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"Ace(tominophen) In the Whole" (Wednesday September 24, 2025, Hour 4) · First Thing Today with Joe Thomas

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  Speaker 3: To that happening.
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  Speaker 2: Joining us now from the pages of USA Today, Well
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  not really, but he's a contributor really from the Cato Institute.
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  One of the great operations for thought and objective thought
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  and looking at all things from all positions, especially personal liberty,
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  is doctor Jeffrey Singer. And in USA today Trump Kennedy
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  overreach on Tiland all but don't go far enough on
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  drug regulations and talking about obviously President Trump and HHS
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  Secretary Kennedy's announcement the other day, Doctor Singer, thank you
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  for taking some time out with us this morning. How
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  are you doing, sir, good?
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  Speaker 4: Thank you, pleasure to be here.
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  Speaker 2: So when you say overreach on Thailand all, just so,
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  the background is the president and the advisement is that
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  they have seen some correlation to pregnant women taking Thailand all.
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  So they're going to rewrite the warning labels on Thailand
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  all and wanted to be overseen by a doctor, as
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  I remember the press conference from the other day, if
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  they need to take it during pregnancy, So take us
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  through what you mean by overreach on Thailand all.
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  Speaker 4: Yeah.
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  Speaker 5: Well, for at least twenty years or so, there's been
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  a lot of research looking into whether or not taking
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  colin Old during pregnancy can be responsible for neurodevelopmental problems,
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  which includes things like ADHD and autism. And you know,
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  that's not a not an unreasonable question to ask. We
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  know for years that different medications taken during pregnancy can
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  cause birth defects. Smoking and alcohol can cause you know,
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  birth defects.
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  Speaker 4: So it's not crazy to ask the question.
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  Speaker 5: And the answer is so far and there's been a
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  lot of research done that we just don't know for sure.
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  There's been one recent review of about forty six different
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  studies that said, on balance, more of them show there
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  is an association, not a causation. But then again in
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  another really huge quality study done out of Sweden, looked
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  at two and a half million people, followed them between
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  nineteen ninety five and twenty and twenty nineteen, and then
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  did another follow up in twenty twenty one, and this
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  one controlled for siblings and found no association whatsoever. So
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  and the American Cousin of Obstetrics Andologists has been saying
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  for a long time, Look, we don't know, it's something
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  to think about, but fever, high fever during pregnancy is
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  also very risky, and we recommend.
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  Speaker 4: If you have a high fever to use talentel.
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  Speaker 5: But used very judiciously since there are questions about it,
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  and the benefits out weigh the risks those circumstances. So
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  when suddenly the federal government weighs in by saying we're
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  putting a warning label, they're basically influencing what the scientists
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  are doing. They're also going to be pouring more research
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  dollars into studying this. Now, we've learned from experience, including
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  with the disastrous food pyramid that came out in the
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  nineteen seventies, that when government starts stepping in, it influences
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  and distorts the whole research agenda, because you know, you're
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  not going to get a grant if your project is
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  going to disagree with what the government wants you to find.
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  And and the researchers are doing just fine here.
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  Speaker 4: All of the information we have on this has.
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  Speaker 5: Been done by researches clinical and uh and non clinical
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  researches in medical schools and the academy. We don't need
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  the government to put it stune on a scale. So
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  so I just think they shouldn't have done that. And
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  the other issue that was mentioned in the announcement on
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  Monday night was that there's this, there's this medication called
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  luco wren, which basically stimulates it's it's it's B vitamin
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  and it stimulates full of acid production.
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  Speaker 4: And and we do.
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  Speaker 5: Know that a significant number of children ball with autism
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  seem to have a deficiency in it.
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  Speaker 4: So, uh, for a while, they've been.
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  Speaker 5: Clinical studies seeing maybe this helps, and some clinicians have
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  reported that it does seem to help improve symptoms in
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  some children with autism. So you could already legally prescribe
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  it for that. It's a relatively safe medicine, and prescribing
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  that is called off label because when the FDA approves
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  as draw, they approve it for use in.
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  Speaker 4: A particular things, they have to test it for effurcacy.
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  Speaker 5: So there's nothing illegal about prescribing lucal learn for autism.
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  And doctors are some doctors are doing it.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah what doctor Singer Trump, Dr say, I'm running up
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  And when we come back from break and we and
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  what Kennedy and President Trump announced, and it seemed to me,
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  doctor Singer, that I recall back in nineteen ninety nine,
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  Speaker 17: But.
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  Speaker 2: It comes across my bow. In nineteen ninety nine and
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  a lot of questions were being raised about vaccines, and
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  one of the most common answers I received from physicians
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  like yourself was that it's in many cases looks to
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  be and this was still very early in research into it,
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  that the immune systems of the infants that were getting
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  the vaccines, and the young children getting the vaccines were
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  compromised in a way that gave them adverse reactions to
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  the vaccines that they were receiving and in the way
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  they were receiving them. And I walked away from that saying, well,
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  I don't know about that. But now I'm hearing this
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  coming around here twenty five years later, and I'm thinking, well,
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  folly acid and the health of the baby and the
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  immune system development. Can you jump those that quarters century
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  Speaker 5: No, actually, no, there's been no evidence whatsoever of any
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  association between vaccines and autism. I mean it has been
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  studied at nauseum. The original study in the Lancet in
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  the nineteen nineties that's by a Wakefield that sparked the
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  whole discussion has been discredited and retracted, and Wakefield actually
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  lost his license to practice medicine. But Secretary Kennedy keeps
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  citing them. The thing is that there is evidence. We
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  do know that a significant number of children with autism
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  seem to have a fulic acid folate deficiency. So it's
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  not crazy to think, Gee, if we give these kids
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  loogle worm.
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  Speaker 4: May that help?
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  Speaker 5: And there is some evidence, not at all conclusive, but
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  there is some evidence suges it might and it said
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  relatively harmless B vitamin related medicine. So there's nothing wrong
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  with giving a try, but doing so is what they
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  call off label. So, as your listeners know, with the ibermectin,
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  for example, when you wanted since the nineties, up until
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  the nineteen sixties, in order to get a drug approved
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  to market, you had to convince the FDA that it
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  was definitely safe and that you labeled it correctly so people.
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  Speaker 4: Knew how to use it, and that was it.
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  Speaker 5: But then starting in the sixties, you had to also
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  convince them that it worked for whatever condition you.
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  Speaker 4: Put on your application, and that added about ten years
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  and you know, millions.
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  Speaker 5: And millions of dollars to the approval process, which delayed
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  getting these medicines to people and also increased the price
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  that they charged so prescribing it. But once it's approved
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  for whatever condition it was on the application, doctors could
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  use it for anything their clinical judgment you know, suggests,
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  and that's called off label use.
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  Speaker 4: It's not on what it was approved for.
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  Speaker 5: Well about twenty percent of drugs prescribed in this country
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  are prescribed for off label uses, and in many cases
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  the insurance companies cover it, but they don't have to
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  because it's off label. So, because there are some doctors
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  prescribing lucal vorn for autism and there's clinical studies underway,
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  that Secretary Kennedy wants to accelerate the labeling to make
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  it on label, and I don't have any problems with that,
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  but I just think that's not very bold. The boldest
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  thing to do is to get rid of this off
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  this efficacy requirement that's been around since the sixties, because
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  first of all, not only is it delay drugs coming.
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  Speaker 4: To people, but think about it makes no sense.
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  Speaker 5: A doctor has to wait sometimes ten years for the
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  FDA will prove it for the doctor to prescribe for
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  condition A.
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  Speaker 4: Which was on the application.
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  Speaker 5: But as far as the FDA is concerned, once it's
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  a proof of condition A, you could press describe it.
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  Speaker 4: For conditions B through Z. Doctor. I mean, you're the doctor,
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  use your judgment.
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  Speaker 5: Okay, well, well then why couldn't I use my judgment
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  for A as well?
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  Speaker 4: I mean they make base.
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  Speaker 5: These decisions on what I'm reading in the research literature
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  and when I'm learning, when I go medical conferences and
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  things like that. So you trust me for everything else?
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  Why did I have to wait for that? So I
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  have no objections with accelerating the labeling process for Luca Moren,
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  But why not do that for everyone?
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  Speaker 4: Just not? Why not just.
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  Speaker 5: Get rid of the efficacy requirement and just make it
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  a safety requirement?
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  Speaker 2: Well, and I think less government in this whole thing
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  is would make things better for parents' choice on this, uh,
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  doctor Singer, And you know you're talking about, you know,
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  getting discredited and losing licenses, But doctor Paul Marrick of
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  the Frontline COVID nineteen Critical Care Alliance and doctor Pierre
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  Corey both you know, had that happen to them for
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  off label applications of ivermectinto COVID nineteen patients in their emergencies,
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  and doctor Merrick here in Virginia. Trust me, I've had
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  my YouTube channel closed down three times for having them on.
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  But but that being said, one of the things that
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  eats at me is the overall and I think Kennedy
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  gets at this in general under Maha, if you will,
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  is that I don't think anything happens in isolation. So
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  it's not just the health of the fetus, it's the
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  health of the mother that's carrying the fetus. And and
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  and we go cycle after cycle where we get less
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  and less healthy as a rule. And and maybe is
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  that feeding some of the statistics regarding increased autism.
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  Speaker 5: Doctor Singer, well, there there are a couple of There
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  are many things, But first of all, the diagnosis has changed.
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  When I was a medical student in the seventies, autism
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  was these extreme cases of like children who were nonverbal,
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  who are sitting in the corner room rocking.
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  Speaker 4: That was autism.
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  Speaker 5: Then starting in the eighties, researcher named Asperger said, you
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  know what, it's really not just that.
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  Speaker 4: There's like a whole spectrum. So over the years we went.
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  Speaker 5: From autism all the way to autism spectrum disorder. And
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  that gets very subjective because a lot of people that
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  we used to just think were kind of strange and
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  maybe antisocial, we're now saying, you know what, there they
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  have autism spectrum disorder. There's also increased awareness and screening
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  in this country, unlike in Europe, school psychologists screen for it,
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  parents bring their children into pediatricians, and you actually get
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  sometimes there's economic incentives to making the diagnosis, because if
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  a child is diagnosed with it, they sometimes are eligible
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  for all sorts of health insurance benefits, for school benefits
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  and the like.
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  Speaker 4: But on top of.
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  Speaker 5: That, we have known, and that this has been known
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  for years, that the older woman is when she becomes pregnant,
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  the greater likelihood there is of the child having autism
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  that we know, and not just that, but of a
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  lot of other neurope anomal developmental disorders. And and women
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  have been getting having children later and later in life recently.
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  Speaker 4: That's not that's to do with you know, social, social
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  and economic.
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  Speaker 5: Changes in society. And as recently as the most recent
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  data from twenty twenty three from the CDC, one in
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  five pregnancies that year where women over the age of
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  thirty five. So that's got to be contributing to So
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  we have women having having pregnancies later in life. We
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  have the whole diagnosis has been expanded dramatically so that
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  what was called autism, uh, you know, it's called autism
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  today wasn't called autism ten years ago.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, And it sounds like a perfect storm is growing
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  in the in the issue of that.
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  TITL and all, but don't go far enough on drug regulations. Doctor.
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  think the biggest question that I have so, how do
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  we get to a place where we can actually start
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  to come up with an answer, doctor Singer.
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  Speaker 5: If there is an answer, well, if it's like most
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  things in medicine, we're going to find out that it's
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  we call multi factorial. That you know, it's not clear cut,
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  it's not like a causes b It depends on a
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  bunch of different circumstances, like you say, a perfect storm
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  lining up all at the same time, and it maybe.
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  Speaker 4: Different in different people. I mean we see that all
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  Speaker 4: So doctor has to try a different one or add
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  Speaker 5: It's not like you're dealing with machines where you know
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  it's black and white.
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  Speaker 4: It's it's always kind of predictable things.
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  Speaker 3: Yeah.
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  Speaker 2: Is that the danger of bringing the government into it?
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  I mean, get it opens the door to this eugenics
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  seems like we're getting more and more health out of
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  the government. Go back to Obamacare and all of that,
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  and I just I get disquieted regardless of which political
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  Speaker 5: Yeah, well, that's what happens when you have I mean,
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  Speaker 4: Yeah, particularly when.
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  Speaker 5: You try to spell it out in statute and regulation,
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  you can't have it doesn't kind of allow for lots
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  And that's what leads to these problems. That's why you
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, pain medicine your doctor somebody else's Yeah.
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  Speaker 2: I think that's the biggest that's the biggest illness we
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  fifty one percent of whoever turned out for an election
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  voted for something, I guess it must be what everyone wants.
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  Doctor Singer, bless you for what you do at CATO,
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  Speaker 4: Thank you very much, you too, Bye bye.
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  Speaker 2: So this text comes in from hamp Down on the
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  then can build up an immunity to it, or at
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  They've got to pay their employees, they've got to pay
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  their electric bills. That's not an unfair thing. But then
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  K Street is the street of that racket. They put
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  the business, and all these things big medicine, big pharma,
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  K Street, Big Union, big labor, all of these bigs
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  Speaker 2: Oh it is there, doctor Clark. You're still there on
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  it's something that I sense is is going on, uh,
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  doctor car So I appreciate the uh, the share on
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  Speaker 21: Take a look at that, and like I say, if
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  Speaker 4: Okay.
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  Speaker 21: Now you were talking earlier or just before I called,
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  Speaker 21: We moved into you know, supposed to be capitalism then
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  Curney capitalism. We've moved into a corporative state period, and
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  the giant corporations. The government wanted to regulate and control them,
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  and they decided, no, we don't want to be regulated
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  by you.
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  Speaker 4: We're going to regulate y'all.
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  Speaker 21: And they went and they bought influence where they needed it.
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  And yeah, they want regulation that benefits them at every turn.
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  Speaker 2: It's interesting, you know, because I'm going to follow up
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  on what you said. I want to pick up on it.
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  I don't want to lose it. And uh and if
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  you've got more, please hang on to it, stick a
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  pin in it. But what you said just brings up
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  a point. We talked about Mussolini and fascism and how
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  he took over the means of production. That is the
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  definition of fascism is that the government, the government controls
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  all aspects of life, and they took over all these
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  companies in Italy, in America, corporatism, as you mentioned it,
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  it's sort of the other way around. It's it's the
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  businesses taking over the government.
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  Speaker 21: Yes, and you know, here's the thing, it's the exact opposite.
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  But for you and me, it's the exact same.
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  Speaker 2: Well, the outcome is the same, right, which would you know?
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  As you said, the outcome is the same of you know,
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  fascism or corporatism. At any rate, the government and the
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  corporations are determining what you have. And the bigger it gets,
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  the harder it is for us to have a voice.
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  Speaker 4: Right, Yeah, no, you can't go to day.
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  Speaker 21: They're making vices that may I gotta get.
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  Speaker 2: Right, all right, go heal some animals, because remember, they
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  can't tell you where it hurts. Four three four eight
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  A two four two one seven. I'm gonna get emails
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  about that. Sure they can dogs, cats, horses, they can
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  tell you where it hurts. And I do believe that.
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  I mean, it was just had a loss in our
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  animal family. And you can tell, you can tell in
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  the in the litter mate that the sibling was hit
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  by a car, and you know, so the I get it. Yeah,
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  they can, but they can't say, hey, doc, it hurts
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  when I do this, you know. And of course then
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  the veterinarian says, then don't do that. But here's the
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  thing about the fear, and this is a Jeffersonian thing.
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  Jefferson wrote it into the Declaration of Independence, and I
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  believe it is out of Locke as well, because Locke
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  knew that when he was writing and kind of founding
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  and fomenting the Enlightenment, it wasn't going to be popular,
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  and so the concept was laid out. Listen, we get it.
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  You have figured out how to live in the system,
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  and so it is challenging for you to look and
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  say is this right or is this wrong? And for
• 48:45
  the first time, I think in my broadcast career, the
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  ability to see absolute without real concern this is wrong
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  is becoming easier, the cloud pity of it. For example,
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  trans quick promo here, since I said the word go online,
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  we've had a bunch of entries already coming in for
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  the tickets to the Trans Siberian Orchestra, the only trans
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  I promote on this program. Trans Siberian Orchestra going to
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  the sound of my voice, different places, Jacksonville, Florida, San Francisco,
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  that kind of thing. So we have Colorado Springs, Youngstown, Ohio,
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  Now let's go to the other trans issue. So the
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  trans issue everyone likes to say and maybe I'm weird.
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  You tell me at four three, four eight eight two
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  four two one seven, Am I weird for being able
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  to say? Listen, if somebody comes along and says, I
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  really hate who I am, that's indicative of something that's
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  not gee. I wonder if you know, hating yourself and
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  that's not the same thing of having guilt about something
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  or but a true despot over your own physicality, a
• 50:43
  hatred of who you are, regardless of where it came from,
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  is something that needs to be dealt with. And it's
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  like I was saying to doctor Singer about autism. But
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  I think in general, our societal malaise comes from a
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  lot of factors, some of it easy to diagnose. So like,
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  if you hate yourself, we need to sit down and
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  have a talk. If you hate your family, if you
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  hate all these hate, it in and of itself is
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  something that needs to be dealt with with love. I
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  think that's what Erica Kirk said on Sunday. The only
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  combat for hate, even self hate, is love. But we
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  turn to the government because then part of our mind
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  is that while somebody else is dealing with it, I'll
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  go find an expert, because we've been gas lit to
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  the point where we are sure that we don't have
• 51:50
  the capability to figure all this stuff out. So while
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  that gaslighting is going on, you know, then the the
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  government officials are sneaking out the back door on us.
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  So just you know, this is about your individual rights
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  and the philosophy that you are created amazing and that
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  you are the ones that can do all things. And
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  if you don't believe you can, then we need to
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  fix that.
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  Speaker 3: There's a common hope.
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  Speaker 2: So as we part ways, remember tomorrow morning, same time,
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  same channel. Until then, I am Joe Thomas here Talk
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  Media Network four three four eight A two four two
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  one seven, write it down, so long and thanks for
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