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The Last of Us Special: Episode 4 · Stuff Mom Never Told You

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  Speaker 1: Hey, this is Annie and Samantha and welcome to Stephane
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  Speaker 1: Never told you production of I Heart Radio, and I
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  Speaker 1: am embarrassingly excited to continue doing this. Are mini series,
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  Speaker 1: are very special mini series about the Last of Us,
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  Speaker 1: the TV show which currently not a sponsor in any way. UM,
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  Speaker 1: which is a shame and really dropped the ball in
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  Speaker 1: my opinion. But here we are anyway, so maybe they
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  Speaker 1: were smarter. Um. There will be spoilers for the first
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  Speaker 1: four episodes of the show, but Samantha has been a
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  Speaker 1: really good guide for me about not spoiling the game.
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  Speaker 1: Although I maintain all of you who have listened to
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  Speaker 1: the show have not been spoiled. You are amazing, right.
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  Speaker 1: They might just bypass not realizing what it was. It's true,
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  Speaker 1: but I have realized. It's been a fun exercise for
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  Speaker 1: me because I've realized some of the things you talk
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  Speaker 1: about or I talk about specifically, but can be spoilers,
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  Speaker 1: even though they don't feel like they are. So I
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  Speaker 1: have to be really careful. I have to think about
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  Speaker 1: it a lot, but I'm looking out. I'm looking out
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  Speaker 1: for you because I want all of you who are
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  Speaker 1: watching it. I haven't been spoiled to enjoy the ride.
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  Speaker 1: There you go, And yeah, there's a whole lot of flips,
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  Speaker 1: and as we know, when it comes to made for
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  Speaker 1: TV or translated to screen, it's a little different from
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  Speaker 1: the game. But they've done a great job in keeping
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  Speaker 1: at least the spirit may being the directors and writers
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  Speaker 1: and the creators of the show. So you know, it's
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  Speaker 1: not too many spoilers in the game. There's not too
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  Speaker 1: many things. So we will let you know of some
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  Speaker 1: of the changes because any knows them in depth, in
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  Speaker 1: depth indeed, Yeah, because if it's not clear, like the
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  Speaker 1: Last of Us, if I had, you know, in um
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  Speaker 1: inside out where she's got like the here's her hockey
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  Speaker 1: world and here's that, the Last of Us would be
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  Speaker 1: one of mine. It's like one of my very favorite things.
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  Speaker 1: Um like, there's four parts to your world would be
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  Speaker 1: Star Wars, Last of Us, fan fiction and podcasting. Yes,
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  Speaker 1: that's essentially sums me up. If you've noticed these come
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  Speaker 1: out on Saturday. Uh, we are changing up the schedule
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  Speaker 1: a little bit. While this show runs, and it does
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  Speaker 1: run for nine episodes, it will the finale is on
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  Speaker 1: the twelfth, So the final episode, which might be a
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  Speaker 1: part two, should be and In the meantime, my Happy Hours,
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  Speaker 1: which come out twice a week, are replaced by these.
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  Speaker 1: I know it's kind of confusing, but essentially this is
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  Speaker 1: a special thing we're doing on Saturdays until like March,
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  Speaker 1: mid March is and then we'll re tour maybe to
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  Speaker 1: our regularly scheduled programming maybe, I mean, who knows. You know,
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  Speaker 1: we're all about flexibility. Yes, that's the key, and we
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  Speaker 1: love to switch it up for you. That's true. We
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  Speaker 1: gotta keep you on your toes. I did want to
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  Speaker 1: throw a quick content arning in for this one about
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  Speaker 1: gun violence and death. Nothing too in depth, but we
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  Speaker 1: will be talking about that. And yesterday we are talking
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  Speaker 1: about episode four, which was called Please Hold to My Hand,
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  Speaker 1: which is based on lyrics played from song and there.
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  Speaker 1: We'll talk about that more in a minute, but they
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  Speaker 1: have been doing that for the past couple of episodes,
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  Speaker 1: naming them after lyrics. I also want to say again
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  Speaker 1: we Samanthan and I are watching this together. And this
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  Speaker 1: was a fun one because we made a decaf coffee jack.
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  Speaker 1: Because it was a coffee coffee was featured throughout the episode. Right. Well,
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  Speaker 1: one of the things we find out in the game,
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  Speaker 1: as you would expect there. There's not a lot of
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  Speaker 1: coffee in zombie world post of focalypse, I guess, and
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  Speaker 1: so Joel misses it very much and when he finds it,
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  Speaker 1: he's so happy about it and drinks the worst type
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  Speaker 1: of coffee essentially, so to the worst type of coffee
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  Speaker 1: probably would be decafe. It was tasty, though, it was tasty. Yes,
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  Speaker 1: because we were watching at like nine pm. We're not
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  Speaker 1: gonna I'm not gonna drink and that would keep me up,
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  Speaker 1: thank you. Yes. Also, this is coming out too late
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  Speaker 1: for for anybody to really care about this. But the
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  Speaker 1: next episode, episode five, which I think is going to
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  Speaker 1: be one of the best, the best of the series,
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  Speaker 1: was originally slated to play against the Super Bowl, but
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  Speaker 1: oh no, what if I get introl for saying that?
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  Speaker 1: Never mind, don't come at me. They moved this streaming
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  Speaker 1: release date to this Friday, the Friday before the super Bowl.
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  Speaker 1: So what is that tenth? I don't know. You can
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  Speaker 1: figure it out, but because I keep trying to glean
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  Speaker 1: details from the descriptions, so I'll look up like on TV,
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  Speaker 1: guys like tell me how long it is and what
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  Speaker 1: the title is. And HBO is real kg about it.
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  Speaker 1: But they haven't released because it's only streaming on Friday. Ah, sneaky, sneaky.
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  Speaker 1: They can't give away everything any I know, but I
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  Speaker 1: want to. All Right, Well, shall we start as we
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  Speaker 1: always do with these, with your recap, Samantha, Yes, here
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  Speaker 1: we go. Are you already? Um? So we have left
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  Speaker 1: dear Frank and Bill's house. Um, they are on their trip. Uh.
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  Speaker 1: They camp because he's like, you know, we need to
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  Speaker 1: pull over. We're gonna we're gonna do a little camping.
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  Speaker 1: We discover between all of this he's siphoning gas and
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  Speaker 1: he doesn't know the science to it. No worries, No
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  Speaker 1: one does. Uh. Ellie has found a pun. Look what's
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  Speaker 1: the name of it? Anny, hold on? Let me get it.
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  Speaker 1: She actually has a copy. I do, And I'm going
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  Speaker 1: to read some puns at the end, so please stay
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  Speaker 1: tuned for that. I know they'll see anyone a right.
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  Speaker 1: It's called no Pun Intended volume to t o. Oh
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  Speaker 1: these puns cracked me up by Will Livingston. By Will Livingston.
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  Speaker 1: So here we see her start her puns, which we
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  Speaker 1: find Joel reticent in this process. But you know, whatever,
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  Speaker 1: she's like, get ready for more. Um, we know that
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  Speaker 1: Ellie has stolen a gun and Joel has no idea
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  Speaker 1: about that, so that will come into play. We get
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  Speaker 1: to their first campsite and they've eaten twenty year old
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  Speaker 1: chef Boyardi Ravioli, which you know what, I'm a fan.
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  Speaker 1: I'm not gonna lie, not a sponsor, but I will
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  Speaker 1: eat that crap, this crap, we know this, but I
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  Speaker 1: will eat it. But they have the conversation and she
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  Speaker 1: shovels it down and Pedro Pascal does the thing that
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  Speaker 1: I hate and pretends to eat it but just keeps
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  Speaker 1: chopping away at it and never takes a bite. I
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  Speaker 1: really hate that, Like, at least pretend to take a bite. Anyway,
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  Speaker 1: they go to sleep, she tells a pun which was
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  Speaker 1: she says, why did the scarecrow win an award? And
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  Speaker 1: then silence. Joel says because he was outstanding in his field.
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  Speaker 1: So Joel is participating when she's like, you dick, my
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  Speaker 1: favorite phrase, and she was like, are we really okay?
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  Speaker 1: Because he said that they couldn't do a fire, and
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  Speaker 1: she asked, are the I don't think we're too far
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  Speaker 1: out to have any infected out here, and he was like,
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  Speaker 1: it's not the In fact that you need to worry about.
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  Speaker 1: She goes, oh people, and then he's like yes. She
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  Speaker 1: as they're getting to sleep, she's like, are you sure
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  Speaker 1: we're safe, and he's like, yes, we're safe. But then
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  Speaker 1: we turn around and see that he stays up all night,
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  Speaker 1: even though that plan was he was going to sleep
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  Speaker 1: but to protect and keep watch. We wake up to
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  Speaker 1: him making coffee and she hates it and says it
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  Speaker 1: smells like and you know what, I can see that.
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  Speaker 1: I can see that, but I love coffee. And they
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  Speaker 1: move on and she's like, I can't believe you drink that.
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  Speaker 1: I can't believe Starbucks served as people went to the
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  Speaker 1: to get this, and he takes a big slurp as
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  Speaker 1: he does to show it off. We find Hank Williams
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  Speaker 1: tape that's way back when and he PEPs it in
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  Speaker 1: and yes, there is uh that is in the game.
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  Speaker 1: So I but I think it's a different song. Actually
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  Speaker 1: I heard someone say that's not the same song. They
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  Speaker 1: played a different song than what you see in the game.
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  Speaker 1: But it goes hand in hand with the episode. We
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  Speaker 1: come up on Kansas City and we see all these
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  Speaker 1: pilot of cars and we're like, oh no, what's happening.
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  Speaker 1: There's a barricade, and so they have to take a detour.
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  Speaker 1: And during this detour, rut Row comes a man who
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  Speaker 1: is seemingly injured, and Joel is suspicious and Elie's like,
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  Speaker 1: aren't we going to help him? And he's like, no
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  Speaker 1: enviers and almost runs them over, and yep, it was
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  Speaker 1: an ambush, gunshutter happening. All the chaos. He quickly swerves
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  Speaker 1: into a gas station. Yeah, yeah, abandoned building. We'll go
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  Speaker 1: with that abandoned building. Um, And they hide and he
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  Speaker 1: tells her to go crawl through the hole. I'll cover you.
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  Speaker 1: And then he shoots somebody and one person dies, and
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  Speaker 1: he shoots other people and other people dies, and then
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  Speaker 1: all of a sudden, when he thought he was okay,
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  Speaker 1: he gets jumped by a guy named Brian, who was
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  Speaker 1: very angry because all of his friends has just gotten
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  Speaker 1: killed by this man. And he gets the jump on
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  Speaker 1: him and he's choking him, and ah, my goodness. Elie
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  Speaker 1: sees what's happening. She comes out in her kind of hesitation.
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  Speaker 1: But then she does shoot. Not a great aim, not
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  Speaker 1: a great anime, because I'm like why because it passed
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  Speaker 1: through him. He would have killed Joel, but luckily it
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  Speaker 1: just stuck in his butt and causing Brian to be paralyzed.
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  Speaker 1: Things changed. Brian's begging for his life. He even says,
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  Speaker 1: let me just take me to my mom. Take me
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  Speaker 1: to my mom. That was probably one of the status lines.
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  Speaker 1: We're cool, We're cool. I'm not angry anymore. My name
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  Speaker 1: is Brian. What's your name? I'm sorry, I'm sorry. At
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  Speaker 1: this point, Joel's like, go back inside, and we see
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  Speaker 1: Joel grab a knife, which was his knife, Brian's knife,
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  Speaker 1: and then we hear a noise, so assuming that he
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  Speaker 1: had been stabbed. This, we see Ellie hiding back in
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  Speaker 1: the whole crying but trying to get herself together. He kept.
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  Speaker 1: Joel comes in after she moves some items from the
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  Speaker 1: doorway so he can get in. By the way, that
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  Speaker 1: happens a lot in the game, where she has to
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  Speaker 1: crawl up things and into things to move things to
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  Speaker 1: let the adults in essentially, And there we see them
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  Speaker 1: having a conversation about life essentially and the fact that
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  Speaker 1: Ellie had to do that. He's trying to apologize, but
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  Speaker 1: he can't really apologize, and he's trying to try to
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  Speaker 1: check in on her, and she kind of says, that's
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  Speaker 1: not the first time I've done that, So ru Row,
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  Speaker 1: I feel like that might be a premonition, Yeah, that
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  Speaker 1: we're gonna we're gonna learn about. And then but she
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  Speaker 1: does ask Joel, how did you know? How did you
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  Speaker 1: know this that this was a bad thing, that this
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  Speaker 1: would happen, And he was like, I've been on both sides. Um,
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  Speaker 1: people do whatever they can to survive. So she's like, oh,
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  Speaker 1: so you've been the bad guy essentially, and he's like, again,
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  Speaker 1: we did what we had to survive. At this time,
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  Speaker 1: also going back because I did forget, Joel does explain
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  Speaker 1: what happens to Tommy about Tommy just joining things, including
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  Speaker 1: joining the military and then joining the Fireflies, and that's
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  Speaker 1: why Tommy and he had a disagreement essentially, and that's
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  Speaker 1: why he's searching for them. And then we find a
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  Speaker 1: new character, Kathleen, who is actually not in the game,
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  Speaker 1: so they brought a new character on and she is
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  Speaker 1: the leader of this militia because they have taken over
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  Speaker 1: this area which was accusing by Fedra, but they overtook them.
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  Speaker 1: They are angry, they are taking people out. We see
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  Speaker 1: her h interrogating a doctor who had actually birthed her,
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  Speaker 1: and she's very angry because not only has people died,
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  Speaker 1: but her brother had been killed and she's looking for
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  Speaker 1: a person named Henry, and yes, this is a big deal.
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  Speaker 1: Where is Henry because she's sure that he had rathered
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  Speaker 1: her brother out which caused his death, his murder essentially. Um,
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  Speaker 1: then we they find out this ambush had happened. All
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  Speaker 1: the people had died, so she rushes out looks at
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  Speaker 1: the dead, including Brian, which they call back on and
• 12:20
  Speaker 1: she was like does a rally cry essentially with the
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  Speaker 1: group saying that Henry again, this mysterious Henry was at
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  Speaker 1: fault and he has brought in people. Hey, he had
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  Speaker 1: like called in for reinforcements. And this is obviously that
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  Speaker 1: she turns back around. At the beginning she seemed hesitant
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  Speaker 1: to kill the doctor, but not any longer and just
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  Speaker 1: immediately executes him. Comes back says, we need to find Henry.
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  Speaker 1: And there's a dude named Perry who is actually the
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  Speaker 1: voice of Tommy on the game. And we love having
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  Speaker 1: people from the game in this movie. But yes, he
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  Speaker 1: plays a man named Perry who has been military and
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  Speaker 1: who is her second man in charge. Just since really
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  Speaker 1: in between, and so they all go searching because they're like,
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  Speaker 1: we need to find Henry. We need to find Henry.
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  Speaker 1: Remember Henry is during this time, though, Perry's like, oh,
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  Speaker 1: we got an issue. Takes her to an empty room
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  Speaker 1: and all of a sudden, we see that the floor
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  Speaker 1: sinking in, crumbling, and it's like almost like it's a
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  Speaker 1: volcano about to erupt. Row, but she doesn't want to
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  Speaker 1: tell anybody but Row just how you know. Um. Later
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  Speaker 1: we come back and she has found a little what
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  Speaker 1: it seems to be a hideout for two people, a
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  Speaker 1: boy and an older dude. We find that this is
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  Speaker 1: Henry and Sam. She is sure that they're part of
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  Speaker 1: the problem. She's trying to find them, that she's trying
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  Speaker 1: to see that they're stealing food, all these things. So
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  Speaker 1: they're on the hunt for Henry and Sam. We come
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  Speaker 1: back to Ellie, and we come back to Joel, who
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  Speaker 1: has found a place to rust. They have a conversation
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  Speaker 1: about more puns. I believe there's a diarrhy oh one
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  Speaker 1: at this point, Um, I'm sure you'll share that one minute,
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  Speaker 1: or you want to share right now, go ahead, go ahead.
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  Speaker 1: Did you know diarrhea is hereditary. It runs in your
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  Speaker 1: jeans there is, and he kind of smirks, and we
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  Speaker 1: see them bonding. At this point. He teaches her how
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  Speaker 1: to hold a gun, shows all these things, so they're bonding.
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  Speaker 1: She had taken the gun back and actually put in
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  Speaker 1: her jacket. Good to send. You probably need to remember that.
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  Speaker 1: Joel lays out glass so at the doorway so he
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  Speaker 1: can hear people they come in, you know, he just
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  Speaker 1: in kids, gets surprised. We see them going to sleep,
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  Speaker 1: and then all of a sudden, we see Ellie saying, Joel,
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  Speaker 1: wake up, and he turns to see that she's standing
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  Speaker 1: up with a man who's holding a gun to her head.
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  Speaker 1: And then he turns around and looks at a young
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  Speaker 1: boy with what looks like like paint on his eyes.
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  Speaker 1: I think he's a superhero at this point, pointing a gun,
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  Speaker 1: correctly pointing a gun at him in sync once again,
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  Speaker 1: fantastic freak. There is faints a picture does Okay, So
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  Speaker 1: I do have a lot of things I want to
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  Speaker 1: talk about with this. Um I find it was five
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  Speaker 1: minute episode, I know, but okay, okay, okay, but it'll
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  Speaker 1: go quick, I mean, don't like it. Let's go Okay,
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  Speaker 1: let's all right. So one of the first things I
• 15:29
  Speaker 1: saw after this episode came out was a lot of
• 15:33
  Speaker 1: discussion around and not not not necessarily negative discussion at all,
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  Speaker 1: but like, what's the difference between an adaption and a remake?
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  Speaker 1: Because this was very like the whole first part where
• 15:46
  Speaker 1: they're in the truck straight from the game, like exactly,
• 15:51
  Speaker 1: like when she's looking through that like gay magazine. Yea,
• 15:54
  Speaker 1: those that beat by beat every line for line, which
• 16:00
  Speaker 1: I don't. It's so funny because I'm kind of like,
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  Speaker 1: I don't have a problem with that at all, and
• 16:04
  Speaker 1: I've I've said a million times on this show. I
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  Speaker 1: think that game is already pretty much a movie, um
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  Speaker 1: with just a bunch of like wandering in between, but
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  Speaker 1: it is just supplies read the notes to hear people
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  Speaker 1: talk about it. It was cool to see Tommy's voice
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  Speaker 1: actor and if you like, if you're so inclined, uh,
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  Speaker 1: if you compare like Tommy his voice in the first
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  Speaker 1: episode two, this the voice actor's voice. You can hear it.
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  Speaker 1: It's yeah, it's the same they are like. It was
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  Speaker 1: pretty impressive when we were watching the first episode because
• 16:44
  Speaker 1: it really did feel like I'm like, oh, he wasn't
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  Speaker 1: the voice actor, but that sounds just like him. And
• 16:49
  Speaker 1: then we see Perry. But here, I feel like the
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  Speaker 1: character of Perry the actor he softened it a little
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  Speaker 1: bit to be different. I feel like he did that
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  Speaker 1: on purpose. Yeah, it's not the exact same, but it
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  Speaker 1: was cool because we you know, well, I am like
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  Speaker 1: such a huge shirt and we always watched the like
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  Speaker 1: behind the scenes thing at the end, we love it. Yeah,
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  Speaker 1: and it was cool to see the voice actors say like,
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  Speaker 1: this is one of the surprise joys of my life
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  Speaker 1: playing this character, and I never knew I would be here, Like,
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  Speaker 1: that's really cool. I like that a lot. I do
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  Speaker 1: think they are doing kind of here's your huge emotional episode.
• 17:23
  Speaker 1: Here's your like builder to the next huge emotional episode,
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  Speaker 1: and here's your builder to the next one. I think
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  Speaker 1: the next episode is going to be like really long
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  Speaker 1: and sad. Well, I think so. But this was definitely
• 17:35
  Speaker 1: like a bonding. This was showing the traveling scenes and
• 17:38
  Speaker 1: bonding between Ellie and Joel. In my opinion, I did
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  Speaker 1: it did crack me up. How many people, and I
• 17:45
  Speaker 1: love you all, thank you who contacted me. And we're
• 17:49
  Speaker 1: just sending me headlines about the pun book. This is
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  Speaker 1: the heart of the last of us. This is jokes
• 17:57
  Speaker 1: are saving the last of us, and it's great and
• 17:59
  Speaker 1: I was yeah, and even somebody said, I can see
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  Speaker 1: why you love this. You are correct. I love it
• 18:10
  Speaker 1: and it is very sweet because it's I had the
• 18:13
  Speaker 1: look on Joel's face when she starts reading him the
• 18:17
  Speaker 1: puns of pure Panic is like joy to be Oh God,
• 18:22
  Speaker 1: what is she doing. She's reading puns? And I love
• 18:28
  Speaker 1: like when he finally laughs at the end. At the
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  Speaker 1: at the puns, he tells what she tells him so
• 18:35
  Speaker 1: funny where she's trying to pretend like she's got a
• 18:37
  Speaker 1: serious question and then the pun and he laughs at
• 18:41
  Speaker 1: the end and he says, I'm losing it, and she says,
• 18:43
  Speaker 1: you're losing it, big tang, which I think is a
• 18:44
  Speaker 1: call back to the first episode, because that's when Sarah
• 18:48
  Speaker 1: had called out your shirt is on inside out and
• 18:52
  Speaker 1: Tommy joked like, oh, he's losing it, and she said,
• 18:54
  Speaker 1: oh yeah, big time. Um. This is also I think
• 18:59
  Speaker 1: when we're seeing ing the trope emerge fully of Sad
• 19:03
  Speaker 1: Murder Dad, which I have talked about, but that is
• 19:06
  Speaker 1: what Joel, that is the trope and fan fiction that
• 19:09
  Speaker 1: Joel would be called where you see Like I've also
• 19:13
  Speaker 1: heard emotionally constipated man, which I like, um, yeah, yeah,
• 19:19
  Speaker 1: where you see him. He's definitely got these protective instincts
• 19:22
  Speaker 1: and it extends beyond Ellie and tests, but also to Tommy,
• 19:27
  Speaker 1: Like this whole mission is like I have to be
• 19:29
  Speaker 1: there to protect him. He can't protect himself. I have
• 19:31
  Speaker 1: to do it. That scene where he's like waiting at night,
• 19:35
  Speaker 1: I can't sleep and guarding Ellie like he has that
• 19:38
  Speaker 1: with him, and then like the whole idea when he's
• 19:41
  Speaker 1: trying to convert Eline, he says, you know, I'm not
• 19:43
  Speaker 1: good at this. I don't I don't know what to do.
• 19:45
  Speaker 1: And then we kind of get the first hints I
• 19:48
  Speaker 1: think they're going to give us some more background, but
• 19:50
  Speaker 1: the first hints of Joel's past of kind of this
• 19:53
  Speaker 1: we did what we have to do to survive, um
• 19:56
  Speaker 1: and what does that mean? And I also we'll say
• 20:01
  Speaker 1: I've said it before on this podcast several times, but
• 20:04
  Speaker 1: I've said the Mandalorian is essentially the same story, and
• 20:06
  Speaker 1: a lot of people sent me messages about that well,
• 20:13
  Speaker 1: but it's a very popular. It's a popular trope of
• 20:17
  Speaker 1: kind of the like closed off, protective, violent man who
• 20:24
  Speaker 1: sort of gets his shell broken by some usually like
• 20:29
  Speaker 1: innocent human or are creature in Brogu's case, Baby it
• 20:34
  Speaker 1: is case. There's definitely some dad vibes, like when he
• 20:37
  Speaker 1: panics at the puns, but also when he panics at
• 20:40
  Speaker 1: the like gay magazine when she's asking him why the
• 20:43
  Speaker 1: pages they're stuck together and he's like, oh God, what
• 20:45
  Speaker 1: do I do? What do I do? That's pretty good,
• 20:48
  Speaker 1: It was pretty funny. H He also has some pretty
• 20:51
  Speaker 1: dramatic lines, like saving the world as a pipe dream.
• 20:55
  Speaker 1: That's when he's talking about Tommy and like why he
• 20:57
  Speaker 1: thinks what Tommy is doing is ridiculou list And then
• 21:02
  Speaker 1: you have Ellie's response of sort of why I bother
• 21:05
  Speaker 1: going on without hope and Joel says you keep going
• 21:08
  Speaker 1: for a family and Ellie says I'm not family and
• 21:11
  Speaker 1: he says, no, you're a cargo. I want to keep
• 21:13
  Speaker 1: that in mind, but he says he's like doing it
• 21:17
  Speaker 1: for tests. He's trying to get Ellie where she needs
• 21:20
  Speaker 1: to go because of test, because test was family and
• 21:23
  Speaker 1: that was her like final wish was that you'll you'll
• 21:28
  Speaker 1: see if you can get Ellie to the firefly so
• 21:30
  Speaker 1: they can get this potential vaccine for all of this
• 21:34
  Speaker 1: terrible stuff. And then you do have the teaching of
• 21:40
  Speaker 1: gun stuff. If you've been listening to these I've been
• 21:42
  Speaker 1: watching the show, you know Ellie has been pushing for
• 21:44
  Speaker 1: this for a long time and he finally gives in.
• 21:47
  Speaker 1: And this was a big point in the game as well,
• 21:50
  Speaker 1: where she has this moment where she saves his life
• 21:55
  Speaker 1: and he's just angry at her because he doesn't it's
• 21:58
  Speaker 1: a multifaceinating but because he doesn't want her to as
• 22:02
  Speaker 1: a child exactly. And they even have that conversation in
• 22:07
  Speaker 1: the show where she's like, well, does it get easier
• 22:09
  Speaker 1: when you're an adult and he's like, nope, not really. Um,
• 22:14
  Speaker 1: But he eventually is like, you know, you were right.
• 22:17
  Speaker 1: It was either him or me, and he teaches her
• 22:20
  Speaker 1: how how to shoot. I did think this was interesting
• 22:23
  Speaker 1: because one of the first and that kind of our
• 22:25
  Speaker 1: jumbled first episode. I talked about this, but I read
• 22:28
  Speaker 1: an article about um the difference between adapting, like between
• 22:32
  Speaker 1: a video game and a show like this when it
• 22:35
  Speaker 1: comes to camera angles, because in the video game you
• 22:37
  Speaker 1: can control your camera angles, but in the show obviously
• 22:41
  Speaker 1: you can't. And I found it really interesting and I
• 22:44
  Speaker 1: personally I am glad they did it this way that
• 22:46
  Speaker 1: a lot of the time the camera angles, like when
• 22:51
  Speaker 1: Joel kills Brian, you're the cameras on Ellie and you're
• 22:56
  Speaker 1: not watching the violence. And when Kathleen kills the doctor,
• 23:01
  Speaker 1: the cameras on Kathleen and you're not seeing that. UM.
• 23:08
  Speaker 1: I just think that's really interesting about choosing choosing the
• 23:11
  Speaker 1: shot and choosing the p o v UM. You know,
• 23:14
  Speaker 1: there are arguments we made about I just feel like
• 23:16
  Speaker 1: showing violence is you have to be careful about it,
• 23:22
  Speaker 1: and I do that's like in the final episode. I've
• 23:24
  Speaker 1: got more thoughts on this, but I'm saving them for
• 23:27
  Speaker 1: the final episode. But I do think that's interesting. Um.
• 23:32
  Speaker 1: And also in the kind of the behind the scenes
• 23:36
  Speaker 1: thing after this episode, they talked about how like this
• 23:43
  Speaker 1: group in the game is sort of an obstacle and
• 23:46
  Speaker 1: they were trying to make them more than an obstacle.
• 23:50
  Speaker 1: And I think that's interesting because I do think that
• 23:52
  Speaker 1: the conversation around violence and video games is much more
• 23:56
  Speaker 1: than we can unpact here. But if you're that's one
• 23:59
  Speaker 1: of the issues people have, it's like if you're treating
• 24:01
  Speaker 1: people as obstacles you just have to get through, um,
• 24:04
  Speaker 1: then what does that look like? But the last of
• 24:07
  Speaker 1: us pretty good, not always, but pretty good about like
• 24:11
  Speaker 1: they do give people in the game, like the names,
• 24:14
  Speaker 1: so like you'll you'll shoot someone and they'll be like, oh, Brian,
• 24:17
  Speaker 1: now like it's awful. It is it is, So that's interesting.
• 24:25
  Speaker 1: And then something else that Savantha saw me freak out
• 24:29
  Speaker 1: over that they said in the behind the scenes is
• 24:32
  Speaker 1: that you know, Ellie took this shot to save Joel.
• 24:35
  Speaker 1: Ellie is just like Joel, which is the point I
• 24:38
  Speaker 1: have made a million times and I will continue to make.
• 24:42
  Speaker 1: But we'll we'll save that put a bit in that
• 24:44
  Speaker 1: one before later. Also, one of the interesting points of
• 25:02
  Speaker 1: this I think episode was this really hammering at home
• 25:05
  Speaker 1: of the people are a bad idea, like there's infected,
• 25:09
  Speaker 1: but the people are the ones you should be you're
• 25:12
  Speaker 1: really afraid of um. And they talked about that in
• 25:16
  Speaker 1: the after thing too, of like you know the history
• 25:18
  Speaker 1: of people being as bad as the ones they replaced
• 25:22
  Speaker 1: when it comes to like for this example, they were
• 25:24
  Speaker 1: talking about federick Ez gets overthrown, but then who comes
• 25:27
  Speaker 1: over and takes over. Is this militia are they better
• 25:30
  Speaker 1: or not? And and sort of that like the ugliness
• 25:34
  Speaker 1: of violence, um, the cycle of violence. Again, these are
• 25:39
  Speaker 1: all things that I've like ranted Samantha zero off about
• 25:42
  Speaker 1: these games. Yeah, but that kind of idea of um,
• 25:49
  Speaker 1: you know, in theory, Henry has hurt in some way
• 25:55
  Speaker 1: led to the death of Kathleen's brother, and now Kathleen
• 25:59
  Speaker 1: is killing all these other people in his name and like,
• 26:01
  Speaker 1: who do they get vengeance on? Um, that's a big
• 26:04
  Speaker 1: line I always bring up and kill Bill in the
• 26:06
  Speaker 1: beginning when she's like, one day you can grow up
• 26:08
  Speaker 1: and get revenge against me, like that cycle. Neil Juckman,
• 26:13
  Speaker 1: the creator, did say that one of his favorite things
• 26:15
  Speaker 1: is humanizing villains, which did crack me up. Which is true,
• 26:18
  Speaker 1: It is absolutely true. But I am interested to see
• 26:22
  Speaker 1: where Kathleen goes because she she's not in the game,
• 26:25
  Speaker 1: or if she is, she's an in piece, like she
• 26:27
  Speaker 1: barely in there, So I am interested to see what
• 26:29
  Speaker 1: happens with her. I did want to end on a
• 26:32
  Speaker 1: couple of things that will touch on the past episode
• 26:35
  Speaker 1: as well. One of them is this idea I didn't
• 26:38
  Speaker 1: bring up, but I do think is really important in
• 26:42
  Speaker 1: this game, and I think in the next episode it
• 26:44
  Speaker 1: will become more clear why. But like the idea of
• 26:47
  Speaker 1: loneliness versus love, like are you too afraid of being
• 26:51
  Speaker 1: lonely so you find somebody and it's not really love um?
• 26:57
  Speaker 1: Or are you truly I do love somebody or in
• 27:02
  Speaker 1: love with somebody? And then I can get really murky there.
• 27:04
  Speaker 1: But certainly the idea of loneliness, it was really important,
• 27:10
  Speaker 1: um in these games and in this show, I'm sure, uh.
• 27:14
  Speaker 1: And then I did have the wondrous delight of watching
• 27:19
  Speaker 1: the first three episodes because the fourth one hadn't come
• 27:21
  Speaker 1: out yet, with some of my friends who hadn't seen
• 27:23
  Speaker 1: it and very much enjoyed, very much enjoyed UM and
• 27:33
  Speaker 1: I was talking to them about because they were like
• 27:35
  Speaker 1: the episode with the previous episode with Bell and Frank
• 27:37
  Speaker 1: is so tender and beautiful. And I had mentioned in
• 27:40
  Speaker 1: one of the previous episodes that that was the one
• 27:42
  Speaker 1: where I was like, that's where I'm going to start
• 27:44
  Speaker 1: to see this kind of angry gamer emerge, which they
• 27:50
  Speaker 1: had already been there. Like we said, they kind of
• 27:51
  Speaker 1: they targeted Nico Parker, they targeted Bella Ramsey, but this
• 27:56
  Speaker 1: they did come out to review bomb that EPI so
• 28:00
  Speaker 1: don't I am dB specifically, but I was hardened to
• 28:04
  Speaker 1: see a bunch of people, I believe like a Reddit
• 28:07
  Speaker 1: group or something came out and kind of reversed were
• 28:10
  Speaker 1: posting all these positive reviews to sort of combat at
• 28:15
  Speaker 1: And I am loving the videos people are sending me
• 28:17
  Speaker 1: of people really embracing that relationship, like I showed you
• 28:21
  Speaker 1: one where they're like playing it and I like Taylor
• 28:24
  Speaker 1: Swift Days like a montage of Billet frame. And then somebody,
• 28:31
  Speaker 1: a friend who I had shown it to just this
• 28:33
  Speaker 1: past weekend sent me. I think it was a TikTok
• 28:37
  Speaker 1: of somebody slowly being like going from like don't let
• 28:42
  Speaker 1: him into your house, no, if that's ridiculous, to like,
• 28:45
  Speaker 1: don't let him go, which true love cry. I have
• 28:51
  Speaker 1: loved it, so thanks to everybody who sit me those
• 28:54
  Speaker 1: I do enjoy it. Oh okay, Well, so up next,
• 29:01
  Speaker 1: I think, oh gosh, I'm so excited. Henry and Sam
• 29:04
  Speaker 1: obviously are going to be the big thing. Also, the
• 29:07
  Speaker 1: much alluded to Bloater. I think it's gonna be a
• 29:12
  Speaker 1: sad one, but I think it's gonna be really, really
• 29:13
  Speaker 1: good but we'll see. Yeah, it's gonna be emotional. It's
• 29:18
  Speaker 1: gonna be emotional, and you will hear our take on
• 29:21
  Speaker 1: it a week from now. But I do want to
• 29:25
  Speaker 1: leave with a pun. I'm just gonna flip. I'm just
• 29:27
  Speaker 1: gonna flip to her random page and pick. And if
• 29:30
  Speaker 1: you all didn't know, this is specifically to the game,
• 29:32
  Speaker 1: this actually doesn't exist. No, but I'm this much of
• 29:36
  Speaker 1: a nerd that I bought it for my love puns.
• 29:40
  Speaker 1: So basically, in the game, you can ask Ellie to
• 29:44
  Speaker 1: keep telling you puns until she runs out, but it's
• 29:46
  Speaker 1: an optional thing, like you have to go up to
• 29:48
  Speaker 1: her press triangle and she'll tell you a pun. And
• 29:50
  Speaker 1: I of course did every single pun because I love
• 29:53
  Speaker 1: puns and I was just curious. All right, A book
• 29:58
  Speaker 1: just fell on my head. I only have my shelf
• 30:01
  Speaker 1: to blame. I only have myself to blame. Yes, but
• 30:10
  Speaker 1: people are this book is in high demand now. Everybody's
• 30:12
  Speaker 1: asked me to read it. So you know, there you go.
• 30:16
  Speaker 1: Maybe we can get upon an episode. Oh my gosh, listeners,
• 30:20
  Speaker 1: would you be into that? No, that's too bad. As
• 30:23
  Speaker 1: Ellie says, you can never escape Will Livingston story true
• 30:30
  Speaker 1: story all right, well, I hope that you're enjoying these
• 30:33
  Speaker 1: whether you watch the show or care about it at
• 30:36
  Speaker 1: all or not, And there will be more puns, more recaps,
• 30:40
  Speaker 1: more discussion in the meantime. If you have any thoughts,
• 30:43
  Speaker 1: if you have any puns, oh my goodness, you can
• 30:46
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• 30:48
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• 30:56
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