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El Camino Christmas with Cerise Castle · The Bechdel Cast

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  Speaker 1: Attention Bechtel cast listeners. It's me Caitlin and and me
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  Speaker 1: Jamie and guess what what? Wait? Shall we say it together? One? Two, three,
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  Speaker 1: We're going on to tour. That'll sink in the ad
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  Speaker 1: eventually imagine that, but with more enthusiasm because we're very excited.
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  Speaker 1: We haven't gone on to work in three human years.
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  Speaker 1: That's twenty one dog years. Wow, that's so true. I
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  Speaker 1: am really good at math. So and put a pen
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  Speaker 1: and dog because that's going to come back in a
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  Speaker 1: few seconds. But for now, we're going to just tell
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  Speaker 1: you some preliminary facts about the tour. It's on the
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  Speaker 1: West coast of the United States, so we're going everyone else.
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  Speaker 1: So we're starting in Los Angeles Ever heard of it?
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  Speaker 1: With a show on January at the Alesion Theater the
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  Speaker 1: movie Get and that's where the Dog comes back in
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  Speaker 1: because it's and it is a dog coming of age movie.
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  Speaker 1: It is a goofy movie. We've got been getting requests
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  Speaker 1: from this since the beginning, and it's finally time to
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  Speaker 1: cover a goofy movie. We can't wait, a coming of
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  Speaker 1: age dog movie. Can you believe it? Can you believe it?
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  Speaker 1: Then we are going to be scooting scooting on up
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  Speaker 1: on foot I believe Caitlin and I will be hiking. Oh,
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  Speaker 1: that's why there's a bit of a gap all the
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  Speaker 1: way to San Francisco for San Francisco Sketch Festival. We've
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  Speaker 1: done it before. If you've been before, come out again.
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  Speaker 1: That's on February one. And where is that, Caitlin. That's
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  Speaker 1: at the Gateway Theater in San Francisco, and we are
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  Speaker 1: covering George of the Jungle. Sorry, sorry, sorry, George, George
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  Speaker 1: George Jungle. Uh. And then guess what, We're continuing to
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  Speaker 1: scoot on up to Portland, Oregon. We will be at
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  Speaker 1: Curious Comedy Theater and a theater we love. We're doing
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  Speaker 1: two shows in Portland. The first is with the wonderful
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  Speaker 1: Sarah Marshall of You're Wrong About and You Are Good.
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  Speaker 1: We're going to be covering the Goonies. And then at
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  Speaker 1: nine pm, Caitlin, what did tell me more? Okay? Also,
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  Speaker 1: this is on February twod oh ship, did I not
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  Speaker 1: say that? Groundhog Day? But don't think about the movie
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  Speaker 1: groundhog Day because that has nothing to do with our tour.
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  Speaker 1: We covered that, we did it already. Sorry bitch. Six
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  Speaker 1: years ago. Okay, so first shows at seven pm with
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  Speaker 1: Sarah Marshall the Goonies. Second show is at nine pm.
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  Speaker 1: It is a surprise mystery guest and a surprise mystery movie.
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  Speaker 1: It's going to be a banger. I'm very excited. Come
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  Speaker 1: to one, come to both, come to both. None of
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  Speaker 1: my business, but it will be different, different shows. And
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  Speaker 1: then finally we are scooting on up, continuing our journey
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  Speaker 1: on foot to Seattle. And on February five, we're doing
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  Speaker 1: a show at Laughs Comedy Club and we are covering
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  Speaker 1: the Goonies again because guess what, it's hard work to
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  Speaker 1: do a tour and it's a lot to do a
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  Speaker 1: bunch of different movies. So well, yeah it's we're doing
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  Speaker 1: Pacific Northwest Classics. And so if you're in Seattle, come
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  Speaker 1: on up for for the Goonies in Seattle. And yeah,
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  Speaker 1: we're really excited to go. We're really excited to see
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  Speaker 1: everybody again. Um, we will have merch for you. We
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  Speaker 1: sell exclusive posters and stuff like that, designed by Jamie,
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  Speaker 1: the one and only designed by Mrs Jamie herself. Yeah,
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  Speaker 1: we can't wait to see you and hang out. And uh,
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  Speaker 1: it's been eighty four years since it's been eighty four years,
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  Speaker 1: really makes you think. So what you're gonna do is
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  Speaker 1: go to our link tree, which is it's always so
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  Speaker 1: weird to say the link of link tree because it's
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  Speaker 1: l I n K t R dot E E flash
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  Speaker 1: by actual cast and that's where each of the ticket
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  Speaker 1: links will be to buy tickets for our shows. We
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  Speaker 1: love you so much. We're really excited. Get your tickets now,
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  Speaker 1: because they are actually genuinely going fast. Usually when I
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  Speaker 1: say that, I'm lying, but this time I'm really not.
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  Speaker 1: This time it's true, And yeah, brag. Our tickets are
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  Speaker 1: moving fast, so you're gonna want to grab them soon,
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  Speaker 1: all right, and we'll see you there, West Coast, see
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  Speaker 1: you there. On the Bell Cast, the questions asked if
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  Speaker 1: movies have women and um, are all their discussions just
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  Speaker 1: boyfriends and husbands or do they have individualism? The patriarchy?
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  Speaker 1: Zef in best start changing it with the Bell Cast.
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  Speaker 1: Knock knock, Hello, Hi, it's me your son Jamie. Oh um,
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  Speaker 1: what I don't have any children. I'm Tim Allen and
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  Speaker 1: I'm mad. Yeah your TV and films, Tim, Tim Allen,
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  Speaker 1: I'm your son. Okay, Well, I what do you want
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  Speaker 1: this is going. Well. There. You know, what I want
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  Speaker 1: is maybe narratively unclear, So I think a relationship with you.
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  Speaker 1: I'm not really quite sure. It's going to change several
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  Speaker 1: times over the next seventy five minutes, but we'll sort
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  Speaker 1: of land on. It has something to do with your
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  Speaker 1: feelings from Vietnam. We'll figure it out. I think I
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  Speaker 1: want a relationship with you, even though you're horrible. And
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  Speaker 1: also I want a nice little son. I want a
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  Speaker 1: nice little son on my own. Cool. Welcome to the
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  Speaker 1: Bechtel Cast. I think that went extraordinarily well. My name
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  Speaker 1: is Jamie Loftus, my name is Caitlin Darante, and this
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  Speaker 1: is our show where we examine movies through an intersectional
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  Speaker 1: feminist lens, using the Bechtel test simply as a jumping
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  Speaker 1: off point. What is the Bechtel test, though, Jamie, my son, Well,
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  Speaker 1: I guess that what we just did technically didn't I don't.
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  Speaker 1: Actually it's complicated. Actually you identified as Tim Alan, so
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  Speaker 1: it doesn't pass. Okay. We use it as a jumping
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  Speaker 1: off point for discussion, not the be all and end
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  Speaker 1: all of anything, including this show. But the version that
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  Speaker 1: we use requires that two people of a marginalized gender
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  Speaker 1: with names speak to each other about something other than
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  Speaker 1: a man for more than two lines of dialogue, and
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  Speaker 1: it should be narratively impactful. Ideally, this movie, this movie
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  Speaker 1: is a head scratcher in uh, more ways than one.
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  Speaker 1: Are there women talking? Yes, what's going on? I'm never clear.
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  Speaker 1: We're not sure. Horny mom when horny mom and I
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  Speaker 1: was like, that's her mom there. I thought they were roommate.
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  Speaker 1: That's her mom. That's her mom. I do love a
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  Speaker 1: good horny mom character call me, you know, throw me
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  Speaker 1: in a garbage can. But a good old fashioned horny mom.
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  Speaker 1: I'm laughing. I support it, but not at this one,
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  Speaker 1: because this movie is horrible. We have an amazing guest
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  Speaker 1: to talk about this incredible piece of cinema. Yes, a
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  Speaker 1: returning guest from the episode on what is that movie?
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  Speaker 1: Even called Den of Thieves starting the Phantom of the
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  Speaker 1: Opera himself. Yes. Uh. She's a reporter and writer of
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  Speaker 1: the investigative series entitled A Tradition of Violence The History
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  Speaker 1: of Deputy Gangs in the Los Angeles County Sheriff's Department,
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  Speaker 1: which was published in Knock l A. She's also the
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  Speaker 1: host of the podcast also called a tradition of violence.
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  Speaker 1: It's Sires Castle, welcome back. Hey, thanks so much for
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  Speaker 1: having me, and thanks so much for indulging in copaganda.
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  Speaker 1: There's truly no one we would rather talk to add
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  Speaker 1: on this specific cursed subject. Absolutely. So. The movie we're
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  Speaker 1: covering today is called El Camino Christmas from But before
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  Speaker 1: we get into the discussion of that, Sires, we just
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  Speaker 1: wanted to talk to you about your investigative work, your podcast. Yeah,
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  Speaker 1: specifically about like adapting this amazing series you wrote for
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  Speaker 1: knock into podcast format. So for people who haven't started
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  Speaker 1: listening to a Tradition of Violence, set us up. What's
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  Speaker 1: the show about? Yeah, so, the show is about these
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  Speaker 1: secret criminal gangs that are operating inside of the Los
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  Speaker 1: Angeles County Sheriff's Department. I've been investigating these deputy gangs
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  Speaker 1: for the past two years, and I have uncovered twenty
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  Speaker 1: different criminal gangs inside of the l A County Sheriff's Department.
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  Speaker 1: They're at different locations throughout Los Angeles County, UM sometimes
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  Speaker 1: even operating at multiple locations. One single gang they have
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  Speaker 1: killed at least nineteen people. The figures are probably a
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  Speaker 1: lot higher than that, but it's incredibly difficult to hunt
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  Speaker 1: out a lot of this and for me and because
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  Speaker 1: of UM laws surrounding disclosures around police information. UM, but
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  Speaker 1: we do know they've killed at least nineteen people. Um.
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  Speaker 1: All of those people were people of color, seven of
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  Speaker 1: them were in the midst of a mental health crisis.
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  Speaker 1: And the podcast is digging into who exactly these deputy
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  Speaker 1: gangs are, where they come from, and why it is
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  Speaker 1: they do what they do. It's like, it's truly like
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  Speaker 1: the original series at Knock is so incredible as well
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  Speaker 1: and has had um for listeners who don't live in
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  Speaker 1: the l A area or are unaware of it has
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  Speaker 1: had such a huge impact on l A and I
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  Speaker 1: think like across the country and beyond of just your
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  Speaker 1: incredible work uncovering this and opening people's eyes to what
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  Speaker 1: is going on publicly funded right in front of them.
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  Speaker 1: So for the podcast, UM, I guess, how did how
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  Speaker 1: did you go about expanding on that work and like
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  Speaker 1: what were your kind of goals in or like, because
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  Speaker 1: it was coming out over a year later, what has
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  Speaker 1: it been like kind of bringing this work to this format.
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  Speaker 1: It's been a lot of fun. It's been really great
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  Speaker 1: being able to put a lot of these stories in
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  Speaker 1: audio form and having people be able to hear directly
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  Speaker 1: from the people that have been impacted by this deputy
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  Speaker 1: gang violence. There's a lot of stuff that I've uncovered
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  Speaker 1: in the year and a half since publishing the series
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  Speaker 1: that are also included in this podcast. For example, UM,
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  Speaker 1: when I wrote the initial series, I only knew about
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  Speaker 1: eighteen deputy gangs, but since then, I've been able to
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  Speaker 1: uncover two more UM with the help of some really
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  Speaker 1: great UM sources that I've been able to develop. And
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  Speaker 1: the really unfortunate part is that I have been able
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  Speaker 1: to connect a lot more acts of deputy violence to
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  Speaker 1: these gangs, which is really awful and tragic to see
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  Speaker 1: play out in data. But at the same time, it
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  Speaker 1: also confirms for a lot of people that have been
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  Speaker 1: talking about this for generations, things that they've been saying
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  Speaker 1: and no one has really been paying attention to. There
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  Speaker 1: are a lot of things like that that have been
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  Speaker 1: confirmed by research. I was reading yesterday a lot about weathering,
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  Speaker 1: which is a phenomenon that happens to Black Americans as
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  Speaker 1: a result of stress. It's these tiny little legions that
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  Speaker 1: you get on the brain, and that's just because of
• 11:31
  Speaker 1: having to deal with racism constantly, and it means that
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  Speaker 1: you are a lot more susceptible to disease, You're a
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  Speaker 1: lot more likely to die prematurely or more susceptible to
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  Speaker 1: things like Alzheimer's that kind of thing. And it's really
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  Speaker 1: unfortunate and it's so important. I think, like, it's really
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  Speaker 1: horrible to like know something like that, but you know
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  Speaker 1: how many people have told you like, wow, like dealing
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  Speaker 1: with this stuff is really getting to me. It's really
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  Speaker 1: having an effect on my health. And I think it's
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  Speaker 1: so important to have things that you can point to
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  Speaker 1: to say, yes, this is true, this has been confirmed
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  Speaker 1: by research. God, that is fascinating and so upsetting and
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  Speaker 1: that I I've never heard of that term before, Caitlin.
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  Speaker 1: Had you heard about it? No, I wasn't familiar that.
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  Speaker 1: I'm always like, yeah, always really fascinated and about how
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  Speaker 1: willing people are to dismiss how the pressure and like
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  Speaker 1: constant anxiety of racism has absolutely no effect on your body.
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  Speaker 1: Like it's just completely absurd. So what what can we're
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  Speaker 1: going to be um directing our listeners to the podcast?
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  Speaker 1: Is there um aside from to starting at the beginning,
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  Speaker 1: is there anything in particular that you're like, you know,
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  Speaker 1: happy to have out there on on this run, Um,
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  Speaker 1: that listeners can kind of jump over to what I'm
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  Speaker 1: really excited about in this podcast and something that I
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  Speaker 1: didn't have a lot of in my series, UM, which
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  Speaker 1: is kind of surprising, Um that this happened, and I'm
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  Speaker 1: really grateful for it, is the voices of police officers.
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  Speaker 1: A lot of the skeptics that I get are like, well,
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  Speaker 1: you know, of course, the families of people that have
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  Speaker 1: been you know, murdered by police officers, of course they
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  Speaker 1: would say these things. But it's been really exciting for
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  Speaker 1: me to get so many deputies and people ranking higher
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  Speaker 1: than deputy to sit down with me and say, yeah,
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  Speaker 1: this is true. I want to tell you about my
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  Speaker 1: experiences with these deputy gangs. I want to tell you
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  Speaker 1: about the time I was invited to join a deputy gang.
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  Speaker 1: I want to tell you about the time that I
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  Speaker 1: saw a deputy gang member commit a murder, cover up
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  Speaker 1: a crime, threatened me, dartned me with death, and it's
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  Speaker 1: it's been it's so powerful to hear those stories and
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  Speaker 1: get that confirmation from the inside, because you really can't
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  Speaker 1: talk about this without having someone on the inside to
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  Speaker 1: really explain it because it is so insular and so
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  Speaker 1: seek sort of. And it's also really great, um to
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  Speaker 1: be able to throw that back at the haters and say,
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  Speaker 1: you know what, like actually a lot of cops really
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  Speaker 1: support the work that I'm doing, and you know a
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  Speaker 1: lot of cops think the department should be completely scrapped
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  Speaker 1: as well. God, it's it truly is like, I mean,
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  Speaker 1: you're the original series is incredible, but getting to like here,
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  Speaker 1: you know, like you've you've built it out in such
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  Speaker 1: like a beautiful way that just Yeah, hearing some of
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  Speaker 1: the audio that you've collected, both in interviews and just
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  Speaker 1: like source from other places in this series is like
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  Speaker 1: it just brings a whole new dimension to how fucking
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  Speaker 1: infuriating and deeply illegal everything going on. Is. It's one
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  Speaker 1: thing to read it and another thing to hear it. Um.
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  Speaker 1: And we on the Becto cast famously don't read, so
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  Speaker 1: an audio medium is really helpful for us. I can't lie. Yeah,
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  Speaker 1: the original series, I did have to have my computer
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  Speaker 1: read it to me like a tradition of violence. Um.
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  Speaker 1: But uh and then that for like a couple of hours.
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  Speaker 1: But I think I took it in. I gotta try that.
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  Speaker 1: It's actually a really maddening experience. It's to hear your
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  Speaker 1: own words read with no emotion back out to you. Um,
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  Speaker 1: it's interesting. Try you should try. So you know, everyone,
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  Speaker 1: we're gonna be linking to a tradition of violence the
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  Speaker 1: podcast in the original series on knock l a in
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  Speaker 1: the description. But um, and thank you for talking to
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  Speaker 1: us about it series. Um, and for the rest of
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  Speaker 1: this episode, we're gonna have some fun with some of
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  Speaker 1: the weirdest copaganda these eyes have ever seen. El Camino Christmas?
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  Speaker 1: Was this a Netflix original? Yeah? Okay, it feels like that. Um, okay,
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  Speaker 1: so El Comino Christmas. It is a seventeen movie directed
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  Speaker 1: by David E. Talbert, who seems to only direct Netflix
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  Speaker 1: Christmas movies. So I was like, okay, so he's not
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  Speaker 1: a cop guy. He's a Christmas guy. Didn't expect that.
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  Speaker 1: He's also directed Almost Christmas and Jingle Jangle a Christmas Journey,
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  Speaker 1: so he's a bit of a Christmas lad. It's written
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  Speaker 1: by Oh, I mean shocking that people put their names
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  Speaker 1: on this, someone named Christopher Christopher Wayner and then also
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  Speaker 1: Theodore Melfi, who had previously written and directed hidden Figures.
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  Speaker 1: I'm like, how do we get from A to B here?
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  Speaker 1: Sure it's and it's starring I mean kind of kind
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  Speaker 1: of only all hitters. Uh someone named Luke Grimes? Anyone
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  Speaker 1: knew who that was? I didn't know who that was?
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  Speaker 1: Sure did not. Vincent din Afrio. Dak Shepherd of podcast fame.
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  Speaker 1: His wife famously loves the Sheriff's Department. Just want to
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  Speaker 1: put that out there. Wait, can you give us quick
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  Speaker 1: context for our listeners? Yes? Quit contacts on Dak Shepherd. Um,
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  Speaker 1: so last Christmas? I believe this was actually around the holidays. Um,
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  Speaker 1: his wife? I'm sorry? Who played? I can't remember her name?
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  Speaker 1: Is it Kristin Kristin Bell? Kristin but almost like Kristen Smart.
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  Speaker 1: That is not his wife, Kristen Bell. His wife, Kristen
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  Speaker 1: Bell took it upon herself to go visit deputies at
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  Speaker 1: the Lancaster Sheriff station and post about it on social
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  Speaker 1: media how much she loves and supports the Los Angeles
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  Speaker 1: County Sheriff's Department. So Kristin Bell, also known as Veronica Mars,
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  Speaker 1: huge supporter of corrupt law enforcement departments. How absolutely fucking
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  Speaker 1: vile of her. I I forgot about that, but it's
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  Speaker 1: like I feel like she's very emblematic of like she's like,
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  Speaker 1: I'm a liberal, I'm with her, but also the Sheriff's
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  Speaker 1: department like I'm with him, I'm with bea wava right right.
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  Speaker 1: And they did not see any gap in this logic.
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  Speaker 1: I didn't make the Dacks connection. So we've got Das,
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  Speaker 1: We've got the dad from that seven D show, yes,
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  Speaker 1: and we've got Jessica Alba, We've got Jimmy Oh yang ye,
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  Speaker 1: and of course we have Mr Marks Communist Manifesto, Wikipedia himself,
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  Speaker 1: Tim Allen, A K. Scott Calvin, Santa Claus Ak, Tim Allen.
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  Speaker 1: Tim Allen is like a known like right wing fucking weirdo.
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  Speaker 1: But so I wasn't shocked that he was in this movie.
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  Speaker 1: But I was also like, Tim, your Christmas cannon? Why, like,
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  Speaker 1: must you smear the only thing about you that I liked,
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  Speaker 1: which was Santa Claus one? Well, El Camino Christmas. There's
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  Speaker 1: also another can I say another fun fact? Tim Mallan? Please? Yes?
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  Speaker 1: Did you know that Tim Allen is a federal informant
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  Speaker 1: and he was convicted for cocaine trafficking and he was
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  Speaker 1: able to get out of it and start a Hollywood
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  Speaker 1: career because he cooperated with the Feds and turned on
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  Speaker 1: everyone and that's why he's a movie star. So lots
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  Speaker 1: of ties to law enforcement with this guy cast. I'm
• 19:20
  Speaker 1: just saying, the Tim Allen cocaine saga like never ceases
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  Speaker 1: to amaze me. Of like how and also how like
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  Speaker 1: publicly available that information always was. That wasn't like something
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  Speaker 1: that came out later in his career. I think he
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  Speaker 1: like talked about it in his stand up at one point,
• 19:37
  Speaker 1: like he was famously a police informant, and everyone was like,
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  Speaker 1: let's put him in a children's movie, let's do that,
• 19:46
  Speaker 1: and then let's put him in another because Buzzing and
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  Speaker 1: then Home Improvement, Oh my god, he's a piece of
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  Speaker 1: sh it. And and bizarrely, on the Betel Cast this
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  Speaker 1: holiday season, we are covering who Tim Allen joints because
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  Speaker 1: Grace Freud is returning to cover the Santa Claus mini series.
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  Speaker 1: So yes, and then no more Tim, No more Tim.
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  Speaker 1: This is I'm putting my foot down. I've had enough
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  Speaker 1: of this Tim Allen character, who someone who's been famously
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  Speaker 1: bad his entire career. Uh SO series What is your
• 20:20
  Speaker 1: relationship with this movie El Camino Christmas? Uh? Yeah, I
• 20:25
  Speaker 1: really didn't have much of one before coming on this cast.
• 20:29
  Speaker 1: I picked this movie because I really wanted to talk
• 20:32
  Speaker 1: about a law enforcement film, because you know, sitting and
• 20:36
  Speaker 1: having these intersectional conversations about police representation in our media
• 20:41
  Speaker 1: is really important, especially with two people such as yourselves.
• 20:46
  Speaker 1: Thank you, And this is like this movie in particular
• 20:50
  Speaker 1: is like such an all over This movie feels like
• 20:55
  Speaker 1: it was written by a hundred different people, all of
• 20:57
  Speaker 1: whom had different political views. Like it's so confus saying yeah,
• 21:01
  Speaker 1: with all due respect, this is one of the worst
• 21:03
  Speaker 1: movies I've ever seen, not I can't wait to not
• 21:07
  Speaker 1: even just like story content and politics wise, but also
• 21:10
  Speaker 1: just like looks like shit, it sounds like ship, it
• 21:15
  Speaker 1: sounds the music is playing louder than the people almost
• 21:19
  Speaker 1: the whole movie. It's so frustrating. Did you really want
• 21:22
  Speaker 1: to hear what they were saying? Though, Jamie's a good point.
• 21:26
  Speaker 1: Maybe it was a vengeful editor that was like, oh,
• 21:28
  Speaker 1: I don't need it dot MP three horrible dialogue. Yeah,
• 21:34
  Speaker 1: I had never heard of this movie until you suggested
• 21:37
  Speaker 1: it for this episode. And I mean, I'm glad I've
• 21:41
  Speaker 1: seen it now, just because I enjoy hate watching things
• 21:47
  Speaker 1: from time to time. So this allowed me to indulge
• 21:50
  Speaker 1: in that there's so much you would love my recommended
• 21:54
  Speaker 1: list on Netflix. Is it all like Cursed Cop again? Yes? Um?
• 22:03
  Speaker 1: Shall we shall we get into it? Shall I do
• 22:05
  Speaker 1: the recap? Yeah? Best of luck? Yeah? Right, Actually, let's
• 22:09
  Speaker 1: take I'm going to need to take a quick break first,
• 22:12
  Speaker 1: and then I'll gather my thoughts and we will come
• 22:15
  Speaker 1: right back. And we're back, all right. So l Camino Christmas.
• 22:29
  Speaker 1: We open on a violent shootout. We see members of
• 22:33
  Speaker 1: the Sheriff's department, We see vicent As liquor store, but
• 22:38
  Speaker 1: we don't really know what the situation is yet. We
• 22:41
  Speaker 1: cut to thirty nine hours earlier. It's a few days
• 22:45
  Speaker 1: before Christmas. We are in El Camino, Nevada, which is
• 22:49
  Speaker 1: not a real place I discovered upon some research. I
• 22:53
  Speaker 1: got so confused because I assumed that this was taking
• 22:57
  Speaker 1: place in California for some reason. And then and then
• 23:00
  Speaker 1: it turns out it's Nevada. I figured that out a
• 23:04
  Speaker 1: half hour into the movie. It took me a while, so,
• 23:09
  Speaker 1: my god, I'm really down to my last four brain cells.
• 23:11
  Speaker 1: So this was a challenge. So we're in the small
• 23:14
  Speaker 1: town of El Camino, Nevada. We are at the Sheriff's
• 23:18
  Speaker 1: department precinct. Sheriff Bob played by kirkwood Smith is yelling
• 23:23
  Speaker 1: at Deputy Carl Hooker played by Vincent Dinafrio for being
• 23:28
  Speaker 1: bad at his job. Carl is an alcoholic who is
• 23:33
  Speaker 1: drinking and or drunk in pretty much every scene we
• 23:36
  Speaker 1: will see him in. Meanwhile, this guy, Eric Norris played
• 23:41
  Speaker 1: by Luke Grimes has arrived in El Camino and he
• 23:46
  Speaker 1: goes to a motel for a room. Behind the front
• 23:50
  Speaker 1: desk is Bill is Bill ok Bill. I was like,
• 23:57
  Speaker 1: what is his last name? I don't know, I don't care,
• 23:59
  Speaker 1: but that's like you're like, you know what, that's not
• 24:04
  Speaker 1: worth it. That's Dex Shepherd's character, who we also saw
• 24:08
  Speaker 1: in the first scene as a sheriff's deputy. So he
• 24:11
  Speaker 1: works as a hotel clerk and a cop, which tracks.
• 24:15
  Speaker 1: I mean, a lot of cops I know have these
• 24:18
  Speaker 1: weird little side gigs that they do interesting. I did
• 24:21
  Speaker 1: not know that what are what would be like an
• 24:24
  Speaker 1: example of a of a classic cops side gig. Classic
• 24:28
  Speaker 1: side gig of course, as private security or private investigations.
• 24:31
  Speaker 1: Um also bodyguard security services. But then you get the
• 24:36
  Speaker 1: cops that are like real estate agents or nutritionists or trainers.
• 24:42
  Speaker 1: Even though that was allowed to be. Vienueva actually owns
• 24:45
  Speaker 1: a crossbit gym gross two on the nose. Yeah, predictable.
• 24:53
  Speaker 1: Um okay, So then we cut to Kate played by
• 24:57
  Speaker 1: Michelle Milett and her young son Seth. They cross paths
• 25:02
  Speaker 1: with Eric at a diner. We also meet a news
• 25:07
  Speaker 1: reporter named Beth Flowers played by Jessica Alba, who is
• 25:12
  Speaker 1: heavily gregnant. She's heavy with Greg and she's wait was
• 25:19
  Speaker 1: that intentional? Oh? Yes, every any person who is pregnant
• 25:24
  Speaker 1: is actually gregnant anant expecting a Greg any second now. Yeah,
• 25:32
  Speaker 1: she's about to explode with the little Greg. We also
• 25:37
  Speaker 1: meet a camera operator played by Jimmy oh Yang. I
• 25:40
  Speaker 1: don't think we ever learn his character's name. I don't
• 25:43
  Speaker 1: know if he had one. Yeah, I don't think, Yeah
• 25:45
  Speaker 1: he was. He was there to quip I. Look, I'm
• 25:48
  Speaker 1: very pro Jimmy oh Yang um getting money same, which
• 25:52
  Speaker 1: I hope is the only reason he did this because
• 25:55
  Speaker 1: the movie is just so god awful. It's trash. Yeah,
• 26:00
  Speaker 1: they're like local reporters that I think. Okay, this was
• 26:02
  Speaker 1: one of my favorite bad elements of the movie, where
• 26:06
  Speaker 1: the local reporters are like resentful that they've been given
• 26:10
  Speaker 1: a fluff piece and she describes it as like, oh,
• 26:15
  Speaker 1: like a local Like she specifies that they're handicapped for
• 26:19
  Speaker 1: no reason, and she emphasizes that word in a way
• 26:22
  Speaker 1: that feels extremely ablest. Yes, yeah, you're like the subtext
• 26:25
  Speaker 1: to this line is very gross and also confusing. But
• 26:29
  Speaker 1: she's like, oh, it's like a local person's passion project,
• 26:32
  Speaker 1: which is later revealed to be a really straightforward nativity play.
• 26:37
  Speaker 1: I'm like, yeah, this passion project was this? Do they
• 26:40
  Speaker 1: know that this story exists already? Like the Church of Christ?
• 26:44
  Speaker 1: I was expecting, like, you know, like Glengarry Glenn Ross
• 26:48
  Speaker 1: or some ship. But they're like, no, it's just an
• 26:50
  Speaker 1: activity play and that's their passion project. The writing in
• 26:54
  Speaker 1: this movie is so funny horrendous. Yeah, okay, So meanwhile,
• 26:59
  Speaker 1: Deputies Bill and Carl are tailing Eric, this you know,
• 27:04
  Speaker 1: newcomer to town. They think that he might be involved
• 27:07
  Speaker 1: in meth manufacturing or running because they see him with
• 27:11
  Speaker 1: a jug of drain oh, which is like the first
• 27:14
  Speaker 1: of many funny What is that called when there's a
• 27:17
  Speaker 1: product product placement moments? There's so much product placement. Bud
• 27:21
  Speaker 1: Light Lemon, bud Light Lemon, you say the full name
• 27:25
  Speaker 1: every time visit din Aprio, who's the evil characters like,
• 27:30
  Speaker 1: get me a bud Light Lemon. I love that bud
• 27:33
  Speaker 1: Light Lemon. And then Tim Alan brings it over. He's like,
• 27:35
  Speaker 1: here's that bud Light Lemon you asked for and then
• 27:38
  Speaker 1: he SIPs it and he's like, pretty good. There at
• 27:41
  Speaker 1: least yeah, like ten different direct references to different brands
• 27:45
  Speaker 1: of alcohol. It's just like very funny. Like but the
• 27:50
  Speaker 1: drain No got me good because they literally prefaced the
• 27:53
  Speaker 1: drain O spawn by being like, this is a main
• 27:56
  Speaker 1: ingredient in meth and then it's like, cut to a
• 27:59
  Speaker 1: bottle of rain No. Drain No, make your meth with it,
• 28:03
  Speaker 1: like only the best meth amphetam no store brand for me.
• 28:11
  Speaker 1: I make myth amphetamine with original branded drain No so bad,
• 28:21
  Speaker 1: so they're telling Eric. Then Eric goes and knocks on
• 28:25
  Speaker 1: the door of Tim Allen because Eric is looking for
• 28:28
  Speaker 1: a guy named Michael Roth. Eric had found this fifteen
• 28:33
  Speaker 1: year old letter and the return address on the letter
• 28:36
  Speaker 1: is Tim Allen's address. We don't really know who he's
• 28:40
  Speaker 1: looking for or why, but he's like, I have this
• 28:42
  Speaker 1: letter and this is the return address. But Tim Allen
• 28:46
  Speaker 1: is very hostile. He's possibly drunk because he also is
• 28:50
  Speaker 1: an alcoholic. He says, I'm not your daddy. He says,
• 28:53
  Speaker 1: I'm not I'm not your daddy. Leave me alone. But
• 28:55
  Speaker 1: then he's like, if you buy me a beer, I
• 28:58
  Speaker 1: will tell you about the guy who lived here before me.
• 29:02
  Speaker 1: So Eric takes Tim to a bar, but which you
• 29:06
  Speaker 1: shouldn't do in the movie and you shouldn't do with
• 29:08
  Speaker 1: Tim Allen in real life. Real life. No, tim Allen
• 29:12
  Speaker 1: continues to be a piece of ship at the bar.
• 29:14
  Speaker 1: He doesn't tell Eric anything, so Eric storms out. As
• 29:19
  Speaker 1: Eric is returning to his motel, Deputy Bill and Carl
• 29:23
  Speaker 1: stop him and arrest him because they find weed that
• 29:28
  Speaker 1: Tim Allen had left in Eric's car, and they're also like,
• 29:31
  Speaker 1: you have drain o, so you're making meth. And they're like,
• 29:34
  Speaker 1: and you don't even know anything about your car, so
• 29:37
  Speaker 1: that means you're a criminal. And then which again this
• 29:41
  Speaker 1: doesn't marry right. This is great representation of how police
• 29:47
  Speaker 1: actually function. In my experience, Like up to this point,
• 29:50
  Speaker 1: this is incredibly accurate. I must say I was kind
• 29:54
  Speaker 1: of surprised at the specificity of like a totally like bogus,
• 29:59
  Speaker 1: like we'd charge as an as an excuse to arrest
• 30:02
  Speaker 1: someone that they just wanted to arrest anyways. And then
• 30:05
  Speaker 1: also how it's like and we'll get into this in
• 30:07
  Speaker 1: the discussion later, but how at the beginning it's established
• 30:11
  Speaker 1: that like Vincent Dinafrio's character is not arresting enough people,
• 30:16
  Speaker 1: and so his motivation going to is like he just
• 30:20
  Speaker 1: needs to make arrests so he appears productive. Yes. Yes,
• 30:25
  Speaker 1: this was also the thing that tipped me off that
• 30:27
  Speaker 1: they were not in California, because I was like, oh,
• 30:29
  Speaker 1: we does not illegal in California, but it's legal in Nevada?
• 30:34
  Speaker 1: Is it okay? Was it? I have the answer? Please
• 30:38
  Speaker 1: tell us, Jamie. The reason why this movie feels like
• 30:42
  Speaker 1: it takes place on another planet is not only because
• 30:44
  Speaker 1: it's bad. It's because the script was written in two
• 30:47
  Speaker 1: thousand and seven. Oh, this was in development for over
• 30:51
  Speaker 1: ten years, so I think Mr. Hidden Figures was really
• 30:53
  Speaker 1: embarrassed that it actually came out at some point. They
• 30:57
  Speaker 1: developed this for ten years humiliating. I mean, I think
• 31:01
  Speaker 1: you can see that what a labor of love it
• 31:03
  Speaker 1: was for everyone involved. A passion project perhaps, So yeah,
• 31:09
  Speaker 1: the passion project that just ends up being a bad
• 31:12
  Speaker 1: Nativity play. So okay. Anyway, So so they've arrested Eric
• 31:20
  Speaker 1: and they bring him into the whatever like jail cell
• 31:25
  Speaker 1: and Deputy Carl beats the ship out of Eric. But
• 31:28
  Speaker 1: the next morning, Deputy Bill, that's again Dax Shepherd, let's
• 31:32
  Speaker 1: Eric go. But this is something that Carl doesn't know about.
• 31:36
  Speaker 1: And Carl spots Eric driving away, so Deputy Carl chases
• 31:41
  Speaker 1: after him. They both end up at Vicente liquor Mart,
• 31:46
  Speaker 1: where Kate and her son also are, where Tim Allen
• 31:51
  Speaker 1: is and where the owner, Vicente is, and Carl comes
• 31:55
  Speaker 1: in guns blazing, and Tim Allen, who is is ex
• 32:00
  Speaker 1: military and he has a gun on him. He shoots
• 32:04
  Speaker 1: Carl in the leg, and then in this kind of scuffle,
• 32:08
  Speaker 1: Eric ends up with both guns. For some reason, I
• 32:12
  Speaker 1: kept forgetting his name was Eric. I just kept writing
• 32:14
  Speaker 1: down his name in my notes as drain Now. Mr
• 32:18
  Speaker 1: drain Now was like drain Now has got a crush,
• 32:21
  Speaker 1: draina needs a dad, whatever, drain No has two guns now,
• 32:25
  Speaker 1: and it turns into a hostage situation where Eric a
• 32:29
  Speaker 1: k A. Drain No is holding everyone there hostage and
• 32:33
  Speaker 1: Sheriff Bob and Deputy Bill arrive. Eric tries to escape,
• 32:38
  Speaker 1: but the cops have him surrounded. There's more shooting. Meanwhile,
• 32:43
  Speaker 1: Beth Flowers aka Jessica Alba figures out that something is
• 32:47
  Speaker 1: going on, so she and Jimmy O Young show up
• 32:50
  Speaker 1: on the scene to report about it. The shooting kind
• 32:53
  Speaker 1: of calms down and everyone in the store is like, Hey, Eric,
• 32:57
  Speaker 1: why are you holding us hostage? Just turn yourself in
• 33:01
  Speaker 1: and he's like, pass And it takes us at least.
• 33:05
  Speaker 1: It took me a while to understand why he's holding hostages,
• 33:09
  Speaker 1: but I guess it's because he's trying to clear his
• 33:13
  Speaker 1: name from his arrest last night, and he's like, I'm
• 33:17
  Speaker 1: not gonna let everyone got What was your take on
• 33:21
  Speaker 1: why Draina was holding them hostage? I couldn't. Yeah, I
• 33:24
  Speaker 1: wasn't even clear if he was really holding them, because
• 33:27
  Speaker 1: it seems to me like the hostage situation was sort
• 33:30
  Speaker 1: of like Carl was really the catalyst for that. He's like,
• 33:33
  Speaker 1: you're holding us all hostage, and a couple of times
• 33:37
  Speaker 1: Eric drain No even said like, I'm not holding anyone,
• 33:40
  Speaker 1: you can go, But then the cops started shooting, so
• 33:43
  Speaker 1: of course no one would want to leave at that point.
• 33:47
  Speaker 1: So I I wasn't even really clear if he was
• 33:49
  Speaker 1: like even holding them, and and Carl was really the
• 33:52
  Speaker 1: one saying like he's got hostages, he's got hostages, and
• 33:55
  Speaker 1: they overpower him and shut him up as a result
• 33:58
  Speaker 1: of that. So like, did writers even know if Eric
• 34:02
  Speaker 1: was motivated to hold these people at hostage? I don't know.
• 34:06
  Speaker 1: To me, it really seemed like he ended up with
• 34:07
  Speaker 1: the guns in his hand. The call had gone out,
• 34:10
  Speaker 1: and no one was able to leave at that point.
• 34:12
  Speaker 1: So right, and he was viewed as having escaped. I
• 34:18
  Speaker 1: guess because right that was another well I don't know
• 34:21
  Speaker 1: if we want to get into this in the discussion,
• 34:24
  Speaker 1: but like the way he left the jail was not clear.
• 34:28
  Speaker 1: It was not clear if he had been released, if
• 34:31
  Speaker 1: he was an escape ee unclear. I mean, Dax Shepherd's like,
• 34:35
  Speaker 1: I'm gonna go take a dump. I'm gonna leave the
• 34:38
  Speaker 1: door open, I'm gonna give your keys, and if you're
• 34:41
  Speaker 1: not back when I get back, well then shrug. I
• 34:44
  Speaker 1: don't know what happened, right, But it's like, is he
• 34:48
  Speaker 1: setting him up to be an escaped convict or is
• 34:51
  Speaker 1: he actually being like, my partner is a piece of ship,
• 34:54
  Speaker 1: and I feel bad for you, so I'm letting you go. Unclear,
• 34:58
  Speaker 1: because there's paperwork that needs to happen, and like, if
• 35:00
  Speaker 1: you've booked him as an arrest ee, you can't just
• 35:02
  Speaker 1: let someone like walk out. You need to process them
• 35:05
  Speaker 1: or they're still going to be in the system, which
• 35:08
  Speaker 1: presents the whole right. I interpret it as Dax Shepherd
• 35:12
  Speaker 1: is extremely incompetent at a cop, and so he was
• 35:15
  Speaker 1: just like, well, I'm just gonna let him go, and
• 35:19
  Speaker 1: he so he wasn't like setting him up necessarily. He
• 35:22
  Speaker 1: was just like, well, I'll just let you go. It
• 35:25
  Speaker 1: was just a weird charge. I was sort of unclear
• 35:28
  Speaker 1: on that too. Yeah, because the dad from that seventy show,
• 35:30
  Speaker 1: like mostly what he's doing is calling Dak Shepherd of
• 35:35
  Speaker 1: a fucking fool all the time, where he just like
• 35:38
  Speaker 1: every word out of his mouth, he's like Dax Shepherd,
• 35:40
  Speaker 1: who by the way, sucks at everything. Like so it's
• 35:43
  Speaker 1: like we're definitely supposed to think that and he does.
• 35:47
  Speaker 1: But also it's like you don't know how he but
• 35:49
  Speaker 1: like even even uh fucking fools who don't know anything
• 35:53
  Speaker 1: have feelings, and I'm like, I don't know how he
• 35:55
  Speaker 1: feels about anything. It was really so confusing. Yeah. Yeah,
• 35:59
  Speaker 1: And also we didn't touch on this yet, but like Carl, Yeah,
• 36:03
  Speaker 1: like Carl incites this event to the point where he
• 36:06
  Speaker 1: like you know, shoots a gun in the air and
• 36:09
  Speaker 1: then says shots fired too. So he's also like accusing
• 36:13
  Speaker 1: drain no of additional things he didn't do. He's making
• 36:17
  Speaker 1: it sound like drain oh was shooting when it was
• 36:21
  Speaker 1: Carl who shot I think twice before getting into the store. Right, So,
• 36:27
  Speaker 1: a semi hostage situation unfolds, but it's not because Eric
• 36:33
  Speaker 1: is actually holding anyone hostage. It's because this corrupt cop, Carl,
• 36:39
  Speaker 1: instigates this whole thing, and gun violence ensues. Gunshots are
• 36:43
  Speaker 1: fired by a bunch of people, and then so now
• 36:46
  Speaker 1: it's just too hostile of the situation to like de
• 36:50
  Speaker 1: escalate safely kind of thing. So that's what's going on
• 36:53
  Speaker 1: inside the liquor mart. The cops outside, namely Sheriff Bob
• 36:59
  Speaker 1: and the beauty Bill, are trying to figure out who
• 37:03
  Speaker 1: is inside and who is the gunmen who took the
• 37:06
  Speaker 1: other's hostage quote unquote. They do suspect Eric as the gunman,
• 37:11
  Speaker 1: and they figured out who else is inside the store,
• 37:13
  Speaker 1: except that they don't know that Tim Allen is inside,
• 37:16
  Speaker 1: and that will become important later. And after a few hours,
• 37:21
  Speaker 1: the cops decide to ambush the store to take down
• 37:25
  Speaker 1: the gunman and save the hostages. But right before this happens,
• 37:30
  Speaker 1: Carl shoots Eric with a secret gun that he had
• 37:34
  Speaker 1: the whole time. It's kind of a plot gun, a
• 37:37
  Speaker 1: plot gun that he was hiding in his butt crack
• 37:40
  Speaker 1: question mark. It's so poor and it's like also knowing
• 37:44
  Speaker 1: anything about like this stage of Vincent din Afria's career,
• 37:47
  Speaker 1: I'm just like I feel for him that like he's oh,
• 37:50
  Speaker 1: it's just it's just all such a bummer. And once
• 37:53
  Speaker 1: we're in the liquor store, it's like pretty much paid
• 37:57
  Speaker 1: advertising all the way. Like there's in the bat background
• 38:00
  Speaker 1: of every impactful shot, there's like Tito's vodka. Oh my god.
• 38:05
  Speaker 1: My favorite scene is um to Valin and his and
• 38:08
  Speaker 1: dren No to Vlin and Dreana were talking about Vietnam
• 38:13
  Speaker 1: and it's cutting back and forth between a shot of
• 38:16
  Speaker 1: like pop Tarts and like instant Ramen, and the labels
• 38:21
  Speaker 1: are so prominent that he's like, you were never there
• 38:24
  Speaker 1: for me pop Tarts, I couldn't be there for you
• 38:27
  Speaker 1: instant Ramen, like it's really it's really special. Um So,
• 38:33
  Speaker 1: Vincent Donofrio shoots Draino with a secret plot gun he
• 38:36
  Speaker 1: has in his but yes, exactly, this movie rocks Eric Eric.
• 38:41
  Speaker 1: Eric shoots Carl back and fatally kills him. That's not
• 38:46
  Speaker 1: how you say that. But the cops here the gun
• 38:49
  Speaker 1: shots and open fire on the liquor store. Vicenta gets shot.
• 38:53
  Speaker 1: Everyone is freaking out. Silent Night is playing on the
• 38:57
  Speaker 1: soundtrack because it's Christmas Eve. You also haven't mentioned the
• 39:00
  Speaker 1: single mom in a while, which is showing how much
• 39:04
  Speaker 1: the story Uh yeah, correct. And then Tim Allen starts
• 39:12
  Speaker 1: telling a story about the Vietnam War and Eric is like,
• 39:16
  Speaker 1: I already know because I read your letters because you're
• 39:20
  Speaker 1: my daddy, and Tim Allen is like, yes, son, I
• 39:24
  Speaker 1: should have been there for your mom or something. Meanwhile,
• 39:28
  Speaker 1: Jessica Alba's Gregnancy has reached critical mass and she goes
• 39:32
  Speaker 1: into labor on air as she's reporting, Honestly, I didn't
• 39:36
  Speaker 1: think they would do it. I was like, Okay, if
• 39:38
  Speaker 1: a movie is like written and directed by like sis guys,
• 39:43
  Speaker 1: if there's a pregnant character that's Tchekov's Greg, and that
• 39:47
  Speaker 1: Greg is gonna like rock it out like a T
• 39:49
  Speaker 1: shirt gun at some point in the movie, they can't
• 39:51
  Speaker 1: help themselves. You can't let someone leave the movie is
• 39:54
  Speaker 1: still pregnant, even if it takes place over the course
• 39:56
  Speaker 1: of thirty seven minutes or whatever. The FuG She is
• 40:01
  Speaker 1: so gregnant and in labor. The decks shepherd later hands
• 40:05
  Speaker 1: her water bottle and then she throws it at someone else,
• 40:07
  Speaker 1: and then she says it hurts so bad because that's
• 40:12
  Speaker 1: how being in labor is. God Jessica out and it's
• 40:16
  Speaker 1: like Jessica Alba is like a parent. She knows that
• 40:18
  Speaker 1: this isn't how kids. Yeah, she knows that this isn't
• 40:22
  Speaker 1: how Greg Nancy works. I mean, I know it hurts
• 40:25
  Speaker 1: very bad. The way she was acting though, it is,
• 40:28
  Speaker 1: but the way they had her positioned, I thought she
• 40:30
  Speaker 1: had also been shot. And I was like, oh no, wait,
• 40:32
  Speaker 1: she's the pregnant character, so of course she's giving birth. Well,
• 40:35
  Speaker 1: because this movie is I think, in theory a comedy,
• 40:41
  Speaker 1: but It took me so long to figure that out
• 40:43
  Speaker 1: because the comedy totally it's just a very very weird movie.
• 40:48
  Speaker 1: There are attempts at comedy in it, but it rarely
• 40:51
  Speaker 1: lands or makes sense or there's just like so much
• 40:55
  Speaker 1: tonal dissonance and it's absurd. I don't know what you're
• 40:58
  Speaker 1: talking about. It made total sense to me, and I
• 41:04
  Speaker 1: was cracking up there. I did laugh whenever it cut
• 41:06
  Speaker 1: to pop tarts. Um, I laughed at the parts that
• 41:09
  Speaker 1: you're not supposed to be laughing at. So so then
• 41:13
  Speaker 1: the FBI shows up and Kate and her son leave
• 41:19
  Speaker 1: the store, which they probably could have done the whole time. Yes,
• 41:22
  Speaker 1: I think so. No one was ever going to shoot them,
• 41:26
  Speaker 1: So now it's just Eric and his dad, Tim Allen,
• 41:30
  Speaker 1: and Tim Allen decides to take the fall for this,
• 41:34
  Speaker 1: and he acts like he's the gunman who took the
• 41:37
  Speaker 1: hostages in order to save Eric, but not before he
• 41:43
  Speaker 1: makes a weird pass at the second most prominent woman
• 41:46
  Speaker 1: in the movie, which is a cardboard cut out of
• 41:49
  Speaker 1: a PBR model. Good stuff, incredible writing, flawless, no notes. Okay,
• 41:58
  Speaker 1: So he goes outside with the cardboard cutout of this
• 42:02
  Speaker 1: sexy lady and then he pulls out both guns. So
• 42:06
  Speaker 1: the cops shoot down Tom Allen and kill him. But
• 42:10
  Speaker 1: that's his like redemption thing. Then we flashed forward to
• 42:16
  Speaker 1: a hundred and eighty two days later, very specific number.
• 42:19
  Speaker 1: Vicente has lived. I feel like that had to change.
• 42:23
  Speaker 1: That had to be a script note. He was so
• 42:26
  Speaker 1: dead and like extremely he's fine and on vacation, and
• 42:31
  Speaker 1: the epilogue it is I mean, I'm glad his character lived,
• 42:34
  Speaker 1: but that is not how that was shot at all.
• 42:37
  Speaker 1: That he was also thirty two million dollars richer, and
• 42:41
  Speaker 1: he made a comment of if you do the math,
• 42:43
  Speaker 1: that's eight million per bullet, which is just again that
• 42:47
  Speaker 1: note about comedy and tone. I just I'm like, I
• 42:52
  Speaker 1: didn't even catch supposed to be miserable, right, God, I'm
• 42:57
  Speaker 1: not sure. Okay, So it's a hundred. It's six months later,
• 43:00
  Speaker 1: but they call it two days later. We check in
• 43:03
  Speaker 1: with all of the characters, such as Deputy Bill is
• 43:08
  Speaker 1: running for sheriff. Beth Flowers is a reporter in Austin, Texas.
• 43:12
  Speaker 1: Now Kate's mom is dating a weather guy from l
• 43:17
  Speaker 1: A and laughing at his horrible joke. Vicente is still alive,
• 43:21
  Speaker 1: and he got this huge settlement out of being shot
• 43:24
  Speaker 1: by the cops, and Eric is hanging out with Kate
• 43:29
  Speaker 1: and her son at a diner. The and his daddy died,
• 43:34
  Speaker 1: but now he's daddy. Now he's daddy. Like the Santa Claus,
• 43:37
  Speaker 1: They're gonn only be one daddy. It's like the Santa Clause.
• 43:41
  Speaker 1: It's like The Godfather. There's a lot of parallels. You
• 43:45
  Speaker 1: gotta take down the first daddy and then you're now
• 43:47
  Speaker 1: you're the one. You're the daddy exactly, the daddy now.
• 43:50
  Speaker 1: And then the movie is like, all right, it's over,
• 43:52
  Speaker 1: and then it cuts to like my movie credits and
• 43:57
  Speaker 1: Vincent din Afrio singing a dorble rendition of a Christmas song. Alright,
• 44:02
  Speaker 1: let's take another quick break and we will come back
• 44:05
  Speaker 1: to discuss, and we're back. Okay. Um, so I already
• 44:17
  Speaker 1: like started to get into this, but um, in your
• 44:20
  Speaker 1: professional opinion, what is this? What is going on here?
• 44:25
  Speaker 1: And and how professional opinion? What the yeah with the respect,
• 44:33
  Speaker 1: what the fund is happening in this movie? Is there?
• 44:36
  Speaker 1: Because it's like you're you mentioned at a few points
• 44:38
  Speaker 1: like that is actually like a pretty realistic thing that
• 44:42
  Speaker 1: a sheriff. Remember the sheriff Department made do. How do
• 44:46
  Speaker 1: you feel this movie did in terms of that, in
• 44:50
  Speaker 1: terms of representing how a lot of Sheriff's Department officials,
• 44:58
  Speaker 1: a lot of police officials treat their job and relate
• 45:02
  Speaker 1: to the people in their profession. I thought it was
• 45:04
  Speaker 1: pretty spot on. The constant drinking that Carl is doing
• 45:08
  Speaker 1: on the job, his manipulation of active crime, scenes of
• 45:13
  Speaker 1: evidence of beating people, and custody that are handcuffed. I've
• 45:17
  Speaker 1: seen all of that before multiple times. The sheriff himself
• 45:22
  Speaker 1: when he arrives on the scene. This is all taking
• 45:24
  Speaker 1: place at a gas station, and the sheriff is chain
• 45:26
  Speaker 1: smoking throughout this gas station constantly. Um. He even makes
• 45:31
  Speaker 1: a remark about that they're going to send in the
• 45:34
  Speaker 1: gas and gas all these people out of the structure. Um.
• 45:37
  Speaker 1: That gas was actually used in Waco, Texas, when the
• 45:41
  Speaker 1: Branch Davidians were in this stand up, very similar standoff,
• 45:45
  Speaker 1: and I thought a lot about the Branch Davidians watching this, Actually,
• 45:48
  Speaker 1: I was like, who is the Koresh of this Yeah,
• 45:51
  Speaker 1: of this liquor store. Yeah, And when they did that
• 45:55
  Speaker 1: to Koresh and his followers, that gas, Um, that gas
• 46:00
  Speaker 1: highly flammable, and we saw what happened to those poor
• 46:03
  Speaker 1: souls in Waco, Texas. They were all burned alive. And
• 46:06
  Speaker 1: again this is happening at a gas station and he's
• 46:09
  Speaker 1: starting to bring in this highly flammable gas. And then
• 46:12
  Speaker 1: at the end when Billy is campaigning for sheriff and
• 46:15
  Speaker 1: he is in uniform, illegally campaigning Um whilst on the job.
• 46:20
  Speaker 1: That's another thing that we saw throughout this past election
• 46:23
  Speaker 1: cycle when our now sheriff soon to be ex Sheriff,
• 46:26
  Speaker 1: Alex Nueva Um did this multiple times throughout the election cycle.
• 46:32
  Speaker 1: So as far as Oh my God, and my favorite
• 46:35
  Speaker 1: part in this movie, before Karl dies, he guilt trips
• 46:38
  Speaker 1: everyone in the store and says, who was the one
• 46:42
  Speaker 1: you came to when you had a problem? Um? Ostensibly
• 46:45
  Speaker 1: as a member of the sheriff's department. You know it's
• 46:48
  Speaker 1: your job to do something when you know a woman
• 46:51
  Speaker 1: comes to you and says that she's a victim of
• 46:53
  Speaker 1: domestic violence. Right, You're not a hero for doing your
• 46:56
  Speaker 1: job correct? Well, that was like what the things that
• 47:00
  Speaker 1: pain for me? Where I was like, is he implying
• 47:02
  Speaker 1: that he did a good job in that situation because
• 47:05
  Speaker 1: it's like the sheriff's department also has a horrible record
• 47:08
  Speaker 1: with preventing domestic violence. It seems like they are causing
• 47:12
  Speaker 1: it more often than they are preventing it. Right, And
• 47:15
  Speaker 1: he implied that he really didn't do anything. When he
• 47:18
  Speaker 1: talks about the man that was hitting Katie, he says,
• 47:21
  Speaker 1: I ran him out of town, which to me doesn't
• 47:24
  Speaker 1: sound like, Oh, I you know, pursued a case scott
• 47:27
  Speaker 1: evidence and saw him prosecuted, so the full it's done
• 47:29
  Speaker 1: on the law. Instead, he behaved like a vigilante and
• 47:33
  Speaker 1: ran this person out of town where he you know,
• 47:36
  Speaker 1: I'm assuming he's probably gone on to victimize another woman
• 47:39
  Speaker 1: in another city. Right, Oh my gosh. So my question is,
• 47:45
  Speaker 1: while a lot of the behavior and actions of the
• 47:49
  Speaker 1: deputies and sheriff tracks with real life sheriff department behavior,
• 47:56
  Speaker 1: how does the movie feel about these characters though? Because
• 48:00
  Speaker 1: at certain points I'm like, oh, they're they're showing us like,
• 48:04
  Speaker 1: look how corrupt Carl is and isn't that horrible? Look
• 48:08
  Speaker 1: how incompetent Bill is and isn't that embarrassing? And shouldn't
• 48:12
  Speaker 1: we have, you know, better people on the force. But
• 48:15
  Speaker 1: then the movie, especially the way it ends, it like
• 48:18
  Speaker 1: does a lot too, I think encourage the audience to
• 48:21
  Speaker 1: empathize with, especially Sheriff Bob and Deputy Bill, because it
• 48:27
  Speaker 1: checks back in with them and it's like, ha ha,
• 48:29
  Speaker 1: aren't these moments funny? Where Bob is getting hypnotherapy question
• 48:34
  Speaker 1: Mark to try to stop smoking and Bill is like
• 48:38
  Speaker 1: having a goofy moment with this woman who keeps having
• 48:41
  Speaker 1: raccoons on her property. I'm like, how does the movie
• 48:45
  Speaker 1: actually feel about law enforcement? And is it coming from
• 48:50
  Speaker 1: the right place? That is something I was never clear
• 48:53
  Speaker 1: on both times I watched this movie. You watched this
• 48:56
  Speaker 1: movie twice? I did that that is the appropriate response. Well,
• 49:04
  Speaker 1: in my defense, I also only have four brain cells left,
• 49:07
  Speaker 1: and I have to watch a movie twice. You can't
• 49:09
  Speaker 1: catch all the gorgeous nuance of this film on only
• 49:13
  Speaker 1: one watch. Yeah, you need to see it twice. Yeah.
• 49:16
  Speaker 1: I felt I had some similar like, I mean, this
• 49:19
  Speaker 1: movie is so like this movie felt like it was
• 49:21
  Speaker 1: written by so many people that from scene to scene
• 49:24
  Speaker 1: it felt like it's loyalties would shift, like in one
• 49:28
  Speaker 1: way or another. Because even like the because I agree
• 49:33
  Speaker 1: series that like the guilt trip that Carl does at
• 49:36
  Speaker 1: the end is like very in character of what a
• 49:40
  Speaker 1: real life member of a sheriff's department might do, but
• 49:43
  Speaker 1: then like the music that backs him sort of makes
• 49:46
  Speaker 1: it sound like think about that. Yeah, this changes everything
• 49:52
  Speaker 1: when right, It's so bizarre and but it's also like
• 49:57
  Speaker 1: Tim Allen's character is like against the sheriff and is
• 50:00
  Speaker 1: like almost the voice of reason in the scene, which
• 50:03
  Speaker 1: is like very He's also a Vietnam veteran who like
• 50:07
  Speaker 1: lovingly recalls like bombing the fuck out of a village
• 50:11
  Speaker 1: that I had to That is one scene that I
• 50:14
  Speaker 1: did rewatch to be like did I Did I get
• 50:17
  Speaker 1: that right? Where the story he tells, And please either
• 50:21
  Speaker 1: of you correct me if I misunderstood this, because I
• 50:24
  Speaker 1: was just like, this can't be it he's talking about
• 50:27
  Speaker 1: He's he's very romantically recalling being in Vietnam. He's in
• 50:32
  Speaker 1: some sort of leadership position. He sees a village full
• 50:37
  Speaker 1: of innocent families and says, let's not murder this village.
• 50:44
  Speaker 1: But then the Vietnamese armed forces instead kill not just
• 50:49
  Speaker 1: the village but also a bunch of Tim Allen's buddies.
• 50:53
  Speaker 1: And so Tim Allen is like, I really wish that
• 50:56
  Speaker 1: I had just killed those innocent people like that, I think,
• 51:03
  Speaker 1: so that's what I had sunk for me. Yeah, just
• 51:07
  Speaker 1: a baffling way to make us and we're supposed to
• 51:10
  Speaker 1: like really like him and that it's just so dissonant
• 51:15
  Speaker 1: and bizarre, right because this is like the beginning of
• 51:18
  Speaker 1: his redemption arc. And then he's like, well, I wasn't
• 51:22
  Speaker 1: there for you as a daddy. Maybe if I had
• 51:25
  Speaker 1: just killed all those innocent people, I would have been
• 51:27
  Speaker 1: a good father to you. I I think is is
• 51:33
  Speaker 1: this is the takeaway? And then he's like, well, I
• 51:37
  Speaker 1: threw my life away, but I can still redeem myself
• 51:40
  Speaker 1: if I go outside and take the fall for this
• 51:44
  Speaker 1: hostage situation out my guns for some reason, and then
• 51:50
  Speaker 1: get shot down. And then as he's dying. I didn't
• 51:52
  Speaker 1: mention this to recap, but as he's lying there bleeding out,
• 51:56
  Speaker 1: he says something. He's like looking up to heaven presumably,
• 52:00
  Speaker 1: and he's like, well, I hope it's better up there
• 52:04
  Speaker 1: in heaven. Like what does he say? It's something like
• 52:07
  Speaker 1: that you're not going there to him, straight to hell, bro.
• 52:14
  Speaker 1: But then there's other moments it's so hard. There's other
• 52:17
  Speaker 1: moments where at least in regards to how the other
• 52:21
  Speaker 1: characters in the gas Station view the sheriff's department, where
• 52:25
  Speaker 1: I'm like, all right, they're nibbling at something there where
• 52:29
  Speaker 1: like I feel like, very often in movies that feature cops, sheriffs,
• 52:35
  Speaker 1: any sort of like violent law enforcement, it like underestimates
• 52:40
  Speaker 1: the average person's ability to understand how obviously corrupt the
• 52:45
  Speaker 1: authorities are. And it sort of is like everyone is
• 52:48
  Speaker 1: just like completely loyal and they're like gets a police officer,
• 52:52
  Speaker 1: it's a sheriff. They would never hurt me. And the
• 52:55
  Speaker 1: characters in this movie, while terribly written, do seem to
• 53:00
  Speaker 1: like constantly acknowledge how corrupt the sheriff's department is. Like
• 53:04
  Speaker 1: it seems like everybody is kind of aware of it,
• 53:07
  Speaker 1: to the point where even Tim Allen like calls out
• 53:10
  Speaker 1: the hypocrisy of the sheriff, and like, I thought that
• 53:14
  Speaker 1: was interesting, where like Vincent din Afriel was saying, like, oh,
• 53:18
  Speaker 1: Tim Allen, you're a drunk, and Tim Allen's like, well,
• 53:21
  Speaker 1: I don't drink and drive or drink and arrest people
• 53:24
  Speaker 1: like you do, so, which is like, yeah, facts, bro,
• 53:30
  Speaker 1: He's kind of he kind of nailed it. It was
• 53:33
  Speaker 1: so confusing I'm just an asshole when I'm drunk. You
• 53:38
  Speaker 1: I do like when Tim Allen, I guess, gets so
• 53:40
  Speaker 1: drunk that he passes out for what seems to be
• 53:43
  Speaker 1: a large portion of the hostage situation because he's just snoozing,
• 53:48
  Speaker 1: snoring on the ground. That bud light lemon, That bud
• 53:52
  Speaker 1: light lemon, right to sleep, the bud light lemon, the
• 53:55
  Speaker 1: past blue ribbon, the fed vodka, the pop tarts, that chetos. Oh,
• 54:01
  Speaker 1: there was also the romance scene near the cheetos. I
• 54:04
  Speaker 1: really like the cheeto romance scene. You know what really
• 54:07
  Speaker 1: gets me going is a nice hot cheeto. Oh, perhaps
• 54:13
  Speaker 1: even a flaming hot cheeto. Um we I guess talk
• 54:18
  Speaker 1: about the women in the movie, Yeah, it'll be a
• 54:23
  Speaker 1: short discussion, so we've got well. This was another thing
• 54:27
  Speaker 1: that was I think was a pretty boldly gross precedent
• 54:32
  Speaker 1: that this movie seems to want to explore, Which is
• 54:35
  Speaker 1: that um our main character. Oh God, I've kept writing
• 54:39
  Speaker 1: drain No's girl, Kate. Kate is a young single mom.
• 54:44
  Speaker 1: Of what we learned in the scene where they're introduced,
• 54:47
  Speaker 1: it seems of a boy with autism or his doctor
• 54:51
  Speaker 1: is suggesting, I think your son maybe on the autism spectrum,
• 54:56
  Speaker 1: and Kate immediately denies this, does not want to listen,
• 55:01
  Speaker 1: and we are supposed to be firmly on her side
• 55:03
  Speaker 1: about this, correct. She is coming in with an extremely
• 55:07
  Speaker 1: ablest stance because she seems to be horrified at the
• 55:11
  Speaker 1: thought that her son would be on the autism spectrum,
• 55:16
  Speaker 1: because like neurodivergent in anyway, because she's basically like, he
• 55:21
  Speaker 1: is normal, and it's like, well, what do you mean
• 55:23
  Speaker 1: when you say that, Kate? Well, the way the doctor
• 55:27
  Speaker 1: describes autism spectrum disorders is extremely able ist too, because
• 55:31
  Speaker 1: she says something like, you know, children can seem perfectly
• 55:35
  Speaker 1: normal with only minor anomalies, and it's like, that is
• 55:40
  Speaker 1: not how we talk about neurodivergence. Doctor. Also, what are
• 55:45
  Speaker 1: you a doctor in? Like? It was also very unclear
• 55:48
  Speaker 1: what the appointment had been for. That scene was horribly done,
• 55:53
  Speaker 1: and then I was like, God, I hope that because
• 55:55
  Speaker 1: it seemed like the reason this even came up is
• 55:58
  Speaker 1: because her son seth question mark, was non verbal and
• 56:04
  Speaker 1: it hadn't begun speaking. I don't know how old the
• 56:06
  Speaker 1: character is, it doesn't matter. Five we learned he's five
• 56:09
  Speaker 1: years old. He's five, okay, So he's five and and
• 56:12
  Speaker 1: he's nonverbal. His mother is not willing to talk to
• 56:16
  Speaker 1: a doctor about this, but the doctor is also horrible.
• 56:19
  Speaker 1: The story plays out there held hostage for no reason.
• 56:22
  Speaker 1: They could have left it any time. And then it's
• 56:25
  Speaker 1: like implied by the movie that drain No becoming a
• 56:29
  Speaker 1: father quote unquote cures Yes, Seth non verbal and then
• 56:36
  Speaker 1: all of a sudden he's speaking in full sentences because
• 56:39
  Speaker 1: drain now is his daddy. Now. It's just like fucking
• 56:41
  Speaker 1: absurd and gross. That is the logic of the movie.
• 56:46
  Speaker 1: Could I track it? No, But is what the movie
• 56:49
  Speaker 1: seems to be suggesting really bizarre? Um. And then we
• 56:53
  Speaker 1: already talked about Jessica Alba's characters able is um, yeah,
• 56:57
  Speaker 1: so that's horrendous. Well, and the fact that all three
• 57:00
  Speaker 1: women who appear in the movie are just like defined
• 57:03
  Speaker 1: by mommy, like their mommy, the single mom. She's there
• 57:07
  Speaker 1: to be mommy. Her mommy is also there to be mommy.
• 57:11
  Speaker 1: But but that moms. Oh yeah about horny mom really quick, well,
• 57:17
  Speaker 1: there are three what a horny mom? There are three
• 57:20
  Speaker 1: stages of mommy nous. There is currently gregnant mommy. There
• 57:25
  Speaker 1: is young mummy who has a small child already. And
• 57:29
  Speaker 1: then there's older horny mom mommy. And also she's technically
• 57:32
  Speaker 1: horny grandma as well, another beloved trope on the Pectel
• 57:36
  Speaker 1: cast exactly. But and she's she's so horny she can't parent.
• 57:41
  Speaker 1: Like that's how horny this woman is. Like I have
• 57:43
  Speaker 1: to go bowling with Dennis the dental hygienist and we're like,
• 57:48
  Speaker 1: what do you have a sexy bowling shirt? I will say,
• 57:53
  Speaker 1: of all the actors in the movie, I feel like
• 57:55
  Speaker 1: horny Horny Mom was did the most with the least.
• 58:00
  Speaker 1: No one is doing anything in this movie but horny Mom.
• 58:02
  Speaker 1: She tried to make the best of it. Did it work, No,
• 58:05
  Speaker 1: but she tried. She tried. Same with the Sente given
• 58:09
  Speaker 1: nothing sent justice for Vicente. Um. I want to shout
• 58:13
  Speaker 1: out a few of my favorite moments in the movie.
• 58:16
  Speaker 1: I mean, speaking of Kate and the lack of characterization
• 58:19
  Speaker 1: she is given. One of the most absurd scenes to
• 58:22
  Speaker 1: me in the movie was it's toward the beginning, she's
• 58:25
  Speaker 1: working at the liquor mart, behind the counter, the only
• 58:30
  Speaker 1: person working there. She's behind the counter. She's supposed to
• 58:32
  Speaker 1: be like, you know, making sure things are running smoothly.
• 58:37
  Speaker 1: Eric comes in. It's about it as much as the
• 58:39
  Speaker 1: movie knows about running a store to working at store
• 58:44
  Speaker 1: and you know, etcetera, etcetera, YadA YadA, YadA. Um. Eric
• 58:49
  Speaker 1: comes in. Kate is behind the cash register, but she's
• 58:53
  Speaker 1: turned away, facing like one eight degrees away from the entrance,
• 58:57
  Speaker 1: the cash register, the counter. She's also hunched over a
• 59:01
  Speaker 1: book and listening to music on headphones, so he has
• 59:04
  Speaker 1: to be like, hey, excuse me. He grabs her. This
• 59:08
  Speaker 1: startles her and she's very piste off about it, but
• 59:11
  Speaker 1: it's like, yes, he shouldn't have grabbed her, but you
• 59:14
  Speaker 1: were doing your job so badly, like you were turned
• 59:20
  Speaker 1: away from everything you should have been turned toward, and
• 59:23
  Speaker 1: anyone could have come in and just like stolen everything.
• 59:27
  Speaker 1: Like okay, Caitlin, I will say, that's not the comment,
• 59:30
  Speaker 1: because I have done that job like that. Have I
• 59:36
  Speaker 1: absolutely worked at a desk, not facing the people I
• 59:39
  Speaker 1: was supposed to be serving, actively blocking them out. Absolutely,
• 59:43
  Speaker 1: I understand the I actually support her doing her job
• 59:46
  Speaker 1: that way, that being badly studying microbiology. Yeah, that's not
• 59:51
  Speaker 1: like other girls. He's a woman in stem. She has
• 59:55
  Speaker 1: literally a woman in stem. Will that become relevant? No,
• 59:58
  Speaker 1: she's a mother. I just was I like that they
• 1:00:03
  Speaker 1: just threw that out there for no reason. I was
• 1:00:05
  Speaker 1: just confounded that she was so mad that he startled
• 1:00:09
  Speaker 1: her when she was doing her job. Not well anyway,
• 1:00:14
  Speaker 1: I guess I just I hate Drano so and ran
• 1:00:16
  Speaker 1: such a Yeah, he's he's the worst. Also, like I
• 1:00:22
  Speaker 1: love when a whole movie could have been a text
• 1:00:24
  Speaker 1: or something like that, Like he could have just like
• 1:00:27
  Speaker 1: emailed Tim Allen and this whole movie would not have
• 1:00:29
  Speaker 1: happened and it would have made more sense. But whatever. Yeah,
• 1:00:34
  Speaker 1: but it's I kind of forgot that they told us
• 1:00:36
  Speaker 1: that Kate is like going to school for anything, because
• 1:00:39
  Speaker 1: it's never relevant, Like her problems are she is, I
• 1:00:44
  Speaker 1: mean a real problem. She's a single momb struggling to
• 1:00:46
  Speaker 1: get by, okay, but that's the only thing that's ever
• 1:00:49
  Speaker 1: really relevant. Is like that she has a young son
• 1:00:52
  Speaker 1: that she struggles with caretaking for it because she doesn't
• 1:00:55
  Speaker 1: have a lot of money. Enter horny mom who's not helpful.
• 1:00:58
  Speaker 1: But it's all problems. And then and then on top
• 1:01:02
  Speaker 1: of that, they throw in and she loves Drain. Now
• 1:01:06
  Speaker 1: she's got a little crush on Drain. No, but she's
• 1:01:09
  Speaker 1: so I guess my point is for this scene is
• 1:01:11
  Speaker 1: that the writers for some reason wanted to establish conflict
• 1:01:15
  Speaker 1: between Kate and drain Oh, but the way they do
• 1:01:20
  Speaker 1: it just makes her seem to me, just makes her
• 1:01:23
  Speaker 1: seem very unreasonable and like illogical, and I'm just like,
• 1:01:29
  Speaker 1: so that is what The way that she's characterized in
• 1:01:31
  Speaker 1: that moment is what bothered me. But yeah, the movie,
• 1:01:36
  Speaker 1: my favorite woman was the cardboard one, and everyone talked
• 1:01:40
  Speaker 1: to her. It is true, including oh yeah, Vicente is like,
• 1:01:45
  Speaker 1: don't worry my dead wife. I'm not going to cheat
• 1:01:49
  Speaker 1: on you with cut out, cut out lady. She's kind
• 1:01:55
  Speaker 1: of the hottest lady in town. Everyone's literally in love
• 1:01:58
  Speaker 1: with her. Everyone loves her. I got that that scene
• 1:02:03
  Speaker 1: the way that they because that's the only characterization Vicente gets.
• 1:02:06
  Speaker 1: Everyone gets like a sentence except for Dreano and Tim Allen,
• 1:02:09
  Speaker 1: who gets the rest of the movie, but Vicente, Like
• 1:02:14
  Speaker 1: it's the kind of scene where it's like, well, no
• 1:02:15
  Speaker 1: one else is in here, and we need to know
• 1:02:17
  Speaker 1: that Vicente is mourning his wife so that the sheriff
• 1:02:21
  Speaker 1: can guilt him about it later. And that's the only
• 1:02:24
  Speaker 1: thing we ever learned about Vicente other than he's a
• 1:02:27
  Speaker 1: real sweetheart and gets Seth a toy. And also I
• 1:02:33
  Speaker 1: wrote down at some point I was like, hopefully Vicente
• 1:02:35
  Speaker 1: is like keeping track of how much they are eating
• 1:02:38
  Speaker 1: and drinking the Sheriff's department. I'm glad he got thirty
• 1:02:43
  Speaker 1: two million dollars and that clearly rewritten ending. But um,
• 1:02:47
  Speaker 1: what about the three d dollars worth of bud Light
• 1:02:50
  Speaker 1: lime they drink in the one hour they were in there? Right, Also,
• 1:02:54
  Speaker 1: there's that scene where Carl comes in and he like
• 1:02:56
  Speaker 1: buys a bunch of stuff and then he just throws
• 1:02:58
  Speaker 1: down maybe like seventies recents and he's like, that's all
• 1:03:01
  Speaker 1: I have. Yes, he's strong arm robs the sense. Yes,
• 1:03:06
  Speaker 1: add that to the list of corrupt cop things that
• 1:03:09
  Speaker 1: Carl does. One of my favorite scenes is when Tim
• 1:03:13
  Speaker 1: Allen is also. Also, the way the movie depicts alcoholism
• 1:03:18
  Speaker 1: is questionable. Anyway, the sent kind of sponsored it. No,
• 1:03:24
  Speaker 1: like we're gonna make a movie about alcoholism and just
• 1:03:27
  Speaker 1: have a bunch of con for various alcohol friends. That's great,
• 1:03:32
  Speaker 1: that's yeah. Both of the like Vici din Afrio and
• 1:03:36
  Speaker 1: Tim Allen are both ruined by alcohol, but they're also like,
• 1:03:41
  Speaker 1: but they love this blud light, lie you want to
• 1:03:43
  Speaker 1: ruin your life? Have you considered bud light line? Bud
• 1:03:48
  Speaker 1: It's the same logic of the drain o spawn, Like,
• 1:03:52
  Speaker 1: it doesn't make any sense. Also, do you put draino
• 1:03:54
  Speaker 1: down your toilet when it's clogged? I've I don't know
• 1:03:57
  Speaker 1: if that's a thing anyway, right, I didn't think so
• 1:03:59
  Speaker 1: it's for your sink? Is for the train train? That's
• 1:04:05
  Speaker 1: what I thought. Trainer is worthless? Yeah, I gotta I honestly,
• 1:04:11
  Speaker 1: I don't know why I assumed the movie was smarter
• 1:04:13
  Speaker 1: than me in that moment where I was like, I
• 1:04:14
  Speaker 1: guess you can use it for that too. Well, speaking
• 1:04:17
  Speaker 1: of repairing things, Kate can fix the cooler in the store,
• 1:04:22
  Speaker 1: but Vicente can't. So a woman can fix it, a
• 1:04:25
  Speaker 1: man can't, And that's feminism anyway. One of my favorite
• 1:04:30
  Speaker 1: lines of dialogue, or like exchanges of dialogue is when
• 1:04:33
  Speaker 1: Vicente is talking to Tim Allen and he says, why
• 1:04:37
  Speaker 1: don't you find yourself a nice lady? You wouldn't need
• 1:04:40
  Speaker 1: all this liquor, And Tim Allen says, this is how
• 1:04:43
  Speaker 1: this works. I give you money, you give me booze.
• 1:04:46
  Speaker 1: It's simple capitalism, and we're like incredible dialogue, perfect, so good,
• 1:04:53
  Speaker 1: and then Vicente, keeping in being a sweetie pie, is like,
• 1:04:57
  Speaker 1: all right, you can have a free six pack for
• 1:05:00
  Speaker 1: what for what you just yelled at me. There's so
• 1:05:04
  Speaker 1: confusing the sentate. I mean, I think that, like, well,
• 1:05:07
  Speaker 1: the Sente is the one of the only this is
• 1:05:09
  Speaker 1: like a majority white cast, and I think it's like
• 1:05:12
  Speaker 1: telling how non white cast members are treated. We don't
• 1:05:16
  Speaker 1: even know what Jimmy O Young's name is. He certainly
• 1:05:18
  Speaker 1: has no arc. Jessica Alba does have an arc, but
• 1:05:23
  Speaker 1: it's completely defined by the fact that she's about to
• 1:05:25
  Speaker 1: explode with Greg like so really not much for her
• 1:05:29
  Speaker 1: as well. But I think Vicente especially we should talk
• 1:05:33
  Speaker 1: about because he's the only I mean he is. I
• 1:05:36
  Speaker 1: think that when when Karl dies, it's meant in the
• 1:05:39
  Speaker 1: movie to be like and that is kind of his
• 1:05:41
  Speaker 1: just desserts here. He he deserves it. Why we kill
• 1:05:45
  Speaker 1: the Sente but then bring him back to life? I
• 1:05:48
  Speaker 1: just did. I did not like it, but did not
• 1:05:50
  Speaker 1: like that they brutally killed Vicente. Could not make kids
• 1:05:54
  Speaker 1: or tales of that. I think another I mean, another
• 1:05:58
  Speaker 1: example of the movie be actually depicting police behavior is
• 1:06:03
  Speaker 1: being very realistic is when Carl says something very racist
• 1:06:07
  Speaker 1: to to Vicente, which is again like very par for
• 1:06:12
  Speaker 1: the course for law enforcement overall, but the fact that
• 1:06:18
  Speaker 1: we know very little about Vicente. He's pretty incidental to
• 1:06:24
  Speaker 1: the story and then is brutally shot in that final shootout,
• 1:06:30
  Speaker 1: but then comes back to life and meets a sexy
• 1:06:34
  Speaker 1: lady on the beach for him. But I also feel
• 1:06:37
  Speaker 1: like it's suggested that she only likes him after she
• 1:06:39
  Speaker 1: learns that he's worth dollars. I'm not sure anyway justice
• 1:06:45
  Speaker 1: for a Vicente and may make the joke about how
• 1:06:48
  Speaker 1: many millions of dollars per times he was shot by
• 1:06:52
  Speaker 1: a sheriff like that. The director of the movie, David
• 1:06:59
  Speaker 1: Etel Albert, is a black filmmaker, which I was surprised
• 1:07:04
  Speaker 1: to learn based on the way that characters of color
• 1:07:08
  Speaker 1: are represented on screen. No kidding, did not know that. Yes,
• 1:07:14
  Speaker 1: so I'll say I would recommend his other his subsequent
• 1:07:18
  Speaker 1: Christmas movie, Jingle Jangle. I thought it was a delight.
• 1:07:21
  Speaker 1: I still need to see it. It's good, but it's
• 1:07:24
  Speaker 1: a good one. Um, yeah, I it's I I mean,
• 1:07:29
  Speaker 1: someone needs to be held accountable for this movie's existence.
• 1:07:33
  Speaker 1: It's very unclear to be like, I'm normally I'm very
• 1:07:39
  Speaker 1: quick to blame the director, but in in this case,
• 1:07:42
  Speaker 1: he is very clearly already like there's some sort of
• 1:07:46
  Speaker 1: situation where he has to direct one Netflix Christmas movie
• 1:07:49
  Speaker 1: a year or got him locked up at Netflix and
• 1:07:52
  Speaker 1: they're you gotta do this opaganda Christmas film. So I'm
• 1:07:58
  Speaker 1: curious that maybe how much he I'd be curious to
• 1:08:00
  Speaker 1: know how much he wanted to direct this movie. And
• 1:08:04
  Speaker 1: then it also seems like, I mean, Theodore Malfie, who
• 1:08:08
  Speaker 1: is he's a white writer, even he had thoroughly backed
• 1:08:13
  Speaker 1: off having written this because he wrote it ten years
• 1:08:16
  Speaker 1: before it was ever produced, and then hopefully like read
• 1:08:20
  Speaker 1: a fucking book at some point, and it sounded like
• 1:08:24
  Speaker 1: by the time the movie was made even he like
• 1:08:26
  Speaker 1: no longer stood by what he had written. It just
• 1:08:30
  Speaker 1: seems like was anyone involved in this project voluntarily? I
• 1:08:35
  Speaker 1: don't know. I mean, I think Dak Shepherd was. I
• 1:08:38
  Speaker 1: think I think Dak Shepherd. I mean, maybe maybe the cast.
• 1:08:41
  Speaker 1: I don't know, but it just was very bizarre. Is
• 1:08:44
  Speaker 1: also produced by Theodore Malfie's wife, like it was a
• 1:08:48
  Speaker 1: whole family affair making this bad movie interesting. I couldn't
• 1:08:53
  Speaker 1: find any information about it because well, obviously we I
• 1:08:57
  Speaker 1: always begin my research on scholarly journal Wikipedia, and this
• 1:09:03
  Speaker 1: movie has one of the sparsest Wikipedia entries I've ever seen,
• 1:09:08
  Speaker 1: because it's like, no one did press around it. No
• 1:09:10
  Speaker 1: one wanted to draw attention to the fact that this
• 1:09:12
  Speaker 1: was released. People wanted to forget about it, but my
• 1:09:14
  Speaker 1: Netflix algorithm wouldn't let it happen. Series is Neflix algorithm
• 1:09:21
  Speaker 1: trounced this movie's determination to not exist. I mean, I
• 1:09:25
  Speaker 1: guess it's like, I'm glad it's not popular, right again,
• 1:09:30
  Speaker 1: never heard of it till we recorded this episode, um series.
• 1:09:35
  Speaker 1: I guess I was interested in your final word on
• 1:09:39
  Speaker 1: this in terms of, like, as someone who I know
• 1:09:41
  Speaker 1: his consumed a lot of copaganda, it's in your algorithm.
• 1:09:46
  Speaker 1: You can't escape. How does for its five trillion faults
• 1:09:51
  Speaker 1: we just discussed, how does El Camino Christmas stack up
• 1:09:55
  Speaker 1: against your average coppaganda, my average compagandor average Christmas copaganda?
• 1:10:01
  Speaker 1: Because there is that sub genre. Please unpack that well.
• 1:10:06
  Speaker 1: I mean, you got the Classic, you got die Hard,
• 1:10:09
  Speaker 1: you got die Hard too. Al Camino Christmas isn't it there?
• 1:10:13
  Speaker 1: I mean there are a lot of like feel good
• 1:10:16
  Speaker 1: Christmas movies involving the police, which is a whole other conversation.
• 1:10:22
  Speaker 1: I picked this one because it was recent. I incorrectly
• 1:10:25
  Speaker 1: assumed that it took place in Los Angeles. Um, but
• 1:10:28
  Speaker 1: it seems like, you know, I wasn't alone in that assumption,
• 1:10:31
  Speaker 1: and the way it was sure it was shot in Burbank,
• 1:10:35
  Speaker 1: it probably was. How does it stuck up? Man, I
• 1:10:39
  Speaker 1: gotta say it's I like it because I don't like it.
• 1:10:43
  Speaker 1: Let me rephrase that. I appreciate that there are moments
• 1:10:48
  Speaker 1: where the police are portrayed in ways that are accurate
• 1:10:54
  Speaker 1: to people that are interacting with the police and our
• 1:10:58
  Speaker 1: representative of you know, a lot of people's experiences. What
• 1:11:02
  Speaker 1: I did not like is that it didn't go anywhere
• 1:11:06
  Speaker 1: with that, and those instances they attempted to laugh them
• 1:11:11
  Speaker 1: off in a weird way, like the comment about the bullet.
• 1:11:16
  Speaker 1: I think there was also a remark made about Eric
• 1:11:18
  Speaker 1: being beaten up in custody, which is just why I
• 1:11:24
  Speaker 1: don't know what that is supposed to serve. Hey, maybe
• 1:11:29
  Speaker 1: there is a way to do comedy about the police
• 1:11:33
  Speaker 1: where they are well, actually I know there is. I think,
• 1:11:35
  Speaker 1: like what a lot of things that are happening on
• 1:11:38
  Speaker 1: Reno I think are really smart and are possibly a
• 1:11:42
  Speaker 1: good way to talk about the police in a comedic lens.
• 1:11:46
  Speaker 1: I love that show, although I haven't seen it in
• 1:11:48
  Speaker 1: a while, but I was a huge fan for a while. Yeah,
• 1:11:52
  Speaker 1: from what I it's been a while too, but from
• 1:11:54
  Speaker 1: what I remember, what I did like about that show
• 1:11:56
  Speaker 1: is like, yes, this is how the police behave, and like,
• 1:11:59
  Speaker 1: this is funny, we can laugh at it, but there
• 1:12:01
  Speaker 1: are a lot of real things that play here. I
• 1:12:04
  Speaker 1: feel like this was like attempting to do something like that,
• 1:12:07
  Speaker 1: but Whift incredibly truly. Yeah, I was, I was. I was.
• 1:12:17
  Speaker 1: Nothing about this movie was a pleasant surprise necessarily, but
• 1:12:21
  Speaker 1: I was fully going into this with the I mean,
• 1:12:26
  Speaker 1: even Tim Allen's involvement. I was just like, well, this
• 1:12:29
  Speaker 1: is going to be explicitly pro cop all the way down.
• 1:12:32
  Speaker 1: I was surprised that it even approached a criticism of
• 1:12:36
  Speaker 1: the sheriff's office or or the idea of a sheriff. Again,
• 1:12:40
  Speaker 1: it's like, because the movie is so poorly written, it's
• 1:12:43
  Speaker 1: really hard to know how we're supposed to be feeling.
• 1:12:47
  Speaker 1: But it did feel like there were a few flavors
• 1:12:50
  Speaker 1: of corrupt sheriff presented poorly but presented where it's like
• 1:12:55
  Speaker 1: Dak Shepherd is like an incompetent Carl is drinking and
• 1:13:01
  Speaker 1: inciting violence and making false arrests, and then the dad
• 1:13:05
  Speaker 1: from that seventies show is the one who's like setting
• 1:13:07
  Speaker 1: those precedents of like you're not arresting enough people, and
• 1:13:10
  Speaker 1: it is, you know, And so it was like a
• 1:13:13
  Speaker 1: lot of it seems like, as far as I know
• 1:13:16
  Speaker 1: from listening to and interacting with your work series like
• 1:13:20
  Speaker 1: classically shareff fee things to do. But yeah, but it
• 1:13:24
  Speaker 1: like goes nowhere and we still are supposed to like
• 1:13:27
  Speaker 1: them enough at the end that you want to see
• 1:13:29
  Speaker 1: him go to a hypnotherapist and stop smoking. So not successful.
• 1:13:33
  Speaker 1: What I think it is is what little criticism there
• 1:13:38
  Speaker 1: is about a sheriff's department is mostly directed at Carl,
• 1:13:44
  Speaker 1: and he does seem to be the most corrupt one,
• 1:13:48
  Speaker 1: but he's the baddest apple exactly. The messages like, well
• 1:13:51
  Speaker 1: there's one bad apple, so you know, you can't let
• 1:13:54
  Speaker 1: it spoil the bunch. But but the movie is like, well, yeah,
• 1:13:59
  Speaker 1: Dax Chef Bird's character is incompetent, but you see him improving,
• 1:14:04
  Speaker 1: he's getting better at police work because he's like, yeah,
• 1:14:07
  Speaker 1: I ran the license plates and then and then Sheriff
• 1:14:11
  Speaker 1: Bob is like, wow, good job, buddy, great cop work.
• 1:14:16
  Speaker 1: Like that's like cutting to the end of a movie
• 1:14:18
  Speaker 1: about a chef and then he's like, look, I turned
• 1:14:21
  Speaker 1: the heat on. And they're like, hey, that's good decks,
• 1:14:26
  Speaker 1: good job, you get to keep your job. It's a
• 1:14:30
  Speaker 1: mess um. But does the movie pass the Bechdel test?
• 1:14:35
  Speaker 1: I actually it doesn't, think it does it? Does it does? Okay?
• 1:14:41
  Speaker 1: Is it with horny mom? There are a few scenes
• 1:14:43
  Speaker 1: between Kate and her mom, whose first name we never know,
• 1:14:45
  Speaker 1: but I feel like she's a oh okay, okay. So
• 1:14:49
  Speaker 1: she They have several conversations about, you know, the mom
• 1:14:53
  Speaker 1: going on a date with a man and oh, mom,
• 1:14:56
  Speaker 1: I need you to watch my son. But there is
• 1:14:58
  Speaker 1: a brief exchange where her mom was like, hey, you
• 1:15:02
  Speaker 1: should ask for a raise. If you want something, you
• 1:15:05
  Speaker 1: got a growl for it. And then Kate says, I'm
• 1:15:07
  Speaker 1: waiting for the day you tell me I'm adopted, and
• 1:15:10
  Speaker 1: then her mom says, you just keep on waiting. Wait.
• 1:15:14
  Speaker 1: But does that pass because she works for a man?
• 1:15:17
  Speaker 1: I mean there is some subtext that you could argue
• 1:15:22
  Speaker 1: maybe it doesn't, but he's not explicitly I guess the
• 1:15:26
  Speaker 1: spirit of that do Like, I mean, look, the point
• 1:15:29
  Speaker 1: is and this is a fun place to to just
• 1:15:32
  Speaker 1: remind our listeners as we have to every so often.
• 1:15:36
  Speaker 1: Although the film twitter Um Gestapo will never will never
• 1:15:41
  Speaker 1: listen to this part. But a movie passing the Bechtel
• 1:15:44
  Speaker 1: test doesn't really mean that much. It's really not that important,
• 1:15:51
  Speaker 1: and the movie cannot pass the Bechtel test and it
• 1:15:53
  Speaker 1: doesn't make it bad necessarily. It's just a basic metric
• 1:15:58
  Speaker 1: to get a discussion started of Hey, if this is
• 1:16:01
  Speaker 1: a whole movie and women never speak to each other,
• 1:16:05
  Speaker 1: that feels weird, like that's why the comic was written.
• 1:16:09
  Speaker 1: But but that said, I take you back everything I said.
• 1:16:12
  Speaker 1: This is a feminist classic. I agree with the whole thing.
• 1:16:16
  Speaker 1: Hey fixes a cooler Yeah. And also I will say
• 1:16:20
  Speaker 1: my my favorite part it like knocked this this memory
• 1:16:24
  Speaker 1: loose where when drain No like he tries to do
• 1:16:28
  Speaker 1: like a little flirty gesture by paying for like their
• 1:16:32
  Speaker 1: breakfast at the local diner, and it brought me back
• 1:16:36
  Speaker 1: to this memory I have of being at an eye
• 1:16:38
  Speaker 1: hop in Boston in where I was eating dinner with
• 1:16:44
  Speaker 1: my friend after work and someone an admirer I never
• 1:16:48
  Speaker 1: learned who it was, sent a single over easy egg
• 1:16:52
  Speaker 1: over to the table, and I think about it all
• 1:16:57
  Speaker 1: the time. I was like, was that my husband? Her wife?
• 1:17:00
  Speaker 1: Like who was that? Who did that? And why a
• 1:17:04
  Speaker 1: single egg? That is some nutty ship it was. But
• 1:17:09
  Speaker 1: I found it. The twisted part for me is I
• 1:17:13
  Speaker 1: found it so romantic. I was like, really, I thought
• 1:17:17
  Speaker 1: it was kind of hot that someone did you are
• 1:17:19
  Speaker 1: the hot dog girl. I don't know. I think it's
• 1:17:23
  Speaker 1: the horny ist egg and over easy egg goes like wow,
• 1:17:25
  Speaker 1: the egg that comes like, it's just it really made
• 1:17:30
  Speaker 1: me think. And so when drain No did that, I
• 1:17:33
  Speaker 1: was like, damn, maybe it was drain Now, maybe it
• 1:17:37
  Speaker 1: Mr Egg. If you're listening, send another. Jamie loved it.
• 1:17:40
  Speaker 1: If you're listening, please do not contact me. Leave us alone.
• 1:17:45
  Speaker 1: I don't want to hear from you. Alright, alright, well
• 1:17:49
  Speaker 1: it's time for our nipple scale, in which we rate
• 1:17:51
  Speaker 1: the movie on a scale of zero to five nipples
• 1:17:54
  Speaker 1: based on looking at the movie through an intersectional feminist lens.
• 1:17:59
  Speaker 1: I would give it a half nipple for generous. I know,
• 1:18:04
  Speaker 1: for the as we've discussed, not well executed, attempts to
• 1:18:10
  Speaker 1: provide some kind of meaningful critique on corruption and incompetence
• 1:18:15
  Speaker 1: in a sheriff's department. But it does try a little bit,
• 1:18:18
  Speaker 1: which was more than I was expecting. But again it
• 1:18:21
  Speaker 1: doesn't land. The criticism is flimsy, everything else about the
• 1:18:27
  Speaker 1: movie being extremely ablest, the way people of color are
• 1:18:34
  Speaker 1: characterized in the movie, the way the women are characterized
• 1:18:37
  Speaker 1: in the movie. It's just all extremely lazy and horribly written. Again,
• 1:18:43
  Speaker 1: one of the worst movies I've ever seen. Um, I'll
• 1:18:45
  Speaker 1: take it down to a quarter nipple because I just
• 1:18:48
  Speaker 1: want to give something to Vicente, justice for Vicente. But
• 1:18:53
  Speaker 1: that's it, I guess, like with that framing, Yeah, I
• 1:18:57
  Speaker 1: guess given the quality and cast of this movie the
• 1:19:00
  Speaker 1: I fully expected this movie to be thoroughly pro sheriff
• 1:19:05
  Speaker 1: and so introducing even the remotest criticism, I guess exceeded
• 1:19:09
  Speaker 1: my expectations. I do still feel like I have to
• 1:19:11
  Speaker 1: give it no nipples though, because it's so bad. But
• 1:19:15
  Speaker 1: I guess as an asterisk to that, I think it
• 1:19:19
  Speaker 1: intentionally or not, did show like you're saying, showed some
• 1:19:24
  Speaker 1: actual sheriff behavior, but didn't really go so far as
• 1:19:29
  Speaker 1: to be actually critical of it in a way that
• 1:19:32
  Speaker 1: was cogent um so and as far as representing that
• 1:19:37
  Speaker 1: any marginalized person that was horrible. I guess if I
• 1:19:41
  Speaker 1: had nipples, I would give it to the pop tarts,
• 1:19:44
  Speaker 1: but I don't have any to distribute, so it's going
• 1:19:49
  Speaker 1: to be nothing for no one hey listeners. So normally
• 1:19:53
  Speaker 1: we would have our guests also give their rating right
• 1:19:56
  Speaker 1: about now, but there were some technical issues and our
• 1:20:00
  Speaker 1: s s audio dropped out. From this point on, UM,
• 1:20:03
  Speaker 1: I think Sires gave the movie somewhere between zero and
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  Speaker 1: one nipple. But more importantly, we want you to check
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