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Leon Black And His Epstein Related Congressional Transcript (Part 1) (7/19/26) · The Vault: The Epstein Files

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Speaker 1: What's up, everyone, and welcome to another episode of the
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Speaker 1: Epstein Chronicles. On Friday, June twenty six, Leon Black stormed
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Speaker 1: out of a meeting with Congress. So in this episode,
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Speaker 1: we're going to start taking a look at the partial
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Speaker 1: transcript that was recorded before he stormed out. So with
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Speaker 1: that said, let's dive right in, Miss Brignac. This is
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Speaker 1: a transcribed interview of mister Leon Black conducted by the
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Speaker 1: House Committee on Oversight and Government Reform under the authority
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Speaker 1: granted to it pursue into House Rule ten. Accordingly, House
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Speaker 1: Rule ten grants, the Committee brought jurisdiction for the Committee
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Speaker 1: to conduct investigations of any matter at any time. This
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Speaker 1: interview was requested by Chairman James Comer as part of
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Speaker 1: the Committee's investigation into the circumstances and subsequent investigations into
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Speaker 1: the crimes of Jeffrey Epstein and Glenn Maxwell, the operation
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Speaker 1: of sex trafficking rings and ways for the federal government
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Speaker 1: to effectively combat them, the ways in which mister Epstein
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Speaker 1: and miss Maxwell sought to curry favor and exercise influence
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Speaker 1: to protect their legal activity, and potential violations of ethnic
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Speaker 1: rules related to elected officials. Can the witness, please state
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Speaker 1: his name and spell his name for the record. Leon
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Speaker 1: Black spells his name. Miss Brignac, thank you. I want
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Speaker 1: to thank mister Black for appearing here today. My name
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Speaker 1: is Brittany Brignac, and I'm a senior council for Chairman
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Speaker 1: James Comer. Under the Committee on Oversight and Government Reforms rules,
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Speaker 1: you're allowed to have council present to advise you during
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Speaker 1: this interview. Do you have counsel representing you in a
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Speaker 1: personal capacity present with you today, mister Black, Yes, I do,
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Speaker 1: Miss Brignac. Will all councils please identify themselves for the record.
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Speaker 1: Susan Estrich representing mister Black, Aaron Cutler representing mister Black
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Speaker 1: from Hogan Levelle's mister Spievak, Peter Spievac representing mister Black,
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Speaker 1: Miss Brignac for the record. Starting with the majority staff,
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Speaker 1: can the additional staff members please introduce themselves with their name,
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Speaker 1: title and affiliation. All right, we're gonna skip all of that,
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Speaker 1: and we're gonna move to the point where Miss Brignac
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Speaker 1: asks him if he understands everything that she was saying. Question,
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Speaker 1: Miss Brignac, there's a court reporter taking down everything I say.
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Speaker 1: And everything you say to make a written record of
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Speaker 1: the interview. For the record to be clear, please wait
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Speaker 1: until the staff a questioning you finishes each question before
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Speaker 1: you begin to your answer, and the staffer will wait
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Speaker 1: until you finish your response before proceeding to the next question. Further,
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Speaker 1: to ensure the court reporter can properly record this interview,
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Speaker 1: please speak clearly, concisely, and slowly. Also, the court reporter
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Speaker 1: cannot record nonverbal answers, such as nodding or shaking your head,
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Speaker 1: so it's important that you answer each question with an
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Speaker 1: audible verbal answer. Exhibits may be entered into the record.
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Speaker 1: Majority exhibits will be identified numerically, minority exhibit will be
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Speaker 1: identified alphabetically. Do you understand, mister Black, I do, Miss Brignac.
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Speaker 1: We want you to answer our questions in the most
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Speaker 1: complete and truthful manner possible, so we'll take our time.
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Speaker 1: If you have any questions or do not fully understand
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Speaker 1: the question, please let us know. We will attempt to clarify,
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Speaker 1: add context to it, or rephrase our questions. If we
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Speaker 1: ask about specific conversations or events in the past and
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Speaker 1: you're unable to recall the exact words or details, You
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Speaker 1: should testify to the substance of the conversation or events
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Speaker 1: to the best of your recollection. If you only recall
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Speaker 1: a part of the conversation or event, you should give
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Speaker 1: us your best recollection of those events or parts of
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Speaker 1: conversations that you do recall. Do you understand, mister Black,
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Speaker 1: I do, Miss Brignac. Although you are here voluntarily, you're
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Speaker 1: acquired by law pursuant to Title eighteen of the US Code,
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Speaker 1: Section one zero zero one to answer questions from Congress truthfully.
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Speaker 1: This also applies to questions posed by Congressional staff in interview.
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Speaker 1: Do you understand, mister Black, I do, Miss Brignac. If
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Speaker 1: at any time you knowingly make false statements, you can
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Speaker 1: be subject to criminal prosecution. Do you understand, mister Black,
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Speaker 1: I do, Miss Brignac. This includes both knowingly providing false testimony,
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Speaker 1: but also stating that you do not recall or remember
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Speaker 1: something when in fact that you do. Do you understand,
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Speaker 1: mister Black yes, Miss Brignac. Furthermore, you cannot tell half
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Speaker 1: truths or exclude information necessary to make statements accurate. You're
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Speaker 1: required to provide all information that would make your response truthful.
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Speaker 1: A deliberate failure to disclose information can constitute a false statement.
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Speaker 1: Do you understand, mister Black, I do, Miss Brignac. Is
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Speaker 1: there any reason you're unable to provide truthful testimony in
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Speaker 1: today's interview, mister Black, No, Miss Brignac. Please note that
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Speaker 1: if you wish to assert a privilege over any statement today,
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Speaker 1: that assertion must comply with the rules of the Committee
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Speaker 1: on Oversight and Government Reform, so sue into that committee.
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Speaker 1: Rule sixteen C one states for the Chair to consider
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Speaker 1: assertions of privilege over testimony, your statements witnesses or entities
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Speaker 1: must clearly state the specific privilege being asserted and the
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Speaker 1: reason for the assertion on or before the scheduled date
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Speaker 1: of testimony or appearance. Do you understand, mister Black, I'm sorry.
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Speaker 1: Can you repeat the last clause? Brignac? Yes. Sixteen SEE
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Speaker 1: one states for the Chair to consider assertions of privilege
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Speaker 1: over testimony, your statements witnesses or entities must clearly state
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Speaker 1: the specific privilege being asserted and the reason for the
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Speaker 1: assertion honor before the scheduled date of testimony or appearance.
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Speaker 1: Do you understand, mister Black, Yes, Miss Brignac. Ordinarily, we
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Speaker 1: take a five minute break at the end of each
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Speaker 1: hour of questioning, but if you need longer or a
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Speaker 1: break before that, please let us know and we'll be
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Speaker 1: happy to accommodate. However, to the extent that there is
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Speaker 1: a pending question, we would ask that you finish answering
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Speaker 1: the question before we take a break. Do you understand,
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Speaker 1: mister Black, I do, Miss Brignac, Do you have any
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Speaker 1: other questions before we begin? Mister Black, The only question
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Speaker 1: I have is the questions that are addressed to me
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Speaker 1: will only be by the people at the table, or
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Speaker 1: not everybody here. I'm a little hard of hearing. That's
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Speaker 1: only so if people can speak up. I have hearing aids,
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Speaker 1: Miss Brignac. Absolutely, mister Black, thank you. Miss Brignac, will
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Speaker 1: do our best to accommodate that. Thank you, mister Black.
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Speaker 1: Thank you. Okay, and now mister Grant Johnson, and we've
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Speaker 1: had a couple of additional members join us. Could they
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Speaker 1: please introduce themselves for the record. Melanie Stansbury, New Mexico,
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Speaker 1: Dave min California. Miss Brignac, I understand, mister Black. You
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Speaker 1: have an opening statement that you'd like to read into
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Speaker 1: the record. You can do so now, mister Black, thank
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Speaker 1: you very much Chairman, Comer, ranking member GARCIA, committee members,
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Speaker 1: and Committee staff. I come here today voluntarily to set
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Speaker 1: the record straight about my relationship with Jeffrey Epstein, and
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Speaker 1: in particular why I paid him the money that I did.
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Speaker 1: I knew Epstein for eighteen years before I paid him
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Speaker 1: a dime. When I first met Epstein in the mid nineties,
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Speaker 1: he was on the board of Rockefeller University, the greatest
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Speaker 1: scientific research institution in the world, and also on the
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Speaker 1: boards of the Council on Foreign Relations and the Trilateral Commission.
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Speaker 1: His network included respected luminaries such as David Rockefeller, Alhud Barrock,
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Speaker 1: who had been Prime Minister of Israel, Larry Summers, George Mitchell,
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Speaker 1: Bill Richardson, and As Greenberg. By the time I first
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Speaker 1: paid Epstein in twenty thirteen, I knew him to possess
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Speaker 1: an unrivaled network of relationships with individuals in finance, academia, science, politics,
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Speaker 1: and more, including Deepak Chopra, Tom Barrock, Tom Pritzker, Reed Hoffman,
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Speaker 1: Kathy Rumler, who had been President Obama's personal attorney, Elon Musk,
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Speaker 1: ser Ge Brynn Bill Gates, President Bill Clinton, Peter Thiel,
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Speaker 1: Steve Bannon, R. Beyond the rothschild Eric Handell, who's a
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Speaker 1: Nobel Prize winner, Leon Botstein who's the head of Bard College,
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Speaker 1: and numerous eminent scientists as well with many financial institutions.
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Speaker 1: I also knew him to possess a remarkable acumen about tax, insurance,
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Speaker 1: and trust and estate matters. I paid Epstein for his
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Speaker 1: bona fide advice on these matters, in addition to helping
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Speaker 1: to manage and improve the operation of my nascent family office.
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Speaker 1: With the benefit of hindsight, I now know, so does
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Speaker 1: the world, that Epstein engaged in horrific, sordid activities. I
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Speaker 1: feel terrible for Epstein's victims. I want to state clearly
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Speaker 1: that I did not know about his nefarious activity until
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Speaker 1: Epstein was charged with trafficking in July of twenty nineteen.
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Speaker 1: I did know that Epstein pleaded guilty in June of
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Speaker 1: two thousand and eight to stay charges relating to prostitution
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Speaker 1: involving a minor. Epstein had told me that it was
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Speaker 1: an isolated incident resulting from a fake id. Years after
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Speaker 1: his conviction, I gave Epstein a second chance, as did
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Speaker 1: many others. I wish I had not. With that context,
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Speaker 1: let me state unequivocally that I have never abused a woman.
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Speaker 1: I have never been with an underage woman. I have
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Speaker 1: never engaged in sex trafficking. I have never paid Epstein
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Speaker 1: for access to women. I was never black veiled by Epstein.
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Speaker 1: I was not involved with, and had no knowledge of,
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Speaker 1: any of Epstein's heinous conduct. My background. I'm almost seventy
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Speaker 1: five years old. I'm a husband, a father, and a grandfather.
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Speaker 1: I am proudly Jewish. My father was a rabbi before
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Speaker 1: becoming a businessman. My mother was a school teacher and
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Speaker 1: also an artist. My sister was a school teacher. From
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Speaker 1: my family, I found much inspiration and resilience. There are
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Speaker 1: things that I've shared with my children and now my grandchildren.
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Speaker 1: I'm also a business builder, an investor, an art connoisseur,
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Speaker 1: and a philanthropist. I'm a self made businessman who's expl
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Speaker 1: sperienced much good fortune, and I have personally paid billions
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Speaker 1: of dollars in taxes on the federal, state and local level.
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Speaker 1: When the first news accounts called out millions I had
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Speaker 1: paid to Epstein, I was chairman and CEO of Apollo
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Speaker 1: Global Management, which I had founded and built for thirty
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Speaker 1: years I'm proud of the work that I did with
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Speaker 1: many others at Apollo to invest in support companies in
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Speaker 1: America and the world. I helped to create numerous businesses
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Speaker 1: that are responsible for providing hundreds of thousands of good,
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Speaker 1: well paying jobs that American families depend on to pay
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Speaker 1: their bills and realize their dreams. Apollo also invested hundreds
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Speaker 1: of billions of dollars in the American economy, including billions
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Speaker 1: of dollars for labor union pension funds, which returned billions
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Speaker 1: of dollars to fund the retirements for millions of workers.
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Speaker 1: The reason that I'm here today is because of my
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Speaker 1: unfortunate connections to Epstein, a man we all know now
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Speaker 1: to be reprehensible. I severed my connection to de abstoe
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Speaker 1: Stein in twenty eighteen after more than a year of
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Speaker 1: increasing turmoil in our professional agreements. After Epstein's arrest in
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Speaker 1: twenty nineteen, we all came to know more about the
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Speaker 1: demonic life that he was leading. It was a life
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Speaker 1: I knew nothing about. In twenty twenty, I asked for
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Speaker 1: and fully cooperated with an independent investigation into my relationship
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Speaker 1: with Epstein because I had nothing to hide. Well, respected
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Speaker 1: former prosecutors from the Southern District of New York who
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Speaker 1: were at the Decorate Law Firm, spent three months examining
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Speaker 1: sixty thousand documents in interviewing over twenty thousand people. They
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Speaker 1: had no limitations, no restrictions, and full access to all
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Speaker 1: financial records and correspondence. There are questions on behalf of
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Speaker 1: an independent committee of Apollo's board of directors answerable to
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Speaker 1: the shareholders and limited partners of Apollo were straightforward. How
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Speaker 1: much should I pay Epstein? What did Epstein do on
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Speaker 1: my behalf? Did he work for Apollo at my behest?
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Speaker 1: Did I know about the behavior that led to Epstein's
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Speaker 1: arrest in twenty nineteen. The Decert Law Firm issued a
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Speaker 1: report in twenty twenty one that answered each of these questions.
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Speaker 1: The report was filed by Apollo as a public securities disclosure.
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Speaker 1: The fact of the matter is that I am the
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Speaker 1: only person in Epstein's orbit, including all the individuals who
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Speaker 1: have been called to appear before this committee, who have
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Speaker 1: been the subject of an independent investigation made at my request,
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Speaker 1: wherein the results were made public. The Decer report concluded
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Speaker 1: that I had paid Epstein one hundred and fifty eight
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Speaker 1: million dollars, and Deckert examined the services Epstein rendered and
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Speaker 1: determined that Epstein performed highly valuable and legitimate tax and
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Speaker 1: estate planning services for my family office, that the tax
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Speaker 1: work was responsible for billions of dollars in savings, and
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Speaker 1: that all of Epstein's work had been vetted by reputable
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Speaker 1: law and accounting firms. Deckert also found that Apollo never
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Speaker 1: retained or did business with Epstein. The Decert report also
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Speaker 1: determined that I had no awareness of or involvement in
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Speaker 1: any of Epstein's criminal activities. The rank speculation about me
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Speaker 1: was proven to be just that rank speculation. As I
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Speaker 1: said earlier, I knew Epstein. I knew about his plea deal,
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Speaker 1: which appeared to me and most other observers, and consistent
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Speaker 1: with a relative lenient sentence, to have involved an isolated incident.
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Speaker 1: Epstein appeared to me and so many others to have
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Speaker 1: redeemed himself. He served on several prestigious boards, hobnobbed with
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Speaker 1: leading people in academia, the arts, business executives, and numerous
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Speaker 1: world leaders. And Epstein solved a massive estate problem for
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Speaker 1: me that none of the experts and lawyers I consulted
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Speaker 1: with had been able to solve it was a problem
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Speaker 1: that would have destroyed enormous value for my family and
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Speaker 1: also in Apollo, the company I had founded. Epstein also
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Speaker 1: told me that the fees I was paying him were
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Speaker 1: tax deductible sixty cent on the dollar, which I only
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Speaker 1: learned years later was not true. What I believe to
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Speaker 1: be ninety five million of net fees paid to him
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Speaker 1: over five years was actually one hundred and fifty eight million.
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Speaker 1: But at the time I was led to believe by
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Speaker 1: Epstein that I was paying sixty cents on the dollar.
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Speaker 1: That assurance was subsequently proved to be false. With hindsight,
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Speaker 1: I now see that Epstein exaggerated and bellish, manipulated and
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Speaker 1: outright lied prolifically and without concern for me or my family.
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Speaker 1: And now I see that as deceit was not limited
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Speaker 1: to me, but also extended to numerous highly sophisticated individuals.
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Speaker 1: Epstein took credit for other people's ideas. He falsely claimed
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Speaker 1: to have been involved in decisions and my decisions about investments.
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Speaker 1: He asserted that he had influence over me. He said
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Speaker 1: false and vicious things about my wife and children. He
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Speaker 1: duped and deceived, and he did so repeatedly. In short,
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Speaker 1: with the Epstein files release, I now appreciate the full
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Speaker 1: extent to which Epstein was a despicable individual and an
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Speaker 1: invertinate liar. This was the side of him I did
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Speaker 1: not know. I knew Jekyl, I didn't know Hyde. Ultimately,
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Speaker 1: in twenty eighteen, I fired Epstein after growing tired of
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Speaker 1: his relentless pursuit of more and more money from me
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Speaker 1: for a professional service, his mistruths and misrepresentations regarding the
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Speaker 1: sixty cent fee payments, and his failure to repay most
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Speaker 1: of the thirty million dollars demanded loan that I had
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Speaker 1: made of him. I would have expected that the conclusion
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Speaker 1: in the Decorate report would have definitively answered the questions
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Speaker 1: about my involvement with Jeffrey Epstein, but that has not
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Speaker 1: been the case, and the release of the Justice Department
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Speaker 1: files has only added fuel to the burning conspiracies and
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Speaker 1: falsities that are at the core of speculation about Epstein.
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Speaker 1: I understand that, and I understand why people are upset,
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Speaker 1: But I don't understand why people, including members of this committee,
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Speaker 1: would accept baseless speculation about me with regard to the
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Speaker 1: facts and spend such ugly and vicious narratives that are
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Speaker 1: demonstrably false. I've been very publicly sued three times by
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Speaker 1: a single law firm by three women claiming ties to
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Speaker 1: Epstein and making horrific allegations about me. This law firm,
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Speaker 1: the Whigdor Law Firm, brought these allegations in Manhattan to
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Speaker 1: the DA and the Department of Justice. I'm told that
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Speaker 1: there are intake forms that appear in the Justice Department
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Speaker 1: files with heinous, fabricated allegations generated by this firm about me.
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Speaker 1: The media race to cover these sensational allegations, taking them
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Speaker 1: at faith value, without conducting any investigation or undertaking even
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Speaker 1: minimal diligence. As a result of this torn of lies
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Speaker 1: and misrepresentations, I have received death threats in my family.
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Speaker 1: Now feels unsafe for the first time in my life.
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Speaker 1: I've had to deploy a bodyguard. But those lawsuits were
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Speaker 1: demonstrably baseless and those allegations were entirely fabricated. Of the
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Speaker 1: three lawsuits that were filed, the first two have been
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Speaker 1: dismissed with prejudice that means those lawsuits can never be
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Speaker 1: brought again. As the first plan never met Epstein, and
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Speaker 1: her claims were wholly without merit. I never even met
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Speaker 1: the second plaintiff in the third lawsuit, A Democratic federal
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Speaker 1: district judge appointed by President Biden last month issued a
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Speaker 1: remarkable seventy six page ruling sanctioning the plaintiff, the lawyer,
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Speaker 1: and the law firm in question for outright lying and
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Speaker 1: submitting false and fraudulent evidence. The plaintiff in that case
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Speaker 1: had testified under oath incredibly that she gave birth to
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Speaker 1: four of Epstein's children, three of whom were kidnapped at birth.
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Speaker 1: She fabricated a journal where she made a fantastical claim
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Speaker 1: that she was raped by fifty different men when she
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Speaker 1: was in high school, including a former president and multiple
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Speaker 1: cabinet members. She claimed to be sixteen year old autistic
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Speaker 1: woman with mosaic Down syndrome. Meanwhile, the law firm in
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Speaker 1: question was expressly warned about filing that she was a
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Speaker 1: fraud by class Council, but they still proceeded to rely
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Speaker 1: on her claims, knowing that they were entirely manufactured. Another
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Speaker 1: federal judge has found on the record that the plaintiff
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Speaker 1: is not credible. To be clear, I categorically deny the
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Speaker 1: baseless and it fabricated allegations in that case and in
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Speaker 1: the other two lawsuits that were filed against me and
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Speaker 1: that have now been dismissed. Today, one of the lawyers
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Speaker 1: at that firm who spearheaded this malicious campaign to destroy
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Speaker 1: me has been retired in quotes, and the firm has
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Speaker 1: been sanctioned. But the media coverage of the dismissals has
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Speaker 1: been dwarfed by the initial baseless and salacious coverage. Meanwhile,
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Speaker 1: extraordinary damage has been done to me and my family.
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Speaker 1: In conclusion, I wish I never met Epstein. I regret
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Speaker 1: ever doing business with them, my association with them, the
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Speaker 1: frivolous but destructive litigation, the endless rumor mill have created
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Speaker 1: a toxic environment for my wife and family, which I
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Speaker 1: deeply regret. I will not add to that toxic environment today.
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Speaker 1: I'm here voluntarily to answer questions about the work that
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Speaker 1: Epstein did for me and for the services for which
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Speaker 1: I paid them. I'm not here to answer questions about
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Speaker 1: my personal life, which would be hurtful to my wife, children,
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Speaker 1: and family. And I will not speak about the personal
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Speaker 1: lives of adult women who have chosen and do not
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Speaker 1: deserve to be connected by me or anyone else to Epstein.
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Speaker 1: This is an opportunity for me and for my family
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Speaker 1: to move forward with the productive and beneficial work that
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Speaker 1: should be consuming us. Our commitment to advance worthy causes
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Speaker 1: for society. We have made more than half a billion
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Speaker 1: dollars in philanthropic gifts in several key areas, including funding
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Speaker 1: health research, highlighted by the Melanoma Research Alliance, of which
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Speaker 1: we are the founders and largest donors. The MRA has
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Speaker 1: been at the vanguard of the immunotherapy revolution that has
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Speaker 1: energized the entire field of oncology and created a new
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Speaker 1: paradigm for how over thirty cancers and millions of patients
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Speaker 1: are treated. We also support organizations that help women in need.
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Speaker 1: We support veterans and a program for loan forgiveness for
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Speaker 1: mental health care workers in New York York City Public
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Speaker 1: Health System. Also of importance to us is our support
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Speaker 1: for Jewish causes and the effort to end the scourge
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Speaker 1: of anti Semitism spreading across the globe, and we continue
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Speaker 1: to be active in giving support to academia and the arts.
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Speaker 1: I am a proud American. We live in a great
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Speaker 1: country where all things are possible. I'm hopeful that the
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Speaker 1: committee will find my voluntary testimony useful. Thank you. With
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Speaker 1: that background, I'm glad to take your questions. All right, everybody,
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Speaker 1: We're going to wrap up right there, and in the
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