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Bullets Over Brooklyn: The West Indian Day Parade · NYPD Through The Looking Glass

• 0:00
  SPEAKER_00: Hi everyone, it's Tuesday.
• 0:02
  SPEAKER_00: I wanted to go over um what happened at Crown Heights yesterday with the West Indian Day Parade.
• 0:08
  SPEAKER_00: That's why I named today's uh podcast episode Bullets Over Brooklyn.
• 0:11
  SPEAKER_00: I got a lot to go over, but I'm gonna start with that.
• 0:14
  SPEAKER_00: And I got this from the New York Post, which is usually the most fair and accurate.
• 0:18
  SPEAKER_00: At least eight people were wounded in shootings and stabbings around the root of the notoriously violent West Indian Day Parade in Brooklyn on Monday, including a costumed woman who took a bullet to the leg.
• 0:29
  SPEAKER_00: The injured 37-year-old woman dressed in an orange and gold feathered outfit was one of three people shot during the mayhem.
• 0:36
  SPEAKER_00: Another three men were stabbed and two slashed during the parade's early morning Joe Vert, Jovere, pre-festivities.
• 0:43
  SPEAKER_00: Bullets flew around 4 p.m.
• 0:45
  SPEAKER_00: around 800 Nostrum Avenue in the Crown Heights section near the parade route when a 24-year-old man was shot in the ass, according to sources.
• 0:53
  SPEAKER_00: The injured man was taken to Kings County Hospital in stable condition.
• 0:56
  SPEAKER_00: He's going to be fine.
• 0:57
  SPEAKER_00: Another man and woman were then shot in the intersection of Eastern Parkway and Kingston Avenue along the route a little after 4 p.m.
• 1:04
  SPEAKER_00: The woman was seen with a tourniquet wrapped around her foot as she was sitting on the pavement, talking to cops.
• 1:10
  SPEAKER_00: Another man wounded in the same shooting, a 19-year-old was grazed in both of his legs, according to law enforcement sources.
• 1:17
  SPEAKER_00: The pair were transported to Kings County Hospital in stable condition.
• 1:20
  SPEAKER_00: Kings County Hospital is probably one of the best trauma centers in the country for gunshot wounds because they see so many.
• 1:27
  SPEAKER_00: Cops are still looking for the shooter in the second blasting.
• 1:30
  SPEAKER_00: Then a 32-year-old man and a 23-year-old victim was stabbed in the neck while a 36-year-old was stabbed in the face, and a 20-year-old was slashed in the chin near Carroll and Utica Avenue near the parade route about 5 48 AM.
• 1:44
  SPEAKER_00: So that means they're out entirely too late.
• 1:47
  SPEAKER_00: EMS responded and rushed to three to Kings County Hospital where the 32-year-old man was initially listed in critical condition.
• 1:53
  SPEAKER_00: No arrests have been made.
• 1:55
  SPEAKER_00: Now you would think that that's enough, but wait, there's more.
• 1:59
  SPEAKER_00: Then a 25-year-old man was slashed in the face a few minutes later about 6 a.m.
• 2:03
  SPEAKER_00: around Eastern Parkway in Nostrin, the same block.
• 2:06
  SPEAKER_00: Cops said he was taken by private means to Interfaith Medical Center in stable condition.
• 2:10
  SPEAKER_00: No arrests have been made in that case either.
• 2:13
  SPEAKER_00: The violence happened just blocks from the Joe Ver Festival, which began at 6 a.m.
• 2:17
  SPEAKER_00: and ran into the parade, kicked off at 11 a.m.
• 2:21
  SPEAKER_00: That's not accurate.
• 2:21
  SPEAKER_00: That Joe Verfestival, first of all, it doesn't start at 6 a.m.
• 2:25
  SPEAKER_00: It starts the night before it goes all the way through.
• 2:28
  SPEAKER_00: It's like a 48-hour thing.
• 2:30
  SPEAKER_00: Police said the parade was promptly shut down at 5 30 p.m.
• 2:33
  SPEAKER_00: A decision made after six people were shot during last year's festivities.
• 2:37
  SPEAKER_00: So for those, for those of you keeping score at home, that's four shot and four knifed.
• 2:42
  SPEAKER_00: The West Indian Day Parade has been a thorn in the side for the City of New York and the NYPD for decades.
• 2:48
  SPEAKER_00: When I was in the police academy in 1987, they warned us about it.
• 2:52
  SPEAKER_00: I'm like, what are they even talking about?
• 2:54
  SPEAKER_00: And then you go down there and you're like, oh.
• 2:56
  SPEAKER_00: And you hear all these crazy stories, and then when you get down there to really experience it.
• 3:02
  SPEAKER_00: So you're usually given the no coming from the Bronx.
• 3:05
  SPEAKER_00: I mean, Brooklyn guys have a different experience, but coming from the Bronx, they're going to give you that notification at the last minute because they don't want guys going sick or making a rest or coming up with some excuse to bail out of it.
• 3:18
  SPEAKER_00: I always went in the morning.
• 3:20
  SPEAKER_00: So you would usually get to the precinct about 9 a.m.
• 3:23
  SPEAKER_00: in the Bronx, and they would want you down there by 11 or noon.
• 3:26
  SPEAKER_00: And a bunch of guys would, you know, we'd throw on our uniforms, head down there.
• 3:31
  SPEAKER_00: You don't know Brooklyn, so you got to find a parking space.
• 3:33
  SPEAKER_00: And all the precincts, you know, you got the precinct cops that have their parking spots, and everyone else coming from all these different boroughs.
• 3:39
  SPEAKER_00: So parking's a nightmare.
• 3:41
  SPEAKER_00: And it's in a shitty neighborhood.
• 3:42
  SPEAKER_00: Anywhere along that parade route is a shitty neighborhood.
• 3:45
  SPEAKER_00: And it covers multiple precincts.
• 3:47
  SPEAKER_00: You find your parking spot, you report to a corner, supervisors line you up in groups of eight.
• 3:54
  SPEAKER_00: The sergeants start making headcounts, and you get put on a roster, and then you go out with a sergeant.
• 3:59
  SPEAKER_00: And usually they give you your meal at like 11 a.m., 12 a.m.
• 4:04
  SPEAKER_00: uh 11 in the morning or noon.
• 4:07
  SPEAKER_00: Because after that, once that parade starts, and it's not really a parade, it's it's more of an organized riot.
• 4:14
  SPEAKER_00: And along the parade route, all it really is is you got people in these costumes and they're covered in paint and feathers and all sorts of shit, and they're jumping up and down, yelling and screaming.
• 4:24
  SPEAKER_00: You've got 18 wheelers pulling low boy flatbeds, and on them are like speakers that you would see at a U2 concert, and it's the same beat and the same music the whole day long.
• 4:36
  SPEAKER_00: Boom, ba-ba-boom, ba-ba-boom, ba-ba-boom, boa.
• 4:39
  SPEAKER_00: And they play and they blast like an air horn.
• 4:42
  SPEAKER_00: So it's like you're your hearing is shot.
• 4:45
  SPEAKER_00: There's people yelling and screaming around you, and you got to be careful.
• 4:48
  SPEAKER_00: Sometimes when you get into that crowd or you get too close to the crowd, there's so many people around you that test you and they'll pull at your gun.
• 4:56
  SPEAKER_00: And it it's unnerving because you're in there trying to keep people separated or go in there to make an arrest or render medical aid.
• 5:04
  SPEAKER_00: And the next thing you know, you got some clown hanging off the back of your gun.
• 5:07
  SPEAKER_00: And by the time you turn around, there's 50 people there.
• 5:10
  SPEAKER_00: You don't know who did it.
• 5:11
  SPEAKER_00: And thank God, you know, the way the guns with the 38s and then the nine millimeters, there's a locking system on there that I'm not going to share.
• 5:18
  SPEAKER_00: And they were never, to my knowledge, they were never able to get a gun out of a host.
• 5:22
  SPEAKER_00: I'm sure it's happened.
• 5:24
  SPEAKER_00: And that parade, it it again, it starts with that Jovert festival the night before they say 6 a.m.
• 5:29
  SPEAKER_00: It's not, it goes all night.
• 5:31
  SPEAKER_00: And I remember just getting out there to Brooklyn, you know, nine, 10 o'clock in the morning, and there's people running around.
• 5:37
  SPEAKER_00: It's like a third world country.
• 5:39
  SPEAKER_00: There's people running around with wheelbarrows packed with ice and beer in it, and they're selling it.
• 5:45
  SPEAKER_00: Now, it's funny because the NYPD, I don't know about now, but during my 20 years there, turned a blind eye to this event.
• 5:55
  SPEAKER_00: They didn't want you locking people up for smoking marijuana.
• 5:58
  SPEAKER_00: They didn't want you to stop people for drinking beer open container.
• 6:02
  SPEAKER_00: No, no, no, just leave them alone.
• 6:04
  SPEAKER_00: And it got out of control.
• 6:05
  SPEAKER_00: And I remember working that parade, getting there at 9, 10 in the morning and not going home until 2, 3 o'clock in the morning.
• 6:11
  SPEAKER_00: And you're on your feet the whole day.
• 6:13
  SPEAKER_00: It's one of those parades, a lot of, it's one of those details where you got to wear a bulletproof vest.
• 6:18
  SPEAKER_00: It's just, you know, NYPD cops, you go to different details and you're like, nothing's gonna happen to you.
• 6:22
  SPEAKER_00: You leave your vest in the car and you lock them.
• 6:24
  SPEAKER_00: That's one of those, no, you must wear your vest.
• 6:26
  SPEAKER_00: You're hot, you're exhausted, you're carrying that gun belt.
• 6:29
  SPEAKER_00: You make a lot of overtime with it, I will say that.
• 6:33
  SPEAKER_00: But it's very stressful because the supervisors working these details are part of the problem.
• 6:39
  SPEAKER_00: So anybody above the rank of lieutenant who has aspirations of moving up the food chain in the NYPD, they want to, you know, captains want to be deputy inspectors.
• 6:48
  SPEAKER_00: There's so many supervisors there.
• 6:51
  SPEAKER_00: And the quickest way to get jammed up or get put in the bad boy club is to screw something up at one of these details, specifically the West Indian.
• 7:00
  SPEAKER_00: So these captains, deputy inspectors, chiefs, you name it, they're terrified of a shooting or something going wrong or police brutality.
• 7:08
  SPEAKER_00: So they're on your ass.
• 7:10
  SPEAKER_00: But you're getting told, you're getting mixed messages the whole time.
• 7:13
  SPEAKER_00: A captain will come over to you and go, Detective, you and those guys, move that barrier over here.
• 7:19
  SPEAKER_00: You'll pick the barrier up, you move it up there.
• 7:21
  SPEAKER_00: Move those people away.
• 7:22
  SPEAKER_00: Okay.
• 7:23
  SPEAKER_00: Stand there.
• 7:24
  SPEAKER_00: Five minutes later, a chief will come over.
• 7:26
  SPEAKER_00: What are you doing?
• 7:27
  SPEAKER_00: Put that barrier back.
• 7:28
  SPEAKER_00: Nobody knows what they're doing at these things.
• 7:31
  SPEAKER_00: It's it's a wonder.
• 7:32
  SPEAKER_00: I mean, it sounds like a lot of people got hurt, but considering the amount of people that descend on this thing, people have been killed working this.
• 7:41
  SPEAKER_00: And here's the thing the St.
• 7:43
  SPEAKER_00: Patrick's Day, every ethnic group in New York City wants a day or a parade.
• 7:48
  SPEAKER_00: And I get it.
• 7:49
  SPEAKER_00: The Italians, they got coming up the um the Columbus Day Parade, if that's even still a thing.
• 7:55
  SPEAKER_00: Every St.
• 7:55
  SPEAKER_00: Patrick's Day, the Irish have St.
• 7:57
  SPEAKER_00: Patrick's Day.
• 7:58
  SPEAKER_00: Every ethnic group gets a parade.
• 8:00
  SPEAKER_00: Okay, whatever.
• 8:01
  SPEAKER_00: You want to give them a parade, you give them a parade.
• 8:03
  SPEAKER_00: But I remember early in my career, the St.
• 8:05
  SPEAKER_00: Patrick's Day Parade was a mess.
• 8:07
  SPEAKER_00: You got all these kids that would cut out of high school, they'd get their hands on beer, they would get drunk, they would start fights.
• 8:14
  SPEAKER_00: There were adults there too.
• 8:15
  SPEAKER_00: You'd get some of these guys that, you know, old enough to know better, would get licked up.
• 8:18
  SPEAKER_00: Next thing you know, they're knocking the shit out of each other.
• 8:21
  SPEAKER_00: And I remember, I think I had just gotten an auto crime.
• 8:25
  SPEAKER_00: There was a um, they started cracking down on the St.
• 8:28
  SPEAKER_00: Patrick's Day Parade where you couldn't have beer, you couldn't have open containers, and that calm, that calmed it down quite a bit.
• 8:33
  SPEAKER_00: But then what wound up happening was, I think it was 97, there was actually a kid from my neighborhood, young kid, teenager, I didn't know him, uh, got into a fight with a group of other teens, and he got stomped.
• 8:45
  SPEAKER_00: And I think he was in a coma for a while, and I think he passed.
• 8:48
  SPEAKER_00: I think he died.
• 8:49
  SPEAKER_00: And after that, like they really ratcheted up on the St.
• 8:52
  SPEAKER_00: Patrick's Day parade where they didn't want you drinking blocks from it.
• 8:56
  SPEAKER_00: They wanted you to give out C summonses.
• 8:59
  SPEAKER_00: I think if you caught somebody drinking an open container, they were going through the system, you were doing warrant checks.
• 9:04
  SPEAKER_00: So, what the NYPD will do to calm down the shit on these events, they make they make it where it's not worth people's time.
• 9:10
  SPEAKER_00: If I'm gonna go there and act like an asshole, they're gonna send me to jail, I'm gonna spend the weekend in there.
• 9:16
  SPEAKER_00: So, but the West Indian Day Parade, it's been going on and on and on and on and on.
• 9:22
  SPEAKER_00: So that's my two cents about the West Indian Day Parade.
• 9:25
  SPEAKER_00: So on Wednesday night, I'm gonna launch an episode.
• 9:28
  SPEAKER_00: I interviewed a female cop from Manhattan uh from the first precinct in Manhattan South uh borough crime, Carol Orizem, and great interview, and there's a story in there that she tells about Tompkins Square Park, and I said, wow.
• 9:45
  SPEAKER_00: I mean, she has her own experience, it's actually kind of sad, but I thought back to Tompkins Square Park and I was like, it it brought back a lot of memories.
• 9:53
  SPEAKER_00: So I had just gotten into NSU, I was in the 4-2 precinct maybe a month, was doing a 4-12, and it was August 6, 19 uh 1988, and there was a mobilization that there was a riot in Tompkins Square Park.
• 10:09
  SPEAKER_00: Now, I didn't know Manhattan, I knew nothing about lower Manhattan.
• 10:13
  SPEAKER_00: And the mobilization was uh my sergeant, my lieutenant, and me and my partner, we got into one police car, and you know, I'd never been to a riot before, so I was kind of interested in what was going to happen next.
• 10:27
  SPEAKER_00: And it's not nowadays where you know social media guys can go on their phones and stuff.
• 10:31
  SPEAKER_00: We were going by 1010 wins news.
• 10:33
  SPEAKER_00: And as we're driving down there, we got the radio on, and there's a riot in uh Tompkins Square Park, and blah, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah.
• 10:41
  SPEAKER_00: So we go down there, and um, there's just people covered in blood.
• 10:46
  SPEAKER_00: I remember a guy pushing a bicycle with two flats, he's covered in blood.
• 10:50
  SPEAKER_00: There's cops chasing people all over the place.
• 10:52
  SPEAKER_00: But it was pretty much over.
• 10:55
  SPEAKER_00: And uh we pull up.
• 10:57
  SPEAKER_00: So we were doing a 4-12.
• 10:59
  SPEAKER_00: We probably got there about 12:30, 1 o'clock in the morning.
• 11:01
  SPEAKER_00: It was pretty much over.
• 11:02
  SPEAKER_00: Our lieutenant got out of the car.
• 11:05
  SPEAKER_00: He went into like a temporary headquarters vehicle or whatever.
• 11:09
  SPEAKER_00: He was in there for about five minutes.
• 11:10
  SPEAKER_00: He came out and he goes, He so this guy, we used to call him the general.
• 11:15
  SPEAKER_00: He was a paratrooper in the military and he looked just like.
• 11:19
  SPEAKER_00: If you ever saw the movie The Godfather, Captain McCluskey, the late actor Sterling Hayden, looked just like him and had that booming voice.
• 11:27
  SPEAKER_00: And if someone used to come into the 4-2 station house and they were screwing around and go, remove that man from the station house, like he was no joke.
• 11:35
  SPEAKER_00: He I saw him jump over the desk one time.
• 11:37
  SPEAKER_00: One of the cops was uncuffing a guy to sign it for his property, and the guy took a swing at the cop.
• 11:42
  SPEAKER_00: He came over that desk and kicked kicked the shit out of the guy.
• 11:45
  SPEAKER_00: So he was an older guy, but he didn't take crap from anybody.
• 11:50
  SPEAKER_00: So, oh, but let me get back for a second.
• 11:53
  SPEAKER_00: Let me go back.
• 11:54
  SPEAKER_00: When I was in the police academy, we used to go to this place called Cosmos.
• 11:58
  SPEAKER_00: It was a diner a couple of blocks away from 20th Street and 2nd and 3rd, where the police academy was.
• 12:03
  SPEAKER_00: I had a couple of bucks, like I would get a grilled cheese sandwich.
• 12:07
  SPEAKER_00: And me and a buddy of mine would always go to this diner, and there was this old Jewish waiter who looked like Grandpa Al Lewis from the Munsters.
• 12:17
  SPEAKER_00: He had like a die job at like the widow's peaked, and he sounded just like him, right?
• 12:22
  SPEAKER_00: And he, you know, he couldn't tell the recruits from each other.
• 12:26
  SPEAKER_00: We all we all dressed the same, we all had the same fucked-up haircuts, we all wore those stupid hats, same uniform.
• 12:33
  SPEAKER_00: So I he could wait on me every day and ask me the same question, which he often did thinking I was someone else.
• 12:39
  SPEAKER_00: And he would always say, So after the academy, they're gonna send you to Tompkins Square Park.
• 12:44
  SPEAKER_00: And I was like, I don't know.
• 12:46
  SPEAKER_00: I'm probably going to the Bronx.
• 12:47
  SPEAKER_00: And I used to look at the guy I would have lunch with who's from Staten Island.
• 12:51
  SPEAKER_00: I go, what the fuck?
• 12:52
  SPEAKER_00: Where the fuck is Staten um Tompkins Square Park?
• 12:54
  SPEAKER_00: I don't know.
• 12:55
  SPEAKER_00: But every you're going to Tompkins Square Park?
• 12:58
  SPEAKER_00: So anyway, the riot's over.
• 13:00
  SPEAKER_00: Everyone's covered in blood.
• 13:02
  SPEAKER_00: The next thing you know that night, there's another mobilization on 125th Street in Harlem.
• 13:09
  SPEAKER_00: There's been a blackout.
• 13:11
  SPEAKER_00: So I'm like, holy shit, bro.
• 13:13
  SPEAKER_00: I went from a riot.
• 13:14
  SPEAKER_00: There's not a riot anymore.
• 13:15
  SPEAKER_00: Now I'm going up to Harlem.
• 13:17
  SPEAKER_00: I knew what Harlem was, and there's a blackout.
• 13:19
  SPEAKER_00: And I remember that the blackout from 1977, which was the shit show.
• 13:23
  SPEAKER_00: So that I was nervous.
• 13:25
  SPEAKER_00: So we caravan up, we go under 125th Street.
• 13:28
  SPEAKER_00: There's yet another temporary headquarters vehicle.
• 13:30
  SPEAKER_00: There's a bunch of cops standing around.
• 13:32
  SPEAKER_00: The general, our lieutenant, gets out of the car, walks to the temporary headquarters vehicle.
• 13:39
  SPEAKER_00: He's in there a couple of minutes.
• 13:40
  SPEAKER_00: He comes down and he goes, Yep, power's back on.
• 13:43
  SPEAKER_00: They don't need us anymore.
• 13:45
  SPEAKER_00: He said, All right.
• 13:46
  SPEAKER_00: So he gets back in the car, and our sergeant was driving, and he was sitting in the front seat, and he turns to the sergeant, he goes, You know, it's about 1 a.m.
• 13:57
  SPEAKER_00: I'm getting a little thirsty if you know what I mean, right?
• 14:00
  SPEAKER_00: So sergeant says, Alright.
• 14:01
  SPEAKER_00: So Lieutenant said something to him about rags.
• 14:05
  SPEAKER_00: I didn't know what he was talking about.
• 14:08
  SPEAKER_00: And we pull up the the 2-5 precinct, I think, is on 119th Street off of um the train.
• 14:15
  SPEAKER_00: What is that?
• 14:15
  SPEAKER_00: Park.
• 14:17
  SPEAKER_00: And he parked up the block from the precinct, but didn't make the turn on park, which there's a bar there later on I knew called Rags.
• 14:24
  SPEAKER_00: So he turned to the sergeant and he goes, Are they all right?
• 14:29
  SPEAKER_00: Because we were in the sergeant's squad and he goes, Yeah, they're fine.
• 14:31
  SPEAKER_00: He goes, All right.
• 14:32
  SPEAKER_00: And he gets out of the car.
• 14:34
  SPEAKER_00: Right?
• 14:35
  SPEAKER_00: And he walks around the court.
• 14:36
  SPEAKER_00: He's in full uniform.
• 14:37
  SPEAKER_00: We're all in full uniform.
• 14:39
  SPEAKER_00: So um the sergeant turns to the back seat and he goes, Tent's gonna get us a couple of beers.
• 14:44
  SPEAKER_00: Are you guys all right with that?
• 14:45
  SPEAKER_00: I'm not gonna say anything.
• 14:47
  SPEAKER_00: I was like, Yeah, okay.
• 14:49
  SPEAKER_00: You know, they outrank me.
• 14:51
  SPEAKER_00: I mean, if we get caught, we're all going down.
• 14:53
  SPEAKER_00: I'm probably getting fired, but I'm not gonna be the one to raise my hand.
• 14:57
  SPEAKER_00: He comes back around the corner about five minutes later with it with a six-pack and a brown paper bag.
• 15:02
  SPEAKER_00: We used to call it a square.
• 15:04
  SPEAKER_00: And I can guarantee you he didn't pay for it.
• 15:06
  SPEAKER_00: That's another story, because that guy never went into his pocket for everything.
• 15:09
  SPEAKER_00: He probably knew the bartender from when he was in TP.
• 15:12
  SPEAKER_00: Yeah.
• 15:13
  SPEAKER_00: So tells the sergeant, go for a ride.
• 15:16
  SPEAKER_00: I'm gonna give these boys a tour.
• 15:18
  SPEAKER_00: And, you know, we're in the back seat with a beer in our hand, and he's like, that corner over there, that how that building was on fire, and I pulled out two women, and then he's like, I knocked a guy's teeth out on that over there.
• 15:30
  SPEAKER_00: Like, it's like he was a Harlem guy that worked in TPF later on.
• 15:35
  SPEAKER_00: And it was just interesting, like his perspective of Harlem and how things were.
• 15:39
  SPEAKER_00: We're sitting back there, you know, had a couple of beers, went back to the precinct, got changed, and hung out in front of the station house with the lieutenant, the sergeant, drinking in front of the precinct until the sun came up.
• 15:51
  SPEAKER_00: And I was like, this is an unusual lifestyle I've gotten myself involved in here.
• 15:57
  SPEAKER_00: But it was interesting to say the least.
• 15:59
  SPEAKER_00: But that would not be uh the last time I went to Tompkins Square Park.
• 16:03
  SPEAKER_00: Those people there, they had squatters around the buildings there.
• 16:07
  SPEAKER_00: It was just a lot of unhappy people that just lived to riot and fuck with the police.
• 16:12
  SPEAKER_00: And there was always marches and protests.
• 16:14
  SPEAKER_00: And I went down, and then later on in Bronx Task Force, we were getting sent down there all the time, but it was never as uh bawdy as the time I saw it that initial night.
• 16:25
  SPEAKER_00: So I wanted to I wanted to touch on another story which I thought was a joke.
• 16:28
  SPEAKER_00: I don't know if you guys saw this on the internet, but the slur-speewing plane passenger who was duct taped and zip tied to his seat after an alleged midair meltdown has been identified as an Arizona realtor.
• 16:42
  SPEAKER_00: Lane Arthur Lundine, three names, 67 years old of Tucson, forced an American Airlines flight 618 from Dallas to Newark to land prematurely in Baltimore after his obscene outburst Thursday night, during which the bigoted hurled the N-word at a flight attendant and spouted anti-gay insults, according to police.
• 17:03
  SPEAKER_00: Lundine's LinkedIn profile said he was vice president of Long Realty in Tucson.
• 17:08
  SPEAKER_00: However, his profile has been scrubbed from the site, you think?
• 17:12
  SPEAKER_00: Traveler Juan Mejia, a former law enforcement officer who was on board, told ABC News him and Richard Olnick jumped into action when they heard Lundine two rows behind, becoming belligerent at the end of the flight.
• 17:25
  SPEAKER_00: So basically, what these guys did was this guy was out of control, these two passengers, one I guess was an ex-cop, they jumped him, and they duct taped and zip tied this guy.
• 17:35
  SPEAKER_00: And it said the wild footage from the flight shows Lundine looking duct taped to the chair like a Scooby-Doo villain with his head and torso bound.
• 17:44
  SPEAKER_00: American Airlines told the post in a statement that the flight was diverted to Baltimore due to a disruptive customer.
• 17:50
  SPEAKER_00: When the plane touched down in Baltimore, law enforcement met the aircraft and had assisted with deplaning the customer.
• 17:56
  SPEAKER_00: The FBI confirmed that Lundine was arrested by Maryland Transportation Police.
• 18:01
  SPEAKER_00: He was charged with a state-level second-degree assault and disorderly conduct.
• 18:05
  SPEAKER_00: The FBI is conducting interviews to gather the facts and will consult with the U.S.
• 18:09
  SPEAKER_00: Attorney's Office for the District of Maryland to determine if federal charges should be filed.
• 18:14
  SPEAKER_00: So now the FBI is going to look at this to determine if he's going to get hit with interfering with an aircraft crew and whatever federal charges.
• 18:23
  SPEAKER_00: They probably won't.
• 18:25
  SPEAKER_00: But this guy's going to be getting banned from he's going to get put on that no-fly list.
• 18:28
  SPEAKER_00: So if he ever wants to get on a plane, he's going to have to really jump to a lot of hoops and show cause.
• 18:34
  SPEAKER_00: I don't know what it is with people acting like assholes on flights.
• 18:38
  SPEAKER_00: I remember as a kid, like we didn't have any money.
• 18:41
  SPEAKER_00: We only flew a couple of times, like once or twice, but I remember people were in suits.
• 18:45
  SPEAKER_00: And I remember like my parents, my brother and I had my mother had us in like matching outfits.
• 18:51
  SPEAKER_00: I mean, we were young, but I mean, flying was a privilege.
• 18:54
  SPEAKER_00: Now you got people in their pajamas.
• 18:56
  SPEAKER_00: And I had a guy on a flight clipping his toenails one time on the other side of me.
• 19:00
  SPEAKER_00: I felt bad for the woman between us.
• 19:03
  SPEAKER_00: It's really gone downhill.
• 19:05
  SPEAKER_00: Uh the clientele that fly, unfortunately.
• 19:08
  SPEAKER_00: But the airlines don't help either.
• 19:09
  SPEAKER_00: I mean, they treat you like cattle.
• 19:11
  SPEAKER_00: They don't give a shit about you.
• 19:12
  SPEAKER_00: You can't, God forbid they give you something to eat, you know, and they're screwing you with the luggage.
• 19:17
  SPEAKER_00: I get that the price of jet fuel has gone up, but you know, there's got to be a happy medium somewhere.
• 19:23
  SPEAKER_00: But this interview that I have with this uh female cop is gonna be really good.
• 19:27
  SPEAKER_00: I'm gonna release that on on Wednesday night.
• 19:30
  SPEAKER_00: I don't really want to get too deep into this, go down this rabbit hole, but uh Marik Bartolis and I did the interview with um Bill Mack, and I'm very grateful from the uh Facebook GHI Health and Benefits uh page, which then sparked Scott Monroe, the president of the DEA, who asked us to come on the podcast.
• 19:56
  SPEAKER_00: We did.
• 19:56
  SPEAKER_00: He gave he had time constraints.
• 19:58
  SPEAKER_00: He said, I'm I can only do an hour.
• 20:00
  SPEAKER_00: He went a little over, which was nice of him.
• 20:02
  SPEAKER_00: Um again, Marik and I are not healthcare advocates, so we put together the best questions we could to get the best answers we could.
• 20:10
  SPEAKER_00: There were a couple of things he said that I would like to ask follow-up questions about.
• 20:15
  SPEAKER_00: We didn't attack him, I think we gave him a fair shape.
• 20:18
  SPEAKER_00: Then another podcast turns around and blasts us and says that it was scripted and edited.
• 20:24
  SPEAKER_00: Listen, wasn't scripted, other than that we didn't provide him with questions, and he didn't, Scott Moreau didn't provide us with questions.
• 20:32
  SPEAKER_00: That's number one.
• 20:33
  SPEAKER_00: Number two, the only editing I did in that episode was I removed pauses so the thing doesn't go on forever.
• 20:41
  SPEAKER_00: And there was one point where Marique's dogs were barking and she had a turn and make a comment to her husband about keeping the dogs quiet.
• 20:50
  SPEAKER_00: That was it.
• 20:51
  SPEAKER_00: All right.
• 20:51
  SPEAKER_00: I'm not protecting Scott Monroe.
• 20:53
  SPEAKER_00: I'm a detective.
• 20:54
  SPEAKER_00: I'm getting screwed by this dental plan.
• 20:57
  SPEAKER_00: So it's not my best interest just to lay over.
• 21:01
  SPEAKER_00: We were asking them questions, and I'm not Morton Downey Jr.
• 21:04
  SPEAKER_00: either, who used to whip people up into a frenzy.
• 21:07
  SPEAKER_00: That's not my thing.
• 21:08
  SPEAKER_00: I'd much rather interview cops and law enforcement members because they got great stories.
• 21:14
  SPEAKER_00: And, you know, when they go, those stories are gone forever.
• 21:17
  SPEAKER_00: And I think it's important that people hear about them.
• 21:19
  SPEAKER_00: I try not to get too political on this podcast.
• 21:22
  SPEAKER_00: Yeah, I'll expouse on things like I just did about the um West Indian Day Parade.
• 21:27
  SPEAKER_00: But for the most part, I just try to I have more fun doing the interviews than I do blasting people.
• 21:34
  SPEAKER_00: So that's just my two cents, and I appreciate you listening to my little uh spiel over here.
• 21:39
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• 21:52
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• 21:58
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• 22:04
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• 22:09
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• 22:11
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• 22:16
  SPEAKER_00: Thanks again, everyone.
• 22:17
  SPEAKER_00: Have a great week, and uh, I'll talk to you again on Wednesday night.
• 22:20
  SPEAKER_00: Thanks.