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Interview with Joe Weigant · River City Mystery - Investigating mysteries in southern Indiana, southern Illinois, and western Kentucky

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  Speaker: And we're looking around the house and I see two horribly
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  Speaker: hideous looking little dog like creatures in this house.
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  Speaker: And my buddy, he sees them too,
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  Speaker: and they look really nasty,
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  Speaker: vicious.
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  Speaker: You know, they have, like, disjointed elbows.
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  Speaker: Like their front legs look like a Cloverfield.
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  Speaker: You know, the elbows are all kind of jacked up, but the head
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  Speaker: is kind of like upside down.
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  Speaker: It kind of looks almost like a
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  Speaker: person, but almost kind of like
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  Speaker: a dog or almost like a wolf or
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  Speaker: something.
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  Speaker: And the, uh, the torso is really the thin when the ribs are
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  Speaker: sticking out and it's got, uh, spine bones sticking out of it.
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  Speaker: It's really nasty.
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  Speaker: And so I'm like, well, what the
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  Speaker: heck are these things doing in
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  Speaker: the house?
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  Speaker: You're listening to River City
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  Speaker: Mystery podcast, the show that
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  Speaker: delves into the Evansville and
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  Speaker: surrounding Tri-State area's
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  Speaker: mysteries, including unsolved
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  Speaker: crimes, murders, and
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  Speaker: disappearances.
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  Speaker: A show that isn't afraid to jump
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  Speaker: down the rabbit hole to
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  Speaker: investigate reports of local
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  Speaker: hauntings, sightings of UFOs and
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  Speaker: cryptids, among other paranormal
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  Speaker: phenomena.
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  Speaker: With your host, co-founder of
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  Speaker: the Humans of Evansville
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  Speaker: Facebook page.
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  Speaker: Law office worker by day.
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  Speaker: Insomniac researcher of the unknown by night.
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  Speaker: Matt Deig.
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  Speaker: Welcome to episode 6.
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  Speaker: I'm joined by Joe Weigant,
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  Speaker: founder of EPIC, which is an
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  Speaker: acronym for Evansville
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  Speaker: Paranormal Investigations and
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  Speaker: Consulting.
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  Speaker: Joe retired as a detective after twenty three years with the
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  Speaker: Evansville Police Department.
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  Speaker: He hosted the World Beyond Radio
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  Speaker: show, where he interviewed other
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  Speaker: paranormal investigators,
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  Speaker: psychics, tarot readers, among
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  Speaker: others.
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  Speaker: He's a sixth degree black belt in Okinawan Kempo and a martial
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  Speaker: arts instructor at Club Bushido.
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  Speaker: Every year, Joe leads tours of
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  Speaker: Waverly Hills Sanatorium in
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  Speaker: Louisville, Kentucky.
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  Speaker: He's a psychic and spirit
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  Speaker: communicator, and Joe Owens,
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  Speaker: Tri-State Holistic Wellness,
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  Speaker: where he uses a combination of
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  Speaker: energy work known as Reiki
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  Speaker: tuning forks and other emotional
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  Speaker: and physical healing modalities
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  Speaker: to achieve holistic healing and
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  Speaker: well-being.
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  Speaker: And I could go on, but that's enough to get me started here.
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  Speaker: So thank you for joining me today, Joe.
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  Speaker: Hey, thank you Matt.
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  Speaker: It's a pleasure to be here.
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  Speaker: I love doing these radio shows.
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  Speaker: And I, I actually loved it whenever I ran mine.
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  Speaker: But, you know, sometimes those
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  Speaker: things don't get to work out
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  Speaker: forever.
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  Speaker: But thank you and for inviting me on here.
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  Speaker: This is this is a great privilege.
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  Speaker: Well, we'll start with epic, which is Evansville Paranormal
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  Speaker: Investigations and Consulting.
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  Speaker: Um, which other than sounding awesome, what exactly what
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  Speaker: exactly is that?
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  Speaker: And what do you do?
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  Speaker: Um, I get a lot of calls from
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  Speaker: people who want to join the
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  Speaker: group, and they want to go out
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  Speaker: and try to catch pictures and
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  Speaker: get recordings and, and, uh, do
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  Speaker: a lot of the EVP type stuff that
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  Speaker: they see on TV, but that's not
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  Speaker: really what, um, my, you know,
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  Speaker: what, what epic does, uh, and
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  Speaker: I've had other people that have
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  Speaker: worked with me over time, but
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  Speaker: just trying to get scheduling,
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  Speaker: working together with with third
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  Speaker: party folks.
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  Speaker: And sometimes it just, it's really cumbersome.
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  Speaker: So it's, it's normal.
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  Speaker: Normally it's just my wife and myself and people will will get
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  Speaker: Ahold of me either because they've seen me on the website
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  Speaker: or they've seen me on the travel channel or whatever it is.
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  Speaker: And they will, uh, they'll describe to me the problems that
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  Speaker: they're having in their house, you know, foot stomping and
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  Speaker: voices and the shadow moving around the halls and the kids
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  Speaker: and dogs are freaking out.
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  Speaker: And, you know, sometimes it's even things like, you know, the
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  Speaker: salt salt shakers being thrown around the room and pictures
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  Speaker: flying off the walls.
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  Speaker: So, um, you know, my wife and I
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  Speaker: will go out and what I, what I
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  Speaker: honestly do, and it looks very
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  Speaker: boring from the outside looking
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  Speaker: in.
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  Speaker: I couldn't do a TV show on what I do because the camera guy
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  Speaker: would fall asleep.
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  Speaker: I honestly, I just walk into the
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  Speaker: room and I open up and I let my
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  Speaker: senses just kind of, you know,
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  Speaker: float free.
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  Speaker: And I just start asking questions about what's going on
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  Speaker: in the house, and things will start appearing to me and I
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  Speaker: start getting the hints of what's going on.
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  Speaker: And, and then, uh, it, uh, about
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  Speaker: ninety nine point four percent
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  Speaker: of the time, it's usually some,
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  Speaker: uh, cranky dead person who
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  Speaker: doesn't want to give up his
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  Speaker: house.
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  Speaker: Mhm.
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  Speaker: And, or it's, uh, you know, some other disturbed person who has
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  Speaker: passed on and just doesn't want to let go of something or who
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  Speaker: is, uh, attached to a person, place or thing.
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  Speaker: And so then what I do is I, I
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  Speaker: cross them over and then I do an
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  Speaker: energetic cleansing of the
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  Speaker: house.
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  Speaker: Uh, sometimes we smudge and, um, then after that, the house calms
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  Speaker: down, everything's settled up and, and we go and that's,
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  Speaker: that's basically what we do.
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  Speaker: Um, I, I, I used to have, um,
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  Speaker: business cards and I think I,
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  Speaker: when I, uh, had a website for
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  Speaker: that, I, I would refer to it as
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  Speaker: a paranormal resolution
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  Speaker: resolution specialist because a
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  Speaker: lot of people are really
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  Speaker: interested in the paranormal,
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  Speaker: but they're interested in it
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  Speaker: from the scientific point of
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  Speaker: view.
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  Speaker: Mhm.
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  Speaker: About saying, what can we
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  Speaker: actually capture that can lead
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  Speaker: us to some kind of indication
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  Speaker: that there is some kind of a
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  Speaker: life after physical death and
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  Speaker: demise.
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  Speaker: And while I was a member of groups like that, what I see on
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  Speaker: TV and what I've seen from other groups like that is that, you
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  Speaker: know, they will arrive on scene and set up gobs of equipment
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  Speaker: and, and they'll spend hours and hours, sometimes a couple of
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  Speaker: days trying to capture some evidence of what is, you know,
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  Speaker: something that will meet what the client is complaining about.
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  Speaker: Right.
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  Speaker: And then at the end of it, a lot of the groups will go, yeah, you
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  Speaker: wouldn't believe it.
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  Speaker: We caught this voice.
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  Speaker: You know, we've been listening to these recordings for two
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  Speaker: weeks now, and we got this one voice on this one answer where
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  Speaker: the, you know, the guy said, get out or leave me alone or buzz
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  Speaker: off or whatever.
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  Speaker: And then that's it.
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  Speaker: That's the end of the thing.
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  Speaker: See you later.
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  Speaker: Yes.
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  Speaker: Hey.
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  Speaker: You know.
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  Speaker: Yeah.
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  Speaker: Your house really is screwed up.
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  Speaker: Yeah.
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  Speaker: You're right.
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  Speaker: There's something in here.
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  Speaker: We think that there might be some evidence that something
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  Speaker: could possibly be going on, but we really don't know what it is
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  Speaker: because there's no scientific evidence and blah, blah, blah.
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  Speaker: But, hey, but thanks for letting us come out.
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  Speaker: And I'm going.
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  Speaker: You know, that's not enough for me.
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  Speaker: People are complaining.
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  Speaker: They need their problem solved.
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  Speaker: That's what I do, is solve the problems.
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  Speaker: And so I'm not disparaging any group that's going out there.
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  Speaker: Everybody needs to gather up the evidence.
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  Speaker: And I think everyone needs to
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  Speaker: know the answers of what's
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  Speaker: really happening and what's
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  Speaker: going on.
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  Speaker: But I just talked to dead people and tell them, you know, hey,
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  Speaker: you got to go.
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  Speaker: There's a, there's a, a path for you to travel.
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  Speaker: And you're, you're stuck on this rock and you got to go.
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  Speaker: And so not only do I allow the decedent to experience their own
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  Speaker: peace and to further their pursuit of their path in the
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  Speaker: overall existence of the the life of their spirit.
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  Speaker: But I also bring peace and resolution to the people who are
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  Speaker: living in the house, that all they really want to do is just
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  Speaker: redo the bathroom, you know, because oftentimes it, most of
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  Speaker: these, uh, you know, let's just say, for example, and let me
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  Speaker: just conjure up something here.
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  Speaker: You got a guy who dies at the
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  Speaker: age of seventy eight and he's
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  Speaker: been living in that house since
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  Speaker: he got married at the age of
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  Speaker: twenty.
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  Speaker: Okay.
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  Speaker: So he has spent the entirety of
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  Speaker: his of his existence in that
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  Speaker: house, and he bought it when it
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  Speaker: was just a shack, and he spent
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  Speaker: his whole life putting
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  Speaker: everything he's got into fixing
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  Speaker: up this house and making it
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  Speaker: better.
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  Speaker: Right.
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  Speaker: And, you know, retired twenty years ago, and now he's run out
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  Speaker: of money to fix it.
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  Speaker: So the carpet stated the cabinets are, you know, still
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  Speaker: nineteen eighty three.
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  Speaker: And, you know, but he's he's happy.
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  Speaker: He's lived there his whole life.
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  Speaker: His wife is gone.
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  Speaker: And now his time to go and bam, he's dead.
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  Speaker: He unzips the meat suit and he steps out.
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  Speaker: And, you know, within six months, the kids come in and
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  Speaker: clean out the house and put it up for sale, because they'd
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  Speaker: rather have the money than to save the old man's house, right?
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  Speaker: So some twenty year olds move in there and, you know, let's just
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  Speaker: say, you know, they they might have a young kid with them.
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  Speaker: Uh, they might not have a
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  Speaker: lifestyle that might be pleasing
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  Speaker: to the seventy eight year old
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  Speaker: man.
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  Speaker: What is here?
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  Speaker: He is in his spirit.
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  Speaker: In his mind, he still is as alive as he was before he
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  Speaker: unzipped the meat suit.
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  Speaker: Okay.
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  Speaker: And so he still is under the
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  Speaker: impression, yes, this is my
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  Speaker: house.
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  Speaker: And sure, I don't have a body,
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  Speaker: so I can't interact with it
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  Speaker: anymore.
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  Speaker: But I'm not leaving my house behind.
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  Speaker: Mhm.
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  Speaker: And even, even whenever the
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  Speaker: light comes in and it gives him
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  Speaker: the opportunity to move on, he's
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  Speaker: like, but no, I can't leave my
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  Speaker: house.
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  Speaker: I have to watch after this.
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  Speaker: So then, you know, the light kind of goes away.
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  Speaker: And he's like, no, I'm going to stay right here because this is
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  Speaker: where my home is.
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  Speaker: And then the younger couple starts, you know, tearing out
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  Speaker: the walls and pulling up the carpets, and they start ripping
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  Speaker: down the cabinets and the old man goes, hey, hey, hey.
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  Speaker: Right.
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  Speaker: Hold on.
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  Speaker: You know, I remember putting those cabinets in by hand.
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  Speaker: And then next thing you know, the salt shaker comes flying
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  Speaker: across the room.
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  Speaker: And then they call me up and they go, oh, I have a demon.
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  Speaker: Like, no, you don't have a demon.
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  Speaker: You, you you don't have a demon.
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  Speaker: I've been doing this for, for
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  Speaker: years, and I've only ever run
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  Speaker: into maybe three things that we
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  Speaker: would even apply the name demon
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  Speaker: to.
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  Speaker: Okay.
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  Speaker: And so, you know, you don't have a demon.
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  Speaker: You got a cranky old guy.
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  Speaker: And so I come over there and tell him, okay, dude, seriously,
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  Speaker: it's not your house anymore.
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  Speaker: Um, I'm going to call the light
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  Speaker: down, and it's time for you to
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  Speaker: go in.
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  Speaker: And this is where you need to go.
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  Speaker: Trust me.
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  Speaker: All the people you love are there.
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  Speaker: Nothing that you love is here.
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  Speaker: This is where you have to go.
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  Speaker: You have to put this chapter of the life of your spirit behind
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  Speaker: and become something new.
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  Speaker: The next time you have to come back as a different person.
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  Speaker: Next time, you have to go in here and go on to the next
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  Speaker: section of your travels.
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  Speaker: Whatever that is.
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  Speaker: You'll understand it when you
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  Speaker: get there and they cross in the
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  Speaker: house settles down, the people
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  Speaker: are happy.
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  Speaker: I do an energetic cleansing of the place.
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  Speaker: And then we're out.
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  Speaker: We're gone.
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  Speaker: Well, why do you think some people decide to stay?
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  Speaker: Stick around and others move on
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  Speaker: without some sort of
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  Speaker: intervention.
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  Speaker: Like from someone like you?
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  Speaker: Um, there are a number of reasons.
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  Speaker: And I teach this whenever I, I go see people's homes or like if
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  Speaker: I teach classes on paranormal things like that.
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  Speaker: Some of the reasons are number one, um, they've been taught
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  Speaker: their whole life that after you die, God comes down and he
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  Speaker: judges your whole life.
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  Speaker: Mhm.
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  Speaker: And you're either going to go to hell forever, or you're going to
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  Speaker: go to heaven, and you're going to play a harp on a cloud with a
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  Speaker: white, a white robe, and you're going to sing holy, holy, Holy
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  Speaker: all day, or you're going to go to hell and you're going to get
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  Speaker: punished and everything's going to be miserable.
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  Speaker: And so they don't want to they don't want to experience that
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  Speaker: judgment, because there's no human being that's ever been
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  Speaker: alive on earth that can look back on his life and say, I
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  Speaker: never made a mistake.
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  Speaker: I never did anything wrong.
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  Speaker: I never I mean.
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  Speaker: none of us can.
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  Speaker: And that's the whole point of
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  Speaker: human life is that, yeah, we
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  Speaker: come here in order to learn
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  Speaker: these lives and in order to have
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  Speaker: these experiences because it's,
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  Speaker: you know, it's what we have to
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  Speaker: do.
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  Speaker: So a lot of these people don't
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  Speaker: want to go into the light
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  Speaker: because they're afraid of the
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  Speaker: judgment, okay?
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  Speaker: Because they're not entirely certain that they were good
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  Speaker: enough to get to heaven.
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  Speaker: And so they're like, I'm not going in there because I'm not
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  Speaker: going to go to hell.
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  Speaker: And some of them, they don't
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  Speaker: want to go in because of an
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  Speaker: attachment to a person, place or
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  Speaker: thing.
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  Speaker: They become attached to, hey, look, you know, this is my
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  Speaker: thirty two Ford and I've been, I've been sanding and painting
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  Speaker: and, and working on this thing my whole life.
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  Speaker: I've won a bunch of shows with it.
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  Speaker: I'm not leaving this car.
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  Speaker: I don't want something bad to happen to it.
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  Speaker: And also have a choice of
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  Speaker: staying here to see what happens
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  Speaker: to their favorite car or their
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  Speaker: house.
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  Speaker: Or I've had a case like this
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  Speaker: before where the, um, there was
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  Speaker: an older couple in a house and
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  Speaker: one of them died before the
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  Speaker: other.
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  Speaker: And so the one who died first, um, it was the old, it was the,
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  Speaker: uh, the husband.
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  Speaker: Mhm.
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  Speaker: He died first as as normally happens, men die first.
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  Speaker: Right.
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  Speaker: I joke around and I say, you know, the reason men die first
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  Speaker: is because we want to.
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  Speaker: So, so so the the guy died first and he said, no, I'm not going
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  Speaker: to go because my wife is alive.
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  Speaker: I'm going to sit here and I'm
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  Speaker: going to I'm going to stay along
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  Speaker: with her.
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  Speaker: Okay.
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  Speaker: Well, she, being in flesh, still
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  Speaker: was unaware of these kinds of
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  Speaker: events transpiring.
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  Speaker: So she lived out the remaining years of her life.
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  Speaker: Uh, the kids decided to put her in a home somewhere.
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  Speaker: She soon after, therefore, uh,
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  Speaker: unzipped the meat suit and went
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  Speaker: on.
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  Speaker: But the guy, um, you know, he had still stayed behind.
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  Speaker: She died.
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  Speaker: And she's like, okay, I'm ready to go be with Jesus.
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  Speaker: And she went right on in and he got left behind here.
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  Speaker: Okay.
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  Speaker: And so he was stomping up and down the halls in this house.
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  Speaker: And, um, he wasn't entirely pleased at, you know, being at
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  Speaker: the age that he was when he went, he wasn't pleased because
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  Speaker: of the culture and the time period that he was raised in.
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  Speaker: A young lesbian couple had moved
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  Speaker: into his house and had their
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  Speaker: kids there.
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  Speaker: Okay.
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  Speaker: And he wasn't really on board with that kind of thing.
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  Speaker: Right.
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  Speaker: And so he was stomping around
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  Speaker: the house, and you could hear
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  Speaker: him moving up and down the
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  Speaker: halls.
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  Speaker: And I had to say, buddy, this ain't for you no more, right?
• 13:15
  Speaker: Look, I know, I know you've lived in this house for forty
• 13:17
  Speaker: eight years, but it's time for you gotta go.
• 13:20
  Speaker: And so, you know, I was able to get him to move along.
• 13:22
  Speaker: And look, here's your wife.
• 13:24
  Speaker: She's over here on this other side.
• 13:25
  Speaker: You have to go there to be with.
• 13:26
  Speaker: And once he realized, oh, you know, jeez, I found my wife now.
• 13:29
  Speaker: Now he can go.
• 13:31
  Speaker: And so the house immediately calmed down.
• 13:32
  Speaker: Everything was cool.
• 13:33
  Speaker: And and we left.
• 13:35
  Speaker: So there's, there's another reason why sometimes people
• 13:39
  Speaker: don't go and you'll see this at places like Gettysburg and, uh,
• 13:45
  Speaker: Antietam and some of the other Civil War battlefields is in the
• 13:52
  Speaker: midst of battle.
• 13:52
  Speaker: You know, they say you never hear the bullet that kills you.
• 13:56
  Speaker: You can hear all the other ones zipping around you, but the one
• 13:58
  Speaker: that gets you, you're never going to hear it.
• 14:00
  Speaker: Well, sometimes they their life
• 14:02
  Speaker: is snatched out of them so
• 14:03
  Speaker: quickly that they don't realize
• 14:06
  Speaker: they're dead.
• 14:07
  Speaker: Or they do.
• 14:08
  Speaker: And there's a there's this, this
• 14:10
  Speaker: thing among brothers in the
• 14:12
  Speaker: military.
• 14:12
  Speaker: Like, I'm not leaving my buddy behind.
• 14:14
  Speaker: We're never going to leave a man behind.
• 14:16
  Speaker: And so they're like, boom, they get shot.
• 14:18
  Speaker: They're immediately just,
• 14:20
  Speaker: they're dead at the age of
• 14:21
  Speaker: twenty.
• 14:22
  Speaker: And they go, look, I'm not leaving my buddy behind.
• 14:24
  Speaker: I gotta watch after my, my, my swim buddy, you know?
• 14:28
  Speaker: And so they just don't go, um, sometimes.
• 14:32
  Speaker: And we've seen this, um, there's
• 14:35
  Speaker: a hotel down in Louisville
• 14:38
  Speaker: pretty famous for having a
• 14:40
  Speaker: haunting there.
• 14:41
  Speaker: Um, the, uh, couple a young
• 14:46
  Speaker: couple years and years ago got
• 14:48
  Speaker: married and the, the brand new
• 14:51
  Speaker: husband, uh, somehow don't know,
• 14:54
  Speaker: but he fell down the elevator
• 14:56
  Speaker: shaft.
• 14:56
  Speaker: Oh, no. And she found out and dived in after him.
• 15:01
  Speaker: Okay.
• 15:02
  Speaker: And so you can still see her there in her wedding dress in
• 15:05
  Speaker: the hotel down in in Louisville.
• 15:07
  Speaker: Oh. Some people.
• 15:08
  Speaker: Yeah, there have been sightings of her.
• 15:10
  Speaker: And so you have that kind of an episode where that's just not
• 15:15
  Speaker: going to happen.
• 15:16
  Speaker: So so I mean, in situations like
• 15:17
  Speaker: that, where you are, are these
• 15:19
  Speaker: people souls just constantly
• 15:21
  Speaker: reliving, jumping down an
• 15:22
  Speaker: elevator shaft?
• 15:23
  Speaker: Or is this like a, some sort of a imprint, like a spiritual
• 15:26
  Speaker: imprint on space?
• 15:28
  Speaker: Or like, what do you think is
• 15:29
  Speaker: going on there when you, when
• 15:30
  Speaker: people are seeing like a lady in
• 15:31
  Speaker: a wedding dress jumping down an
• 15:34
  Speaker: elevator shaft.
• 15:35
  Speaker: Um, well, here's the thing there.
• 15:38
  Speaker: Like we said, spiritual imprint.
• 15:40
  Speaker: Whenever I go into a house, um, there is a different energetic
• 15:45
  Speaker: feel to whether this is a residual print or residual
• 15:49
  Speaker: energy, or if it's an actual active person who's actually in
• 15:55
  Speaker: the building, or what often happens as well is they will,
• 16:01
  Speaker: they will die, they will then go into the light, but then choose
• 16:06
  Speaker: to come back voluntarily to visit their relatives.
• 16:09
  Speaker: Mhm.
• 16:09
  Speaker: Okay.
• 16:10
  Speaker: And so that is entirely possible.
• 16:13
  Speaker: And because they're coming from the other side of the veil, they
• 16:16
  Speaker: have more power to visit with.
• 16:19
  Speaker: So if you're just a spirit
• 16:21
  Speaker: caught in a like a place like
• 16:23
  Speaker: Waverly Hills.
• 16:24
  Speaker: Okay.
• 16:25
  Speaker: Mhm.
• 16:26
  Speaker: Um, you have very little energy
• 16:30
  Speaker: to tap into in order to make an
• 16:32
  Speaker: appearance.
• 16:33
  Speaker: So, which is why we see a lot of shadows.
• 16:35
  Speaker: And you'll see that on on some
• 16:37
  Speaker: of these TV shows on, on TV, you
• 16:39
  Speaker: know, like Ghost adventures and,
• 16:41
  Speaker: and some of these other shows
• 16:42
  Speaker: like that where they'll,
• 16:42
  Speaker: they'll, they'll capture video
• 16:44
  Speaker: of a shadow moving across a
• 16:46
  Speaker: hall.
• 16:46
  Speaker: Right.
• 16:47
  Speaker: Well, that's a shadow because
• 16:50
  Speaker: there's not enough energy for
• 16:52
  Speaker: them to actually produce a
• 16:54
  Speaker: clothed image of themselves in
• 16:57
  Speaker: body in order for you to look
• 16:58
  Speaker: at.
• 16:59
  Speaker: So they're pulling that.
• 17:00
  Speaker: That's why we get the cold spots in the basement.
• 17:02
  Speaker: So we get cold spots in hot rooms or whatever.
• 17:05
  Speaker: They're actually pulling
• 17:06
  Speaker: atmospheric energy in to try to
• 17:08
  Speaker: create enough energy to manifest
• 17:10
  Speaker: a visage of themselves in order
• 17:13
  Speaker: to allow us to see them as a
• 17:15
  Speaker: contact.
• 17:17
  Speaker: And so I, sometimes the most
• 17:19
  Speaker: they can conjure up is just
• 17:20
  Speaker: enough to make a dark spot in
• 17:21
  Speaker: the room.
• 17:22
  Speaker: And then we go, oh my God, it's a demon.
• 17:23
  Speaker: It's a demon.
• 17:24
  Speaker: It's like, no, it's Uncle Ned.
• 17:25
  Speaker: I'm here to try to tell you something.
• 17:26
  Speaker: Okay?
• 17:27
  Speaker: And is that is that why, like
• 17:29
  Speaker: evp's electronic voice
• 17:30
  Speaker: phenomena.
• 17:31
  Speaker: Is it like just an energy, you know?
• 17:33
  Speaker: Is that why some can maybe show up as a shadow and others show
• 17:36
  Speaker: up as a voice or some sort of a noise or something like that?
• 17:39
  Speaker: Well, um, the psychic medium, John Edward and I, I, I've seen
• 17:45
  Speaker: him, I've seen his shows before, uh, in person, in person.
• 17:49
  Speaker: And, uh, yeah, I've, I've, I
• 17:51
  Speaker: have watched the line of people
• 17:52
  Speaker: standing behind him waiting to
• 17:54
  Speaker: get their turn to talk through
• 17:55
  Speaker: him.
• 17:55
  Speaker: It's fascinating.
• 17:57
  Speaker: And he described in one of his
• 17:59
  Speaker: books, he said, for a departed
• 18:02
  Speaker: relative, especially one who's
• 18:04
  Speaker: crossed over for them to come
• 18:06
  Speaker: down and visit us and have any
• 18:08
  Speaker: kind of a conversation with the
• 18:09
  Speaker: living, because we're on two
• 18:11
  Speaker: different ends of the radio
• 18:12
  Speaker: station here.
• 18:14
  Speaker: In order for them to slow down
• 18:15
  Speaker: enough to be able to make
• 18:17
  Speaker: contact with us at this
• 18:18
  Speaker: vibration level.
• 18:20
  Speaker: It's like trying to make a phone
• 18:21
  Speaker: call at the bottom of an Olympic
• 18:23
  Speaker: swimming pool.
• 18:24
  Speaker: It takes all the energy you've got just to get down there to
• 18:27
  Speaker: the phone, and once you reach it, you can't stay very long and
• 18:30
  Speaker: you can't talk very much.
• 18:32
  Speaker: So oftentimes, and this is why, like if I get caught on tape, is
• 18:39
  Speaker: because evp's have a much broader range of, um, gain, you
• 18:44
  Speaker: know, your work radio shows, you know, what gains on the mic are.
• 18:47
  Speaker: Mhm.
• 18:48
  Speaker: And so the gains on a mic are
• 18:50
  Speaker: much broader than the gains of
• 18:53
  Speaker: our ears.
• 18:53
  Speaker: We only listen between twenty and twenty thousand hertz.
• 18:56
  Speaker: Mhm.
• 18:57
  Speaker: Okay.
• 18:57
  Speaker: The lowest radio station on your radio in the car is eighty eight
• 19:01
  Speaker: point one hertz.
• 19:03
  Speaker: So that's four times what we're allowed to hear.
• 19:06
  Speaker: That's why you have to have that
• 19:07
  Speaker: device to slow those signals
• 19:10
  Speaker: down to the point where the
• 19:11
  Speaker: human ear can pick them up on a
• 19:13
  Speaker: radio scale.
• 19:14
  Speaker: Let's just suppose that you and I here, physically, our bodies
• 19:18
  Speaker: are at eighty eight point one.
• 19:20
  Speaker: Now the radio goes up to one
• 19:22
  Speaker: hundred and seven point eight or
• 19:23
  Speaker: whatever.
• 19:24
  Speaker: But you see, dead people are like for twenty one point five.
• 19:28
  Speaker: They're way up there.
• 19:30
  Speaker: So we can't listen to for twenty
• 19:34
  Speaker: eight point five or whatever I
• 19:35
  Speaker: said.
• 19:35
  Speaker: So we're on this one radio station.
• 19:38
  Speaker: And sometimes, you know, if you're trying to tune in with
• 19:42
  Speaker: your car, the older cars that have the knobs on them, and
• 19:44
  Speaker: sometimes you turn the knob just a little bit, you get a little
• 19:47
  Speaker: fuzz and the stereo light will blink on and off.
• 19:50
  Speaker: You know, some of the younger viewers with newer cars won't
• 19:53
  Speaker: understand this, but sometimes when your knob is just not quite
• 19:58
  Speaker: on, you get a little bit of static, a little bit of fuzz,
• 20:00
  Speaker: and the stereo, not light, is blinking on and off.
• 20:03
  Speaker: You're not quite on it, but you're picking up other stuff.
• 20:06
  Speaker: And some people can pick up other stuff.
• 20:08
  Speaker: And sometimes when the mind
• 20:09
  Speaker: wanders, that's when most people
• 20:12
  Speaker: say that they're picking up
• 20:13
  Speaker: things.
• 20:13
  Speaker: It's like, okay, I'm settling down for the night.
• 20:16
  Speaker: I'm just sitting here just zoned
• 20:17
  Speaker: out watching TV, and all of a
• 20:18
  Speaker: sudden that's when everything's
• 20:20
  Speaker: happening.
• 20:20
  Speaker: I say, oh no, it's always happening.
• 20:22
  Speaker: It's just that's when you're noticing it.
• 20:24
  Speaker: But for a departed person have slowed down from four twenty
• 20:29
  Speaker: five point eight and come all the way down.
• 20:31
  Speaker: What really happens is they get down to about one hundred.
• 20:35
  Speaker: Okay.
• 20:35
  Speaker: And so we have to try to speed up our our vibration from eighty
• 20:40
  Speaker: eight up to as closest to one hundred as we can.
• 20:43
  Speaker: And so what happens is there's a gap because if we could both
• 20:47
  Speaker: meet at the same station, at the same vibration, we would be able
• 20:51
  Speaker: to have a walking, talking back and forth conversation just like
• 20:54
  Speaker: they were living.
• 20:54
  Speaker: We'd be able to talk back and forth no problem.
• 20:56
  Speaker: But what happens is there's a
• 20:58
  Speaker: gap about how far they can slow
• 21:00
  Speaker: down and how fast we can speed
• 21:02
  Speaker: up.
• 21:03
  Speaker: And so there's this gap.
• 21:05
  Speaker: Now, if you take that on a on a
• 21:07
  Speaker: graph and you mark it over time,
• 21:09
  Speaker: and time is the linear and the
• 21:11
  Speaker: vibration speed is the vertical,
• 21:14
  Speaker: then what you have is because of
• 21:17
  Speaker: vibration, because of like
• 21:18
  Speaker: electrical energy, it follows a
• 21:20
  Speaker: sine wave.
• 21:21
  Speaker: You have an up and down series of frequency, and you have
• 21:26
  Speaker: amplitude modulation where there's a different strength
• 21:29
  Speaker: behind the signal.
• 21:31
  Speaker: So if I'm trying to talk to a
• 21:33
  Speaker: dead person, I've got my mind
• 21:35
  Speaker: tuned into that channel, and I'm
• 21:36
  Speaker: trying to get myself there to
• 21:39
  Speaker: have some kind of a point of
• 21:40
  Speaker: contact.
• 21:41
  Speaker: And they are in the room, and
• 21:43
  Speaker: they're slowing down as much as
• 21:44
  Speaker: they can.
• 21:45
  Speaker: And we've got this gap over time.
• 21:48
  Speaker: The gap will close for blips here and there.
• 21:54
  Speaker: So what happens is if I'm trying
• 21:56
  Speaker: to say, okay, somebody says,
• 21:57
  Speaker: hey, look, I want to talk to
• 21:58
  Speaker: Grandpa Jim.
• 21:59
  Speaker: All right, fine.
• 22:00
  Speaker: Grandpa Jim and I try to I try to get, you know, hey, whatever
• 22:02
  Speaker: you're doing, if you got time to come in here and talk, and over
• 22:06
  Speaker: time, I will get vowel sounds.
• 22:09
  Speaker: Over time, I might get a picture of a dog or a car, or I might
• 22:14
  Speaker: get a picture of a house, or I might get a feeling about
• 22:18
  Speaker: something, or there might be some emotional content attached
• 22:21
  Speaker: to something I'm being shown.
• 22:23
  Speaker: And so I have to put all that together like a jigsaw puzzle
• 22:26
  Speaker: and go, okay, say, look, I'm seeing a great big brown dog.
• 22:29
  Speaker: It kind of looks like a Great Dane, but beefier.
• 22:33
  Speaker: And I go, oh yeah, that was that
• 22:34
  Speaker: was, you know, that was
• 22:35
  Speaker: grandpa's dog.
• 22:35
  Speaker: You know, his name was so and so whatever.
• 22:37
  Speaker: And that just recently happened to me.
• 22:38
  Speaker: I'm like, okay, why is this dog running through the room now?
• 22:40
  Speaker: Right?
• 22:41
  Speaker: It's, it's not a Great Dane, but
• 22:43
  Speaker: it's not a Saint Bernard, but
• 22:45
  Speaker: it's a great big brown dog, a
• 22:46
  Speaker: black dog with brown spots on
• 22:48
  Speaker: it.
• 22:48
  Speaker: It kind of looks like a Dobie or a Rottweiler, but big.
• 22:52
  Speaker: And I'm like, oh yeah, that was that was, you know, that was
• 22:54
  Speaker: dad's dog, you know, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah.
• 22:56
  Speaker: Okay, so what about this truck I'm seeing?
• 22:58
  Speaker: It's an older truck.
• 22:59
  Speaker: It looks like it might have like a tow winch out the back.
• 23:01
  Speaker: Oh, yeah.
• 23:02
  Speaker: You know, dad would go out and
• 23:03
  Speaker: buy cars and he would come home
• 23:04
  Speaker: and we'd fix them and blah,
• 23:05
  Speaker: blah, blah.
• 23:06
  Speaker: So it's not like having this back and forth conversation
• 23:10
  Speaker: where two people can just sit down and, you know, smoke a
• 23:12
  Speaker: cigar and chew the fat.
• 23:14
  Speaker: It's more like I'm trying to put
• 23:15
  Speaker: together the pieces of, okay, so
• 23:18
  Speaker: I'm in this house and these
• 23:20
  Speaker: people are complaining that
• 23:21
  Speaker: there's something in this house
• 23:22
  Speaker: that's not really happy with
• 23:23
  Speaker: them.
• 23:23
  Speaker: And I go, okay, can you tell me a little bit about yourself?
• 23:26
  Speaker: What's your name?
• 23:26
  Speaker: Why are you here?
• 23:27
  Speaker: When did you die?
• 23:27
  Speaker: How long you been here?
• 23:28
  Speaker: And blah, blah, blah, blah.
• 23:29
  Speaker: And I hear a vowel sound that might sound like Fred or Ed or
• 23:34
  Speaker: Ned or something like that.
• 23:37
  Speaker: And so I got to figure out, okay, I'm hearing this e sound,
• 23:40
  Speaker: this, this vowel sound.
• 23:41
  Speaker: So what does that mean?
• 23:42
  Speaker: What, what does that actually mean?
• 23:44
  Speaker: What am I picking up?
• 23:44
  Speaker: Right.
• 23:46
  Speaker: And so then I have to ask the
• 23:47
  Speaker: people who are living in the
• 23:48
  Speaker: house is, is there do you know
• 23:50
  Speaker: somebody named Fred Ned, Ed, uh,
• 23:53
  Speaker: you know, any other kind of
• 23:55
  Speaker: sound like that, Ted or, you
• 23:57
  Speaker: know, does that mean anything
• 23:58
  Speaker: here?
• 23:59
  Speaker: And I'm like, no, you know, my grandpa's name was Ralph.
• 24:01
  Speaker: I'm like, okay, well, then it's
• 24:02
  Speaker: nobody connected to you that we
• 24:05
  Speaker: can that we can establish at
• 24:06
  Speaker: this point.
• 24:07
  Speaker: So I have to sit here and try to figure out these puzzles.
• 24:09
  Speaker: And when people come in with
• 24:11
  Speaker: the, the equipment and they're
• 24:13
  Speaker: recording EVP and if you've done
• 24:16
  Speaker: this, you'll notice that like
• 24:17
  Speaker: sometimes if you're, you know,
• 24:20
  Speaker: in order to catch EVP, you have
• 24:22
  Speaker: to talk out and hopefully get a
• 24:23
  Speaker: response.
• 24:24
  Speaker: Mhm, mhm.
• 24:25
  Speaker: And the good ones will actually say one question and then shut
• 24:29
  Speaker: up for ten or fifteen seconds.
• 24:32
  Speaker: The bad ones will just like, where are you?
• 24:35
  Speaker: Who have you been?
• 24:36
  Speaker: You know, what was your name?
• 24:37
  Speaker: Where did you live?
• 24:37
  Speaker: Here.
• 24:37
  Speaker: Where did you die?
• 24:38
  Speaker: What did you do?
• 24:39
  Speaker: Like?
• 24:39
  Speaker: Will you let him answer the first question, man?
• 24:41
  Speaker: Come on, give him some time.
• 24:42
  Speaker: You know, like, slow it down.
• 24:44
  Speaker: These people are still trying to interact with this world yet.
• 24:47
  Speaker: And so what happens is because the wider gain of the microphone
• 24:52
  Speaker: and the greater sensitivity of what it's able to pick up, these
• 24:56
  Speaker: little blips can be captured on that, that digital media.
• 25:01
  Speaker: Okay.
• 25:02
  Speaker: And so whenever we're talking back and forth with whatever
• 25:06
  Speaker: could be in the room, we're getting these little blips of
• 25:09
  Speaker: answers and audibly.
• 25:11
  Speaker: Sometimes it only comes across as a knock.
• 25:15
  Speaker: Okay.
• 25:16
  Speaker: Have you ever experienced that where you're you're trying to
• 25:19
  Speaker: record an EVP and you're asking a question and like down the
• 25:22
  Speaker: hall, there might be a thump or a knock or it sounds like like a
• 25:26
  Speaker: shoe fell on the floor or something like that.
• 25:29
  Speaker: That is the actual answer.
• 25:31
  Speaker: That's what we can hear out of that.
• 25:33
  Speaker: But when when you slow that tape
• 25:35
  Speaker: down, what you get is, you know,
• 25:38
  Speaker: I died.
• 25:40
  Speaker: That's all you'll get.
• 25:41
  Speaker: And it comes across as a, a knock like that, right.
• 25:45
  Speaker: A knock and you're like, okay, you know, I heard a knock and
• 25:47
  Speaker: you know, somebody go, oh my God, it's a demon.
• 25:49
  Speaker: It's like, no, it's not a demon.
• 25:50
  Speaker: That was the answer.
• 25:50
  Speaker: I'm going to go play this tape
• 25:52
  Speaker: back and sit here for the next
• 25:53
  Speaker: six hours trying to play this
• 25:54
  Speaker: back.
• 25:55
  Speaker: And it's going to come across as
• 25:56
  Speaker: something really fuzzy that we
• 25:57
  Speaker: can say.
• 25:58
  Speaker: It kind of sounds like I died here.
• 26:01
  Speaker: That's got to be really
• 26:01
  Speaker: frustrating for the dead people,
• 26:03
  Speaker: because you're trying to like
• 26:04
  Speaker: convey messages to the people in
• 26:05
  Speaker: the house and it's like, oh,
• 26:06
  Speaker: they think, you know, like you
• 26:07
  Speaker: said, it's a demon or somebody's
• 26:08
  Speaker: trying to scare the hell out of
• 26:09
  Speaker: me.
• 26:09
  Speaker: But it's just that has always been the impression that I get
• 26:13
  Speaker: when I go into houses and I'm talking to spirits and all that.
• 26:17
  Speaker: They get so incredibly frustrated.
• 26:19
  Speaker: I mean, because imagine you're
• 26:22
  Speaker: still like, right now, I still
• 26:24
  Speaker: feel like I'm a twenty five year
• 26:25
  Speaker: old man.
• 26:26
  Speaker: I'm, I'm much, much older than that.
• 26:28
  Speaker: But I still feel young.
• 26:29
  Speaker: I still feel vital, I still
• 26:31
  Speaker: feel, I mean, I, I go out and
• 26:32
  Speaker: run and I, you know, I work out
• 26:34
  Speaker: and I, I'm in pretty good health
• 26:38
  Speaker: and on the inside, I'm just as
• 26:40
  Speaker: young as I was when I was twenty
• 26:41
  Speaker: five.
• 26:41
  Speaker: I'm just, I just over the years now I have better and better
• 26:45
  Speaker: experience of being twenty five, but I don't feel as old as I am.
• 26:50
  Speaker: And so when I die and unzip this
• 26:52
  Speaker: suit, I'm still going to feel
• 26:54
  Speaker: like the person I am, even
• 26:55
  Speaker: though I'm looking down on my
• 26:56
  Speaker: own dead body, sitting there on
• 26:58
  Speaker: the floor or in the hospital bed
• 26:59
  Speaker: or wherever it's going to be at
• 27:00
  Speaker: that time, forty, forty years
• 27:02
  Speaker: from now.
• 27:03
  Speaker: And so I can look down and go, yeah, that's my that's my
• 27:05
  Speaker: freaking dead body.
• 27:06
  Speaker: And here comes my, my adult
• 27:08
  Speaker: children in here who are all,
• 27:09
  Speaker: you know, fifty and sixty years
• 27:10
  Speaker: old.
• 27:11
  Speaker: And I'm going to try to talk to them.
• 27:13
  Speaker: It's like, don't worry, everything's cool.
• 27:15
  Speaker: I'm right here with you.
• 27:16
  Speaker: I'm going to be behind you.
• 27:17
  Speaker: I'm taking care of you.
• 27:18
  Speaker: And they're like, oh my God, dad's dead.
• 27:20
  Speaker: Like, no, I'm right here in the room with you and the people
• 27:25
  Speaker: that I have talked to, both living and deceased.
• 27:28
  Speaker: It is incredibly frustrating
• 27:29
  Speaker: when they're trying to get a
• 27:30
  Speaker: message across and, um, just,
• 27:33
  Speaker: you know, people are either, oh,
• 27:36
  Speaker: it's a demon or I think it's my
• 27:38
  Speaker: grandmother.
• 27:39
  Speaker: I need you to make sure.
• 27:40
  Speaker: And that's the ones I really enjoy.
• 27:41
  Speaker: It's like, okay, well, let's find out about grandma and let's
• 27:44
  Speaker: see if we can, you know, find out who's in the house and
• 27:46
  Speaker: what's going on with that.
• 27:47
  Speaker: And we'll try to answer those questions for you.
• 27:50
  Speaker: Now, how do you know?
• 27:51
  Speaker: How can you tell the difference between just a regular, you
• 27:54
  Speaker: know, spirit of a human and a demon because you said you have
• 27:57
  Speaker: had a few experiences with what you think are demons.
• 27:59
  Speaker: Like, how do you know?
• 28:01
  Speaker: Um, okay.
• 28:03
  Speaker: That would be like, how do you
• 28:05
  Speaker: know you're listening to country
• 28:06
  Speaker: on the radio versus listening to
• 28:08
  Speaker: classic rock?
• 28:09
  Speaker: Okay, it's a different wavelength.
• 28:12
  Speaker: It's a different energy.
• 28:13
  Speaker: Um, people, as much addicts as we can be to each other.
• 28:18
  Speaker: And trust me, we can be dicks, right?
• 28:22
  Speaker: I don't like to use the word demon because it has too much
• 28:25
  Speaker: church attached to it.
• 28:26
  Speaker: And this isn't about none of this.
• 28:28
  Speaker: It's about religion.
• 28:30
  Speaker: Because our religions here on earth have nothing to do with
• 28:32
  Speaker: these things that come in.
• 28:34
  Speaker: And so I don't like using the
• 28:36
  Speaker: word demon and the word demon
• 28:37
  Speaker: itself.
• 28:38
  Speaker: There's a whole history I could talk about, about where that
• 28:40
  Speaker: word came from and how it got distorted and how the church
• 28:44
  Speaker: during the Middle Ages.
• 28:48
  Speaker: Altered the definition of that word to make it something else.
• 28:51
  Speaker: And we do that in the English language a lot.
• 28:53
  Speaker: And we we will change the meanings of words to fit the
• 28:56
  Speaker: times or the purpose.
• 28:58
  Speaker: But if.
• 29:00
  Speaker: Um, okay, let's talk about a house I went into, um, I got
• 29:07
  Speaker: called into this house because the people were complaining.
• 29:09
  Speaker: There's something really, really bad here.
• 29:11
  Speaker: Um, the fourteen or fifteen year old daughter has been drawing
• 29:15
  Speaker: some really, really scary pictures and we were getting
• 29:20
  Speaker: like, lights are turning off and we're getting a lot of really
• 29:23
  Speaker: bad feeling in the house.
• 29:25
  Speaker: And this, this really feels horrible.
• 29:29
  Speaker: It's like nothing I could put my finger on.
• 29:31
  Speaker: It just really feels bad.
• 29:33
  Speaker: And there's just this really this horrible emotional content
• 29:37
  Speaker: in this house.
• 29:39
  Speaker: So the friend of mine that knows these people contacted me and
• 29:43
  Speaker: says, hey, I think we got a house we can go see.
• 29:46
  Speaker: All right.
• 29:46
  Speaker: Fine.
• 29:46
  Speaker: Well, he is also gifted and I've had him on some, uh,
• 29:49
  Speaker: investigations with me.
• 29:52
  Speaker: So he and my wife and I, the three of us, go out and we go
• 29:55
  Speaker: take a look at this house and.
• 30:01
  Speaker: Let let me do some explaining
• 30:03
  Speaker: first before I finish the story,
• 30:05
  Speaker: okay.
• 30:06
  Speaker: When these things are in people's homes.
• 30:12
  Speaker: They are.
• 30:15
  Speaker: Imagine it this way.
• 30:16
  Speaker: So imagine that you are hurtling
• 30:19
  Speaker: through space in a spaceship at
• 30:21
  Speaker: a billion miles an hour, and
• 30:24
  Speaker: you're.
• 30:25
  Speaker: You're just screaming through
• 30:26
  Speaker: space and all of a sudden, you
• 30:28
  Speaker: know, you blow a gasket in your
• 30:29
  Speaker: spaceship and there's a planet
• 30:32
  Speaker: nearby and, you know, you, you
• 30:34
  Speaker: scan it and, hey, it can support
• 30:36
  Speaker: you.
• 30:37
  Speaker: You can breathe on this planet.
• 30:39
  Speaker: All right.
• 30:40
  Speaker: Fine.
• 30:40
  Speaker: So you're going to take your smoking, squeaking, sparking
• 30:44
  Speaker: spaceship, and you're going to crash land onto this planet.
• 30:47
  Speaker: Now your ship is busted up and you can't get out.
• 30:51
  Speaker: So you're on this planet now, far, far, far away from earth.
• 30:54
  Speaker: And you step outside.
• 30:55
  Speaker: And yes, you can breathe without your spacesuit on.
• 30:59
  Speaker: So now you're wandering around and this place looks an awful
• 31:02
  Speaker: lot like earth.
• 31:03
  Speaker: The plants are a little bit different, but yeah, it's okay.
• 31:05
  Speaker: It's the same.
• 31:06
  Speaker: And you notice on top of the
• 31:07
  Speaker: hill, there's a farmhouse up
• 31:08
  Speaker: there.
• 31:09
  Speaker: Mhm.
• 31:09
  Speaker: Now, as a human being, you know
• 31:11
  Speaker: that you need certain things to
• 31:13
  Speaker: survive.
• 31:13
  Speaker: You need food and water now.
• 31:16
  Speaker: You need clothing soon, and
• 31:18
  Speaker: you're going to need shelter
• 31:19
  Speaker: eventually.
• 31:21
  Speaker: So here you are wandering through this.
• 31:27
  Speaker: You know, you're approaching
• 31:29
  Speaker: this farmhouse and you notice
• 31:31
  Speaker: outside on the clothesline,
• 31:33
  Speaker: there's bedsheets and there's
• 31:37
  Speaker: some, uh, some farmer's
• 31:38
  Speaker: overalls.
• 31:40
  Speaker: And you go, okay, I've got clothing and I've got sheets I
• 31:43
  Speaker: can make a shelter out of.
• 31:44
  Speaker: Now, are you evil?
• 31:46
  Speaker: If you go up there and take the bed sheets to make a shelter?
• 31:50
  Speaker: I mean, honestly, are you
• 31:51
  Speaker: sinister and evil and demonic
• 31:53
  Speaker: because you took the bed sheets,
• 31:54
  Speaker: right?
• 31:55
  Speaker: I wouldn't think so.
• 31:56
  Speaker: Yeah.
• 31:56
  Speaker: No you're not.
• 31:57
  Speaker: You're not an evil, horrible
• 31:59
  Speaker: demon who's trying to steal
• 32:00
  Speaker: someone's soul.
• 32:01
  Speaker: You're just basically trying to get by the night without
• 32:04
  Speaker: freezing to death.
• 32:05
  Speaker: You're also not an evil, sinister, soul sucking demon
• 32:10
  Speaker: because you took the overalls.
• 32:13
  Speaker: You're also not a soul sucking evil demon.
• 32:16
  Speaker: If you notice that the lady of the house has an apple pie
• 32:22
  Speaker: cooling on the windowsill like they used to do years ago, and
• 32:27
  Speaker: you take the pie because man, you gotta eat, right?
• 32:31
  Speaker: But that doesn't make you evil.
• 32:32
  Speaker: I mean, sure, yeah, it's a dick
• 32:35
  Speaker: move to take food from other
• 32:36
  Speaker: people.
• 32:36
  Speaker: But I mean, it's not like you're going to go to work, okay?
• 32:40
  Speaker: Because you can't really
• 32:41
  Speaker: interact around this world too
• 32:43
  Speaker: awful much.
• 32:43
  Speaker: So, hey, there's a pie there.
• 32:45
  Speaker: You're going to take the pie and eat it.
• 32:46
  Speaker: Okay, you've survived now, but that doesn't make you evil.
• 32:50
  Speaker: So let's translate that to some
• 32:51
  Speaker: of these things that tend to
• 32:53
  Speaker: come into our world by quantum
• 32:56
  Speaker: physics.
• 32:56
  Speaker: Our world is simply a manifestation of the vibration
• 33:00
  Speaker: of the energy that makes up the entirety of the universe.
• 33:03
  Speaker: Every planet, every beam of light, every photon from every
• 33:07
  Speaker: star in the sky is all made of the same stuff.
• 33:10
  Speaker: It's basically energy vibrating
• 33:12
  Speaker: at different speeds in order to
• 33:14
  Speaker: construct different levels of
• 33:16
  Speaker: matter.
• 33:17
  Speaker: Your body is made up of the same
• 33:18
  Speaker: thing as your chair you're
• 33:20
  Speaker: sitting in.
• 33:21
  Speaker: This is quantum physics.
• 33:22
  Speaker: It's it's not even equals MC squared stuff.
• 33:27
  Speaker: It is exactly the equals MC squared.
• 33:29
  Speaker: And that formula basically states that matter is energy and
• 33:32
  Speaker: energy is matter.
• 33:33
  Speaker: Some of it has manifested into a place where I can make dresser
• 33:36
  Speaker: drawers out of it.
• 33:37
  Speaker: And some of it is light beams and photons which bounce off of
• 33:41
  Speaker: stuff and come into my eyeball so I can see the dresser that
• 33:44
  Speaker: I'm looking at.
• 33:45
  Speaker: And sometimes it's, you know,
• 33:47
  Speaker: even things like thought are
• 33:49
  Speaker: quantum physics.
• 33:50
  Speaker: We think things and they become things.
• 33:52
  Speaker: So the entire universe is built
• 33:57
  Speaker: on vibration of energy operating
• 33:59
  Speaker: at different frequencies and
• 34:01
  Speaker: speeds.
• 34:02
  Speaker: Now, this particular earth that you and I are standing on,
• 34:07
  Speaker: you're in your spot, wherever it is that you are.
• 34:09
  Speaker: And I'm standing here in my spot where I am, this earth and all
• 34:13
  Speaker: the the stars and skies around us and all the planets and
• 34:17
  Speaker: everything on this universe is operating at a specific
• 34:22
  Speaker: bandwidth of frequency.
• 34:25
  Speaker: There are more stations on the
• 34:27
  Speaker: radio, which means that yes, as
• 34:29
  Speaker: we exist here, the multiverse
• 34:31
  Speaker: theory says that there are other
• 34:32
  Speaker: vibrations and other universes
• 34:34
  Speaker: in other places where other
• 34:35
  Speaker: things can exist on those
• 34:37
  Speaker: locations.
• 34:38
  Speaker: We are not all that there is in
• 34:40
  Speaker: the universe, and I've never,
• 34:42
  Speaker: ever once tried to believe that
• 34:43
  Speaker: we are.
• 34:44
  Speaker: So there are other things on other dimensions.
• 34:47
  Speaker: Sometimes in the fabric of this
• 34:51
  Speaker: time and place, sometimes
• 34:54
  Speaker: there's gaps and holes and tears
• 34:56
  Speaker: in our world, and sometimes some
• 34:58
  Speaker: things get through from other
• 34:59
  Speaker: places and can't find their way
• 35:01
  Speaker: back, and they become the
• 35:03
  Speaker: stranded astronomer or an
• 35:05
  Speaker: astronaut.
• 35:06
  Speaker: I see.
• 35:07
  Speaker: Okay, so now they're in this
• 35:08
  Speaker: realm and well, at best you
• 35:13
  Speaker: might see a shadow moving
• 35:14
  Speaker: around.
• 35:14
  Speaker: So now I have to determine if that's a shadow from a dead
• 35:17
  Speaker: person trying to manifest, or if that's a shadow from something
• 35:19
  Speaker: that broke into this time and place and is trying to survive.
• 35:22
  Speaker: Now, some of these things that come in from other places, they
• 35:26
  Speaker: realize that the real fast food, the McDonald's food that they
• 35:30
  Speaker: can get Ahold of real quickly here is emotional energy.
• 35:35
  Speaker: So now in order to eat, they have to be able to conjure up
• 35:38
  Speaker: emotions out of these little beings that are scurrying around
• 35:41
  Speaker: on this planet.
• 35:42
  Speaker: So now if I wanted to make you feel something, it is much
• 35:48
  Speaker: easier for me to make you feel fear than it is to make you feel
• 35:54
  Speaker: joy or love.
• 35:56
  Speaker: Okay.
• 35:57
  Speaker: That's true.
• 35:58
  Speaker: Okay.
• 35:59
  Speaker: Because if you and I were standing in a room and I lunged
• 36:02
  Speaker: at you really quickly, you would be fearful, right?
• 36:05
  Speaker: Right.
• 36:06
  Speaker: Instantly.
• 36:07
  Speaker: Even if I come, even if I were
• 36:08
  Speaker: to come in for a hug, you would
• 36:09
  Speaker: startle at first, like, okay,
• 36:11
  Speaker: what's what?
• 36:11
  Speaker: You know?
• 36:12
  Speaker: Wow.
• 36:13
  Speaker: Yeah, that was quick.
• 36:14
  Speaker: That was a abrupt.
• 36:15
  Speaker: That was, you know, as I say, you know, unsettling.
• 36:20
  Speaker: Now I can eat.
• 36:23
  Speaker: So if I'm this little thing that
• 36:24
  Speaker: comes in from some other place
• 36:26
  Speaker: in the world and I need to eat,
• 36:28
  Speaker: all I really have to do is
• 36:29
  Speaker: conjure up enough energy to make
• 36:31
  Speaker: a sound or stomp my foot or, uh,
• 36:37
  Speaker: knock something over and you're
• 36:38
  Speaker: going to go, Holy shit, it's a
• 36:39
  Speaker: demon!
• 36:39
  Speaker: Oh my God, oh my God, it's a demon, right?
• 36:41
  Speaker: And then like, okay, now I get to eat.
• 36:45
  Speaker: So it's like the apple pie is the fear.
• 36:48
  Speaker: Exactly.
• 36:49
  Speaker: Exactly.
• 36:50
  Speaker: Wow.
• 36:50
  Speaker: Okay.
• 36:51
  Speaker: Now there are just like, there are, you know, hey, look, I'm
• 36:56
  Speaker: not going to try to to, you know, whitewash this.
• 37:01
  Speaker: There are some people on this
• 37:02
  Speaker: earth who have jobs that are of
• 37:05
  Speaker: a of a different level than
• 37:07
  Speaker: other jobs.
• 37:08
  Speaker: You know, we have generals and we have senators and, you know,
• 37:11
  Speaker: we have CEOs of major corporations, and we have people
• 37:14
  Speaker: that, you know, they, they take out the, uh, the trash at the
• 37:18
  Speaker: end of the day.
• 37:19
  Speaker: So that way the place can operate cleanly, right?
• 37:21
  Speaker: So we, we have different levels of different kinds of things
• 37:25
  Speaker: that happen here on earth.
• 37:27
  Speaker: There are different levels of these different kinds of things
• 37:29
  Speaker: that happen, that tend to break into our world and inhabit here.
• 37:34
  Speaker: Now, some of these things are
• 37:36
  Speaker: what I call commander level
• 37:38
  Speaker: beings.
• 37:38
  Speaker: These guys, they can boss through these other little ones
• 37:40
  Speaker: around and tell them what to do.
• 37:42
  Speaker: And, uh, and I've seen that happen.
• 37:45
  Speaker: So knowing all of this, let's go
• 37:48
  Speaker: back to this house I had to
• 37:49
  Speaker: visit.
• 37:50
  Speaker: So we go in there and we're
• 37:53
  Speaker: looking around the house And I
• 37:55
  Speaker: see two horribly hideous looking
• 37:58
  Speaker: little dog like creatures in
• 38:00
  Speaker: this house.
• 38:01
  Speaker: And my buddy, he sees them too,
• 38:04
  Speaker: and they look really nasty,
• 38:06
  Speaker: vicious.
• 38:07
  Speaker: You know, they have, like, disjointed elbows.
• 38:09
  Speaker: Like their front legs look like a Cloverfield.
• 38:12
  Speaker: You know, the elbows are all kind of jacked up, but the head
• 38:15
  Speaker: is kind of like upside down.
• 38:17
  Speaker: It kind of looks almost like a
• 38:18
  Speaker: person, but almost kind of like
• 38:19
  Speaker: a dog or almost like a wolf or
• 38:21
  Speaker: something.
• 38:22
  Speaker: And the, uh, the torso is really
• 38:26
  Speaker: the thin when the ribs are
• 38:28
  Speaker: sticking out and it's got spiky,
• 38:30
  Speaker: uh, spine bones sticking out of
• 38:32
  Speaker: it.
• 38:32
  Speaker: It's really nasty.
• 38:33
  Speaker: And so I'm like, well, what the
• 38:34
  Speaker: heck are these things doing in
• 38:36
  Speaker: the house?
• 38:36
  Speaker: So my buddy and I, we, we get
• 38:38
  Speaker: down and we basically get rid of
• 38:40
  Speaker: these things.
• 38:41
  Speaker: All right.
• 38:41
  Speaker: Okay.
• 38:42
  Speaker: And we're going through the whole house and we're cleaning
• 38:45
  Speaker: everything out and there's nobody to pass on.
• 38:48
  Speaker: There's just a whole lot of really bad energy in this house.
• 38:50
  Speaker: And I looked at him and I go,
• 38:51
  Speaker: there's something else happening
• 38:52
  Speaker: here.
• 38:53
  Speaker: There's something else in this house, and I can't find it.
• 38:58
  Speaker: And he says, I've been feeling
• 38:59
  Speaker: that way the whole time we've
• 39:00
  Speaker: been here.
• 39:01
  Speaker: And I said, there's something else, and I cannot leave because
• 39:04
  Speaker: something else is in this house and it's hiding from me.
• 39:07
  Speaker: So I gathered everybody in the house up the mom, her daughter,
• 39:11
  Speaker: uh, the new boyfriend.
• 39:13
  Speaker: And I said, I need everybody to come in here in the living room,
• 39:15
  Speaker: sit down for a second.
• 39:16
  Speaker: I need everybody to just be
• 39:17
  Speaker: quiet, because I got to go to
• 39:18
  Speaker: another place to find this
• 39:19
  Speaker: thing.
• 39:20
  Speaker: And I pulled a kitchen chair out, and I sat it in the middle
• 39:22
  Speaker: of the floor, and I said, I just need everybody just to sit still
• 39:25
  Speaker: and just hang on.
• 39:27
  Speaker: So I kind of went astral for a little bit, and I went to a
• 39:32
  Speaker: different level of existence for a moment to try to find what
• 39:36
  Speaker: this thing was in the house, and I never could find it.
• 39:41
  Speaker: Um, what I found myself in was a huge, um, a huge room and there
• 39:48
  Speaker: were like tapestries hanging from the ceiling.
• 39:51
  Speaker: huge long tapestries and they
• 39:54
  Speaker: would move and create an ever
• 39:56
  Speaker: evolving labyrinth.
• 39:59
  Speaker: So as I'm walking through this,
• 40:01
  Speaker: I hear a voice who says, she's
• 40:03
  Speaker: mine.
• 40:04
  Speaker: You're never going to get her back.
• 40:06
  Speaker: And I said, you don't understand who you're dealing with.
• 40:09
  Speaker: Once I get through this maze and I find you, you're going to be
• 40:12
  Speaker: in a world of hurt.
• 40:13
  Speaker: And yes, you will be letting go of her.
• 40:15
  Speaker: We're taking her back.
• 40:17
  Speaker: Mhm.
• 40:17
  Speaker: And he says you will never get her back.
• 40:20
  Speaker: She's mine, and I'm keeping her.
• 40:23
  Speaker: And I said, buddy, you just said the wrong words.
• 40:27
  Speaker: Well, I have kind of like a
• 40:30
  Speaker: working agreement with the
• 40:32
  Speaker: Archangel Michael who does this
• 40:35
  Speaker: kind of stuff because it's his
• 40:37
  Speaker: job.
• 40:39
  Speaker: And he and about twenty of his
• 40:41
  Speaker: fellows came in and whooshed
• 40:43
  Speaker: over my shoulder and went in and
• 40:46
  Speaker: everything disappeared.
• 40:48
  Speaker: And I'm like, okay, I want to get into some of that too.
• 40:51
  Speaker: Hey, this is my fight.
• 40:52
  Speaker: I was the one who showed up
• 40:53
  Speaker: here, and I started going
• 40:55
  Speaker: forward.
• 40:55
  Speaker: I was like, I'm going to follow them in there, and I want to get
• 40:57
  Speaker: my taste of this right.
• 40:59
  Speaker: Well, another angel came in and grabbed me and she said, you
• 41:01
  Speaker: can't go in there.
• 41:02
  Speaker: And I go, no, wait, this is my job.
• 41:04
  Speaker: This is what I do.
• 41:06
  Speaker: This is what I'm going to, I'm going to have fun with this.
• 41:08
  Speaker: This guy defied me.
• 41:09
  Speaker: I'm going to go in there and I'm going to take my licks out too.
• 41:12
  Speaker: And she said, you were never supposed to take care of this.
• 41:15
  Speaker: We just needed you to open the doors so we could get to it.
• 41:19
  Speaker: Mhm.
• 41:19
  Speaker: Okay.
• 41:20
  Speaker: And I said, well, that's kind of no fun on my part.
• 41:22
  Speaker: And she goes, no, no, no, you
• 41:24
  Speaker: allowed this to be taken care of
• 41:26
  Speaker: tonight.
• 41:26
  Speaker: It was because of you and your
• 41:28
  Speaker: abilities that you allowed us to
• 41:30
  Speaker: get in the door so we could go
• 41:31
  Speaker: in there and get this thing out
• 41:32
  Speaker: of here.
• 41:32
  Speaker: Trust me, it's over.
• 41:34
  Speaker: You said it in motion.
• 41:35
  Speaker: Yeah.
• 41:36
  Speaker: Yes.
• 41:36
  Speaker: You were the the key that unlocked the door, that allowed
• 41:40
  Speaker: us to make this happen.
• 41:42
  Speaker: And I said, okay, as long as I did some good tonight, then
• 41:44
  Speaker: that's all I care about.
• 41:45
  Speaker: You know, I just wanted to make good.
• 41:46
  Speaker: But trust me, I wanted to get my licks in on this thing, right?
• 41:50
  Speaker: So now next thing I know, I'm back in my chair and I'm looking
• 41:55
  Speaker: around the room and everyone is gawking at me.
• 41:58
  Speaker: I mean, they're looking at me like I just grew horns, right?
• 42:01
  Speaker: And I'm like, what?
• 42:02
  Speaker: What?
• 42:03
  Speaker: What are you all staring at?
• 42:04
  Speaker: And they're like, wherever you went, whatever you did.
• 42:07
  Speaker: We felt that in this room, this room changed the tone, the
• 42:12
  Speaker: humidity, the temperature, the lighting, everything in this
• 42:15
  Speaker: room became so much different.
• 42:17
  Speaker: Wherever it was, you went affected here.
• 42:21
  Speaker: And I went, well, okay, well, then I know I'm not making that
• 42:24
  Speaker: crap up, right?
• 42:25
  Speaker: Right now, the girl, the fourteen or fifteen year old
• 42:31
  Speaker: girl that was there when we showed up that night, she had
• 42:36
  Speaker: about the mental capacity of an eight or nine year old.
• 42:39
  Speaker: Psychologically speaking, and
• 42:41
  Speaker: you can talk to some
• 42:42
  Speaker: psychiatrists and psychologists
• 42:44
  Speaker: about this.
• 42:45
  Speaker: Oftentimes, if you have a person who is not acting their
• 42:48
  Speaker: biological age, it sometimes can indicate in some instances, I'm
• 42:55
  Speaker: not going to say it's always.
• 42:57
  Speaker: Sometimes it refers to some kind of abuse as a child.
• 43:01
  Speaker: And so because the child had to endure some kind of abuse at a
• 43:05
  Speaker: particular age, they kind of, you know, had to, like, go
• 43:09
  Speaker: someplace else in their mind for a while while things were
• 43:11
  Speaker: happening to them.
• 43:13
  Speaker: And so oftentimes they don't emotionally mature past that
• 43:18
  Speaker: point to very far.
• 43:20
  Speaker: So when I showed up that night, I'm like, okay, I wonder what's
• 43:23
  Speaker: been happening with this person because she's not acting
• 43:27
  Speaker: fourteen or fifteen.
• 43:29
  Speaker: She's acting nine.
• 43:31
  Speaker: And I thought, okay, well, I
• 43:33
  Speaker: can't say anything about this
• 43:34
  Speaker: right now, but, uh, this is
• 43:36
  Speaker: something that's very
• 43:37
  Speaker: interesting.
• 43:37
  Speaker: Well, by the end of the night, after I had gone in there and,
• 43:42
  Speaker: and done all that extra work Suddenly now there was a fifteen
• 43:47
  Speaker: year old girl in the room.
• 43:49
  Speaker: I know it sounds crazy.
• 43:50
  Speaker: I know it sounds weird.
• 43:51
  Speaker: And I'm sure to your listeners, it sounds like I'm making this
• 43:55
  Speaker: whole thing up.
• 43:55
  Speaker: But there's there were three other people in that house that
• 44:01
  Speaker: all saw the same thing.
• 44:03
  Speaker: And it's like, okay, this girl has returned back to normal.
• 44:06
  Speaker: Now she's acting her age now.
• 44:09
  Speaker: And it was just, it was just one
• 44:10
  Speaker: of those very weird instances
• 44:12
  Speaker: where I can say, yeah, you know,
• 44:14
  Speaker: over the course of time of doing
• 44:15
  Speaker: this, I've run into some, some
• 44:17
  Speaker: really weird, goofy, wicked
• 44:20
  Speaker: stuff.
• 44:21
  Speaker: And that was one of those times
• 44:22
  Speaker: where I can say, yeah, this is
• 44:25
  Speaker: why I do this job is because of
• 44:27
  Speaker: this.
• 44:27
  Speaker: Wow, this, this is why I took on this role is because I can save
• 44:32
  Speaker: people from that.
• 44:33
  Speaker: Mhm.
• 44:34
  Speaker: Where you're making an actual
• 44:35
  Speaker: difference in their lives, you
• 44:36
  Speaker: know, you're making a
• 44:37
  Speaker: difference.
• 44:38
  Speaker: I'm improving the conditions of people's existence in a way that
• 44:42
  Speaker: it Very few people can can affect in that way.
• 44:46
  Speaker: And so I go, okay, this is this is why I'm here.
• 44:49
  Speaker: And so that's why I do these things.
• 44:53
  Speaker: And you've done a how many cases
• 44:55
  Speaker: have you done in the area over
• 44:57
  Speaker: the years?
• 44:58
  Speaker: Oh, geez.
• 45:01
  Speaker: Probably probably one hundred and fifty.
• 45:03
  Speaker: Oh wow.
• 45:04
  Speaker: That many.
• 45:05
  Speaker: Wow.
• 45:05
  Speaker: Yeah.
• 45:06
  Speaker: I, I used to I used to keep like a running journal of them.
• 45:10
  Speaker: And it just got to the point
• 45:12
  Speaker: where, okay, I, I'm not even
• 45:13
  Speaker: writing them down anymore
• 45:14
  Speaker: because we would go and we'll be
• 45:16
  Speaker: there for like an hour and a
• 45:17
  Speaker: half.
• 45:17
  Speaker: I was like, oh, yeah, yeah.
• 45:18
  Speaker: You got somebody to cross over here?
• 45:19
  Speaker: Bingo.
• 45:19
  Speaker: Get them across.
• 45:20
  Speaker: And and that's it.
• 45:22
  Speaker: And I used to write them down.
• 45:24
  Speaker: And then I just started
• 45:25
  Speaker: forgetting to come in and write
• 45:26
  Speaker: them down.
• 45:27
  Speaker: And the next thing you know, I was like, okay, what was the
• 45:29
  Speaker: last six houses we just did?
• 45:30
  Speaker: And my wife were like, I can't remember.
• 45:32
  Speaker: There was that one dude with that one place and that one
• 45:34
  Speaker: thing, just another paranormal investigation, you know?
• 45:38
  Speaker: Yeah.
• 45:38
  Speaker: Uh, actually, um, I think it was a year ago.
• 45:42
  Speaker: Uh, my wife and I went to a house, uh, at another smaller
• 45:47
  Speaker: town east of here.
• 45:48
  Speaker: Mhm.
• 45:49
  Speaker: And, um, it was, uh, it was in Boonville.
• 45:53
  Speaker: And.
• 45:54
  Speaker: Okay.
• 45:54
  Speaker: There was this eighty year old
• 45:56
  Speaker: guy there, and his wife had
• 45:58
  Speaker: died, and he and his wife had
• 46:03
  Speaker: always felt like there was some
• 46:04
  Speaker: stuff happening in the house
• 46:05
  Speaker: anyway.
• 46:06
  Speaker: And.
• 46:07
  Speaker: Okay.
• 46:07
  Speaker: You know, it happens in every house.
• 46:08
  Speaker: I mean, people it people are
• 46:11
  Speaker: under the impression nowadays
• 46:12
  Speaker: that, like, when you die, you go
• 46:15
  Speaker: someplace else.
• 46:15
  Speaker: Way, way far away on the other side of the universe.
• 46:17
  Speaker: You're someplace totally different that's not even here.
• 46:20
  Speaker: And you're over there somewhere, wearing a white robe, playing a
• 46:23
  Speaker: harp, and you're on a cloud and everything is just glorious and
• 46:25
  Speaker: happy and and romantic.
• 46:27
  Speaker: And that's not how it is.
• 46:30
  Speaker: You unzip the meat soup and
• 46:31
  Speaker: you're still walking around
• 46:32
  Speaker: here.
• 46:33
  Speaker: I mean, you can go to any
• 46:35
  Speaker: restaurant and kind of open up
• 46:36
  Speaker: your senses.
• 46:37
  Speaker: And there might be eight people eating in the restaurant, and
• 46:41
  Speaker: four of them might have somebody standing next to them.
• 46:45
  Speaker: And so it's not like, oh, jeez,
• 46:48
  Speaker: there's a dead person in the
• 46:49
  Speaker: room.
• 46:49
  Speaker: How unique.
• 46:50
  Speaker: And like, no, it's not unique at all.
• 46:51
  Speaker: It's this is every day.
• 46:54
  Speaker: So we go to this house and, you know, this, this eighty year old
• 46:57
  Speaker: guy, he's, you know, he's, I got my wife has died.
• 47:00
  Speaker: And, you know, things have kind of ramped up since then.
• 47:02
  Speaker: And I got this, this, this new girlfriend.
• 47:04
  Speaker: And, and I'm, I'm, I'm looking at the new girlfriend and she's
• 47:09
  Speaker: like, younger than me, okay.
• 47:12
  Speaker: And I, I mean, it's not, it's
• 47:14
  Speaker: not too difficult to figure the
• 47:16
  Speaker: picture out.
• 47:16
  Speaker: No, she's.
• 47:17
  Speaker: Yeah, yeah.
• 47:19
  Speaker: You know, the old lady is kind of messed up about this.
• 47:22
  Speaker: And I'm like, okay.
• 47:23
  Speaker: And I'm looking at my wife and
• 47:24
  Speaker: we're both thinking gold digger,
• 47:26
  Speaker: you know, she's, she's like
• 47:28
  Speaker: fifty.
• 47:28
  Speaker: He's eighty.
• 47:29
  Speaker: She's sitting there smoking cigarettes.
• 47:31
  Speaker: And you're like, yeah, we got you pegged, babe.
• 47:33
  Speaker: We've got, you know, we've got
• 47:34
  Speaker: your, we got your number written
• 47:36
  Speaker: out.
• 47:36
  Speaker: And so they're like.
• 47:38
  Speaker: MM. And you feel kind of like your, your dead wife is, uh,
• 47:41
  Speaker: kind of in the house kind of throwing things around at you.
• 47:44
  Speaker: Huh.
• 47:45
  Speaker: And he, he, he's not really getting it.
• 47:47
  Speaker: And we're hinting around about
• 47:48
  Speaker: it and he's like, well, I think
• 47:50
  Speaker: she's, I think she's kind of
• 47:51
  Speaker: pissed because I'm, you know,
• 47:52
  Speaker: um, well, this weekend we're
• 47:55
  Speaker: going to go to Vegas and get
• 47:56
  Speaker: married.
• 47:56
  Speaker: And I'm like, oh, you think, are you serious?
• 47:59
  Speaker: And we're looking at each other like, oh, this is this is
• 48:02
  Speaker: glorious, you know?
• 48:03
  Speaker: Yeah.
• 48:04
  Speaker: Okay.
• 48:04
  Speaker: So I can't imagine why the, the
• 48:08
  Speaker: old lady who spent her life with
• 48:09
  Speaker: this guy would be pissed that
• 48:11
  Speaker: he's now, you know, being duped
• 48:13
  Speaker: by this gold digger who's going
• 48:14
  Speaker: to come in there and take his
• 48:15
  Speaker: his house and his fortune and
• 48:17
  Speaker: everything else, because, you
• 48:18
  Speaker: know, he's not got many more
• 48:19
  Speaker: years left.
• 48:20
  Speaker: And, uh, so, you know, okay, so but there's more to this story.
• 48:25
  Speaker: I keep feeling that there's more layers going on.
• 48:27
  Speaker: And he says, the whole time I've
• 48:29
  Speaker: lived in this house, I felt like
• 48:30
  Speaker: there's a couple of guys here
• 48:31
  Speaker: that were some really, really
• 48:32
  Speaker: mean guys.
• 48:33
  Speaker: And they're not they're not
• 48:34
  Speaker: really happy with me here
• 48:36
  Speaker: either.
• 48:37
  Speaker: man.
• 48:37
  Speaker: I'm walking through this little house and I'm like, yeah.
• 48:40
  Speaker: Yep.
• 48:40
  Speaker: I kind of feel that, too.
• 48:42
  Speaker: I know these guys weren't
• 48:43
  Speaker: really, really awesome when they
• 48:45
  Speaker: were alive.
• 48:45
  Speaker: These guys were real, you know, meatheads.
• 48:47
  Speaker: Mhm.
• 48:48
  Speaker: And they didn't live any time soon.
• 48:52
  Speaker: These guys are, you know,
• 48:55
  Speaker: seventeen, eighteen hundreds or
• 48:56
  Speaker: whatever.
• 48:58
  Speaker: Come to find out, by the time we get done with this, we were
• 49:01
  Speaker: there for three hours.
• 49:04
  Speaker: These were the sons of a white
• 49:08
  Speaker: settler who had come into this
• 49:10
  Speaker: area.
• 49:11
  Speaker: And the old man had said, yeah,
• 49:13
  Speaker: there's one hundred and sixty
• 49:14
  Speaker: acres attached to this house,
• 49:16
  Speaker: but I don't go to any of them
• 49:17
  Speaker: because I don't like being on
• 49:18
  Speaker: the property.
• 49:19
  Speaker: I stay in the house because I feel better here.
• 49:24
  Speaker: And so there's one hundred and sixty acres here in this, this,
• 49:27
  Speaker: this whole plot of land.
• 49:30
  Speaker: These two guys who were still in this house were the sons of this
• 49:34
  Speaker: white settler who had come in from the East and decided this
• 49:39
  Speaker: was the perfect plot of land, and he's just going to take it.
• 49:42
  Speaker: Well, there happened to be a small little tribe of Indians
• 49:45
  Speaker: here, probably about one hundred to two hundred Native Americans
• 49:49
  Speaker: who were living here, and their people had been here for
• 49:51
  Speaker: thousands of years, and they had lived on the land and raised
• 49:55
  Speaker: their horses and all that.
• 49:57
  Speaker: And in the middle of the night,
• 49:58
  Speaker: one night, this guy come in and
• 50:01
  Speaker: slaughtered the whole damn
• 50:01
  Speaker: tribe.
• 50:02
  Speaker: Oh, wow.
• 50:04
  Speaker: Lined them all up, slaughtered
• 50:05
  Speaker: them, and instead of giving them
• 50:08
  Speaker: their proper burial, he just
• 50:09
  Speaker: piled them all up and burnt
• 50:10
  Speaker: them.
• 50:11
  Speaker: So now, as we.
• 50:13
  Speaker: He says, yeah.
• 50:15
  Speaker: He says, if I if if you go out the back door there.
• 50:17
  Speaker: See where that swing is?
• 50:18
  Speaker: He goes, you go a little bit further than that.
• 50:20
  Speaker: You're going to feel what I'm talking about.
• 50:21
  Speaker: He goes, it don't feel right out there.
• 50:23
  Speaker: So my wife and I go out and oh
• 50:25
  Speaker: my God, you want to talk about
• 50:26
  Speaker: the misery and sorrow and the
• 50:28
  Speaker: absolute, just the anger and the
• 50:30
  Speaker: fury and the hatred and the
• 50:32
  Speaker: Grief.
• 50:35
  Speaker: And so I'm looking around and I go, Holy cow.
• 50:37
  Speaker: We picked up on the the whole
• 50:38
  Speaker: picture like he slaughtered
• 50:40
  Speaker: these people.
• 50:41
  Speaker: This dude, he lined them all up in the middle of the night and
• 50:45
  Speaker: just went out.
• 50:46
  Speaker: He just, you know, he went up out of him like Pol Pot.
• 50:49
  Speaker: He just lined him up and just shot him all.
• 50:51
  Speaker: And then just, just put him in a heap and burn them and said,
• 50:55
  Speaker: what's my land now?
• 50:58
  Speaker: And so my wife and I, we put out the call that day, and we called
• 51:03
  Speaker: in the light and said, okay, you can't have your mound.
• 51:07
  Speaker: That time has passed, but we're
• 51:08
  Speaker: going to let you go to the Great
• 51:09
  Speaker: Spirit.
• 51:11
  Speaker: And we looked out and what we could see was mothers gathering
• 51:16
  Speaker: up their children.
• 51:17
  Speaker: We could see the men stomping out the campfires.
• 51:20
  Speaker: We saw people gathering up their drums and rattles, and they were
• 51:23
  Speaker: all heading in toward the light and going home.
• 51:26
  Speaker: And there was probably a, I
• 51:29
  Speaker: would say, at least one hundred
• 51:30
  Speaker: and fifty, maybe bordering on
• 51:32
  Speaker: two hundred people men, women
• 51:34
  Speaker: and children, all basically
• 51:36
  Speaker: gathering up their stuff and
• 51:37
  Speaker: going home.
• 51:39
  Speaker: And we sat there for like twenty
• 51:40
  Speaker: five minutes while they were
• 51:42
  Speaker: parading past us and just
• 51:44
  Speaker: sobbed.
• 51:46
  Speaker: It's actually making me tear up
• 51:48
  Speaker: a little bit just talking about
• 51:49
  Speaker: it.
• 51:49
  Speaker: It was, um, it was really emotional.
• 51:54
  Speaker: And of course, you know, we went back into the house and we were
• 51:56
  Speaker: talking to the guy like, I think we've, I think we've got
• 51:58
  Speaker: everything taken care of out there in the yard.
• 52:00
  Speaker: I think you're going to be okay from now on.
• 52:02
  Speaker: And, uh, you know, we, it was something that probably just
• 52:08
  Speaker: needed to be kept to ourselves at that point, but it was, um,
• 52:13
  Speaker: that was the first time we'd ever crossed more than like one
• 52:17
  Speaker: or two people at one time.
• 52:19
  Speaker: And, um, that was a, you know, that was a horrific event that
• 52:24
  Speaker: we had to go clean up because somebody else had done something
• 52:29
  Speaker: so nefarious and so horrifying that people still couldn't find
• 52:34
  Speaker: their way home after that.
• 52:35
  Speaker: And so not only are you doing a service for the living, you're
• 52:38
  Speaker: also doing a service for those who have passed like these.
• 52:40
  Speaker: These Native Americans are just
• 52:41
  Speaker: kind of stuck in this limbo
• 52:43
  Speaker: world where, you know, for
• 52:44
  Speaker: hundreds of years and, and you
• 52:45
  Speaker: allowed them to be able to move
• 52:46
  Speaker: on and.
• 52:47
  Speaker: Yes.
• 52:49
  Speaker: Yes.
• 52:49
  Speaker: That's amazing.
• 52:51
  Speaker: And that, you know, that's what I tell people on the phone.
• 52:53
  Speaker: And then whenever they say,
• 52:54
  Speaker: look, I think I got a demon in
• 52:55
  Speaker: my house and like, no, no, you
• 52:57
  Speaker: probably don't.
• 52:58
  Speaker: You probably just have an angry
• 52:59
  Speaker: person in your home, but we're
• 53:00
  Speaker: going to bring peace to you and
• 53:02
  Speaker: them, and we're going to do it
• 53:04
  Speaker: in a way that's ethical and it's
• 53:06
  Speaker: moral, and that allows everyone
• 53:08
  Speaker: to, you know, to come to terms
• 53:11
  Speaker: with where they are and what's
• 53:12
  Speaker: going on and, and find their
• 53:14
  Speaker: peace.
• 53:14
  Speaker: And that's what we do.
• 53:16
  Speaker: That's what my wife and I do at epic is, is bring peace to the
• 53:21
  Speaker: living and the dead in a way that, that, you know, some, some
• 53:26
  Speaker: people might not be able to have access to being able to do.
• 53:31
  Speaker: I think that most people can be trained to do this.
• 53:36
  Speaker: If they open up their mind and put away certain preconceived
• 53:39
  Speaker: notions about how things are and accept how things really are.
• 53:43
  Speaker: And I think that that if the human body and the human spirit
• 53:50
  Speaker: are built in a way that no one can be excluded from this kind
• 53:54
  Speaker: of thing happening, or being able to learn how to at least
• 53:58
  Speaker: see and communicate.
• 54:00
  Speaker: And this is not something where I say, oh no, no, I'm special.
• 54:04
  Speaker: Only I can do these things.
• 54:06
  Speaker: I'm a, you know, I'm a better and gifted person than everybody
• 54:08
  Speaker: else because that's bull.
• 54:10
  Speaker: I was taught, you know, I saw these things from a kid.
• 54:13
  Speaker: I mean, I, I can remember as a
• 54:15
  Speaker: kid seeing stuff like this and I
• 54:17
  Speaker: just thought it was normal to do
• 54:18
  Speaker: that.
• 54:19
  Speaker: But I'm not I'm not exceptional by any means.
• 54:22
  Speaker: I just have a, you know, a more,
• 54:26
  Speaker: Uh, readily available acceptance
• 54:29
  Speaker: of the way the universe is
• 54:32
  Speaker: built.
• 54:32
  Speaker: And I understand it from a
• 54:33
  Speaker: spiritual and a scientific point
• 54:35
  Speaker: of view.
• 54:36
  Speaker: Or like this is quantum, this is
• 54:37
  Speaker: how the universe was
• 54:38
  Speaker: constructed.
• 54:39
  Speaker: We're not an accident.
• 54:41
  Speaker: We're, you know, I've heard people say we're nothing more
• 54:44
  Speaker: than just beetles scurrying across the earth.
• 54:46
  Speaker: And when we're dead, when
• 54:47
  Speaker: biological death occurs, we are
• 54:49
  Speaker: gone.
• 54:50
  Speaker: And I'm like, no, no, dude, I've talked to enough dead people.
• 54:53
  Speaker: I disagree with you.
• 54:54
  Speaker: I, you know, and, you know, I've got a real good, uh, friend of
• 54:58
  Speaker: mine who, uh, um, he teaches metaphysics, um, at a college
• 55:04
  Speaker: around here, but he teaches it from the Immanuel Kant.
• 55:08
  Speaker: Uh, you know, Heidegger, you
• 55:10
  Speaker: know, the moral and ethical
• 55:13
  Speaker: metaphysics of, uh, the idea of
• 55:16
  Speaker: ethics.
• 55:18
  Speaker: And, you know, his idea is biological death is death.
• 55:22
  Speaker: That's it.
• 55:23
  Speaker: There is no, you know, he goes.
• 55:25
  Speaker: Deepak Chopra is wrong.
• 55:27
  Speaker: There is no Atman.
• 55:28
  Speaker: There is no this and that.
• 55:29
  Speaker: He goes, he he was there's nothing.
• 55:31
  Speaker: We are nothing more than.
• 55:33
  Speaker: Our personalities are a series
• 55:35
  Speaker: of biological events that have
• 55:36
  Speaker: been laid down in tracts of
• 55:38
  Speaker: memory.
• 55:38
  Speaker: And once that is done, it's over.
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  Speaker: And I go, okay, you know, I respect your opinion.
• 55:44
  Speaker: I, I get that and I get why you
• 55:46
  Speaker: would think that, you know,
• 55:47
  Speaker: whenever you see mom die and
• 55:48
  Speaker: mom's laying there on the bed
• 55:49
  Speaker: and she was breathing one moment
• 55:51
  Speaker: and the next moment the color
• 55:52
  Speaker: goes out.
• 55:53
  Speaker: Yeah.
• 55:54
  Speaker: It's easy to say once you're dead, you're frigging dead.
• 55:56
  Speaker: And that's it.
• 55:57
  Speaker: It's over.
• 55:58
  Speaker: But I've talked to enough dead
• 56:00
  Speaker: people where I, I kind of I
• 56:02
  Speaker: disagree with that, and I'm
• 56:03
  Speaker: allowed to.
• 56:04
  Speaker: Absolutely.
• 56:05
  Speaker: And when did you actually when did you actually realize that
• 56:10
  Speaker: you had this ability to communicate with the dead and
• 56:13
  Speaker: like, start seeing people had passed and you said you were
• 56:16
  Speaker: very young, a child.
• 56:18
  Speaker: Oh, it's actually kind of funny.
• 56:20
  Speaker: Um, so when I was a kid, I had all kinds of psychic visions and
• 56:24
  Speaker: all that, and I could see aura and color and and I had all
• 56:28
  Speaker: kinds of things.
• 56:29
  Speaker: And I, I can remember, you know, um, one day I woke up and I
• 56:33
  Speaker: said, uh, I told my mom that, hey, dad came in the room this
• 56:37
  Speaker: morning and talked to me.
• 56:38
  Speaker: And she said, no, he didn't.
• 56:40
  Speaker: He never goes in your room.
• 56:41
  Speaker: In the morning, he wakes up at five a m and there's no way he
• 56:44
  Speaker: walked into your room and I said he was wearing this shirt and he
• 56:48
  Speaker: was wearing this tie.
• 56:49
  Speaker: But the thing was, he didn't have legs, okay?
• 56:52
  Speaker: I said he looked like an oval portrait frame was around him.
• 56:55
  Speaker: And everything around that portrait frame was my room.
• 56:58
  Speaker: But in the portrait frame was dad and all.
• 57:02
  Speaker: You could see what was in the portrait frame, which was from
• 57:05
  Speaker: about the chest up.
• 57:07
  Speaker: So she said, well, I'll prove you wrong.
• 57:09
  Speaker: And she calls into work and talks to my dad and she goes,
• 57:12
  Speaker: what shirt are you wearing?
• 57:13
  Speaker: And it was the shirt.
• 57:15
  Speaker: And what time are you wearing?
• 57:16
  Speaker: It was the tie.
• 57:18
  Speaker: And she said, did you go in and hit that?
• 57:19
  Speaker: Did you go in the boys room?
• 57:21
  Speaker: He goes, I would never go in there and wake those kids up.
• 57:25
  Speaker: And she says, how did you know what shirt he was wearing?
• 57:27
  Speaker: I said, I'm telling you.
• 57:28
  Speaker: He came into the room, but he didn't have legs.
• 57:32
  Speaker: And there was another time where
• 57:33
  Speaker: she's standing there watering
• 57:35
  Speaker: the plants while I'm having my
• 57:37
  Speaker: breakfast.
• 57:37
  Speaker: It was summertime.
• 57:38
  Speaker: I was eating breakfast a little
• 57:39
  Speaker: bit late because I'm going to go
• 57:40
  Speaker: out and spend the whole day
• 57:41
  Speaker: outside.
• 57:41
  Speaker: I'll come back after dinner, you know, and I'm standing there and
• 57:45
  Speaker: her aura was completely red, and there was like flecks of yellow
• 57:48
  Speaker: and orange in it and all that.
• 57:50
  Speaker: And I said, hey, you know,
• 57:51
  Speaker: around you, like, you're totally
• 57:53
  Speaker: putting off this, this red vibe
• 57:55
  Speaker: around you.
• 57:56
  Speaker: And there's like flecks of
• 57:57
  Speaker: different colors moving around
• 57:58
  Speaker: in it.
• 57:59
  Speaker: And she looked over at me and she goes, close your eyes.
• 58:02
  Speaker: You're not seeing that.
• 58:03
  Speaker: Now shut your face, eat your cereal and go outside and play.
• 58:06
  Speaker: Mhm.
• 58:08
  Speaker: And I stopped seeing it in color after that.
• 58:09
  Speaker: I just stopped looking at it that way.
• 58:12
  Speaker: So that was always happening.
• 58:15
  Speaker: I could always kind of just, you
• 58:17
  Speaker: know, you're always sensitive to
• 58:18
  Speaker: that.
• 58:18
  Speaker: Then I was always sensitive to it.
• 58:20
  Speaker: So I got older and started working.
• 58:23
  Speaker: And, you know, third shift is, you know, pays more some places.
• 58:27
  Speaker: And so I get on the police department and I don't know that
• 58:32
  Speaker: I'm doing it.
• 58:32
  Speaker: I, I didn't even realize I was still tuned in to that kind of
• 58:35
  Speaker: thing happening, but I could always tell when someone's going
• 58:38
  Speaker: to attack me.
• 58:40
  Speaker: Oh, wow.
• 58:40
  Speaker: That's a good that's a good trait to have.
• 58:41
  Speaker: Then it's a good trait to have.
• 58:43
  Speaker: You know, I might be standing
• 58:44
  Speaker: next to somebody or, you know,
• 58:46
  Speaker: standing with somebody next to a
• 58:47
  Speaker: car and I say, why don't you
• 58:48
  Speaker: reach in there and get your
• 58:49
  Speaker: wallet out, let me see your I.D.
• 58:50
  Speaker: or whatever.
• 58:51
  Speaker: And they would reach in and I would just like, you know, the
• 58:54
  Speaker: whole Spidey sense thing where you could tell when things are.
• 58:56
  Speaker: And I would just take a shift over to my left or to my right,
• 58:59
  Speaker: and I wouldn't be where they thought they left me.
• 59:01
  Speaker: And they would turn around and be like, aha, you know, and so I
• 59:05
  Speaker: always had that, you know, something bad's about to happen.
• 59:08
  Speaker: I have found people in places where other cops didn't think a
• 59:13
  Speaker: guy could hide.
• 59:14
  Speaker: I'm like, no, he's right in this.
• 59:15
  Speaker: He's right here.
• 59:17
  Speaker: And I would call out like, seriously, dude, if you don't
• 59:19
  Speaker: stand up and show yourself and I have to come in there and get
• 59:21
  Speaker: you, you're going to hate me and then come right out.
• 59:24
  Speaker: Like, how'd you do that?
• 59:25
  Speaker: Like I knew he was in there.
• 59:27
  Speaker: Like I knew that guy was in there.
• 59:29
  Speaker: Wow.
• 59:29
  Speaker: And so I do that and, you know, cops do this thing.
• 59:33
  Speaker: Uh, it came off of an old Joseph Wambaugh book.
• 59:36
  Speaker: It's called Choir Practice,
• 59:37
  Speaker: where dudes just sit around and
• 59:38
  Speaker: kind of shoot, shoot the breeze
• 59:40
  Speaker: after a run or whatever, and
• 59:42
  Speaker: just kind of, hey, what was that
• 59:43
  Speaker: run you had over there on Third
• 59:44
  Speaker: Avenue?
• 59:45
  Speaker: Like, oh yeah, you know, this guy was doing this or whatever.
• 59:47
  Speaker: So we'll just kind of sit there,
• 59:48
  Speaker: we'll take a run and we'll go
• 59:49
  Speaker: back out to our cars and just
• 59:50
  Speaker: kind of stand there for a few
• 59:51
  Speaker: minutes and gab a little bit,
• 59:52
  Speaker: and then get in our cars and
• 59:53
  Speaker: drive away.
• 59:55
  Speaker: And so the whole time, my whole
• 59:56
  Speaker: career on third shift, I talked
• 59:58
  Speaker: to somebody and lo and behold,
• 1:00:00
  Speaker: you know, there's a shadow that
• 1:00:01
  Speaker: moves from the garage to the
• 1:00:02
  Speaker: tree.
• 1:00:03
  Speaker: Hey, did you see that guy?
• 1:00:04
  Speaker: No. You didn't see that guy move behind that tree?
• 1:00:07
  Speaker: No. And I would look.
• 1:00:08
  Speaker: And there's another shadow
• 1:00:09
  Speaker: moving from a car over to a
• 1:00:11
  Speaker: garage.
• 1:00:12
  Speaker: Like you didn't just see that guy over there.
• 1:00:13
  Speaker: So I just quit asking, okay?
• 1:00:15
  Speaker: It's like, okay, fine, whatever.
• 1:00:18
  Speaker: So the whole time that I'm, I'm
• 1:00:20
  Speaker: working on the police
• 1:00:22
  Speaker: department, I'm also teaching
• 1:00:23
  Speaker: martial arts.
• 1:00:24
  Speaker: And the martial arts that I
• 1:00:26
  Speaker: teach is based on pressure
• 1:00:27
  Speaker: points.
• 1:00:28
  Speaker: It's the George Dillman Karate International.
• 1:00:32
  Speaker: And so the idea is that the kata that they would develop in
• 1:00:37
  Speaker: China, Okinawa and Japan, the movements in that kata aren't
• 1:00:42
  Speaker: the movements that they tell you that they are.
• 1:00:44
  Speaker: They actually map out like where to attack the next pressure
• 1:00:47
  Speaker: point in line in order to disable the attacker.
• 1:00:50
  Speaker: So he can't fight anymore
• 1:00:52
  Speaker: normally because they're
• 1:00:53
  Speaker: unconscious.
• 1:00:54
  Speaker: So we would practice after class
• 1:00:57
  Speaker: and we sent all the the lower
• 1:00:59
  Speaker: belts home, all of us black
• 1:01:01
  Speaker: belts and instructors, we'd all
• 1:01:02
  Speaker: sit around and kind of practice
• 1:01:03
  Speaker: on knockouts.
• 1:01:04
  Speaker: And so you'd, you'd like, you know, put your arm out like
• 1:01:07
  Speaker: you're punching somebody and say, okay, I want to hit this
• 1:01:09
  Speaker: point, this point and this point, and it should short
• 1:01:11
  Speaker: circuit you and you'll pass out and we would do it.
• 1:01:13
  Speaker: And hey, look at that.
• 1:01:14
  Speaker: Wake him back up.
• 1:01:15
  Speaker: And so we did that for years.
• 1:01:18
  Speaker: And I wanted to be able to do it better.
• 1:01:20
  Speaker: So I ran into a guy who was teaching Tai chi and he was able
• 1:01:23
  Speaker: to move energy and okay, fine.
• 1:01:25
  Speaker: So I trained with him for a year and he says, have you ever heard
• 1:01:28
  Speaker: of this stuff called Reiki?
• 1:01:29
  Speaker: I said, nope, I haven't heard of it.
• 1:01:31
  Speaker: You know, I, I've heard of stuff
• 1:01:32
  Speaker: called violating Indiana state
• 1:01:33
  Speaker: law.
• 1:01:34
  Speaker: Right?
• 1:01:36
  Speaker: So he says, okay, well, why don't you come over to my house?
• 1:01:39
  Speaker: He says, I will do a Reiki session on you because I was
• 1:01:42
  Speaker: telling him what I was feeling while I was doing tai Chi.
• 1:01:44
  Speaker: He's like, man, my hands are on fire and I can feel this thing
• 1:01:46
  Speaker: going up my spine and all that.
• 1:01:48
  Speaker: He goes, why don't you come out to the house?
• 1:01:49
  Speaker: I'll do Reiki on you.
• 1:01:50
  Speaker: I think you'd be good at it.
• 1:01:52
  Speaker: So he does Reiki on me.
• 1:01:54
  Speaker: And I went, Holy moly, that is incredible.
• 1:01:57
  Speaker: I've never felt anything like that.
• 1:02:00
  Speaker: So he taught me how to do it.
• 1:02:02
  Speaker: And so in March of two thousand
• 1:02:05
  Speaker: and nine, I finished training
• 1:02:06
  Speaker: with him on Reiki, and I went
• 1:02:09
  Speaker: into business right then and
• 1:02:10
  Speaker: there.
• 1:02:10
  Speaker: Everybody I could talk to was
• 1:02:11
  Speaker: like, you got to try this thing
• 1:02:12
  Speaker: out.
• 1:02:12
  Speaker: And so I started doing Reiki on everybody I could find.
• 1:02:16
  Speaker: And I was renting spaces from
• 1:02:17
  Speaker: yoga studios and bookstores and,
• 1:02:20
  Speaker: and chiropractic offices and all
• 1:02:21
  Speaker: that.
• 1:02:22
  Speaker: And I've been doing this since two thousand and nine.
• 1:02:23
  Speaker: And now I've got this, this
• 1:02:25
  Speaker: thing that I do tri state
• 1:02:26
  Speaker: holistic wellness where I do
• 1:02:27
  Speaker: everything.
• 1:02:27
  Speaker: And right now I'm going to college for therapeutic massage.
• 1:02:31
  Speaker: So in the process of that, Reiki
• 1:02:35
  Speaker: is the transmission of energy
• 1:02:36
  Speaker: from the universe in order to
• 1:02:38
  Speaker: help kind of get you lined back
• 1:02:40
  Speaker: out again.
• 1:02:41
  Speaker: Okay.
• 1:02:42
  Speaker: It's, it's kind of like, okay, yeah, my car is dirty.
• 1:02:45
  Speaker: I'm going to wash it down with water to get the dirt off of it.
• 1:02:47
  Speaker: And now look, it's shiny.
• 1:02:49
  Speaker: Well, it's kind of like that on the inside.
• 1:02:51
  Speaker: I'm bringing, I'm bringing in energy from the universe.
• 1:02:55
  Speaker: I'm going to wash you out on the inside.
• 1:02:56
  Speaker: I'm going to get the energy moving in the channels in the
• 1:02:59
  Speaker: direction that it needs to go.
• 1:03:00
  Speaker: And that way you're all clean on
• 1:03:02
  Speaker: the inside and you can operate
• 1:03:03
  Speaker: again, right?
• 1:03:05
  Speaker: So in the process of tapping
• 1:03:07
  Speaker: into that energy, I started
• 1:03:08
  Speaker: seeing all kinds of things
• 1:03:09
  Speaker: happening.
• 1:03:10
  Speaker: And I would, I would tell some
• 1:03:12
  Speaker: of the people that I would, you
• 1:03:13
  Speaker: know, work with and some other
• 1:03:14
  Speaker: things.
• 1:03:15
  Speaker: And I, I had a friend of mine who was a psychic medium.
• 1:03:18
  Speaker: He says, uh, you know, I would tell him, yes.
• 1:03:22
  Speaker: Looking on somebody and her dead dad came in the room and we were
• 1:03:25
  Speaker: able to make peace about that.
• 1:03:26
  Speaker: And he goes, okay, well, you
• 1:03:27
  Speaker: need to sit down with me and I
• 1:03:28
  Speaker: need to teach you how to do
• 1:03:29
  Speaker: this.
• 1:03:30
  Speaker: And so he was teaching me how to get into that.
• 1:03:33
  Speaker: And we would go out to lunch and
• 1:03:34
  Speaker: we would go out to dinner and
• 1:03:35
  Speaker: he'd say, okay, look around the
• 1:03:37
  Speaker: room.
• 1:03:37
  Speaker: How many people are in the room?
• 1:03:38
  Speaker: Like, um, there's like ten
• 1:03:39
  Speaker: people in the room plus two
• 1:03:40
  Speaker: waitresses.
• 1:03:41
  Speaker: And he goes, no, no, no. Now
• 1:03:43
  Speaker: blink your eyes and tell me how
• 1:03:44
  Speaker: many people are really in the
• 1:03:46
  Speaker: room.
• 1:03:47
  Speaker: And I was like, oh, wow.
• 1:03:48
  Speaker: Yeah, there's like eight dead people in here.
• 1:03:51
  Speaker: And he's like, yeah, okay, that's what you do.
• 1:03:53
  Speaker: And so we would go on house clearings and we would go into
• 1:03:56
  Speaker: people's homes and say, okay, let's, let's go cross these
• 1:03:59
  Speaker: people over and let's, uh, smudge the place and let's get
• 1:04:02
  Speaker: all this going on.
• 1:04:03
  Speaker: And so that's how I got learning how to do that.
• 1:04:06
  Speaker: And now I do that on my own.
• 1:04:07
  Speaker: And, and I, I go into people's homes and I just try to
• 1:04:12
  Speaker: establish the peace there.
• 1:04:13
  Speaker: That's awesome.
• 1:04:14
  Speaker: Now, you mentioned smudge
• 1:04:15
  Speaker: earlier to what I was meant to
• 1:04:16
  Speaker: ask you.
• 1:04:17
  Speaker: What what do you mean when you say you smudge the home?
• 1:04:20
  Speaker: Smudging is an ancient, uh, practice.
• 1:04:24
  Speaker: This is like thousands and
• 1:04:25
  Speaker: thousands of years old, uh, like
• 1:04:28
  Speaker: ten to thirty thousand years,
• 1:04:30
  Speaker: uh, old.
• 1:04:31
  Speaker: And what you do is you're burning specific elements
• 1:04:34
  Speaker: because the smoke, uh, helps to clear a space.
• 1:04:38
  Speaker: And so, uh, smoke in and of
• 1:04:40
  Speaker: itself whenever you're doing
• 1:04:43
  Speaker: things like burning incense or
• 1:04:44
  Speaker: you're burning sage or whatever,
• 1:04:46
  Speaker: smoke is a molecule that carries
• 1:04:49
  Speaker: light.
• 1:04:50
  Speaker: And so what happens is, um, you
• 1:04:53
  Speaker: ever like had an old muffler and
• 1:04:55
  Speaker: you knock on it and you could
• 1:04:56
  Speaker: hear the rust inside falling
• 1:04:57
  Speaker: down.
• 1:04:57
  Speaker: Oh, yeah.
• 1:04:58
  Speaker: Mhm.
• 1:04:58
  Speaker: Okay.
• 1:05:00
  Speaker: So picture a light bulb.
• 1:05:03
  Speaker: A light bulb works because
• 1:05:05
  Speaker: you're taking twelve lanes of LA
• 1:05:08
  Speaker: freeway traffic and trying to
• 1:05:09
  Speaker: convert that down to a dirt goat
• 1:05:11
  Speaker: path.
• 1:05:13
  Speaker: So what you're doing is you're
• 1:05:14
  Speaker: taking a lot of electrons that
• 1:05:16
  Speaker: have been flying across these
• 1:05:17
  Speaker: lamp cords and across the, the
• 1:05:19
  Speaker: romex, in your, in the walls of
• 1:05:21
  Speaker: your house.
• 1:05:22
  Speaker: And you're trying to jam all that down.
• 1:05:25
  Speaker: So only one molecule at a time will fit through that little
• 1:05:28
  Speaker: bitty tiny element.
• 1:05:30
  Speaker: Those, those collisions, whatever you collide, those
• 1:05:35
  Speaker: electrons like that, what they do is they put off light and
• 1:05:38
  Speaker: heat, which is why the bulbs burn out, because the filament
• 1:05:41
  Speaker: can't take heat for that long.
• 1:05:43
  Speaker: So what you're doing is you're
• 1:05:45
  Speaker: jamming all that energy into a
• 1:05:47
  Speaker: small space.
• 1:05:48
  Speaker: It puts off light and heat.
• 1:05:50
  Speaker: Now, if the light that was putting off by that filament did
• 1:05:54
  Speaker: not go past the glass, it would be called a dark bulb because
• 1:06:01
  Speaker: yeah, it's putting off light, but I can't see it out here.
• 1:06:05
  Speaker: Your body is the same way.
• 1:06:07
  Speaker: You've got like seventy five trillion cells in your body.
• 1:06:11
  Speaker: Each one of those is like a small city.
• 1:06:13
  Speaker: There's a mayor's office, there's a sewage department.
• 1:06:15
  Speaker: There's a production, uh, factory.
• 1:06:18
  Speaker: There's actually like fifteen
• 1:06:20
  Speaker: hundred production factories in
• 1:06:21
  Speaker: every cell.
• 1:06:22
  Speaker: And there's proteins being made.
• 1:06:25
  Speaker: There's a sensory things being, you know, done by the membranes.
• 1:06:28
  Speaker: You got seventy five to one hundred trillion cells that are
• 1:06:31
  Speaker: all acting like these individual little cities that are all
• 1:06:35
  Speaker: connected together to make organs and tissues.
• 1:06:38
  Speaker: Now the energy they put off is not contained within the skin.
• 1:06:44
  Speaker: It goes out past that.
• 1:06:45
  Speaker: That's our aura.
• 1:06:46
  Speaker: That's the energy that we produce out away from us, which
• 1:06:50
  Speaker: is why, you know, in America, we have this thing about, you know,
• 1:06:53
  Speaker: don't stand that close to me.
• 1:06:54
  Speaker: It's uncomfortable.
• 1:06:56
  Speaker: You know, we have this personal space thing in America.
• 1:06:58
  Speaker: In some countries, that personal space is much, much closer.
• 1:07:02
  Speaker: And Americans got to get, you know, we get kind of unnerved if
• 1:07:06
  Speaker: someone from the Middle East or Europe or or Eurasia wants to
• 1:07:10
  Speaker: stand right next to us to talk to us, it's like, dude, you got
• 1:07:13
  Speaker: to back off.
• 1:07:14
  Speaker: You know, those are fighting distances right there.
• 1:07:15
  Speaker: You know, you keep stepping into me like this.
• 1:07:17
  Speaker: I'm going to swing.
• 1:07:19
  Speaker: Because in America, like, you
• 1:07:20
  Speaker: know, you don't stand that close
• 1:07:22
  Speaker: to me.
• 1:07:22
  Speaker: You stand out here and you can watch a crowd of people.
• 1:07:26
  Speaker: And if there's two people standing next to each other, one
• 1:07:28
  Speaker: of them will shift.
• 1:07:31
  Speaker: So it's because of the energy we put off.
• 1:07:34
  Speaker: There's a there's a comfort zone of that.
• 1:07:36
  Speaker: And so what happens is your emotions.
• 1:07:41
  Speaker: Now remember I said earlier, emotions are real.
• 1:07:44
  Speaker: Thoughts are real.
• 1:07:45
  Speaker: They are a quantum value.
• 1:07:48
  Speaker: I actually read in a book that scientists have now determined
• 1:07:52
  Speaker: that emotions have mass.
• 1:07:55
  Speaker: They actually affect the world around us.
• 1:07:58
  Speaker: So, you know, if you if you listen to books like The Secret
• 1:08:01
  Speaker: or you watch the movie The Secret, or you know anything
• 1:08:03
  Speaker: about the Law of Attraction, or if you've read The Kybalion,
• 1:08:07
  Speaker: your thoughts become things.
• 1:08:10
  Speaker: If you think the world is crap, the world is going to give you
• 1:08:13
  Speaker: more crap to think about.
• 1:08:15
  Speaker: If you think the world is an
• 1:08:16
  Speaker: abundant opportunity, then what
• 1:08:18
  Speaker: you're going to see around you
• 1:08:19
  Speaker: is opportunities.
• 1:08:20
  Speaker: Everything you put out comes back.
• 1:08:22
  Speaker: And we see that with a lot of people we know.
• 1:08:24
  Speaker: You know, it's always the guy that complains.
• 1:08:25
  Speaker: Everything happens to me.
• 1:08:26
  Speaker: The Eeyore of the of the bunch,
• 1:08:28
  Speaker: absolutely crap does happen to
• 1:08:30
  Speaker: this guy.
• 1:08:30
  Speaker: And, you know, bad stuff does happen to everybody.
• 1:08:32
  Speaker: But it's like some people, it's
• 1:08:33
  Speaker: like, what the hell's going on
• 1:08:34
  Speaker: over here?
• 1:08:34
  Speaker: But it's that law of attraction
• 1:08:36
  Speaker: where it's like, you know,
• 1:08:38
  Speaker: there's a reason that's
• 1:08:39
  Speaker: happening.
• 1:08:39
  Speaker: I think sometimes, yes, in this world you've got the eeyores and
• 1:08:43
  Speaker: you've got the Elon Musk where everything is an opportunity.
• 1:08:46
  Speaker: You're okay.
• 1:08:46
  Speaker: And it's not because he's brilliant.
• 1:08:48
  Speaker: I mean, he is, but it's because
• 1:08:50
  Speaker: he uses his brilliance and he
• 1:08:51
  Speaker: doesn't go well, gee, the
• 1:08:53
  Speaker: world's a great big pile of
• 1:08:54
  Speaker: crap.
• 1:08:54
  Speaker: He looks at it like, okay, well,
• 1:08:56
  Speaker: this needs to be done in the
• 1:08:57
  Speaker: world.
• 1:08:57
  Speaker: How do we get that finished?
• 1:08:59
  Speaker: MM. Absolutely.
• 1:09:00
  Speaker: Yeah.
• 1:09:00
  Speaker: And so, you know, if he were an E or he could not do those
• 1:09:04
  Speaker: things right now, he may be weird and eccentric and most
• 1:09:07
  Speaker: people like that are, you know, there's a very, very fine, uh,
• 1:09:11
  Speaker: thin of a razor's edge between insanity and genius.
• 1:09:13
  Speaker: And we all know this.
• 1:09:15
  Speaker: Okay, so we put off energy
• 1:09:18
  Speaker: everywhere we go, which is why
• 1:09:19
  Speaker: empaths can pick up on other
• 1:09:20
  Speaker: people's emotional states
• 1:09:22
  Speaker: immediately because of the
• 1:09:23
  Speaker: energy they're feeling from
• 1:09:24
  Speaker: other people.
• 1:09:25
  Speaker: The difference is that a lot of
• 1:09:27
  Speaker: empaths will take on those
• 1:09:29
  Speaker: feelings, and if they're in a
• 1:09:31
  Speaker: room full of people, they start
• 1:09:32
  Speaker: losing track of where their
• 1:09:34
  Speaker: feelings end and someone else's
• 1:09:35
  Speaker: feelings begin.
• 1:09:37
  Speaker: Which is why you'll see a lot of people say, I don't like crowds.
• 1:09:39
  Speaker: I don't want to be in a room.
• 1:09:40
  Speaker: I don't like to go to parties.
• 1:09:40
  Speaker: I don't like to be in all that stuff and blah, blah, blah.
• 1:09:43
  Speaker: And it's like, no, because in about twenty minutes, I don't
• 1:09:46
  Speaker: know who I am anymore because I'm everybody else.
• 1:09:49
  Speaker: Okay, so now if you take that concept and say, okay, every day
• 1:09:56
  Speaker: that you come home from work, you spend the first hour stitch
• 1:09:59
  Speaker: into your wife about your day at work and your boss and this
• 1:10:02
  Speaker: project you had to do, and how this coworker backstabbed you.
• 1:10:05
  Speaker: And the client's an idiot and
• 1:10:06
  Speaker: doesn't even understand what you
• 1:10:07
  Speaker: produce here and blah, blah,
• 1:10:09
  Speaker: blah.
• 1:10:09
  Speaker: And that's what you do is you come home and then she says,
• 1:10:11
  Speaker: yeah, that might be fine.
• 1:10:12
  Speaker: You've had a bad day.
• 1:10:13
  Speaker: But I've had this with the kids and the car broke down and I had
• 1:10:16
  Speaker: to have this and we had to tow the car here and blah, blah,
• 1:10:17
  Speaker: blah, blah, blah.
• 1:10:18
  Speaker: And by the way, we got this bill coming up and your mother called
• 1:10:21
  Speaker: and she wants this and blah, blah, blah, blah, blah.
• 1:10:23
  Speaker: And so now it turns into this huge argument, right?
• 1:10:26
  Speaker: That energy gets put out between
• 1:10:29
  Speaker: the two of you and it goes and
• 1:10:32
  Speaker: it collects into the material
• 1:10:34
  Speaker: structure of the wall of the
• 1:10:35
  Speaker: house.
• 1:10:37
  Speaker: Remember, the walls of your house are nothing more than
• 1:10:39
  Speaker: electrons jiggling around.
• 1:10:42
  Speaker: The emotions you put off of you are electrons jiggling around.
• 1:10:47
  Speaker: They just match up and they meet in places.
• 1:10:50
  Speaker: Store things.
• 1:10:53
  Speaker: Now let me prove it to you
• 1:10:56
  Speaker: because, I mean, it sounds kind
• 1:10:58
  Speaker: of goofy, but let me put let me
• 1:10:59
  Speaker: prove it.
• 1:11:01
  Speaker: Tell me if you don't immediately notice the difference between
• 1:11:05
  Speaker: walking into a hospital, walking into a funeral home, and walking
• 1:11:09
  Speaker: into a cathedral.
• 1:11:11
  Speaker: You definitely do notice there's the the air changes.
• 1:11:14
  Speaker: Just everything about the whole mood.
• 1:11:16
  Speaker: Your emotional state kind of changes too.
• 1:11:19
  Speaker: Um, yes.
• 1:11:21
  Speaker: And now I have not been to
• 1:11:22
  Speaker: Europe, but what I have heard
• 1:11:24
  Speaker: from people who have is these
• 1:11:27
  Speaker: cathedrals in Europe you go to,
• 1:11:29
  Speaker: you know, Saint Peter's
• 1:11:30
  Speaker: Basilica, that is a humongous
• 1:11:33
  Speaker: edifice.
• 1:11:34
  Speaker: And it has it's like fifteen hundred years old.
• 1:11:37
  Speaker: I mean, it's, you know, it's a thousand years old.
• 1:11:40
  Speaker: And people walk into there.
• 1:11:41
  Speaker: What state of mind are they when they walk in there?
• 1:11:44
  Speaker: They're just in awe.
• 1:11:45
  Speaker: They're in awe.
• 1:11:46
  Speaker: And they are, well, they're they're coming in there to get
• 1:11:48
  Speaker: close to God, you know, whatever that you whatever you think that
• 1:11:53
  Speaker: that is, whatever version of God, you know, appeals to you.
• 1:11:56
  Speaker: Whatever that is for you.
• 1:11:58
  Speaker: They go in there to get close to that.
• 1:12:00
  Speaker: So they're in a reference state of mind.
• 1:12:02
  Speaker: They're in a pious state of mind.
• 1:12:04
  Speaker: They're in a forgiveness state of mind.
• 1:12:07
  Speaker: They're in a, uh, I want to just achieve peace state of mind.
• 1:12:11
  Speaker: Right.
• 1:12:12
  Speaker: And so when you walk into those
• 1:12:14
  Speaker: enormous cathedrals all across
• 1:12:16
  Speaker: Europe, you walk in there and
• 1:12:17
  Speaker: that energy is in the room and
• 1:12:19
  Speaker: it's been there for a thousand
• 1:12:21
  Speaker: years.
• 1:12:21
  Speaker: You can't walk into those buildings and be pissed.
• 1:12:25
  Speaker: Now walk into a funeral home.
• 1:12:28
  Speaker: What happens in funeral homes?
• 1:12:30
  Speaker: A you've got people sad that someone passed.
• 1:12:32
  Speaker: Mhm.
• 1:12:33
  Speaker: And now you've got you're dealing with friends and
• 1:12:36
  Speaker: relatives that you might not have seen for a while.
• 1:12:39
  Speaker: You might also be dealing with
• 1:12:40
  Speaker: siblings that are fighting over
• 1:12:42
  Speaker: what's left.
• 1:12:43
  Speaker: Uh, and you've got, you know,
• 1:12:45
  Speaker: brothers that haven't spoken for
• 1:12:46
  Speaker: twenty years that don't like
• 1:12:47
  Speaker: each other, but, you know, mom
• 1:12:48
  Speaker: died.
• 1:12:49
  Speaker: We got to be here.
• 1:12:50
  Speaker: Hey, can you at least put up with me for an hour?
• 1:12:52
  Speaker: Exactly.
• 1:12:52
  Speaker: Mhm.
• 1:12:53
  Speaker: Okay, so you've got that energy in the room.
• 1:12:55
  Speaker: It's not you.
• 1:12:57
  Speaker: Funeral homes don't feel that way because of the dead people.
• 1:13:00
  Speaker: They feel that way because of the live people.
• 1:13:04
  Speaker: Think about what's happening in a hospital.
• 1:13:05
  Speaker: You've got sick people that don't want to be there.
• 1:13:08
  Speaker: You've got visitors that don't want to be there.
• 1:13:12
  Speaker: You've got overworked, understaffed nurses that are
• 1:13:14
  Speaker: dealing with both.
• 1:13:17
  Speaker: You've got all that energy in the hospital.
• 1:13:19
  Speaker: Everybody says, well, how are you going to hospitals?
• 1:13:20
  Speaker: Well, I ain't going to hospitals too, because I know what energy
• 1:13:22
  Speaker: is going to be in there and waiting for me.
• 1:13:25
  Speaker: So now now we get to go back to smudging.
• 1:13:28
  Speaker: We know that buildings store that energy, and we know that
• 1:13:31
  Speaker: when people come home to the sanctity of their home.
• 1:13:34
  Speaker: They're as real as they're going to be.
• 1:13:36
  Speaker: And the energy that's coming off
• 1:13:38
  Speaker: of them is going to be where it
• 1:13:39
  Speaker: is.
• 1:13:39
  Speaker: And if you drink or you do drugs, that energy coming out is
• 1:13:43
  Speaker: going to stay in that home.
• 1:13:45
  Speaker: Smudging is like tapping on the
• 1:13:49
  Speaker: muffler and letting the rust
• 1:13:50
  Speaker: fall.
• 1:13:52
  Speaker: The smoke goes up.
• 1:13:54
  Speaker: And what I do is I go around the walls of the house and I let the
• 1:13:58
  Speaker: smoke waft up.
• 1:14:00
  Speaker: And what it does is it breaks loose all that emotional energy
• 1:14:04
  Speaker: and lets it fall to the ground and be destroyed.
• 1:14:08
  Speaker: It's like washing the car.
• 1:14:11
  Speaker: Now everything's shiny.
• 1:14:13
  Speaker: Now from this point forward, what you bring into the house,
• 1:14:16
  Speaker: that's up to you.
• 1:14:18
  Speaker: You want to come home and shoot up or.
• 1:14:20
  Speaker: Or you want to drink and fight and punch your wife in the head.
• 1:14:23
  Speaker: That energy is on you.
• 1:14:24
  Speaker: But I've cleaned the place.
• 1:14:25
  Speaker: Now.
• 1:14:26
  Speaker: We've tapped on the muffler and the rust has fallen down.
• 1:14:29
  Speaker: And now we're in a good place here.
• 1:14:32
  Speaker: Now the smoke is only half the job.
• 1:14:35
  Speaker: My emotional intention is the other half of the job.
• 1:14:39
  Speaker: And the intention is I want to break up all this energy and I
• 1:14:43
  Speaker: want it to dissipate.
• 1:14:44
  Speaker: I want it to be destroyed.
• 1:14:45
  Speaker: I want it to go away because it doesn't belong here anymore.
• 1:14:48
  Speaker: We want to clean it all out now, just like the same way.
• 1:14:51
  Speaker: If you've ever seen those pictures of a fighter jet
• 1:14:54
  Speaker: running through space, and he's right at the speed of sound, and
• 1:15:00
  Speaker: you've seen those where they got those venticular clouds right in
• 1:15:03
  Speaker: front of the jet.
• 1:15:04
  Speaker: That's like those those sound
• 1:15:05
  Speaker: waves that get backed up because
• 1:15:07
  Speaker: the sound he's putting out away
• 1:15:08
  Speaker: from him, he's actually at the
• 1:15:10
  Speaker: same speed of them until he
• 1:15:12
  Speaker: crosses just past the speed of
• 1:15:15
  Speaker: sound.
• 1:15:15
  Speaker: And you hear that crack and the clouds blow away.
• 1:15:18
  Speaker: And from down here, we hear the thunder of this.
• 1:15:20
  Speaker: Oh, yeah, another jet just broke the speed barrier, right?
• 1:15:23
  Speaker: Yeah, yeah.
• 1:15:24
  Speaker: Live in San Diego.
• 1:15:24
  Speaker: And tell me how often, you know, you get to hear that, right?
• 1:15:27
  Speaker: Right.
• 1:15:27
  Speaker: You know, we're I'm over here in Indiana.
• 1:15:29
  Speaker: We are all our jets are way up in the air.
• 1:15:31
  Speaker: And they've got, you know, you know, one hundred and fifty
• 1:15:34
  Speaker: people on them.
• 1:15:35
  Speaker: So think about whenever you're
• 1:15:37
  Speaker: smudging the house as you're
• 1:15:39
  Speaker: walking through the house with
• 1:15:40
  Speaker: the smudge going on, you're
• 1:15:42
  Speaker: collecting all that energy in
• 1:15:43
  Speaker: front of you, just like a
• 1:15:44
  Speaker: fighter jet collecting sound
• 1:15:45
  Speaker: waves.
• 1:15:46
  Speaker: And just like that, also think
• 1:15:49
  Speaker: about as you're smudging the
• 1:15:50
  Speaker: house.
• 1:15:52
  Speaker: Um, imagine the Zamboni driver at the hockey game, right?
• 1:15:56
  Speaker: He doesn't just get out on the
• 1:15:58
  Speaker: Zamboni and just drive around in
• 1:15:59
  Speaker: circles and just kind of just,
• 1:16:01
  Speaker: you know, do this drunken thing
• 1:16:02
  Speaker: where he just goes wherever he
• 1:16:03
  Speaker: wants, right?
• 1:16:04
  Speaker: Because if he leaves one little patch of non smoothed ice, one
• 1:16:10
  Speaker: little patch of rough ice can break a guy's ankle.
• 1:16:13
  Speaker: It could cause a major calamity.
• 1:16:15
  Speaker: So he has to use a pattern to
• 1:16:17
  Speaker: keep all the broken ice in front
• 1:16:20
  Speaker: of him, and leave the smooth ice
• 1:16:22
  Speaker: behind.
• 1:16:23
  Speaker: In the exact same way that the guy who comes out at halftime
• 1:16:26
  Speaker: during a basketball game, he's got the dust, my broom, and he's
• 1:16:30
  Speaker: going up and down.
• 1:16:31
  Speaker: Because if he leaves a little
• 1:16:32
  Speaker: bit of dust behind, somebody
• 1:16:33
  Speaker: could slide and throw out an
• 1:16:35
  Speaker: ACL.
• 1:16:36
  Speaker: So when I'm smudging, I'm
• 1:16:38
  Speaker: thinking about all this stays in
• 1:16:40
  Speaker: front of me and I don't leave
• 1:16:41
  Speaker: anything behind.
• 1:16:42
  Speaker: And whenever I get finished with the whole house, it goes right
• 1:16:45
  Speaker: out the front door.
• 1:16:46
  Speaker: So now I've swept the house.
• 1:16:48
  Speaker: It's clear.
• 1:16:49
  Speaker: It's clean.
• 1:16:51
  Speaker: Okay, that explains that.
• 1:16:53
  Speaker: I'd never heard the term smudge before, so that's awesome.
• 1:16:56
  Speaker: Well, a lot of people call it Saging.
• 1:16:57
  Speaker: Saging.
• 1:16:58
  Speaker: I've heard.
• 1:16:58
  Speaker: Yeah.
• 1:16:58
  Speaker: Okay.
• 1:16:59
  Speaker: Yeah, well, you can use a lot of different things besides sage.
• 1:17:03
  Speaker: Yeah.
• 1:17:03
  Speaker: The four elements of the Native Americans was tobacco, sage,
• 1:17:07
  Speaker: sweetgrass and cedar.
• 1:17:09
  Speaker: And if they wanted to, uh, they, if they wanted to have a moment
• 1:17:13
  Speaker: where they would say, right, here's where we're going to
• 1:17:15
  Speaker: build a spot where we're going to talk to Great Spirit, they
• 1:17:18
  Speaker: would have to clear that space out first, and then they would
• 1:17:21
  Speaker: have to bless that space.
• 1:17:23
  Speaker: So it would be nice and clean.
• 1:17:24
  Speaker: And then they would burn sweetgrass and say, hey, great
• 1:17:26
  Speaker: spirits, come down here and talk with us and be with us.
• 1:17:29
  Speaker: And so it was a it was a big process, though oftentimes in a
• 1:17:33
  Speaker: sweat lodge, they will coat the floor with sage leaves.
• 1:17:36
  Speaker: So that way as they're burning
• 1:17:38
  Speaker: the rocks and that that water is
• 1:17:40
  Speaker: being evaporated out of the
• 1:17:41
  Speaker: central pit, it is wafting all
• 1:17:44
  Speaker: that sage up and you get to
• 1:17:45
  Speaker: enjoy that moment of being
• 1:17:48
  Speaker: immersed in that sage and
• 1:17:49
  Speaker: cleansing you.
• 1:17:50
  Speaker: So that way, whenever you are in
• 1:17:52
  Speaker: the midst of your suffering and
• 1:17:54
  Speaker: the sweat, your prayers can be
• 1:17:56
  Speaker: heard.
• 1:17:57
  Speaker: I see.
• 1:17:57
  Speaker: Okay, that makes sense.
• 1:17:59
  Speaker: And that's the same thing.
• 1:18:00
  Speaker: Okay.
• 1:18:01
  Speaker: Take a look at, um, the typical prayer position, right?
• 1:18:05
  Speaker: What's prayer position?
• 1:18:06
  Speaker: Well, I mean, you're basically kneeling or crossing your hands
• 1:18:10
  Speaker: and you usually have palms together, palms together.
• 1:18:14
  Speaker: They're usually they're usually somewhere near your upper chest.
• 1:18:17
  Speaker: Your hands may either be with
• 1:18:19
  Speaker: straight fingers or with fingers
• 1:18:20
  Speaker: latched.
• 1:18:21
  Speaker: Why did that come about?
• 1:18:23
  Speaker: Why do we have so many paintings
• 1:18:25
  Speaker: of people with their hands
• 1:18:28
  Speaker: pressed together at their upper
• 1:18:30
  Speaker: chest?
• 1:18:31
  Speaker: Why did that become the prayer position?
• 1:18:35
  Speaker: They even do it at the end of yoga.
• 1:18:37
  Speaker: Stand with your feet together.
• 1:18:38
  Speaker: Hands up in prayer position.
• 1:18:39
  Speaker: Now bow.
• 1:18:39
  Speaker: Namaste.
• 1:18:40
  Speaker: Okay, that came about because At the time referred to in the
• 1:18:47
  Speaker: Bible during the time, like thousands of years ago, for four
• 1:18:51
  Speaker: or five thousand years ago.
• 1:18:52
  Speaker: Right?
• 1:18:53
  Speaker: The idea of getting a bath.
• 1:18:55
  Speaker: Hell, even up through the Middle Ages, getting a bath was a twice
• 1:18:59
  Speaker: a year event.
• 1:19:01
  Speaker: You didn't get a bath.
• 1:19:02
  Speaker: Every three Americans is like, oh my God, Europeans smell.
• 1:19:05
  Speaker: Well, yeah, because they don't they're not.
• 1:19:07
  Speaker: So like, first of all, they don't coat themselves with a
• 1:19:10
  Speaker: thousand products like we do and that are and they're, they
• 1:19:15
  Speaker: don't, they don't feel the need to strip themselves down the way
• 1:19:19
  Speaker: we do with baths and lotions and soaps and all this other crap
• 1:19:23
  Speaker: with all these chemicals.
• 1:19:25
  Speaker: Now back, you know, up up until, well, heck, even my parents
• 1:19:33
  Speaker: would get a bath once a week and that was in the forties and 50s.
• 1:19:38
  Speaker: Okay, so this is this idea of I got to get up every morning and
• 1:19:41
  Speaker: take a shower and scrub myself down and exfoliate and all this.
• 1:19:44
  Speaker: That's a brand new thing.
• 1:19:47
  Speaker: So you're talking about a group
• 1:19:49
  Speaker: of people that took a bath twice
• 1:19:51
  Speaker: a year.
• 1:19:52
  Speaker: And even in the Bible that they
• 1:19:54
  Speaker: said that the Hebrews would only
• 1:19:55
  Speaker: do it right before their huge
• 1:19:57
  Speaker: celebrations.
• 1:19:59
  Speaker: They had two big feasts of a year, and you had to be clean in
• 1:20:02
  Speaker: order to enjoy the feast, right?
• 1:20:05
  Speaker: All the other days of the year, you would use essential oils and
• 1:20:10
  Speaker: you would wash your body down with essential oils that would
• 1:20:14
  Speaker: be perfumed, um, like they would use olive oil or, you know, some
• 1:20:19
  Speaker: other kind of oil from normally from olives because it's the
• 1:20:21
  Speaker: easiest to get at and cut, you know, uh, cotton seed oil is
• 1:20:24
  Speaker: very difficult to get.
• 1:20:25
  Speaker: You have to use hexane, which is what they use to turn crude oil
• 1:20:28
  Speaker: into gasoline, which is why I never eat oils.
• 1:20:30
  Speaker: So in order to keep you from getting staph infections, uh,
• 1:20:34
  Speaker: crotch rot, uh, heat rash and having bugs and all that other
• 1:20:39
  Speaker: stuff growing in your beard and your hair because, you know,
• 1:20:42
  Speaker: dudes back then had long hair and long beards.
• 1:20:45
  Speaker: That was a mark of distinction.
• 1:20:47
  Speaker: So you rubbed oil into your beard, you rubbed oil into your
• 1:20:50
  Speaker: hair, you put oil under your armpits, you put oil in your
• 1:20:52
  Speaker: crotch, and that kept you clean.
• 1:20:55
  Speaker: It kept you sanitary, and it kept you smelling nice because,
• 1:21:00
  Speaker: you know, it's hard for you to have kids and build your housely
• 1:21:05
  Speaker: kingdom if your wife don't want to be around you naked.
• 1:21:08
  Speaker: This is true.
• 1:21:08
  Speaker: Yeah.
• 1:21:09
  Speaker: Okay.
• 1:21:10
  Speaker: So now, because we know from
• 1:21:12
  Speaker: aromatherapy that every aroma
• 1:21:14
  Speaker: out there, every flower scent,
• 1:21:16
  Speaker: every tree bark, every root, it
• 1:21:19
  Speaker: affects the mind in a different
• 1:21:21
  Speaker: way.
• 1:21:22
  Speaker: If I want to elevate my energy, I will inhale lemon or orange or
• 1:21:28
  Speaker: something like that.
• 1:21:29
  Speaker: Pine.
• 1:21:30
  Speaker: Mhm.
• 1:21:30
  Speaker: If I want to relax, which is
• 1:21:32
  Speaker: what I do with my clients in
• 1:21:33
  Speaker: Reiki, I will put lavender on my
• 1:21:36
  Speaker: hands, lavender essential oil,
• 1:21:38
  Speaker: and I will hold my hands over
• 1:21:40
  Speaker: their face.
• 1:21:40
  Speaker: So they're breathing in all that
• 1:21:42
  Speaker: lavender and it calms the
• 1:21:44
  Speaker: nervous system.
• 1:21:45
  Speaker: If I want to elevate my spirit,
• 1:21:48
  Speaker: I'll use what the Catholic
• 1:21:50
  Speaker: Church has used for a thousand
• 1:21:51
  Speaker: years, which is frankincense and
• 1:21:53
  Speaker: myrrh.
• 1:21:54
  Speaker: That's what's in those sensors
• 1:21:55
  Speaker: that they put out over everybody
• 1:21:56
  Speaker: in in the cathedral, because it
• 1:22:00
  Speaker: raises the spirit and it
• 1:22:02
  Speaker: essentially raises your
• 1:22:04
  Speaker: vibration so you can commune
• 1:22:05
  Speaker: with God.
• 1:22:07
  Speaker: It also helps because of the smoke, to clear the space of any
• 1:22:10
  Speaker: negative energy you brought in with you that day.
• 1:22:13
  Speaker: But you'll notice.
• 1:22:14
  Speaker: But before they start to do the Eucharist, they always come
• 1:22:17
  Speaker: around and they censor the altar, they censor the elements,
• 1:22:20
  Speaker: they censor everything, and they'll walk through the crowd
• 1:22:23
  Speaker: and they'll waft that big old censer around with them.
• 1:22:25
  Speaker: And it's just smoking, right?
• 1:22:26
  Speaker: And the whole place will be filled with smoke.
• 1:22:28
  Speaker: It's to get that place cleared out.
• 1:22:31
  Speaker: So now if I want to elevate my
• 1:22:34
  Speaker: spirit during a time of personal
• 1:22:36
  Speaker: prayer, I would rub frankincense
• 1:22:38
  Speaker: and myrrh oil on my hands and
• 1:22:41
  Speaker: put them together right
• 1:22:42
  Speaker: underneath my face and inhale
• 1:22:44
  Speaker: that aroma.
• 1:22:45
  Speaker: Ah, okay.
• 1:22:47
  Speaker: That's why we have prayer position.
• 1:22:49
  Speaker: That makes sense.
• 1:22:50
  Speaker: Okay.
• 1:22:51
  Speaker: I'd never thought about that.
• 1:22:52
  Speaker: So.
• 1:22:53
  Speaker: Wow.
• 1:22:53
  Speaker: Yeah, that's that's why it's there.
• 1:22:55
  Speaker: It's because of the culture where it came from.
• 1:22:58
  Speaker: You know, we think like we're so original, but everything that we
• 1:23:01
  Speaker: do is thousands of years old.
• 1:23:02
  Speaker: We're not all that smart, you
• 1:23:04
  Speaker: know, why have so many more
• 1:23:06
  Speaker: questions?
• 1:23:06
  Speaker: And actually, one thing I wanted to get into, but I don't I think
• 1:23:09
  Speaker: we've run out of time.
• 1:23:10
  Speaker: So I think maybe next time one of your, uh, encounters on the
• 1:23:14
  Speaker: job was actually featured on a travel channel, uh, episode of
• 1:23:17
  Speaker: paranormal nine one one.
• 1:23:19
  Speaker: Oh, yes.
• 1:23:20
  Speaker: And I really want to get into that, but I think maybe next
• 1:23:22
  Speaker: time we can maybe go into that.
• 1:23:24
  Speaker: So if people want to, I would love to have a next time.
• 1:23:27
  Speaker: And now that during this show,
• 1:23:29
  Speaker: I've been able to kind of
• 1:23:30
  Speaker: expound on the, the metaphysics
• 1:23:33
  Speaker: and the quantum physics of what
• 1:23:34
  Speaker: actually happens and what can
• 1:23:37
  Speaker: happen.
• 1:23:38
  Speaker: It will allow me to do a lot
• 1:23:40
  Speaker: less backup explaining for what
• 1:23:43
  Speaker: happened on that particular
• 1:23:45
  Speaker: event.
• 1:23:46
  Speaker: Let me just say, if you go and
• 1:23:47
  Speaker: watch the show, it's paranormal
• 1:23:49
  Speaker: nine one one on the Travel
• 1:23:50
  Speaker: Channel.
• 1:23:51
  Speaker: You can see it on Amazon Prime, you can see it on YouTube.
• 1:23:56
  Speaker: Um, it is season one, episode twelve.
• 1:23:58
  Speaker: The episode is called Demon Boss
• 1:24:00
  Speaker: and, uh, it's called Demon Boss
• 1:24:03
  Speaker: because I told the producers
• 1:24:05
  Speaker: when they were filming this up
• 1:24:06
  Speaker: in Buffalo, I said it was kind
• 1:24:08
  Speaker: of like where, uh, you're
• 1:24:10
  Speaker: playing a video game, but you
• 1:24:11
  Speaker: got to go through the minions
• 1:24:12
  Speaker: before you get to the boss,
• 1:24:14
  Speaker: right?
• 1:24:15
  Speaker: You know, you got to go through twenty eight levels.
• 1:24:17
  Speaker: Like if you're playing Donkey Kong, right?
• 1:24:18
  Speaker: You're going to go through
• 1:24:19
  Speaker: twenty eight levels of barrels
• 1:24:21
  Speaker: and all this kind of stuff
• 1:24:21
  Speaker: before you finally get to the
• 1:24:22
  Speaker: monkey.
• 1:24:23
  Speaker: Right?
• 1:24:23
  Speaker: And it's, you know, it's just the same thing.
• 1:24:25
  Speaker: I had to go through all these
• 1:24:26
  Speaker: minions before I could get to
• 1:24:28
  Speaker: the boss.
• 1:24:29
  Speaker: And so I said, you know, it was like the demon boss.
• 1:24:31
  Speaker: And then they said, okay, that's a great name for the show.
• 1:24:34
  Speaker: But if you if you watch the
• 1:24:35
  Speaker: episode, it's a episode or
• 1:24:37
  Speaker: season one, episode twelve,
• 1:24:38
  Speaker: Demon Boss.
• 1:24:39
  Speaker: Um, they were supposed to give me of the full hour because they
• 1:24:43
  Speaker: filmed me for almost like two and a half hours, three hours.
• 1:24:46
  Speaker: And they, they were originally said, okay, well, we're, you
• 1:24:49
  Speaker: know, your segment's going to be, you know, the first half
• 1:24:51
  Speaker: hour of the show.
• 1:24:52
  Speaker: So that's twenty two minutes after the commercials.
• 1:24:55
  Speaker: And they said, um, okay, no, actually I changed my mind.
• 1:24:58
  Speaker: You're going to get the whole show.
• 1:24:59
  Speaker: But what they did was they took my story.
• 1:25:02
  Speaker: And the format of the show is
• 1:25:05
  Speaker: first responders who encounter
• 1:25:07
  Speaker: scary stuff.
• 1:25:08
  Speaker: So that's the whole premise of the show.
• 1:25:10
  Speaker: It's not what they did.
• 1:25:11
  Speaker: It's not what you know, whether they captured evidence.
• 1:25:14
  Speaker: It's like, hey, I'm a cop.
• 1:25:15
  Speaker: I did a burglary call and I saw something scary.
• 1:25:18
  Speaker: Here's my story.
• 1:25:19
  Speaker: And so because I was a cop when I did this thing, I wrote them
• 1:25:24
  Speaker: the story out and I said, hey, you know, if you want to talk
• 1:25:26
  Speaker: about this, let me have it.
• 1:25:28
  Speaker: And so we got around to filming this.
• 1:25:30
  Speaker: They took my story and had to change it to not only fit the
• 1:25:33
  Speaker: format, but the time frame.
• 1:25:36
  Speaker: So when I do tell you this
• 1:25:37
  Speaker: story, it is much, much
• 1:25:39
  Speaker: different than.
• 1:25:41
  Speaker: Than what?
• 1:25:42
  Speaker: That TV show?
• 1:25:43
  Speaker: That TV show.
• 1:25:43
  Speaker: Like I said, they had to meet the format.
• 1:25:45
  Speaker: They had to meet the time frame.
• 1:25:47
  Speaker: And so that's, you know, that's, I knew that going in.
• 1:25:50
  Speaker: And so I'm not even, I'm not even miffed about it.
• 1:25:52
  Speaker: Like, okay, I know this is going to happen.
• 1:25:54
  Speaker: But yeah, if I'm given the
• 1:25:56
  Speaker: opportunity to come back a
• 1:25:57
  Speaker: second time, I would love to go
• 1:25:58
  Speaker: into that story because it is
• 1:26:00
  Speaker: much different.
• 1:26:01
  Speaker: Well, definitely.
• 1:26:01
  Speaker: And I'll have links to that
• 1:26:03
  Speaker: episode in the show notes, and
• 1:26:04
  Speaker: I'll have links to all of your
• 1:26:05
  Speaker: the ways people can get Ahold of
• 1:26:06
  Speaker: you, Joe.
• 1:26:07
  Speaker: And absolutely in the show notes and how if you, if people need
• 1:26:10
  Speaker: to get Ahold of you to, you know, for your business or how
• 1:26:12
  Speaker: would they do that?
• 1:26:13
  Speaker: What's the best way for them to do that?
• 1:26:16
  Speaker: You can either reach me on Facebook messenger.
• 1:26:19
  Speaker: Um, you can, um, email me at one of my several emails.
• 1:26:24
  Speaker: Um, you can reach me at Joe at
• 1:26:27
  Speaker: Tri-State holistic wellness dot
• 1:26:29
  Speaker: com Or you can reach me at, um,
• 1:26:33
  Speaker: Epic Paranormal.
• 1:26:34
  Speaker: Peace at gmail dot com.
• 1:26:37
  Speaker: Perfect.
• 1:26:37
  Speaker: I'll have all of those in the show notes at River city mystery
• 1:26:39
  Speaker: dot com slash.
• 1:26:41
  Speaker: So if anyone wants to check all that out.
• 1:26:43
  Speaker: So and you've kind of agreed to
• 1:26:44
  Speaker: be our subject matter expert on
• 1:26:46
  Speaker: all things paranormal in the
• 1:26:47
  Speaker: area.
• 1:26:47
  Speaker: So we'll definitely have you
• 1:26:48
  Speaker: back to talk about, you know,
• 1:26:49
  Speaker: specific issues.
• 1:26:50
  Speaker: Like you said, you know, now
• 1:26:51
  Speaker: that we've kind of discussed who
• 1:26:53
  Speaker: you are and what you do, maybe
• 1:26:54
  Speaker: kind of dig in a little bit into
• 1:26:56
  Speaker: the details.
• 1:26:56
  Speaker: So I would relish the opportunity.
• 1:26:59
  Speaker: All right.
• 1:26:59
  Speaker: And if anyone would like to ask Joe any questions, feel free to
• 1:27:02
  Speaker: contact me at RiverCityMystery.com/contact.
• 1:27:05
  Speaker: And you can leave a voice memo or a text message.
• 1:27:09
  Speaker: And I can submit those questions
• 1:27:11
  Speaker: to Joe for the next time he's on
• 1:27:12
  Speaker: the show.
• 1:27:12
  Speaker: Or we can maybe even set up, set up a time for the three of us
• 1:27:16
  Speaker: to, to get together and talk.
• 1:27:17
  Speaker: I appreciate you joining me today, Joe.
• 1:27:19
  Speaker: And, uh, thank you very much.
• 1:27:21
  Speaker: Oh, I'm, I'm grateful that you asked me to be here.
• 1:27:24
  Speaker: This is a great honor.
• 1:27:24
  Speaker: Thank you.