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How Many Teams Are Still Alive For The College Football Playoff? · Buckeyes TomOrrow Morning

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  Speaker 1: Welcome to buck Eyes tomorrow morning from Monday, October twenty First,
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  Speaker 1: I'm your host, tom Or. The Nebraska game is in
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  Speaker 1: five days. The game against Michigan in forty days. Last
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  Speaker 1: night's show put that up a little later than normal
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  Speaker 1: because I needed to let a couple of those games
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  Speaker 1: finish up. The Iowa State Cyclones ended up hanging on
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  Speaker 1: coming from behind to beat ucf an unbeaten. The Georgia
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  Speaker 1: Bulldogs ended up hanging on to knockoff formerly number one Texas.
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  Speaker 1: Now number one in the nation is the Oregon Ducks,
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  Speaker 1: Number two the Georgia Bulldogs. But man, Oman, this has
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  Speaker 1: already been a crazy season in college football. Only twenty
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  Speaker 1: teams in the Power four conferences have zero or one loss.
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  Speaker 1: So today we're going to be trying to take a
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  Speaker 1: bigger picture. Look, we're still a couple weeks out from
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  Speaker 1: that first college football playoff ranking show. But man o man,
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  Speaker 1: there is going to be a lot of drama between
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  Speaker 1: now and the end of the college football regular season,
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  Speaker 1: and one loss and even two losses now not necessarily
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  Speaker 1: going to be a season killer. Joined by Tony Gerdomantbuckeheadle
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  Speaker 1: dot Com. Tony, you had a fantastic tweet on Saturday night.
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  Speaker 1: Let you know, it brings me no pleasure to tell it.
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  Speaker 1: To give you a compliment here, but man, I'm so old.
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  Speaker 1: I can remember when people were saying the twelve team
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  Speaker 1: college football playoff would absolutely kill the regular season and
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  Speaker 1: the games wouldn't mean anything. This has been one of
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  Speaker 1: the most entertaining college football regular seasons I can remember.
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  Speaker 1: Everyone's taking losses. Still sort of feels like they all
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  Speaker 1: mean quite a bit, doesn't it.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, the anger and the angst on Twitter, the crowds
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  Speaker 2: going crazy, the look of disappointment on some of those
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  Speaker 2: Texas fans Saturday night. Yes, these are people still living
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  Speaker 2: and dying with their favorite sport and they'll continue to
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  Speaker 2: do so. And the thing that we've always said is
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  Speaker 2: that for the people who say that the expanded playoffs
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  Speaker 2: will negate the regular season, you're seeing that it is
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  Speaker 2: making the regular season a longer affair. More teams are
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  Speaker 2: in it for longer, and so more games matter, the
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  Speaker 2: more games count, and more teams are now still in
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  Speaker 2: the picture that wouldn't have been before, And I think
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  Speaker 2: that's a good thing.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, there are a lot more teams that are still
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  Speaker 1: involved and you know, you look at the end of
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  Speaker 1: the Major League Baseball regular season where they expanded it,
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  Speaker 1: and now there's six teams in each league that make
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  Speaker 1: the playoffs, and you can have the conversation about whether
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  Speaker 1: that water is down. The playoffs probably does. But in
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  Speaker 1: baseball it's a short series, and because of the nature
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  Speaker 1: of baseball, the better team only wins about fifty five
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  Speaker 1: percent of the time.
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  Speaker 3: In college football, that's probably not going to be the case.
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  Speaker 1: I don't think you're gonna have a ton of just
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  Speaker 1: absolutely shocking upsets in the first two weeks of the
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  Speaker 1: college football playoff. We'll see if I'm wrong. If I'm wrong,
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  Speaker 1: I will absolutely let you know i'm wrong. But I
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  Speaker 1: don't think that's going to be how it happened. So
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  Speaker 1: this just keeps teams potentially involved excited a lot more,
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  Speaker 1: a lot longer and further into the season. Makes those
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  Speaker 1: games a little more high stakes. So take a run
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  Speaker 1: through the Power four conferences right now and look at
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  Speaker 1: the teams that have zero and one loss, with the
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  Speaker 1: understanding obviously a lot of these teams have not played
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  Speaker 1: each other yet, so these are ultimately gonna be teams
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  Speaker 1: that get knocked out just by virtue of losing to
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  Speaker 1: each other, let alone if they have.
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  Speaker 3: An upset loss to someone else.
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  Speaker 1: So Tony, I think one of the most surprising stats
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  Speaker 1: we've seen over the course of the season already is
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  Speaker 1: there is only one Power four conference that has zero
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  Speaker 1: unbeaten teams. It is the Mighty SEC. The Texas Longhorns
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  Speaker 1: were the last ones to go down. Now the one
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  Speaker 1: loss teams Texas A and M. They lost week one
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  Speaker 1: to Notre Dame LSU, they lost Week one to USC Georgia,
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  Speaker 1: they lost to Alabama, Tennessee, Missouri, Texas. I mean, there
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  Speaker 1: are six teams there, all theoretically still in the picture,
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  Speaker 1: although you look at Missouri just barely scraping by against
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  Speaker 1: certain teams and it's like, yeah, okay, well, I don't
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  Speaker 1: know how long you'll be there. We'll see how long
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  Speaker 1: Texas A and M is there. But that's a conference
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  Speaker 1: where everyone had sort of penciled them in for four,
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  Speaker 1: maybe five teams, maybe not.
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  Speaker 2: It's interesting when you look at the standings and you're like, oh, yeah,
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  Speaker 2: Texas A and M. I had moved past them after
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  Speaker 2: like week two of the season, or maybe like week
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  Speaker 2: four of last season, and to see them back up
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  Speaker 2: there at the top, and it's it's interesting. You would
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  Speaker 2: expect and to see Alabama kind of out of the
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  Speaker 2: picture right now. Just there's just a lot of talent
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  Speaker 2: there and a lot of ranked teams. But we've also
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  Speaker 2: seen no, no great team, a lot of flaws in
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  Speaker 2: the SEC. I mean, we watched Carson Beck throw two
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  Speaker 2: interceptions to Texas and not look good throughout much of
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  Speaker 2: that game. We've we saw Texas to you know, have
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  Speaker 2: quarterback issues themselves, and so yeah, there's it's interesting. But
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  Speaker 2: at least now time, we know that everybody in the
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  Speaker 2: SEC has played somebody, So you can't say they ain't
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  Speaker 2: played nobody because they've all played somebody and lost.
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  Speaker 3: They all have played somebody.
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  Speaker 1: And you know, it's incredible to have six teams on
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  Speaker 1: that list and none of them are named the Alabama
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  Speaker 1: Crimson tie. That's that's really amazing.
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  Speaker 3: And you know, two losses, I think you can get in.
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  Speaker 1: And you can still get in with two losses, three
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  Speaker 1: losses when if you're nine to three, unless you've got
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  Speaker 1: a remarkably difficult schedule and you've you've won you know
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  Speaker 1: all of your you know, you've you've lost nothing but
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  Speaker 1: great games.
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  Speaker 3: Against you know, close games against great teams.
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  Speaker 1: I think that's going to be a hard, hard ask.
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  Speaker 1: So can Alabama win out maybe, but that's you know,
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  Speaker 1: that's going to be a tough ask for them. Moving
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  Speaker 1: on to the Big Ten five teams Tony unbeaten or
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  Speaker 1: with one loss, three of them we absolutely expected to
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  Speaker 1: be here. That would be the unbeaten organ Ducks, the
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  Speaker 1: unbeaten Penn State Nitney Lions, and the one loss Ohio
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  Speaker 1: State Buckeyes. Figured those three were going to be strongly
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  Speaker 1: in the college football playoff picture all season long. We
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  Speaker 1: also have to talk about the unbeaten Indiana Hoosiers hosting
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  Speaker 1: College Game Day on Saturday, the one loss Illinois fighting
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  Speaker 1: the line. I just handed Michigan their third loss of
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  Speaker 1: the season. This is one where there's not as much overlap.
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  Speaker 3: With these teams.
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  Speaker 1: They don't all play each other, so this is not
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  Speaker 1: necessarily something that's going to resolve itself. I don't think
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  Speaker 1: I'm really buying Illinois winning out and remaining in this group,
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  Speaker 1: but Indiana, Oregon, Penn State, Ohio State, Illinois. Theoretically it
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  Speaker 1: is possible if Illinois beats Oregon and Ohio State beats Indiana,
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  Speaker 1: and Penn State. It is possible there could be a
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  Speaker 1: five way tie at the end of the regular season
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  Speaker 1: with those five teams all having exactly one Big Ten loss.
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  Speaker 1: I think I've read to the Big Ten tie breakers, Tony.
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  Speaker 1: I think Ohio State would be in decent shape there
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  Speaker 1: because they would have wins over two of those other teams.
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  Speaker 1: But oh boy, you know, we've talked about some of
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  Speaker 1: the benefits of conference expansion and more of these great games.
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  Speaker 3: A five way tie.
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  Speaker 1: For two spots in the Big Ten Championship game, that's
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  Speaker 1: going to be quite a mess if that happens.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, it would be. I still think if Illinois they
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  Speaker 2: will they play Oregon at Oregon three thirty on Saturday,
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  Speaker 2: if they were to win that game, shouldn't shouldn't they
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  Speaker 2: be allowed and they went out, shouldn't they be allowed
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  Speaker 2: to go to the Big Ten Championship game? And of
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  Speaker 2: course Penn State would say, but we beat Illinois and
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  Speaker 2: now here come all of the tie breakers. So no
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  Speaker 2: easy answer time. I think the best answer is about
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  Speaker 2: three years, four years down the road, Big Ten semi
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  Speaker 2: Final championship, Big Ten Semifinal game and a championship game
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  Speaker 2: that way turned the last week into a random everybody
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  Speaker 2: gets to play somebody type of thing like they did
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  Speaker 2: in the COVID year. I wouldn't be shocked if that's
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  Speaker 2: one thing that eventually happens. But this is we talked
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  Speaker 2: about this all you know, all of these teams can
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  Speaker 2: do this and it never ends up happening. Now, this
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  Speaker 2: is a brand new scenario. But this is also the
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  Speaker 2: point in the season where we're like in the past,
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  Speaker 2: we'd be like, well, there's seven teams right now that
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  Speaker 2: could end up undefeated, and then by the end of
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  Speaker 2: the season they're down to two. But there are gonna
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  Speaker 2: be some situations where they're gonna be an awful lot
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  Speaker 2: of one and two loss teams and a lot of
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  Speaker 2: two loss teams. I think this season that the Committee
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  Speaker 2: is really going to have a difficult time parsing through
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  Speaker 2: which two losses are better and which wins if you
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  Speaker 2: have any, because I also think you've got to start
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  Speaker 2: valuing wins more as well, and you can't just give
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  Speaker 2: people credit for good losses. They need to have some
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  Speaker 2: good wins in there too.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, that's going to be very interesting to hear how
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  Speaker 1: the committee stress talking about that. The first Tuesday night
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  Speaker 1: of November. Nothing else going on nationally that night, Tony
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  Speaker 1: just the first release of the college football rankings. Can
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  Speaker 1: be very interesting to hear how the committee is talking
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  Speaker 1: about the ranking good wins versus good losses, versus strength
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  Speaker 1: of schedule versus shiny records. We know how they've talked
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  Speaker 1: about it in the past. Be interesting to see how
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  Speaker 1: they talk about it moving forward. I'm not expecting a
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  Speaker 1: five way Big ten tie, but a three way Big
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  Speaker 1: ten tie that's a real possibility.
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  Speaker 3: Feels like, so.
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  Speaker 1: That's the Big Ten onto the ACC. This is another
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  Speaker 1: one where unbeaten Miami, Yeah, sure, we could have seen
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  Speaker 1: that at this point in the season, unbeaten pit less predictable,
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  Speaker 1: and then Clemson, SMU, Duke and Syracuse all one loss
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  Speaker 1: teams right now, this is one where the ACC is
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  Speaker 1: almost certainly not getting more than two teams. But you
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  Speaker 1: could potentially see if Miami runs unbeaten and then they
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  Speaker 1: play Clemson, for example, in the ACC Championship game and
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  Speaker 1: they lose, and you're a twelve to one Miami and
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  Speaker 1: Clemson's your ACC champ being, it feels like the ACC
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  Speaker 1: could steal a second bid.
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  Speaker 3: There.
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  Speaker 1: There were a lot of projections where they only had
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  Speaker 1: one team in in the in the college football playoff field.
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  Speaker 1: If they steal a second one, that makes the conversation
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  Speaker 1: a little more interesting. Around the fourth Big Ten team
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  Speaker 1: or fourth SEC team or whoever is on the on
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  Speaker 1: the bubble.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, you start to squeeze. It's the the bracketbuster type
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  Speaker 2: of things where in basketball, you you all of the
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  Speaker 2: teams on the bubble want the conference favorites to win
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  Speaker 2: their their automatic bids bid leagues because when they don't,
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  Speaker 2: now you've just removed somebody and say, say Miami wins
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  Speaker 2: out and Clemson has two losses, but their losses are
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  Speaker 2: too undefeated Miami and Georgia. Is that really enough to
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  Speaker 2: knock them out? But then it just goes back to
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  Speaker 2: what I said, what are Clemson's good wins? And when
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  Speaker 2: you're playing you know, I guess and the ACC as
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  Speaker 2: it stands right now, if they can get some wins
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  Speaker 2: over these one and one loss teams or you know,
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  Speaker 2: however many they played, that would be good. But how
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  Speaker 2: many of these teams do you expect to stick at
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  Speaker 2: two losses for the ACC as well? And I think
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  Speaker 2: that becomes an issue where they're not all that good.
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  Speaker 2: And when you see SMU with one loss and pit
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  Speaker 2: with with no losses. You're talking about the twenty second
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  Speaker 2: and the nineteenth rank team in a nation, respectively, So
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  Speaker 2: not a lot of expectations there, and so you would
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  Speaker 2: expect a couple of losses to come into play. But Clemson,
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  Speaker 2: I think that's Clemson watching Miami and watching the way
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  Speaker 2: that cam Ward is sometimes Superman sometimes I don't know,
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  Speaker 2: Superman doesn't have a sidekick, So I'll say sometimes Robin,
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  Speaker 2: not even a good Robin, like one of the kids
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  Speaker 2: like Jan and Zeina or whatever from the super Friends,
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  Speaker 2: you know, one of these bumbling fools that he can
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  Speaker 2: be at times. Can Clemson capitalize on those instances and
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  Speaker 2: avoid doing those things themselves? But yeah, anybody watching this
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  Speaker 2: that isn't an ACC fan, you kind of as much
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  Speaker 2: as Ohio State fans hate Miami, you might just want
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  Speaker 2: Miami to win out right now.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, it feels like you might get into that situation.
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  Speaker 1: Now Clemson does play Pitt the rest of their schedule,
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  Speaker 1: that would really be their only remotely signature win this season.
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  Speaker 1: You can remember they also they didn't just lose close
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  Speaker 1: to Georgia. They got killed by Georgia week one thirty
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  Speaker 1: four to three. So it's they do not play Syracuse,
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  Speaker 1: they do not play SMU, they do not play Duke
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  Speaker 1: so and they do not play Miami. So really, Pitt
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  Speaker 1: is the only team in that cluster of teams that
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  Speaker 1: Clemson could potentially have a little bit of a scalp
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  Speaker 1: on the wall. And you know, there's no guarantee. Just
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  Speaker 1: because Pitt's unbeaten right now, does not mean Pitt is
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  Speaker 1: going to finish this regular season with zero or one losses.
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  Speaker 1: Because they have to go play Sarahcuse this Thursday night.
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  Speaker 1: They have to They play at SMU next week, then
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  Speaker 1: they play Clemson, they play at Louisville. It feels like
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  Speaker 1: Pitt might finish, pit might finish with three losses and
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  Speaker 1: make that sort of devalue that potential Clemson win. There
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  Speaker 1: last Power Four conference, we got to talk about the
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  Speaker 1: Big Twelve. Talk about this on last night show BYU
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  Speaker 1: was picked two, finished thirteenth in the nation, thirteenth in
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  Speaker 1: the Big Twelve during the preseason media polls. They were
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  Speaker 1: as of last night, thirteenth in the nation, still unbeaten,
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  Speaker 1: Iowa State still unbeaten, Kansas State just one loss, but
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  Speaker 1: only those three teams b YU and Iowa State both
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  Speaker 1: kind of got to scare this weekend BYU against Oklahoma State,
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  Speaker 1: Iowa State against UCF. Kansas State already has one loss.
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  Speaker 1: That feels like a league where someone's going to get
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  Speaker 1: got at some point that it feels like the Big
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  Speaker 1: Twelve is going to get one team in only one
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  Speaker 1: team in very unlikely you're going to get two just
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  Speaker 1: because they don't. They're not getting a ton of respect
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  Speaker 1: right now. They're both unbeaten, but not getting a ton
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  Speaker 1: of respect.
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  Speaker 3: In the AP poles.
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  Speaker 1: Not a lot of great signature wins. Iowa losing to
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  Speaker 1: Michigan State over the weekend probably did not help Iowa
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  Speaker 1: State's case in terms of equality out of conference win.
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  Speaker 1: The Big Twelve feels like one that is, barring something
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  Speaker 1: really weird, very likely to be a one bid conference,
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  Speaker 1: which will help those bubble teams in the other leagues.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, I'm just looking like, how do you how do
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  Speaker 2: they get two bids? Is it just BYU and Iowa
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  Speaker 2: State staying undefeated and both teams getting to go because
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  Speaker 2: they don't play in the regular season they would play
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  Speaker 2: in the Big Twelve championship game? Would they would? The
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  Speaker 2: committee take both of those teams. Kansas State finishes the season.
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  Speaker 2: They are six and one right now. They finished the
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  Speaker 2: season at Iowa State, So just watch out for the
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  Speaker 2: Big twelve reps on that one. If if Iowa State
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  Speaker 2: is undefeated at that point. I'm not saying, I'm just saying,
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  Speaker 2: keep an eye on that one. But yeah, really, to me,
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  Speaker 2: it has any Big twelve one loss team done enough
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  Speaker 2: if it's not one of the two teams in the
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  Speaker 2: championship game, and even then, you know, have they done enough?
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  Speaker 2: Can the committee take a two loss SEC or Big
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  Speaker 2: ten team over a one loss Big twelve team? Yes?
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  Speaker 2: How will they justify it however they want? Would it
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  Speaker 2: look great? Depends on the wins that each of those
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  Speaker 2: all of those teams have had.
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  Speaker 1: And Kansas State, in case you're running, who their loss was.
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  Speaker 1: It was thirty eight to nine at BYU earlier in
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  Speaker 1: the year. So that's a very easy one for the
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  Speaker 1: committee to say they were non competitive in that game
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  Speaker 1: and justify hey, booting them to the curb. We're not
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  Speaker 1: even getting into the group of five teams. Group of
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  Speaker 1: five is going to get one team in Army Navy undefeated.
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  Speaker 1: That could be a fascinating situation u NLV Boise State
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  Speaker 1: playing this week that could be a potential college football
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  Speaker 1: playoff playout game, you know, elimination game for whoever loses
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  Speaker 1: that one.
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  Speaker 3: It is, Man, this is going to be a.
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  Speaker 1: Banger of a last month, month and a half of
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  Speaker 1: the college football regular season as we head into the
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  Speaker 1: first year of the twelve college football playoff. Cannot wait.
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  Speaker 1: It gonna be a lot of excitement. One loss no
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  Speaker 1: longer kills your season, two losses might no longer kill
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  Speaker 1: your season, and somehow the games remain exciting.
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  Speaker 3: It's the darknest thing. Well, we will be.
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  Speaker 1: There for all of those games, Tony, Kevin and I
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