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Super Tuesdays - Democrats Should Be Headed For A Blue Wave Election… But Their Brand STINKS · The Chuck ToddCast

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  Speaker 1: There are eighty four days left until the twenty twenty
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  Speaker 1: six minus terms elections. I am still Crystal Heat is
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  Speaker 1: still Chuck Todd, Chuck, let's start on this.
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  Speaker 2: And I didn't breathe for nine people where they are, man,
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  Speaker 2: Welcome to Super Tuesday. We did it, you know, Tuesday,
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  Speaker 2: exactly Tuesday. And you know, I'm going to steal a
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  Speaker 2: slogan that I created for other entities that I don't
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  Speaker 2: think they use the slogan, so it's mine, which is
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  Speaker 2: if it's Tuesday, somebody's voting somewhere. I love it. It's
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  Speaker 2: my favorite pretty much every Tuesday. That is true this Tuesday.
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  Speaker 2: We have a lot of somewhere anyway.
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  Speaker 1: Yes, So we have a bunch of states and we
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  Speaker 1: will we'll give you a little preview Tuesday night, Chuck,
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  Speaker 1: myself and the decision deskk Q people, just like on
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  Speaker 1: every big primary night.
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  Speaker 2: We will be there.
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  Speaker 1: We've got the two biggest, maybe three biggest Wisconsin gubernatorial primaries.
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  Speaker 1: We've got the Minnesota at Senate primary on the Democratic
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  Speaker 1: side and the South Carolina special Republican primary where Lindsay Delate,
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  Speaker 1: Lindsay Graham's sister who's the appointed senator who is Donald trump'sendorsement.
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  Speaker 2: So there's more. Yeah, I mean there's a completion in
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  Speaker 2: Connecticut primary, Connecticut US primary where Jeff Harrison is a
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  Speaker 2: long time sitting incumbent. Generation that generational fight. So we
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  Speaker 2: will be.
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  Speaker 1: Live on YouTube, on our Twitter feeds, on sub stacks.
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  Speaker 1: You can find it pretty much anywhere. But yes, you
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  Speaker 1: were watching Super Tuesday, so chuck eighty four days and
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  Speaker 1: I didn't prep you for this, but I wanted to
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  Speaker 1: get because I wanted to get your Yeah, I wanted
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  Speaker 1: to get your kind of first reaction. What is your
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  Speaker 1: I hate the word hottest take because it's pejordaive. It's
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  Speaker 1: seen as pejortaive. I don't view it that way. But
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  Speaker 1: what is your, if not hottest take? What's the thing
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  Speaker 1: that not everyone is saying that you think is gonna
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  Speaker 1: be true in twelve weeks?
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  Speaker 2: Like what what do you what? What's that?
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  Speaker 1: What's out there? And I know I'm putting you on
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  Speaker 1: the spot if that's why you got a big brain?
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  Speaker 2: No, but that's and it's one of those like, you know,
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  Speaker 2: we have a bad habit of I thought everybody already
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  Speaker 2: knew that already, right, and people what you know, and
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  Speaker 2: that happens quite a bit. Look, I have found the
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  Speaker 2: summer to be you know, it's interesting the Democrats haven't
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  Speaker 2: had a good summer, but the Republicans have had a
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  Speaker 2: worse summer. Agreed. And you know, instead of saying when
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  Speaker 2: I'm pretty you know, the only reason I'm not saying
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  Speaker 2: that this is going to be a pasting, okay, is
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  Speaker 2: because of that Democratic brand problem. Right. It's like everything
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  Speaker 2: if you just if you just took away the sort
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  Speaker 2: of the the the intra party dynamics that are truly
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  Speaker 2: sort of you know, having are taking up probably too
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  Speaker 2: much attention. Certainly if you're a game Jeffreys and Chuck Schumer,
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  Speaker 2: you think it's having taking up too much engine. But
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  Speaker 2: you know, if not for that, you'd be sitting here.
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  Speaker 2: I mean, Donald Trump is making this harder every day
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  Speaker 2: on his party, right, And the Senate was a debacle.
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  Speaker 2: This session of Congress was a debacle. They've done nothing
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  Speaker 2: to make the case for reelection. They themselves kind of
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  Speaker 2: know it. So it's one of those things when you
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  Speaker 2: look at this at a macro level, you're like, this
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  Speaker 2: is not going to be close. This is more likely
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  Speaker 2: to be thirty house seats six or seven Senate seats,
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  Speaker 2: and then you start to look at it individually, you're like, wow,
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  Speaker 2: you know, totally, they got some crappy candidates over here.
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  Speaker 2: This is a mess over here. Maybe they remapped it
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  Speaker 2: just right there, like it's it's like every intangible favors
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  Speaker 2: Republicans and all of the macro trends favor of the Democrats. Right,
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  Speaker 2: that's little And so I know what the what history
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  Speaker 2: tells you is that the small stuff doesn't matter in waveyears, right,
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  Speaker 2: that the small little things we're.
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  Speaker 1: Talking about, it literally gets overwhelmed by the.
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  Speaker 2: Way right it is. Do I think a'bdu al lsied
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  Speaker 2: is going to perform two to four points worse than
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  Speaker 2: Haley Stevens would I do? Will it matter? I don't know,
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  Speaker 2: I don't I am leaning towards it may not matter, right,
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  Speaker 2: Like you know, I think this Minnesota primary in theory
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  Speaker 2: is a big deal. I'm not sure in this political
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  Speaker 2: environment it matters who the Democratic nominee is. I think
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  Speaker 2: either one of them wins in this environment. Now, if
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  Speaker 2: this had been twenty twenty two, you'd be like, ooh,
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  Speaker 2: you know, Peggy Flanagan may be more vulnerable than an
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  Speaker 2: age Craig. I don't think there's really a distinction eyes cycle.
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  Speaker 2: It's because of just the macro trends, right, the macro.
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  Speaker 2: The macro trends here are so bad. There's a combination
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  Speaker 2: of Mega's going to sit home, right, there's the Independence
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  Speaker 2: are just disgusted by what they see from Trump and
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  Speaker 2: the right. The problem is what is what is the
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  Speaker 2: rationale for the Democrats to have power? And I don't
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  Speaker 2: think they've given a great rationale to get power. So
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  Speaker 2: yet I.
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  Speaker 1: Wrote a thing on substack yesterday. You know Hillary Clinton.
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  Speaker 1: I thought this was fascinating. She occasionally kind of pops
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  Speaker 1: up Hillary Clinton. She doesn't do a ton, but she
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  Speaker 1: was on Karas Swisher and Scott Galloway's podcast and she
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  Speaker 1: said Kara Swisher asked her about the socialism communism attack,
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  Speaker 1: and she said, I think it could be very effective
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  Speaker 1: against Democrats. So I just went digging and I just
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  Speaker 1: want to pull on this string. This is let me
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  Speaker 1: see if I can share this. I'm pretty sure I can.
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  Speaker 1: I want to make sure you can see this in
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  Speaker 1: addition to everybody, but this is fifty plus one, which
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  Speaker 1: is a substack that does polling aggregation. Democratic Party favorables.
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  Speaker 1: This is to your point that I just want to
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  Speaker 1: pull on this a little bit. Like we know Donald
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  Speaker 1: Trump is unpopular, the Republican Party is unpopular, and yet
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  Speaker 1: look at this, Chuck, it's thirty eight percent fifty four.
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  Speaker 2: That's what it was in eighteen. Tell me, I'm pretty
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  Speaker 2: sure it was closer to one to one. Right, I
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  Speaker 2: know it water by sixteen. Correct. The biggest difference between
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  Speaker 2: this midterm and the eighteen midterm is the perception of
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  Speaker 2: the Democratic Party. Now here's what you know what's funny,
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  Speaker 2: and we watched this in wave years, is that the
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  Speaker 2: party that's playing defense will be convinced that there is
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  Speaker 2: a there is a power to it to survive. Right.
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  Speaker 2: It may be the election denihialism, Right is what are dobbs,
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  Speaker 2: which is what Democrats counted on in twenty two. And
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  Speaker 2: there were a few examples where yeah, it's because of
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  Speaker 2: dobbs that they survived that one, or it's because of
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  Speaker 2: it's because of a bad Republican nominee that they were
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  Speaker 2: able to survive that one. I have a feeling that
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  Speaker 2: you're going to see a lot of Republicans run on
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  Speaker 2: socialism and communism, right. I think that's right, and it
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  Speaker 2: all depends on it will succeed somewhere. It's not going
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  Speaker 2: to succeed in most places, SOBA does succeed in a
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  Speaker 2: place where there's already a candidate that there's questions about,
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  Speaker 2: right like, So, I mean this is what makes both
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  Speaker 2: potentially Francesca hang and Wisconsin and Abdul lsied in Wisconsin.
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  Speaker 2: Those are both winnable races by being as far to
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  Speaker 2: the left as they are, but they're also losable races total,
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  Speaker 2: which in a neutral environment, you know with neutral candidates
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  Speaker 2: that Democrats generically should win by five or six. So
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  Speaker 2: you know, it's all about where does it happen. Where
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  Speaker 2: does the socialism slash communism messaging work? If it works
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  Speaker 2: in a Wisconsin or Michigan, the whole National Party may
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  Speaker 2: have a freak out. If it works, say it's what
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  Speaker 2: got Paxston over the finish line against Talariico, but Democrats
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  Speaker 2: held serve in Wisconsin and Michigan. I don't know if
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  Speaker 2: it's worth freaking out about, right like, I think it
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  Speaker 2: depends on I agree with Clinton in that it could
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  Speaker 2: be a problem, And it's the question is does it
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  Speaker 2: where does it cost them a winnable race, and is
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  Speaker 2: that a place that Democrats have to be winning in
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  Speaker 2: twenty eight or is it a luxury place Texas? Whatever
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  Speaker 2: you want to think is a luxury, it's a luxury.
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  Speaker 1: I go back and forth because I do think there's
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  Speaker 1: an element of this where it's like, you know, any
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  Speaker 1: port in a storm. To your point, it's like, yeah,
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  Speaker 1: if you're a Republican, you're like, okay, well, gas prices
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  Speaker 1: are too high. People don't like the economy, people don't
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  Speaker 1: like Trump, people don't like us.
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  Speaker 2: It's like, ah, communism.
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  Speaker 1: But I wanted to ask you this because I wasn't
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  Speaker 1: sure where I landed on this. So right around kind
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  Speaker 1: of like Trump is during once Kamala becomes a nominie
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  Speaker 1: in twenty twenty four, he's throwing a bunch of stuff
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  Speaker 1: at her, you know, like trying to see what works right,
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  Speaker 1: which is what he does, and he he latches on
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  Speaker 1: and kind of like right around Labor Day with the
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  Speaker 1: like comrade Kamala right, and he runs with that.
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  Speaker 2: Now that's I guess. Is it's the alliteration that Suckerman
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  Speaker 2: makes sometimes, Yes, it does. Well, this was my question.
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  Speaker 2: Is he sticks with it? It's not the only thing
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  Speaker 2: he sticked.
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  Speaker 1: You know, obviously they talk about trans stuff and her
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  Speaker 1: prison you know, give prisoners gender assignment surgery, blah blah
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  Speaker 1: blah blah blah. But I do think if somebody asked
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  Speaker 1: me today, do you think that stuff the comrade Kamala
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  Speaker 1: she's a communist, she's from California and blah blah blah.
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  Speaker 1: Did that help Trump? I think I would say yes. Now,
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  Speaker 1: I don't know if it won him the election, but
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  Speaker 1: I think it helped define her as kind of like
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  Speaker 1: other It.
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  Speaker 2: Was more of a choice. It was more a choice
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  Speaker 2: between him and her, And.
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  Speaker 1: So that's what I wonder is like it did kind
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  Speaker 1: of work there. I think Hillary Clinton is pretty smart politically,
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  Speaker 1: so I take her warning. And so I don't know.
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  Speaker 1: I literally, I literally don't know. The answer is like,
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  Speaker 1: could it be a thing that could work in Pennsylvania
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  Speaker 1: swing district, Florida swing district, California? No, you think not.
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  Speaker 1: I think I think you have to.
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  Speaker 2: Have a candidate who already has branding issues for it
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  Speaker 2: to work, Okay, right, like you already. It has to
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  Speaker 2: be both. I think, you know, the attack has to
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  Speaker 2: feel believable, Like why did it work with her? Well, huh,
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  Speaker 2: she did grow up in Berkeley and both of her
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  Speaker 2: parents were professors, and like there was this it was
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  Speaker 2: it was painting a picture that Hey, what they really
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  Speaker 2: were trying to tell you is that she's one of
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  Speaker 2: these elite San Francisco liberals, Bay Area liberals. You know
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  Speaker 2: who they are, Berkeley, you know who those people are, right.
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  Speaker 1: Right, she's so California.
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  Speaker 2: Right. Can you sit there and say, ah, that cost
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  Speaker 2: her that congressional r. It's hard, obviously it's hard, but
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  Speaker 2: it does. Look we all know this. It only works
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  Speaker 2: if there's already a seed that has been successfully planted.
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  Speaker 2: That's why abdul Lsied has more work to do to
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  Speaker 2: disapprove that he's somehow a closet una stir whatever it
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  Speaker 2: is that you know, I happen to think. For instance,
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  Speaker 2: I got a question in my mail bag that's in
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  Speaker 2: the episode now about there's going to be a lot
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  Speaker 2: of Islamophobia in this Michigan primary. There is. It's on
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  Speaker 2: a level, you know, it's funny. It's like every time
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  Speaker 2: you think, boy, you know this is going to be bad,
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  Speaker 2: it's like, oh wow, it's again to be even worse
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  Speaker 2: than I thought.
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  Speaker 1: Like the using of his full name is clearly it's
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  Speaker 1: it's not even a dog whistle.
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  Speaker 2: I mean, it's like we all can see it. Just
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  Speaker 2: wait till nine to eleven, right, twenty fifth anniversary, Oh
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  Speaker 2: my god, you know now, I actually think there's already
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  Speaker 2: made retort if they go down that road, which is, oh,
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  Speaker 2: on the twenty fifth anniversary, you're giving of a terrorist
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  Speaker 2: attack that was mostly by Saudi's. You're handing the Saudis
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  Speaker 2: a nuclear program Erald Trump. So it's sort of like,
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  Speaker 2: who's who's on the side of the terrorist here? I mean,
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  Speaker 2: if you want to totally be irresponsible and play that
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  Speaker 2: over the time, right, you want to be over You're
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  Speaker 2: they're going to be over top of you. You could
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  Speaker 2: go right back at them. I mean I do think here, like,
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  Speaker 2: wait a minute, why are you handing the Saudis again?
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  Speaker 2: Who who was on those planes? Right? We've always had
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  Speaker 2: that a little bit of disconnect there. I wonder if
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  Speaker 2: he's got to do what Kennedy did with the Catholic issue,
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  Speaker 2: what Totalma did with race, does a Total si Ed
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  Speaker 2: needed doing as a Muslim speech? And it's so interesting
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  Speaker 2: you mentioned that. I was thinking this last week, it's
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  Speaker 2: not fair. I'm going to sit here right now. It
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  Speaker 2: isn't fair that are religious. But then again, we've been
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  Speaker 2: through this, and yeah, you got to reassure the public.
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  Speaker 2: I know that it may feel demeaning, it may even
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  Speaker 2: feel but I actually think it's an opportunity. He's an
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  Speaker 2: attention guy, and I mean that in the in a meaning,
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  Speaker 2: you know, because here the generic political consultant would tell
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  Speaker 2: him just stay on target, just focus on a dability,
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  Speaker 2: don't don't take the bait, don't take the bait. Yeah,
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  Speaker 2: I think this is going to be bigger than that.
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  Speaker 2: And instead, look, you already have a seed that was
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  Speaker 2: planted about Israel with some voters, So you need to
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  Speaker 2: draw the bright line that this is about the Israeli government. Now,
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  Speaker 2: maybe it's not. Maybe he doesn't want to do this,
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  Speaker 2: And I don't know the answer to this, but I
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  Speaker 2: know that if I think it would help a lot
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  Speaker 2: of future Muslim American candidates if if you know, he
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  Speaker 2: sort of took this on, Like what Nancy May said
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  Speaker 2: is just obviously it's ignorance about our own founding, Like
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  Speaker 2: the country was founded on religious liberty. Why more than
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  Speaker 2: anything else, why did folks escape the UK? Because they
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  Speaker 2: couldn't practice their faith right, and so they come here
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  Speaker 2: to do it. And the idea that we're going to
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  Speaker 2: create a religious test of all countries, of all republics,
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  Speaker 2: of all constantus, like we were the one to embrace
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  Speaker 2: pluralism and religious freedom. And it's an opportunity to speak
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  Speaker 2: to independent voters who may be not comfortable with you ideologically,
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  Speaker 2: but you don't want him uncomfortable with you as an American.
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  Speaker 2: And I just wonder if I think he's capable of
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  Speaker 2: pulling this off. It is I'm not going to sit
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  Speaker 2: here and say it doesn't. It isn't without risk. Well
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  Speaker 2: what do you think?
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  Speaker 1: I think there's risk, But I will tell you. When
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  Speaker 1: we were doing our live stream last week on Michigan
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  Speaker 1: and he was winning, Abdell Side was winning, but not
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  Speaker 1: nearly by the margin that polling suggestion, I thought to myself,
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  Speaker 1: I wonder because I remember where we both remember this.
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  Speaker 1: I mean, if you go back to Obama and Reverend Right,
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  Speaker 1: which occasion the big race speech at Obama gave when
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  Speaker 1: he was first running.
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  Speaker 2: Like Barack Obama.
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  Speaker 1: I don't think Barack Obama's I don't want to get
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  Speaker 1: too much into his head, but I don't think he's
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  Speaker 1: like a huge at least back then it was like
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  Speaker 1: a hugely dedicated religious follower of Jeremiah Wright. I think
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  Speaker 1: somewhere somewhere somebody said, hey, man, like, if you want
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  Speaker 1: to get in the politics.
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  Speaker 2: Probably a church in Chicago's hide car.
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  Speaker 1: I mean, and I and my sense of it was
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  Speaker 1: he was like, God damn it, like I only did
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  Speaker 1: this to check a box, not advanced for it, but
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  Speaker 1: rather than could of dwell on that or ignore it,
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  Speaker 1: he saw the opportunity to give that speech.
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  Speaker 2: Now Obama is Obama, right.
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  Speaker 1: I mean, that's just like saying, well, Lebron when they
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  Speaker 1: were down twenty he led the cast, well he's Lebron.
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  Speaker 1: You know, most people who try to lead their team
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  Speaker 1: back after giving a big speech loose. I do think
• 15:42
  Speaker 1: Elsaiad is pretty gifted as a communicator. I I'm with you.
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  Speaker 1: I thought that last week. I wonder if at some
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  Speaker 1: come here in the next couple of weeks, because Mike Rogers,
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  Speaker 1: his Republican opponent, the day after August fifth, was on
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  Speaker 1: TV saying, you know, I don't know, do we want
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  Speaker 1: a guy who said that America deserved nine to eleven
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  Speaker 1: now again Abdul Alsaida did not say America deserved nine eleven.
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  Speaker 1: Hassan Piker said that who was in the state campaigning
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  Speaker 1: form Like my point is is like it's it's early August,
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  Speaker 1: and that's where we are. This is your thing. It's
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  Speaker 1: truly August, and we're doing a guest ab dual Rockman
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  Speaker 1: l you know we're doing all that.
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  Speaker 2: It's one of those things. Look, the upside of doing
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  Speaker 2: something like this is that you you suddenly put the
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  Speaker 2: onus on your opponent. Okay, how how how how hateful
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  Speaker 2: to you? Are you going to go? Where are you
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  Speaker 2: going with this?
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  Speaker 1: What is you know, response to a great speech about
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  Speaker 1: I'm a Muslim, but I felt welcome the United States
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  Speaker 1: for bab b a bah reasons or whatever.
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  Speaker 2: By the way, this is the same party whose voters
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  Speaker 2: rejected somebody simply because it looks like his name sounded
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  Speaker 2: like it might be Islamic.
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  Speaker 1: I a candidate that Donald Trump endorsed in Michigan's eighth district,
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  Speaker 1: and they voted for someone named Tom Smith, which is
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  Speaker 1: the whitest Mike.
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  Speaker 2: And I know that I would wrap my arms around
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  Speaker 2: that if I were a hundred or of science shoes,
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  Speaker 2: right you'd be like, Look, the fact of the matter
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  Speaker 2: is if you're a Muslim American, some people look at
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  Speaker 2: you automatically like you're not American for some reason, right, like,
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  Speaker 2: and you know, let me tell you. And it's a
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  Speaker 2: little bit of a history lesson. It's not fair that
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  Speaker 2: he has to give it and some of us are
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  Speaker 2: giving it. But there's you know, we've had Muslims in
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  Speaker 2: this country since the founding, Like just like we've had
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  Speaker 2: Jews in this country since the founding and Catholics in
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  Speaker 2: this country since the founding. And you know, there were
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  Speaker 2: and there and then there were religions that didn't exist
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  Speaker 2: in the seventeen hundreds that showed up in the eighteen
• 17:36
  Speaker 2: hundreds and it become mainstream like LDS. So the point
• 17:40
  Speaker 2: is this is who we are, right, we are the
• 17:43
  Speaker 2: home of religious liberty and religious freedom, and it is
• 17:51
  Speaker 2: it's sort of like what comes with breaking barriers. Sometimes
• 17:55
  Speaker 2: he's trying to break a barrier, wells, Jackie Robinson, Right,
• 17:58
  Speaker 2: I mean, like, look it goes back like Kennedy had
• 18:01
  Speaker 2: to give Kennedy had to give the I don't work
• 18:04
  Speaker 2: for the Pope speech. Now we all think, well, that's
• 18:06
  Speaker 2: ridiculous well enough people openly were saying it that they thought,
• 18:12
  Speaker 2: just just shut this down. Now, let's just make it clear.
• 18:17
  Speaker 2: Your words are all that will be out there on
• 18:21
  Speaker 2: this because your opponent's whispering this won't have the guts
• 18:24
  Speaker 2: to say it out loud. That's the ration now behind
• 18:27
  Speaker 2: it Again, I get that there's risk with it. Then
• 18:30
  Speaker 2: it sort of but I think it's not as if
• 18:34
  Speaker 2: you're because the idea is, well, why are you playing
• 18:37
  Speaker 2: on their territory? Make them play for the territory. Correct,
• 18:40
  Speaker 2: I get it. This feels a little bit different, and
• 18:43
  Speaker 2: then I don't think the other morning it.
• 18:44
  Speaker 1: Will make it go away. I think said the traditional
• 18:49
  Speaker 1: campaign advice would be if you give a speech on this,
• 18:53
  Speaker 1: now everyone's going to be talking about it. But my argument,
• 18:55
  Speaker 1: I think, and I think you're with me, is enough
• 18:57
  Speaker 1: people are talking about it anyway that it's going to
• 18:59
  Speaker 1: kind of rea a critical mass and you rather frame
• 19:02
  Speaker 1: it on your turn.
• 19:03
  Speaker 2: I was just gonna say, and look, you do it,
• 19:06
  Speaker 2: you do it right, and you have you've in some
• 19:09
  Speaker 2: ways set yourself up if you do have ambition that's
• 19:13
  Speaker 2: larger than the Senate. So in fact, maybe that's the
• 19:18
  Speaker 2: that'll be the tell yeah, you know I might do it.
• 19:23
  Speaker 2: I'll tell you where I do it too. I do
• 19:25
  Speaker 2: it at the Gerald Ard for Museum in Grand Rapids. Yeah, absolutely,
• 19:29
  Speaker 2: I do it at the home. I do it at
• 19:30
  Speaker 2: a presidential museum in the library. I always forget. I
• 19:33
  Speaker 2: think the museums and Grand Rapids, the libraries and in Arbor.
• 19:37
  Speaker 2: It's it's like, I think that's right.
• 19:49
  Speaker 1: Can I ask your lading question?
• 19:51
  Speaker 2: I want to do a little more sent guess you
• 19:53
  Speaker 2: can do it on Macanaw, but you know what I
• 19:54
  Speaker 2: get now, don't do it on Macana Mouth Macanaw. I don't.
• 19:58
  Speaker 2: I mean in defense this. I know what he was
• 20:01
  Speaker 2: bad bouthing. He was going. He hated having to be
• 20:04
  Speaker 2: on display. Yes there, no, well no, it's it's have
• 20:10
  Speaker 2: you done the conference? It's fast not but it is like,
• 20:14
  Speaker 2: imagine a convention that got contained on an island and
• 20:20
  Speaker 2: get away from the people, so you can't get away
• 20:22
  Speaker 2: from anybody no matter where you go.
• 20:24
  Speaker 1: Hey, I just got one more question I want to
• 20:26
  Speaker 1: ask you. You're like, I just want to literally sit.
• 20:29
  Speaker 2: I think his experience at Mackinaws about the conference. But
• 20:33
  Speaker 2: you know the fact is, hey, that's welcome to welcome
• 20:36
  Speaker 2: to hot mics.
• 20:37
  Speaker 1: Right, Yeah, I want to do a little more senate
• 20:41
  Speaker 1: math with you, but I do want to take you
• 20:42
  Speaker 1: on a quick side branch.
• 20:45
  Speaker 2: John F.
• 20:46
  Speaker 1: Kennedy is you know, a Catholic running. He gives a
• 20:48
  Speaker 1: speech about being Catholic. Barack Obama is you know, the
• 20:51
  Speaker 1: first very prominent nominee African American nominee.
• 20:55
  Speaker 2: He gives a speech about race and kind of his back.
• 20:58
  Speaker 2: By the way, he was also there, he had another member.
• 21:01
  Speaker 2: He was still dealing with all the Muslim stuff, closet
• 21:04
  Speaker 2: Muslim stuff.
• 21:04
  Speaker 1: Yeah he was.
• 21:05
  Speaker 2: He was born in king He was right, so he
• 21:07
  Speaker 2: was also the birther stuff. He was also making sure
• 21:11
  Speaker 2: people understood his Christianity. Yep.
• 21:14
  Speaker 1: We've talked about LSA ed the possibility of giving a
• 21:16
  Speaker 1: speech about that as a Jewish person. We are going
• 21:20
  Speaker 1: to have two I think at least one and maybe two.
• 21:24
  Speaker 1: John Ossoff and and the governor of excuse me, Joshpier
• 21:29
  Speaker 1: the governor Pennsylvania are both Jewish.
• 21:30
  Speaker 2: So's the governor of Illinois and JB. Pritzker. So three,
• 21:35
  Speaker 2: two of which is Romamanue wants to run. So there's four.
• 21:40
  Speaker 1: We've never had a Jewish president when I said, I
• 21:43
  Speaker 1: think it would make sense for Kamala Harris to pick Joshpier.
• 21:45
  Speaker 1: He's from a swing stage, he's a popular governor. She
• 21:47
  Speaker 1: didn't the rumors out of that, the whispers out of
• 21:50
  Speaker 1: that where while she was they didn't get along totally.
• 21:53
  Speaker 2: But also like a.
• 21:54
  Speaker 1: Jewish did that, does whoever winds up being kind of
• 21:58
  Speaker 1: the most prominent of that group that we just mentioned
• 22:00
  Speaker 1: for I didn't even I didn't even think of Ramin Pritsker.
• 22:04
  Speaker 1: Should one of them give it?
• 22:06
  Speaker 2: I think they're going to have to give the interesting
• 22:08
  Speaker 2: give the israel Is is you know the Is. You
• 22:13
  Speaker 2: know I don't work for the Israeli government, I mean
• 22:15
  Speaker 2: the Kennedy the Kennedy I don't work for the I
• 22:18
  Speaker 2: think it, I absolutely do. I think it interesting going
• 22:21
  Speaker 2: to be necessary. It's now maybe frankly, it's such a
• 22:28
  Speaker 2: high profile issue that they'll all be saying a version
• 22:31
  Speaker 2: of it anyway, right, which is I don't agree with
• 22:35
  Speaker 2: you know, Benjaminettna, who has done more to damage Jews
• 22:39
  Speaker 2: in America than any other person, you know, whatever whatever
• 22:42
  Speaker 2: line you want to use, you know, or the in
• 22:47
  Speaker 2: the same way that you know Benjaminetta, who doesn't reflect
• 22:52
  Speaker 2: all Jews, correct, Donald Trump doesn't reflect all Americans, you
• 22:57
  Speaker 2: know what I mean, type of type of things.
• 22:59
  Speaker 1: It's interesting. I had thought of it literally before we
• 23:01
  Speaker 1: got on this and started talking about elsied. But it
• 23:04
  Speaker 1: is a thing.
• 23:05
  Speaker 2: Let's say that.
• 23:07
  Speaker 1: Shapiro is kind of looking, you know, is in second
• 23:11
  Speaker 1: or something. It is a thing that people it's the
• 23:14
  Speaker 1: whole whisper about. And then how much credence do you give?
• 23:18
  Speaker 1: Like that's the calculation always how much of this is
• 23:21
  Speaker 1: just fever swamp stuff versus this is what actual voters
• 23:25
  Speaker 1: care about. It's so hard to measure, but that's the question.
• 23:28
  Speaker 2: Well, look, I do think that there are voters that
• 23:31
  Speaker 2: it's way too whether it's whether this is fair or not,
• 23:35
  Speaker 2: there is way too many irresponsible people that have made
• 23:39
  Speaker 2: it that have convinced people that all Jewish Americans are
• 23:44
  Speaker 2: as loyal to Israel as they are to the Constitution.
• 23:47
  Speaker 2: You know, it's insulting. I want to say fu when
• 23:51
  Speaker 2: people say that about Jews in America, but it's a reality.
• 23:56
  Speaker 2: It's the same way I'm sure Catholics felt in the fifties,
• 24:00
  Speaker 2: you know, when they were being questioned about whether they
• 24:02
  Speaker 2: were more loyal to the Pope than to the Constitution.
• 24:04
  Speaker 1: Absolutely.
• 24:06
  Speaker 2: You know, I'm sorry, I'm more I you know, I
• 24:09
  Speaker 2: know what i'd say. I said, I'm more loyal to
• 24:11
  Speaker 2: the Constitution than any Western mythology that exists, whether it's
• 24:15
  Speaker 2: the Old Testament, the New Testament, the Book of Mormon,
• 24:17
  Speaker 2: you name it. And that might offend other people, but
• 24:23
  Speaker 2: you know, I do think if you want to be
• 24:25
  Speaker 2: the first Jewish president in this political environment, you probably
• 24:31
  Speaker 2: have no choice but to simply restate your loyalty to
• 24:36
  Speaker 2: the Constitution above any religious texts. That's out.
• 24:41
  Speaker 1: I mean, I think back even a two thousand right
• 24:43
  Speaker 1: with Lieberman as the as the it was like, well,
• 24:46
  Speaker 1: is he going to be able to work on Sunday?
• 24:48
  Speaker 1: You know, I mean on Saturday as a whole thing.
• 24:50
  Speaker 1: He was observed not everybody.
• 24:54
  Speaker 2: Jewish, just like there's open staate Catholics, of course, not
• 24:57
  Speaker 2: open state Catholic.
• 24:58
  Speaker 1: It was still an interesting thing because, like I didn't
• 25:01
  Speaker 1: really think about.
• 25:02
  Speaker 2: I grew up in Connecticut, so I knew Lieberman. You've
• 25:04
  Speaker 2: been my senator forever.
• 25:05
  Speaker 3: And I especially now right with the issue as big
• 25:10
  Speaker 3: an issue and as unresolved an issue as it is
• 25:12
  Speaker 3: in the Democratic Party going forward, all right, let's do one.
• 25:16
  Speaker 1: Twenty twenty sixth and twenty twenty eight things. So, but
• 25:19
  Speaker 1: Tim Scott, who heads the Republican Senatorial Committee, he's in
• 25:23
  Speaker 1: charge of trying to keep the Senate majority. He gave
• 25:25
  Speaker 1: an interview with our friend Manu Raju on CNN that
• 25:28
  Speaker 1: they ran yesterday, and at the end of the interview,
• 25:31
  Speaker 1: man who says, do you think you're gonna be able
• 25:33
  Speaker 1: to hold the Senate? And Tim Scott says, I think
• 25:36
  Speaker 1: we're gonna win. I think we're gonna have fifty four
• 25:39
  Speaker 1: seats in in January.
• 25:42
  Speaker 2: Now I just chucked.
• 25:43
  Speaker 1: I want to pull this up because I always love
• 25:45
  Speaker 1: we people know that we love DDHK.
• 25:48
  Speaker 2: We welcome to the Welcome to the world of Trump,
• 25:50
  Speaker 2: where you have to if you'll guess you just have
• 25:54
  Speaker 2: to bullshit your way around. Well, let me pull this
• 25:56
  Speaker 2: care so you're not allowed to speak the truth.
• 25:59
  Speaker 1: This is the DHQ map. Okay, now I did very quickly.
• 26:03
  Speaker 1: Are there are four seats that Tim Scott talks about
• 26:07
  Speaker 1: as pickups New Hampshire, Georgia, Michigan, Minnesota. No, you know,
• 26:13
  Speaker 1: Minnesota's probably on the outer edge there. But in order
• 26:15
  Speaker 1: for them to net one seat, they would have to
• 26:17
  Speaker 1: win at least two of those and then lose only
• 26:20
  Speaker 1: one of all the other seats you see on there,
• 26:22
  Speaker 1: and that's you know, that's North Carolina, Maine, Ohio, Iowa, Texas, Alaska, Nebraska, Kansas.
• 26:31
  Speaker 2: You know?
• 26:32
  Speaker 1: Is this just and I wanted to scroll down because
• 26:35
  Speaker 1: this is a cool thing that DDHQ does. They do this,
• 26:37
  Speaker 1: like what are the chances thing? So I just went here,
• 26:40
  Speaker 1: fifty four seats Tim Scott's prediction, there's a six point
• 26:44
  Speaker 1: three percent chance in all the simulations they run. Is
• 26:47
  Speaker 1: this chuck? Is this just utter?
• 26:50
  Speaker 2: Is it just Trump?
• 26:51
  Speaker 1: Like what we're going to try to hold the majority?
• 26:54
  Speaker 2: The trumpification? Which is okay, I wanted to get your
• 26:57
  Speaker 2: gun rhetoric. Yeah, Like I don't think it's and I
• 27:00
  Speaker 2: don't think Tim Scott would have said it seriously in
• 27:03
  Speaker 2: and off the record situation, right, Like, okay, he can't
• 27:06
  Speaker 2: get caught on the right. I mean, this is what
• 27:08
  Speaker 2: happens to when you've made all rhetoric partisan rhetoric, right,
• 27:12
  Speaker 2: which is you can't ever get caught speaking the truth. Right.
• 27:16
  Speaker 2: The biggest problem for partisans in politics right now is
• 27:19
  Speaker 2: that they're not They get punished for saying the truth. Right,
• 27:22
  Speaker 2: if you say I don't care, I can't. I don't
• 27:24
  Speaker 2: have the votes for the save Act Trader, you know,
• 27:27
  Speaker 2: get out. You know, if you if you get caught
• 27:29
  Speaker 2: speaking reality, there's there's a heavy duty punishment. And look,
• 27:33
  Speaker 2: Tim Scott already is kind of on the ounce with
• 27:36
  Speaker 2: the Maga world and with Trump world. He desperately needs
• 27:40
  Speaker 2: Trump to finance. The only way Republicans have any hope
• 27:46
  Speaker 2: is if Trump, if Trump can somehow get some of
• 27:48
  Speaker 2: the Trump voters that only vote in presidentials, those shotgun
• 27:52
  Speaker 2: Trump voters. You know, how do they save Iowa? You
• 27:55
  Speaker 2: send Trump? How do you save Nebraska in theory you
• 27:58
  Speaker 2: send Trump? How do you say Idaho or South Dakota.
• 28:02
  Speaker 2: You're going to want to get Trump's buy in, so
• 28:05
  Speaker 2: they need he can't in some weird way, you can't
• 28:11
  Speaker 2: ever get caught, you know, talking down efforts or whatever.
• 28:16
  Speaker 2: And it's you know, Trump is a you know, Trump
• 28:19
  Speaker 2: is a who are the they are these nineteen fifties
• 28:23
  Speaker 2: books that he that he abides by. I think the
• 28:27
  Speaker 2: power positive thinking positive right, Trump is part of that cult. Yes,
• 28:32
  Speaker 2: And it's a little cultish, that power positive thinking world.
• 28:37
  Speaker 2: And I think you have to speak that cult language.
• 28:40
  Speaker 1: It reminded me of when you were talking to reminding
• 28:43
  Speaker 1: me of Michael Kinsley, who is just brilliant And if
• 28:45
  Speaker 1: you don't know Michael Kinsley's work, he does not writing
• 28:48
  Speaker 1: much anymore, but brilliant commentator around politics. His definition of
• 28:51
  Speaker 1: a gaff in Washington is when a politician accidentally tells
• 28:54
  Speaker 1: the truth. It's exactly what you said. Like if Tim
• 28:57
  Speaker 1: Scott had said, hey, look we'll be lucky. We're a
• 29:00
  Speaker 1: in for fifty. You know, all we need is a majority,
• 29:03
  Speaker 1: that would have been a problem. And like, if you
• 29:05
  Speaker 1: watch the whole interview, it's fascinating because Manu, to his credit,
• 29:09
  Speaker 1: is like, you guys spent millions of dollars saying that
• 29:12
  Speaker 1: Ken Paxson was dangerous, and you know, and now what
• 29:16
  Speaker 1: he's saying, and he's like, look, Ken Paxson's gonna win.
• 29:19
  Speaker 1: You know, It's just some of it is what you
• 29:21
  Speaker 1: have to say. He's not gonna say, hey, look we're
• 29:22
  Speaker 1: probably gonna lose Texas. But I was like, man just say, like,
• 29:26
  Speaker 1: we're going to do our best. It's a tough map
• 29:28
  Speaker 1: in a tough year. Don't say you're going to pick
• 29:29
  Speaker 1: this off.
• 29:30
  Speaker 2: Seats. You know, this is the problem for both our
• 29:33
  Speaker 2: industry and the industry of politics, right, which is, you know,
• 29:39
  Speaker 2: the more honest we are, the less likely you're going
• 29:44
  Speaker 2: to show up on one of the major networks, because
• 29:47
  Speaker 2: like the major networks are also bought in on this
• 29:50
  Speaker 2: idea that you know, we're supposed we're supposed to pretend
• 29:55
  Speaker 2: reality might not have happened yet, and so you have
• 29:58
  Speaker 2: to sort of accept the premise of everybody's theory of
• 30:01
  Speaker 2: the case.
• 30:02
  Speaker 1: Everything, every prediction is equal.
• 30:04
  Speaker 2: Yeah, and it's you know, and you know I used
• 30:10
  Speaker 2: to get you know, I get criticized, Well, don't say
• 30:12
  Speaker 2: that the race is over. We want people to watch.
• 30:16
  Speaker 2: You know. Sometimes there would be that sort of conversation
• 30:19
  Speaker 2: you'd be like, yeah, but at the end of the day,
• 30:22
  Speaker 2: all I have is my credibility. You may not like me,
• 30:26
  Speaker 2: but one thing I don't do is tell you bullshit
• 30:29
  Speaker 2: like what I'm telling you. You may wish I would
• 30:32
  Speaker 2: would say it was something else like, but ninety nine
• 30:36
  Speaker 2: percent of my critics are partisan because they don't like
• 30:40
  Speaker 2: that I'm not supporting their point of view. Like it
• 30:42
  Speaker 2: is there there is no criticism coming from people based
• 30:46
  Speaker 2: on analyzing what I've said and somehow gotten it wrong.
• 30:49
  Speaker 2: It's just through their own prism of what they want to.
• 30:53
  Speaker 1: And not to be self serving. But I'm going to
• 30:55
  Speaker 1: be self serving of us. One of the things, one
• 30:57
  Speaker 1: of the reasons we do these live streams and we
• 30:59
  Speaker 1: believe in them, is because I'll say, for myself, i'd
• 31:03
  Speaker 1: be watching like Wolf Blitzer and CNN or you know
• 31:06
  Speaker 1: whoever on MS and it would be like this, pretend
• 31:10
  Speaker 1: Patty Cake on an election night of like.
• 31:12
  Speaker 2: Oh it's too close, still close.
• 31:13
  Speaker 1: To call anyone who knows anything.
• 31:17
  Speaker 2: I never did that. I'll tell you. I used to
• 31:19
  Speaker 2: break the fourth wall a little bit. I said, look,
• 31:21
  Speaker 2: I know we've labeled this too close to call, but
• 31:24
  Speaker 2: here you'd rather be this person than that person, may explain,
• 31:29
  Speaker 2: which is also why, you know, and when I was
• 31:33
  Speaker 2: there that fewer people watched ABC or CBS because we
• 31:37
  Speaker 2: were leaning more into reality quicker, faster and all of
• 31:40
  Speaker 2: that stuff. And I think like this, and I you know,
• 31:46
  Speaker 2: I think we're learning an independent you know, where do
• 31:49
  Speaker 2: people gravitate in independent media? Well, where they feel like
• 31:52
  Speaker 2: they're just getting an unvarnished truth correct, Well, where do
• 31:55
  Speaker 2: I get that? In my politics? I don't know anybody
• 31:58
  Speaker 2: that speaks on varnish truths right now as an elected
• 32:00
  Speaker 2: very rare. There are very few. I think Spencer Cox
• 32:04
  Speaker 2: sort of does every once in a while. I think
• 32:06
  Speaker 2: Jared Polis likes to see himself as that. I'm not
• 32:10
  Speaker 2: saying there aren't some folks who swear they tell it
• 32:15
  Speaker 2: like it is, but they're pretty few and far between
• 32:19
  Speaker 2: because we've beat it out of them, because it's just
• 32:21
  Speaker 2: going to say it that's exactly right. No, I mean
• 32:23
  Speaker 2: we beat we the generic media.
• 32:25
  Speaker 1: Collective media now Chuck and particular for speaking.
• 32:29
  Speaker 2: The truth and rather than saying, well, they told the
• 32:34
  Speaker 2: truth on that one.
• 32:35
  Speaker 1: Right, Speaking of authenticity, this is actually an easy segue
• 32:40
  Speaker 1: for me. I got I have two twenty twenty eight things.
• 32:43
  Speaker 1: The first one so I'm I was away this weekend
• 32:47
  Speaker 1: and I'm driving back yesterday, and I well, my wife's driving,
• 32:52
  Speaker 1: and I'm just because otherwise this would be super dangerous.
• 32:54
  Speaker 1: I'm scrolling Instagram as I drive. No, my wife is driving.
• 32:57
  Speaker 1: I'm looking Instagram and I see and I hadn't seen
• 32:59
  Speaker 1: it the night before that. Algender Occasio Cortes has done
• 33:02
  Speaker 1: this long Instagram live where she talks about you know
• 33:07
  Speaker 1: the difficulties of being young and she's thirty six now.
• 33:09
  Speaker 1: She was the youngest woman elected when she was twenty eight,
• 33:11
  Speaker 1: the challenges of kind of growing up, and this leads
• 33:14
  Speaker 1: in it's like an eight minute preamble. She says, she's
• 33:17
  Speaker 1: rambling her words to this announcement that she is freezing
• 33:20
  Speaker 1: her eggs, which I was like, holy shit, like that
• 33:25
  Speaker 1: is really an interesting thing to kind of put out there.
• 33:30
  Speaker 1: And then less than twenty four hours later, she goes
• 33:33
  Speaker 1: on a Sunday show John Carl this week, and she
• 33:37
  Speaker 1: I assumed it turning these things down. She hadn't been
• 33:39
  Speaker 1: on one in two years. And it's not for those
• 33:41
  Speaker 1: shows lack of asking her, And she says, you know,
• 33:45
  Speaker 1: I'm open to the possibility of running for president in
• 33:48
  Speaker 1: twenty twenty eight. I was like, those two things are
• 33:50
  Speaker 1: not coincidental.
• 33:52
  Speaker 2: You don't.
• 33:52
  Speaker 1: It doesn't feel to me like you do that, Like
• 33:54
  Speaker 1: I'm making a choice to, you know, preserve the possibility
• 33:58
  Speaker 1: of being a mother one day. But it's not happening.
• 33:59
  Speaker 1: I fear me right now. And then yes, I am
• 34:01
  Speaker 1: first now saying I'm opening to the possibility of twenty
• 34:04
  Speaker 1: twenty eight. What did you make I find her endlessly fascinating.
• 34:07
  Speaker 1: I think I probably think she has a better chance
• 34:09
  Speaker 1: of winning a nomination than you do. But what did
• 34:11
  Speaker 1: you kind of make of that?
• 34:12
  Speaker 2: No, And it does feel as if she she is
• 34:18
  Speaker 2: she's It feels to me she said, hey, I'm not
• 34:23
  Speaker 2: I have it. You know. I think you could have
• 34:27
  Speaker 2: read between the lines before this weekend that she was
• 34:30
  Speaker 2: as likely to run for Senate in twenty eight as
• 34:34
  Speaker 2: she was for president Unda. It did feel as if
• 34:38
  Speaker 2: she said no, no, no, no, no, let me, let me,
• 34:41
  Speaker 2: let me. I'm gonna it's my you know, I want
• 34:45
  Speaker 2: to make sure that all the others that want to
• 34:48
  Speaker 2: run in this lane, in the progressive lane, I have
• 34:51
  Speaker 2: the right to first refusal. Yep, she didn't say it
• 34:54
  Speaker 2: that way, and I think she does. And frankly, it's
• 34:56
  Speaker 2: a I'm I'm not saying this motivated her, but there's
• 35:02
  Speaker 2: no doubt in my mind Abdul say Ed is running
• 35:05
  Speaker 2: for president if he wins.
• 35:07
  Speaker 1: Whether it's I think she's not stupid.
• 35:11
  Speaker 2: I'm not saying he does it in twenty eight for sure.
• 35:15
  Speaker 2: I think that in fact, he'd be It would be
• 35:17
  Speaker 2: a mistake if he If she gets in and he
• 35:20
  Speaker 2: gets in, but he clearly if she doesn't run, I
• 35:23
  Speaker 2: think he gets in you know, Rocon.
• 35:25
  Speaker 1: He's not getting the most high profile lefty.
• 35:29
  Speaker 2: And if he lives in the battleground state, he's going
• 35:32
  Speaker 2: to have more juice than anybody else buying that a
• 35:36
  Speaker 2: house member from the Bronx or the house member from
• 35:38
  Speaker 2: Silicon from San Jose. I mean, the statewide elected progressive
• 35:43
  Speaker 2: in Michigan is going to have a lot more cachet
• 35:46
  Speaker 2: and a lot more and a better case to make
• 35:49
  Speaker 2: to the donor, to the progressive donor community.
• 35:52
  Speaker 1: Oh totally. I'm wanting a place that isn't just all Democrats.
• 35:56
  Speaker 1: I've proven it.
• 35:57
  Speaker 2: I think that. And the fact that abdul ed was
• 35:59
  Speaker 2: making the Sunday Show rounds just didn't feel like an accident,
• 36:04
  Speaker 2: like she it is, I take it. I take it
• 36:08
  Speaker 2: more seriously, like, look, she's setting herself up her personal life,
• 36:11
  Speaker 2: because that is a question I had. She's of this,
• 36:14
  Speaker 2: like does she have to make a choice between starting
• 36:17
  Speaker 2: a family and running for president? And she is essentially
• 36:20
  Speaker 2: without saying it is that she's made sure that she
• 36:24
  Speaker 2: can be in a situation where it's not an either
• 36:27
  Speaker 2: or that's all right, right, And you know, if I'm
• 36:31
  Speaker 2: in if I'm in her shoes, that's a position I
• 36:36
  Speaker 2: want to be in, right. I want to be in
• 36:37
  Speaker 2: a position where I feel as if I can make
• 36:40
  Speaker 2: this decision, you know, going forward. But you know, this
• 36:47
  Speaker 2: is where I just think in general, and this is
• 36:50
  Speaker 2: not about gender, I think you're a stronger candidate for
• 36:58
  Speaker 2: president if you're a parent than if you're.
• 37:02
  Speaker 1: That is interesting.
• 37:04
  Speaker 2: I just do I think it was an issue. I
• 37:08
  Speaker 2: think it was a issue that you can't pull with Kamala. No, Okay,
• 37:12
  Speaker 2: now you can't. It's impossible. Nobody gives you. I can
• 37:15
  Speaker 2: just tell you the experience that. Look, my wife's worked
• 37:23
  Speaker 2: with clients who have been single when they ran or
• 37:28
  Speaker 2: childless when they ran, and it was an issue with
• 37:31
  Speaker 2: older women in particular older African American women would ask
• 37:37
  Speaker 2: the question a lot. So it is not an insignificant
• 37:41
  Speaker 2: issue for some voters. Now the question is is it
• 37:45
  Speaker 2: you know? And so I just think it is the
• 37:51
  Speaker 2: whole idea. Are you in touch? Right? You know? Being
• 37:54
  Speaker 2: your parent, it's another language. You speak the same language
• 37:58
  Speaker 2: as a whole bunch of other voters of a certain age.
• 38:02
  Speaker 1: So, and you have an investment or very real investment
• 38:04
  Speaker 1: in the future, right, like, it's not just about you.
• 38:07
  Speaker 1: The other thing I would say, Koo Chuck, is like
• 38:09
  Speaker 1: I just just quickly thinking through my mind, like George W.
• 38:12
  Speaker 1: Bush's daughters who were young at the time he ran
• 38:16
  Speaker 1: and and his wife I think helped him at the
• 38:20
  Speaker 1: margins made.
• 38:21
  Speaker 2: Him more likable. He's a good dad.
• 38:23
  Speaker 1: I think you could say the exact same thing about
• 38:25
  Speaker 1: the Obama daughters, like whether you hate him or you
• 38:28
  Speaker 1: like him, they his family seems to like him.
• 38:30
  Speaker 2: And I remember distinctly in the era, the Biden family
• 38:35
  Speaker 2: was an asset, huge accent. I don't want to get
• 38:37
  Speaker 2: into that business now. I mean, obviously it became complicated,
• 38:40
  Speaker 2: but the Biden clan was seen as a net positive.
• 38:43
  Speaker 2: Hey you have Obama's family and the Biden family. That's great.
• 38:46
  Speaker 2: Look at that huge, giant, blended, particutely blended family.
• 38:51
  Speaker 1: And even in twenty sixteen, and I know we're so
• 38:53
  Speaker 1: far down the road, it's hard to remember this, but
• 38:55
  Speaker 1: you can find articles where it's like you there are
• 38:57
  Speaker 1: voters quoted as saying like I don't love Don Trump's style,
• 39:00
  Speaker 1: but like his kids are impressive, or you know what
• 39:03
  Speaker 1: I mean, especially Ivanka, like that that was a thing
• 39:06
  Speaker 1: to the extent there was anything that made him empathetic
• 39:10
  Speaker 1: or appealing in a like non hard edged way.
• 39:14
  Speaker 2: Was that so?
• 39:15
  Speaker 1: Yeah? I mean, look, who was the last bachelor president
• 39:18
  Speaker 1: was at Franklin Pierce. I mean, it doesn't happen very often. No,
• 39:22
  Speaker 1: And look, I'll never forget Bob Carrey.
• 39:26
  Speaker 2: He was single. Yeah, he'd been divorced and had had
• 39:31
  Speaker 2: a grown child I think at the time. But he
• 39:35
  Speaker 2: he was one of the on the short list with
• 39:37
  Speaker 2: Al Gore to be Bill Clinton's running mate. And you know, Carrie,
• 39:42
  Speaker 2: I love Bob Carrey. He was a great, great, great quote. Right. Yeah.
• 39:46
  Speaker 2: As a reporter, you just sort of loved you. He
• 39:48
  Speaker 2: was somebody that they were great quotes. They didn't you, Eddie.
• 39:52
  Speaker 2: Eddie didn't have much of a filter. And he said, yeah,
• 39:54
  Speaker 2: he said, you know, if they picked me as a
• 39:57
  Speaker 2: running mate, it's Bill, Hillary and Bob, you know, but
• 40:00
  Speaker 2: if you pick Al, it's Bill Hillary Al Tipper and
• 40:03
  Speaker 2: you got three kids, and there's this huge thing. And
• 40:06
  Speaker 2: he goes and he basically thought he was that he
• 40:10
  Speaker 2: didn't bring anything to the ticket because he wasn't bringing
• 40:13
  Speaker 2: a family for the big photo at the Governor's mansion,
• 40:16
  Speaker 2: right of course, and that was sort of Bob Carrey
• 40:20
  Speaker 2: doing what you love when a politician accidentally selling the
• 40:24
  Speaker 2: quiet part out loud, right, and he of course, but
• 40:30
  Speaker 2: I'm sure Paul mcgalla James Carvel said yeah, hey, that
• 40:33
  Speaker 2: picture with the Gors is pretty good.
• 40:45
  Speaker 1: And then like John Carry, Bob Carey is standing with
• 40:48
  Speaker 1: his girlfriend as a VP nominee. Okay, speaking of my
• 40:55
  Speaker 1: second twenty twenty eight question.
• 40:57
  Speaker 2: I can't wait till somebody cherry picks this guy conversation
• 41:00
  Speaker 2: and tries to it have to be married, right, you know,
• 41:04
  Speaker 2: listen to what Chuck Todd and Chrystalsa said and we're
• 41:06
  Speaker 2: going to give it to you way out of context.
• 41:08
  Speaker 2: So I can't wait for the ats with thanks to
• 41:11
  Speaker 2: sherry picked assholes. Dude, there are a lot of people
• 41:15
  Speaker 2: who like to just chop up what we say. It's like,
• 41:17
  Speaker 2: don't you have anything better? I mean I thought we
• 41:20
  Speaker 2: were irrelevant.
• 41:21
  Speaker 1: I know, well exactly.
• 41:24
  Speaker 2: I always love the people like nobody listens to you
• 41:26
  Speaker 2: as they're except a chopping it up and responding you
• 41:31
  Speaker 2: don't I always think of I think you'd have time
• 41:32
  Speaker 2: about the police.
• 41:33
  Speaker 1: Yeah, it's one of my favorite things it's at Howard
• 41:36
  Speaker 1: Stern saying that they did a study of his audience
• 41:38
  Speaker 1: and people who said they loved Howard Stern. This is
• 41:40
  Speaker 1: back on terrestrial radio. Listen for forty minutes today and
• 41:43
  Speaker 1: people said they hated Howard Stern. Listened for two hours.
• 41:46
  Speaker 1: It's like the best. It's like my favorite statistic that
• 41:49
  Speaker 1: gets us there. Okay, twenty twenty eight ass Off. I
• 41:55
  Speaker 1: saw it today. Maybe it was Monday, Yes, Monday that
• 41:58
  Speaker 1: ass Off has now passed Gavin Newsom in the Calshi
• 42:03
  Speaker 1: prediction market and in poly market. I just checked before
• 42:06
  Speaker 1: we went on. He's second. Now I think I think
• 42:09
  Speaker 1: Newsom's at like eighteen and also set sixteen point seven.
• 42:13
  Speaker 2: Is this is this a bubble?
• 42:17
  Speaker 1: Is it real?
• 42:18
  Speaker 2: Chuck?
• 42:18
  Speaker 1: Do you expect I had always said I didn't expect
• 42:20
  Speaker 1: him to run because it would be such a quick
• 42:22
  Speaker 1: turnaround after a really long twenty six campaign. But am
• 42:25
  Speaker 1: I wrong? Like? Can you look at numbers that he
• 42:28
  Speaker 1: sees and be like, you know what, I'll just wait
• 42:31
  Speaker 1: because timing is everything.
• 42:32
  Speaker 2: We learned that with Obama, we learned.
• 42:33
  Speaker 1: It with Hillary Clinton, Like oh yeah, no, I mean
• 42:35
  Speaker 1: if Hillary had run an O for She's probably the president.
• 42:38
  Speaker 2: Right. Look, I will tell you that I don't. I
• 42:40
  Speaker 2: haven't spoken to John Ossoff in the last two years.
• 42:43
  Speaker 2: I'm not going to sit here and tell you I
• 42:45
  Speaker 2: know him what he's thinking in the other years. I
• 42:48
  Speaker 2: can just tell you that somebody who ran for office
• 42:54
  Speaker 2: and raised the money that he raised, and how special
• 42:56
  Speaker 2: election where he came up short yep team defied all
• 43:01
  Speaker 2: these people who told him, oh, you're wasting your time
• 43:04
  Speaker 2: running for the US Senate in Georgia and all of this.
• 43:08
  Speaker 2: So I think he clearly has the ambition. He is
• 43:16
  Speaker 2: got a foothold, and he is going to keep going
• 43:18
  Speaker 2: and he's going to press ahead. So I don't I see, No,
• 43:26
  Speaker 2: it's not Look, it's not easy to go from one, say,
• 43:32
  Speaker 2: one hundred million dollar campaign to go to a billion
• 43:35
  Speaker 2: dollar campaign. And the downside for him if he does
• 43:39
  Speaker 2: do it, is exhaustion his family.
• 43:43
  Speaker 1: He's got a young family, you know. I mean, I
• 43:47
  Speaker 1: was just gonna I meant just his own exhaustion. But yes,
• 43:49
  Speaker 1: Donor exhaustions seven million bucks in this campaign, that's right,
• 43:53
  Speaker 1: first Senate.
• 43:56
  Speaker 2: So you know, I that's the part of this is
• 44:01
  Speaker 2: does he physically want to just roll over and do
• 44:04
  Speaker 2: this like like Obama, you know, ran in O four.
• 44:08
  Speaker 1: Because it was four years between more years.
• 44:10
  Speaker 2: He got a little bit of a respite. You don't
• 44:13
  Speaker 2: get any respite at all. I mean, if you're if
• 44:15
  Speaker 2: you're not running full's time for president starting February one,
• 44:19
  Speaker 2: then you're already behind. That's the way I feel. Going
• 44:23
  Speaker 2: to do you think people show but I look, I
• 44:27
  Speaker 2: buy the idea if they're you know, Osoff. If you eliminate,
• 44:35
  Speaker 2: I'll do well, I'll saw yet we don't know yet,
• 44:37
  Speaker 2: right yep. But barring his victory, if he wins, if
• 44:45
  Speaker 2: he doesn't win, then Osov's the most progressive victor in
• 44:49
  Speaker 2: a swing state that you can yes, absolutely when check
• 44:54
  Speaker 2: a you know, if you're like, look, who is somebody
• 44:58
  Speaker 2: that both progressive and the establishment will be able to
• 45:04
  Speaker 2: not be uncomfortable with.
• 45:06
  Speaker 1: Could get behind? Right? Not gonna love every bit?
• 45:09
  Speaker 2: Right, I look at all the different right as Off
• 45:16
  Speaker 2: Pritzker feel like the two that I think could bridge
• 45:22
  Speaker 2: that divide. I don't, and I'm i'm i'm a I'm
• 45:26
  Speaker 2: not sitting saying I buy both of them. But you know,
• 45:30
  Speaker 2: I think Pritzker has the money to sort of not
• 45:37
  Speaker 2: have to worry about the mainstream donors. And at the
• 45:41
  Speaker 2: same time he's got a little he's sort of got
• 45:44
  Speaker 2: the same He's got a record that Gavin Newsom would
• 45:48
  Speaker 2: claim to have liber record, except you know Gavin did
• 45:53
  Speaker 2: it on the back of Jerry Brown's. You know, you know,
• 45:57
  Speaker 2: Pritzker's built this a bit, right. You know he beat
• 45:59
  Speaker 2: a Republican, right, that's interesting.
• 46:05
  Speaker 4: I I I think I'm still too down on Pritzker,
• 46:10
  Speaker 4: like I I when I rank them, I always find
• 46:13
  Speaker 4: myself putting him like eighth ninth, like I know, and.
• 46:16
  Speaker 2: I know why you do, and I would it sort
• 46:19
  Speaker 2: of would have been my initial instinct. I've I've watched him, yeah,
• 46:25
  Speaker 2: up close. Uh he You know, first of all, he's
• 46:29
  Speaker 2: got the desire, right that matters. That's the only to
• 46:31
  Speaker 2: do what it takes. And I don't know how else
• 46:34
  Speaker 2: to convey that. But if you don't have somebody who's
• 46:37
  Speaker 2: just willing and awesome, is it's brutal.
• 46:40
  Speaker 1: I hear about brutal process, right, Like it's a brutal
• 46:43
  Speaker 1: I say this, does Mark Kelly have it in him?
• 46:46
  Speaker 2: That's what it takes? And I don't mean that as
• 46:49
  Speaker 2: a knock on him. He's just a human it's another
• 46:52
  Speaker 2: level of commitment. Yes that I don't think people fully
• 46:56
  Speaker 2: Both Pritzker and Osof feel like they've got the they've
• 46:59
  Speaker 2: got that hung Okay, now Schapiro has that hunger absolutely,
• 47:06
  Speaker 2: And I'll tell you one that I'm not sure about myself,
• 47:08
  Speaker 2: even though I think he's the on paper front runner,
• 47:12
  Speaker 2: if he wanted to be, he could be. And that's
• 47:14
  Speaker 2: Wes Moore.
• 47:15
  Speaker 1: I wonder. Yeah, I don't know, because he's got a lot.
• 47:21
  Speaker 1: You have to have it geted into running. You're not
• 47:24
  Speaker 1: going to be a good candidate. It has to be
• 47:26
  Speaker 1: like smiling the precious. I hate to say it, but
• 47:29
  Speaker 1: it has to be. You have to be obsessed by it. Otherwise,
• 47:32
  Speaker 1: like people make fun of Bill Clinton for being so political,
• 47:35
  Speaker 1: that's who wins.
• 47:36
  Speaker 2: And guess, in fact, you just said that. If you
• 47:38
  Speaker 2: were to ask me, who's the reincarnation of Bill Clinton?
• 47:42
  Speaker 2: As far as a bit aspiration, maybe you say to
• 47:45
  Speaker 2: yourself that person seems a little bit in a hurry,
• 47:48
  Speaker 2: but that the person a little bit in a hurry
• 47:50
  Speaker 2: usually gets rewarded right.
• 47:53
  Speaker 1: Back, Obama, that was the criticism of that.
• 47:55
  Speaker 2: Right asof feels like totally fits that definition. That are
• 48:01
  Speaker 2: better than even Josh Shapiro does you know, there's a
• 48:03
  Speaker 2: part of Shapiro that sometimes there's a fine line between ah,
• 48:11
  Speaker 2: wanting it and trying too hard one hundred.
• 48:15
  Speaker 1: That's always the danger.
• 48:16
  Speaker 2: There's times that I feel like Shapiro has the like
• 48:20
  Speaker 2: I'd have I'd have let other people talk about the
• 48:23
  Speaker 2: role he might have or might not have played with
• 48:26
  Speaker 2: getting Mick Lebron, I found it to be a little
• 48:29
  Speaker 2: bit I did put me.
• 48:31
  Speaker 1: In the story, Yeah, yeah, or like being in the
• 48:34
  Speaker 1: Meek Milvie. You know who does that?
• 48:36
  Speaker 2: It's you know who constantly does that? Donald Trump?
• 48:39
  Speaker 1: Right?
• 48:39
  Speaker 2: Do you really want to be doing what Trump does,
• 48:43
  Speaker 2: trying to get involved in every story that's not about you.
• 48:46
  Speaker 1: It is a good point, like there's you know, there's
• 48:48
  Speaker 1: that great line in spinal tap.
• 48:49
  Speaker 2: There's a fine line between.
• 48:50
  Speaker 1: Clever and stupid. There's a very fine line between like
• 48:55
  Speaker 1: having the inner drive in you know, November of twenty
• 49:01
  Speaker 1: twenty seven at five degree temperatures in Des Moines to
• 49:05
  Speaker 1: get out, get up at six o'clock in the morning
• 49:07
  Speaker 1: and act like everyone you meet is your best friend
• 49:10
  Speaker 1: and showing it off a little too much. No one
• 49:13
  Speaker 1: likes the person who's a tryhard, like.
• 49:16
  Speaker 2: You just don't.
• 49:17
  Speaker 1: And I think Shapiro might give off that vibe like
• 49:20
  Speaker 1: a little bit too much.
• 49:22
  Speaker 2: We'll see, we'll see, Chuck.
• 49:24
  Speaker 1: Anything else that I have a little sports, but anything
• 49:27
  Speaker 1: else you want to make sure we get to other
• 49:30
  Speaker 1: than to again promote Tuesday night, Chuck me decision to
• 49:33
  Speaker 1: s KHQ, Wisconsin, Minnesota, South Carolina, Connecticut. I think Vermont
• 49:38
  Speaker 1: might be might be on Tuesday as well. Anything else
• 49:42
  Speaker 1: that jumps to mine.
• 49:43
  Speaker 2: I mean we didn't do anything on Blanche and Bill Cassidy.
• 49:46
  Speaker 2: I mean that is something. I mean, he's through Cassidy's
• 49:51
  Speaker 2: I confess. I mean it's Lucy in the foot. I
• 49:54
  Speaker 2: am shocked that point.
• 49:56
  Speaker 1: Did you think he was gonna be I just assumed
• 49:58
  Speaker 1: he would be for it, because he's a he's not that.
• 50:01
  Speaker 2: I thought there was enough. I thought Houston, I thought
• 50:05
  Speaker 2: that the following senators Houston in particular Houston Sullivan throwing
• 50:12
  Speaker 2: a rickets. You know that they didn't they they were
• 50:16
  Speaker 2: hoping that Cassidy and Cornyan until Us would do the
• 50:19
  Speaker 2: dirty work for him. Oh totally, that's for sure.
• 50:21
  Speaker 1: That's still true.
• 50:23
  Speaker 2: And I think that that Corny Untilus choked and and
• 50:29
  Speaker 2: wouldn't do it. You know, it's it's a it's astonishing.
• 50:38
  Speaker 2: The rationale Cassidy used in his speech, because the speech
• 50:43
  Speaker 2: arguably was a rationale to vote against confirmation, and it
• 50:49
  Speaker 2: was when your rationale is, well, maybe Bill Barr thinks
• 50:52
  Speaker 2: that maybe the personal relationship means that he has a
• 50:56
  Speaker 2: better chance of of convincing Trump not to do better
• 51:00
  Speaker 2: things was, yeah, we only have ten years of proof.
• 51:03
  Speaker 2: That's not part I mean, I mean it's laughable. And
• 51:07
  Speaker 2: what was Look, I think we both know what happened,
• 51:09
  Speaker 2: and this is the part that doesn't get reported. The
• 51:13
  Speaker 2: personal attacks, the threats to his family, absolutely, threats to
• 51:17
  Speaker 2: his life. Threat you know, I'm sure a bunch of
• 51:21
  Speaker 2: people said, why do you want to? Don't you want
• 51:24
  Speaker 2: to have a compante retirement? You're seventy years old. Don't
• 51:27
  Speaker 2: you want to be invited back to these special events?
• 51:30
  Speaker 2: Don't you want to? And that was used with Tillis,
• 51:33
  Speaker 2: Cornyn and Cassidy. And you know, you're and I know
• 51:37
  Speaker 2: this from conversations I've had with now former Republican senators
• 51:41
  Speaker 2: who have had this conversation with and they're like, you
• 51:43
  Speaker 2: don't understand. I said, Okay, I know, I get attacked
• 51:46
  Speaker 2: a lot. I don't let it change what I do.
• 51:50
  Speaker 2: And I didn't make it. I didn't make a contract
• 51:53
  Speaker 2: with the voters to do what you did. And if
• 51:58
  Speaker 2: you are telling telling me that threats are having that
• 52:04
  Speaker 2: kind of influence on how you vote, because that is
• 52:08
  Speaker 2: what happened here. Oh, I'm sure it's what happened here.
• 52:11
  Speaker 2: You don't want to be.
• 52:12
  Speaker 1: You don't want to be as you're leaving to have
• 52:14
  Speaker 1: the Louisiana Republican Party disown you and like you just
• 52:17
  Speaker 1: got to go out.
• 52:17
  Speaker 2: You're right, except now, hell of a legacy. What's the point?
• 52:22
  Speaker 1: I'm been in a Senate But isn't his speech? You
• 52:25
  Speaker 1: know what I thought of watching his speech shook. It
• 52:27
  Speaker 1: was just like the speech about why he was voting
• 52:29
  Speaker 1: to confirm r FK JR. It was an argument. It
• 52:32
  Speaker 1: was like he had the speech written to say, and
• 52:34
  Speaker 1: I'm going to oppose this nomination with RFK Junior and
• 52:36
  Speaker 1: Blanche and he gave that speech and then just appended
• 52:41
  Speaker 1: and that's why I'm voting for him. It's like, wait,
• 52:43
  Speaker 1: that's your speech was the exact opposite of that. It's
• 52:45
  Speaker 1: very odd to me.
• 52:47
  Speaker 2: It is, And I again, like I said, I I
• 52:51
  Speaker 2: under I understand how awful it is what these people
• 52:55
  Speaker 2: do and what they did to you know, what happened
• 52:58
  Speaker 2: that missus tillis what happened you know what happens to
• 53:02
  Speaker 2: their kids, their adult children, their friends. I mean, the
• 53:07
  Speaker 2: harassment that MAGA makes of these people. It's very real,
• 53:10
  Speaker 2: There's no question it's it's terrible, and I understand the
• 53:14
  Speaker 2: mindset of but you know, you chose to be in
• 53:19
  Speaker 2: public services, which means you chose to put the public
• 53:23
  Speaker 2: ahead of your family. And if you won't put the
• 53:26
  Speaker 2: public interest ahead of your own family interest, get out
• 53:30
  Speaker 2: of politics, get the f out. You are not qualified
• 53:35
  Speaker 2: to be in public service if you can't do that.
• 53:38
  Speaker 1: Yep, I totally agree. I will. I don't know why,
• 53:42
  Speaker 1: but it reminded me of my favorite Trump quote from
• 53:44
  Speaker 1: this past week. He did an interview with punch Bowl
• 53:46
  Speaker 1: Jake Sherman, and he said Jake was like, why why
• 53:49
  Speaker 1: are Republicans doing so badly? And Trump said, voters are
• 53:52
  Speaker 1: angry at the Republicans, not angry at me, by the way,
• 53:55
  Speaker 1: I mean, by the way.
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  Speaker 2: More proof point one thousand of what I said. He
• 54:00
  Speaker 2: does not care about the future of the Republican Party.
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  Speaker 2: And I have to tell you, is he going to
• 54:05
  Speaker 2: write checks?
• 54:09
  Speaker 1: We're going to spend off the four hundred million dollars
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  Speaker 1: that's in the magnetic superpack.
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  Speaker 2: You know. He sounded like a guy that's like, yeah,
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  Speaker 2: good luck with turn out in Iowa.
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  Speaker 1: I don't I don't see it. He has never been
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  Speaker 1: someone who supports things that are not in his own directors, and.
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  Speaker 2: He thinks it's better for his brand if he's the
• 54:25
  Speaker 2: only Republican left.
• 54:27
  Speaker 1: And this is my argument about it. I think you
• 54:29
  Speaker 1: can make a case that if you gave Donald Trump
• 54:31
  Speaker 1: true sermon and said would you rather have a Republican
• 54:34
  Speaker 1: replace you were a Democrat, he would probably say We're
• 54:36
  Speaker 1: a Democrat. I mean, I really believe that.
• 54:37
  Speaker 2: That's just when I was out.
• 54:44
  Speaker 1: Seven game losing streak trades, the Washington Nationals pull me
• 54:49
  Speaker 1: back in Chuck.
• 54:50
  Speaker 2: We sweep the Reds.
• 54:51
  Speaker 1: We've now won five of six. We are three and
• 54:54
  Speaker 1: a half games out of the last.
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  Speaker 2: Me on Thursday, Wake me on Thursday.
• 54:57
  Speaker 1: So you want to see how the CUB series goes.
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  Speaker 2: We're going to be good teams. Correct. We have been
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  Speaker 2: very consistent. I'm with you. We beat the best the
• 55:05
  Speaker 2: only team in the playoff hunt that we have owned
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  Speaker 2: is the Diamondbacks. I was gonna say, das yep, and
• 55:12
  Speaker 2: they're still in it, right yep, other.
• 55:15
  Speaker 1: Than you signed Zach Lttel our cast off.
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  Speaker 2: I mean, shoot, we were head neck and neck with
• 55:20
  Speaker 2: the Marlins, and the Marlins had us, right yep. We're
• 55:26
  Speaker 2: We did beat the Guardians and they're obviously in play
• 55:30
  Speaker 2: Central Division.
• 55:34
  Speaker 1: Then we lost seven in a row to the Dodgers
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  Speaker 1: in the Phillies.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, I mean every time we have clearly played a
• 55:40
  Speaker 2: team on the next level above us, Yes, you know
• 55:45
  Speaker 2: we've We've gotten our butts handed to us, Yes we have.
• 55:47
  Speaker 1: Well, I can't resist. I'm a sucker. I can't no.
• 55:51
  Speaker 2: I mean I was pleased, and you know it's funny.
• 55:55
  Speaker 2: I'm gonna I say this because I'm just a baseball
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  Speaker 2: historian nut too, and what is wrong with that Red
• 56:04
  Speaker 2: Lake franchise. The Cincinnati Reds are a foundational team, arguably
• 56:08
  Speaker 2: the oldest team in Major League Baseball. I mean when
• 56:11
  Speaker 2: they're growing up, the big machine, I mean right, yea,
• 56:13
  Speaker 2: the big Red Machine. But it's not just that. You know,
• 56:16
  Speaker 2: remember they used to be opening you know, they they
• 56:18
  Speaker 2: always first pitch was always Cincinnati, right, It was just
• 56:22
  Speaker 2: they were the original game. And yeah they had crappy
• 56:29
  Speaker 2: ownership with March Shot and all that stuff, which you
• 56:31
  Speaker 2: have to go in the way back machine on that.
• 56:33
  Speaker 2: But I just, you know, there's a lot of pieces
• 56:37
  Speaker 2: to this version of the Reds that are pretty good,
• 56:41
  Speaker 2: but they can't seem to put it all together.
• 56:43
  Speaker 1: Some does not equal the parts. Elie de la Cruz
• 56:47
  Speaker 1: and this guy they may have, I mean the guy
• 56:49
  Speaker 1: Sam Spencer's his name is Salam Stewart, sal Stewart whatever.
• 56:54
  Speaker 1: He's having like an incredible rookie sees twenty five and runs.
• 56:57
  Speaker 2: But yeah, they just they got two pitchers. Granted Hunter
• 57:00
  Speaker 2: Green just went on the IL and might be the
• 57:02
  Speaker 2: other guy, Chase Burns now thirteen and two. I mean,
• 57:05
  Speaker 2: they have pieces. We were the first team to.
• 57:09
  Speaker 1: The Tarrot, like manager Chuck they needed.
• 57:13
  Speaker 2: They've got Tito Frank, I know, you know it's funny
• 57:18
  Speaker 2: you bring up Tito. You know, I wonder if it's
• 57:22
  Speaker 2: finally passed him by.
• 57:23
  Speaker 1: I know he's I hate saying that I love the sixties.
• 57:27
  Speaker 2: I love the guy. Yes, And in fact, I have
• 57:30
  Speaker 2: an old baseball card of his old man who did
• 57:32
  Speaker 2: go by Tito. It was this old man that went
• 57:34
  Speaker 2: by Tito. He went by Terry when he played Terry,
• 57:37
  Speaker 2: and then he became Tito. I think after his I
• 57:40
  Speaker 2: love him, Yeah.
• 57:41
  Speaker 1: I love he's He is a great human.
• 57:43
  Speaker 2: I think he's old school, you know, he's sort of
• 57:46
  Speaker 2: more of that generation of like Buck Show Walter. You
• 57:50
  Speaker 2: might even say, who was the Giants manager for all
• 57:55
  Speaker 2: those titles?
• 57:57
  Speaker 1: Oh yeah, yeah, with the giant head, with the sure
• 58:00
  Speaker 1: he was yeah friendly, but Phil, no, I know exactly
• 58:04
  Speaker 1: what you're talking about. I can see if Bruce Bochie,
• 58:06
  Speaker 1: Bruce Bochy, you know he had a giant head. He
• 58:10
  Speaker 1: has like the last of those strategists right totally.
• 58:13
  Speaker 2: Where now it's a little we've got a.
• 58:15
  Speaker 1: We've got a thirty four year old analytics.
• 58:18
  Speaker 2: Driven They do and did you see him talk the
• 58:20
  Speaker 2: other night? They do scenarios. Okay, if we have one
• 58:23
  Speaker 2: out and there's a man on second, what are we
• 58:24
  Speaker 2: going to do and how are we going to do this?
• 58:26
  Speaker 2: Like they have all their scenarios pre programmed. I mean
• 58:30
  Speaker 2: it's worked, and it is. We're a lot better than
• 58:33
  Speaker 2: we have been, Chuck, I, like I said, I feel
• 58:36
  Speaker 2: like the Nats are prepared every night. The problem I
• 58:40
  Speaker 2: have is is it's a little too moneyballish, and I
• 58:45
  Speaker 2: think they don't fount I worry they don't value pictures.
• 58:48
  Speaker 1: And there's no like eyeball test. It's like purely moneyball.
• 58:52
  Speaker 1: It's like we're always going to play. If it's a
• 58:54
  Speaker 1: lefty pitching, we're batting, alrighty, it's a ready pitching, we're
• 58:56
  Speaker 1: bat left all right.
• 58:57
  Speaker 2: I got to go.
• 58:58
  Speaker 1: I will be on on the TV box, so I
• 59:00
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• 59:26
  Speaker 2: all right for everybody, take care of Thanks Chuck, See
• 59:28
  Speaker 2: you tonight.