is
• 3:45
  and.
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  And
• 3:46
  how
• 3:47
  to
• 3:47
  go
• 3:47
  about
• 3:47
  that.
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  Especially
• 3:48
  when
• 3:48
  I
• 3:48
  started
• 3:49
  trying
• 3:50
  to
• 3:50
  write
• 3:51
  songs
• 3:52
  outside
• 3:52
  of
• 3:52
  just
• 3:53
  gospel.
• 3:53
  So
• 3:53
  if
• 3:53
  it
• 3:54
  was
• 3:54
  a
• 3:54
  pop
• 3:54
  song,
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  I
• 3:55
  knew
• 3:55
  that
• 3:55
  there
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  was
• 3:56
  a
• 3:56
  certain
• 3:57
  way
• 3:57
  you
• 3:57
  had
• 3:57
  to
• 3:58
  structure
• 3:58
  it.
• 3:58
  Verse,
• 3:59
  chords,
• 3:59
  verse,
• 3:59
  chorus,
• 4:00
  bridge
• 4:00
  out.
• 4:01
  Like,
• 4:01
  you
• 4:01
  know,
• 4:03
  but
• 4:03
  now
• 4:04
  I'm
• 4:04
  like,
• 4:04
  I
• 4:05
  love
• 4:05
  that.
• 4:05
  I
• 4:05
  love
• 4:06
  that
• 4:06
  things
• 4:06
  are
• 4:06
  changing
• 4:07
  now
• 4:07
  and
• 4:08
  people
• 4:08
  are
• 4:08
  not
• 4:08
  following
• 4:09
  structures.
• 4:09
  And
• 4:10
  it's
• 4:10
  more
• 4:10
  so
• 4:10
  about
• 4:10
  the
• 4:11
  feeling.
• 4:12
  It
• 4:13
  might
• 4:13
  be
• 4:13
  like
• 4:13
  just
• 4:14
  a
• 4:14
  chorus
• 4:14
  and
• 4:15
  an
• 4:15
  outro,
• 4:16
  and
• 4:16
  that's
• 4:16
  the
• 4:16
  entire
• 4:17
  song.
• 4:17
  Like,
• 4:18
  you
• 4:18
  know,
• 4:18
  but
• 4:18
  as
• 4:19
  long
• 4:19
  as
• 4:19
  it
• 4:19
  feels
• 4:19
  right,
• 4:20
  that's
• 4:20
  most
• 4:20
  important.
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  Oh,
• 4:22
  that's
• 4:22
  my
• 4:22
  opinion.
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  No,
• 4:23
  for
• 4:23
  sure.
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  But
• 4:25
  with
• 4:26
  your
• 4:26
  right.
• 4:26
  How
• 4:26
  do
• 4:26
  you
• 4:27
  know
• 4:27
  when
• 4:28
  your
• 4:28
  song
• 4:28
  is
• 4:29
  actually
• 4:29
  finished,
• 4:30
  though?
• 4:30
  When
• 4:30
  do
• 4:30
  you
• 4:31
  feel
• 4:31
  like,
• 4:31
  okay,
• 4:32
  I've
• 4:32
  got
• 4:32
  it.
• 4:32
  I've
• 4:33
  nailed
• 4:33
  it.
• 4:33
  I'm
• 4:33
  not
• 4:34
  doing
• 4:34
  another
• 4:34
  single
• 4:35
  thing
• 4:35
  to
• 4:35
  it.
• 4:35
  When
• 4:36
  do
• 4:36
  you
• 4:36
  know,
• 4:36
  do
• 4:37
  you
• 4:37
  just
• 4:37
  feel
• 4:37
  it?
• 4:37
  Or
• 4:38
  does
• 4:38
  it
• 4:38
  just
• 4:39
  like.
• 4:39
  So
• 4:39
  that's
• 4:40
  X.
• 4:40
  That's
• 4:41
  actually
• 4:41
  tricky
• 4:42
  because
• 4:43
  I
• 4:44
  feel
• 4:44
  like
• 4:45
  we're
• 4:45
  never
• 4:46
  100%
• 4:47
  satisfied.
• 4:48
  Like,
• 4:48
  we're
• 4:48
  always
• 4:48
  going
• 4:48
  to
• 4:49
  hear
• 4:49
  something
• 4:50
  we
• 4:51
  could
• 4:51
  have
• 4:51
  done
• 4:51
  different
• 4:52
  or.
• 4:53
  And
• 4:53
  because
• 4:53
  we're.
• 4:54
  We're
• 4:54
  constantly
• 4:54
  evolving,
• 4:55
  right?
• 4:55
  So
• 4:56
  what
• 4:56
  I
• 4:57
  write
• 4:57
  this
• 4:57
  year
• 4:58
  might
• 4:58
  not
• 4:58
  be
• 4:58
  good
• 4:58
  enough
• 4:59
  for
• 4:59
  me
• 4:59
  next
• 4:59
  year.
• 4:59
  So
• 5:00
  I
• 5:00
  might
• 5:00
  listen
• 5:00
  back
• 5:00
  to
• 5:01
  it
• 5:01
  and
• 5:01
  be
• 5:01
  like,
• 5:01
  oh,
• 5:01
  man,
• 5:02
  I
• 5:02
  would
• 5:02
  have
• 5:02
  done
• 5:02
  this
• 5:03
  or
• 5:03
  that.
• 5:04
  But
• 5:04
  what
• 5:04
  I
• 5:04
  find
• 5:05
  for
• 5:06
  me,
• 5:06
  when
• 5:06
  I
• 5:06
  feel
• 5:07
  like
• 5:07
  it's
• 5:07
  okay
• 5:08
  to
• 5:08
  put
• 5:08
  out
• 5:08
  is
• 5:09
  when
• 5:09
  I
• 5:09
  play
• 5:09
  it
• 5:09
  for
• 5:10
  other
• 5:10
  people.
• 5:10
  And
• 5:11
  I
• 5:11
  don't
• 5:11
  have
• 5:11
  disclaimers.
• 5:13
  So,
• 5:14
  like,
• 5:15
  a
• 5:15
  lot
• 5:15
  of
• 5:15
  times
• 5:16
  we'll
• 5:16
  play
• 5:16
  our
• 5:16
  music
• 5:17
  for
• 5:17
  people,
• 5:17
  and
• 5:17
  when
• 5:18
  it's
• 5:18
  playing,
• 5:19
  we
• 5:19
  find
• 5:19
  ourselves
• 5:20
  saying
• 5:20
  stuff
• 5:20
  like,
• 5:20
  okay,
• 5:21
  keep
• 5:21
  in
• 5:21
  mind
• 5:21
  it's
• 5:22
  not
• 5:22
  mixed.
• 5:22
  And,
• 5:23
  you
• 5:23
  know,
• 5:24
  like,
• 5:24
  I'm
• 5:24
  gonna
• 5:24
  add
• 5:25
  some
• 5:25
  harmonies.
• 5:25
  Oh,
• 5:26
  and
• 5:26
  I'm
• 5:26
  gonna
• 5:26
  change
• 5:26
  some
• 5:27
  of
• 5:27
  the
• 5:27
  verses.
• 5:27
  And
• 5:28
  don't
• 5:28
  worry
• 5:28
  about
• 5:29
  it.
• 5:29
  That
• 5:29
  lyric
• 5:30
  is
• 5:30
  not
• 5:30
  gonna
• 5:30
  stay
• 5:30
  there.
• 5:31
  Whereas
• 5:31
  before
• 5:32
  we
• 5:32
  even
• 5:32
  started
• 5:33
  playing
• 5:33
  the
• 5:33
  music,
• 5:33
  we
• 5:34
  thought
• 5:34
  it
• 5:34
  was
• 5:34
  good.
• 5:36
  So.
• 5:37
  So
• 5:37
  when
• 5:37
  I
• 5:37
  find
• 5:37
  myself
• 5:38
  doing
• 5:38
  that,
• 5:38
  I'm
• 5:38
  like,
• 5:38
  no,
• 5:39
  go
• 5:39
  back
• 5:39
  to
• 5:39
  the
• 5:39
  drawing
• 5:40
  board.
• 5:40
  It's
• 5:40
  not
• 5:40
  finished.
• 5:41
  But
• 5:41
  when
• 5:42
  I
• 5:42
  play
• 5:42
  it
• 5:42
  for
• 5:42
  somebody
• 5:43
  and
• 5:43
  I'm
• 5:43
  very
• 5:43
  confident
• 5:44
  in
• 5:44
  what
• 5:45
  I'm
• 5:45
  playing
• 5:45
  for
• 5:45
  them,
• 5:46
  that's
• 5:46
  how
• 5:46
  I
• 5:47
  know
• 5:47
  I'm
• 5:47
  ready
• 5:47
  to
• 5:47
  put
• 5:48
  it
• 5:48
  out.
• 5:49
  No,
• 5:50
  that
• 5:50
  makes
• 5:50
  sense.
• 5:50
  I.
• 5:51
  I
• 5:52
  always
• 5:52
  wondered
• 5:52
  that,
• 5:53
  like,
• 5:53
  how
• 5:53
  an
• 5:54
  accomplished
• 5:54
  songwriter
• 5:55
  has
• 5:55
  done
• 5:55
  it
• 5:55
  way
• 5:55
  more
• 5:55
  than
• 5:56
  just
• 5:56
  like,
• 5:56
  a
• 5:56
  couple
• 5:57
  times,
• 5:57
  like,
• 5:58
  when
• 5:58
  do
• 5:58
  you
• 5:58
  know
• 5:59
  song
• 5:59
  is
• 6:00
  actually
• 6:00
  finished?
• 6:01
  And
• 6:01
  I
• 6:01
  guess
• 6:01
  it's
• 6:01
  good
• 6:02
  to
• 6:02
  know
• 6:02
  that
• 6:03
  you
• 6:03
  guys
• 6:03
  torment
• 6:03
  yourselves
• 6:04
  as
• 6:04
  well.
• 6:05
  As.
• 6:05
  I'm
• 6:05
  sure
• 6:06
  he's
• 6:06
  like,
• 6:07
  myself
• 6:07
  will
• 6:07
  just
• 6:08
  like,
• 6:08
  we
• 6:08
  never
• 6:08
  know
• 6:09
  when
• 6:09
  it's
• 6:09
  actually
• 6:10
  done
• 6:10
  and
• 6:10
  we
• 6:11
  put
• 6:11
  it
• 6:11
  out
• 6:11
  there
• 6:11
  and
• 6:11
  go,
• 6:11
  okay,
• 6:12
  if
• 6:12
  they
• 6:12
  like
• 6:12
  it,
• 6:12
  I'm
• 6:12
  just.
• 6:12
  I'm
• 6:13
  not
• 6:13
  gonna
• 6:13
  bother
• 6:13
  anymore.
• 6:14
  Yeah.
• 6:15
  Like.
• 6:15
  But
• 6:15
  it
• 6:15
  is
• 6:16
  important
• 6:16
  to
• 6:17
  have
• 6:18
  a
• 6:18
  few.
• 6:18
  A
• 6:18
  few
• 6:18
  people
• 6:19
  in
• 6:19
  your
• 6:19
  corner
• 6:19
  that,
• 6:20
  you
• 6:20
  know,
• 6:20
  you
• 6:20
  can
• 6:20
  try.
• 6:21
  I
• 6:21
  call
• 6:21
  them
• 6:22
  my
• 6:22
  trusted
• 6:22
  ears
• 6:24
  because
• 6:25
  they're
• 6:26
  gonna
• 6:26
  be
• 6:26
  super
• 6:26
  honest
• 6:27
  with
• 6:27
  you,
• 6:27
  and
• 6:27
  they're
• 6:27
  gonna
• 6:28
  show
• 6:28
  you.
• 6:28
  They're
• 6:29
  gonna
• 6:29
  give
• 6:30
  you
• 6:30
  feedback
• 6:31
  based
• 6:31
  off
• 6:31
  of
• 6:32
  things
• 6:32
  you
• 6:33
  might
• 6:33
  not
• 6:33
  think
• 6:34
  about,
• 6:34
  or
• 6:34
  they're
• 6:34
  gonna
• 6:35
  hear
• 6:35
  things
• 6:35
  that
• 6:35
  you
• 6:35
  didn't
• 6:36
  hear
• 6:36
  because
• 6:37
  you
• 6:37
  have
• 6:37
  to
• 6:37
  step
• 6:37
  outside
• 6:38
  of
• 6:38
  yourself
• 6:39
  because
• 6:39
  you
• 6:39
  wrote
• 6:39
  it.
• 6:40
  Right.
• 6:40
  So
• 6:42
  if
• 6:43
  they.
• 6:43
  And
• 6:44
  I
• 6:44
  take
• 6:45
  what
• 6:45
  they
• 6:45
  say
• 6:45
  with
• 6:46
  a
• 6:46
  grain
• 6:46
  of
• 6:46
  salt
• 6:46
  as
• 6:47
  well,
• 6:47
  because
• 6:47
  if
• 6:48
  we're
• 6:48
  trying
• 6:48
  to
• 6:48
  start
• 6:50
  something
• 6:51
  new
• 6:51
  and
• 6:51
  do
• 6:51
  something
• 6:52
  that's
• 6:52
  not
• 6:52
  been.
• 6:53
  That's
• 6:53
  never
• 6:53
  been
• 6:54
  done
• 6:54
  before,
• 6:55
  you
• 6:55
  are
• 6:55
  going
• 6:56
  to
• 6:56
  have
• 6:56
  people
• 6:56
  who
• 6:56
  say,
• 6:56
  like,
• 6:57
  what
• 6:57
  is
• 6:57
  that?
• 6:57
  That's
• 6:58
  trash.
• 6:58
  But
• 6:58
  it's
• 6:59
  because
• 6:59
  they're
• 6:59
  not
• 7:00
  familiar
• 7:00
  with
• 7:00
  it.
• 7:01
  Right.
• 7:01
  So
• 7:02
  you
• 7:02
  do
• 7:02
  have
• 7:02
  to
• 7:02
  trust
• 7:03
  yourself
• 7:03
  to
• 7:04
  some
• 7:04
  point,
• 7:05
  but
• 7:06
  at
• 7:07
  the
• 7:07
  same
• 7:07
  time,
• 7:07
  like,
• 7:08
  you
• 7:08
  know
• 7:08
  that
• 7:09
  you
• 7:09
  kind
• 7:09
  of
• 7:10
  want
• 7:10
  to
• 7:10
  hear
• 7:10
  their
• 7:10
  feedback
• 7:11
  on
• 7:11
  it
• 7:11
  just
• 7:11
  in
• 7:12
  case
• 7:12
  they
• 7:12
  do
• 7:12
  have
• 7:12
  a
• 7:12
  point
• 7:13
  and
• 7:13
  raise
• 7:13
  something
• 7:14
  that
• 7:14
  you
• 7:15
  didn't
• 7:15
  think
• 7:15
  about.
• 7:18
  I
• 7:18
  know
• 7:18
  in
• 7:18
  a
• 7:18
  lot
• 7:18
  of.
• 7:19
  A
• 7:19
  lot
• 7:19
  of
• 7:19
  musicians,
• 7:20
  especially
• 7:21
  people
• 7:22
  who
• 7:22
  grew
• 7:22
  up
• 7:23
  with
• 7:23
  the
• 7:23
  church
• 7:23
  background,
• 7:24
  you
• 7:24
  kind
• 7:24
  of
• 7:25
  end
• 7:25
  up
• 7:25
  getting
• 7:25
  two
• 7:26
  schools.
• 7:26
  So,
• 7:26
  I
• 7:26
  mean,
• 7:27
  there's
• 7:27
  a
• 7:27
  lot
• 7:27
  of
• 7:27
  guys
• 7:28
  who.
• 7:29
  And
• 7:29
  girls
• 7:29
  who
• 7:29
  have
• 7:30
  grown
• 7:30
  up
• 7:30
  strictly
• 7:31
  in
• 7:31
  church
• 7:31
  and
• 7:31
  have
• 7:31
  a
• 7:31
  whole
• 7:32
  lifetime
• 7:32
  of
• 7:32
  music
• 7:33
  experience.
• 7:34
  And
• 7:34
  then
• 7:34
  there's
• 7:34
  others
• 7:35
  who
• 7:35
  went
• 7:35
  to
• 7:35
  school
• 7:35
  and
• 7:36
  had
• 7:36
  other
• 7:36
  formal
• 7:37
  training.
• 7:37
  Where
• 7:38
  do
• 7:38
  you
• 7:38
  fall
• 7:38
  into
• 7:39
  that?
• 7:39
  Did
• 7:39
  you
• 7:39
  have
• 7:39
  formal
• 7:40
  training
• 7:40
  as
• 7:40
  well,
• 7:41
  or.
• 7:43
  I
• 7:43
  didn't
• 7:43
  have
• 7:43
  formal
• 7:44
  training,
• 7:44
  but
• 7:45
  I
• 7:45
  was
• 7:45
  fortunate
• 7:47
  to
• 7:47
  learn
• 7:48
  under
• 7:48
  people
• 7:49
  who
• 7:49
  did,
• 7:50
  so.
• 7:51
  Which
• 7:51
  counts.
• 7:52
  Yeah,
• 7:53
  so.
• 7:53
  Yeah,
• 7:53
  I
• 7:54
  guess
• 7:54
  so,
• 7:54
  but.
• 7:55
  So
• 7:55
  I
• 7:55
  didn't
• 7:55
  actually
• 7:56
  go
• 7:56
  to
• 7:57
  school
• 7:58
  for
• 7:58
  music,
• 7:59
  but
• 8:00
  I
• 8:00
  did
• 8:00
  study
• 8:00
  music
• 8:01
  through
• 8:01
  other
• 8:02
  people
• 8:02
  and
• 8:02
  like,
• 8:03
  some
• 8:03
  of
• 8:03
  the
• 8:03
  biggest
• 8:04
  trainers
• 8:05
  out
• 8:05
  there,
• 8:06
  Right.
• 8:06
  So
• 8:07
  people
• 8:08
  training
• 8:08
  me
• 8:08
  when
• 8:08
  I
• 8:08
  was
• 8:09
  doing
• 8:10
  competitions
• 8:10
  in
• 8:11
  church,
• 8:11
  they
• 8:11
  were
• 8:12
  in
• 8:12
  Humber
• 8:12
  for
• 8:13
  music
• 8:13
  and
• 8:14
  teaching
• 8:14
  me
• 8:14
  every
• 8:15
  last
• 8:16
  thing
• 8:16
  they
• 8:16
  learned,
• 8:17
  you
• 8:17
  know,
• 8:17
  about
• 8:17
  vibrato
• 8:18
  and
• 8:19
  scales
• 8:20
  and
• 8:21
  music
• 8:21
  terminologies
• 8:22
  and
• 8:23
  the
• 8:23
  technical
• 8:24
  side
• 8:24
  of
• 8:24
  things
• 8:25
  and
• 8:25
  whatever.
• 8:25
  So
• 8:26
  I
• 8:26
  was
• 8:27
  learning
• 8:27
  those
• 8:27
  things
• 8:27
  at
• 8:27
  a
• 8:28
  very
• 8:28
  young
• 8:28
  age
• 8:28
  and
• 8:29
  did
• 8:30
  think
• 8:30
  about
• 8:30
  it
• 8:30
  when
• 8:31
  I
• 8:31
  was
• 8:31
  older,
• 8:31
  but
• 8:32
  I
• 8:32
  got
• 8:32
  a
• 8:32
  lot
• 8:33
  of
• 8:33
  advice
• 8:34
  from
• 8:35
  people
• 8:35
  that
• 8:36
  were
• 8:36
  in
• 8:36
  school
• 8:36
  and
• 8:37
  people
• 8:37
  that
• 8:37
  did
• 8:37
  graduate
• 8:38
  from
• 8:38
  music
• 8:39
  school,
• 8:39
  and
• 8:39
  they
• 8:39
  were
• 8:40
  like,
• 8:40
  honestly,
• 8:41
  Navon,
• 8:41
  you're
• 8:42
  doing
• 8:42
  it
• 8:42
  already,
• 8:43
  so
• 8:44
  if
• 8:44
  you
• 8:44
  want
• 8:44
  to
• 8:44
  learn
• 8:45
  things
• 8:45
  and
• 8:45
  take
• 8:46
  little
• 8:46
  courses
• 8:46
  here
• 8:47
  and
• 8:47
  there,
• 8:47
  then
• 8:47
  absolutely.
• 8:49
  But
• 8:50
  I
• 8:50
  got
• 8:50
  a
• 8:51
  lot
• 8:51
  of
• 8:51
  advice
• 8:52
  that
• 8:53
  probably
• 8:53
  not
• 8:53
  the
• 8:53
  best
• 8:54
  thing
• 8:54
  for
• 8:54
  me
• 8:54
  to
• 8:55
  spend
• 8:56
  my
• 8:56
  money
• 8:56
  on
• 8:56
  four
• 8:57
  years
• 8:57
  of
• 8:57
  stuff
• 8:58
  that
• 8:58
  I
• 8:58
  pretty
• 8:59
  much
• 8:59
  knew
• 9:00
  and
• 9:01
  we're
• 9:01
  already
• 9:01
  doing.
• 9:02
  I
• 9:02
  was
• 9:02
  traveling
• 9:02
  the
• 9:03
  world
• 9:04
  doing
• 9:04
  all
• 9:04
  of
• 9:04
  that
• 9:05
  stuff
• 9:05
  already.
• 9:05
  And
• 9:06
  usually
• 9:07
  people
• 9:08
  go
• 9:08
  to
• 9:08
  school
• 9:09
  in
• 9:09
  hopes
• 9:09
  that
• 9:10
  that
• 9:10
  is
• 9:10
  exactly
• 9:11
  the
• 9:11
  outcome,
• 9:12
  Right?
• 9:12
  So.
• 9:13
  Yeah,
• 9:14
  exactly.
• 9:15
  That's.
• 9:15
  That's.
• 9:16
  That's
• 9:16
  amazing.
• 9:17
  I
• 9:17
  mean,
• 9:17
  you've.
• 9:18
  You've
• 9:18
  reached
• 9:19
  levels
• 9:19
  that
• 9:19
  most
• 9:19
  only
• 9:20
  dream
• 9:20
  of,
• 9:20
  and
• 9:21
  you're
• 9:21
  still
• 9:21
  going.
• 9:22
  Yeah.
• 9:23
  And
• 9:23
  I
• 9:23
  do
• 9:23
  want
• 9:23
  to
• 9:23
  say.
• 9:24
  I
• 9:24
  do
• 9:25
  want
• 9:25
  to
• 9:25
  say,
• 9:25
  though,
• 9:25
  that
• 9:27
  education
• 9:28
  is
• 9:29
  still
• 9:29
  good.
• 9:30
  So
• 9:30
  although
• 9:30
  I
• 9:31
  didn't
• 9:31
  go
• 9:31
  to
• 9:32
  school
• 9:33
  for
• 9:33
  music,
• 9:33
  I
• 9:33
  was
• 9:34
  in
• 9:34
  school
• 9:34
  for
• 9:35
  music
• 9:35
  on
• 9:35
  my
• 9:35
  own
• 9:36
  because
• 9:36
  I
• 9:36
  was
• 9:37
  reading
• 9:37
  up
• 9:38
  on
• 9:39
  things
• 9:39
  about
• 9:39
  the
• 9:40
  voice
• 9:40
  or
• 9:40
  learning
• 9:41
  about
• 9:41
  harmony
• 9:42
  online
• 9:42
  or
• 9:43
  what.
• 9:43
  Just
• 9:43
  whatever
• 9:44
  it
• 9:44
  is.
• 9:44
  Anything
• 9:45
  I
• 9:45
  can
• 9:45
  do
• 9:45
  to
• 9:46
  educate
• 9:47
  myself
• 9:47
  on
• 9:48
  music
• 9:48
  more,
• 9:48
  I
• 9:49
  was
• 9:49
  doing
• 9:49
  it.
• 9:50
  So,
• 9:50
  yeah,
• 9:51
  it
• 9:51
  is
• 9:51
  important
• 9:52
  to
• 9:52
  learn,
• 9:52
  but
• 9:52
  it
• 9:53
  sometimes
• 9:53
  looks
• 9:54
  different
• 9:54
  depending
• 9:54
  on
• 9:54
  the
• 9:55
  individual.
• 9:57
  No,
• 9:58
  for
• 9:58
  sure.