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Full Show Podcast: 21 October 2026 · Early Edition with Ryan Bridge

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  Speaker 1: The issues, the interviews and the insight. Andrew Dickens on
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  Speaker 1: Early Edition with Spark for Business, technology that keeps business moving.
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  Speaker 2: Well, good morning to you and welcome to the program.
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  Speaker 2: And thank you for choosing us. And we're together for
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  Speaker 2: the last time. Ryan is back tomorrow. Today on the program,
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  Speaker 2: another report on our surging drug use, this time on overdoses.
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  Speaker 2: What does it reveal? We'll break down Labor's plan to
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  Speaker 2: cut ED wait times. And retail crime arrests are up 300%.
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  Speaker 2: So what are we doing right? Gavin Gray from the UK,
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  Speaker 2: as Prince Harry offers an olive branch. And correspondents from
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  Speaker 2: right around New Zealand. News as it breaks, and you
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  Speaker 2: can have your say on the text. 9292, small charge applies. Well,
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  Speaker 2: it's Wednesday the 21st of October.
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  Speaker 3: U.S.
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  Speaker 2: Special Envoy Steve Witkoff and Ukraine's Volodymyr Zelensky are set
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  Speaker 2: to meet in Norway. It's happening later today. It comes
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  Speaker 2: as Marco Rubio rejects claims that U.S. intelligence restrictions are
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  Speaker 2: costing Ukrainian lives.
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  Speaker 4: But I think the president, more than anything, is responding
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  Speaker 4: to the insinuation that somehow he is doing things to
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  Speaker 4: deliberately harm Ukraine, which is not fair.
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  Speaker 2: And not true.
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  Speaker 4: But he's most certainly angry and frustrated at the lack
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  Speaker 4: of progress in those negotiations.
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  Speaker 2: Now, the latest UK report into the COVID pandemic, this
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  Speaker 2: is the sixth, makes for grim reading. It looks at
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  Speaker 2: the 48,000 deaths in care homes and it dismisses claims
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  Speaker 2: from former Health Secretary Matt Hancock that officials had thrown
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  Speaker 2: a protective ring around care homes. And bereaved families have
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  Speaker 2: described that promise as a cruel lie.
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  Speaker 5: Matt Hancock sat in a room with Boris Johnson and
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  Speaker 5: made the decision to discharge hospital patients into care homes
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  Speaker 5: without testing. My father was a Windrush pioneer. He caught
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  Speaker 5: COVID in the nursing home where he died. When he
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  Speaker 5: became ill, we could only see him. Through his care
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  Speaker 5: home window, I was not even able to hold his hand.
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  Speaker 2: Oh, bad memories. And apparently they ran out of PPE,
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  Speaker 2: so staff made their own out of bin bags and
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  Speaker 2: festival ponchos. And finally, in big royal news this morning,
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  Speaker 2: Prince Harry says he wants to patch things up with
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  Speaker 2: his family. He's been talking to GQ magazine. He says
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  Speaker 2: he hopes to repair his relationships with his father and
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  Speaker 2: his brother.
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  Speaker 6: He said, some people don't want it to work out.
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  Speaker 6: I want it to work out. With everything else that's
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  Speaker 6: going on in the world, the most important thing is
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  Speaker 6: to reconcile. That's the key point. And he goes on
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  Speaker 6: to say, letting go of the past, that's something I
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  Speaker 6: would encourage everyone to do.
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  Speaker 2: Meanwhile, his dad, King Charles, is entertaining the Sultan of Omar,
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  Speaker 2: who's there on a state visit.
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  Speaker 1: News and views you trust to start your day. It's
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  Speaker 1: early edition with Andrew Dickens and Spark for Business. Technology
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  Speaker 1: that keeps business moving. Newstalk ZB.
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  Speaker 2: So it's nine minutes after five. The minor party debate
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  Speaker 2: is tonight. Sorry, Winston. I mean, the kingmaker debate.
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  Speaker 7: Sorry.
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  Speaker 2: I mean, the power broker debate. Whatever. And once again,
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  Speaker 2: this is my prediction that Quile Wong will do her
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  Speaker 2: best impression of being a reasonable centrist who could work
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  Speaker 2: with anyone. That's an act I don't buy. This party
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  Speaker 2: started on the hustings with the citizens' income and the
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  Speaker 2: land tax. They haven't suddenly abandoned their beliefs, or if
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  Speaker 2: they have, that makes them even more unelectable because they
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  Speaker 2: blow in the wind. And what's really weird about it
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  Speaker 2: is the number of national faithful who are flirting with
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  Speaker 2: them because they seem reasonable and middle class and business
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  Speaker 2: friendly and they might help national get back into power.
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  Speaker 2: But they're not. Simply, just look at the land tax. 1.75%
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  Speaker 2: on unimproved value. So, Asset-rich but cash-poor homeowners, particularly retirees,
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  Speaker 2: could face significant annual tax bills. Land values, especially in Auckland,
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  Speaker 2: make the tax substantial for many homeowners. Economists suggest such
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  Speaker 2: a tax could reduce house values by about 10% to 15%.
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  Speaker 2: Estimates do vary. Farmers will be hit the most. You've
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  Speaker 2: got a $ 4 million farm? Welcome to an $ 80, 000 tax bill.
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  Speaker 2: And this will be a tax that you pay every
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  Speaker 2: single year. So it's radical and it's nutty and it
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  Speaker 2: will hit industry and farming the most. And it was
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  Speaker 2: one of their core beliefs that they've dropped on the
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  Speaker 2: campaign trail. They'll never get it over the line, though. But,
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  Speaker 2: you know, they believed in it at the beginning. And
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  Speaker 2: that's a fundamental belief. And leopards don't change their spots.
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  Speaker 1: Zedby.
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  Speaker 2: We had stories yesterday about our surging, well, last week,
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  Speaker 2: should I say, about our surging cocaine use, and now
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  Speaker 2: we've got a new report, and this time the Drug
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  Speaker 2: Foundation has looked at overdoses, and it's very sad reading.
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  Speaker 2: We'll look at this in just a few moments' time.
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  Speaker 2: It's 11 after 5.
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  Speaker 1: edition with Andrew Dickens and Spark for Business. Technology that
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  Speaker 1: keeps business moving. Newstalk ZB.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, it's now 13 minutes after five, so a new
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  Speaker 2: report out from the Drug Foundation says three New Zealanders
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  Speaker 2: a week are needlessly dying to overdoses. Last year we
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  Speaker 2: had 169 people dying because of an accidental overdose. We've
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  Speaker 2: had 1,440 in the last decade. And Sarah Helm is
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  Speaker 2: the Executive Director of the Drug Foundation and joins me now.
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  Speaker 2: Good morning to you, Sarah.
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  Speaker 7: Good morning.
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  Speaker 2: This is sad and tragic news. So what are we
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  Speaker 2: overdosing on the most?
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  Speaker 7: Yeah, it's a lot of fatalities. It's a lot of
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  Speaker 7: wasted potential. Opioids are the leading cause of fatalities. And
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  Speaker 7: within that 10-year period, synthetic cannabinoids also feature. Benzodiazepines, that's
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  Speaker 7: things like diazepam. followed by alcohol and stimulants.
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  Speaker 2: And we mix drugs.
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  Speaker 7: We do, and in 85% of fatalities, the person had
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  Speaker 7: more than one thing in their system. Now, half of
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  Speaker 7: the time, that included alcohol, and alcohol is a depressant,
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  Speaker 7: so if you have a benzo or an opioid in
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  Speaker 7: your system plus alcohol, that can equate to death. But
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  Speaker 7: two depressants, your body might start shutting down.
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  Speaker 2: Are we getting better or are we going backwards?
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  Speaker 7: Yeah, well, we've gotten slightly worse over that time. And
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  Speaker 7: I think part of the issue was nobody's really calculated
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  Speaker 7: these stats before other than us in the last few years.
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  Speaker 7: So we now have a picture and we can do
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  Speaker 7: something about it. I mean, for example, who knew that
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  Speaker 7: 45 to 54-year-olds are the group that are most likely
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  Speaker 7: to die from overdose?
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  Speaker 8: Mm-hmm.
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  Speaker 2: So if you look at the numbers coming out of America,
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  Speaker 2: and I did this morning, and they're shocking, three deaths
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  Speaker 2: a week means we're actually, dare I say it, doing
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  Speaker 2: better or doing well in comparison. What do you put
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  Speaker 2: all that down to? Is this a scourge for us?
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  Speaker 2: Is this a worldwide trend that we are following? Or
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  Speaker 2: where do we stand?
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  Speaker 7: To compare domestically, it compares to, say, drownings. It's over
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  Speaker 7: twice the number of people we lose to drownings, or,
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  Speaker 7: for example, like over half the road toll, close to two-thirds.
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  Speaker 7: So compared to what we lose people to, it's concerning.
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  Speaker 7: I tried to do exactly what you did, and I
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  Speaker 7: looked at a table of European countries, and we sat
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  Speaker 7: in about the middle. But I was reminded by my
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  Speaker 7: science team that we can't quite do that because... the
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  Speaker 7: different countries will have measured it differently. However, we really
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  Speaker 7: want to see these figures become government stats and they
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  Speaker 7: could do a better job of that comparison.
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  Speaker 2: Well, what is the job that we can do better?
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  Speaker 2: How can we fix this in any way?
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  Speaker 7: Well, I think one of the things is we don't
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  Speaker 7: have a national surveillance system. A charity is trying to
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  Speaker 7: cobble these stats together. They should be held by government.
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  Speaker 7: We should have a national plan. And there are some
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  Speaker 7: specific things, like Australia has this amazing, very successful, for
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  Speaker 7: us it wouldn't even cost very much, naloxone, take-home naloxone scheme.
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  Speaker 7: Naloxone reverses opioid overdose, which is our leading cause of fatalities.
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  Speaker 7: We'd really love to see something like that. We have
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  Speaker 7: managed to get naloxone slightly more available, but we could
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  Speaker 7: do with that improvement, might bring those cases down.
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  Speaker 2: Fighting drugs with drugs.
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  Speaker 8: Yes.
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  Speaker 7: Well, yeah, medicine. Medicine can help, apparently, for sure.
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  Speaker 9: Okay.
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  Speaker 2: Sarah, thank you. I thank you for your time today.
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  Speaker 2: Sarah Helm is the Drug Foundation Executive Director. I saw
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  Speaker 2: an overdose the other day. It was outside a Rotorua hotel.
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  Speaker 2: Guy had obviously taken something in the car, struggled out
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  Speaker 2: of the car, collapsed into a bush right by the lakeside.
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  Speaker 2: It was cold. It was a winter morning. Paramedics were
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  Speaker 2: tending him. I don't know if he made it. But
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  Speaker 2: watching what I saw is one of the saddest, miserable,
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  Speaker 2: most desperate things I've ever seen. Newstalk ZB. So let's
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  Speaker 2: talk more about health. Health is becoming the big issue,
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  Speaker 2: isn't it? It was the first thing that they did
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  Speaker 2: in the debate last night, and health has really come
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  Speaker 2: to the fore. And now we've got Labour promising to
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  Speaker 2: cut ED wait times. Is this an achievable promise? We'll
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  Speaker 2: look at this story next. It is now 17 after 5.
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  Speaker 1: The early edition full show podcast on iHeartRadio, powered by
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  Speaker 1: Newstalk ZB. Before the news breaks, hear it first. Andrew
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  Speaker 1: Dickens on Early Edition with Spark for Business, technology that
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  Speaker 1: keeps business moving.
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  Speaker 2: News Talk ZB. Coming up 5.20 in the morning and
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  Speaker 2: Labour is promising to cut ED wait times. With an
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  Speaker 2: immediate review of hospital beds, they could open with the
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  Speaker 2: right staffing and they want greater accountability for patient care.
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  Speaker 10: Corridor care being routine, deaths in emergency departments and nurses
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  Speaker 10: declaring a state of emergency in them.
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  Speaker 11: Just this morning i met with some nurses who were
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  Speaker 11: saying they are at breaking point.
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  Speaker 2: And it also of course is promising three free gp
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  Speaker 2: visits and a job for every new eligible new zealand
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  Speaker 2: trained graduate nurse so to discuss this we have sarah
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  Speaker 2: dalton with us sarah's from the association of salary medical
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  Speaker 2: specialists she is the executive director good morning to you
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  Speaker 2: sarah Good morning.
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  Speaker 8: How are you?
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  Speaker 2: Very good. Ending the hiring freeze. Have we got the
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  Speaker 2: capacity and the money for that?
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  Speaker 12: Yeah, we absolutely have to end the hiring freeze. It
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  Speaker 12: has caused chaos in our hospitals. And I think there's
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  Speaker 12: a lot to like about this announcement. I know people
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  Speaker 12: are concerned about three free GP visits. Are there enough GPs?
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  Speaker 12: And I think the answer to that is no. So
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  Speaker 12: that is a real challenge. And I think the other
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  Speaker 12: thing that nobody is talking about is how many hospital
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  Speaker 12: doctors and dentists we have as well.
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  Speaker 13: Obviously, we're the union for senior doctors and dentists, but
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  Speaker 13: I am spending a lot of going around hospitals, talking
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  Speaker 13: to hospital managers about what they're doing, about addressing the
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  Speaker 13: gaps in senior doctor staffing.
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  Speaker 2: But my question, though, was do we have the capacity
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  Speaker 2: and the money for that? Okay, so we got 12
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  Speaker 2: new training places for dentists, the first ups in 10 years,
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  Speaker 2: and that was a promise that was made. two days
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  Speaker 2: ago by National. Do we have enough nurses in training
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  Speaker 2: and do we have enough money to pay for the
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  Speaker 2: nurses to end the hiring freeze and to get the
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  Speaker 2: doctors for the free GP visits? That's my question.
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  Speaker 12: Yeah, we do have the money for that. And I
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  Speaker 12: think it's really a question about choices. And it's also
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  Speaker 12: the costs that are hidden behind choosing not to make
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  Speaker 12: those and not to hire those people. You know, if
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  Speaker 12: you think about smaller parts of New Zealand, hospitals are
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  Speaker 12: often the largest local employer. By not investing in those hospitals,
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  Speaker 12: you are not investing in those communities. So there are
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  Speaker 12: economic challenges health disadvantages as well as health disadvantages for
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  Speaker 12: not investing in the health workforce we need.
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  Speaker 2: They want to train more extended care paramedics to treat
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  Speaker 2: people safely at home in the community or even in
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  Speaker 2: the street. Does that make sense?
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  Speaker 12: Yeah, look, I'm absolutely pro-investment in health workforce generally, but
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  Speaker 12: I would say that the gap in every political party's
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  Speaker 12: agenda from what I've seen so far, nobody's talking about
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  Speaker 12: the senior hospital doctors we need. Hospital doctors are key
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  Speaker 12: decision makers for patients being seen. So, you know, the
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  Speaker 12: hospital flow component of this policy announcement from Labour, which
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  Speaker 12: makes real sense. But the people who are the key
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  Speaker 12: decision makers there are senior doctors and nobody is talking
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  Speaker 12: about the need to reinvest in that workforce. That is
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  Speaker 12: something we would really love to see.
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  Speaker 2: I'm getting the feeling that you prefer Labour's plan to National's.
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  Speaker 8: Yeah, we do.
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  Speaker 12: Well, from what I've seen, there is more to like there.
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  Speaker 12: We do absolutely need to own up to the missing workforce.
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  Speaker 12: I have talked to the current Minister of Health multiple
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  Speaker 12: times about the need for workforce targets. I don't love
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  Speaker 12: the targets that are being used at the moment in
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  Speaker 12: the way they're working. But if a government has wedded
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  Speaker 12: to targets, where are the workforce targets? We need to
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  Speaker 12: invest in the people. At the moment, we're seeing gaming
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  Speaker 12: of targets. and we're seeing significant numbers of people missing
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  Speaker 12: out on care. The other thing we don't see here,
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  Speaker 12: we know from the College of Emergency Medicine that at
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  Speaker 12: least 8% of the people who show up in EDs
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  Speaker 12: leave before they're able to be seen because the waits
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  Speaker 12: are so long. So there's a whole business about unmet
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  Speaker 12: need that isn't being measured or owned up to. But yeah,
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  Speaker 12: workforce investment has to be a key part of any
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  Speaker 12: new government's health policy.
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  Speaker 2: Sarah Dalton, I thank you for your time today. The
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  Speaker 2: Executive Director of the Salaried Medical Specialists. Newstalk ZB 524.
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  Speaker 2: Newstalk ZB 526. I'm Andrew Dickens. Ryan is back tomorrow.
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  Speaker 2: He's hosting a debate tonight. You can watch it on
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  Speaker 2: TV3 or the Herald's website. Now, on the election the
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  Speaker 2: other day, Christopher Luxon sent conniptions through the commentariat when
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  Speaker 2: he said we'll be lucky to have a government by Christmas.
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  Speaker 2: Poor old Heather had a meltdown about that. But you
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  Speaker 2: know what? I am not surprised about the Prime Minister
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  Speaker 2: saying that. So we have an election on November the 7th.
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  Speaker 2: Rit Day is December the 3rd. Now, that is a
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  Speaker 2: deadline that's already been set for all the votes to
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  Speaker 2: be counted. That's three weeks after the election. Guess what?
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  Speaker 2: It's always been three weeks after the election. So the
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  Speaker 2: Rit Day hasn't changed. And here's the thing. Same day,
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  Speaker 2: voting was removed from this election. And the reason given
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  Speaker 2: was to make the vote count faster. If it's not faster,
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  Speaker 2: then the allegations of electoral manipulation will be strengthened. And
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  Speaker 2: people will start saying this was done to disenfranchise the
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  Speaker 2: votes of the lazy, the ignorant and the young. So
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  Speaker 2: let's watch to see if they beat that deadline. But
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  Speaker 2: let's just say it's the start. We know the vote
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  Speaker 2: by the start of December. OK, then the negotiations begin
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  Speaker 2: with the so-called minor parties looking to have a stronger
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  Speaker 2: hand because the minor parties are turning into medium parties.
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  Speaker 2: And that's going to slow things down. Chloe's going to
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  Speaker 2: sit there going, I want to be the minister of finance.
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  Speaker 2: Winston's going to be saying, I want to be deputy
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  Speaker 2: prime minister the whole term. I don't know what will happen,
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  Speaker 2: but the negotiations will be slower. Then there's Christmas, then
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  Speaker 2: there's the January holiday. And all this depends on whether
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  Speaker 2: the mandate is clear from November the 7th, which it
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  Speaker 2: is fair to say is currently looking murky. So it's
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  Speaker 2: going to be a while. And I think Christmas seems
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  Speaker 2: like a forlorn hope to me. February seems far more likely,
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  Speaker 2: or sometime in January. And then after that, I have
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  Speaker 2: odds on any coalition being quite shaky. And then I
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  Speaker 2: think it's an even bet whether we'll be back to
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  Speaker 2: the polls in a year. So buckle yourself in. It's
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  Speaker 2: going to be a wild ride.
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  Speaker 1: News Talk ZB.
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  Speaker 2: So I just had some council elections in Canada, in
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  Speaker 2: British Columbia, in a little town called Kalauna, which is
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  Speaker 2: a lovely little town, which is on a lovely little lake.
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  Speaker 2: And a guy called Brady has been elected. He's 33.
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  Speaker 2: And he went viral with campaign signs. So he did
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  Speaker 2: the thing that we do, you know, put the big
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  Speaker 2: signs up by the sides of the road. So there
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  Speaker 2: were campaign signs all over the place. And these are
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  Speaker 2: the signs that he had all over Kalauna in British Columbia.
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  Speaker 2: One sign said, I barely want to do this. Another
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  Speaker 2: sign said, just trying to pay my rent. Another sign said, fine,
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  Speaker 2: I'll do it. Another sign said, how hard can it be?
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  Speaker 2: Another sign said, do I enjoy politics?
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  Speaker 7: No.
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  Speaker 2: Do I know what I'm doing?
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  Speaker 7: No.
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  Speaker 2: But am I qualified? Also no. Also no. So anyway,
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  Speaker 2: Brady ended up finishing fourth out of 37. He got
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  Speaker 2: 12,635 votes. And so he's now on the council.
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  Speaker 9: Well done.
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  Speaker 2: As somebody said, finally, some political promises that aren't lies.
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  Speaker 2: And he says he's a small business owner and he
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  Speaker 2: is serious about tackling homelessness, housing affordability and supporting small businesses. Meanwhile,
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  Speaker 2: here we have, of course, the leaders debates. And I
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  Speaker 2: heard Mike talking yesterday saying we could do something about
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  Speaker 2: this format. It's getting dull. I didn't watch the one
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  Speaker 2: last night. Thankfully, though, my producer, Kenzie, has gone through it.
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  Speaker 2: She's done some God's work for you. And so coming
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  Speaker 2: up very shortly, I'll give you the Reader's Digest. We'll
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  Speaker 2: call it something else. We'll call it the News Talk ZB,
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  Speaker 2: condensed version of the debate last night, hosted by Paddy Gower.
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  Speaker 2: I know, you can't wait. I know you're just so excited.
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  Speaker 2: And later, of course, Gavin Gray from the UK, as
• 17:25
  Speaker 2: Prince Harry sends out an olive branch to his family
• 17:28
  Speaker 2: to reconcile, and he does it through GQ magazine. Oh,
• 17:32
  Speaker 2: welcome to 2026.
• 17:32
  Speaker 12: News is next.
• 17:52
  Speaker 1: No, the baddest place ain't in LA The news you
• 18:00
  Speaker 1: need this morning and the in-depth analysis Early Edition with
• 18:04
  Speaker 1: Andrew Dickens and Spark for Business Technology that keeps business
• 18:08
  Speaker 1: moving Newstalk ZB.
• 18:16
  Speaker 2: Hey, good morning to you and welcome to your Wednesday.
• 18:18
  Speaker 2: This is the last time we'll be together because Ryan's
• 18:20
  Speaker 2: back tomorrow after he hosts this debate tonight. More detail
• 18:23
  Speaker 2: on that a bit later on and speaking about debates.
• 18:26
  Speaker 2: We actually had a debate last night. It was on
• 18:28
  Speaker 2: the Stuff website. I didn't watch it. You didn't watch it.
• 18:30
  Speaker 2: But thankfully, my producer, Kenzie, has been magnificent and watched
• 18:35
  Speaker 2: it for us. Thank you so much. So what happened
• 18:38
  Speaker 2: with this debate? We had Luxor and we had Hipkins,
• 18:40
  Speaker 2: of course, the Moderators were Paddy Gower and also Luke Malpass,
• 18:44
  Speaker 2: who is a staff writer and editor. We had a panel,
• 18:47
  Speaker 2: Matthew Hooton, Carmela Heyman, Marnie Dunlop. They gave the whole
• 18:52
  Speaker 2: thing to Hipkins at the end. Gee, no surprise. So
• 18:55
  Speaker 2: what happened? Well, it started strong with health. They called
• 18:58
  Speaker 2: each other liars over the number of nurses hired. That's
• 19:02
  Speaker 2: simply not true. And into across regional New Zealand as well.
• 19:05
  Speaker 11: You've hired 54 new nurses.
• 19:06
  Speaker 9: You're claiming the.
• 19:07
  Speaker 11: Credit for thousands of nurses that were employed by Labour.
• 19:11
  Speaker 14: There are 2,100 extra nurses from when I started on
• 19:14
  Speaker 14: day one to where we are today. There are 900
• 19:17
  Speaker 14: extra doctors.
• 19:19
  Speaker 2: And then Chris Hipkins accused the National Party of being
• 19:22
  Speaker 2: slow on the social media ban.
• 19:25
  Speaker 11: I chose not to.
• 19:26
  Speaker 14: No, no, Chris, I mean, you know what happened. We've
• 19:28
  Speaker 14: ended up building up a bill. We've looked at what's
• 19:29
  Speaker 14: happened in Australia. We've looked at what's happened in Europe.
• 19:32
  Speaker 11: You introduced that bill. It needed one hour to read
• 19:35
  Speaker 11: it in Parliament, give it a first reading. We gave
• 19:36
  Speaker 11: you the numbers to do that, and despite 50 hours,
• 19:39
  Speaker 11: you wouldn't prioritise one hour to do it.
• 19:41
  Speaker 2: Here's a question for you. Will Hipkins repeal the move-on orders?
• 19:44
  Speaker 11: We will repeal the criminalisation of homelessness, and we will
• 19:47
  Speaker 11: focus on eliminating homelessness, making them criminalised.
• 19:50
  Speaker 2: Will not do that.
• 19:51
  Speaker 8: So you'll repeal it?
• 19:52
  Speaker 11: We will repeal the criminalisation.
• 19:53
  Speaker 2: Oh, you'll be pleased to know they did actually talk
• 19:55
  Speaker 2: about debt.
• 19:56
  Speaker 11: I will put our track record of paying back debt
• 19:58
  Speaker 11: against yours any day of the week. When National became
• 20:01
  Speaker 11: the government in.
• 20:02
  Speaker 2: 2009, there was.
• 20:04
  Speaker 11: No debt when National became the government in 2009. Half
• 20:07
  Speaker 11: of today's debt was accumulated by National government.
• 20:10
  Speaker 14: We're talking about 2009, we're interested in talking about 2040.
• 20:13
  Speaker 2: And both of the men had a few jabs about
• 20:15
  Speaker 2: each other's coalition partners.
• 20:16
  Speaker 11: You've got a Minister of Foreign Affairs who makes racist
• 20:19
  Speaker 11: comments about Indians. How do you reconcile that?
• 20:22
  Speaker 14: You've got partners that want to be in coalition with
• 20:24
  Speaker 14: the mongrel mob, my friend.
• 20:27
  Speaker 2: And then Christopher Lux of the Prime Minister actually said
• 20:29
  Speaker 2: the strongest thing he's ever said about the Iran war.
• 20:31
  Speaker 14: It's very confused as to what the objectives are. You
• 20:33
  Speaker 14: refuse to continue the bombing of a school. Has a
• 20:36
  Speaker 14: nuclear weapon program been halted? It doesn't appear to be so.
• 20:39
  Speaker 14: We now have Iran applying maximum leverage in the Hormuz Strait.
• 20:42
  Speaker 14: I think it's been a strategic and a military failure.
• 20:44
  Speaker 2: And the leader of the Labour Party got a bit
• 20:45
  Speaker 2: of a laugh from the crowd over the issue of
• 20:49
  Speaker 2: school attendance.
• 20:50
  Speaker 14: You didn't record kids' attendance at schools.
• 20:52
  Speaker 2: I get the schools.
• 20:52
  Speaker 11: So if we didn't record attendance at schools, how is
• 20:54
  Speaker 11: it that you're able to say it was so bad?
• 20:56
  Speaker 14: Well, because there's.
• 20:57
  Speaker 9: Two and a half.
• 20:58
  Speaker 2: Ho, ho, ho. Christopher Luxon tried some humour too.
• 21:00
  Speaker 11: We've got real issues. We've got real issues around the
• 21:03
  Speaker 11: lack of regulation in the online environment.
• 21:06
  Speaker 3: Yeah, I've got issues with the algorithm like a lot
• 21:07
  Speaker 3: of people.
• 21:08
  Speaker 2: And there we go. I just saved you 90 minutes.
• 21:10
  Speaker 2: And I thank you again, Producer Kenzie. It is now
• 21:13
  Speaker 2: 20 to 6.
• 21:14
  Speaker 1: News Talk ZB.
• 21:16
  Speaker 2: Round the country we go. Callum Proctor from Dunedin. Good
• 21:18
  Speaker 2: morning to you.
• 21:19
  Speaker 15: Morning, Andrew.
• 21:20
  Speaker 2: Dunedin's getting slower.
• 21:23
  Speaker 15: Yep, some of our speed limits are set to come
• 21:25
  Speaker 15: down on numerous streets, roads around the city. This is
• 21:28
  Speaker 15: following a review of the city's draft speed management plan.
• 21:31
  Speaker 15: The city council is proposing to reduce limits on five
• 21:35
  Speaker 15: roads across the city. John Wilson Ocean Drive and Kettle
• 21:38
  Speaker 15: Park Road. two very popular recreational roads right on the beach.
• 21:42
  Speaker 15: They could slow from 50 to 30 k's an hour.
• 21:45
  Speaker 15: Others include Dalziel Road, top of the Dunedin, that one
• 21:48
  Speaker 15: that could drop from 70 to 50 or 60, and
• 21:51
  Speaker 15: a stretch of Three Mile Hill Road, which could come
• 21:53
  Speaker 15: down from 80 to 60.
• 21:55
  Speaker 2: That's a high accident zone, that one.
• 21:56
  Speaker 15: The council says these proposals would better reflect the way
• 22:00
  Speaker 15: these roads are being used. Today, public consultation open until
• 22:03
  Speaker 15: November 30th.
• 22:04
  Speaker 2: I thought the government had some rules about stopping that,
• 22:07
  Speaker 2: but there we go. How's your weather? Yeah, it's good today.
• 22:09
  Speaker 15: Fine light winds, the high 23 for Dunedin today.
• 22:12
  Speaker 2: Claire Sherwood joins me from Christchurch. Hello, Claire.
• 22:14
  Speaker 16: Good morning.
• 22:15
  Speaker 2: It's official, your stadium is pretty.
• 22:17
  Speaker 10: Yes, well, we knew that, but Wellington Stadium is now
• 22:20
  Speaker 10: on the years list for the Prix Versailles, which is,
• 22:24
  Speaker 10: I guess, an awards ceremony that recognises architecture and design globally.
• 22:29
  Speaker 10: There are seven venues that will compete for further titles
• 22:32
  Speaker 10: recognising their architecture and design. That will come at a
• 22:35
  Speaker 10: Paris ceremony in December. The awards celebrate projects that specifically
• 22:40
  Speaker 10: combine culture, design with sustainability. So 1NZ Stadium's on there.
• 22:44
  Speaker 10: It's the only New Zealand venue on the list. Other
• 22:47
  Speaker 10: notable names include Canada's Coronation Park Centre and the Unipol
• 22:51
  Speaker 10: Dome in Milan. Now, Christchurch Mayor Phil Mage is very
• 22:54
  Speaker 10: excited about this. He says it's a great acknowledgement of
• 22:56
  Speaker 10: how far Christchurch has come and, of course, where it's heading.
• 23:00
  Speaker 2: And, of course, the weather is beautiful or not.
• 23:03
  Speaker 10: Yeah, pretty beautiful to be fair. A bit of low
• 23:04
  Speaker 10: cloud about early, then clearing to fine. North-Easterly is developing.
• 23:07
  Speaker 10: The high will be 21.
• 23:08
  Speaker 2: Max Toll joins us from Wellington. Hello, Max. Good morning.
• 23:11
  Speaker 2: You've got a local independent supermarket that's got an issue.
• 23:15
  Speaker 9: Well, not so much that it has an issue. This
• 23:18
  Speaker 9: is Plenty Foods, which is based up in Brewtown. It's
• 23:22
  Speaker 9: seeking $ 600, 000 via a capital raise. We did our best
• 23:26
  Speaker 9: to ask whether this was because they needed the money,
• 23:28
  Speaker 9: because they were struggling, or because they wanted to expand.
• 23:30
  Speaker 9: It seems it's because they want to expand. it's confident
• 23:34
  Speaker 9: it can be a small player in a big market.
• 23:35
  Speaker 9: It just wants to be a little bigger. They say
• 23:39
  Speaker 9: competing with the large chains is becoming easier as each
• 23:41
  Speaker 9: month passes, and they want to continue their community focus. Apparently,
• 23:45
  Speaker 9: in the past year, they had more repeat customers than
• 23:48
  Speaker 9: there are people in Upper Hutt. They can track this
• 23:51
  Speaker 9: via FPOS data. They say the numbers are growing and
• 23:55
  Speaker 9: there's no lack of confidence in the future of the business.
• 23:57
  Speaker 9: Perhaps looking at another store. That's me saying that. But
• 24:01
  Speaker 9: Plenty Foods seeking $ 600, 000.
• 24:02
  Speaker 2: Oh, I thought there was no competition in the supermarket sector.
• 24:06
  Speaker 2: But there we go. Well done, those guys. Good on you,
• 24:08
  Speaker 2: Plenty Foods. How's your weather? Yeah, fine today.
• 24:10
  Speaker 9: A good one again. Northerly's 19.
• 24:13
  Speaker 2: Andrew, how can we go? Good morning. Good morning. So
• 24:16
  Speaker 2: this parachutist, everyone's talking about this parachutist. Yes. What the
• 24:20
  Speaker 2: hell happened?
• 24:20
  Speaker 17: High drama. And look, I know, because we were calling him, him, parachutist,
• 24:24
  Speaker 17: but now it's gone to base jumper. So I've got
• 24:26
  Speaker 17: some fresh details. So now the base jumper, now a
• 24:29
  Speaker 17: base jumper is someone who leaps from fixed structures and
• 24:32
  Speaker 17: uses a parachute to land. So just to clear that technicality. Now,
• 24:36
  Speaker 17: this jumper has been hauled to safety through an apartment window. Now,
• 24:40
  Speaker 17: he became stranded 23 stories above central Auckland. So he
• 24:45
  Speaker 17: was left clinging to the outside. This is Hotel Indigo
• 24:48
  Speaker 17: on Albert Street after jumping from the 27th floor roof
• 24:52
  Speaker 17: last night.
• 24:53
  Speaker 2: Is that allowed?
• 24:55
  Speaker 17: Well, probably not. At 10 p.m. Because all of this
• 24:59
  Speaker 17: was unfolding at about 11 o'clock last night. And apparently
• 25:02
  Speaker 17: there were people downstairs, you know, like, well, downstairs. There
• 25:06
  Speaker 17: were a lot of people watching this and helicopters and
• 25:08
  Speaker 17: everything were there.
• 25:09
  Speaker 2: Going on.
• 25:10
  Speaker 17: So, fire and emergency, they activated a specialist high-angle rope rescue.
• 25:14
  Speaker 17: That happened just before 11pm. Crews worked to reach the
• 25:17
  Speaker 17: stranded jumper. The man was rescued. Now, this is interesting.
• 25:20
  Speaker 17: Minor injuries, didn't need to go to hospital. Counting as
• 25:24
  Speaker 17: lucky stars. At this stage, it's unclear how he became
• 25:27
  Speaker 17: stuck on the buildings.
• 25:28
  Speaker 2: So he went out there, did something really dodgy thinking
• 25:31
  Speaker 2: he'd show off to his mates and he screwed it
• 25:33
  Speaker 2: up and then he had to be rescued at great expense.
• 25:35
  Speaker 17: So when you think there he is jumping from the roof,
• 25:37
  Speaker 17: 27 floors, getting stuck on 23, the Herald have got
• 25:41
  Speaker 17: a video on it.
• 25:43
  Speaker 2: I can tell you, he ain't getting a phone call
• 25:45
  Speaker 2: from Red Bull anytime soon because he failed. And I
• 25:48
  Speaker 2: thank you. How's the weather?
• 25:49
  Speaker 17: OK, Cloudy, not a good day to be a base chump,
• 25:52
  Speaker 17: I can tell you that.
• 25:53
  Speaker 2: 18 is the high. It is. Don't encourage them again, Eva.
• 25:56
  Speaker 2: 16 minutes to 6. Another little story out of Auckland yesterday.
• 25:59
  Speaker 2: A large swarm of bees caused a bit of a
• 26:02
  Speaker 2: stir when they settled on a car in a Birkenhead
• 26:05
  Speaker 2: car park. They smothered the entire car. The swarm of bees.
• 26:08
  Speaker 2: Nobody got hurt. The bees weren't angry. But the weird
• 26:10
  Speaker 2: thing was there was a guy actually sleeping inside the car.
• 26:12
  Speaker 2: What's the guy doing sleeping inside the car? And imagine
• 26:16
  Speaker 2: waking up and going, what the hell is happening to
• 26:17
  Speaker 2: my car? There's bees everywhere. The bees were not hurt.
• 26:21
  Speaker 2: News Talk ZB. Gavin Gray from the UK in a
• 26:24
  Speaker 2: few moments' time. Prince Harry's offered an olive branch to
• 26:27
  Speaker 2: his family. And then before the hour is out, we're
• 26:34
  Speaker 2: going to talk about retail crime. Guess what? The arrest
• 26:37
  Speaker 2: rate's up three times, up 300%. So what are we
• 26:40
  Speaker 2: doing right now? So New Zealand got a lot right
• 26:43
  Speaker 2: when we set up KiwiSaver, and one of those things
• 26:45
  Speaker 2: was just how easy it is to switch providers. But
• 26:47
  Speaker 2: the thing is, how do you choose your KiwiSaver provider?
• 26:50
  Speaker 2: Of course, you look at the returns, but you also
• 26:53
  Speaker 2: should look at the guys who have won the awards
• 26:55
  Speaker 2: because anyone can say they're the best, but official recognition
• 26:58
  Speaker 2: doesn't come easy. So here we go. Milford has again
• 27:01
  Speaker 2: been named CanStar's KiwiSaver provider for the year. This is
• 27:05
  Speaker 2: the record seventh year in a row. Milford is also
• 27:09
  Speaker 2: the only KiwiSaver provider to be named a Consumer New
• 27:12
  Speaker 2: Zealand People's Choice Award winner. And guess what? They've done
• 27:15
  Speaker 2: that nine years in a row. And that level of
• 27:17
  Speaker 2: consistency is the reason to choose Milford. Past performance is
• 27:21
  Speaker 2: not a reliable indicator of future performance. Investment involves risks.
• 27:25
  Speaker 2: And returns can be negative as well as positive. And
• 27:27
  Speaker 2: Milford Funds Limited is the issuer of the Milford KiwiSaver plan.
• 27:31
  Speaker 2: So go to milfordasset.com to read the Milford KiwiSaver plan
• 27:36
  Speaker 2: product disclosure statement. So to the UK we go, and
• 27:46
  Speaker 2: Gavin Gray, good morning to you, Gavin.
• 27:47
  Speaker 8: Hi there, Andrew.
• 27:49
  Speaker 2: The big news announced through the official channel known as
• 27:51
  Speaker 2: GQ magazine is that Prince Harry would like to reconcile
• 27:54
  Speaker 2: with his father and brother.
• 27:56
  Speaker 3: Yes, and what's interesting are some of his comments that
• 27:59
  Speaker 3: he made to GQ, a men's fashion magazine. He said,
• 28:02
  Speaker 3: and I quote, some people don't want to work it out.
• 28:04
  Speaker 3: I want to work it out. And then, of course,
• 28:07
  Speaker 3: people said, hang on a minute, who doesn't want to
• 28:09
  Speaker 3: work it out? Is he talking about the king, his father?
• 28:12
  Speaker 3: Is he talking about Prince William? He's been back in
• 28:15
  Speaker 3: this country now a number of months, and it doesn't
• 28:17
  Speaker 3: look like he and his brother have met up. He
• 28:20
  Speaker 3: was also asked by the GQ interview, basically, you know,
• 28:24
  Speaker 3: why did you come back.
• 28:25
  Speaker 2: To the UK?
• 28:26
  Speaker 3: And he said, oh, opportunities for the family, being able
• 28:29
  Speaker 3: to put the kids in a British school, all very odd,
• 28:32
  Speaker 3: very unminded, and he just said that he wouldn't have
• 28:34
  Speaker 3: felt safe when he came back. Anyway, he says he's
• 28:36
  Speaker 3: enjoying it here, and that must be good news, I guess.
• 28:38
  Speaker 3: We're all concerned. But telling this to a men's magazine,
• 28:44
  Speaker 3: it's a pretty bizarre turn of events. But anyway, he
• 28:46
  Speaker 3: seems to be cracking on with life here and enjoying it.
• 28:49
  Speaker 2: I think he probably didn't want his kids to have
• 28:51
  Speaker 2: an American accent, to be fair. Okay, and no other
• 28:56
  Speaker 2: response from anybody from the other side? No going, oh, thanks, Harry. No, no,
• 29:02
  Speaker 2: not yet.
• 29:03
  Speaker 12: All right.
• 29:03
  Speaker 2: Because I know the King is looking after the Sultan
• 29:05
  Speaker 2: of Omar right now in a state visit, so he
• 29:07
  Speaker 2: might be a bit busy. And I thank you for
• 29:09
  Speaker 2: your time, Gavin Gray, 1026. So police arrests for retail
• 29:14
  Speaker 2: crime are through the roof. There were over 21,000 arrests
• 29:18
  Speaker 2: for retail crime in the year to June. That is
• 29:20
  Speaker 2: three times as many as the previous four years. Carolyn
• 29:25
  Speaker 2: Young is the CEO of Retail New Zealand. Good morning
• 29:28
  Speaker 2: to you, Carolyn.
• 29:29
  Speaker 8: Well, hello, Andrew.
• 29:31
  Speaker 2: You'll be very happy that these figures are big.
• 29:34
  Speaker 8: Yeah, look, it's taken a concerted effort from everyone and
• 29:38
  Speaker 8: the National Retail Crime Unit that was set up in
• 29:43
  Speaker 8: 2022 has really understood the landscape that they're working in.
• 29:49
  Speaker 8: They work on the data side of things. So in comparison,
• 29:52
  Speaker 8: the work that unit's been doing alongside the fact that
• 29:56
  Speaker 8: we now have a retail crime unit in every police
• 29:59
  Speaker 8: district across the country. Retailers are reporting more crime and
• 30:03
  Speaker 8: we're able to capture more offenders. That accounts for a
• 30:08
  Speaker 8: number of these issues. In retail crime, what we see
• 30:12
  Speaker 8: is 10% of offenders do 60% of the crime. Recidivist
• 30:16
  Speaker 8: offending is so high with retail crime that if you
• 30:19
  Speaker 8: capture some of those recidivist offenders, they get charged with
• 30:24
  Speaker 8: a significant number of offences, and that really makes a
• 30:27
  Speaker 8: difference to, you know, that they're not back out in
• 30:29
  Speaker 8: the street offending more. Yeah.
• 30:31
  Speaker 2: Well, it's the same with ram raiding, when ram raiding
• 30:33
  Speaker 2: was all the thing, which, by the way, in these
• 30:34
  Speaker 2: figures shows is completely fallen off. But when we actually
• 30:38
  Speaker 2: looked at it, there was only, you know, there's only
• 30:39
  Speaker 2: 100-odd kids who kept on doing it over and over
• 30:41
  Speaker 2: and over and over again.
• 30:43
  Speaker 8: That's right, exactly. And so, you know, what the retailers
• 30:45
  Speaker 8: have also done is they've put in place lots of
• 30:47
  Speaker 8: different tools and strategies to ensure that they limit the
• 30:52
  Speaker 8: ability for people to get away with offences. And if
• 30:54
  Speaker 8: you think about ram raids, there's a whole lot of
• 30:56
  Speaker 8: structural things that had to be put in place in
• 30:58
  Speaker 8: a number of locations for people's businesses to protect them
• 31:01
  Speaker 8: and make it more difficult for someone to ram raid
• 31:03
  Speaker 8: their store.
• 31:04
  Speaker 2: So are you prepared to give a high five to
• 31:05
  Speaker 2: the government who brought in these retail crime initiatives?
• 31:09
  Speaker 8: Yeah, look, the New Zealand Police are doing really well,
• 31:11
  Speaker 8: and obviously it's been driven both by the Police Commissioner
• 31:14
  Speaker 8: and the Minister of Police, so it's been a really
• 31:17
  Speaker 8: good outcome for retailers over the last few years.
• 31:19
  Speaker 2: Now, you were a critic of the citizens' arrest, so
• 31:23
  Speaker 2: does this data prove or work against your issues with
• 31:25
  Speaker 2: the new law?
• 31:26
  Speaker 8: It has nothing to do with citizens' arrest, to be
• 31:29
  Speaker 8: honest with you, because what we do know is that
• 31:32
  Speaker 8: in the first case, 43 days of the legislation there
• 31:36
  Speaker 8: have been 90 arrests, but the majority of them are
• 31:38
  Speaker 8: not in the retail setting. We do know that citizens'
• 31:42
  Speaker 8: arrest is not a preventative crime tool. It is something
• 31:47
  Speaker 8: that anybody can do anywhere, and there's a lot happening
• 31:50
  Speaker 8: in the domestic situation, not in a retail setting. And
• 31:54
  Speaker 8: to our concerns, we do know that there was a
• 31:57
  Speaker 8: situation with a young retail worker in a dairy who
• 32:00
  Speaker 8: was 19, chased three offenders down the street did a
• 32:05
  Speaker 8: citizen's arrest of a 13-year-old person and assaulted them when
• 32:11
  Speaker 8: they were dragging them back to the store. So now
• 32:14
  Speaker 8: it's in front of the court on charges of assault.
• 32:17
  Speaker 8: So that's the concern that you have, is that people
• 32:19
  Speaker 8: understanding what they need to do.
• 32:20
  Speaker 9: Gotcha.
• 32:21
  Speaker 2: Thank you. Retail New Zealand CEO Carolyn Young, don't apologise
• 32:25
  Speaker 2: for a thing. You were great. It is seven minutes
• 32:26
  Speaker 2: to six.
• 32:27
  Speaker 1: Andrew Dickens on Early Edition with Spark for Business. Technology
• 32:32
  Speaker 1: that keeps business moving.
• 32:34
  Speaker 2: Newstalk ZB. So I came into work this morning and
• 32:36
  Speaker 2: found that NZME, the people who employ us, have just
• 32:38
  Speaker 2: released their findings from the Edison Research Share of Ear
• 32:42
  Speaker 2: Study and reveals that Kiwis spend four hours, 25 minutes
• 32:45
  Speaker 2: daily on audio. Audio alone. Four hours, 25. Get working.
• 32:50
  Speaker 2: Apparently that's 12% more than the Americans. Homes where we
• 32:53
  Speaker 2: like to listen to stuff. And guess what? Radio is
• 32:56
  Speaker 2: still the most listened to thing. So we're still here, Mike. Yes,
• 32:59
  Speaker 2: we are. And thriving, Andrew. Yes, we are, mate. Reveling.
• 33:02
  Speaker 2: Reveling in it. Hey, thank you for your company over
• 33:05
  Speaker 2: the past two and a half weeks, because Ryan's back tomorrow.
• 33:08
  Speaker 2: Is he really? Apparently. That's the rumour, anyway. Haven't seen him.
• 33:11
  Speaker 16: Has he been spotted? Is there some sort of search
• 33:16
  Speaker 16: party out looking for him?
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, yeah. I think he's enjoyed the sleep. And no,
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  Speaker 2: that sleep is not great. I mean, he got an
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  Speaker 2: extra hour, man, when you're talking about 2.33 in the morning.
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  Speaker 16: I feel sort of sorry for him, because tonight he's
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  Speaker 16: got his last... And I think I speak for all
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  Speaker 16: of us, don't I?
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  Speaker 2: Yes, you do. I know what you're going to say.
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  Speaker 2: There have been too many.
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  Speaker 16: None of them really have educated us in any great way, shape,
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  Speaker 16: or form.
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  Speaker 2: The format's crap.
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  Speaker 16: And I think if you did a poll on are
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  Speaker 16: we glad that it's all over, most of us would be.
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  Speaker 2: I took maybe a good 60 seconds trying to find
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  Speaker 2: the website last night to watch it, and then do
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  Speaker 2: I really need to? I watched the whole.
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  Speaker 16: Thing this morning, and it was– I don't even know
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  Speaker 16: what to say. There was no better, there was no worse,
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  Speaker 16: and all the rest of it.
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  Speaker 2: It's a cycle style, right?
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  Speaker 16: There is no change. My great hope is that out
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  Speaker 16: of this we all can conclude that we need to
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  Speaker 16: change the format and do it differently next time. I
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  Speaker 16: hope we can actually vote. Well, I think we'll get
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  Speaker 16: to vote. Anyway, listen, Gerard, Gerard's sort of related. The
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  Speaker 16: Helen Haynes story in Australia is very sad, very serious business.
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  Speaker 16: Sir Gerry Brownlee, who's seen an extraordinary increase in the
• 34:21
  Speaker 16: level of security requirements, is on the programme this morning.
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  Speaker 2: Thank you, Producer Kenzie, Producer Sam. I'm Andrew Dickens. See
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  Speaker 2: you next time wherever.
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