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GARY HOLT EXPOSES THE TRUTH BEHIND RE-RECORDING BONDED BY BLOOD 7/26/08 · Classic Metal Show

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  That's Exodus right here with a great tune from their classic
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  album,
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  Bonded by Blood.
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  SPEAKER_02: That was And Then There Were None.
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  SPEAKER_02: But apparently there's going to be more than one now.
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  It looks like we're going to have a brand new version of Bonded
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  by Blood or a
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  SPEAKER_02: re-recorded,
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  SPEAKER_02: modernized version of it.
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  And on the phone right now we've got the one and only Gary Holt
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  from Exodus to explain.
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  SPEAKER_02: So Gary, how you doing, man?
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  SPEAKER_02: Doing good.
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  SPEAKER_00: How are you, Chris?
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  SPEAKER_02: I am excellent, man.
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  SPEAKER_02: Well,
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  SPEAKER_02: Gary,
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  I've got to say that while I'm very happy to see that you're
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  going to redo Bonded
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  SPEAKER_02: by Blood,
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  SPEAKER_02: I'm confused a little bit as to why.
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  SPEAKER_02: I mean,
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  SPEAKER_02: as you know,
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  SPEAKER_02: and most people know,
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  most people look at Bonded as not only the epic moment in
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  Exodus's career,
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  SPEAKER_02: but as one of the all-time epic albums ever in the world of thrash metal.
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  SPEAKER_02: Why take it on at this point?
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  SPEAKER_00: Well, you know, the first thing I say is what I tell everybody.
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  You know,
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  because,
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  I mean,
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  I understand some people are going to be on the fence.
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  SPEAKER_00: And,
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  SPEAKER_00: you know,
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  SPEAKER_00: for anybody to feel that passionately about something you've recorded,
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  SPEAKER_00: you know,
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  SPEAKER_00: that's an honor and a compliment.
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  I'm not going to,
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  like,
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  you know,
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  yell at someone if they think we shouldn't have done it.
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  SPEAKER_00: But,
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  SPEAKER_00: you know,
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  SPEAKER_00: it's like,
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  SPEAKER_00: to me,
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  SPEAKER_00: you know,
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  SPEAKER_00: let me first say,
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  SPEAKER_00: you know,
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  SPEAKER_00: there's no way we're trying to replace Bond of the Blood.
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  SPEAKER_00: You can't, you know.
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  SPEAKER_00: Yeah.
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  SPEAKER_00: This is, you know, an entirely different thing.
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  SPEAKER_00: You know, it's just an updated version.
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  SPEAKER_00: You know, it's like, you know, these are songs that...
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  SPEAKER_00: You know,
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  SPEAKER_00: I've always wanted to be able to give,
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  SPEAKER_00: you know,
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  SPEAKER_00: the benefits of,
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  SPEAKER_00: you know,
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  SPEAKER_00: the modern technology and to bring the,
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  SPEAKER_00: you know,
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  SPEAKER_00: the proper production,
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  SPEAKER_00: you know,
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  SPEAKER_00: quality to these songs that they deserve,
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  SPEAKER_00: you know.
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  SPEAKER_00: And, you know, we own these songs.
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  SPEAKER_00: You know, we're doing this on our own.
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  SPEAKER_00: You know, we're not putting this out through the label.
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  SPEAKER_00: And, you know, it's something we're doing for the fans.
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  SPEAKER_00: And it's a tribute to Paul.
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  SPEAKER_00: And it's crushing.
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  SPEAKER_00: And people are going to shit their pants.
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  SPEAKER_00: And I think, you know, people...
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  SPEAKER_00: people are either going to like it or they're going to learn to like it.
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  SPEAKER_00: And there might be some people who are like,
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  SPEAKER_00: you know,
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  SPEAKER_00: look,
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  SPEAKER_00: you know,
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  SPEAKER_00: I'll just listen to Bonaparte.
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  SPEAKER_00: And that's perfectly fine, too.
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  SPEAKER_00: You know, I would never want anybody to stop, you know?
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  SPEAKER_00: Sure.
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  SPEAKER_00: You know, that's Paul's magnum opus, you know?
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  SPEAKER_00: And, you know, it's the only album he ever did in his life, you know?
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  And we're just trying to,
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  like,
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  bring these songs,
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  you know,
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  into this era of Exodus,
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  you know?
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  SPEAKER_02: Sure.
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  SPEAKER_02: Well, the one thing, Gary, that comes up...
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  SPEAKER_02: is obviously that Paul only did have a short career with Exodus.
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  SPEAKER_02: As far as a short recorded career,
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  do you worry that some fans will automatically just discredit
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  it because all they
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  ever heard was that one little blast from Paul and they
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  associate him with damn
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  SPEAKER_02: near perfection in the thrash world?
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  SPEAKER_00: Well, first let me say how amazing that is on Paul's end.
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  SPEAKER_00: How many people can lay claim
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  SPEAKER_00: to recording one album in 1985,
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  SPEAKER_00: nonetheless,
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  SPEAKER_00: and being viewed today as a heavy metal icon,
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  SPEAKER_00: you know,
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  SPEAKER_00: based on one album,
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  SPEAKER_00: one performance.
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  SPEAKER_00: That's pretty amazing, you know.
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  But,
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  you know,
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  I totally understand what you're saying,
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  and the one thing people are going to
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  SPEAKER_00: be blown away when they hear it.
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  And it's the thing most people say when they see us do these
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  songs live is that Rob
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  SPEAKER_00: does them real justice.
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  SPEAKER_00: He actually channels Paul in all the right places.
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  SPEAKER_00: I mean,
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  SPEAKER_00: even when we're recording on the studio records,
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  SPEAKER_00: it's like Rob knows exactly what I mean,
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  SPEAKER_00: and I use it constantly when I tell him to give me more bail-off.
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  SPEAKER_02: Right, okay.
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  SPEAKER_00: And I use that term more than anything.
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  When we're tracking atrocity exhibition,
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  I'll tell them,
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  give me more bedrock.
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  SPEAKER_00: And he knows that means I want him to be as metal as possible.
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  And people are going to hear it,
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  and they're going to know that Paul's smiling.
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  SPEAKER_02: Well,
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  SPEAKER_02: the one thing that I'm looking forward to,
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  SPEAKER_02: Gary,
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  SPEAKER_02: outside of,
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  SPEAKER_02: you know,
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  SPEAKER_02: I mean,
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  SPEAKER_02: obviously the first thing everybody's going to zero in on is the vocals.
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  SPEAKER_02: They're going to lock in on every track.
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  SPEAKER_02: The thing I'm most looking forward to hearing is Tom's drumming on this,
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  SPEAKER_02: because that was always,
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  SPEAKER_02: in my eyes,
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  SPEAKER_02: the one area that just,
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  SPEAKER_02: it
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  SPEAKER_02: If all you ever heard of Exodus was Bonded by Blood,
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  you never really got even close to what the drumming was about
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  in the band.
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  SPEAKER_00: Oh, yeah.
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  SPEAKER_00: Tom just crushes on this record.
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  SPEAKER_00: You know what I mean?
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  SPEAKER_00: We did this thing also.
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  SPEAKER_00: You know,
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  SPEAKER_00: we were very well aware of the fact that,
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  SPEAKER_00: at least in our own opinion,
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  SPEAKER_00: the best thing to do with this re-recording was not make it overly shiny.
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  SPEAKER_00: You know, we didn't go in and polish this thing, you know,
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  you know to some high pro glow you know we wanted it wild we
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  wanted it aggressive
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  and to have like that live energy and feeling you know like we
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  did the whole thing
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  in a really fast amount of time and uh when they're here and
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  tom just shreds so
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  hard on it the guitars are just so crunchy and uh and rob's is
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  just he's awesome on
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  SPEAKER_00: it you know and like
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  SPEAKER_00: You know,
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  SPEAKER_00: he sounds like himself,
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  SPEAKER_00: but enough like Paul,
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  SPEAKER_00: you know,
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  SPEAKER_00: because,
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  SPEAKER_00: you know,
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  SPEAKER_00: he's a huge Paul fan.
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  And,
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  you know,
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  he tries as hard as to bring the best parts of Paul to the
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  table.
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  SPEAKER_00: Now,
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  SPEAKER_00: there are some things Paul did that were so unique to him that,
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  SPEAKER_00: you know,
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  SPEAKER_00: for anybody else to imitate,
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  SPEAKER_00: you know,
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  SPEAKER_00: Paul's little yelps that he would do.
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  SPEAKER_03: Right.
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  SPEAKER_00: You know, like, you know, if you think you could be.
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  SPEAKER_00: I can't even hit the note, you know.
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  SPEAKER_00: Anybody else,
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  anybody on the planet to do that would sound like they were
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  parodying Paul,
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  SPEAKER_00: you know.
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  SPEAKER_00: And, you know, that's something that just only Paul could do.
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  So,
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  you know,
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  we don't try to,
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  like,
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  but since you put the band back together and the whole tempo of
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  SPEAKER_02: those records,
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  SPEAKER_02: from when you put the band back together,
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  SPEAKER_02: your guitar playing has been absolutely fierce,
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  SPEAKER_02: way,
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  SPEAKER_02: way more over the top than you ever were back in the day.
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  SPEAKER_02: Do you bring what you're doing now to the table with this,
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  SPEAKER_02: or did you try to mimic what you did before?
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  SPEAKER_02: Absolutely.
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  SPEAKER_00: I mean,
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  SPEAKER_00: like,
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  SPEAKER_00: you know,
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  SPEAKER_00: speaking for myself,
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  SPEAKER_00: you know,
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  SPEAKER_00: because,
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  SPEAKER_00: you know,
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  SPEAKER_00: I mean,
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  SPEAKER_00: Lee,
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  SPEAKER_00: you know,
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  SPEAKER_00: did his thing and,
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  SPEAKER_00: you know,
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  SPEAKER_00: and he added his,
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  SPEAKER_00: you know,
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  SPEAKER_00: his bits.
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  SPEAKER_00: But as far as my Bonded by Blood solos,
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  SPEAKER_00: you know,
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  SPEAKER_00: I kept all the key elements,
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  SPEAKER_00: you know,
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  SPEAKER_00: the little things here.
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  SPEAKER_00: But,
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  SPEAKER_00: you know,
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  SPEAKER_00: in between that,
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  SPEAKER_00: you know,
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  SPEAKER_00: in between point A and point B,
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  SPEAKER_00: yeah,
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  SPEAKER_00: you know,
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  SPEAKER_00: I embellish,
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  SPEAKER_00: you know,
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  SPEAKER_00: with,
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  SPEAKER_00: you know,
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  SPEAKER_00: little skirmishes here and there,
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  SPEAKER_00: you know.
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  SPEAKER_00: But it's certainly just way aggressive and it's just really in your face.
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  SPEAKER_02: Now,
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  SPEAKER_02: Gary,
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  SPEAKER_02: do you think yourself that since you've brought Exodus back,
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  SPEAKER_02: that both yourself and the band is more fierce?
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  SPEAKER_02: I'm curious if you see what a lot of fans see,
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  SPEAKER_02: because to me as a fan,
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  SPEAKER_02: you guys are just killing.
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  SPEAKER_00: Yeah,
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  SPEAKER_00: I think we're far more fierce than ever,
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  SPEAKER_00: except for if you went back to the very beginning of the band.
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  The band was just as fierce in those early days,
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  the days of Bonded by Blood.
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  SPEAKER_00: And,
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  SPEAKER_00: you know,
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  SPEAKER_00: although I think we did some great music in the middle,
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  SPEAKER_00: I think we,
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  SPEAKER_00: you know,
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  SPEAKER_00: maybe part of it's a little more political correctness than,
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  SPEAKER_00: you know,
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  SPEAKER_00: we used to have.
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  SPEAKER_00: Right.
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  Now,
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  you know,
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  we're pretty much back to,
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  like,
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  just being shit disturbers.
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  And,
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  you know,
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  and,
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  like,
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  you know,
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  and the proof is just in our audience.
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  SPEAKER_00: Our audience,
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  SPEAKER_00: I mean,
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  Exodus built a reputation on having the most violent fan base
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  in the world,
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  SPEAKER_00: you know,
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  SPEAKER_00: and...
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  And,
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  you know,
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  people were afraid,
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  you know,
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  afraid of it,
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  you know,
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  outsiders,
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  you know.
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  SPEAKER_00: Hell,
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  SPEAKER_00: Anthrax,
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  SPEAKER_00: the first time I ever met Scotty Ann,
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  SPEAKER_00: you know,
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  SPEAKER_00: we opened one tour on the Anthrax Wavin tour,
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  SPEAKER_00: you know,
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  SPEAKER_00: in San Francisco,
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  SPEAKER_00: you know,
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  SPEAKER_00: promoters asked,
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  SPEAKER_00: we wanted to do it.
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  SPEAKER_00: They were terrified to play after us.
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  SPEAKER_00: And,
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  SPEAKER_00: you know,
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  SPEAKER_00: now,
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  SPEAKER_00: I mean,
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  SPEAKER_00: our audience is every bit that violent again,
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  and I truly believe we have the most fierce violent crowd in
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  the world again,
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  SPEAKER_00: you know.
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  SPEAKER_00: And,
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  SPEAKER_00: you know,
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  SPEAKER_00: a lot of it is just,
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  SPEAKER_00: you know,
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  SPEAKER_00: anger,
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  SPEAKER_00: you know,
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  SPEAKER_00: and just bitterness,
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  SPEAKER_00: and we're cranky old men,
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  SPEAKER_00: and so we're absolutely,
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  SPEAKER_00: you know,
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  SPEAKER_00: our approach to this band is,
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  SPEAKER_00: you know,
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  SPEAKER_00: to take no prisoners,
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  SPEAKER_00: you know what I mean?
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  SPEAKER_00: We're out to, like, slaughter everybody.
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  SPEAKER_00: Sure.
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  SPEAKER_00: And prove we do it better.
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  SPEAKER_02: Well,
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  SPEAKER_02: speaking of that,
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  SPEAKER_02: Gary,
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  SPEAKER_02: one of the things that I've noticed lately,
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  SPEAKER_02: and we've had a couple of these bands on the show,
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  SPEAKER_02: is the fact that...
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  SPEAKER_02: a lot of thrash is making a,
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  SPEAKER_02: I don't want to say a comeback,
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  SPEAKER_02: but there's a whole new generation of it out there.
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  SPEAKER_02: Your bands like Hatchet or Gamma Bomb or Warbringer.
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  SPEAKER_00: Yeah, Evile, Fueled by Fire, you know, so many of them.
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  SPEAKER_02: Are you surprised to see people kind of picking up your style?
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  And I'll say that it's your style because they really don't
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  sound like Testament or
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  SPEAKER_02: Death Angel or Anthrax or any of those bands.
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  SPEAKER_02: They really are coming up with the,
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  fast,
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  aggressive,
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  brutal riffs that you've kind of made your own and just
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  expounding on that.
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  SPEAKER_02: Are you surprised to see that?
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  SPEAKER_00: Yeah, surprised and pleasantly surprised.
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  SPEAKER_00: You know,
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  SPEAKER_00: three,
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  SPEAKER_00: four years ago,
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  SPEAKER_00: people tell me,
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  SPEAKER_00: you know,
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  SPEAKER_00: an interview is asking me,
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  SPEAKER_00: you know,
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  SPEAKER_00: what do you think of this?
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  SPEAKER_00: big, you know, flash metal renaissance.
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  SPEAKER_00: And I always told them the same thing.
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  SPEAKER_00: I believe it when I see it.
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  You know,
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  it's just,
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  you know,
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  I just,
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  I'll tell them,
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  I just played a show last night.
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  SPEAKER_00: The turnout was anything but a renaissance.
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  SPEAKER_00: Right.
• 11:15
  SPEAKER_00: But within the last couple years, I absolutely, you know, I've seen it.
• 11:20
  And,
• 11:20
  you know,
• 11:21
  I've watched this band,
• 11:22
  you know,
• 11:22
  just from tempo,
• 11:23
  the damn dawn.
• 11:24
  SPEAKER_00: Just keep plugging away and keep working.
• 11:26
  SPEAKER_00: And,
• 11:27
  SPEAKER_00: you know,
• 11:28
  SPEAKER_00: just early this year,
• 11:29
  the headlining North American tour we did was by far the most
• 11:33
  successful we've done
• 11:34
  SPEAKER_00: since,
• 11:34
  SPEAKER_00: you know,
• 11:35
  SPEAKER_00: coming out with Tempo of the Damned.
• 11:37
  SPEAKER_00: I mean, it was really good, you know.
• 11:38
  SPEAKER_00: I mean, a bad show was 150 people, not 20.
• 11:43
  SPEAKER_02: Right, sure.
• 11:44
  SPEAKER_00: You know, and I'll take that any day of the week, you know.
• 11:48
  SPEAKER_00: And,
• 11:48
  SPEAKER_00: you know,
• 11:48
  SPEAKER_00: because that's still,
• 11:49
  SPEAKER_00: if you're in a small enough little bar or club,
• 11:51
  SPEAKER_00: that's not a bad show.
• 11:52
  SPEAKER_00: It's fun.
• 11:52
  SPEAKER_03: Right.
• 11:53
  SPEAKER_00: And, you know, but, yeah, now all these bands are embracing it, you know.
• 11:56
  SPEAKER_00: And I'm,
• 11:58
  SPEAKER_00: you know,
• 11:58
  SPEAKER_00: a big supporter of it,
• 12:00
  SPEAKER_00: you know,
• 12:00
  SPEAKER_00: and I'll do anything I can to help these young pups,
• 12:03
  SPEAKER_00: you know.
• 12:04
  SPEAKER_02: Sure.
• 12:04
  SPEAKER_02: Well,
• 12:05
  SPEAKER_02: and that's been the interesting thing when I've talked to them,
• 12:07
  SPEAKER_02: like that band Hatchet as an example.
• 12:09
  SPEAKER_02: The guy, I talked to the singer from Hatchet.
• 12:13
  SPEAKER_00: Marcus, yeah.
• 12:13
  SPEAKER_02: Yeah, Marcus.
• 12:14
  SPEAKER_02: Yeah.
• 12:15
  SPEAKER_02: I think every other word out of his mouth was Exodus.
• 12:18
  SPEAKER_02: He was talking more about your band than his.
• 12:20
  SPEAKER_00: I mean, I've only even met him once, but he's just such a cool young kid.
• 12:25
  SPEAKER_00: And these guys, they love the stuff.
• 12:28
  It's like even though they weren't probably a glimmer in their
• 12:32
  father's eye yet
• 12:33
  SPEAKER_00: when the shit was being created.
• 12:35
  SPEAKER_00: I think it's awesome, man.
• 12:39
  SPEAKER_02: They'll never do it as well as the originators, man.
• 12:41
  SPEAKER_02: I will say that, man.
• 12:42
  SPEAKER_00: You guys... Well, we've got to keep showing.
• 12:46
  SPEAKER_00: The professor still has lots to teach the student, you know?
• 12:49
  SPEAKER_02: Right, definitely.
• 12:52
  Well,
• 12:52
  Gary,
• 12:53
  something you had told me when we talked about the time that
• 12:57
  atrocity...
• 12:59
  came out was that there's actually a part B to this thing
• 13:01
  coming in you know from
• 13:03
  what I've read online you I got your deal worked out with a
• 13:06
  nuclear blast and now
• 13:07
  that record is coming is that correct yeah I've been spending
• 13:10
  you know we've had
• 13:12
  most of the summer off and I you know other than the you know
• 13:15
  we recording the time
• 13:17
  spent doing that I've just spent every day writing and Lee's
• 13:21
  writing and you know
• 13:22
  we have the four songs completed and recorded and I've got four
• 13:25
  I'm working on
• 13:26
  SPEAKER_00: right now and Lee's got two or three and
• 13:28
  SPEAKER_00: And,
• 13:28
  SPEAKER_00: you know,
• 13:29
  SPEAKER_00: I can honestly say,
• 13:30
  SPEAKER_00: you know,
• 13:30
  SPEAKER_00: the new stuff has me more excited than any of the last three records,
• 13:34
  SPEAKER_00: the riffs.
• 13:35
  SPEAKER_00: It's just, it's going to be monstrous.
• 13:37
  SPEAKER_02: Very cool.
• 13:38
  SPEAKER_00: And, you know, you use the word fierce.
• 13:40
  Every album I do,
• 13:41
  I'm just trying to find a way to,
• 13:42
  like,
• 13:43
  up the fierce ante,
• 13:45
  you know?
• 13:45
  SPEAKER_02: Right, sure.
• 13:46
  SPEAKER_02: Well,
• 13:46
  SPEAKER_02: one of the things that obviously does that is just the in-your-face,
• 13:50
  SPEAKER_02: punch-in-the-mouth style of Rob Dukes,
• 13:52
  SPEAKER_02: man.
• 13:53
  SPEAKER_02: You know,
• 13:53
  SPEAKER_02: a lot of people give him a lot of shit about,
• 13:56
  SPEAKER_02: you know,
• 13:56
  SPEAKER_02: that he doesn't sound like either Zetro or Paul on the records.
• 14:00
  SPEAKER_02: But anybody that's seen him live, he is a menace, man.
• 14:04
  SPEAKER_00: He is just... He's a total menace.
• 14:06
  Like,
• 14:07
  you know,
• 14:08
  people either love him or they've learned to love him because,
• 14:10
  you know,
• 14:11
  he...
• 14:11
  SPEAKER_00: You know,
• 14:12
  SPEAKER_00: I mean,
• 14:12
  SPEAKER_00: he brings,
• 14:13
  SPEAKER_00: you know,
• 14:13
  SPEAKER_00: to Zetra material,
• 14:15
  SPEAKER_00: he brings a little of Zetra in there,
• 14:17
  SPEAKER_00: you know,
• 14:17
  SPEAKER_00: and I definitely hear comparisons,
• 14:19
  SPEAKER_00: you know,
• 14:19
  SPEAKER_00: and I hear,
• 14:20
  SPEAKER_00: you know,
• 14:20
  SPEAKER_00: a lot of part in him when he does that stuff,
• 14:22
  SPEAKER_00: you know,
• 14:23
  SPEAKER_00: and like,
• 14:23
  SPEAKER_00: you know,
• 14:24
  SPEAKER_00: him and Zetra,
• 14:24
  SPEAKER_00: you know,
• 14:25
  SPEAKER_00: they even,
• 14:25
  SPEAKER_00: like,
• 14:25
  SPEAKER_00: they have,
• 14:26
  SPEAKER_00: you know,
• 14:26
  SPEAKER_00: just the tone of their speaking voices.
• 14:28
  SPEAKER_00: You know,
• 14:29
  SPEAKER_00: I don't think he either sounds the same,
• 14:32
  SPEAKER_00: but,
• 14:32
  SPEAKER_00: you know,
• 14:32
  SPEAKER_00: Rob's able to embrace the best of,
• 14:34
  SPEAKER_00: like,
• 14:35
  SPEAKER_00: both those guys and bring it to his own style and,
• 14:39
  Plus,
• 14:39
  he does tend to punch you square in the face harder than you
• 14:43
  can imagine.
• 14:44
  SPEAKER_00: He was quite a find.
• 14:49
  SPEAKER_02: The one thing that I tell everybody this is,
• 14:52
  SPEAKER_02: as hard as you guys possibly could try,
• 14:55
  SPEAKER_02: as much money as you could possibly spend in a studio...
• 14:59
  SPEAKER_02: You guys don't even come close to capturing what it is live.
• 15:02
  SPEAKER_02: I mean, the energy and the aggression live is unbelievable.
• 15:06
  SPEAKER_00: Well, yeah.
• 15:07
  SPEAKER_00: I mean,
• 15:07
  SPEAKER_00: I want it that way,
• 15:08
  SPEAKER_00: you know,
• 15:09
  SPEAKER_00: because where do you...
• 15:10
  SPEAKER_00: If that's not the case,
• 15:11
  SPEAKER_00: where do you have to go but down,
• 15:13
  SPEAKER_00: you know?
• 15:15
  SPEAKER_00: If you're not heavier than your record live, you're softer.
• 15:18
  SPEAKER_00: Right.
• 15:19
  SPEAKER_00: Or at best, you're just like on an even keel, you know?
• 15:22
  SPEAKER_00: You know, live, you know, and it's been the case in Exodus since 1980.
• 15:26
  SPEAKER_00: Live, everything's a little bit faster.
• 15:28
  you know everything's louder and it's going to be a little more
• 15:32
  grating and
• 15:33
  aggressive and you know everything can be a little crunchier
• 15:36
  and you know it's just
• 15:37
  SPEAKER_00: that and it's also a lot more dangerous you know because
• 15:40
  SPEAKER_00: you know,
• 15:40
  SPEAKER_00: we're one of those bands that teeters on the edge of,
• 15:42
  SPEAKER_00: like,
• 15:43
  SPEAKER_00: technical perfection and loss of control.
• 15:46
  SPEAKER_00: And,
• 15:46
  SPEAKER_00: you know,
• 15:47
  SPEAKER_00: and I think it's one of the things that makes Exodus,
• 15:49
  SPEAKER_00: like,
• 15:49
  SPEAKER_00: what we are live is the fact that,
• 15:51
  SPEAKER_00: you know,
• 15:51
  SPEAKER_00: everything's on the brink of,
• 15:53
  SPEAKER_00: like,
• 15:53
  SPEAKER_00: of chaos and total meltdown,
• 15:55
  SPEAKER_00: you know,
• 15:56
  SPEAKER_00: while being sonically and,
• 15:57
  SPEAKER_00: you know,
• 15:58
  SPEAKER_00: technically proficient at the same time,
• 16:00
  SPEAKER_00: you know.
• 16:01
  It's not safe and it's not sterile,
• 16:03
  I guess is the best way to put it,
• 16:05
  you know.
• 16:05
  SPEAKER_00: You know, there's an element of danger and,
• 16:10
  you know impending armageddon there and sometimes it does erupt
• 16:14
  I know that I know
• 16:14
  one of the big videos in the last year that's bounced around
• 16:17
  YouTube was the video
• 16:18
  where Rob stopped the show because security was being you know
• 16:22
  being pretty asinine
• 16:23
  to the fans I I mean that's you know that was one of those
• 16:27
  things you know where
• 16:28
  you know it happened it was due to one person's you know
• 16:32
  overzealous behavior you
• 16:33
  SPEAKER_00: know I mean
• 16:34
  SPEAKER_00: You know,
• 16:34
  SPEAKER_00: because,
• 16:34
  SPEAKER_00: you know,
• 16:35
  SPEAKER_00: first let me say,
• 16:35
  SPEAKER_00: you know,
• 16:36
  SPEAKER_00: our audience is nowadays comprised of mostly kids,
• 16:39
  SPEAKER_00: you know.
• 16:39
  SPEAKER_00: When you see,
• 16:40
  SPEAKER_00: you know,
• 16:40
  SPEAKER_00: some guy who looks like he's,
• 16:41
  SPEAKER_00: you know,
• 16:42
  SPEAKER_00: a semi-pro football player beating on a 115-pound 16-year-old,
• 16:44
  SPEAKER_00: it tends to piss you off a little bit.
• 16:47
  SPEAKER_00: Oh, yeah.
• 16:48
  SPEAKER_00: You know,
• 16:48
  SPEAKER_00: you're coming at a venue that's one of our favorite venues in America,
• 16:51
  SPEAKER_00: you know,
• 16:52
  SPEAKER_00: and we've since,
• 16:53
  SPEAKER_00: you know,
• 16:53
  SPEAKER_00: patched any...
• 16:55
  SPEAKER_00: problems,
• 16:55
  SPEAKER_00: you know,
• 16:55
  SPEAKER_00: and we've all apologized,
• 16:57
  SPEAKER_00: you know,
• 16:57
  SPEAKER_00: and it was one of those things you had to bend there,
• 17:00
  SPEAKER_00: though,
• 17:00
  SPEAKER_00: to witness it,
• 17:01
  SPEAKER_00: because,
• 17:01
  SPEAKER_00: you know,
• 17:01
  SPEAKER_00: the whole thing lasted,
• 17:03
  SPEAKER_00: like,
• 17:03
  SPEAKER_00: a long time,
• 17:04
  SPEAKER_00: you know.
• 17:05
  SPEAKER_00: Right.
• 17:06
  SPEAKER_00: You know,
• 17:06
  SPEAKER_00: we stopped her,
• 17:07
  SPEAKER_00: you know,
• 17:08
  SPEAKER_00: and,
• 17:09
  SPEAKER_00: you know,
• 17:09
  SPEAKER_00: while this shit was going on on stage,
• 17:11
  SPEAKER_00: I'm offstage trying to negotiate and smooth things out,
• 17:15
  SPEAKER_00: you know,
• 17:15
  SPEAKER_00: and then,
• 17:16
  SPEAKER_00: you know,
• 17:16
  SPEAKER_00: the stage out in Hapton,
• 17:18
  SPEAKER_00: so they killed the PO,
• 17:19
  SPEAKER_00: even though if you look at it,
• 17:20
  SPEAKER_00: you know,
• 17:20
  SPEAKER_00: some of these kids,
• 17:21
  SPEAKER_00: you know,
• 17:22
  SPEAKER_00: You know,
• 17:22
  SPEAKER_00: I love them all to death,
• 17:24
  SPEAKER_00: but,
• 17:24
  SPEAKER_00: you know,
• 17:24
  SPEAKER_00: that's not what I grew up calling stage diving.
• 17:27
  SPEAKER_00: You know, it's more like a stage flop, you know?
• 17:29
  SPEAKER_02: Right, yeah.
• 17:30
  SPEAKER_00: I mean,
• 17:30
  SPEAKER_00: yeah,
• 17:30
  SPEAKER_00: we just played,
• 17:31
  SPEAKER_00: you know,
• 17:32
  SPEAKER_00: a free tidal wave festival in San Francisco,
• 17:34
  and we had some of our infamous old school guys like Toby Rage
• 17:38
  and Chris Conto,
• 17:39
  SPEAKER_00: who was formerly of Machine Ed,
• 17:40
  SPEAKER_00: just doing just four all-out airborne assaults,
• 17:43
  SPEAKER_00: you know?
• 17:44
  SPEAKER_00: And these kids were just kind of laying off the front of the stage,
• 17:47
  SPEAKER_00: and they shut the PA down,
• 17:48
  SPEAKER_00: and
• 17:49
  SPEAKER_00: And,
• 17:49
  SPEAKER_00: you know,
• 17:49
  SPEAKER_00: then,
• 17:50
  SPEAKER_00: you know,
• 17:50
  SPEAKER_00: the shit got really out of hand,
• 17:52
  SPEAKER_00: and I was backstage like,
• 17:53
  SPEAKER_00: look,
• 17:53
  SPEAKER_00: you know,
• 17:54
  SPEAKER_00: we'll keep them off the stage.
• 17:55
  SPEAKER_00: Just let's let the show go.
• 17:57
  SPEAKER_00: But it was amazing.
• 17:58
  I mean,
• 17:58
  the level,
• 17:59
  the decibel level from these kids and the pit,
• 18:03
  it was just fantastic.
• 18:04
  SPEAKER_00: Sure.
• 18:05
  SPEAKER_00: Awesome.
• 18:05
  SPEAKER_02: Well, that's always the case with Exodus.
• 18:08
  SPEAKER_02: Gary,
• 18:09
  what am I missing that you want people to know about There Will
• 18:12
  Be Blood or about
• 18:13
  SPEAKER_02: Atrocity B or just about Exodus in general?
• 18:17
  SPEAKER_00: You know, there will be blood.
• 18:19
  SPEAKER_00: It should be out in October, October-ish, you know.
• 18:22
  SPEAKER_00: You know,
• 18:22
  SPEAKER_00: people,
• 18:23
  SPEAKER_00: you know,
• 18:24
  SPEAKER_00: and I tell you that,
• 18:24
  SPEAKER_00: when people see the artwork,
• 18:26
  SPEAKER_00: you know,
• 18:26
  SPEAKER_00: old school people who,
• 18:27
  SPEAKER_00: like,
• 18:28
  might even be apprehensive are going to be drawn in because
• 18:31
  this artwork is just
• 18:32
  SPEAKER_00: amazing.
• 18:33
  SPEAKER_00: You know,
• 18:33
  SPEAKER_00: it's like the cover to Bonded by Blood,
• 18:36
  SPEAKER_00: I would never change it,
• 18:37
  SPEAKER_00: you know,
• 18:37
  SPEAKER_00: because it's a classic.
• 18:38
  SPEAKER_00: But it's also, let's be honest, classically bad.
• 18:42
  SPEAKER_00: And this one here is everything I wanted that one to be.
• 18:45
  SPEAKER_00: And it's like, it's amazing.
• 18:46
  SPEAKER_00: It's the baddest painting ever.
• 18:48
  It's not like some,
• 18:49
  you know,
• 18:50
  modern,
• 18:51
  you know,
• 18:51
  black and white Photoshop.
• 18:53
  SPEAKER_00: It's old school, but it's the level of detail on this thing.
• 18:57
  SPEAKER_00: The babies are just unbelievable.
• 18:59
  SPEAKER_00: Yeah.
• 19:00
  SPEAKER_00: Any atrocity exhibition exhibit B,
• 19:03
  SPEAKER_00: you know,
• 19:03
  we hope to be in the studio sometime like next spring and shoot
• 19:07
  them for a summer
• 19:08
  SPEAKER_00: release,
• 19:08
  SPEAKER_00: summer 2009.
• 19:09
  SPEAKER_00: Well,
• 19:10
  SPEAKER_02: Gary,
• 19:10
  SPEAKER_02: as a tradition on the show,
• 19:11
  we always let the artist pick the closing track and tell us a
• 19:14
  story about it.
• 19:15
  SPEAKER_02: What should we end this with?
• 19:16
  SPEAKER_00: Oh, shit.
• 19:17
  SPEAKER_00: Does it have to be one of my own?
• 19:19
  SPEAKER_02: It could be anything you want.
• 19:21
  SPEAKER_00: You know...
• 19:25
  SPEAKER_00: Let me see.
• 19:25
  SPEAKER_00: I'm one of those guys who doesn't listen to his own music very much.
• 19:30
  SPEAKER_00: Okay.
• 19:31
  SPEAKER_00: Once an album's done and I've heard the mix and approved it,
• 19:34
  SPEAKER_00: I pretty much don't listen to it anymore.
• 19:37
  Play Nemesis by Arch Enemy,
• 19:40
  dedicate that to my good buddy,
• 19:41
  Michael Mahat.
• 19:43
  SPEAKER_02: All right, well, let's check it out.
• 19:44
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