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Sharri | 13 April · Sharri

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Speaker 1: Live on Sky News. This is Shari.
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Speaker 2: Welcome to Shari. Steve Price filling in all this week.
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Speaker 2: Coming up on the program tonight, spending twenty million dollars
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Speaker 2: as Andrew Bolt was just discussing on a media campaign
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Speaker 2: to tell Australians to remove their roof racks and stop
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Speaker 2: using car air conditioning is like something from a badly
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Speaker 2: written TV series. I'll have more on that shortly. Also
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Speaker 2: on the program tonight, the Prime Minister taking off again,
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Speaker 2: this time to Malaysia and Brunei to do some horse
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Speaker 2: trading on fuel. I'm not sure why he needs to
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Speaker 2: burn up valuable jet fuel when he can simply pick
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Speaker 2: up the phone. I'll talk to the Shadow Treasurer Tim
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Speaker 2: Wilson on that and real fears of an Australian recession.
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Speaker 2: And midnight tonight Australian East Coast time. President Trump has
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Speaker 2: threatened to prevent ships entering or leaving Iranian ports in
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Speaker 2: the Straits of Hillmer was the latest flashpoint. I'll talk
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Speaker 2: to our panel about the impact that is now going
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Speaker 2: to have, especially on fuel prices. Plus with Kosher Garda,
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Speaker 2: the extraordinary attack by Donald Trump on the head of
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Speaker 2: the Catholic Church, the Pope himself an American. But first,
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Speaker 2: as the US Israel war with Iran enters its seventh
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Speaker 2: week YEP seven, and with weekend peace talks in Pakistan
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Speaker 2: lasting twenty one hours without agreement, the Australian government and
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Speaker 2: presumably some bright spark in probably Energy Minister Chris Bowen's office,
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Speaker 2: decides what we all need is a lesson on how
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Speaker 2: to conserve petrol. Now, the brilliant minds at the Working
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Speaker 2: Dog production team couldn't put this in an episode of
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Speaker 2: the wildly popular series Utopia and make it believable. With
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Speaker 2: diesel prices still well over three dollars a liter and
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Speaker 2: no sign of the straits of whom was getting back
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Speaker 2: to normal, the government has spent your money twenty million
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Speaker 2: dollars on a not very slick ad to be shown
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Speaker 2: on TV and on billboards with the tagline every little
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Speaker 2: bit helps.
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Speaker 3: The global shortage is affecting everyone and we all have
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Speaker 3: a part to play. Your simple actions like pumping up
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Speaker 3: your tires can make our fuel supply go further. For
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Speaker 3: more tips, if is it fuelplan dot gov dot au
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Speaker 3: authorized by the Australian government, camera I.
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Speaker 2: Mean seriously telling people to consider removing rufras checking tire
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Speaker 2: pressure and not accelerating while going to the train station.
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Speaker 2: I mean politicians are treating us all like fools, running
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Speaker 2: a nanny state government, piously lecturing people about fuel use
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Speaker 2: in the middle of a cost of living crisis. I
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Speaker 2: mean Q of course, speaking of pious lectures, out pops
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Speaker 2: Energy Minister Chris Bowen, who even used the daily finger
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Speaker 2: wagging media appearance to sprut the fact, according to him,
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Speaker 2: that if people hadn't taken up the use of electric cars,
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Speaker 2: we would be so much worse off.
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Speaker 4: The number of evs on the road the moment is
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Speaker 4: high in terms of sales, but still pretty modest in
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Speaker 4: terms of percentage of the fleet. But it's taking pressure
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Speaker 4: off petrol use and devil use already materially, not significantly,
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Speaker 4: but materially. That's you know, fifteen million leaders we have
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Speaker 4: available for the farmers that we wouldn't have if people
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Speaker 4: driving evs were driving diesel and petrol cars.
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Speaker 2: Brist Bowen seriously. Now. He ignores, of course, that the
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Speaker 2: uptake of EV's is minuscule, largely driven by wealthy inner
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Speaker 2: urban Australians, and has little of anything to do with
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Speaker 2: the fact that diesel fuel is what keeps Australia moving
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Speaker 2: and feeding itself. B doubles, semi trailers, tractors, headers on
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Speaker 2: a farm, real things, not cheap Chinese evs tooling around
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Speaker 2: the north shore of Sydney or the eastern suburbs of Melbourne.
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Speaker 2: Bowen did have to again tell us the sad take
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Speaker 2: of shutdown fuel stations, including two hundred and five nationwide
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Speaker 2: without diesel.
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Speaker 5: In New South Wales we have one hundred and nine
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Speaker 5: service stations without diesel. That's four point five percent of
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Speaker 5: New South Wales service stations. Sixteen total stockout Victoria thirty
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Speaker 5: four would not diesel seventeen with no unleaded, Queensland thirty six.
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Speaker 5: We know diesel twenty with no unleaded. South Australia four
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Speaker 5: with no diesel, seventeen with no unleaded, Western Australia seven
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Speaker 5: with no diesel, twenty three with no unleaded, Tasmania ten.
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Speaker 2: With no diesel four with no unleaded.
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Speaker 6: Northern Territory four we know diesel two with no unleaded,
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Speaker 6: the Act one without diesel and no shortages of unleaded.
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Speaker 6: That's two hundred and five across the country, which is
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Speaker 6: two point six percent of Australia's service stations without any diesel.
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Speaker 2: Look, it's the delivery. I mean, it's got people throwing
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Speaker 2: things at the television when he turns up every day.
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Speaker 2: The Energy Minister seems to be enjoying this crisis far
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Speaker 2: too much and the opportunity it gives him seven days
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Speaker 2: a week to stand in front of the media pack
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Speaker 2: telling anyone who wants to listen what a great job
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Speaker 2: he is doing. It reminds me of the bad old
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Speaker 2: days of daily media briefings from puffer jacket wearing Daniel Andrews,
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Speaker 2: then the Victorian Premier telling people he was locking them
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Speaker 2: up again. Well, the Prime Ministry himself used a media
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Speaker 2: appearance to announce important changes to the top brass in
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Speaker 2: the adf to defend this hoki ad on the Today
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Speaker 2: Show today and at a later media conference. So white
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Speaker 2: advertising campaign.
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Speaker 7: Certainly a twenty mil because we want because well it
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Speaker 7: goes to your network, amongst others NAT, which is about
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Speaker 7: keeping the economy going and giving people that direct information.
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Speaker 7: We've all seen footage of people driving up to US
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Speaker 7: station filling up jerry cans in packed utes or vans
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Speaker 7: and as well filling up water tanks full of diesel
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Speaker 7: and then that being kept in a similar way to
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Speaker 7: which during COVID pandemic some people filled their garages with
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Speaker 7: toilet paper.
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Speaker 2: He's got no idea what he's talking about it. I mean,
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Speaker 2: who's to say that the people with the utes and
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Speaker 2: the jerry cans weren't local farmers who were not getting
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Speaker 2: their normal delivery of diesel and were forced to go
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Speaker 2: down to the local petrol station and fill up jerry
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Speaker 2: cans with diesel so they could keep their farms running.
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Speaker 2: I mean, Anthony Albanezi doesn't put petrol in his own car.
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Speaker 2: You pay for it. He gets driven around by a
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Speaker 2: show for as every prime minister should, but he's not
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Speaker 2: in touch with the real world. The Opposition was having
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Speaker 2: none of this, So this was Deputy Liberal Leader Joan
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Speaker 2: Hume on breakfast television this morning.
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Speaker 8: I don't think a twenty million dollar advertising campaign wagging
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Speaker 8: its finger at people that have roof racks on their
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Speaker 8: car or haven't pumped up their tires in the last
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Speaker 8: couple of months is the solution here. Twenty million dollars
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Speaker 8: is not a small amount to spend. I'm not entirely
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Speaker 8: sure that this is a good use of taxpayer money.
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Speaker 2: Well, she's right in a useless ads aside. What Australians,
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Speaker 2: especially those using diesel, to keep their businesses running, farmers,
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Speaker 2: trucking companies, the wider economy. What they really want to
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Speaker 2: know is if the conflict, as it seems it will
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Speaker 2: drags on for many more weeks, maybe months, what is
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Speaker 2: the plan going forward? If we have to implement rationing
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Speaker 2: of fuel, especially diesel but also petrol, how will the
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Speaker 2: authorities address that? Will diesel supplies be directed to essential
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Speaker 2: services first? And will Canberra be able to wrangle the
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Speaker 2: states to operate in the national interest or will those
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Speaker 2: with a refinery keep the supply to themselves. We all
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Speaker 2: well remember COVID and how state ego got in the
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Speaker 2: way of national spirit. Yes, Prome Minister Albanezy can get
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Speaker 2: on a jet and go to Singapore, come home and
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Speaker 2: then backtrack to Malaysia and Brunei. You do have to
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Speaker 2: ask yourself why not do it all at once? If
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Speaker 2: you're in Singapore on Thursday, why didn't you go across
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Speaker 2: the bridge into Singapore and then back to Brunei. Can't
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Speaker 2: a phone call do what? A hard at tour of
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Speaker 2: a petrol refinery in overalls be just as effective. He
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Speaker 2: leaves himself wide open. Anthony albanezy to ridicule photo opportunity.
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Speaker 2: Handshakes without written contracts don't actually mean a thing. Joining
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Speaker 2: me first up now my panel tonight, former Labor MP
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Speaker 2: Michael Danby and Women's Forum Australia Head of Advocacy Stephanie Bastian.
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Speaker 2: Welcome to you both. Stephanie. I make that point there
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Speaker 2: those people in those pictures filling up Jerry Cans. The
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Speaker 2: Prime Minister has got no idea who they were and
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Speaker 2: what they were doing. They're probably just trying to keep
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Speaker 2: their business running. They're not hoarders.
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Speaker 9: Oh good evening, and absolutely I mean Australians don't need
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Speaker 9: a twenty million dollar lecture to tell them not to
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Speaker 9: use fuel.
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Speaker 1: It is absolutely ridiculous.
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Speaker 10: What a total waste of money.
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Speaker 9: These people who are trying to fill their resources are
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Speaker 9: worried about the fuel shortage and they rely on fuel,
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Speaker 9: whether they're farmers or people running businesses to keep their
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Speaker 9: businesses going. It's just the tone from the government is
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Speaker 9: absolutely deaf. I think that Matt Cannavan's absolutely correct. We
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Speaker 9: should be looking at self sufficiency and our an easy.
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Speaker 9: Sole focus should be how we can get our oil
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Speaker 9: refineries operating in Australia so that we have some sovereign
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Speaker 9: fuel capacity to ensure that we a get out of
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Speaker 9: this problem. But b don't come into this situation again.
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Speaker 2: Michael, as I said at the start of this, this
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Speaker 2: could be an episode of Utopia. People post COVID are
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Speaker 2: sick of governments talking down to them and the cost
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Speaker 2: of twenty million dollars, As Stephanie said, when we're actually broke.
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Speaker 2: I mean, Australians don't like being treated like fools and
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Speaker 2: for some bloke to get on television and so pump
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Speaker 2: up your tire so you won't use so much petrol.
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Speaker 2: It's insulting.
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Speaker 10: It's so obvious and childish, isn't it.
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Speaker 11: Steve greg Shearan was on You're the segment before with
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Speaker 11: Bolt saying we haven't got any mind sweepers. We're offering
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Speaker 11: nothing to the Americans to help clear the straits. Was
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Speaker 11: in the meantime, we haven't got extra oil fields, so
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Speaker 11: we've got to get that all out of this somewhere,
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Speaker 11: and we should be doing something proactive.
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Speaker 10: And helpful to get it out.
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Speaker 11: The beginning of this blockade is a good thing, but
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Speaker 11: Australia should be have more modern mind sweepers that we
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Speaker 11: ought to be able to help the Americans out with.
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Speaker 2: I mean, just on my practical point, why would Anthony
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Speaker 2: Albanizy fly to Singapore on a Thursday, come back to
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Speaker 2: Australia for the weekend and then get on his plane
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Speaker 2: again tomorrow and go back to Malaysia and Brunei Where
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Speaker 2: he could have gone to those two other places within
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Speaker 2: ten minutes or where he was.
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Speaker 11: He should have stayed up there and taken care of business.
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Speaker 11: Unworrried Abrahim is very fond of Australia.
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Speaker 10: The Malaysian Prime minister.
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Speaker 11: I mean, he is a bit of a Islamist radical,
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Speaker 11: but we supported him getting out of jail when he
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Speaker 11: was accused by the previous nine year old prime minister.
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Speaker 11: So I don't know why, but I didn't do it
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Speaker 11: all in one go. It just looks wasteful, doesn't it
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Speaker 11: When he's complaining about having not enough fuel here in Australia.
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Speaker 2: And I think people want to know if there is
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Speaker 2: going to be rationing of fuel, how will that work.
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Speaker 2: I mean, that's not going to panic people. It lets
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Speaker 2: people prepare. So you say Look, if we get through
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Speaker 2: to the end of May and this is still not fixed,
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Speaker 2: we're going to have to introduce a series of rationing
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Speaker 2: measures on petrol and diesel. And these are the people
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Speaker 2: who'll get it first, and then we'll go to you
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Speaker 2: and to you and to you. Don't we deserve to
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Speaker 2: know that?
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Speaker 12: Oh?
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Speaker 1: Absolutely?
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Speaker 9: I mean the government's withholding a lot of information at
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Speaker 9: the moment. Perhaps they don't have a plan yet, which
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Speaker 9: would be even more concerning. But if they if they
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Speaker 9: are going to withhold fuel, what are they going to
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Speaker 9: do to make people, families get around school? Are they
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Speaker 9: going to make some concessions on public transport?
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Speaker 1: Things like that?
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Speaker 9: I mean Australians are being completely left in the dark.
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Speaker 9: It doesn't mean that the government. The government seems very secretive,
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Speaker 9: but it actually makes them probably look more incompetent because
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Speaker 9: they're not being forthcoming with the answers with suggests. Perhaps
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Speaker 9: they don't have them.
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Speaker 2: Michael President Trump obaly clearly today telling us he's not
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Speaker 2: going to back down peace talks in Pakistan. I think
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Speaker 2: they went for twenty one hours and they've now ended.
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Speaker 2: In impass. He's ordering a naval blockade of the Straits
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Speaker 2: of Humusa. What he's going to do, it appears, has
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Speaker 2: put the US Navy in there to prevent ships going
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Speaker 2: in and out of Uranian ports. That's going to kick
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Speaker 2: in if Iran doesn't cave by midnight tonight, So you
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Speaker 2: can presume that's going to happen. President Trump was very
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Speaker 2: vocal today as he normally is, and he's accused run
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Speaker 2: of a whole bunch of things. This is not going
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Speaker 2: to finish quickly, it wouldn't seem But how dangerous is
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Speaker 2: it when you're now talking about putting naval assets, American
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Speaker 2: naval assets into that strait.
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Speaker 11: Well, it's passing strange to that the ships that were
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Speaker 11: going out of there were all Iranian ships. They've blocked
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Speaker 11: the straits of a mus but they're still able to
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Speaker 11: raise money from their shipments outwards to China. So you know,
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Speaker 11: I think that the international experts i've heard say that
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Speaker 11: this is the Chinese and a lot of the other countries.
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Speaker 11: We put a lot of pressure on Iran now to
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Speaker 11: let all ships through, and that's certainly what we want.
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Speaker 11: And I think oil is the lifeline of the Irgc
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Speaker 11: fanatics who run that country, and if they're starved of revenue.
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Speaker 10: Hopefully this will bring them to the table.
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Speaker 11: We've got two weeks the ceasefire lars until then, hopefully
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Speaker 11: the Uranians will make concessions, which will mean that we
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Speaker 11: can particularly opening the straits of Wilmers, that we can
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Speaker 11: all move on.
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Speaker 2: Stephanie, I note that Donald Trump again today reiterated that
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Speaker 2: Iran will not get a nuclear weapon. I mean, that's
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Speaker 2: the message that where this all began, and he was
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Speaker 2: very very firm on that again today. They will not
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Speaker 2: get a nuclear weapon. There could not be anyone other
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Speaker 2: than the Iranian leadership in the world that would want
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Speaker 2: a Ran to have a nuclear bomp.
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Speaker 8: Oh.
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Speaker 9: Absolutely, and given how much terrorism they've funded across the
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Speaker 9: Middle East, are we surprised? Look, I think these blockades
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Speaker 9: are very important. The US is coming from a very
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Speaker 9: strong position, given the fact that they now produce a
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Speaker 9: significant number of oil and gas themselves. Twenty years ago,
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Speaker 9: they didn't have these cards to play with. And so
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Speaker 9: what these block cards are doing is that they are
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Speaker 9: actually putting pressure on Iran's customers China and India and
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Speaker 9: of course Iran itself, who needs to make money.
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Speaker 13: Their country relies on.
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Speaker 9: Supplying these The income from supplying oil. So fingers crossed
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Speaker 9: that this is successful and that it doesn't create and
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Speaker 9: all out, all out conflict of war and military conflict.
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Speaker 2: Michael back to the much lighter issues of the week.
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Speaker 2: I note that I think it's tomorrow the former Prince
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Speaker 2: Harry and his wife Megan are back in Australia. I
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Speaker 2: note with interest that the current Governor General Sam Mostyn
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Speaker 2: is too busy. She's not going to meet with Harry.
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Speaker 2: You have to ask the question on Harry will be
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Speaker 2: in Melbourne and I think Megan is going to be
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Speaker 2: in Sydney. Who's paying for the security here? Victorian taxpayers?
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Speaker 2: I presume I understand so.
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Speaker 11: But so we've got not enough money for extra police officers.
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Speaker 11: We've got police stations closing down, we've got a soaring
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Speaker 11: crime rate, and we're protecting.
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Speaker 10: What are they called ginger and winder.
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Speaker 11: Doesn't seem to be a particular priority for the broke J.
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Speaker 10: Cinter Allen, No.
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Speaker 2: I wouldn't have thought so, Stephanie. Prince Harry's going to
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Speaker 2: attend a Melbourne mental health summit, charging twy three hundred
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Speaker 2: and seventy eight dollars a ticket or seventeen thousand dollars
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Speaker 2: a table. Now I'm not sure whether the money goes
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Speaker 2: to the charity he's appearing for or it goes to
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Speaker 2: someone else. Megan is headlining a Sydney retreat. I'm sure
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Speaker 2: you're not going, Stephanie, which you will cost two six
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Speaker 2: hundred and ninety nine dollars a day. I think it
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Speaker 2: goes for three days. She's going to be interviewed by
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Speaker 2: all people Jackie O from the famous Kyle and Jackie O' show.
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Speaker 2: These are private individuals. I just don't ai. I don't
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Speaker 2: understand why they're here, how they can still be charging
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Speaker 2: that amount of money, and who would want to go.
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Speaker 9: Well, I can certainly think of much better ways to
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Speaker 9: spend two and a half grand I'm sure most Australians
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Speaker 9: can too. I mean, the whole thing's ridiculous. Let's call
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Speaker 9: this what this is though. They are not out here
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Speaker 9: for charity, they are here for a business venture and
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Speaker 9: it is utterly absurd that taxpayers have been are being
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Speaker 9: foot the bill for their policing and their protection. People
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Speaker 9: could be outraged by this, and I think both the
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Speaker 9: New South Wales and Victoria and government need to be
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Speaker 9: forthcoming about how much this is going to cost.
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Speaker 2: Yes, and indeed we would like to know Michael into
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Speaker 2: your area of expertise. Premier Allen, Jacinda Allen, she's had
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Speaker 2: three more of her senior minister's jump ship today. They're
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Speaker 2: not going to recontest the next election. That makes four.
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Speaker 2: You know how the factions work in Victorian politics. She's
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Speaker 2: now going to have to reshuffle her cabinet. It's not
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Speaker 2: a good look five six months out from an election,
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Speaker 2: is it.
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Speaker 11: It just shows you that many people think they're going
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Speaker 11: to do very bad. And I don't think all of
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Speaker 11: those people who are going to lose their particular seats,
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Speaker 11: but they're looking to get some commercial advantage of themselves,
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Speaker 11: well they're still in office. I think the big thing
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Speaker 11: with the Victorian elections is the one nation Liberal party
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Speaker 11: exchange of preferences.
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Speaker 10: Will it work and will favor.
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Speaker 11: The conservative side of politics or will And I'm making
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Speaker 11: a prediction about this, Steve, if the Liberals don't preference
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Speaker 11: against the Greens inn city seats, the Greens win more
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Speaker 11: seats in inner city Melbourne and hold up just cinder
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Speaker 11: Allum like a rope supports a hanging man.
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Speaker 2: Stephan Now I bumped into Jess Willson, the opposition leader.
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Speaker 2: She was in here talking to Peter Kredlin tonight. I
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Speaker 2: don't Understan. My understanding is they've still not decided whether
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Speaker 2: they will do a deal with one nation and preference,
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Speaker 2: and they'd be crazy not to, wouldn't they.
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Speaker 1: Oh? Absolutely.
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Speaker 9: I mean this whole avoidance, this whole strategy of criticizing
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Speaker 9: and bagging one nation. I mean so much of the
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Speaker 9: Liberal base has gone to one Nation because both major
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Speaker 9: parties are drop the ball on the issues that matter
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Speaker 9: to them. I think that they are foolish.
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Speaker 1: They should not buy.
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Speaker 9: Into the left wing narrative that one nation are dangerous
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Speaker 9: or out of touch. The reality is they are talking.
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Speaker 9: They are sending a message to every day working people
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Speaker 9: that they have their interests at heart.
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Speaker 10: No government bureaucracies.
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Speaker 9: They're talking about waste of money, They're talking about the
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Speaker 9: pressures of housing and the causes of that around immigration,
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Speaker 9: They're talking about tax reform. So if I were the
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Speaker 9: Liberal Party, I'd do what they did. In South Australia,
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Speaker 9: our leader here, Ashton Hearn, was very clear that she
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Speaker 9: was supportive of doing a deal with one Nation and
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Speaker 9: she didn't want to lose one Nation voters to labor
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Speaker 9: and Jess Wilson should be looking to that and doing
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Speaker 9: the same.
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Speaker 2: Stephanie, Michael, thank you very much for joining us tonight.
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Speaker 2: I appreciate it. Let's go back to the Middle East now.
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Speaker 2: The first face to face US Iran talks happened, as
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Speaker 2: I mentioned to Michael, in Islamabad, twenty one hours of negotiation,
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Speaker 2: a blunt warning from J. D Vans Tehran Tayran refused
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Speaker 2: to accept the terms on the nuclear weapons, and then
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Speaker 2: you had the President Donald Trump jumping off Force one
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Speaker 2: today reiterating Iran will never have a nuclear weapon, joining
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Speaker 2: me in our former Australian Major General Mick Ryan. Mick,
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Speaker 2: the ceasefire still pretty fragile, but Donald Trump's revisited what
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Speaker 2: was the original court reason that both Israel and the
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Speaker 2: US went into Iran, and this is that nuclear question.
20:11
Speaker 2: The Iranians don't seem at all interested in giving up
20:14
Speaker 2: that enriched uranium, do they?
20:18
Speaker 14: No, they don't. Stephen. I think that at this point
20:21
Speaker 14: in time, the Iranians appear to have more cards than
20:23
Speaker 14: Donald Trump does in negotiating an end to this war.
20:27
Speaker 14: But neither of them, I think, really want to head
20:30
Speaker 14: back into hostilities at the end of the ceasefire. So
20:33
Speaker 14: at the moment we're seeing posturing. I believe for the
20:35
Speaker 14: next round of negotiations, this will probably be a drawn
20:40
Speaker 14: out set of negotiations. No war really ever ends with
20:43
Speaker 14: a single conversation.
20:46
Speaker 2: Well, some of these peace and negotiations I was listening
20:49
Speaker 2: to Andrew Bolt before in this very conflict in the
20:53
Speaker 2: Middle East have gone on for year after year after years,
20:55
Speaker 2: So no one thinks it's going to be fixed quickly.
20:58
Speaker 2: With your military experience, I mean, how much of a
21:02
Speaker 2: dangerous phase do we enter if American naval assets send
21:08
Speaker 2: into the straits of Hormers to police who goes in,
21:11
Speaker 2: who goes out, who's paying, who's.
21:13
Speaker 14: Not well, we should be a no doubt that the
21:16
Speaker 14: US Navy deservedly has a reputation as the most powerful
21:20
Speaker 14: and effective navy in the world, has done since the
21:23
Speaker 14: end of the Second World War. That said, the Iranians
21:27
Speaker 14: know the straight well. They've been preparing for this kind
21:31
Speaker 14: of contingency for decades with suicide boats, drones and mines,
21:36
Speaker 14: so they will aim to make it as difficult as
21:39
Speaker 14: they possibly can for the US Navy.
21:43
Speaker 2: So it's very difficult, as I understand it, to mind
21:46
Speaker 2: sweep that stretch of water. It's narrow, and I've heard
21:51
Speaker 2: naval experts say that, Look, once you get in there,
21:54
Speaker 2: it's going to take us. If we do do that,
21:56
Speaker 2: it's going to take us, not days, not weeks, probably months.
22:01
Speaker 14: Yeah, it's getting rid of c minds has always been
22:04
Speaker 14: a difficult and endeavor. Even when you know where they are,
22:07
Speaker 14: it can be a pretty tough undertaking. I mean, Australia
22:11
Speaker 14: removed mines from its coastline after the Second World War
22:13
Speaker 14: and there were still times we missed them. So this
22:16
Speaker 14: will be pretty difficult even with all the new technologies.
22:19
Speaker 14: And if the US Navy and others do need to
22:22
Speaker 14: do mind sweeping, it is not going to be a
22:25
Speaker 14: fast undertaking.
22:27
Speaker 2: I know. Today in the announcement by the Prime Minister,
22:30
Speaker 2: the new head of the Defense Force, new head of
22:32
Speaker 2: the ADF was asked a question about whether the Australian
22:36
Speaker 2: Navy had the assets at hand to send to the
22:40
Speaker 2: Straits of Rumors if the Americans asked. He made the
22:43
Speaker 2: point that we had eight naval vessels at sea at
22:47
Speaker 2: the moment, and he talked about the radar systems on
22:51
Speaker 2: board those frigates and the fact that they were armed
22:54
Speaker 2: with missiles. What did you make of those comments if
22:57
Speaker 2: you saw them.
22:58
Speaker 14: Well, at the end of the day, the Army, Navy
23:01
Speaker 14: or Air Force having assets ready at a moment's notice
23:04
Speaker 14: is what they do and what they should always be
23:07
Speaker 14: prepared to do. But ultimately this will be a political
23:10
Speaker 14: decision and the Prime Minister will have to decide what
23:14
Speaker 14: is more important of supporting an American military operation which
23:18
Speaker 14: other allies have declined to support, or focusing on negotiations
23:24
Speaker 14: that might bring down the cost of fuel for Australian consumers.
23:30
Speaker 2: Are you surprised that the PM hasn't picked up the
23:32
Speaker 2: phone and spoken to Donald Trump and simply made the
23:36
Speaker 2: point that if you need something, let us know.
23:41
Speaker 14: Well, I'm not sure whether that is the case. We
23:44
Speaker 14: don't know every single conversation that goes on behind the
23:47
Speaker 14: scenes by diplomats and other members of government and between
23:51
Speaker 14: different militaries. Undoubtedly there will have been informal conversations, and
23:57
Speaker 14: at the very least, as we've seen from history, the
24:00
Speaker 14: Americans generally say to us, if we ask you for this,
24:03
Speaker 14: what might your endser be? So I'd say there will
24:06
Speaker 14: have been conversations in the background, but those direct conversations
24:09
Speaker 14: between the Prime Minister and President, maybe something that the
24:12
Speaker 14: government might be seeking to avoid.
24:16
Speaker 2: Going back. I think it was last week or the
24:18
Speaker 2: week before. I mean, this thing's been going for nearly
24:20
Speaker 2: seven weeks. Now you lose a bit of time. We
24:22
Speaker 2: were told that a Special Operations Force out of Australia,
24:27
Speaker 2: the SAS, had sent a number I think it was
24:31
Speaker 2: eighty into the region into the UAE at that air
24:36
Speaker 2: base near Dubai. What do you think they were sent
24:39
Speaker 2: there for.
24:42
Speaker 14: Well, we have soldiers traveling around the world every single
24:46
Speaker 14: day of the year where they're going to support our
24:48
Speaker 14: embassies to do security assessments, to do contingency planning if
24:53
Speaker 14: at any time in the future there ever needs to
24:55
Speaker 14: be an evacuation. So they are the kind of activities
24:59
Speaker 14: that Australia and soldiers do day in, day out around
25:02
Speaker 14: the world. And you know this deployment, if it was
25:06
Speaker 14: of that size and it was from that organization, probably
25:10
Speaker 14: would have been something along those lines.
25:14
Speaker 2: I want to just get your reaction to this grab here.
25:16
Speaker 2: Donald Trump's also talking about what whether he would remain
25:21
Speaker 2: within NATO. I mean, I don't think anyone believes he'll
25:25
Speaker 2: really definitely pull out. But here's what he had to say.
25:29
Speaker 15: I'm very disappointed in NATO. They didn't do that. They
25:32
Speaker 15: weren't there for us. Now they want to come up,
25:34
Speaker 15: but there's no real threat anymore, but NATO was not
25:38
Speaker 15: there for it. We spent trillions of dollars on NATO
25:42
Speaker 15: to help them guide really against Russia. I think that's
25:46
Speaker 15: going to be under a very serious example one.
25:50
Speaker 2: Even in his first term, he had to be in
25:52
Speaker 2: his bondet about how much America is funding NATO. Would
25:55
Speaker 2: do you think he really would definitely walk away from
25:58
Speaker 2: that alliance, which has been probably the strongest alliance since
26:01
Speaker 2: the end of World War Two.
26:04
Speaker 14: I think it's very difficult to see that one. Because
26:06
Speaker 14: the president can't take the United States out of its alliances.
26:10
Speaker 14: Congress has to do that. And notwithstanding the current nature
26:14
Speaker 14: of Congress and how it pretty much supports a president
26:17
Speaker 14: with everything, even this might be a bridge too far
26:20
Speaker 14: for them. But the president can do things such as
26:24
Speaker 14: allocate money for US forces in countries. It did help
26:27
Speaker 14: the United States and not spend a lot of money
26:31
Speaker 14: on basis where the United States currently has forces in countries,
26:36
Speaker 14: but he perceives did not help them at the end
26:38
Speaker 14: of the day, the NATO Alliance is better for America
26:42
Speaker 14: being in it. It is a long standing alliance. It's
26:45
Speaker 14: guaranteed security in Europe, which has made America a lot
26:49
Speaker 14: of money over many decades.
26:52
Speaker 2: Yeah, I hope you're right. Thank you, Mick Oll. It's
26:53
Speaker 2: great to catch up and you appreciate your time. Tonight,
26:55
Speaker 2: still to come on the program, we'll get more reaction
26:58
Speaker 2: to Labor's silly fuel lad with the Shadow Treasurer at
27:01
Speaker 2: Tim Wilson Hill join us plus on the Programer a
27:04
Speaker 2: proposed gas tax could wreck investment in natural gas energy
27:08
Speaker 2: experts or Kavonic will join me. Live up next, Welcome
27:15
Speaker 2: back to see price in for Shari. Tonight, I'll catch
27:17
Speaker 2: up in a moment with the Shadow treasure of Tim Wilson.
27:19
Speaker 2: I'm sure he'll have a critique of the Albanizi government's
27:24
Speaker 2: twenty million dollar ad telling you to take rufras off
27:27
Speaker 2: your car, pump up your tires, and not accelerate too
27:30
Speaker 2: harshly ridiculous. President Trump going back to the Middle East,
27:34
Speaker 2: he says that empty tankers are already heading to the
27:38
Speaker 2: United States from Europe to load up on US oil
27:43
Speaker 2: after the Strait of Humu's disruption. He's also claiming I
27:47
Speaker 2: thought this was a very interesting claim that America has
27:50
Speaker 2: more oil than Russia and Saudi Arabia combined. Here's the president.
27:55
Speaker 15: There are many boats heading board our country. You can
27:58
Speaker 15: fill up with oil and then go and take it.
28:01
Speaker 15: So they're not going to go through the hormone straight
28:04
Speaker 15: and ultimately that'll be corrected. But in the meantime they're
28:08
Speaker 15: using US. We have more oil because of drill, baby, drill.
28:13
Speaker 15: We have more oil than Russia and Saudi Arabia put together.
28:18
Speaker 2: Joining me now is MS two Financial Energy Elnis Saul Kavonic,
28:22
Speaker 2: who knows more about this than just about anyone else.
28:24
Speaker 2: Donald Trump says the US has got more oil than
28:27
Speaker 2: Russia and Saudi combined. True or false?
28:34
Speaker 16: Well, it depends on what metric you want to use.
28:36
Speaker 16: In terms of production, the US is actually quite close.
28:41
Speaker 16: Russia and Saudi produce a little over twenty million bottles
28:44
Speaker 16: a day. The US is just shy of that. Once
28:48
Speaker 16: you factor in all their liquids and nng ls as well,
28:53
Speaker 16: and in terms of proven reserves, the US is much smaller.
28:58
Speaker 16: But if you factor in the potential gale or the shale.
29:01
Speaker 1: Results in the US.
29:02
Speaker 16: Well, if you wanted to, you can make some pretty
29:05
Speaker 16: wild assumptions and get there to get to that picture.
29:09
Speaker 1: But I think perhaps the narrative.
29:12
Speaker 16: That the US as god from being very import dependent
29:16
Speaker 16: to now being a net exporter and that.
29:19
Speaker 1: Its position could grow is still.
29:21
Speaker 16: A valid one, even if the full extent of that
29:25
Speaker 16: claim is up for debate.
29:29
Speaker 2: Drill baby drill is obviously work sore. But the other
29:32
Speaker 2: claim the President made there on the tarmac was that
29:36
Speaker 2: there are empty oil tankers. Presumably he was meaning heading
29:40
Speaker 2: to the US to load up right now and then
29:42
Speaker 2: presumably distribute that oil around the world. Is that also
29:47
Speaker 2: a correct assumption?
29:49
Speaker 16: That is right, we're seeing US exports now to help
29:54
Speaker 16: make up for some of the shortfalls of the strado
29:56
Speaker 16: for moors. In fact, Australia is importing all and oil
30:01
Speaker 16: products like diesel directly from the United States, including refinery
30:07
Speaker 16: related ports like cherry. Point of course, we're also taking
30:11
Speaker 16: some diesel from places as far away as the Netherlands
30:14
Speaker 16: given this crisis. But no, it's true the US has
30:17
Speaker 16: it's basically been embracing drilling the new technologies for over
30:23
Speaker 16: a decade now, which is taking it to be a
30:25
Speaker 16: net ex border of fuel and there's potential for that
30:28
Speaker 16: to grow further, and which is why last time there
30:32
Speaker 16: was a major oil market shock in the seventies, the
30:35
Speaker 16: US was really in dire straits. This time, the US,
30:39
Speaker 16: while it's still linked to international markets, it's not going
30:42
Speaker 16: to go short of oil. And actually other places like
30:45
Speaker 16: in Europe and here in Asia are far worse off
30:47
Speaker 16: than the US is. And this is a reminder by
30:50
Speaker 16: being self sufficient in fuels is so important, not just
30:53
Speaker 16: for an energy pricing perspective, but an economic security and
30:57
Speaker 16: national security one too. A lesson we canerly take some
31:01
Speaker 16: heat of here in Australia.
31:03
Speaker 2: Well, the Prime Minister's off again tomorrow is going to
31:06
Speaker 2: Malaysia and Brunei to talk to their leaders about guarantees
31:10
Speaker 2: of distilled fuel, whether it be diesel or petrol or
31:13
Speaker 2: avgas back to Australia. Are we in the line to
31:20
Speaker 2: actually get reserves from the United States? Would that be
31:24
Speaker 2: possible that we could buy oil out of the US,
31:27
Speaker 2: bring it back to Australia and distill it in one
31:30
Speaker 2: of the two distilleries that we still have operating.
31:36
Speaker 1: Well, that's happening already.
31:38
Speaker 16: Like I said, we are now importing fuel and oil
31:41
Speaker 16: from the US into Australia.
31:44
Speaker 1: We actually are.
31:45
Speaker 16: What's more important for Australia is to refine fuels, jet
31:47
Speaker 16: fuel and diesel, whether it's the most shortages, rather than
31:50
Speaker 16: crude oil itself. Over eighty percent of our fuel needs
31:53
Speaker 16: have to be direct refined product.
31:55
Speaker 1: Imports because we only have two small old.
31:58
Speaker 16: Refineries left which count for less than twenty percent of
32:01
Speaker 16: our demand. But the US is going to certainly play
32:05
Speaker 16: a part in that. Now the oil market is global,
32:08
Speaker 16: so there's a zero sum game here. It's not a
32:11
Speaker 16: case of well we're getting less barrel out of Saudi Arabia,
32:14
Speaker 16: so we can take one more barrel out of the US.
32:16
Speaker 1: Everyone's competing for the same barrels.
32:18
Speaker 16: When there's a shortage, you're seeing companies and increasingly governments
32:23
Speaker 16: increase for the more limited supply veil or which drives
32:25
Speaker 16: up prices. That's why you're seeing the government make these
32:29
Speaker 16: trips and right up at the proposterial level, reaching out
32:33
Speaker 16: to Singapore, South Korea, Japan, China and Malaysia to try
32:37
Speaker 16: to make sure that they don't divert supply that we
32:39
Speaker 16: would otherwise be buying. On commercial terms away to another
32:42
Speaker 16: nation due to political factors. And that's why that diplomatic
32:46
Speaker 16: engagement is so important here and why it really needs
32:49
Speaker 16: to be successful. And the concern is that the government
32:52
Speaker 16: may not be having a full degree of success in
32:54
Speaker 16: its diplomatic efforts here.
32:57
Speaker 2: So how quickly could we we juvenate our own exploration
33:03
Speaker 2: forum and I think we know where it is in
33:06
Speaker 2: large cases, and extract oil ourselves in Australia and get
33:09
Speaker 2: back to refining it and making ourselves, like the Americans,
33:13
Speaker 2: self sufficient.
33:17
Speaker 16: Well right now, the two most prospective oil resources we
33:21
Speaker 16: could develop include the Tarum Trough in Queensland and you've
33:24
Speaker 16: seen the Christopheriitia government's now hiderlining that over last week
33:28
Speaker 16: or so, and also the better Base and off sure
33:30
Speaker 16: Western Australia. Now, between these two areas, they could make
33:35
Speaker 16: us about self sufficient for close to a third of
33:38
Speaker 16: our entire fuel needs by around the end of the decade.
33:44
Speaker 16: We'd have to also upgrade some out of refining infrastructure
33:47
Speaker 16: to enable that as well. That would be an incredible start.
33:51
Speaker 16: Now to get fully self sufficient, we'll need further kind
33:54
Speaker 16: of greenfield exploration around parts of the country.
33:57
Speaker 1: That's a longer term option.
34:00
Speaker 16: The problem we have now is we have hostility and
34:03
Speaker 16: inertia embedded within government departments, which makes getting any new
34:09
Speaker 16: oil project off the ground exceedingly difficult. Approval time homes
34:13
Speaker 16: that used to take a couple of months can now
34:15
Speaker 16: take a couple of years, and that's even after a
34:17
Speaker 16: more pragmatic and Murray White has been appointed to the
34:20
Speaker 16: Environmental Minister.
34:21
Speaker 1: This situation is.
34:23
Speaker 16: Really a wake up call for Australigy be more self
34:25
Speaker 16: sufficient and fuels. The next maritime crisis could be closer
34:29
Speaker 16: to the Home to the Pacific rather than the Middle East,
34:32
Speaker 16: and Australia would be able to fill in three weeks
34:34
Speaker 16: and our Taiak economy would crumble. If there was ever
34:38
Speaker 16: a pressing need to turn around our government's hostility towards oil,
34:45
Speaker 16: now's the time and it couldn't be more urgent.
34:50
Speaker 2: Yeah, if anything good can come out of this conflict,
34:52
Speaker 2: that would be It's always really good to catch up
34:54
Speaker 2: with you. Thank you very much. We'll catch you soon
34:57
Speaker 2: coming up after the break still to come. Victim all
35:00
Speaker 2: ban is out in a political earthquake in Hungary, We'll
35:02
Speaker 2: get the fallout with kosher gata plus labor rules out
35:06
Speaker 2: DS ndis means testing, So where on earth are we
35:09
Speaker 2: going to get the savings? I'll catch up next for
35:12
Speaker 2: the Shadow treasure of Timilsen. Welcome back to Steve Price
35:18
Speaker 2: in first Shari Marks and all this week. Look, I
35:20
Speaker 2: want to go back to the fuel crisis and that
35:23
Speaker 2: ad the government's ad spending twenty million dollars of your money.
35:26
Speaker 2: I've shown bits of it to you already. We don't
35:28
Speaker 2: need to go through it again, but it is just
35:31
Speaker 2: completely ridiculous. And I also want to look at what
35:34
Speaker 2: one of the country's most clever business people has said today,
35:38
Speaker 2: a manufacturer warning that Canberra's spending is making things for
35:43
Speaker 2: the economy so much worse now, A man I've got
35:45
Speaker 2: great regard for jco founder Jerry Ryan, says that the
35:49
Speaker 2: caravan sector is being kicked again by higher fuel costs
35:53
Speaker 2: and obviously supply pressure and weaker demand. That's what he's
35:57
Speaker 2: told The Australian. He says, quote, if you took out
35:59
Speaker 2: governments spending, we'd be in a recession, but the government
36:02
Speaker 2: spending causes inflation. Joining me now on the line is
36:06
Speaker 2: Shadow Treasurer Tim Wilson. I know you've probably got a
36:09
Speaker 2: lot of regard for Jerry Ryan as well. Tim. He's
36:12
Speaker 2: made a huge success of his business in Victoria.
36:15
Speaker 1: Is he right.
36:17
Speaker 2: Fundamentally? Yes.
36:19
Speaker 13: The problem we've got is there's been a complete collapse
36:21
Speaker 13: in private sector confidence in Australia. As a consequence, we
36:26
Speaker 13: are not seeing the investment for the future. The government
36:29
Speaker 13: is trying to prop up the numbers through public spending,
36:33
Speaker 13: so they're causing the problem and then they're inflating the
36:37
Speaker 13: economy in the hope that they can solve it. But
36:39
Speaker 13: what they're actually doing is increasing prices for Australians and
36:42
Speaker 13: then taxing the inflation. Their reality is Jerry Ryan's one
36:47
Speaker 13: hundred percent right. The challenge is we need the government
36:50
Speaker 13: to respond in a prudent way, and that's the complete
36:53
Speaker 13: opposite of their approach.
36:56
Speaker 2: Why doesn't government listen to people as successful as someone
36:59
Speaker 2: like Jerry Ryan. I mean, if you're going to talk
37:01
Speaker 2: to someone about running a successful business, it could be
37:04
Speaker 2: no better people a person than Jerry Well. Why wouldn't
37:07
Speaker 2: Charmers pick the phone up and talk to it.
37:11
Speaker 13: Well, Jim Chalmers has all the answers, don't you know?
37:14
Speaker 13: He said only March last year, so just over twelve
37:17
Speaker 13: months last year. That Australia had turned the inflation corner.
37:21
Speaker 13: He was both full and cocky about it. But unfortunately
37:24
Speaker 13: the Reserve Bank has had to deliver some pretty harsh truths.
37:28
Speaker 13: When Michelle Bullock recently increased interest rates, she said specifically
37:32
Speaker 13: it was about the pre water pre war data, which
37:36
Speaker 13: worryingly means that there may be more inflation intrate pressure
37:41
Speaker 13: to come This time requires a bit of humility from
37:44
Speaker 13: the government and from Jim Charmers, and that starts by
37:48
Speaker 13: listening to people and understanding if you keep pouring debt
37:51
Speaker 13: petrol on the inflation fire, inflation will continue to age.
37:57
Speaker 2: They seem very good at spending taxpayers money. And I
38:00
Speaker 2: only fell off a couch last night, Tim when I
38:02
Speaker 2: heard that twenty million dollars has been spent on this
38:06
Speaker 2: ad that I've shown a couple of times tonight in
38:08
Speaker 2: a fuel crisis, telling us, of all things, to take
38:11
Speaker 2: off the roof racks, don't accelerate fast, I mean, turn
38:15
Speaker 2: off your air conditioning in your car. I mean, seriously.
38:18
Speaker 2: People are sick and tired post COVID of governments talking
38:22
Speaker 2: down to people and treating us like a bunch of fools.
38:27
Speaker 13: Australians don't like to be patronized, Steve, and we know
38:31
Speaker 13: what this ad campaign is about. Everybody is very sensitive
38:34
Speaker 13: to petrol prices or diesel prices, it doesn't matter who
38:37
Speaker 13: you are, and they're just doing as part of their
38:40
Speaker 13: political spin what Australians. Austrains are very cautious at the moment,
38:44
Speaker 13: are very anxious about where things are going overseas. They
38:47
Speaker 13: want prioritization of their money to be spent on relieving
38:52
Speaker 13: pressure on households.
38:53
Speaker 1: Twenty million dollars is.
38:55
Speaker 13: Basically equivalent to about another dollar you could have taken
38:57
Speaker 13: off everybody's petrol bill, but instead it's been spent on spin.
39:02
Speaker 2: As I said at the start of the program, the
39:04
Speaker 2: PM is very good at jumping on his Prime Ministerial
39:07
Speaker 2: jet and using very hard to get jet fuel to
39:11
Speaker 2: travel around Asia. I mean he went to Singapore last week.
39:14
Speaker 2: I made the point at start the show tim when
39:17
Speaker 2: he was in Singapore, he knew he had to go
39:19
Speaker 2: to Malaysia and Brunei. They're pretty close to Singapore.
39:24
Speaker 13: Yeah, I mean, yes, it's not just money fuel. It's
39:28
Speaker 13: also time we need the Prime Minister focus on his job.
39:32
Speaker 13: We've had five budgets soon and the government has basically
39:36
Speaker 13: got them all wrong in terms of their focus on Australians.
39:40
Speaker 13: I know the Prime Minister likes to jet around the region.
39:43
Speaker 13: I know he likes to walk off the stairs and
39:45
Speaker 13: get photographs of himself. Well, we actually need is a
39:48
Speaker 13: government that's focused on the Australian people right now. They've
39:52
Speaker 13: gone over to Singapore last week. They've made announcements about
39:56
Speaker 13: providing fuel security, but with a giant astrid attached to it,
40:01
Speaker 13: which is so long as fuel can be supplied.
40:03
Speaker 2: Australians need something more sure.
40:05
Speaker 13: From their government right now, not just press conferences and
40:09
Speaker 13: press releases that won't deliver a single leater of petrol
40:13
Speaker 13: to the bowser.
40:16
Speaker 2: We're only weeks away from the budget now. I mean
40:17
Speaker 2: one of the discussion points obviously has been the NDIS
40:21
Speaker 2: and the amount of money that that is costing the budget.
40:24
Speaker 2: I mean, everybody wants anyone with a genuine disability to
40:27
Speaker 2: be properly looked after, but this scheme is completely out
40:31
Speaker 2: of control. You almost need to go back to ground zero.
40:34
Speaker 2: Would have you made a decision yet as a coalition
40:38
Speaker 2: as to whether you would means test the NDIS.
40:42
Speaker 13: We haven't made an explicit decision on that. But the
40:45
Speaker 13: one thing we have made clear is that we need
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Speaker 13: to start with the problems of corruption. That's it at
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Speaker 13: the heart of the NDIS. Even the National Disability Insurance
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Speaker 13: Agency themselves has said that at least ten percent of
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Speaker 13: the NDIS is going towards fraud and corruption. That's completely
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Speaker 13: unacceptable because it means money isn't going to where it's needed,
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Speaker 13: but it's collapsing confidence in this scheme. We then need
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Speaker 13: to look at what the next steps are to actually
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Speaker 13: reduce costs. Means testing could be part of the conversation,
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Speaker 13: but frankly, it's making sure that we don't have people
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Speaker 13: taking people the disability taken advantage of and making sure
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Speaker 13: we weed out the corruption as the first point before
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Speaker 13: we could go and make the next steps.
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Speaker 2: You and I have been round long enough to remember
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Speaker 2: pink bats, but this is the NDIS. Routing is like
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Speaker 2: pink bats on steroids. And the other area that is
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Speaker 2: really starting to cost the taxpayers a huge amount of
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Speaker 2: money is the reforms that they so called reforms ain't
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Speaker 2: produced after November one, in in home care for older Australians,
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Speaker 2: where providers are charging people eight hundred dollars to have
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Speaker 2: a shower.
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Speaker 13: This government has made corruption and industrial scale activity.
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Speaker 1: You just need to look at it.
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Speaker 13: Fifteen billion dollars given to the CFMU through big bill
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Speaker 13: projects in Victoria, including federal money for that. You then
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Speaker 13: have the problems with the NDS and NDIS corruption. Then,
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Speaker 13: as you correctly point out, we're seeing the same pattern
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Speaker 13: of behavior and lend on taxpayers through parts of age care.
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Speaker 13: And we've even seen reports in the nine Press in
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Speaker 13: the context of childcare in the vicinity of nearly half
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Speaker 13: a billion dollars. This government always finds a way to
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Speaker 13: open the honeypot for organized crime, corruption and fraudsters to
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Speaker 13: take advantage of Australian's hard earned tax dollars. We need
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Speaker 13: not just hard work to pay off. We need respect
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Speaker 13: for how Australian's taxpayers money is spent. And the first
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Speaker 13: thing is to wrap those people on the knuckles, not
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Speaker 13: give them an incentive to continue to rate Australian taxes.
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Speaker 2: Just finally, Tim on the wider point, I mean Deloitte
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Speaker 2: this morning in the Australian newspaper, war mean that we
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Speaker 2: could be headed because of the oil shock tipping Australia
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Speaker 2: into recession. You know, the price has gone back up
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Speaker 2: again today. The retail price is down, but the price
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Speaker 2: of oil has gone up. This thing's going to last.
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Speaker 2: You would reckon at least another month or so, and
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Speaker 2: the tailor it will be long. Do you fear that
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Speaker 2: we may be headed for recession.
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Speaker 13: I'm extremely cautious about the impact of a recession on Australia.
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Speaker 13: We know we've had sort of technical ones or temporary
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Speaker 13: sort of cyclical events as a consequence of COVID, but
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Speaker 13: because of the fact that the government had prepared being cautious,
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Speaker 13: we had the fiscal buffers of the financial capacity to
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Speaker 13: shield households. The challenge is this government's during the good
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Speaker 13: times has blown money, taken no steps of preparation, and
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Speaker 13: I think the impact of this is going to be
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Speaker 13: significant and real if we managed to avoid a recession.
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Speaker 13: This is why we actually need an adult government taking
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Speaker 13: prudent and responsible measures right now, because if they don't,
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Speaker 13: they'll leave Australia even more exposed, and particularly Australed households
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Speaker 13: more exposed. And I think the cost of adjustment and
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Speaker 13: the impact will be significant, particularly for younger Australians who
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Speaker 13: want to get ahead.
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Speaker 2: And don't forget to take the roof racks off your
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Speaker 2: card t him thanks for joining us tonight. I appreciate it.
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Speaker 2: I don't have one, so that's okay. Still to come.
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Speaker 2: Victor Oban's sixteen year grip on Hungary. That will that's
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Speaker 2: over in a shock election defeat at the weekend, and
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Speaker 2: Donald Trump actually backed the loser. Plus Donald Trump's now
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Speaker 2: turning on the Pope of all people and posting ai
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Speaker 2: images of himself as Jesus. We'll get into that with
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Speaker 2: Kosher Gada after the break. Welcome back calebond In for
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Speaker 2: Paul Murray at the top of the hour. Well, I
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Speaker 2: didn't think I could ever be surprised by anything Donald
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Speaker 2: Trump ever did, but again today he's proved me wrong.
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Speaker 2: He's escalated his clash now with the Paul people. Pope Leo, yes,
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Speaker 2: the Pope branding the first American pontiff quote very liberal
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Speaker 2: and weak on crime. He's the president and.
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Speaker 15: He's a man that doesn't believe in stopping crime. He's
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Speaker 15: a man that doesn't think that we should be joying
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Speaker 15: with a country that wants a nuclear weapons so they
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Speaker 15: can blow up the world. I'm not a.
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Speaker 2: Fan of Bobblio. The reason for his attack on Pope
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Speaker 2: Leo was after the Pope urged an end of the
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Speaker 2: Iron War, warned against the display of power.
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Speaker 17: To reject war, especially a war which many people have
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Speaker 17: said is an unjust war, which is continuing to escalate
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Speaker 17: and which is not resolving anything.
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Speaker 2: Jonnyman Owska News contributor Kosher Gata. He's a head of
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Speaker 2: a country that's nominally Catholic or Christian. That's not going
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Speaker 2: to go down well with I think I heard today
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Speaker 2: something like fifty million Americans.
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Speaker 12: And Catholics, very Catholic. It's the largest group, depending on
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Speaker 12: how you cut it, within the right wing of the
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Speaker 12: electorate for sure. That said, I will say, you know,
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Speaker 12: as you said, we all know Trump is not shy
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Speaker 12: to fling insults at anybody, including the Pope. He certainly
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Speaker 12: did it to the previous to Pope Francis as well,
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Speaker 12: maybe not as sharply or appointedly. And I will say
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Speaker 12: that as Catholic and as Christian as America is and
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Speaker 12: as religious as it is, the right in the base
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Speaker 12: has never been that wild about the different popes weighing
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Speaker 12: in on immigration policy and you know, things like that.
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Speaker 12: So they've sparred before, and the Pope yes, obviously is
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Speaker 12: ahead a religious figure, but he also is stepping into
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Speaker 12: the political arena.
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Speaker 2: And you know much more about American religion and politics
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Speaker 2: than I do. But would I be right to say
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Speaker 2: that the margabase is more of the fundamental Christian type
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Speaker 2: and the Democrats were in fact very heavily into the
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Speaker 2: Catholic Church when you go back to the Kennedys, etc.
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Speaker 12: Certainly back to the Kennedy's Joe Biden of course was
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Speaker 12: Catholic as well. But in general, secularization is on the
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Speaker 12: rise and in much of the West, including in America,
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Speaker 12: and that tends to be more on the Democrat side
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Speaker 12: of the base, even though in the Kennedy era, as
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Speaker 12: you say, it was different. Now definitely just all religious
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Speaker 12: conservatives tend to lean more right, and they are very Christian,
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Speaker 12: and we're not necessarily fans of the pope. So I
47:19
Speaker 12: think of all the issues on Trump's plate right now,
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Speaker 12: and he has many problems, this one probably i'd give
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Speaker 12: it twenty four hours and it will be in the dustbin, I.
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Speaker 2: Reckon The other place it will be very upset will
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Speaker 2: be South America and Central America, because obviously they're absolutely
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Speaker 2: wedded to the Pope. Let's talk about Victor Alban's sixteen
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Speaker 2: year group on Hungary. That's over a book called Peter
47:40
Speaker 2: Magyar claiming victory. What's happened there? I mean, Jadie Vance
47:44
Speaker 2: was their campaigning for him.
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Speaker 12: He was look or it was a decisive victory. Urbaun conceded.
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Speaker 12: I will make a point that it's interesting in other
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Speaker 12: countries around them, Romania, et cetera, were all these machinations
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Speaker 12: that happened to try and sort of prevent certain types
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Speaker 12: of leaders from coming in. Here, there was a straightforward
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Speaker 12: election and the people of Hungary spoke. He does remain
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Speaker 12: a very consequential leader, probably one of the most consequential
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Speaker 12: leaders in modern time in Europe in terms of what
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Speaker 12: he's done and pushing back on Brussels and being hardline
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Speaker 12: on immigration and trying to improve fertility rates and native
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Speaker 12: population growth and family friendly policies and all of that.
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Speaker 12: But it's sixteen years. He has been mired in some
48:23
Speaker 12: corruption charges.
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Speaker 2: But there's its images of this huge mansion he's boot himself.
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Speaker 12: Yeah, and not like direct bribery or on the nose coruption,
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Speaker 12: but a lot of just using the system or tilting
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Speaker 12: the system to give contracts and government contracts to his allies,
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Speaker 12: so sort of crony capitalism.
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Speaker 2: The polls predict this, then they did, and for.
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Speaker 12: Once I would say those things that polls actually have
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Speaker 12: been wrong so many times, and here they were predicting it.
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Speaker 12: Even after Jade Vance went there. It didn't really shift
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Speaker 12: the polls one way or another. And I think it's
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Speaker 12: just after sixteen years, people want change and the other
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Speaker 12: person is sent to right, pretty soft compared to Orbon
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Speaker 12: on those policies. But he really made option a centerpiece.
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Speaker 2: Of a strange to send, wasn't it.
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Speaker 12: I think you know, Hungary has sort of become a
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Speaker 12: bastion of nationalism and populism and for intellectuals in that space,
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Speaker 12: and so they want a campaign for who they believe
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Speaker 12: would be beneficial to us interests, which they believe would
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Speaker 12: be Orban. But his sixteen yearns.
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Speaker 2: Are you excited about Megan being in the country.
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Speaker 12: It'll definitely make a lot of fodder for the news,
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Speaker 12: and I think we might get a little interesting tidbits
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Speaker 12: out of it.
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Speaker 2: Thanks for coming in, appreciate it very much. Yes, midnight
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Speaker 2: tonight we'll find out whether in fact Donald Trump does
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Speaker 2: put the navy into the straits of whom was What
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Speaker 2: impact that's now going to have on this conflict. We'll
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Speaker 2: have to wait and see whether the oil supplies continue
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Speaker 2: to come through and yes in the country tomorrow, Prince
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Speaker 2: Harry and Megan. I can't wait. And coming up next
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Speaker 2: for Paul Murray is our dear friend Caleb Bob