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Tech Friday w/ Dave Hatter - Sponsored by Intrust IT - 6/5/2026 · Brian Thomas

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  Speaker 1: See Deep Talk Station.
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  Speaker 2: Welcome back, Dave hat Or. It's a pleasure to have
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  Speaker 2: you on the show.
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  Speaker 1: As always always my pleasure to be here, Brian. So
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  Speaker 1: you know, I like to say, hopefully we're doing some
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  Speaker 1: good out there.
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  Speaker 2: You are absolutely free DNA kits.
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  Speaker 1: Huh.
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  Speaker 2: What's this all about? I think of twenty two and
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  Speaker 2: meter or twenty three and me or whatever that you
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  Speaker 2: give people your DNA and for the purposes of something
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  Speaker 2: that you think is really cool, like where are my
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  Speaker 2: ancestors and where am I from? But that puts it
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  Speaker 2: in a database that well officials from around the globe
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  Speaker 2: can tap into and get that record. Plus it creates
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  Speaker 2: some realty or wellion future potential abuses and abuses.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, this is a really interesting thing because honestly, Brian,
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  Speaker 1: I did not know about this until this week when
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  Speaker 1: Brenda Ordonez, a reporter at Fox and I or Fox nineteen,
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  Speaker 1: called me and said, hey, you know anything about this
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  Speaker 1: and would you talk about it? I'm like, well, I
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  Speaker 1: don't want to think about it, but you know me,
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  Speaker 1: I'll talk about it. So as I understand it. And
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  Speaker 1: here's the headline from Fox nineteen. Cincinti police to offer
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  Speaker 1: free DNA kits for cold cases, but privacy concerns remain.
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  Speaker 1: I fully understand the idea behind this, and I'm not
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  Speaker 1: against not against it from an idea standpoint. My concern is, Okay,
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  Speaker 1: where does this data go? Because let me just stop
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  Speaker 1: there and say, as we have discussed now for more
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  Speaker 1: than a decade, your data is a lot more valuable
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  Speaker 1: than you realize. Bad guys can use it not only
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  Speaker 1: to perpetrate fraud in your name, you know, identity theft,
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  Speaker 1: that sort of thing, but as more and more data
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  Speaker 1: gets out there out about you, it makes it easier
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  Speaker 1: for the bad guys to use it to ca advince
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  Speaker 1: you their legit somehow, right, Well, this seems like it's
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  Speaker 1: information that only the Hamlin County Sheriff would have, or
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  Speaker 1: only the bank would have when you get that call.
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  Speaker 1: But you know, you can get a new Social Security
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  Speaker 1: number potentially if you have to. You can get a
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  Speaker 1: new driver's license number, you can get a new phone number.
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  Speaker 1: You can't get new DNA right. Once it's out there,
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  Speaker 1: it's out there, and as far fetched as it sounds now,
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  Speaker 1: I'm no scientists, but you know, especially during COVID, people
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  Speaker 1: talked about bioweapons and genetically engineered weapons and that sort
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  Speaker 1: of thing. You can't get it new DNA. Once it's
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  Speaker 1: out there. It's out there now. And I want to
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  Speaker 1: be clear, you know, I support the police. I have
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  Speaker 1: no reason to believe that the Cincinnati Police Department would
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  Speaker 1: do anything right untoward with this data. My issue is,
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  Speaker 1: you know, once they collect it and they submit it
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  Speaker 1: to test it so they can compare it to databases
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  Speaker 1: and see like, hey, Dave Hatter is a you know,
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  Speaker 1: third degree cousin to Joe Doaks, who's a suspect in
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  Speaker 1: a crime that puts this person, you know, in close
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  Speaker 1: approximate ere I mean you see this stuff on TV.
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  Speaker 1: You see how they use it. I totally get why
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  Speaker 1: they would want it, so I don't Again, I don't
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  Speaker 1: have a problem with it in principle. My issue is
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  Speaker 1: where is the data get stored? Now, again, if it's
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  Speaker 1: all police police are under HIPPA, you know, through the
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  Speaker 1: local governments and so forth, they have evidentiary procedures. I
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  Speaker 1: have no issue with the Cincinnati police whatsoever. My issue
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  Speaker 1: is where does this day to go? Does it going
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  Speaker 1: to a third party? What happens? Like you mentioned twenty
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  Speaker 1: three and meters. You know there are plenty of headlines
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  Speaker 1: out there a couple of years ago when they ran
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  Speaker 1: into financial problems, go delete your data right now. In fact,
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  Speaker 1: I think we talked about that, yep.
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  Speaker 2: And you know, if it's out there, it's hackable. I
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  Speaker 2: mean there even been health systems networks that have and
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  Speaker 2: you think they're under hipp as well. And yet hey,
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  Speaker 2: how come my medical records went out into the world.
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  Speaker 1: You're exactly right, Brian, you know there's nothing that's unhackable
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  Speaker 1: at this point. First off, I just want to state clearly,
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  Speaker 1: and you don't have to take my word for it,
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  Speaker 1: to see what experts that are more well known than me,
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  Speaker 1: are saying, if it's digital, it's haackable. I think I
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  Speaker 1: mentioned this maybe a week or two ago. Mick O Hipponin,
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  Speaker 1: a well known cybersecurity expert, wrote a book. If it's smart,
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  Speaker 1: it's vulnerable, right, If it's got software in it, If
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  Speaker 1: it's an Internet of Things device, which is really anything
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  Speaker 1: that's connected to the Internet, it's hackable. But again, are
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  Speaker 1: is this testing internal? Is it to the FBI or
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  Speaker 1: some other government system where in theory you're going to
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  Speaker 1: have better protections and protection under Hippa, Okay, I would
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  Speaker 1: be more amenable to that. But if it's I'm using
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  Speaker 1: they're using some sort of third party company like A
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  Speaker 1: twenty three and meters to do this, there is no
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  Speaker 1: way I would I would volunteer with this program. Not
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  Speaker 1: because I don't trust the Cincinnati Police. I absolutely trust them.
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  Speaker 1: I don't trust these third party companies. What happens when
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  Speaker 1: they get you know, are they doing the right things
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  Speaker 1: to protect your data? Can they sell that data? What
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  Speaker 1: happens if they go out of business? I mean all
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  Speaker 1: the same concerns you hear all the time with any
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  Speaker 1: third party company that has access to sensitive data. In
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  Speaker 1: my mind or you know, elevated from maybe A three
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  Speaker 1: to at ten when it's something like your genetic data. Again,
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  Speaker 1: you can't get new genes. You can't get me exclamations
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  Speaker 1: out there. That's a problem. So I would I would
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  Speaker 1: not participate in this, even though I understand the principle.
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  Speaker 2: Well, I don't think you can get a new fingerprint either,
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  Speaker 2: and we're gonna talk about that later in the segment
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  Speaker 2: with interesting Ties Dave Hatter, don't go away more. First
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  Speaker 2: Father's Day, you know it's coming up June twenty. First
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  Speaker 2: the talk station six, I think about KRCV Talk station.
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  Speaker 2: It's Tech Friday with Dave Hatter. Intrust dot Com, the
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  Speaker 2: And he's got a substack of all the documents he
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  Speaker 2: A valuable tool for that or is that right there?
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  Speaker 2: So check it out. Dave flock cameras controversial, law enforcement
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  Speaker 2: loves them they do have some tremendous value, but also
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  Speaker 2: major security concerns. But why is this Ohio city in
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  Speaker 2: which one because I don't have but one page of
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  Speaker 2: the article covering it was Dayton. Joe, thank you, Joe Strecker.
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  Speaker 2: Why is Dayton covering all of its flock cameras.
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  Speaker 1: Go to the rescue? Yeah, So, Brian, flock has been
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  Speaker 1: quite controversial for those who don't know, and I have
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  Speaker 1: posted a lot about this on my various social media
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  Speaker 1: in the not too recent past, as it's come up
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  Speaker 1: in northern Kentucky with various cities including Fort Wright, where
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  Speaker 1: I think you know I'm the mayor. Oh yeah, some
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  Speaker 1: council members who are interested in it, and we have
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  Speaker 1: elected not to go down this path. So you know, Brian,
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  Speaker 1: I'm not sure this is not going to come as
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  Speaker 1: a surprise to you. I'm not a fan of orwell
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  Speaker 1: in surveillance state we're building with all this technology, everything
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  Speaker 1: has sofferre in it. Now you don't really own it
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  Speaker 1: at this point because they claim it's their intellectual property,
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  Speaker 1: so you can't fix it. It's got cameras, it's got microphones,
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  Speaker 1: and I'm not necessarily against like CCTV cameras. Right. My
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  Speaker 1: issue is I don't think the average consumer really understands
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  Speaker 1: what many of these devices are capable of. On top
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  Speaker 1: of that, a lot of these chips come from our
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  Speaker 1: friends in the Chinese Communist Party. The software potentially has
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  Speaker 1: back doors in it, and I mean there are already
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  Speaker 1: demonstrable examples where these sorts of devices have been hacked
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  Speaker 1: in other places and used by foreign adversaries like Rush
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  Speaker 1: Russia against Ukraine or before the hostilities in Iran started.
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  Speaker 1: So you know, we are adding so much of this
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  Speaker 1: stuff into the world at this point, and I don't
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  Speaker 1: think people really think about the consequences. Yes, I get
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  Speaker 1: all the arguments for why these things can be helpful.
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  Speaker 1: You can, you know, find a missing elderly person or
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  Speaker 1: a missing kid, or a track down a criminal because
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  Speaker 1: you know, you drive by, it reached your license plate.
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  Speaker 1: Some cases there's facial recognition as well. It says, okay,
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  Speaker 1: there's be on the lookout for this license plate and
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  Speaker 1: it sends an alert to the local police department or whatever.
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  Speaker 1: So I get all the arguments in favor of it,
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  Speaker 1: But if you dig into this, you'll see there are
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  Speaker 1: many many privacy concerns about flock. There's a video of
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  Speaker 1: a guy hacking a flock camera and watching himself on
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  Speaker 1: the camera. Oh, but yeah, it's there's plenty of information
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  Speaker 1: out there, but what of people who want to go
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  Speaker 1: see for themselves covering them up?
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  Speaker 2: Obviously, we can appreciate all those countered by the argument that, well,
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  Speaker 2: there is no expectation of privacy when you're walking around
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  Speaker 2: out in the open in the world, and that is
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  Speaker 2: true from a legal perspective as well.
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  Speaker 1: So I would say, real quick, there's a website called dflock.
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  Speaker 1: People should go look into that. But yeah, in this case,
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  Speaker 1: apparently it's it's dating. As Joe mentioned, their Dayton has
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  Speaker 1: had some concerns about it. Apparently it says they were
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  Speaker 1: deactivated after leaders learned they're used by police was not
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  Speaker 1: within Commission approved guidelines. This has been another concern that's
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  Speaker 1: come up where people that have access to these systems
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  Speaker 1: are using them in ways that are unethical.
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  Speaker 2: Ex girlfriends and wives. Yeah, okay, we had that come
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  Speaker 2: up recently in terms of database searches cheez, that sort
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  Speaker 2: of thing.
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  Speaker 1: But then apparently there were concerns that even after these
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  Speaker 1: things were disabled, that they were somehow still recording again, Brian,
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  Speaker 1: if something has a if something has a camera and
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  Speaker 1: a microphone in it, unless it is turned off, and
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  Speaker 1: even that nowadays, how can you know for sure if
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  Speaker 1: you can't like take the battery out of something or
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  Speaker 1: you know, that's one of the concerns. You know with
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  Speaker 1: modern cell phones you used to be able to take
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  Speaker 1: the battery out. Well, you can't take the battery out
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  Speaker 1: there you press the button, it says it's turned off.
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  Speaker 1: Is it really turned off? I don't mean to sound conspiratorial,
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  Speaker 1: but can you really know why? It might not be
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  Speaker 1: a bad idea to get yourself a Faraday cage bag,
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  Speaker 1: wallet whatever that you can put the phone in. But anyhow,
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  Speaker 1: you know, it says here. You know, despite city leaders
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  Speaker 1: deactivating all the cameras across four neighborhoods, it didn't reassure everyone,
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  Speaker 1: so they decided to cover the cameras, hoping it would
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  Speaker 1: be a temporary fix. And then you know that goes
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  Speaker 1: on to report that some reporters went out and you know,
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  Speaker 1: saw the things covered. Two cameras along Xenia Avenue are
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  Speaker 1: also bagged. The city s all thirty seven cameras are covered.
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  Speaker 1: So it'll be interesting to see. You know, some cities
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  Speaker 1: because of these privacy concerns and things like this, have
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  Speaker 1: canceled their contracts taking these things out. It'll be interesting
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  Speaker 1: to see where this goes, because truly most of the
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  Speaker 1: press seems to be piling up on the negative side
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  Speaker 1: of this at this time. So yeah, I'm not a fan,
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  Speaker 1: but we won't be getting these in fort Right anytime soon.
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  Speaker 2: Promise from the current mayor of or Right. Yes, don't
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  Speaker 2: get Donald Trump on your bad side. You'll be primary.
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  Speaker 2: Dave had It, We'll bring you back. Can you replace you?
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  Speaker 1: See the talk station.
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  Speaker 2: Six fifty on a Friday, and Happy Friday to everybody.
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  Speaker 2: Just get the pleasure and sometimes frightening reality. But Dave
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  Speaker 2: had Or from interest it tells us it's Tech Friday
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  Speaker 2: and pivoting over away from uh. You only have one
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  Speaker 2: set of DNA and you can't change it. I guess
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  Speaker 2: it's the same thing to say with fingerprints and Judguah
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  Speaker 2: Poalatana brought this up when we were talking with him.
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  Speaker 2: I guess it was on Wednesday. If you take a
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  Speaker 2: picture of someone and you can see the finger print,
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  Speaker 2: and those fingerprints can be recreated, which obviously raises some
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  Speaker 2: massive security problems. Is that true, Dave Hatter?
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  Speaker 1: It is true, and it's been around for a long time.
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  Speaker 1: But the point they're making now is that thanks to AI,
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  Speaker 1: you can enhance the resolution of pictures. You know, So
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  Speaker 1: let me take a step back, all the way back.
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  Speaker 1: I believe it was twenty fourteen, and I think we
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  Speaker 1: talked about this, Brian. There was someone who took a
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  Speaker 1: picture of the then German guest Chancellor Prime Minister. I
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  Speaker 1: can't remember what these folks titles are in Europe all
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  Speaker 1: the time.
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  Speaker 2: Union European Commissioned President Ursula vonder Leyan there you.
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  Speaker 1: Go, took a picture of her finger and sort of
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  Speaker 1: demonstrated this idea, right, and this has been done before.
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  Speaker 1: The point they're making now is that, again, thanks to AI,
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  Speaker 1: and thanks to the fact that people take lots of
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  Speaker 1: selfies holding their fingers up and like the peace sign
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  Speaker 1: or anything like that, you can take a picture, potentially
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  Speaker 1: enhance it and the theoretically extract the fingerprints out of it. Again,
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  Speaker 1: this idea isn't really new, but it's sort of been
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  Speaker 1: an Internet panic. And you know, I kind of agree
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  Speaker 1: with the premise of this CBS article. It is absolutely possible,
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  Speaker 1: and I think this is yet another illustration of why
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  Speaker 1: in today's digital world, where everything is digital, you need
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  Speaker 1: to be thinking about these kind of things and be thinking, Okay,
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  Speaker 1: how could something that I'm doing that you know twenty
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  Speaker 1: thirty years ago would have been completely inocuous be used
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  Speaker 1: against me? But I don't think the average person is
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  Speaker 1: going to be attacked to this for two reasons. A,
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  Speaker 1: it's going to take some work potentially to turn your
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  Speaker 1: fingerprints into something usable and be In most cases, you
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  Speaker 1: know your fingerprint comes in with a physical log in
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  Speaker 1: where you have to touch something. So it's not like
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  Speaker 1: the hackers could really use that potentially because you know
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  Speaker 1: you have a fingerprint scanner some sort of biometric device,
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  Speaker 1: you typically have to touch it. So unless as a
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  Speaker 1: hacker I have physical access to your device, I'm not
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  Speaker 1: going to be able to use that.
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  Speaker 2: Okay, let me just throw something in there on the
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  Speaker 2: tech round because you know, here's my mind thinking, well,
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  Speaker 2: if you have the let's say quality image of a fingerprint,
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  Speaker 2: clearly you can't use that to log in. But with
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  Speaker 2: three D printers these days, I can see someone using
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  Speaker 2: that as a templay to create a three D form
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  Speaker 2: image that could be used.
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  Speaker 1: That's that's the potential. Most newer good biometric scanners also
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  Speaker 1: do things like tests to see is there a heat there.
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  Speaker 1: It's not just the image. There are some other tests
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  Speaker 1: they perform to try to figure out is this actually
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  Speaker 1: a human being touching this thing? But I guess my
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  Speaker 1: bigger point is this is not something I would spend
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  Speaker 1: a lot of time worrying about. But I also don't
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  Speaker 1: take selfies holding up the peace sign. I'm not going
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  Speaker 1: to show you my fingerprints if I can help. It
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  Speaker 1: doesn't mean though that like for example, if you, you know,
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  Speaker 1: you get out and speak at public events, you know,
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  Speaker 1: could someone take a picture of you holding up your
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  Speaker 1: hand just gesturing while you're talking. Happened potentially still, your fingerprints.
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  Speaker 2: Happened all the I mean, I'm stealing my fingerprints is
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  Speaker 2: one thing, But I mean, yeah, I've had my hand
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  Speaker 2: up a gazillion times in pictures, right, so it happened.
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  Speaker 2: I don't even think about something like that.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, And I guess that's my point. I think this
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  Speaker 1: is not a giant risk to the average person, at
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  Speaker 1: least not yet. Yeah, but I do think I do
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  Speaker 1: think it's something worth thinking about. And again, if you're
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  Speaker 1: out in public, if you're gesturing, if people are taking pictures,
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  Speaker 1: you know, or if you're someone who just can't resist
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  Speaker 1: the urge to take a selfie making the peace sign,
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  Speaker 1: well turn your fingers the other direction, you know. I
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  Speaker 1: hate that we're at a place where you have to
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  Speaker 1: think about these kind of things. But the main defense
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  Speaker 1: to this other than don't let people take pictures of you,
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  Speaker 1: which is now impossible thanks to smart glasses and garbage
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  Speaker 1: like that. You know, I can tell you, as someone
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  Speaker 1: who does a lot of public speaking in the future, yes,
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  Speaker 1: I will be trying to not show my fingerprints.
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  Speaker 2: Well, let me ask you this, because the event was
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  Speaker 2: out yesterday. Thank you to Dan Reaganold and Kevin Nichols
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  Speaker 2: for providing some adult beverages. I did have a couple
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  Speaker 2: of beers while I was there. It wouldn't have been
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  Speaker 2: a lot easier. Or if someone really one of my
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  Speaker 2: fingerprints had just pulled a beer bottle out of the
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  Speaker 2: garbage can because I didn't have gloves on when I
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  Speaker 2: was drinking like most people do.
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  Speaker 1: Probably, but would your average you know the thing about
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  Speaker 1: this right? Yes, I certainly. If you have forensics expertise,
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  Speaker 1: you can go get the beer bottle, the coffee cup
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  Speaker 1: or whatever dust it get the fingerprints off of it.
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  Speaker 1: But you got to have some expertise in that area.
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  Speaker 1: You got to have physical access to that stuff, versus
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  Speaker 1: here's a person. You know. I think we've talked about
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  Speaker 1: this North Korean hacker thing, and I have a story
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  Speaker 1: I'll maybe we'll talk about next week. But my point is, if,
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  Speaker 1: for example, you were a North Korean hacker and you
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  Speaker 1: were working in a company and there was an employee
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  Speaker 1: there and you want an access to their account, could
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  Speaker 1: you find a picture of them and use their fingerprints
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  Speaker 1: in the ways we've described here to get into their account. Maybe? Maybe, Again,
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  Speaker 1: don't I don't think the average person needs to lose
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  Speaker 1: sleep over this. But as technology improves, the resolution of
• 15:54
  Speaker 1: cameras continues to improve, AI continues to advance and be
• 15:58
  Speaker 1: able to take a sure enhance it, it's something to
• 16:02
  Speaker 1: at least think about, So I think it's worth warning folks. Again,
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  Speaker 1: I'm not losing a lot of sleep over it, but
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  Speaker 1: I can tell you I will not be waving my
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  Speaker 1: hands around in a way where someone could easily capture
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  Speaker 1: a picture of my fingerprints and use them for some
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  Speaker 1: nefarious purpose.
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  Speaker 2: So what I'm hearing is don't worry about it. But
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  Speaker 2: Dave is already worrying about it. That's what I'm hearing.
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  Speaker 2: And Dave, you will be around when in the next
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  Speaker 2: moment in the development of intelligence with computers and all
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  Speaker 2: the like, when we should start worrying about it, and
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  Speaker 2: you'll let us know the day that that happens.
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  Speaker 1: Right, And yes, and you know, Brian, I am the
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  Speaker 1: tinfoil hat guy, so I can't help it when I
• 16:36
  Speaker 1: see these things, It's like, well, that's potentially bad. So
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  Speaker 1: it is.
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  Speaker 2: You know, Yes, some terrible things coming along with these,
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  Speaker 2: with these improvements technologically, but also some wonderful things. That's
• 16:47
  Speaker 2: for us to balance the benefits and the wrist, which
• 16:49
  Speaker 2: is why we have Dave had or blessed interest It
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  Speaker 2: sponsors this valuable segment every week. You'll be on next
• 16:54
  Speaker 2: week with the play You'll have the pleasure of Gary
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  Speaker 2: Jeff Walker. I'll be off next week dealing with my
• 16:59
  Speaker 2: chemo aftermath and clearing my head up so I can
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  Speaker 2: come back in a week and hopefully hit the ground running.
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  Speaker 2: So I hope you enjoy talking to him. I will
• 17:05
  Speaker 2: obviously check out the podcast of that conversation and look
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  Speaker 2: forward to talking with you in two weeks. Dave Hatter,
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  Speaker 2: have a wonderful weekend and thank you for everything you
• 17:13
  Speaker 2: do for my listening audience.
• 17:15
  Speaker 1: Yeah, always my pleasure. Brian, best of luck, say some
• 17:18
  Speaker 1: prayers for you. Thanks, look forward to talking to you
• 17:20
  Speaker 1: when he gets back.
• 17:21
  Speaker 2: I look forward to talking to you as I always do.
• 17:23
  Speaker 2: We'll see you then, don't go away after the top
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