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Domonique Foxworth reacts to Daniel Jones Getting PAID, Ravens Next Steps & Geno’s Jets Reunion | 3.12 · The Right Time with Bomani Jones

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  Speaker 1: Ladies and gentlemen, welcome to the right time. A wave original.
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  Speaker 1: a hater. It is Foxworth Thursday.
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  Speaker 2: Oh, yeah. Yeah.
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  Speaker 1: Dominique Foxworth, what's going on?
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  Speaker 2: Tuesday night, the ridiculous night in sports, man. I just
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  Speaker 2: thought I was going to be chilling in New York,
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  Speaker 2: hanging out, having a good time, then watch a little
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  Speaker 2: bit of tennis, watch a little bit of Wimby versus
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  Speaker 2: the Celtics, and then shit fell apart. I'm watching Bam
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  Speaker 2: out of Bayou against the Wiz, and then the Max
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  Speaker 2: Crosby thing happens, and all the emails that I sent
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  Speaker 2: in show preparation for get up the next morning, worthless.
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  Speaker 2: Wasted my time doing research to prepare for that.
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  Speaker 1: And y'all wind up in a wild thing with Get
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  Speaker 1: Up On That because I see what they got to do.
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  Speaker 1: They got to get some basketball people on deck. They
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  Speaker 1: got the football people on deck. And then we just
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  Speaker 1: going to see.
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  Speaker 2: That baseball, they try to squeeze baseball in there.
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  Speaker 1: Oh, that's right.
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  Speaker 2: Apparently the manager of the USA team don't understand how
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  Speaker 2: to make it to the out of the pool stage
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  Speaker 2: into the knockout round.
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  Speaker 1: Oh man, I felt so bad for him. Somebody gave
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  Speaker 1: him some bad information. And so he thought that they
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  Speaker 1: was in and then they wasn't in. And then they
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  Speaker 1: went and lost to Italy. They went and lost to
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  Speaker 1: the fighting Tyrico in that game. And so the world
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  Speaker 1: baseball classic is interesting because it's only a very small
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  Speaker 1: number of countries. that should really be participating in this.
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  Speaker 1: That like actually have the manpower to do this. It
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  Speaker 1: is the United States. It is the Dominican. I guess
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  Speaker 1: Puerto Rico gets to compete as itself. Venezuela, you guys
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  Speaker 1: can participate in this. But that's really just about it. Brother, otherwise,
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  Speaker 1: they just be making shit up to get these cats
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  Speaker 1: on these seats.
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  Speaker 2: I mean, Japan, right?
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  Speaker 1: Oh, yeah, Japan. Japan and South Korea, right? They could
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  Speaker 1: put this together. But I saw that Jose Contreras' son,
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  Speaker 1: Jose Contreras, who, by the way, is from Cuba, his
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  Speaker 1: son is 17 years old and he plays in the
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  Speaker 1: Atlanta metro area and he played for Brazil. I can't
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  Speaker 1: think of a single Brazilian baseball player off the top
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  Speaker 1: of my head.
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  Speaker 2: Don't Klay Thompson, brother, play for the British team?
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  Speaker 1: Wow, that's interesting.
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  Speaker 2: The basketball, Clay Thompson.
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  Speaker 1: That's right. Bahamas. They're really doing some colonial games in
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  Speaker 1: order to make this happen.
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  Speaker 2: I mean, the U.S. team doesn't seem to care all
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  Speaker 2: that much. But I can't imagine that any of these
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  Speaker 2: other countries really care. I think we got some cool
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  Speaker 2: moments when it's like we got Otani pitching to Trout
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  Speaker 2: Like last, like we had some cool moments, but overall,
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  Speaker 2: and so it's surprising that the ratings actually are like
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  Speaker 2: better than you would expect. I guess we just like
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  Speaker 2: anything patriotic right now. Maybe. I don't know.
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  Speaker 1: I think it's a cool event in large part because
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  Speaker 1: for Americans, you get to watch people have fun playing baseball,
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  Speaker 1: which you have never seen before. Like those Dominican cats,
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  Speaker 1: them cats from around there, once you see them play,
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  Speaker 1: it's just a whole different situation. It is a totally
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  Speaker 1: contrived event. I bristle at the idea of playing for
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  Speaker 1: your country. You are playing on the American team in
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  Speaker 1: this shit they made up. You know what I mean?
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  Speaker 1: This is not... If you're really doing it for your country,
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  Speaker 1: you'll be like this. You understand what I'm saying? You're
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  Speaker 1: going to have a hat that's flat on the top
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  Speaker 1: if you're really doing this for your country. This is
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  Speaker 1: just an event that they put together.
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  Speaker 2: So you say it's totally contrived. I agree with that.
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  Speaker 2: But how many years does something have to go on
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  Speaker 2: before it's not totally contrived? Because isn't everything totally contrived
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  Speaker 2: in the beginning? Aren't all leagues totally contrived?
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  Speaker 3: No.
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  Speaker 1: What I'm saying is the contrived part. is the idea
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  Speaker 1: that this is about something bigger.
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  Speaker 2: Oh, okay.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah.
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  Speaker 2: Right?
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  Speaker 1: Like, it's the America team.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah.
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  Speaker 1: And they playing, right? Playing for your country. Mike Piazza,
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  Speaker 1: when he did this, he was playing for Italy because
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  Speaker 1: they needed some people on the Italy team. I have
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  Speaker 1: no idea how many of them cats on the Israel
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  Speaker 1: team are actually Israelis or... you know, from somewhere in
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  Speaker 1: America and putting on for Israel.
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  Speaker 2: I mean, there are good games. So I'll enjoy watching
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  Speaker 2: my kids compete. It's because I know who the good
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  Speaker 2: guys are and I know who the bad guys are. And, like,
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  Speaker 2: I have some stake in it, you know? Like, my
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  Speaker 2: team is the good guys. And the same thing when
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  Speaker 2: you watch a team that you care about. It is hard,
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  Speaker 2: which is why a lot of people gamble. It's hard
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  Speaker 2: to get into games with two teams that you're not
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  Speaker 2: moved by or players that you don't know or care about.
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  Speaker 2: That's the secret shortcut to this is you turn it
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  Speaker 2: on and you know who the good guys are. You
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  Speaker 2: know who you're rooting for and you know who you're
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  Speaker 2: rooting against because it makes it pretty clear. So that's
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  Speaker 2: a little bit of the cheat code because I'd be
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  Speaker 2: much more willing to watch that than it's just like,
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  Speaker 2: a random regular season baseball game that i don't care.
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  Speaker 1: About oh usa all right let's go team no no
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  Speaker 1: you're right all that's fair there are some stakes they're
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  Speaker 1: there but no it's a fun event i i can
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  Speaker 1: see why people watch it right like i i get
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  Speaker 1: that let me tell you what i don't get and
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  Speaker 1: i really don't get this you tell me if i'm
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  Speaker 1: tripping here last show we did with danny parkins we
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  Speaker 1: talked about how daniel jones is out here asking 50
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  Speaker 1: million dollars a year when the Colts were like, you
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  Speaker 1: will take this 37 and you will like it. But
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  Speaker 1: it actually turns out they were not saying you will
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  Speaker 1: take this 37 and you like it. They came around
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  Speaker 1: right after we had recorded that, and they are giving
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  Speaker 1: Daniel Jones a two-year deal, $ 88 million base, $ 50 million
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  Speaker 1: guaranteed at signing, $ 60 million guaranteed for injury, maximum value
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  Speaker 1: for $ 100 million. And you watch these things more closely
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  Speaker 1: than I do. Daniel Jones looked like, to me, something
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  Speaker 1: we've seen many, many times. which is somebody gets in
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  Speaker 1: a new situation and gets off to a hot start,
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  Speaker 1: and then everybody was like, wait a minute, man, it's
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  Speaker 1: Daniel Jones. And then he went back to playing like
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  Speaker 1: Daniel Jones before he suffered an Achilles injury. So this
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  Speaker 1: is a world where somebody's falling over themselves to give
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  Speaker 1: him $ 50 million, and the Arizona Cardinals are willing to
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  Speaker 1: eat $ 30- something million to tell Kyler Murray, who I'm pretty
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  Speaker 1: sure is a better player, to go away.
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  Speaker 2: $ 60 million to tell Tua to beat it. Right. Who's
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  Speaker 2: had a better season. Maybe you wouldn't argue he's a
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  Speaker 2: better player, but at least has had a better season.
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  Speaker 1: When did Daniel Jones turn into a guy you pay
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  Speaker 1: $ 50 million to?
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  Speaker 2: Yeah. Far be it from me to knock anybody for
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  Speaker 2: getting their money. However, this seems like a situation where
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  Speaker 2: the circumstances have worked in his benefit. It's Kirk Cousins-esque.
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  Speaker 2: And that the circumstances work to your benefit in such
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  Speaker 2: a way. But it's not even fair to Kirk Cousins
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  Speaker 2: because Kirk Cousins has put together a longer stretch and
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  Speaker 2: more impressive career than I think Daniel Jones has at
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  Speaker 2: this point.
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  Speaker 4: Yes.
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  Speaker 2: And before you even get to the Achilles part, the
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  Speaker 2: Achilles part matters because that is one of the few
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  Speaker 2: remaining injuries that make us nervous long term, right? So, like,
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  Speaker 2: ACL doesn't really make us nervous that much long term.
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  Speaker 2: And at one point, that was it. There's a few
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  Speaker 2: injuries that's like, all right, let me be a little hesitant. Yeah,
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  Speaker 2: you know, like we haven't really seen it in football.
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  Speaker 2: I know Jason Tatum's back in basketball, but like Aaron Rodgers,
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  Speaker 2: that wasn't great, guys. Like Kirk Cousins came back. That
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  Speaker 2: wasn't great, guys. But I don't even think that it's
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  Speaker 2: the fact that it's Achilles that jumps out. It's the
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  Speaker 2: fact that it's Daniel Jones and that he also broke
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  Speaker 2: his leg last year. And I don't remember the last
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  Speaker 2: time Daniel Jones had a full, I guess he got
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  Speaker 2: a contract extension. That was the last time he had
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  Speaker 2: a full healthy season, right? And so you combine the
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  Speaker 2: fact that he's never had a great season. He's had
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  Speaker 2: maybe one fully healthy season. That is not the type
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  Speaker 2: of player that you want to, that you necessarily think
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  Speaker 2: that you have to extend. But I guess that's why
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  Speaker 2: they put him on a two-year deal. It's a result of,
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  Speaker 2: I think, Ballard, the GM there, feeling like his back's
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  Speaker 2: against the wall. And Daniel Jones, if he takes his
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  Speaker 2: transition tag and is like, I'm not signing it until
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  Speaker 2: week one, I'm not going to do anything, that puts
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  Speaker 2: you under the eight ball. And for what reason? Why
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  Speaker 2: not trade away whatever you got and give whatever contracts
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  Speaker 2: you need to give to give yourself the best chance
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  Speaker 2: to demonstrate to the newer decision makers at that organization?
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  Speaker 2: that you are the right guy to stay here for
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  Speaker 2: a few more years.
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  Speaker 1: Man, they love giving Daniel Jones, just finding a reason
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  Speaker 1: to get that boy some money. Same thing with Sam Darnold.
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  Speaker 1: People are just like, hey, man, if you just give
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  Speaker 1: us the opportunity, man, we'd love to give you a
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  Speaker 1: bunch of money, right? I mean, it all worked out,
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  Speaker 1: I guess, in the way for him. But with Daniel Jones,
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  Speaker 1: we talked about this. I'm like, it's Daniel Jones coming
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  Speaker 1: off an Achilles. Daniel Jones, who needs to run. Like,
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  Speaker 1: it's been established that he needs to have them DeAndre
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  Speaker 1: plays put in there for him in order... for you
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  Speaker 1: to get it, right? Like if you just treat him
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  Speaker 1: how he look, it ain't gonna work out so well,
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  Speaker 1: but you throw some apostrophe plays in there for him.
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  Speaker 1: You know what I'm saying? And then some address. gets
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  Speaker 1: opened up and you could do a little bit more.
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  Speaker 1: Anthony Richardson asked for a trade and if I'm the Colts, No, buddy,
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  Speaker 1: you staying right here. We ain't fully gave up on
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  Speaker 1: you yet. They may need him next year. And if
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  Speaker 1: Daniel Jones can reach the point to be a $ 50
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  Speaker 1: million quarterback, don't tell me it's over for Anthony Richardson.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, and obviously I haven't done.
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  Speaker 1: I refuse to give up, by the way.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. I was going to breeze by
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  Speaker 2: that because he hasn't given you much to be excited.
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  Speaker 1: Neither had Daniel Jones for his first two years as
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  Speaker 1: the NFL starter.
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  Speaker 2: That's fair. It could come around. It might. But what
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  Speaker 2: surprised me is that they weren't in on the Kyler
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  Speaker 2: Murray situation, especially given Shane Steichen's history. I'm surprised. I
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  Speaker 2: would be surprised. And I haven't talked to Shane Steichen,
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  Speaker 2: but I'd be surprised if Shane Steichen was like looking
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  Speaker 2: at the available quarterbacks and then go upstairs to Chris
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  Speaker 2: Ballard's office and said, let me holler at this guy.
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  Speaker 2: Because we remember Shane Steichen got this job because of
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  Speaker 2: what he was able to do in Philadelphia. with Jalen Hurts.
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  Speaker 2: I'd be shocked if he looked at Kyler Murray combined
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  Speaker 2: with Jonathan Taylor, Warren, that tight end that they have
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  Speaker 2: is awesome, a very good offensive line. They extend Pierce.
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  Speaker 2: I'd be shocked if he wasn't like, hey, go give
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  Speaker 2: Kyler Murray that $ 1 million. But Kyler might have just
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  Speaker 2: been like, nah, these Vikings got what I need.
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  Speaker 1: Or Shane Steichen called his old coworker.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah.
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  Speaker 1: Jonathan Gannon.
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  Speaker 2: Fair.
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  Speaker 1: And was like, what's it like working with Kyler Murray?
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  Speaker 1: And he was like, how much time you got?
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  Speaker 2: But I agree. That's a possibility.
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  Speaker 1: I'm just saying that's a hypothesis. I'm not saying that's
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  Speaker 1: a good enough reason.
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  Speaker 2: No, it certainly is a hypothesis. But I'm putting myself
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  Speaker 2: in his shoes. And I've heard a lot of the
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  Speaker 2: same things that Jonathan Gannon might tell Shane Steichen. And
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  Speaker 2: my job on the line. I'm looking at Daniel Jones
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  Speaker 2: in a boot. And I'm possibly considering Kyler Murray moodless.
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  Speaker 2: Kyler Murray... Humbled, possibly.
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  Speaker 5: Maybe we got a new Kyler Murray that want to
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  Speaker 5: show something.
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  Speaker 2: I'm going to bring Kyler Murray in for that $ 1
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  Speaker 2: million and say, look here, Kyler, I don't know about
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  Speaker 2: none of that. I don't care. We're going to ball
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  Speaker 2: out this year because you know what happens after this year?
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  Speaker 2: If you ball out, massive extension. If I ball out,
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  Speaker 2: massive extension. You and me, Kyler, I don't give a
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  Speaker 2: damn about this. This is the speech I'm giving them.
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  Speaker 2: I don't give.
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  Speaker 5: A damn about none of that. You and me, we're
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  Speaker 5: going to get a two bedroom apartment. We're going to
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  Speaker 5: get up at five in the morning together. We're going
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  Speaker 5: to carpool our.
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  Speaker 2: Narrow asses to the facility together.
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  Speaker 4: We're going to live, watch film and work together. It's
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  Speaker 4: going to be one year of hell. For you and me,
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  Speaker 4: I'm going to hate it too. When Call of Duty
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  Speaker 4: come out, I'm with you. I'm going to give you,
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  Speaker 4: I'm going to evac you. If you down, I'm going
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  Speaker 4: to revive you in Call of Duty.
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  Speaker 2: We together. I'm not going to like it. You're not
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  Speaker 2: going to like it. But you know what? Come January,
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  Speaker 2: February time, You and me, we going to get paid.
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  Speaker 2: You can go somewhere else. I can go somewhere else.
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  Speaker 2: It don't matter. But we need each other right now.
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  Speaker 2: I would try to sell that to Kyler Murray if
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  Speaker 2: I could.
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  Speaker 1: Y'all about to be the meme. He about to be
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  Speaker 1: the meme of Brother Man Coach. Now bring me my money.
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  Speaker 2: Exactly. Going to do the Roy Williams strut right into
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  Speaker 2: the ownership office.
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  Speaker 1: We gots to get this bread, dawg.
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  Speaker 2: Hey, man, you can tell them.
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  Speaker 1: You've written about it. You've had to, let's get this
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  Speaker 1: money seasoned.
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  Speaker 2: Oh, yeah. Yeah. I've told you and I've written about
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  Speaker 2: how it was probably the closest I've ever felt to
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  Speaker 2: depression because it was not fun. I got traded right
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  Speaker 2: before my contract year. And I was like, holy, it
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  Speaker 2: was a realization. And it's different for Kyler Murray. He
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  Speaker 2: was the number one overall pick. His money was different
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  Speaker 2: than mine was. But at that time, it was like,
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  Speaker 2: holy shit. All that I've dedicated my life to, right now,
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  Speaker 2: it comes down to this season. Either I play poorly
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  Speaker 2: and I got a couple hundred thousand dollars in the bank,
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  Speaker 2: which ain't bad. A couple hundred thousand dollars in the
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  Speaker 2: bank in my mid-20s, no professional experience. Damn it.
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  Speaker 4: Or.
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  Speaker 2: got some M's and life looking pretty bright. That's a
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  Speaker 2: lot of pressure. Then you get traded and you live
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  Speaker 2: it out of a hotel room and it was miserable.
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  Speaker 2: I wasn't watching shit but film and only Sonny in
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  Speaker 2: Philadelphia trying to force myself to get a laugh. That
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  Speaker 2: was it. Off my broke ass laptop.
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  Speaker 1: You helped teach something that's very important. I always say
• 15:00
  Speaker 1: focus is a skill, right? Focus is a resource and
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  Speaker 1: We always talk about the contract here. They'd be like, yeah,
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  Speaker 1: he's doing that because of money on the line. Yes
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  Speaker 1: and no, right? Obviously, we as humans cannot always tap
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  Speaker 1: into the utmost focus for whatever reason, right? Sometimes it's
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  Speaker 1: different than others. Like sometimes in the gym, you lift
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  Speaker 1: a little more. Sometimes you throw it up 30. Sometimes
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  Speaker 1: you throw it up 20, right? It just goes that
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  Speaker 1: way sometimes. But that got to make that focus.
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  Speaker 2: That got to is a cousin of can't go back.
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  Speaker 2: There's nothing stronger than can't go back. I'm not saying
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  Speaker 2: that I had the can't go back coursing through my veins,
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  Speaker 2: but I had the got to coursing through there. And
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  Speaker 2: that's pretty damn strong. And yeah, I read a book
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  Speaker 2: a while ago called Scarcity, and it talked a lot
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  Speaker 2: about like the benefits and the drawbacks of like feeling
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  Speaker 2: that pressure and that scarcity. But yeah. We're people, man.
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  Speaker 2: You can't simulate. It's something we talk about all the time.
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  Speaker 2: You can't simulate real desperation. You can't fake that. We
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  Speaker 2: read articles. Maybe they're true. Maybe they're not. Like moms
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  Speaker 2: getting superpowers when their kids in danger and lifting up
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  Speaker 2: cars and shit like that. I don't know, but I
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  Speaker 2: know that shit feel different sometimes. And I believe it.
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  Speaker 1: Let me tell you what I believe in that mom
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  Speaker 1: superpower type stuff. It was the NFC Championship game. I've
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  Speaker 1: talked about this on the show before. If you've never
• 16:27
  Speaker 1: seen it, look it up. My head, I maybe made
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  Speaker 1: it a little bit more hyperbole in watching it, but
• 16:34
  Speaker 1: when you watch it, you'll still see what I'm talking about.
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  Speaker 1: So in the year of our Lord, 2009, Adrian Peterson
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  Speaker 1: had a real problem with fumbling, right? They just kept
• 16:43
  Speaker 1: taking the ball out of his hands, which seems impossible
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  Speaker 1: for a man whose greatest known feat is his handshake, right?
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  Speaker 1: But for whatever reason, people kept making him fumble. And
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  Speaker 1: in that NFC championship game, I want to say he
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  Speaker 1: had multiple phones, but the last fumble he had, he
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  Speaker 1: recovered it himself. And it looked like the equivalent of
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  Speaker 1: what if somebody jumped from the bottom of the pool
• 17:10
  Speaker 1: and landed on their feet? with just one jump, not
• 17:13
  Speaker 1: even pulling themselves off the wall. Agent Peterson understood now
• 17:17
  Speaker 1: was not the time to lose a fumble. It is
• 17:19
  Speaker 1: one of the most incredible things I have ever seen
• 17:22
  Speaker 1: in my life. And it would not have been the
• 17:23
  Speaker 1: case in week two. It would not have been the
• 17:25
  Speaker 1: case in week seven. It happened right then and there.
• 17:29
  Speaker 2: I've told this a bunch of times, but you know this,
• 17:32
  Speaker 2: that was one of the differences that I thought that
• 17:35
  Speaker 2: I saw in and Ray Lewis in any other play.
• 17:38
  Speaker 2: You can point to all the special things about him,
• 17:40
  Speaker 2: but one of the differences that I saw in him
• 17:42
  Speaker 2: was somehow the level, like my most important can't go back,
• 17:52
  Speaker 2: everything's on the line, high pressure, that level of focus
• 17:56
  Speaker 2: and intensity was that fool's baseline.
• 18:00
  Speaker 4: Pfft.
• 18:02
  Speaker 2: Like, I don't know if he got higher than that
• 18:04
  Speaker 2: for other, like, high-intensity games. I couldn't really tell because
• 18:08
  Speaker 2: it felt intense. Like, when we were in the playoffs together,
• 18:10
  Speaker 2: it feels intense. I wasn't on the Super Bowl team,
• 18:13
  Speaker 2: either of his Super Bowl teams, so maybe it was
• 18:15
  Speaker 2: higher then, too. But I know that I looked at
• 18:18
  Speaker 2: him before every random game and was like, at this
• 18:22
  Speaker 2: point in your career, how you care this much right now?
• 18:26
  Speaker 2: You can't fake it, man. You can't fake it. It's
• 18:28
  Speaker 2: something about... And that might be... Some other players might
• 18:30
  Speaker 2: be like that. And maybe he takes it to an
• 18:32
  Speaker 2: even higher level when he knocking out Eddie George in
• 18:35
  Speaker 2: the playoffs. Like, it's possible. But it's a special amount
• 18:39
  Speaker 2: of focus.
• 18:40
  Speaker 1: That's Michael Jordan.
• 18:42
  Speaker 3: Yeah.
• 18:43
  Speaker 2: Same thing. And to your point, that focus is a resource.
• 18:45
  Speaker 2: You're right. Like, some people, it's the same way to, like,
• 18:47
  Speaker 2: speed is a resource. Of course, you're going to run faster,
• 18:50
  Speaker 2: sometimes slower sometimes. And some people start at a higher point. Like,
• 18:54
  Speaker 2: some people... has some issues with attention, that man can focus.
• 18:58
  Speaker 1: That's what I'm saying. We clearly recognize that there's only
• 19:01
  Speaker 1: a certain endowment in this because people spend all kinds
• 19:03
  Speaker 1: of money on dope.
• 19:04
  Speaker 2: Oh, yeah, for sure.
• 19:05
  Speaker 1: So they can get it back. You know what I'm saying?
• 19:08
  Speaker 1: There's a whole industry based around I can help you focus.
• 19:12
  Speaker 2: I get it. Yeah, I was listening to some podcast
• 19:16
  Speaker 2: this morning about politics and was talking about how power
• 19:19
  Speaker 2: is a combination of resources and will. is like the
• 19:25
  Speaker 2: the calculation that makes power and i was thinking about
• 19:28
  Speaker 2: that in a sports context or an athlete's context and
• 19:31
  Speaker 2: the will is kind of the focus part to some
• 19:33
  Speaker 2: degree is like and that's the can't go back so
• 19:36
  Speaker 2: like yeah there's there are some things that are different
• 19:39
  Speaker 2: that you can't create and like yeah the resources are
• 19:41
  Speaker 2: whatever you have physically yeah but that doesn't like we
• 19:45
  Speaker 2: all know great athletes that didn't figure it out didn't
• 19:47
  Speaker 2: make it anywhere that will something strong, man. Yeah, man.
• 19:53
  Speaker 1: By the way, since you mentioned the Ravens, man, what
• 19:55
  Speaker 1: the hell they up there doing, dog? I sent a
• 19:57
  Speaker 1: text to Mina and I asked the question. We used
• 19:59
  Speaker 1: to have a word for what the Ravens did, but
• 20:02
  Speaker 1: we never replaced it with something more politically correct. So, like,
• 20:05
  Speaker 1: what kind of giving did they engage in? And if
• 20:07
  Speaker 1: one word– if– One word to refer to it is
• 20:10
  Speaker 1: Caucasian given. Would that be offensive?
• 20:15
  Speaker 2: Yeah. At this time, I wouldn't mess around with it.
• 20:19
  Speaker 1: Nah, I wouldn't do that either. I don't recommend anybody...
• 20:23
  Speaker 1: I don't think nobody should make that point. But, you know,
• 20:28
  Speaker 1: European strings attached, maybe? I don't know.
• 20:31
  Speaker 2: I like that. Yeah, I like that.
• 20:32
  Speaker 1: You know what it's like the Ravens did?
• 20:34
  Speaker 2: The Ravens is like.
• 20:35
  Speaker 1: When you accidentally send a text and it's hanging in
• 20:37
  Speaker 1: the air and you really don't want it to go through,
• 20:38
  Speaker 1: but you got to turn the whole computer off. All right?
• 20:42
  Speaker 1: You got to turn the whole phone off.
• 20:43
  Speaker 2: That's what they did.
• 20:44
  Speaker 1: They turned the whole phone off. And then when it
• 20:49
  Speaker 1: came down to it, somebody was like, oh, they ain't
• 20:51
  Speaker 1: tell you? Mm-hmm.
• 20:54
  Speaker 2: You ain't heard? Huh. Oh, they ain't tell you. It's hilarious.
• 21:01
  Speaker 1: You know, that's when everybody else is bullshit. When everybody
• 21:04
  Speaker 1: ain't tell you. It ain't that motherfucker looking like a triangle.
• 21:10
  Speaker 1: Looking like recycle, reduce, reuse. Everybody just pointing around at
• 21:15
  Speaker 1: each other.
• 21:17
  Speaker 2: It's bad, man. As the time has gone on, it
• 21:20
  Speaker 2: feels like the NFL world is all looking at the
• 21:25
  Speaker 2: Ravens funny. Right? Yeah. And I still stand by the
• 21:32
  Speaker 2: fact that I think that the outcome that they would
• 21:35
  Speaker 2: have preferred is a fully healthy Max Crosby. I think
• 21:39
  Speaker 2: he's that good. I think they would have preferred to
• 21:42
  Speaker 2: have gotten him for the picks that they sent away
• 21:45
  Speaker 2: at whatever level they expected. but I also think it's really,
• 21:49
  Speaker 2: it's very reasonable to think that the circumstances changed. So
• 21:56
  Speaker 2: we say pass fail for the physical. And this is
• 21:58
  Speaker 2: how I explained it on my show is like, we
• 22:00
  Speaker 2: say pass fail. Like there is like, there's some absolute
• 22:04
  Speaker 2: to it. Like it's a light switch. Like it's something
• 22:07
  Speaker 2: that all people would say. I understand like, no, the
• 22:10
  Speaker 2: pass fail line for a physical moves based on your circumstances.
• 22:15
  Speaker 2: So like, if I am getting you for league minimum,
• 22:20
  Speaker 2: what I would require for you to consider you pass
• 22:24
  Speaker 2: is lower, right? If I'm looking to draft you number
• 22:28
  Speaker 2: one overall, then what I would require would be higher.
• 22:34
  Speaker 2: If I am giving two first-round picks to get you,
• 22:37
  Speaker 2: it's going to be higher. If a suitable replacement, we discover,
• 22:44
  Speaker 2: is a little less expensive than we... than we thought
• 22:48
  Speaker 2: what I would require for your knee to look like
• 22:51
  Speaker 2: goes up a little higher. And that like, it's one
• 22:54
  Speaker 2: of those conspiracy theories that is, is so like logical
• 22:59
  Speaker 2: that it feels less conspiratorial. It was like, Oh, Trey
• 23:03
  Speaker 2: took a minute for Trey yesterday.
• 23:06
  Speaker 1: It's, it's, it's the fact that they did not try
• 23:09
  Speaker 1: to change the terms of the deal.
• 23:11
  Speaker 4: Yeah.
• 23:13
  Speaker 1: That's what we, they, yeah. Like if they had been like,
• 23:15
  Speaker 1: all right, I take this down to a one and
• 23:16
  Speaker 1: a three, Right. But they didn't do that. They was like,
• 23:21
  Speaker 1: you know what? No, no, no, no, no.
• 23:24
  Speaker 3: We good.
• 23:24
  Speaker 1: We good. No, no, no, no. It's OK. I just
• 23:27
  Speaker 1: here's my receipt. Can you put it back on my card? No, no, no.
• 23:31
  Speaker 1: I don't want no store credit. I want no store credit.
• 23:34
  Speaker 1: I want I want that back on my card.
• 23:37
  Speaker 2: They asked you, what was the problem with it? You're like,
• 23:43
  Speaker 2: I don't know the knee. You know what it is?
• 23:46
  Speaker 1: That's actually now we got even better. They tried to
• 23:49
  Speaker 1: take back an open box. You know with the open
• 23:54
  Speaker 1: box anything is possible. They took the open box. They
• 23:59
  Speaker 1: were like, yo, I need a refund on this open box.
• 24:01
  Speaker 1: They're like, yo, but it's an open box. You can't
• 24:03
  Speaker 1: do that. Yeah, that's fine, but we need a refund.
• 24:05
  Speaker 1: We looked inside and it's broke. But you knew it
• 24:10
  Speaker 1: was an open box.
• 24:12
  Speaker 2: But this is, as we search around for the perfect analogy,
• 24:18
  Speaker 2: where the Raiders get into a tough situation is they
• 24:25
  Speaker 2: gave them max on consignment. They didn't get paid. Because
• 24:30
  Speaker 2: then that's the thing, the store, once they got your money,
• 24:33
  Speaker 2: you come back and they're like, it's open box. Oh,
• 24:36
  Speaker 2: I'm not going to give you the money. You go
• 24:37
  Speaker 2: ahead and rip it out the register. The Ravens never paid.
• 24:41
  Speaker 2: They called the credit card company and said, cancel that.
• 24:44
  Speaker 2: Cancel that before they can process it. Cancel it.
• 24:50
  Speaker 1: The Ravens just over there like, we're going to get
• 24:53
  Speaker 1: him out of here, but he don't want to be
• 24:54
  Speaker 1: here no more. At least they don't have to put
• 24:57
  Speaker 1: him back in uniform. At least they didn't do this
• 24:59
  Speaker 1: at the trade deadline.
• 25:00
  Speaker 2: The worst part, I think, for the Raiders is that
• 25:04
  Speaker 2: they are in a much worse position than they were before. Like,
• 25:09
  Speaker 2: had they never even gotten into this agreement with the Ravens,
• 25:13
  Speaker 2: Max Crosby's value would be higher and they could get
• 25:17
  Speaker 2: one of those. So Max Crosby's value is depressed now.
• 25:19
  Speaker 2: So they got the deal got reneged and they got
• 25:23
  Speaker 2: back a less valuable piece. And the Ravens went on
• 25:27
  Speaker 2: to get back their picks that are still just as
• 25:29
  Speaker 2: valuable as they were before and a replacement for the
• 25:35
  Speaker 2: position that they that they needed.
• 25:37
  Speaker 1: Well, let me ask you this. What do you think
• 25:39
  Speaker 1: of all these people that are now... We hear people
• 25:43
  Speaker 1: talk about the Ravens like it's a clown show, and
• 25:46
  Speaker 1: I had spent the last two and a half decades
• 25:48
  Speaker 1: people talking about it's the best running organization in the league.
• 25:52
  Speaker 2: That was what bought them some goodwill with me, at least,
• 25:55
  Speaker 2: was like, that sounds absurd. The Ravens don't do that.
• 25:59
  Speaker 2: The Ravens don't. That ain't how the Ravens operate. Ozzy? Nah,
• 26:04
  Speaker 2: that ain't what they would do. But it feels like
• 26:07
  Speaker 2: it doesn't take much. Um, I tell, uh, yeah, I
• 26:11
  Speaker 2: definitely can't tell this story on here, but one of
• 26:13
  Speaker 2: my college coaches told a story once that, um, stuck
• 26:17
  Speaker 2: with me. It was called Pierre. He called it Pierre,
• 26:19
  Speaker 2: the bridge builder.
• 26:20
  Speaker 1: And, um, I know similar analogs about that one. I
• 26:26
  Speaker 1: think I've told you before, but yeah. Does it involve
• 26:30
  Speaker 1: a goat at some point?
• 26:32
  Speaker 2: It doesn't, but yeah, the same sort of thing.
• 26:34
  Speaker 1: Yeah, the version I heard involves a goat.
• 26:36
  Speaker 2: Yeah, this was in the early 2000s, and we were
• 26:40
  Speaker 2: hyper-masculine football players. So he went with something that... that
• 26:46
  Speaker 2: those type of people would find incredibly offensive at that time.
• 26:50
  Speaker 2: I don't think it would work. The GOAT might be
• 26:52
  Speaker 2: more offensive now, but back then, he wanted you to
• 26:55
  Speaker 2: know that the thing that you would most hate to
• 26:59
  Speaker 2: be considered... In 2001, you it, because you did it once.
• 27:03
  Speaker 1: You get caught one time.
• 27:04
  Speaker 2: Yeah, that's the.
• 27:05
  Speaker 1: That's what you will be forever.
• 27:06
  Speaker 2: That's the essence of the story. Pierre the Bridge Builder
• 27:09
  Speaker 2: was the greatest bridge builder. He built lots of bridges,
• 27:11
  Speaker 2: and everyone revered him as being a great bridge builder.
• 27:13
  Speaker 2: Then somebody caught him doing something once, one time. And
• 27:16
  Speaker 2: from then on, nobody called him Pierre the Bridge Builder.
• 27:19
  Speaker 2: It reminded me of my homeboy at elementary school named P.P. Gregg.
• 27:23
  Speaker 2: Man peed on himself just a couple times at elementary school.
• 27:26
  Speaker 2: He did a bunch of other things. Still call that
• 27:29
  Speaker 2: man P.P. to this day.
• 27:30
  Speaker 1: Yeah, there was some dude that was allegedly in high school,
• 27:36
  Speaker 1: caught in the bathroom playing a solo.
• 27:38
  Speaker 2: Yeah.
• 27:39
  Speaker 1: I don't even know if it actually happened, but he
• 27:42
  Speaker 1: was J-O-B until the end. It had wore off by
• 27:45
  Speaker 1: the time Reunion came around. They called that man J-O-B.
• 27:50
  Speaker 1: I don't even know what J-O-B stood for. His name
• 27:52
  Speaker 1: was J-O-B forever.
• 27:54
  Speaker 2: I mean, that's the best possible outcome because... At some point,
• 27:59
  Speaker 2: it becomes a nickname and nobody knows what it comes from.
• 28:03
  Speaker 2: And just hope that they don't ask the origins. Because, like, P.P.
• 28:06
  Speaker 2: Gregg eventually just became P. Like, he went to P.P.
• 28:09
  Speaker 3: Gregg.
• 28:10
  Speaker 2: We called him P.P.
• 28:10
  Speaker 1: Gregg.
• 28:10
  Speaker 2: Then it was just P.P. Then eventually it was just P.
• 28:13
  Speaker 2: No P's in his name anywhere to be found. Sooner
• 28:16
  Speaker 2: or later, where P at? Where P? Like Swaggy P. Yeah,
• 28:19
  Speaker 2: the man P.P. 'd on himself a few times in
• 28:23
  Speaker 2: the third grade. P.P. Gregg forever.
• 28:26
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  Speaker 1: Did you ever think that you would see a time
• 32:00
  Speaker 1: where Geno Smith and the New York Jets would be reunited?
• 32:09
  Speaker 2: I mean, it had to be a last resort, man. Like,
• 32:11
  Speaker 2: if I was Geno, I would do all things possible
• 32:14
  Speaker 2: to avoid giving people the opportunity to revisit that story, man.
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  Speaker 2: Or any of it.
• 32:20
  Speaker 1: And, okay, it's very difficult for me to judge Geno
• 32:25
  Speaker 1: on what happened last year with the Raiders because it
• 32:28
  Speaker 1: was such a disaster what was going on with that team, right? However,
• 32:32
  Speaker 1: Aaron Glenn didn't appear to do a much better job
• 32:36
  Speaker 1: last year than Pink Carroll did. OK, he also has
• 32:41
  Speaker 1: done a terrible job of dealing with the media. Like,
• 32:43
  Speaker 1: I don't think Aaron Glenn is being extended with so
• 32:45
  Speaker 1: much courtesy this year. And your black head coach bringing
• 32:51
  Speaker 1: in the black quarterback that the fans hated. Whether they
• 32:55
  Speaker 1: were being fair or not is not the point. This
• 32:59
  Speaker 1: seems like a situation that is not it doesn't seem
• 33:02
  Speaker 1: conducive to success for anybody involved. But I'm also not
• 33:05
  Speaker 1: sure that there was going to be a better quarterback
• 33:07
  Speaker 1: that the Jets could get.
• 33:09
  Speaker 2: That's the thing. I'm not sure how I would classify
• 33:13
  Speaker 2: Jets fans on the spectrum of informed fans or not,
• 33:17
  Speaker 2: or educated fans. And not like traditional education, just like
• 33:23
  Speaker 2: how much they know about the football world. Because I
• 33:27
  Speaker 2: think if they are, they are welcoming Geno Smith. I
• 33:33
  Speaker 2: think it seems obviously that you do not have a
• 33:36
  Speaker 2: franchise that or a situation right now that is advantageous
• 33:42
  Speaker 2: to a starting-level quarterback. And Geno Smith seems to be that.
• 33:48
  Speaker 2: So maybe they'll be upset or not welcome him or
• 33:52
  Speaker 2: have a short kind of fuse with him because of
• 33:56
  Speaker 2: their history with him.
• 33:58
  Speaker 4: But.
• 33:59
  Speaker 2: I don't know who they think they were going to
• 34:01
  Speaker 2: get that's better than that, given the situation right now.
• 34:05
  Speaker 1: Yeah, no, it's just if he had not played for
• 34:07
  Speaker 1: them before, I don't think I would view this in
• 34:10
  Speaker 1: the same manner. Now, have you seen the run-through of
• 34:12
  Speaker 1: all the quarterbacks since Geno's first start with the Jets,
• 34:15
  Speaker 1: all the quarterbacks that they started before they bring this
• 34:17
  Speaker 1: back around?
• 34:18
  Speaker 2: I haven't, man.
• 34:19
  Speaker 1: Okay, I'm going to run through the names, and I'm
• 34:21
  Speaker 1: not going to really stop. I'm just going to run
• 34:23
  Speaker 1: through them, and I'm going to be curious if you
• 34:25
  Speaker 1: have the same observation at the end that I did.
• 34:28
  Speaker 1: And keeping in mind, we're talking about the versions of
• 34:31
  Speaker 1: these players as they were with the Jets, okay? Matt Sims,
• 34:36
  Speaker 1: Michael Vick, Ryan Fitzpatrick, Bryce Petty, Josh McCown, Sam Darnold,
• 34:42
  Speaker 1: Trevor Simeon, Luke Falk, Joe Flacco, Zach Wilson, Mike White,
• 34:48
  Speaker 1: Josh Johnson, Chris Streveler, I've never heard of him, Aaron Rodgers,
• 34:54
  Speaker 1: Tim Boyle, Terod Taylor, Justin Fields, and Brady Cook. You
• 35:00
  Speaker 1: know what I feel like they all have in common?
• 35:03
  Speaker 1: I'm not sure any of them, while with the Jets,
• 35:05
  Speaker 1: except for 2015, how many of them were actually better? Like,
• 35:09
  Speaker 1: if at the same time they were there, the Jets
• 35:11
  Speaker 1: had had Geno Smith, they probably would have been better off. Like,
• 35:14
  Speaker 1: you look at the run of quarterbacks they had post-Geno,
• 35:16
  Speaker 1: and it's like, you know, the same way they keep
• 35:18
  Speaker 1: talking about Sam Darnold, if.
• 35:19
  Speaker 2: They had just waited and given him a little bit
• 35:21
  Speaker 2: more time.
• 35:23
  Speaker 1: Apparently, they should have had Geno Smith as the quarterback
• 35:25
  Speaker 1: for 13 years.
• 35:26
  Speaker 2: I mean, that's my point, is I think they know that.
• 35:29
  Speaker 2: That's what I'm saying. It's like, I don't know how
• 35:31
  Speaker 2: smart they are as football fans, but if there's someone
• 35:37
  Speaker 2: in this marriage or this connection, because it's multiple parties,
• 35:41
  Speaker 2: that should feel appreciative, it's the Jets fans, the Jets organization.
• 35:49
  Speaker 2: He's the one that comes in, I think. And even
• 35:52
  Speaker 2: coming off as bad a season he's had last year,
• 35:54
  Speaker 2: I think most people... attribute that to what was happening
• 35:58
  Speaker 2: around him. He's the one who I think might have
• 36:02
  Speaker 2: had more options. I actually think that the Falcons, given
• 36:06
  Speaker 2: that they went with Tua, probably should have been, I
• 36:10
  Speaker 2: guess the left-handed thing mattered more than I thought it should.
• 36:13
  Speaker 2: They probably should have been thinking about Geno.
• 36:16
  Speaker 1: They also got Tua for minimum wage.
• 36:18
  Speaker 3: Right.
• 36:19
  Speaker 2: Fair.
• 36:20
  Speaker 1: Geno ain't showing up for no minimum wage. Honestly, I
• 36:24
  Speaker 1: think the Raiders should have kept him.
• 36:25
  Speaker 2: Yeah.
• 36:26
  Speaker 1: Like, there's no reason for Geno not to be your
• 36:28
  Speaker 1: starter next year. Like, I don't, there is no, you're
• 36:32
  Speaker 1: not trotting John Elway out there. You're not trotting Andrew
• 36:34
  Speaker 1: Luck out there, right? Like, you're not trotting out a
• 36:37
  Speaker 1: quarterback that I feel like is like, oh, we got
• 36:40
  Speaker 1: to hurry out and get him on the field for
• 36:41
  Speaker 1: the fans. I feel like they're drafting a quarterback that
• 36:43
  Speaker 1: you could definitely be like, hey, post up for a
• 36:45
  Speaker 1: little bit, big dog. We'll get back to you.
• 36:49
  Speaker 2: Yeah, I think Geno's definitely, well, I guess you have to,
• 36:52
  Speaker 2: he might also just be so pissed off and annoyed that,
• 36:58
  Speaker 2: that he's just scoring and maybe they're not looking to
• 37:00
  Speaker 2: deal with that. But the idea that he was happy
• 37:04
  Speaker 2: and comfortable with going to the Jets suggests that he
• 37:08
  Speaker 2: was not like thinking, oh man, this is my chance
• 37:12
  Speaker 2: to make it big. I can't stay around here and
• 37:14
  Speaker 2: help transition as a quarterback, right?
• 37:17
  Speaker 1: Yeah, no, this is... I talked about this a little
• 37:20
  Speaker 1: bit with Parkins, but it's very interesting. This is a
• 37:22
  Speaker 1: year where there feels like there's been more mobility than
• 37:25
  Speaker 1: ever for just kind of regular dudes. I feel like
• 37:28
  Speaker 1: Kyler Murray, even Geno Smith, I watch Alex Smith get
• 37:32
  Speaker 1: traded repeatedly. And the point I'm making is, and I
• 37:35
  Speaker 1: guess Geno Smith was traded, though it was for like
• 37:37
  Speaker 1: a six-round pick or something like that. But I feel
• 37:40
  Speaker 1: like these are quarterbacks that are a little bit too
• 37:41
  Speaker 1: good for somebody to just be able to get like this.
• 37:45
  Speaker 2: Is that because just the quality of quarterback has gone up?
• 37:49
  Speaker 2: Or do you think that this is like an aberration?
• 37:56
  Speaker 2: These type of guys in the rankings of quarterback always
• 38:00
  Speaker 2: were available to move around, but this batch of quarterbacks
• 38:04
  Speaker 2: was also never this talented?
• 38:08
  Speaker 1: Yeah, it's a good question because it was a couple
• 38:10
  Speaker 1: of years ago. It felt like everything was wrong in
• 38:13
  Speaker 1: quarterback world.
• 38:14
  Speaker 2: You know what I mean?
• 38:14
  Speaker 1: Like I can never keep up on whether or not
• 38:16
  Speaker 1: we had a golden era of quarterbacks or hard times.
• 38:20
  Speaker 2: I mean, it's only so it's so few places, only
• 38:23
  Speaker 2: 32 teams. If you get a batch of five to
• 38:26
  Speaker 2: six young guys that come in and you maintain like
• 38:29
  Speaker 2: four or five old guys, then the league is flush.
• 38:33
  Speaker 1: Yeah, well, look, Trevor Lawrence finally got his shit together, right?
• 38:36
  Speaker 1: You know what I'm saying? Baker Mayfield ain't above no more.
• 38:39
  Speaker 1: Sam Darnold, that happened. You know what I'm saying? It
• 38:43
  Speaker 1: just takes a couple of turns. Don't let J.J. McCarthy
• 38:45
  Speaker 1: get his shit right.
• 38:46
  Speaker 2: Yeah, and I mean, the J.J. McCarthy draft, not including him,
• 38:50
  Speaker 2: three really good guys. And getting a new coach in
• 38:53
  Speaker 2: Chicago has helped with Caleb. That's right. Yeah, we got
• 38:56
  Speaker 2: three really good young guys. Then Stroud, who... And then
• 39:00
  Speaker 2: he's a little bit on thin ice, but, like, he's
• 39:02
  Speaker 2: a legitimate starting quarterback. It's just like we had– and
• 39:05
  Speaker 2: it's also quarterbacks playing longer, I think, too. We had
• 39:09
  Speaker 2: a long stretch of guys that– I don't know. I
• 39:14
  Speaker 2: guess it's a surprise to me how fast it feels
• 39:17
  Speaker 2: like we switched over to, like, the Mahomes, Allen, Lamar guys. Like,
• 39:24
  Speaker 2: they're getting real close to old guy.
• 39:28
  Speaker 1: They are. And it's going to be different because we
• 39:30
  Speaker 1: went through this run where we had super old guys, right?
• 39:33
  Speaker 1: We had Brady, Breeze, Manning play forever. That's not really
• 39:39
  Speaker 1: how this works.
• 39:41
  Speaker 2: It's not how it used to work. I mean, I
• 39:42
  Speaker 2: guess the question is, is that how it works going forward?
• 39:45
  Speaker 2: And And Brady, Breeze, Manning are different types of quarterbacks.
• 39:48
  Speaker 2: So you could make the argument either way, that science
• 39:52
  Speaker 2: is better, take care of your body is better, so
• 39:54
  Speaker 2: they'll play longer. But you could also say these quarterbacks
• 39:57
  Speaker 2: play differently than those quarterbacks, so maybe they won't be
• 40:00
  Speaker 2: effective as long as those guys.
• 40:01
  Speaker 1: I don't know. I feel like the rest of these
• 40:03
  Speaker 1: cats seem to be still falling apart. You know what
• 40:06
  Speaker 1: I'm saying?
• 40:07
  Speaker 2: They are.
• 40:07
  Speaker 1: I want to run this by the people right fast.
• 40:10
  Speaker 1: It appears per ESPN has this report and per a memo,
• 40:15
  Speaker 1: That the owner, Steve Tish, and I think he got
• 40:20
  Speaker 1: a couple siblings, they own a big piece of the Giants.
• 40:23
  Speaker 1: So we have referred to Steve Tish as co-owner of
• 40:25
  Speaker 1: the Giants for a very long time. Anyway, if you
• 40:29
  Speaker 1: hit Control-F on Tish, he come up in them files, right?
• 40:35
  Speaker 1: And he came up because the girls was complainin'. They
• 40:39
  Speaker 1: thought that this was just about a little bit of
• 40:40
  Speaker 1: bitterness and maybe they go, you know, do the thing
• 40:43
  Speaker 1: and then maybe he'll put them in a movie. But
• 40:45
  Speaker 1: it turned out that he was wooking penub in all
• 40:47
  Speaker 1: the wrong paces. And he kept trying to hang out
• 40:51
  Speaker 1: with them and they didn't like that. Anyway, it appears
• 40:55
  Speaker 1: that the Tishes want to put their stakes of the
• 40:58
  Speaker 1: team into the trust of their children. Epstein strikes again.
• 41:05
  Speaker 4: Yep.
• 41:07
  Speaker 2: Everywhere man everywhere like there's nothing obviously that it feels
• 41:12
  Speaker 2: like there's something around the league that's going to happen
• 41:16
  Speaker 2: there like they're not doing that for fun like I
• 41:19
  Speaker 2: imagine that Steve Tisch would have rode this out there's
• 41:24
  Speaker 2: like my assumption is there's a penalty coming there's a
• 41:26
  Speaker 2: decision being made that's why these steps are being taken.
• 41:30
  Speaker 1: So yeah but it's just like up it's crept up
• 41:35
  Speaker 1: it's here It's here. You got caught up. Got caught up.
• 41:40
  Speaker 1: You got caught up. Last thing. What you think about
• 41:44
  Speaker 1: the NFL exploring playing a game on Thanksgiving Eve?
• 41:53
  Speaker 2: I believe that oversaturation is a thing. Ask the NBA.
• 42:01
  Speaker 2: I also recognize that If I had something that people
• 42:05
  Speaker 2: was willing to pay a billion dollars for, I'd figure
• 42:10
  Speaker 2: out how to make new ones all the time. If
• 42:13
  Speaker 2: I had a widget that people was like, I give
• 42:15
  Speaker 2: you a billion dollars for, I would chop that thing up,
• 42:19
  Speaker 2: step on it so many times, cut that thing, twist
• 42:22
  Speaker 2: it and reverse it and sell it to them again.
• 42:24
  Speaker 2: I can't blame them for doing it, but as someone
• 42:29
  Speaker 2: who's not going to make any more money off of this,
• 42:32
  Speaker 2: I recognize that. God, like there was part of the
• 42:36
  Speaker 2: reason why I think the NFL has taken over this
• 42:38
  Speaker 2: country as far as a media product is concerned. Part
• 42:41
  Speaker 2: of the reason is because of the value and exclusivity
• 42:46
  Speaker 2: and the event to eventization of every Sunday, every Monday,
• 42:50
  Speaker 2: every Thursday. I know we got a long way to go,
• 42:53
  Speaker 2: but we add 16 to 17. They talk about an
• 42:56
  Speaker 2: 18 now. We got Christmas. We got all the holidays.
• 43:01
  Speaker 2: They got some shit on Netflix. They got it on
• 43:03
  Speaker 2: Hulu and Peacock. And now they want to take Thanksgiving Eve,
• 43:07
  Speaker 2: which ain't even a thing. I ain't never heard nobody
• 43:10
  Speaker 2: say Thanksgiving Eve before in my life. But yeah, it's
• 43:14
  Speaker 2: hard to argue with the finances of it. This is
• 43:17
  Speaker 2: about the transition that happens for many great art forms
• 43:23
  Speaker 2: from art to capitalism. Not that this hasn't been deeply
• 43:27
  Speaker 2: enmeshed in the capitalism in a long time, but it
• 43:29
  Speaker 2: does feel like the more you just sell, sell, sell,
• 43:34
  Speaker 2: the cheaper it all becomes.
• 43:36
  Speaker 1: Yeah, my issue is it's a Wednesday night game. You
• 43:40
  Speaker 1: mentioned the NBA. I think a mistake, at least to me,
• 43:45
  Speaker 1: it seems like a mistake the NFL is making. They
• 43:47
  Speaker 1: don't feel like it matters. But the difference between the
• 43:51
  Speaker 1: NFL and the NBA is that the NBA is a
• 43:53
  Speaker 1: player's league. And the NFL is not. The NFL is
• 43:55
  Speaker 1: a franchise league. It is a brand league. But the
• 43:58
  Speaker 1: players at some point do matter. And what we've seen
• 44:01
  Speaker 1: with the NBA as a result of the style of
• 44:03
  Speaker 1: change is the changes of style of play is that
• 44:07
  Speaker 1: the players physically cannot withstand it.
• 44:09
  Speaker 4: Right. Right.
• 44:10
  Speaker 1: Like we are seeing their bodies break down and therefore
• 44:12
  Speaker 1: we see less of them and we complain about it
• 44:14
  Speaker 1: when they try to do the things to protect or
• 44:16
  Speaker 1: anything else. NFL ain't a game that allow for no
• 44:18
  Speaker 1: low management.
• 44:19
  Speaker 2: Right.
• 44:19
  Speaker 1: The stakes are too high. The margins are too thin.
• 44:23
  Speaker 1: You cannot do that. But all these things they're doing
• 44:26
  Speaker 1: with the games are just making it more and more
• 44:28
  Speaker 1: likely to people get hurt. And we've had those stretches
• 44:30
  Speaker 1: during this season when you get down and it's the
• 44:32
  Speaker 1: bye weeks and it's not that many teams playing. And
• 44:35
  Speaker 1: then you start looking around and these cats just aren't
• 44:37
  Speaker 1: out there. Like there are stretches of the NFL schedule,
• 44:40
  Speaker 1: like really. And it's really around this time of Thanksgiving
• 44:44
  Speaker 1: when you start putting these games and all these different
• 44:46
  Speaker 1: days and what they start diluting and where I think
• 44:49
  Speaker 1: they're making a strategic mistake when they do this. What
• 44:51
  Speaker 1: they are diluting is the day Sunday. Yeah. Like, what
• 44:56
  Speaker 1: makes y'all shit so much different than everything else is
• 44:58
  Speaker 1: y'all got this whole day that's loaded with stuff. And instead,
• 45:03
  Speaker 1: you put a little bit here, you put a little
• 45:05
  Speaker 1: bit there. It's like Major League Baseball. And I think
• 45:07
  Speaker 1: NFL is going to do this, too, where opening day
• 45:09
  Speaker 1: is not opening day because you started your season in
• 45:11
  Speaker 1: Japan two weeks early, right? And you start diluting the– like,
• 45:15
  Speaker 1: opening day of baseball used to be a thing– that
• 45:17
  Speaker 1: I cannot explain to people what it is now because
• 45:19
  Speaker 1: they diluted it so far. So if I'm the NFL,
• 45:23
  Speaker 1: I get that you can get a little more bread
• 45:24
  Speaker 1: by doing this, but I would be trying to figure
• 45:26
  Speaker 1: out how do we protect the sanctity of Sunday? And
• 45:30
  Speaker 1: to me, that's not what they're doing here unless they're
• 45:32
  Speaker 1: going to put bums in that game.
• 45:34
  Speaker 4: Yeah.
• 45:34
  Speaker 2: I mean, I think that I agree with you. And
• 45:38
  Speaker 2: the quarterbacks being healthy matters more than anyone else. Like
• 45:41
  Speaker 2: it's rough when they do those promos and it's TJ
• 45:44
  Speaker 2: Watt and Miles Garrett. showing up on a Thursday night game.
• 45:47
  Speaker 2: Like it's a much harder game to sell. The problem
• 45:50
  Speaker 2: is they still get numbers that dwarf any other thing
• 45:54
  Speaker 2: that is on TV. So like, there's nothing about, they
• 45:57
  Speaker 2: have so much breathing room considering that the NBA numbers
• 46:02
  Speaker 2: get them an absurd number from TV networks. They have
• 46:06
  Speaker 2: so much breathing room that they're not feeling the pain
• 46:08
  Speaker 2: of this. And I think that the argument that I
• 46:10
  Speaker 2: would make if I were them for why this doesn't
• 46:13
  Speaker 2: change Sunday is, is there's something different about the one-off games.
• 46:17
  Speaker 2: The one-off games don't change the fact that Sunday is
• 46:22
  Speaker 2: a deluge, and that's the fun part, right? That's the
• 46:26
  Speaker 2: event part of it, is that, like, yeah, you get
• 46:28
  Speaker 2: one game on Thursday, you get one on Monday, we
• 46:30
  Speaker 2: might give you one on Christmas, we might give you
• 46:32
  Speaker 2: one on Thanksgiving Eve, but you know when you're going
• 46:37
  Speaker 2: to get, when you're going to drown in football? Every Sunday.
• 46:41
  Speaker 1: Yeah, I guess that's it, man. But this is, It's
• 46:45
  Speaker 1: the Mark Cuban, you know, hogs get slaughtered. But that
• 46:49
  Speaker 1: was 10 years ago. It looked kind of shaky 10
• 46:52
  Speaker 1: years ago.
• 46:54
  Speaker 2: It did. Honestly, I'm not sure. I think the big
• 46:59
  Speaker 2: risk for the NFL, as crazy as this sounds, is
• 47:02
  Speaker 2: not all these little things that we're thinking about. The
• 47:04
  Speaker 2: big risk for the NFL is that they become so
• 47:09
  Speaker 2: expensive that they reduce the amount of buyers that are
• 47:13
  Speaker 2: in the market. And they lose their leverage because what
• 47:18
  Speaker 2: they are selling only, only three companies can afford, which
• 47:23
  Speaker 2: I guess maybe that's why they chop it up.
• 47:25
  Speaker 1: That is something I had not considered until you just
• 47:27
  Speaker 1: said it, that I think is very important, which is
• 47:29
  Speaker 1: with all this media consolidation, man, it's only about to
• 47:31
  Speaker 1: be three people out here.
• 47:33
  Speaker 2: And so no matter how, like imagine a concept that,
• 47:37
  Speaker 2: so here's a good idea. Let's say, let's use the
• 47:40
  Speaker 2: analogy of the NFL selling diamonds, right? That's awesome. If
• 47:47
  Speaker 2: you live in a neighborhood where everybody got money and
• 47:51
  Speaker 2: want to buy diamonds, if the NFL is trying to
• 47:55
  Speaker 2: sell diamonds, but they on the corner, it don't matter
• 48:02
  Speaker 2: how beautiful your diamonds are if your customers don't got
• 48:05
  Speaker 2: the bread. And so they're going to get to a
• 48:07
  Speaker 2: point where, and I'm sure they're aware of this.
• 48:11
  Speaker 1: I don't know why you're so sure of that.
• 48:14
  Speaker 2: Yeah, I'm not sure. And with the media continuing like currently,
• 48:18
  Speaker 2: like media is being allowed to consolidate more and more.
• 48:21
  Speaker 2: It's like that is the real risk of the NFL
• 48:24
  Speaker 2: runs from like a business like strategy standpoint is they
• 48:28
  Speaker 2: have to find a way to make sure that there
• 48:32
  Speaker 2: are enough bidders in the market that aren't colluding in
• 48:36
  Speaker 2: any way. that can keep buying this shit as it
• 48:39
  Speaker 2: keeps going up. Because I don't think the value of
• 48:41
  Speaker 2: the property is going to go down before we end
• 48:44
  Speaker 2: up with two media companies that look at the NFL like,
• 48:46
  Speaker 2: all right, come over here for 30 bucks, go over
• 48:49
  Speaker 2: there for 31 bucks. That's all you got.
• 48:52
  Speaker 1: What a time, man. What a time. Also, in case
• 48:56
  Speaker 1: you guys didn't know, this is going to surprise you,
• 48:58
  Speaker 1: but Iran will not be participating in the World Cup.
• 49:04
  Speaker 1: Just in case you were In case you thought they
• 49:07
  Speaker 1: might show up as the plucky underdog.
• 49:12
  Speaker 2: The World Cup is in North America this year. Yes.
• 49:15
  Speaker 2: Which I think if you read the comments, hard to push.
• 49:20
  Speaker 2: back on what they said.
• 49:20
  Speaker 1: Yeah, let me ask you this, man. Can you imagine
• 49:23
  Speaker 1: what would happen if somehow Iran came over here and
• 49:25
  Speaker 1: they made it to the quarterfinals? Can you imagine if
• 49:30
  Speaker 1: it was like Iran in the United States playing in L.A.
• 49:36
  Speaker 2: Hold on. How we get to the quarters? If we
• 49:42
  Speaker 2: was in the same pool, I guess it's already the
• 49:45
  Speaker 2: groups have already been decided. But, yeah, if we ended
• 49:48
  Speaker 2: up in the quarters, like, that would be dramatic.
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