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"Trump's Crimetime Preview." (Live from The Beacon Theatre!) · Pod Save America

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  Speaker 1: What's up, New York?
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  Speaker 2: Welcome to Pod Save America. I'm Jon Favreau.
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  Speaker 3: I'm Melissa Murray.
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  Speaker 1: I'm Jon Lovett. I'm Tommy Visor.
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  Speaker 4: Dan Pfeiffer has almost recovered from COVID. but couldn't quite
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  Speaker 4: make it. But we are so lucky to have Melissa here.
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  Speaker 4: Melissa is also the co-host of Strict Scrutiny, which is
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  Speaker 4: the best legal podcast in America.
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  Speaker 2: Now part of the Crooked family. So thank you for
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  Speaker 2: doing this.
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  Speaker 3: Thank you for having me. Shout out to my co-host,
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  Speaker 3: Kate Shaw, who's.
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  Speaker 2: Out in the audience.
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  Speaker 1: What's up, Kate? We got some Strict Scrutiny super fans
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  Speaker 1: in the front over here.
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  Speaker 2: There we go.
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  Speaker 1: We got some strict heads.
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  Speaker 4: Also joining us here tonight, your Attorney General, Letitia James.
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  Speaker 2: Here we go. All right, let's get to the news.
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  Speaker 4: I know there are a lot of depressing headlines out
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  Speaker 4: there right now, but we wanted to brighten up your
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  Speaker 4: night by starting with the very detailed and public plot
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  Speaker 4: to steal the next elections. So a real treat for
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  Speaker 4: Thursday night. On Wednesday, Politico obtained video of Republican operatives
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  Speaker 4: in Michigan plotting Election Day chaos with a network of
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  Speaker 4: MAGA loyalists who fall into four different groups. Poll workers
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  Speaker 4: who are trained to contest votes in heavily Democratic precincts.
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  Speaker 4: Lawyers who the poll workers can contact with fake allegations
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  Speaker 4: of voter fraud. Trump-friendly district attorneys... who could intervene to
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  Speaker 4: block the precinct vote counts, and Trump loyalists on local
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  Speaker 4: boards of canvassers who could refuse to certify the election.
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  Speaker 2: The purpose of.
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  Speaker 4: This strategy, which Steve Bannon has been talking about for
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  Speaker 4: months on Tommy's favorite podcast.
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  Speaker 1: Sure has.
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  Speaker 2: Big fan.
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  Speaker 4: Is to create enough confusion that the election then gets
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  Speaker 4: thrown to the state legislatures, which Trump recently admitted to
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  Speaker 4: the New York Times that he's trying to stack with
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  Speaker 4: loyalists who will send slates of Trump electors to Congress
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  Speaker 4: no matter which candidate wins. So that's where we are
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  Speaker 4: right now, very exciting. Melissa, obviously lawyers, poll watchers, even
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  Speaker 4: poll workers from each party are part of every election,
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  Speaker 4: but how much of Trump and Bannon's election day strategy
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  Speaker 4: here is unprecedented and is all of this legal?
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  Speaker 5: So it's not unprecedented because we saw some seeds of
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  Speaker 5: this in the 2020 election. And you're exactly right. None
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  Speaker 5: of this is necessarily illegal. You are allowed to have
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  Speaker 5: poll watchers. They're to provide a sort of neutral observation
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  Speaker 5: of electoral processes. But you're not supposed to use poll
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  Speaker 5: watchers to intimidate voters, to gin up fake claims. And
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  Speaker 5: you're definitely not supposed to send your Trump loyalist lawyers
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  Speaker 5: to the courts to file these fake claims. And you're
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  Speaker 5: definitely not supposed to have the election thrown by a
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  Speaker 5: slate of fake electors.
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  Speaker 2: That's a no-no.
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  Speaker 3: Yeah.
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  Speaker 5: I mean, in strict scrutiny, we call this sort of vibes,
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  Speaker 5: not law. And I think there's definitely sort of law-ish
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  Speaker 5: vibes here, but it's not really strictly legal.
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  Speaker 3: But they're definitely trying it.
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  Speaker 4: And it does sound like having the DAs stopping the
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  Speaker 4: count and then having the boards of canvassers sort of
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  Speaker 4: stacked with people who are just going to refuse to certify,
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  Speaker 4: that doesn't seem.
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  Speaker 2: Like the best.
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  Speaker 5: Again, not illegal to run for office for these offices.
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  Speaker 5: And for a lot of years, the Republican Party has
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  Speaker 5: been really assiduous in putting their people in these local positions.
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  Speaker 6: But this is where the rubber really meets the road.
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  Speaker 5: When you have the Trump loyalists there, you can really
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  Speaker 5: do a lot of work, and they're laying the seeds,
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  Speaker 5: not only for the midterm elections, but also 2024.
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  Speaker 4: Yeah, and it seems like they're doing this as a,
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  Speaker 4: 2022 is a test drive for 2024 with a lot
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  Speaker 4: of these places.
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  Speaker 3: Yeah, like a Tesla. Test driving a Tesla.
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  Speaker 2: That's right.
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  Speaker 4: So this story, I want to talk about this tonight
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  Speaker 4: because it's happening, this story's about Michigan, it's happening in
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  Speaker 4: swing states all over the country. It sort of came
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  Speaker 4: and went yesterday, kind of under the radar, without a
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  Speaker 4: ton of media coverage. or frankly, comment from a lot
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  Speaker 4: of Democratic officials. Tommy, why do you think that is,
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  Speaker 4: and what do you think the Democratic Party should do
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  Speaker 4: about it, knowing, as Melissa just said, that none of
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  Speaker 4: it is technically illegal, but clearly very troubling?
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  Speaker 7: Yeah, I mean, it's also worth noting that they're primarily
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  Speaker 7: planning to do this in mostly black cities and precincts
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  Speaker 7: in Michigan, so it's a very deliberate effort. I mean,
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  Speaker 7: I think the problem, the challenge is, Democrats are like,
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  Speaker 7: we got you. It's on tape, you're gonna create chaos,
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  Speaker 7: You want to make people question the results of the election.
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  Speaker 7: You want to steal it again, throw it to these
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  Speaker 7: new electors. Like, ha ha, we got you. And the
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  Speaker 7: Republicans are basically like, fucking ain't right we are. You know, like,
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  Speaker 7: they don't care. They are open about this effort. They
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  Speaker 7: want to use the coverage they get when people like
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  Speaker 7: us freak out to recruit more people to help steal
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  Speaker 7: the election.
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  Speaker 1: So that's the problem.
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  Speaker 7: Like, the shame spiral, the shame, the shame spiral, the
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  Speaker 7: shame cycle of like the typical scandal in Washington has
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  Speaker 7: been broken by the MAGA types because they just don't
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  Speaker 7: care about the allegation or the norms and institutions or
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  Speaker 7: what's right and what's wrong here. And so the other
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  Speaker 7: challenge is like, it's kind of esoteric stuff, you know,
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  Speaker 7: like what's a poll watcher, what's a poll worker, what's
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  Speaker 7: a board of election, you know, like all of this,
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  Speaker 7: it's easy to get just lost in a sea of
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  Speaker 7: kind of bureaucracy. And that's kind of what they're counting on.
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  Speaker 7: Like they're counting on their people being brainwashed that the
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  Speaker 7: 2020 election was stolen and that they need to do
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  Speaker 7: something about it and taking action at this super local level.
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  Speaker 4: Because no one's going to pay attention because we're not
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  Speaker 4: going to talk about it. The stories aren't going to
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  Speaker 4: get covered. Democrats aren't going to complain about it. And
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  Speaker 4: so they'll just keep installing these people and then they'll win.
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  Speaker 2: Love it.
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  Speaker 8: Yeah, I mean, it's the same to Melissa's point. You know,
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  Speaker 8: whether it's legal or illegal, I think the point is
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  Speaker 8: that it's extra legal to because so much of our rules,
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  Speaker 8: so much of our law is predicated on a certain
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  Speaker 8: assumption that yes, people are partisan and people are biased,
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  Speaker 8: but beneath that, there's a core set of values and
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  Speaker 8: principles that will generally be upheld, and in the event
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  Speaker 8: that those are not upheld, that there is enough political
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  Speaker 8: pressure inside of the system to keep people, if not
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  Speaker 8: completely honest, prevent them from going full-fash. And for the
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  Speaker 8: point Tommy's making, the same reason The same trend that
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  Speaker 8: leads these people to be unresponsive to shame is the
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  Speaker 8: same reason they're willing to overturn our elections. They're not
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  Speaker 8: inside of a democracy with us. They're just not. And
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  Speaker 8: I think the answer to all of this is power.
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  Speaker 8: We can't argue with them. We can't out-shame them. We
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  Speaker 8: can't We can't make enough headlines about what they're doing.
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  Speaker 1: We have to win. What about a New York Times op-ed?
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  Speaker 1: New York Times op-eds will not save us. And honestly, sometimes...
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  Speaker 1: I mean, look, really good ones make a huge... Really
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  Speaker 1: good ones by smart people. Hey, hold on, hold on. Listen.
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  Speaker 1: I do what I can.
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  Speaker 3: I do what I can.
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  Speaker 1: Present company accepted.
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  Speaker 8: But no, but the answer is power. We have to
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  Speaker 8: win locally where these people will... If we have the
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  Speaker 8: right people in these local offices.
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  Speaker 1: We don't have to worry about this.
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  Speaker 8: If we have a decent person running local elections, we
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  Speaker 8: don't need to worry about whether or not a Trump
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  Speaker 8: judge is going to pull the case. We don't need
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  Speaker 8: to worry about what side of the bed Gorsuch woke
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  Speaker 8: up on. We don't have to worry about that if
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  Speaker 8: we have people in those jobs. We won't have to
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  Speaker 8: worry about this if we keep the House and keep
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  Speaker 8: the Senate, because we won't have to worry about the
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  Speaker 8: same insurrectionists who voted to overturn the election without a
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  Speaker 8: majority having the power to throw our elections into chaos.
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  Speaker 8: The answer is power. It's the only answer because that's
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  Speaker 8: the only thing these people respond to.
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  Speaker 9: Yeah.
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  Speaker 2: And it's, and that's exactly right.
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  Speaker 1: Clap it up for power.
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  Speaker 4: Well, and it's like paying attention to like what, you know,
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  Speaker 4: here's one thing that everyone can do. You can go
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  Speaker 4: to votesaveamerica.com to sign up to be a poll worker
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  Speaker 4: with our partner, Power the Polls. 27,000 of you signed
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  Speaker 4: up in 2020 and they're recruiting even more poll workers
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  Speaker 4: ahead of the 2022 midterm elections. Look, we have to
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  Speaker 4: pay attention, we have to sign up for these jobs too,
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  Speaker 4: whether it's becoming a poll watcher, poll worker, whether it's
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  Speaker 4: secretary of state races, whether it's AG races, all these
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  Speaker 4: down ballot races are incredibly important, even if they don't
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  Speaker 4: sound like the sexiest right now, like this is where
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  Speaker 4: the power gets built, as Lovett was saying. So go
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  Speaker 4: to votesaveamerica.com and while you're there, sign up for our
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  Speaker 4: midterm madness program where we'll connect you with a lot
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  Speaker 4: more ways to get involved and volunteer ahead of 2022.
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  Speaker 2: So that's super important. All right.
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  Speaker 4: We are also now exactly one week away from the
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  Speaker 4: first primetime congressional hearing about January 6th.
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  Speaker 2: Well, yeah, let's applaud for that. All right. Congressional hearings.
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  Speaker 1: Primetime hearings, everybody. We did it.
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  Speaker 2: We haven't had this kind of applause since the Mueller hearings.
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  Speaker 1: Let's hope more comes of this.
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  Speaker 2: Just some bobblehead dolls. All right.
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  Speaker 4: So just this week, we found out a lot more
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  Speaker 4: about the MAGA plot to steal the last election. We
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  Speaker 4: found out that former Trump aide Peter Navarro became the
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  Speaker 4: first White House staffer to receive a subpoena to testify
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  Speaker 4: in front of a federal grand jury for his role
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  Speaker 4: in the attack on the Capitol. A federal judge also
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  Speaker 4: released a memo from this lawyer to Rudy Giuliani that
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  Speaker 4: said he, quote, pushed a strategy, and the federal judge
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  Speaker 4: said this, that the memo pushed a strategy that knowingly
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  Speaker 4: violated the Electoral Count Act, namely, the plan was to
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  Speaker 4: get Senator Chuck Grassley, who's the eldest member of the
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  Speaker 4: Senate and thus the most senior member of the Senate,
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  Speaker 4: to take over the electoral certification process from Mike Pence
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  Speaker 4: so that he could just throw out a bunch of
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  Speaker 4: Biden electors. That was one in a long list of plot,
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  Speaker 4: they kind of tossed that aside at one point, but
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  Speaker 4: they had a whole list of things they were gonna do. Melissa,
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  Speaker 4: there's obviously been a lot of focus on the January
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  Speaker 4: 6th hearings themselves. But what do we know about this
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  Speaker 4: federal grand jury? And what does the Navarro subpoena suggest
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  Speaker 4: to you? Is DOJ looking at charging people beyond the rioters,
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  Speaker 4: maybe Trump officials, maybe Trump himself with potential crimes?
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  Speaker 2: And what are those potential crimes?
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  Speaker 6: So let's back up.
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  Speaker 3: This is like the second subpoena that Peter Navarro has had.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, he's collecting them now.
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  Speaker 3: Like if subpoenas were spots, he'd be a cheetah, right?
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  Speaker 1: So he's had a lot of subpoenas. If he gets
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  Speaker 1: one more, he gets a free sub.
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  Speaker 5: So the first subpoena is important because that came from
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  Speaker 5: the select committee and he refused to comply with that,
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  Speaker 5: which then prompted the House to hold him in contempt
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  Speaker 5: and refer his contempt charges to the DOJ, which then
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  Speaker 5: sparked this new subpoena from the federal grand jury. So
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  Speaker 5: this is coming from the Department of Justice's investigation.
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  Speaker 3: And, you know, one.
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  Speaker 5: Of the things I think it signals is that the DOJ,
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  Speaker 5: which has been moving, I think, very deliberately is a generous.
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  Speaker 3: Way to put it.
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  Speaker 2: I was going to say, you went with a very
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  Speaker 2: nice term.
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  Speaker 1: Glacially.
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  Speaker 5: With all deliberate speed. They've been moving toward this. But
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  Speaker 5: it seems like they're moving away from the actual rioters
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  Speaker 5: from January 6th and starting to join up the riot
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  Speaker 5: itself with the machinations that may have been happening in
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  Speaker 5: the then former president's orbit. on January 6th, and Navarro
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  Speaker 5: is very much in the thick of this. So will
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  Speaker 5: it lead to criminal exposure, criminal liability for Navarro?
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  Speaker 3: I don't know.
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  Speaker 5: Will it lead to criminal liability for anyone else further
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  Speaker 5: up the chain? I don't know, but it seems like
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  Speaker 5: things are moving closer to the White House.
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  Speaker 4: And this law is like, is it obstruction of a
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  Speaker 4: congressional proceeding? Is that like a law that has been.
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  Speaker 2: I.
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  Speaker 6: Haven't heard of it being used in the past, but
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  Speaker 6: I mean.
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  Speaker 3: That's kind of what was going on.
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  Speaker 2: That's what we're talking about.
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  Speaker 4: Here, right?
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  Speaker 5: I mean, it probably hasn't been used in the past
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  Speaker 5: because no one ever tried to do this before.
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  Speaker 2: Can I ask you something?
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  Speaker 4: Because we're all like, hey, Merrick Garland, get going. Charge
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  Speaker 4: Trump if you need to charge Trump. But I can
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  Speaker 4: imagine if you're Merrick Garland and you're the DOJ and
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  Speaker 4: you have to make a decision about potentially bringing criminal
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  Speaker 4: charges against a man who may be your boss's primary
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  Speaker 4: opponent in.
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  Speaker 2: The next election.
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  Speaker 4: Like, that goes sort of beyond unprecedented into this other, like,
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  Speaker 4: how do you even make that decision?
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  Speaker 3: But they've said that.
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  Speaker 5: They've telegraphed that from the beginning with, you know, the
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  Speaker 5: way they came into the administration was with this idea
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  Speaker 5: that they were going to restore morale to the DOJ,
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  Speaker 5: sort of strip the department of this veneer of partisanship
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  Speaker 5: that it had been imbued with during the Trump years,
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  Speaker 5: and get it back to sort of being an independent
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  Speaker 5: administrative body outside of the White House. And I think
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  Speaker 5: that's a really hard thing to do while you're also
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  Speaker 5: balancing this investigation that goes to the former occupant and,
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  Speaker 5: you know, by some accounts, the prospective new occupant, if
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  Speaker 5: some people have their way, of the White House going forward.
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  Speaker 5: So I think it's a delicate line to walk.
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  Speaker 3: And this is not to excuse.
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  Speaker 5: The glacial pace with which he has moved, but I
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  Speaker 5: think it's a lot to balance.
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  Speaker 2: It's got to be hard.
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  Speaker 1: Boo fucking who?
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  Speaker 2: I love it. I was trying to bait you here.
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  Speaker 1: Here's the thing.
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  Speaker 8: We have tried the Comey method. And the Comey method
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  Speaker 8: is worry first about the appearance of nonpartisanship and let
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  Speaker 8: your decisions flow from that. That plane crashed into the
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  Speaker 8: fucking mountain.
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  Speaker 1: Does not work. Does not work. Let's try the other
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  Speaker 1: thing of just... following the law to where it leads.
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  Speaker 2: But can you imagine the op-eds?
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  Speaker 1: Yes, I can. I can.
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  Speaker 2: Can you imagine the op-eds if Merrick Garland does that?
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  Speaker 10: Oh, boy.
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  Speaker 8: One thing that has been signaled, though, again and again,
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  Speaker 8: and that's happened here, too, they keep making this point
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  Speaker 8: over and over again, because I think it must be
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  Speaker 8: a sensitive question, right?
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  Speaker 1: They keep saying, not only.
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  Speaker 8: Do we believe this is evidence of law breaking, but
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  Speaker 8: we believe it is evidence of law breaking with knowledge
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  Speaker 8: that what they were doing was breaking the law. And
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  Speaker 8: I feel like that's important, especially here, because we are
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  Speaker 8: playing with such kind of fundamental questions of what it
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  Speaker 8: really means to break laws that haven't really been considered
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  Speaker 8: broken before. We are playing at the kind of foundational
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  Speaker 8: level of how our government is supposed to work, which
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  Speaker 8: also makes it trickier, which is why it's interesting they
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  Speaker 8: keep coming back to that idea.
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  Speaker 5: It's not just, you know, that these are laws that
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  Speaker 5: haven't been broken before, but so much of governance isn't
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  Speaker 5: about law, but about norms.
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  Speaker 3: And it's the norms that.
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  Speaker 6: Were eroded over the past four years.
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  Speaker 5: And now the question is, do we need to promulgate
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  Speaker 5: laws to fill in what was lost when we strip
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  Speaker 5: these norms of their content?
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  Speaker 4: It seems like we do, but it seems like we, uh,
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  Speaker 4: We need to get by a few things to get
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  Speaker 4: that majority.
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  Speaker 1: First to pass those laws.
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  Speaker 7: I mean, it's so confusing because there's also, there's a
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  Speaker 7: grand jury in Georgia too. Brad Raffensperger, the Republican Secretary
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  Speaker 7: of State, testified, I guess, maybe Monday in front of them.
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  Speaker 1: What's he talking about? Same kind of shit?
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  Speaker 4: Well, Trump trying to overturn the election there. But I
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  Speaker 4: do think the intention, what you were saying, Lovett, they're
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  Speaker 4: trying to go after the intention here because in that
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  Speaker 4: memo from that random lawyer to Rudy Giuliani, they said
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  Speaker 4: that one of the reasons that they wanted Grassley in
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  Speaker 4: there is to, quote, insulate Mike Pence and Donald Trump
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  Speaker 4: from any criminal liability, which means that they certainly thought
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  Speaker 4: that there was criminal liability there if Mike Pence just
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  Speaker 4: decided to overturn the election, which I guess proves intention.
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  Speaker 7: Where do you think Rudy found this lawyer? Like a
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  Speaker 7: billboard on the West Side Highway? Very late at night
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  Speaker 7: on television.
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  Speaker 8: I think he's at a cigar bar. He's got three fingers.
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  Speaker 2: Backpage? Someone said backpage.
• 16:45
  Speaker 1: Different bucket of issues. Don't interrupt me while I'm talking
• 16:48
  Speaker 1: about his drinking.
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  Speaker 2: It was such a good joke, though. I had to
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  Speaker 2: bring it up. It wasn't mine. Anyway, you were saying?
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  Speaker 1: No, I'm not finishing my point. That's your fault.
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  Speaker 2: Oh, no.
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  Speaker 1: So, keep going, John.
• 17:07
  Speaker 4: Tommy, clearly, as you can all tell, there's, like, too
• 17:11
  Speaker 4: much information about January 6th to digest right now. The
• 17:14
  Speaker 4: hearings haven't even started yet. Like, Just today, we get
• 17:17
  Speaker 4: another tranche of Mark Meadows texts. I had to check
• 17:20
  Speaker 4: the articles. I was like, I thought the texts already came,
• 17:22
  Speaker 4: but there were more texts. Here's my favorite text. Representative
• 17:28
  Speaker 4: Marjorie Taylor Greene to Mark Meadows.
• 17:29
  Speaker 1: This is good.
• 17:32
  Speaker 4: Last night, Senator Graham told me that if I found
• 17:34
  Speaker 4: 100 names of dead voters in Georgia that he would object.
• 17:37
  Speaker 4: I have 100 dead voters' names. And then one minute
• 17:42
  Speaker 4: later to Mark Meadows, just in case he probably didn't
• 17:44
  Speaker 4: respond within that minute.
• 17:46
  Speaker 2: Tell President Trump, exclamation. That's so good.
• 17:51
  Speaker 8: She also, in that text, asked Mark Meadows for Lindsey
• 17:55
  Speaker 8: Graham's cell.
• 17:56
  Speaker 9: Yep.
• 17:57
  Speaker 8: The guy is the White House chief of staff, ostensibly
• 18:00
  Speaker 8: one of the most powerful human beings on the fucking planet.
• 18:04
  Speaker 8: And he is sending little, he's attaching contacts.
• 18:07
  Speaker 4: Well, he's getting a string of texts from Ginny Thomas.
• 18:10
  Speaker 4: He's getting them from MTG. Now, I would have given
• 18:12
  Speaker 4: out Lindsey Graham's number in a second. I would have
• 18:14
  Speaker 4: been like, here's Lindsey Graham's number. Here's Donald Trump's number.
• 18:16
  Speaker 1: Remember when Trump read Lindsey Graham's number aloud at an event?
• 18:19
  Speaker 9: Yeah.
• 18:20
  Speaker 4: There's precedent for this. Anyway, we're getting lost in details again. Tommy,
• 18:24
  Speaker 4: if you were in charge of choreographing these hearings... What
• 18:27
  Speaker 4: is the essence of the story that you would want
• 18:28
  Speaker 4: to get across to people? First, I just want to
• 18:31
  Speaker 4: second whatever Lovett was going to say. In terms of
• 18:35
  Speaker 4: the hearings, I think we have to make a case
• 18:38
  Speaker 4: that this is not just about relitigating the past, but
• 18:41
  Speaker 4: about the future and preventing a worse outcome down the road.
• 18:43
  Speaker 4: Because I think one of the lessons from.
• 18:45
  Speaker 7: Impeachment and Bob Mueller and that whole morass we got
• 18:47
  Speaker 7: sucked into was what voters ultimately heard was Washington infighting
• 18:53
  Speaker 7: you know, like typical partisan back and forth and they
• 18:56
  Speaker 7: just didn't love it. And so I think success here
• 18:59
  Speaker 7: is you lay out a bunch of facts that are.
• 19:02
  Speaker 1: Reported and become informed voters.
• 19:04
  Speaker 7: There's potentially referrals to DOJ and some sort of accountability
• 19:08
  Speaker 7: for people that did conspire to overturn an election. And
• 19:11
  Speaker 7: then essentially you're just waking everybody the fuck up to
• 19:15
  Speaker 7: say this is happening now. I mean, we're talking about
• 19:18
  Speaker 7: January 6th in the 2020 effort to overturn the election
• 19:22
  Speaker 7: as they are doing a better job Organizing for the
• 19:24
  Speaker 7: future and like that to me is the really scary
• 19:26
  Speaker 7: part that I just seemingly isn't breaking through Yeah, I.
• 19:31
  Speaker 1: Agree with I agree with that I.
• 19:37
  Speaker 8: Do think it's about Republican extremism, you know, there was
• 19:41
  Speaker 8: that poll we talked about a few weeks ago the
• 19:43
  Speaker 8: most salient quality people think of when they think of
• 19:45
  Speaker 8: Republicans is extremism the most salient quality when they think
• 19:48
  Speaker 8: of Democrats is weakness and Not ideal. But I do
• 19:53
  Speaker 8: think that like years of coverage of Trump, years of
• 19:57
  Speaker 8: coverage of these sort of right-wing Republicans that has landed
• 20:01
  Speaker 8: with people. There's a reason that President Biden has started
• 20:03
  Speaker 8: referring to kind of, you know, MAGA Republicans. And I
• 20:06
  Speaker 8: think pointing out that we are trying to fight against
• 20:10
  Speaker 8: extremism and the dangers extremism pose to our democracy, to
• 20:16
  Speaker 8: women on questions of reproductive care and abortion, extremism on guns.
• 20:20
  Speaker 8: I feel like that is a thread that ties together
• 20:24
  Speaker 8: a lot of the threats we're facing where we have
• 20:28
  Speaker 8: a very big majority on our side.
• 20:30
  Speaker 2: Melissa, what about you? What do you think is the main,
• 20:33
  Speaker 2: what should be the main takeaway from this story?
• 20:36
  Speaker 5: I think part of this is about showing the American
• 20:39
  Speaker 5: public how these pieces link together. Because right now, the
• 20:42
  Speaker 5: two narratives are sort of these disembodied events, the riot
• 20:46
  Speaker 5: at the Capitol, and then these machinations, alleged machinations that
• 20:50
  Speaker 5: are happening in the White House.
• 20:51
  Speaker 6: And to show that this is all part of the
• 20:54
  Speaker 6: same thing.
• 20:55
  Speaker 3: And the thing rots at the head.
• 20:58
  Speaker 5: The rot started in the Oval Office, and it then
• 21:00
  Speaker 5: led to the Capitol.
• 21:02
  Speaker 3: They're not disembodied.
• 21:03
  Speaker 5: They're actually completely joined up. and they're still joined up
• 21:06
  Speaker 5: to this day.
• 21:07
  Speaker 2: Yeah, I think that's important. And then.
• 21:10
  Speaker 4: To love it in Tommy's point, that rot is sort
• 21:14
  Speaker 4: of political extremism that's turned into violence. And it turned
• 21:17
  Speaker 4: into violence on January 6th, and it could turn into
• 21:20
  Speaker 4: violence again. And this is no longer just a debate
• 21:22
  Speaker 4: about Republican versus Democrat, conservative versus liberal. This is about
• 21:27
  Speaker 4: a faction in this country that has incited violence and
• 21:30
  Speaker 4: will again if they do not gain power.
• 21:33
  Speaker 2: I mean, that is just, you know.
• 21:34
  Speaker 1: And I.
• 21:34
  Speaker 4: Think it's going to be a tough struggle because I'm
• 21:37
  Speaker 4: sure all the Democrats on the committee and Cheney and
• 21:40
  Speaker 4: Kinzinger are all like, of course we want to focus
• 21:42
  Speaker 4: on the future. The media will naturally gravitate to the
• 21:45
  Speaker 4: explosive details that are revealed, which will all be about
• 21:48
  Speaker 4: the past. So it's going to be a constant struggle
• 21:51
  Speaker 4: for the people on the committee to sort of push
• 21:52
  Speaker 4: the narrative forward to be about the future because all
• 21:55
  Speaker 4: the coverage will be.
• 21:55
  Speaker 2: About, oh, then this happened and this happened in the past.
• 21:58
  Speaker 1: And I do think one other piece of this....
• 22:01
  Speaker 8: I know we're a bit inured to it, but it
• 22:02
  Speaker 8: is striking even in seeing these texts. And we saw
• 22:05
  Speaker 8: another tranche of them, many of which I think repeated
• 22:07
  Speaker 8: what we had seen in the past. But no one
• 22:09
  Speaker 8: understood the connection between what was happening at the Capitol
• 22:12
  Speaker 8: and what was happening at the White House than Trump's
• 22:15
  Speaker 8: biggest supporters. Laura Ingraham understood it. Sean Hannity understood it.
• 22:19
  Speaker 1: Don Jr. understood it.
• 22:21
  Speaker 8: Reince Priebus understood it. Yeah, eventually they came to decide
• 22:24
  Speaker 8: that it was Antifa. But isn't it strange? Isn't it
• 22:27
  Speaker 8: strange they thought that the Antifa at the Capitol would
• 22:30
  Speaker 8: leave if Trump told them to? Isn't that an interesting contradiction? Look,
• 22:39
  Speaker 8: we all have motion sickness from the nonstop whirl of
• 22:42
  Speaker 8: the 24-7 news cycle. So let's step back, take a breath,
• 22:52
  Speaker 8: and give ourselves a chance to say, okay, stop.
• 22:59
  Speaker 1: You all know the rules.
• 23:00
  Speaker 8: We're going to play a video. We're going to yell, okay, stop.
• 23:02
  Speaker 8: We're going to dig our little claws in like a pigeon.
• 23:06
  Speaker 1: When did this get added? A pigeon and a rat
• 23:10
  Speaker 1: fighting over a Sparrow slice. Come on.
• 23:15
  Speaker 8: But the slice is Laura Ingraham saying marijuana causes school shootings.
• 23:21
  Speaker 1: But this week we're going to focus on, it's Marjorie
• 23:23
  Speaker 1: Taylor Greene. Let's roll the clip.
• 23:25
  Speaker 10: You have to accept the fact that that the government
• 23:28
  Speaker 10: totally wants to provide surveillance on every part of your life.
• 23:33
  Speaker 10: They want to know when you're eating. They want to
• 23:35
  Speaker 10: know if you're eating a cheeseburger, which is very bad
• 23:38
  Speaker 10: because Bill Gates wants you to eat his fake meat
• 23:40
  Speaker 10: that grows in a petri dish.
• 23:41
  Speaker 2: Okay, stop.
• 23:44
  Speaker 8: I just want to say, I think that she knows
• 23:51
  Speaker 8: it's petri dish, and I think she's trying to make
• 23:54
  Speaker 8: petri dish sound foreign and scary.
• 23:59
  Speaker 4: I hope so, because what does she think that a
• 24:01
  Speaker 4: peach tree dish looks like?
• 24:04
  Speaker 2: That's my biggest question. Draw me a peach tree dish.
• 24:08
  Speaker 1: She's also reading.
• 24:10
  Speaker 7: These were prepared remarks.
• 24:21
  Speaker 1: Not the brightest bulb. Let's keep going.
• 24:24
  Speaker 10: So you'll probably get a little zap inside your body.
• 24:27
  Speaker 10: And that's saying, no, no, don't eat a real cheeseburger.
• 24:30
  Speaker 10: You need to eat the fake, the fake burger, the
• 24:32
  Speaker 10: fake meat from Bill Gates.
• 24:34
  Speaker 1: Okay, stop.
• 24:35
  Speaker 6: So the zap is from the space laser.
• 24:38
  Speaker 1: Yes. Yes, it is. Yes. It's a Jewish space laser.
• 24:43
  Speaker 9: Of course.
• 24:44
  Speaker 5: Right.
• 24:44
  Speaker 3: Of course.
• 24:45
  Speaker 1: We will not be erased.
• 24:48
  Speaker 8: We didn't spend all that time at our secret Jewish meetings.
• 24:53
  Speaker 8: developing plans for a space laser to have our accomplishments
• 24:57
  Speaker 8: be erased.
• 24:59
  Speaker 1: This isn't must-see TV, all right? We're allowed to... I
• 25:03
  Speaker 1: don't know.
• 25:04
  Speaker 8: I'm so sorry. I got excited. And the point is,
• 25:07
  Speaker 8: that zap is not a space... I mean, it could
• 25:09
  Speaker 8: be a space laser. It's more likely just indigestion.
• 25:13
  Speaker 4: I mean, this might be the 5G vaccine microchip talking,
• 25:17
  Speaker 4: but I kind of like fake meat once in a while.
• 25:20
  Speaker 2: Yeah, I mean, he's got me. He got me.
• 25:22
  Speaker 8: There's something so funny about, like, the fact that there
• 25:28
  Speaker 8: has to be, like, an ideological valence on every fucking thing.
• 25:32
  Speaker 8: It's like, hey, like, Impossible Burgers are cool. They're trying
• 25:36
  Speaker 8: to make fake meat that tastes just like real meat.
• 25:38
  Speaker 8: It's like a cool accomplishment. There's nothing wrong with it.
• 25:42
  Speaker 8: It's not liberal. There's nothing liberal about it.
• 25:44
  Speaker 1: It's okay.
• 25:44
  Speaker 2: No one's pushing them on you. Yeah, no one's making
• 25:46
  Speaker 2: you eat them. Except the companies that make them.
• 25:48
  Speaker 10: Yeah.
• 25:48
  Speaker 8: I mean, eventually we will replace all the meat with
• 25:51
  Speaker 8: the fake meat. Now we're going to be on Tucker again.
• 25:54
  Speaker 3: Wait, wait, wait.
• 25:56
  Speaker 1: That's twice I'm going to be on Tucker now.
• 25:57
  Speaker 4: Fuck.
• 25:58
  Speaker 5: It's the fake meat like salient green and it's actually
• 26:01
  Speaker 5: made of people.
• 26:02
  Speaker 1: What side are you on? I just want to know.
• 26:06
  Speaker 3: No, it's... Salient green is people.
• 26:09
  Speaker 1: Salient green is people, for sure.
• 26:12
  Speaker 3: Salient green is people.
• 26:13
  Speaker 1: All right, let's keep going.
• 26:16
  Speaker 10: They probably also want to know when you go to
• 26:18
  Speaker 10: the bathroom and if your bowel movements are are on
• 26:21
  Speaker 10: time or consistent.
• 26:23
  Speaker 1: Okay, stop.
• 26:30
  Speaker 5: This is the same woman who wants to obliterate reproductive rights,
• 26:34
  Speaker 5: like actually what people do with their bodies, but she's
• 26:36
  Speaker 5: complaining about this.
• 26:42
  Speaker 1: You know, this.
• 26:43
  Speaker 8: Happens with the 5G microchipping. It happens in moments like this.
• 26:48
  Speaker 8: how fucking interesting do you think you are? Marjorie Taylor Greene,
• 26:52
  Speaker 8: your fucking BM cycles are of no consequence to any
• 26:57
  Speaker 8: of us. I don't care if you shit before CrossFit
• 27:01
  Speaker 8: or after CrossFit.
• 27:02
  Speaker 4: Or during.
• 27:03
  Speaker 1: It doesn't matter.
• 27:04
  Speaker 7: I mean, she's also, she's always like a good point adjacent,
• 27:09
  Speaker 7: you know? Like, So you sort of want to know.
• 27:12
  Speaker 7: The NSA bulk surveillance and collection. The FISA courts. There's
• 27:16
  Speaker 7: a lot of reasons to be worried about government surveillance.
• 27:18
  Speaker 1: It's not because Bill Gates wants to know when you
• 27:21
  Speaker 1: took a shit.
• 27:21
  Speaker 2: Like, what the.
• 27:23
  Speaker 1: Fuck are you talking about? How did we get here?
• 27:25
  Speaker 1: And if Bill Gates wants to know when I'm pooping,
• 27:28
  Speaker 1: he just has to ask.
• 27:29
  Speaker 2: I'm happy to tell.
• 27:30
  Speaker 4: I was going to say, why is this secret information?
• 27:33
  Speaker 1: And the answer is, in the mornings or never. Just
• 27:39
  Speaker 1: have to wait. You have to.
• 27:41
  Speaker 2: Yeah, the body knows. I guess there is a right answer.
• 27:44
  Speaker 1: Let's edit that out of the pod. That's too much.
• 27:46
  Speaker 1: Cut it out. Just cut that. You get it.
• 27:49
  Speaker 2: Just trim it. Send that right to Gates.
• 27:50
  Speaker 5: Just trim it.
• 27:51
  Speaker 1: We have sponsors here. What else we got? Let's keep going.
• 27:57
  Speaker 10: They just want you to think that all of a
• 27:58
  Speaker 10: sudden the entire population is steadily turning gay or turning trans.
• 28:03
  Speaker 10: Just generation, generation. Probably in about four or five generations,
• 28:07
  Speaker 10: no one will be straight anymore.
• 28:09
  Speaker 1: Okay, stop. Hey, Marge. Marge, don't threaten us with a
• 28:17
  Speaker 1: good time.
• 28:20
  Speaker 2: Easiest applause line right.
• 28:24
  Speaker 1: There. Yeah, whatever he said.
• 28:30
  Speaker 2: Just saying.
• 28:32
  Speaker 1: You know, it's 2038. Kermit and Fozzie are fucking... Janice
• 28:39
  Speaker 1: dumps Miss Piggy.
• 28:40
  Speaker 2: What? Those are the last two, Kermit and Fozzie. No, no.
• 28:44
  Speaker 1: I'm saying they're gay now.
• 28:46
  Speaker 2: That's what I'm saying. They were the holdouts. They were
• 28:51
  Speaker 2: the holdouts. Let's keep rolling the clip.
• 28:55
  Speaker 10: One will be either gay or trans or non-conforming or
• 28:59
  Speaker 10: whatever the list of 50 or 60 different options are.
• 29:05
  Speaker 8: And I think straight will probably stay on that list.
• 29:09
  Speaker 8: And that's what I think is important. If you get
• 29:11
  Speaker 8: to 50, 53, straight will be there and you can
• 29:13
  Speaker 8: pick it. You may have to live somewhere else. Somewhere
• 29:18
  Speaker 8: just for you. But it'll be fine. We'll bring you
• 29:22
  Speaker 8: whatever you need. Old Navy clothes. Episodes of The Bachelor.
• 29:32
  Speaker 8: You live in downtown Boston. You go to Bruins games.
• 29:36
  Speaker 8: You can do your gender reveal parties.
• 29:39
  Speaker 2: You fucking. freaks.
• 29:40
  Speaker 1: Start a forest fire, yeah. The point is, the point is,
• 29:47
  Speaker 1: we're not all gay yet. And until that day comes,
• 29:52
  Speaker 1: please head to crooked.com slash pride.
• 29:59
  Speaker 8: There you can find all about what we're doing all
• 30:01
  Speaker 8: through June. We're fundraising for Trans Lifeline, the Trans Education
• 30:05
  Speaker 8: Network of Texas, and Equality Florida, three organizations that provide
• 30:10
  Speaker 8: incredible support for people on the ground and do a
• 30:13
  Speaker 8: lot of activism to change laws. They're doing great work,
• 30:16
  Speaker 8: so go to crooked.com slash pride to support what they're
• 30:18
  Speaker 8: doing right now.
• 30:19
  Speaker 1: Coming up next, more news. Thank you.
• 30:35
  Speaker 2: All right, let's get back to the news.
• 30:37
  Speaker 4: So just an hour before the show started, President Biden
• 30:40
  Speaker 4: gave a speech urging Congress to address America's gun violence epidemic.
• 30:49
  Speaker 4: An epidemic which now sadly includes yet another mass shooting
• 30:52
  Speaker 4: just on Wednesday that left five dead at a hospital
• 30:54
  Speaker 4: in Tulsa, including the killer. So House Democrats are going
• 30:58
  Speaker 4: to try, apparently next week, to pass a law that
• 31:01
  Speaker 4: cracks down on ghost guns and large capacity magazines while
• 31:04
  Speaker 4: raising the gun purchasing age from 18 to 21. Nancy
• 31:07
  Speaker 4: Pelosi said also separately they will take up an assault
• 31:10
  Speaker 4: weapons ban. And I will say from Biden's speech, he
• 31:20
  Speaker 4: also advocated for all of these measures as well. Unlikely
• 31:24
  Speaker 4: that any of that passes the Senate, unfortunately, but there's
• 31:28
  Speaker 4: a bipartisan group of senators there who say they're making
• 31:31
  Speaker 4: progress on a package that might include expanding background checks,
• 31:35
  Speaker 4: funding for mental health services and school security, and incentives
• 31:38
  Speaker 4: for states to pass red flag laws that would allow
• 31:40
  Speaker 4: authorities to confiscate firearms from people deemed to be threats
• 31:43
  Speaker 4: to themselves and others. So, Lovett, there's a lot of
• 31:48
  Speaker 4: we're closer than we've ever been talk coming out of
• 31:50
  Speaker 4: Congress right now on this. How skeptical or hopeful are you,
• 31:55
  Speaker 4: and what do you think about the potential deal that's
• 31:57
  Speaker 4: coming together here?
• 32:01
  Speaker 8: I would say that I am skeptical about them doing
• 32:04
  Speaker 8: something hopeful. But I'm hopeful about something I'm quite skeptical about.
• 32:11
  Speaker 8: You know, the last time we were this close to
• 32:13
  Speaker 8: passing something was after Sandy Hook... That was a background
• 32:16
  Speaker 8: check bill that failed in the Senate, even though it
• 32:19
  Speaker 8: was a bipartisan compromise. All but a few Republicans were
• 32:23
  Speaker 8: against it. Four Democrats who were from states like, at
• 32:26
  Speaker 8: the time, North Dakota, Montana, Arkansas, also voted against it.
• 32:30
  Speaker 8: I think that you do feel even now there has
• 32:32
  Speaker 8: been a shift, right? I think all Democrats would be
• 32:34
  Speaker 8: united in favor of this kind of a compromise, and
• 32:37
  Speaker 8: even the compromise they're discussing in the Senate goes a
• 32:40
  Speaker 8: bit beyond what was discussed back then.
• 32:43
  Speaker 1: That said....
• 32:46
  Speaker 8: You look at what's being discussed in the Senate, and
• 32:48
  Speaker 8: then you look at what someone like McConnell has been saying, right?
• 32:51
  Speaker 8: There's conversation about mental health. There's conversation about hardening schools.
• 32:55
  Speaker 1: Doors.
• 32:56
  Speaker 6: Don't forget the doors.
• 32:56
  Speaker 1: Fucking unbelievable.
• 32:57
  Speaker 2: Fewer doors. That'll do it. You know.
• 33:00
  Speaker 5: That was the senator from Cancun. The senator from Cancun.
• 33:06
  Speaker 2: It was Ted Cruz.
• 33:08
  Speaker 10: Yes.
• 33:08
  Speaker 1: Door control. That's what we need. Door control.
• 33:12
  Speaker 8: So what McConnell has said is he's open to it.
• 33:15
  Speaker 8: conversation about things like mental health and beefing up school security,
• 33:20
  Speaker 8: and then talks about the importance of upholding the Second Amendment.
• 33:23
  Speaker 8: I think it is possible to get something on mental health.
• 33:27
  Speaker 8: It's possible to get something on security, that you can't
• 33:29
  Speaker 8: secure the world from these things. It is unlikely that
• 33:32
  Speaker 8: we get a very strong, obviously we're not going to
• 33:34
  Speaker 8: get a ban on assault weapons. Hard to imagine even
• 33:37
  Speaker 8: getting the age raised to 21, even though that would
• 33:40
  Speaker 8: make a massive difference. But The question is, can we
• 33:43
  Speaker 8: get something on red flags and background checks? I think
• 33:45
  Speaker 8: we honestly don't know. I think right now we don't
• 33:47
  Speaker 8: know if that's possible. And we also don't know what
• 33:49
  Speaker 8: Democrats would do if it became clear that we couldn't
• 33:52
  Speaker 8: even get something as paltry as that. Is it worth
• 33:56
  Speaker 8: doing just something on mental health and school security if
• 34:00
  Speaker 8: we can't get something on red flag, if we can't
• 34:01
  Speaker 8: get something on background checks?
• 34:03
  Speaker 1: I don't know. It feels like a moment where we
• 34:04
  Speaker 1: have to do something.
• 34:06
  Speaker 8: But I think it's still reasonable to have some hope
• 34:09
  Speaker 8: there can be something on red flag laws, something on
• 34:11
  Speaker 8: background checks.
• 34:12
  Speaker 4: Yeah, I think that the challenge you get in the
• 34:14
  Speaker 4: Senate is because you have Manchin and Sinema who want
• 34:17
  Speaker 4: to get rid of the filibuster. So you need to
• 34:19
  Speaker 4: count to 10 on the Republican side. Once you get
• 34:21
  Speaker 4: past your Susan Collins, Murkowski, Romney, Republicans who are retiring,
• 34:27
  Speaker 4: you basically get into either extremely conservative Republicans or Republicans
• 34:30
  Speaker 4: who want to be the next Mitch McConnell. And none
• 34:33
  Speaker 4: of the Republican senators who want to be the next
• 34:35
  Speaker 4: Mitch McConnell want to get to the left of any
• 34:37
  Speaker 4: of their other competitors. So like John Cornyn's been talking
• 34:40
  Speaker 4: to Chris Murphy for a year about red flag laws
• 34:43
  Speaker 4: and stuff like that, but if John Thune or John
• 34:46
  Speaker 4: Barrasso or any of these other Republicans who want to
• 34:48
  Speaker 4: challenge John Thune for leader see that he's for red
• 34:52
  Speaker 4: flag laws, then they'll.
• 34:54
  Speaker 2: Give him shit with the rest of the caucus.
• 34:55
  Speaker 4: So the caucus, the Republican caucus is so extreme that
• 34:58
  Speaker 4: it is very difficult to imagine 10 Republican senators getting
• 35:03
  Speaker 4: together to agree to even the most minor reforms, unless
• 35:07
  Speaker 4: it's a red flag. And I don't know, maybe you
• 35:09
  Speaker 4: set up a red flag law so that it is
• 35:11
  Speaker 4: so broad, and I don't know how you might do this,
• 35:14
  Speaker 4: that it somehow pleases Republicans, because I'm sure they're going
• 35:17
  Speaker 4: to be mad that some judge is going to take
• 35:18
  Speaker 4: away people's guns.
• 35:20
  Speaker 8: Well, and also just to your point, the question then
• 35:24
  Speaker 8: isn't about getting $ 10, 000. it's because some of the pressures
• 35:27
  Speaker 8: inside the caucus, you're starting to think like, okay, what's
• 35:29
  Speaker 8: something that would get 20 Republican votes, where they'd feel
• 35:31
  Speaker 8: they'd have some protection to go along with this.
• 35:33
  Speaker 1: Exactly.
• 35:34
  Speaker 4: And that doesn't seem like a very stringent gun law
• 35:37
  Speaker 4: that would get 20. Melissa, so while Congress debates doing
• 35:44
  Speaker 4: like literally anything about guns, we're also waiting for what
• 35:48
  Speaker 4: might be the Supreme Court's most important Second Amendment ruling
• 35:51
  Speaker 4: in more.
• 35:51
  Speaker 2: Than a decade.
• 35:53
  Speaker 4: Can you talk a little bit about what that case
• 35:54
  Speaker 4: is about and the implications that the ruling could have?
• 35:58
  Speaker 7: Sure.
• 35:58
  Speaker 5: So currently pending before the court is a case called
• 36:01
  Speaker 5: New York State Rifle and Pistol Association versus Bruin. And
• 36:05
  Speaker 5: it is a challenge to New York State's concealed carry
• 36:08
  Speaker 5: permitting regime. And this was argued in the November sitting.
• 36:13
  Speaker 5: There were about 11 cases in the November sitting. This
• 36:16
  Speaker 5: is the only one for which a decision has yet
• 36:19
  Speaker 5: to be announced. So Hold on to that for a minute.
• 36:22
  Speaker 5: It was very clear at oral argument in November that
• 36:24
  Speaker 5: there were definitely five justices who were ready to expand
• 36:29
  Speaker 5: the scope of the Second Amendment, which had been expanded
• 36:33
  Speaker 5: by the court in 2008 and Heller versus the District
• 36:35
  Speaker 5: of Columbia to allow for a Second Amendment right of
• 36:39
  Speaker 5: individuals to maintain firearms for the purposes of home defense.
• 36:44
  Speaker 5: This would obviously expand that further to allow for public
• 36:48
  Speaker 5: carrying of weapons. And the only question that appeared in
• 36:52
  Speaker 5: that oral argument was whether states would still be permitted
• 36:56
  Speaker 5: to cordon off quote-unquote sensitive areas where there could still
• 36:59
  Speaker 5: be restrictions on public carry, like stadia or school campuses
• 37:04
  Speaker 5: or things like that, or the New York subway, as
• 37:06
  Speaker 5: Elena Kagan, an inveterate New Yorker, kept mentioning. And so
• 37:11
  Speaker 5: I'm going to come back to this idea that This
• 37:13
  Speaker 5: case seemed pretty clear back in November, and it's been
• 37:17
  Speaker 5: a long time. And the court is winding down now
• 37:19
  Speaker 5: and trying to push out all of the leftover opinions.
• 37:22
  Speaker 5: And this one's still outstanding. And I wonder if they
• 37:27
  Speaker 5: have this in the can, ready to go. But they're
• 37:30
  Speaker 5: finally able to read the room and realize that they
• 37:33
  Speaker 5: can't release an opinion blowing open the Second Amendment in
• 37:37
  Speaker 5: this political climate right now.
• 37:39
  Speaker 4: So they're going to wait for like the 24 hours
• 37:41
  Speaker 4: where there's not a mass shooting to.
• 37:42
  Speaker 2: Get it out there?
• 37:44
  Speaker 5: Or, I mean, maybe they think that the temperature will
• 37:46
  Speaker 5: lower a little bit and there will be.
• 37:48
  Speaker 3: A better time.
• 37:49
  Speaker 5: But they were supposed to release opinions on Monday and
• 37:52
  Speaker 5: nothing came out, which is really, really surprising.
• 37:55
  Speaker 3: Given the timing. Yeah, we're in June. It's go time.
• 37:59
  Speaker 3: And nothing.
• 38:00
  Speaker 5: And so I just wonder if, you know, even they
• 38:03
  Speaker 5: are wary of being incredibly ghoulish in this moment.
• 38:06
  Speaker 2: Can I say, like, what are the implications of this ruling?
• 38:09
  Speaker 4: Because I read somewhere, like, could it mean that states
• 38:12
  Speaker 4: that pass laws to prevent people from carrying handguns in public, like,
• 38:19
  Speaker 4: it would overrule that?
• 38:20
  Speaker 2: Like, they would not be able to pass those laws?
• 38:22
  Speaker 5: It's not immediately obvious that all concealed carry regimes would
• 38:26
  Speaker 5: be invalidated.
• 38:27
  Speaker 3: New York's was.
• 38:29
  Speaker 5: Especially discretionary, gave a lot of discretion to policymakers and
• 38:33
  Speaker 5: the officials to decide who could have a permit and
• 38:35
  Speaker 5: who couldn't. And so I think it would depend on
• 38:38
  Speaker 5: the level of discretion. But I think what it would
• 38:40
  Speaker 5: entail is that there are going to be more challenges
• 38:42
  Speaker 5: in other states. And my strict scrutiny co-host, Kate Shaw,
• 38:46
  Speaker 5: had a terrific op-ed.
• 38:48
  Speaker 1: Op-ed.
• 38:49
  Speaker 2: Op-ed.
• 38:51
  Speaker 1: And they're so important right now.
• 38:54
  Speaker 3: This one was really important.
• 38:57
  Speaker 5: So this is an op-ed that Kate wrote with John Bash,
• 39:00
  Speaker 5: who was the Scalia clerk who worked on the Heller opinion.
• 39:04
  Speaker 5: Kate clerked for Justice Stevens and was the clerk who
• 39:07
  Speaker 5: helped him write that dissent. And basically, they argue that
• 39:12
  Speaker 5: Heller is not to be construed, it wasn't intended to
• 39:15
  Speaker 5: be construed as this sort of, you know, bomb that
• 39:18
  Speaker 5: you put on any kind of gun reform legislation. And
• 39:21
  Speaker 5: Republicans are great at this, but Heller, but Heller, the
• 39:23
  Speaker 5: Second Amendment, but Heller. And Kate and John, I think,
• 39:26
  Speaker 5: lay out the case very well that, Heller does expand
• 39:29
  Speaker 5: the scope of the Second Amendment to some degree, but
• 39:32
  Speaker 5: it is not intended to eliminate any prospect of meaningful
• 39:36
  Speaker 5: gun reform. And in fact, Justice Scalia specifically says that
• 39:39
  Speaker 5: there can be reasonable gun reform and enumerates the kind
• 39:42
  Speaker 5: of gun reform that.
• 39:43
  Speaker 3: That you might have. And so what Heller has really done.
• 39:47
  Speaker 5: Um, in addition to expanding the scope of the second
• 39:49
  Speaker 5: amendment is actually served as a really potent deterrent to
• 39:52
  Speaker 5: doing anything.
• 39:53
  Speaker 6: And that's something that it shouldn't be allowed to do.
• 39:55
  Speaker 2: We shouldn't see it that way.
• 39:56
  Speaker 10: Yeah.
• 39:57
  Speaker 4: So Tommy, you know, guns have already become a big
• 39:59
  Speaker 4: issue in the midterm campaign. Um, democratic candidates like John Fetterman,
• 40:04
  Speaker 4: who's running for Senate in Pennsylvania, um, He recently said
• 40:10
  Speaker 4: that the party needs to be ruthless on gun control and.
• 40:13
  Speaker 2: Get rid of the filibuster to pass it, which is great.
• 40:19
  Speaker 4: Meanwhile, Republicans like Mo Brooks of Alabama recently said that
• 40:23
  Speaker 4: the Second Amendment exists to, quote, take back our government
• 40:26
  Speaker 4: should it become dictatorial. This is someone who's running for
• 40:29
  Speaker 4: Senate in Alabama. North Carolina Lieutenant Governor Mark Robinson said,
• 40:35
  Speaker 4: said he owns an AR-15, quote, in case the government
• 40:38
  Speaker 4: gets too big for its britches. He's rumored to be
• 40:42
  Speaker 4: running for governor of North Carolina in 2024. And Pennsylvania
• 40:46
  Speaker 4: gubernatorial nominee Doug Mastriano said this about gun control just
• 40:50
  Speaker 4: the other day, quote, we saw Hitler do the same
• 40:53
  Speaker 4: thing in Germany.
• 40:54
  Speaker 2: In the 30s.
• 40:56
  Speaker 4: Hitler references, always great in politics.
• 41:00
  Speaker 2: Tommy?
• 41:00
  Speaker 4: Do you think Republican candidates have landed on the most
• 41:03
  Speaker 4: effective swing state messages on guns here? Oh, absolutely.
• 41:05
  Speaker 1: You know, also Beto O'Rourke, I think, deserves a shout out.
• 41:08
  Speaker 7: For fighting the good fight on guns in Texas. I mean,
• 41:14
  Speaker 7: I do think lifting up examples like you just did
• 41:17
  Speaker 7: is really important because it shows how extreme the Republican
• 41:19
  Speaker 7: Party is on guns for a couple of reasons. One,
• 41:23
  Speaker 7: it just shows their utter indifference to the events around them.
• 41:27
  Speaker 1: I mean, children being murdered.
• 41:28
  Speaker 7: But it also shows, it's part of this broader story
• 41:32
  Speaker 7: that we were talking about earlier about extremism.
• 41:34
  Speaker 2: Of the GOP.
• 41:34
  Speaker 7: Because these guys go to these crazy places. Everything is
• 41:40
  Speaker 7: this paranoid fantasy where a minor, modest gun control law
• 41:45
  Speaker 7: is a slippery slope to tyranny. Or they get into
• 41:48
  Speaker 7: this weird vigilante cosplay fantasy where every teacher is one
• 41:53
  Speaker 7: glock away from being Rambo. It's like, They all sound
• 41:56
  Speaker 7: like Mark Wahlberg when he said he would have stopped
• 41:59
  Speaker 7: the 9-11 hijackers.
• 42:00
  Speaker 1: Do you guys remember this?
• 42:03
  Speaker 7: Mark Wahlberg gave an interview where he said if he
• 42:04
  Speaker 7: had been on that plane, shit would have gone differently.
• 42:06
  Speaker 2: That actually happened.
• 42:08
  Speaker 1: Anyway, these are not fringe people, though.
• 42:10
  Speaker 7: Like, Doug Mastriano could be the next governor of Pennsylvania,
• 42:14
  Speaker 7: and he's not the first guy to drop the fucking
• 42:17
  Speaker 7: Hitler argument. Ben Carson did this in 2016 and had
• 42:21
  Speaker 7: to apologize for it. And so, like, the point is, like...
• 42:26
  Speaker 7: Compromising with these people is going to be really hard.
• 42:28
  Speaker 7: Mitch McConnell has spent two decades blocking any kind of
• 42:31
  Speaker 7: meaningful gun reform. So the only solution here is going
• 42:33
  Speaker 7: to be making sure that people understand the stakes here,
• 42:37
  Speaker 7: communicating to our base, and turning people out.
• 42:40
  Speaker 1: It's also like, yes. And voting. Voting is good.
• 42:44
  Speaker 8: It's also like, you step back for a second and
• 42:47
  Speaker 8: you look at what their answers are, and it's give
• 42:50
  Speaker 8: police tanks guns. make police more, heavily arm the police
• 42:55
  Speaker 8: with even more and more powerful weapons, turn our schools
• 42:58
  Speaker 8: into jails, put security everywhere. They want guns to protect
• 43:05
  Speaker 8: themselves against a police state, and then they want us
• 43:07
  Speaker 8: to live in a police state to protect us against
• 43:10
  Speaker 8: the guns that they flooded our society with.
• 43:17
  Speaker 4: But I also think, to Tommy's point, too, it is
• 43:22
  Speaker 4: worth noting the shift in rhetoric from a lot of
• 43:25
  Speaker 4: these Republicans, right? Like, the argument about guns and gun
• 43:28
  Speaker 4: rights used to be, want my gun for hunting, and
• 43:31
  Speaker 4: maybe I want a handgun to protect my family. And
• 43:34
  Speaker 4: now it's very openly saying, no, no, no, we want
• 43:37
  Speaker 4: guns to overthrow the government if we need to. Like,
• 43:42
  Speaker 4: that is just like, it's the same shift on abortion,
• 43:45
  Speaker 4: on gay rights, on almost every one of these cultural issues.
• 43:47
  Speaker 4: They are now so overstepping and going so far to
• 43:51
  Speaker 4: the extreme that I do think that they have lost
• 43:53
  Speaker 4: the plot in terms of where most of the country is.
• 43:58
  Speaker 2: Most people don't own.
• 43:59
  Speaker 4: Guns because they think they're going to overthrow the fucking
• 44:01
  Speaker 4: government right now.
• 44:02
  Speaker 2: That is crazy.
• 44:03
  Speaker 7: Or that they're living in Red Dawn and a couple
• 44:06
  Speaker 7: of random well-armed citizens could fight off either the German
• 44:11
  Speaker 7: military in the late 30s or the US military.
• 44:13
  Speaker 1: What the fuck are we talking about?
• 44:15
  Speaker 8: It's also, I mean, look, They also, in their feverish imaginations,
• 44:20
  Speaker 8: 100% of the members of their little militia are white.
• 44:23
  Speaker 8: And they would not be so happy to see a
• 44:25
  Speaker 8: group of armed black people threatening the government because they're
• 44:30
  Speaker 8: worried about their freedom, their right to exist, without living
• 44:35
  Speaker 8: in fear. So it's all, I think it's all fucked.
• 44:39
  Speaker 7: I think historically speaking, that was the only time the
• 44:41
  Speaker 7: NRA started to come out in support of gun laws.
• 44:44
  Speaker 2: Gun control, yeah.
• 44:46
  Speaker 4: It raises the questions, of course, like what should Democratic
• 44:49
  Speaker 4: candidates and the rest of us do and say about
• 44:51
  Speaker 4: this issue between now and November?
• 44:52
  Speaker 2: How big of an issue should we make it in
• 44:54
  Speaker 2: the midterms?
• 44:56
  Speaker 1: I mean, pretty central.
• 44:57
  Speaker 7: I mean, my question, I have a question back for you,
• 45:00
  Speaker 7: which is that you guys, Joe Biden did a primetime
• 45:04
  Speaker 7: Oval Office address this evening about this issue.
• 45:08
  Speaker 1: Panacea? Going to solve the problem?
• 45:10
  Speaker 2: Good way to communicate? Bad way? What do you think? Yeah,
• 45:12
  Speaker 2: speech is always a problem.
• 45:13
  Speaker 1: What do you think, speechwriters?
• 45:15
  Speaker 8: Look, I'll say, you know, Cornell Belcher has been talking
• 45:17
  Speaker 8: about this, and I think he makes a really good point, which, like,
• 45:22
  Speaker 8: there is a, these issues, there are tens of millions
• 45:27
  Speaker 8: of women in this country. They are who helped Democrats
• 45:30
  Speaker 8: win the House in 2018. They were helped to deliver
• 45:33
  Speaker 8: the White House in 2020. And they are motivated by
• 45:38
  Speaker 8: access to reproductive care and bodily autonomy. They are motivated
• 45:41
  Speaker 8: by safety for their children in schools. You know, that
• 45:50
  Speaker 8: is a coalition that we can bring together to kind
• 45:55
  Speaker 8: of overcome some of the obstacles we knew we were
• 45:57
  Speaker 8: always going to face going into this midterm.
• 45:58
  Speaker 6: You also don't need to make them two separate issues.
• 46:01
  Speaker 5: Like, raising your children in conditions of safety is a
• 46:05
  Speaker 5: reproductive justice issue.
• 46:07
  Speaker 7: And it's good to see, like, people are kind of, like,
• 46:14
  Speaker 7: dusting off their desire to get out in the streets
• 46:17
  Speaker 7: to march to go to rallies right there was a
• 46:19
  Speaker 7: big pro reproductive rights rally when was that two weeks
• 46:23
  Speaker 7: ago three weeks ago there's another big um gun control
• 46:26
  Speaker 7: rally on june 11th.
• 46:27
  Speaker 4: Yeah march for our lives across the country i think
• 46:31
  Speaker 4: like that.
• 46:31
  Speaker 7: Kind of direct action is really important because at least
• 46:34
  Speaker 7: to your point love it like Should Congress bank a
• 46:37
  Speaker 7: law right now, even if it's really modest and doesn't
• 46:40
  Speaker 7: solve the problem?
• 46:41
  Speaker 1: My vote would be yes.
• 46:42
  Speaker 7: I would say bank whatever we can bank, because if
• 46:43
  Speaker 7: you can save one life, you save one life, and
• 46:45
  Speaker 7: then keep going and try to fight the next fight.
• 46:49
  Speaker 4: I think the reason that all of this organizing, like
• 46:52
  Speaker 4: what March for Our Lives is going to do Saturday
• 46:54
  Speaker 4: the 11th, everyone should find a rally or a march
• 46:57
  Speaker 4: in your local city. The reason it's so important is
• 47:00
  Speaker 4: because we are fighting against just shortening attention spans from
• 47:05
  Speaker 4: all of us and from the media. There was a
• 47:08
  Speaker 4: really depressing chart that showed the number of clicks, social
• 47:13
  Speaker 4: media posts, attention on gun violence after different mass shootings.
• 47:23
  Speaker 4: And the last ones, they would spike and then they
• 47:27
  Speaker 4: would sort of go down slowly, like Parkland spiked really high,
• 47:30
  Speaker 4: and then it took a long time for it to
• 47:31
  Speaker 4: finally die down.
• 47:34
  Speaker 2: And after Buffalo, it was like three days. And then already.
• 47:41
  Speaker 4: After last week, it was like down after 24 hours,
• 47:44
  Speaker 4: 48 hours. So we are not going to, it's good
• 47:48
  Speaker 4: that Joe Biden gave a speech, of course. Is Joe
• 47:50
  Speaker 4: Biden's speech going to fix this? Absolutely not. But like,
• 47:53
  Speaker 4: Joe Biden and every single Democratic official and every single
• 47:56
  Speaker 4: Democratic candidate and every single activist and all of us
• 47:59
  Speaker 4: should be talking about this issue and reproductive justice and
• 48:02
  Speaker 4: all these issues every single day. And we should be
• 48:04
  Speaker 4: out there on the doors talking to people because we
• 48:06
  Speaker 4: cannot count on the media to give these issues attention.
• 48:10
  Speaker 2: All the time. That's not going to work.
• 48:12
  Speaker 4: What's going to work is pounding the pavement, knocking on doors,
• 48:14
  Speaker 4: going to these rallies day after day after day between
• 48:17
  Speaker 4: now and November.
• 48:18
  Speaker 7: And Parkland didn't stay in the news because it was
• 48:21
  Speaker 7: more interesting or people cared more. It stayed in the
• 48:23
  Speaker 7: news because those students who were a victim of that
• 48:26
  Speaker 7: horror stayed out there every day. They were on the news.
• 48:29
  Speaker 7: They were doing bus tours around the country. They were
• 48:32
  Speaker 7: bringing in kids from other parts of the country who
• 48:34
  Speaker 7: hadn't been a part of the violence, and they led
• 48:36
  Speaker 7: a massive march.
• 48:37
  Speaker 1: And that's got to be the next step.
• 48:39
  Speaker 4: It is entirely up to us. It is entirely up
• 48:41
  Speaker 4: to us. And before we bring out the Attorney General,
• 48:44
  Speaker 4: we do want to recognize... Another example of very successful organizing,
• 48:48
  Speaker 4: particularly here in New York, it began last August up
• 48:51
  Speaker 4: in Buffalo with two stores that wanted to organize for
• 48:55
  Speaker 4: better pay and working conditions. And here's a clip of
• 49:00
  Speaker 4: Bernie Sanders telling us what happened next.
• 49:04
  Speaker 9: That union organizing effort at Starbucks is spreading like wildfire
• 49:10
  Speaker 9: all across the country. In fact, last Friday, Workers in
• 49:16
  Speaker 9: New York City successfully voted to form the first Starbucks
• 49:22
  Speaker 9: union roastery and 10th union Starbucks coffee shop in the country.
• 49:30
  Speaker 1: And in the coming weeks and months.
• 49:33
  Speaker 9: Starbucks workers in some 170 other coffee shops in 27
• 49:41
  Speaker 9: states will be holding union elections.
• 49:49
  Speaker 4: So last week, Starbucks Workers United hit a huge milestone.
• 49:54
  Speaker 4: Its hundredth store voted to unionize. We can expect many
• 49:57
  Speaker 4: more in the coming months. To tell us more about
• 49:59
  Speaker 4: their success is Will Westlake, a barista and organizer from
• 50:03
  Speaker 4: just outside of Buffalo.
• 50:05
  Speaker 2: Will, come on up.
• 50:09
  Speaker 9: Look at that.
• 50:11
  Speaker 2: Nice to meet you.
• 50:12
  Speaker 1: Nice meeting you. Hi, everyone.
• 50:16
  Speaker 4: Hi there.
• 50:18
  Speaker 11: Yes, so thank you guys so much for the introduction.
• 50:20
  Speaker 11: Thank you, Bernie Sanders. Can't say that enough. Yeah, this
• 50:27
  Speaker 11: is a really exciting movement. We now, as we just said,
• 50:30
  Speaker 11: have more than 100 stores that have organized across the country.
• 50:33
  Speaker 11: We're winning in Buffalo. We're winning in Seattle, in Starbucks' hometown.
• 50:38
  Speaker 11: We're winning in deep blue Vermont and we're winning in
• 50:40
  Speaker 11: deep red Oklahoma.
• 50:42
  Speaker 4: And, you.
• 50:44
  Speaker 11: Know, I really can't stress enough just the resilience and
• 50:47
  Speaker 11: the amazing people that I work with shoulder to shoulder
• 50:49
  Speaker 11: every day behind the bar. And, you know, for those
• 50:53
  Speaker 11: of you who didn't know about this movement, I'm really
• 50:55
  Speaker 11: excited to share this with you. But I also want
• 50:58
  Speaker 11: to talk about how hard it has been to be
• 51:01
  Speaker 11: a part of this movement because What we have seen
• 51:03
  Speaker 11: from Starbucks, from the company, is one of the worst
• 51:07
  Speaker 11: union-busting campaigns in recent U.S.
• 51:09
  Speaker 2: History.
• 51:11
  Speaker 1: And when 44.
• 51:12
  Speaker 11: Of my fellow baristas and I wrote a letter to
• 51:18
  Speaker 11: then-CEO Kevin Johnson, we asked for a fair election, we
• 51:20
  Speaker 11: asked for Starbucks to respect the law. just in the
• 51:24
  Speaker 11: last couple of weeks, the National Labor Relations Board has
• 51:27
  Speaker 11: found merit in over 200 violations by Starbucks in Buffalo
• 51:31
  Speaker 11: alone of the National Labor Relations Act. And, you know,
• 51:36
  Speaker 11: this from a company that claims to be a progressive company. And,
• 51:40
  Speaker 11: you know, Melody Hobson, who was just honored at MoMA
• 51:44
  Speaker 11: this Tuesday in New York City, who's the chair of
• 51:47
  Speaker 11: the Board of Directors of claims that there hasn't been
• 51:50
  Speaker 11: any union busting going on at all from the company.
• 51:54
  Speaker 11: But when we wrote a letter to her a few
• 51:56
  Speaker 11: months ago, she didn't respond to us directly. Instead, she
• 52:00
  Speaker 11: used Littler Mendelson, one of the most notorious union busting
• 52:03
  Speaker 11: law firms, the same people that Walmart employs to bust
• 52:06
  Speaker 11: their workers' unions, to send a response that further attacked
• 52:11
  Speaker 11: the union, further tried to say that this wasn't the
• 52:13
  Speaker 11: worker-led movement and the inspirational campaign that it has been.
• 52:17
  Speaker 11: And this is coming from someone, Melody Hobson, who actually
• 52:22
  Speaker 11: has made millions off of union pensions herself. So I
• 52:29
  Speaker 11: think I can't stress enough just the amount of pressure
• 52:32
  Speaker 11: that baristas have been under and the resilience that we've had.
• 52:36
  Speaker 11: We now have over 300 stores that are going to
• 52:39
  Speaker 11: be going into elections in the next couple of months.
• 52:41
  Speaker 11: And here's to 1,000 stores.
• 52:48
  Speaker 2: Thank you so much. Thank you. Appreciate it. Okay.
• 52:58
  Speaker 4: When we come back, Lovett and Melissa will talk to
• 53:01
  Speaker 4: Attorney General Letitia James.
• 53:19
  Speaker 8: Joining us now, she's taking on the gun lobby, Andrew Cuomo,
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  Speaker 8: and the Trump Organization.
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  Speaker 1: One more and she gets a free sub.
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  Speaker 8: Please welcome the Attorney General of the State of New York,
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  Speaker 8: Brooklyn's own Tish James.
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  Speaker 3: Come here, yuck.
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  Speaker 1: They love you. Hi, good to see ya. Wanna go here? Welcome,
• 54:01
  Speaker 1: good to see ya.
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  Speaker 6: Nice to see you.
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  Speaker 3: Is Brooklyn in the house?
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  Speaker 1: Yes. Without a doubt.
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  Speaker 3: Can we call you General?
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  Speaker 10: No.
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  Speaker 3: I wanna call you General.
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  Speaker 6: No, don't do that.
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  Speaker 3: I'm just Tish from Brooklyn.
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  Speaker 8: That's what we were instructed to call the Attorney General
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  Speaker 8: the last time.
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  Speaker 1: Just Tish from Brooklyn.
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  Speaker 3: Exactly.
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  Speaker 2: Brooklyn.
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  Speaker 6: Hard.
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  Speaker 1: Very hard.
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  Speaker 3: Why don't all Attorney Generals do that?
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  Speaker 6: Why isn't it like Merrick from Chevy Chase?
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  Speaker 3: One, it sounds too militaristic.
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  Speaker 6: I'm a pacifist.
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  Speaker 12: Two, I want to be reminded of my humble beginnings
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  Speaker 12: and where I come from. And so that's why I
• 54:50
  Speaker 12: don't want to change. I just want to be this
• 54:53
  Speaker 12: scrappy person who stands up to bullies. That's it.
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  Speaker 6: Oh, okay.
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  Speaker 12: So he told me I could put the mic down,
• 55:03
  Speaker 12: and now they want.
• 55:04
  Speaker 1: Me to put it up. So let's dive in.
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  Speaker 8: So last year, New York passed the Public Nuisance Bill,
• 55:09
  Speaker 8: which allows the state to sue gun manufacturers and sellers.
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  Speaker 8: Connecticut has a similar law, but allowed families to sue
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  Speaker 8: the manufacturer of the weapon used in Sandy Hook. Has
• 55:18
  Speaker 8: the gun industry changed any of its business practices in
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  Speaker 8: response to this law in New York? Can you talk
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  Speaker 8: a little bit about how your office has begun to
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  Speaker 8: enforce the law?
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  Speaker 4: Sure.
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  Speaker 12: So as you know, the state legislature created this public
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  Speaker 12: nuisance law because, unfortunately, the United States Congress established immunity
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  Speaker 12: for gun manufacturers and gun distributors.
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  Speaker 6: They benefit from all of that.
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  Speaker 12: So the legislature decided to create a gun nuisance law
• 55:47
  Speaker 12: as an exception to this immunity law. The gun lobby
• 55:53
  Speaker 12: decided to sue the state, basically saying that we were preempted.
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  Speaker 12: We defended the law, we were successful, and we are developing.
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  Speaker 12: And so we are looking at some fact patterns, and
• 56:09
  Speaker 12: so stay tuned.
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  Speaker 2: Okay.
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  Speaker 12: All right.
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  Speaker 5: Other states are looking at this right now, especially the
• 56:15
  Speaker 5: possibility of exposing gun manufacturers to civil liability. Are there
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  Speaker 5: any lessons learned from New York, and in particular, the
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  Speaker 5: legal challenge where you successfully defended this that other blue.
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  Speaker 6: States can use as they think.
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  Speaker 3: About how to do this right now?
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  Speaker 12: So I'm working with other Democratic Attorney Generals across the
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  Speaker 12: state and across the country, which is why it's so
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  Speaker 12: critically important for all of you out there to understand
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  Speaker 12: the role of Democratic Attorney Generals, particularly under the former
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  Speaker 12: administration where we stood up for democracy at a time
• 56:45
  Speaker 12: when the United States Congress was paralyzed. It was Democratic
• 56:49
  Speaker 12: Attorney Generals who won over and over and over again.
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  Speaker 12: 85% of our cases against Donald Trump, we were successful.
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  Speaker 8: 85%.
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  Speaker 12: And we need to make sure that we elect Democratic AG,
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  Speaker 12: so I need all of you to support AG Nessel
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  Speaker 12: in Michigan.
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  Speaker 8: A.G.
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  Speaker 12: Ford in Nevada, A.G. Cowell in Wisconsin, and oh, Keith
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  Speaker 12: Ellison in Minnesota.
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  Speaker 3: So what we learned. We learned that certain.
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  Speaker 12: Weapons and certain manufacturers, we learned a lot about their
• 57:38
  Speaker 12: marketing tactics, We also learned that it's tied to the
• 57:43
  Speaker 12: marketing to children and to young people and to inner cities.
• 57:46
  Speaker 12: And so we're looking at their practices, not only in
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  Speaker 12: New York, but all across this nation. And again, as
• 57:51
  Speaker 12: I mentioned earlier, just stay tuned. We have this statue,
• 57:54
  Speaker 12: we defended it, we were successful, and now we need
• 57:58
  Speaker 12: to make sure that we put it into use and
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  Speaker 12: hold individuals, these gun manufacturers and these gun distributors, responsible
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  Speaker 12: and accountable for all the carnage that they are causing
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  Speaker 12: all across this nation.
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  Speaker 6: So boom, lawyered on guns.
• 58:19
  Speaker 3: Let's switch to abortion.
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  Speaker 10: Yeah.
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  Speaker 5: So we've all looked at the leaked draft Dobbs opinion.
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  Speaker 6: Whatever happens, it's kind of going to be a shit show.
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  Speaker 6: It's going to be a shit show.
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  Speaker 9: Right.
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  Speaker 3: That's the legal term for it.
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  Speaker 6: Yeah, that's a legal term.
• 58:36
  Speaker 3: What's New York going to do?
• 58:38
  Speaker 5: And what are other blue states going to do to
• 58:41
  Speaker 5: shore up reproductive rights for women and pregnant persons in
• 58:46
  Speaker 5: this state, but also in the country?
• 58:48
  Speaker 12: Can I just say that the attack on trans rights,
• 58:52
  Speaker 12: the attack on reproductive care, the attack on immigrants, the
• 58:56
  Speaker 12: attack on voting rights, and all of this, and the
• 58:59
  Speaker 12: defense of the gun industry, they're all tied together. They're
• 59:04
  Speaker 12: all tied together. You can't separate them out. And it's
• 59:07
  Speaker 12: important that individuals understand that. And so what we are
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  Speaker 12: doing here in the state of New York is one,
• 59:15
  Speaker 12: we've passed a law.
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  Speaker 6: It is enshrined in the law in the state of
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  Speaker 6: New York.
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  Speaker 12: We hope that the state legislature enshrines it in our Constitution.
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  Speaker 12: Today is their last day. I know that they are
• 59:26
  Speaker 12: going into the middle of the night. I hope that
• 59:27
  Speaker 12: they pass that law and enshrine it in our Constitution.
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  Speaker 12: We're establishing a reproductive fund so that individuals who are
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  Speaker 12: underinsured or lack insurance can come to New York and
• 59:40
  Speaker 12: seek abortions. We will provide for their transportation, their childcare.
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  Speaker 10: Yeah.
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  Speaker 12: And we're standing up to those fake abortion clinics that
• 59:56
  Speaker 12: harass individuals.
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  Speaker 3: The crisis pregnancy centers. Exactly.
• 1:00:02
  Speaker 12: Those centers that harass individuals who basically come and who
• 1:00:06
  Speaker 12: are seeking an abortion. Listen, everyone knows my story. I
• 1:00:10
  Speaker 12: had an abortion as a city council member. And I
• 1:00:14
  Speaker 12: don't make apologies to anyone. It was my decision. And
• 1:00:17
  Speaker 12: it was my decision between me and my God and
• 1:00:19
  Speaker 12: no one else.
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  Speaker 8: Yes.
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  Speaker 12: And people need to tell their stories. They need to
• 1:00:28
  Speaker 12: tell their truths. They need to talk about how difficult
• 1:00:33
  Speaker 12: it was, a difficult decision it was, how young girls
• 1:00:36
  Speaker 12: used to come into my office in Fort Greene, young
• 1:00:38
  Speaker 12: girls who obviously needed not only reproductive care, who basically
• 1:00:41
  Speaker 12: needed healthcare. And so it's really critically important that we
• 1:00:45
  Speaker 12: stand up for reproductive rights, that we not be treated
• 1:00:47
  Speaker 12: like second-class citizens, that we have destiny over our lives,
• 1:00:51
  Speaker 12: that we not be held hostage to these individuals, primarily men,
• 1:00:55
  Speaker 12: no excuse, who want to take control over our lives.
• 1:00:58
  Speaker 12: It's unacceptable and we've got to stand up and fight back.
• 1:01:01
  Speaker 12: And so what we've got to do, it's about autonomy.
• 1:01:07
  Speaker 12: It's really about autonomy. And so I urge everyone, we've
• 1:01:11
  Speaker 12: got to organize people to vote like never before. Not
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  Speaker 12: only in New York, but all across this nation. and
• 1:01:18
  Speaker 12: let people know that all of these issues are all
• 1:01:21
  Speaker 12: inextricably tied to one another, and I refuse, and all
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  Speaker 12: of you out there, we are fucking tired of individuals
• 1:01:28
  Speaker 12: holding us back.
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  Speaker 2: Can I.
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  Speaker 7: Say that?
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  Speaker 3: You're the general.
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  Speaker 1: I can say that.
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  Speaker 3: You're the general.
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  Speaker 6: And that we've got to vote.
• 1:01:41
  Speaker 3: I'm sorry for saying that. I dropped the F-bomb. You're
• 1:01:44
  Speaker 3: Tish from Brooklyn. You can say whatever you want here.
• 1:01:46
  Speaker 8: I can say that.
• 1:01:47
  Speaker 1: Say whatever you want.
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  Speaker 8: So in December, you subpoenaed Donald Trump's company for written documents, notes,
• 1:01:55
  Speaker 8: calendar entries, and cell phone data.
• 1:01:58
  Speaker 1: He did not comply.
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  Speaker 8: So your office began fining him $ 10, 000 a day.
• 1:02:01
  Speaker 12: We have $ 110, 000 in escrow.
• 1:02:06
  Speaker 6: Nice.
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  Speaker 8: Are we in a money market? How much interest are
• 1:02:10
  Speaker 8: we getting on this thing? Is it in a money market?
• 1:02:13
  Speaker 8: What are we getting on this?
• 1:02:14
  Speaker 6: It's in escrow.
• 1:02:15
  Speaker 1: All right.
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  Speaker 12: And I would hope when we're successful, I can take
• 1:02:18
  Speaker 12: those funds and distribute it to a homeless shelter or
• 1:02:22
  Speaker 12: domestic violence organization.
• 1:02:25
  Speaker 1: I'm just saying, maybe we take it, we buy the dip.
• 1:02:30
  Speaker 8: Has it changed the way Trump and his lawyers have
• 1:02:33
  Speaker 8: cooperated with your investigation?
• 1:02:35
  Speaker 6: Well, he's still not cooperating.
• 1:02:36
  Speaker 12: He's appealing, and I'm going to allow him to exhaust
• 1:02:40
  Speaker 12: his appeal. At the end of the day, I'm confident
• 1:02:43
  Speaker 12: that we will be successful. The reality is that he
• 1:02:47
  Speaker 12: was fraudulent in.
• 1:02:50
  Speaker 6: Valuating his assets.
• 1:02:52
  Speaker 12: We all know that he used funny numbers and his
• 1:02:55
  Speaker 12: financial documents. He often used different financial documents. And he
• 1:03:01
  Speaker 12: got caught. And so the evidence is clear. And this
• 1:03:04
  Speaker 12: has nothing to do with politics. It has to do
• 1:03:06
  Speaker 12: with the law. And the reality is that this organization
• 1:03:09
  Speaker 12: should be held accountable. And some people describe it as
• 1:03:12
  Speaker 12: a corporate death penalty. I don't want to go that far.
• 1:03:15
  Speaker 12: All I want to do is make sure that he
• 1:03:17
  Speaker 12: understands that he cannot use different assets for different organizations,
• 1:03:24
  Speaker 12: for the tax department, to obtain a mortgage for insurance
• 1:03:28
  Speaker 12: purposes and other purposes.
• 1:03:30
  Speaker 3: And he needs to be held accountable, him and his corporation.
• 1:03:38
  Speaker 5: You were not the first person to investigate Donald Trump,
• 1:03:41
  Speaker 5: although you've probably been the most successful person in investigating him.
• 1:03:46
  Speaker 5: What did you learn from those previous unsuccessful investigations, and
• 1:03:51
  Speaker 5: how did their work help you strategize and draft a
• 1:03:55
  Speaker 5: strategy for pursuing him in this investigation?
• 1:03:58
  Speaker 12: Well, as you know, there was a criminal investigation that's
• 1:04:01
  Speaker 12: ongoing by the Manhattan District Attorney, Alvin Bragg. There were
• 1:04:05
  Speaker 12: other investigations that were ongoing. But the reality is that
• 1:04:08
  Speaker 12: we just issued subpoenas. We just dug into the facts,
• 1:04:13
  Speaker 12: into the evidence.
• 1:04:14
  Speaker 6: It was comprehensive. It was thorough.
• 1:04:17
  Speaker 12: And we've got a great group of attorneys in the
• 1:04:20
  Speaker 12: Office of the Attorney General.
• 1:04:21
  Speaker 6: And we just got to the facts.
• 1:04:23
  Speaker 12: And at the end of the day, I am confident,
• 1:04:25
  Speaker 12: 100% confident, that we will be successful in our civil action.
• 1:04:33
  Speaker 3: Do you and.
• 1:04:34
  Speaker 5: Fannie Willis ever get together and have like black girl
• 1:04:37
  Speaker 5: magic discussions about how you're going to nail him to
• 1:04:40
  Speaker 5: the wall?
• 1:04:40
  Speaker 3: I don't know. I know who she is, but I've
• 1:04:42
  Speaker 3: never met her.
• 1:04:43
  Speaker 1: Okay.
• 1:04:43
  Speaker 3: We got to work on that.
• 1:04:46
  Speaker 1: All right.
• 1:04:46
  Speaker 8: This is going to be a tough one. Are you
• 1:04:48
  Speaker 8: excited about Bill de Blasio running for Congress? And do
• 1:04:52
  Speaker 8: you have a de Blasio bumper sticker on your car?
• 1:04:57
  Speaker 6: There's a number of candidates in the 10th congressional district.
• 1:05:01
  Speaker 2: Next.
• 1:05:03
  Speaker 1: Next question. Good answer. Next question.
• 1:05:07
  Speaker 8: If the Nadler-Maloney race turns into a violent conflict, if
• 1:05:11
  Speaker 8: the war goes hot, as many fear it might, are
• 1:05:14
  Speaker 8: you prepared to intervene? Will you send peacekeeping troops to Zabars?
• 1:05:21
  Speaker 1: Will you protect? Look, the Upper West and the Upper East,
• 1:05:27
  Speaker 1: it could come to blows.
• 1:05:30
  Speaker 5: Like the famous H & H versus S & S,
• 1:05:32
  Speaker 5: that's a big one.
• 1:05:33
  Speaker 1: That could happen.
• 1:05:34
  Speaker 3: Yeah, it could happen.
• 1:05:35
  Speaker 1: History could repeat itself. If we don't learn from history,
• 1:05:37
  Speaker 1: we're doomed to repeat it. Let me be the adult
• 1:05:39
  Speaker 1: in the room. What did Melissa do?
• 1:05:47
  Speaker 12: I know both candidates, I respect both candidates, and it's
• 1:05:50
  Speaker 12: up to the voters. But I will say that the
• 1:05:52
  Speaker 12: WFP party, from which I began my start, endorsed Jerry Nadler.
• 1:05:59
  Speaker 3: Just a few days ago.
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  Speaker 1: Last question.
• 1:06:02
  Speaker 6: Yeah.
• 1:06:07
  Speaker 1: What do I have to do to put you in
• 1:06:08
  Speaker 1: a governor's race? Look, you wrap up these cases, you know,
• 1:06:17
  Speaker 1: we frog-march Donald Trump down to wherever. You're ready to...
• 1:06:21
  Speaker 1: What do you think?
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  Speaker 12: I'm running for re-election as the Attorney General of the
• 1:06:25
  Speaker 12: great state of New York.
• 1:06:26
  Speaker 1: Okay.
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  Speaker 2: Okay.
• 1:06:30
  Speaker 8: Well, Attorney General Tish from Brooklyn, before we let you go, look,
• 1:06:39
  Speaker 8: we have two of our great legal minds on this stage.
• 1:06:42
  Speaker 8: That doesn't happen to John and Tommy and I very often.
• 1:06:46
  Speaker 1: So we would be remiss.
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  Speaker 10: What?
• 1:06:53
  Speaker 1: Laughing too hard at me. Laugh with me, you fucks.
• 1:06:58
  Speaker 1: All right, sorry, I cursed too.
• 1:07:01
  Speaker 8: But we wanted, you agreed to put us to the
• 1:07:05
  Speaker 8: test to see if we could understand the law as
• 1:07:08
  Speaker 8: well as you do.
• 1:07:09
  Speaker 1: So John and Tommy, come back out. They're going to
• 1:07:12
  Speaker 1: come back out. I'll stand up.
• 1:07:16
  Speaker 2: Good, how are you?
• 1:07:17
  Speaker 1: Great to see you. Thank you for having me.
• 1:07:18
  Speaker 3: Great to see you as well.
• 1:07:21
  Speaker 1: Did you know it's illegal to blow up a balloon
• 1:07:24
  Speaker 1: on a public street in New York? It's not. That's
• 1:07:27
  Speaker 1: made up.
• 1:07:29
  Speaker 8: But the real indictment of our society is that it
• 1:07:31
  Speaker 8: could have been true. There are obscure, arcane, bizarro laws
• 1:07:40
  Speaker 8: floating around the New York Penal Code. Attorney General James
• 1:07:42
  Speaker 8: and Melissa here are going to put our legal knowledge
• 1:07:44
  Speaker 8: to the test in a game we're calling.
• 1:07:48
  Speaker 1: Law and Order New York Trivia. I don't know.
• 1:07:53
  Speaker 8: We have not seen these. I have not seen these.
• 1:07:56
  Speaker 8: Melissa and Tish from Brooklyn, please take it away.
• 1:08:00
  Speaker 3: Tommy, this one's for you.
• 1:08:03
  Speaker 12: It's illegal to walk around New York on Sunday with
• 1:08:06
  Speaker 12: an ice cream cone in your pocket.
• 1:08:08
  Speaker 3: True or false?
• 1:08:15
  Speaker 1: I feel like I'm being tricked.
• 1:08:18
  Speaker 2: False.
• 1:08:20
  Speaker 3: True.
• 1:08:21
  Speaker 1: Ice cream cone in your pocket?
• 1:08:22
  Speaker 3: In your pocket.
• 1:08:23
  Speaker 12: What?
• 1:08:24
  Speaker 1: It happened once, things went to hell.
• 1:08:29
  Speaker 3: There goes Lovett's next Sunday. Okay.
• 1:08:33
  Speaker 1: Is that an ice cream cone in my pocket or
• 1:08:34
  Speaker 1: I'm just happy to be in New York?
• 1:08:35
  Speaker 3: There it is.
• 1:08:37
  Speaker 8: There it is.
• 1:08:37
  Speaker 1: Don't clap for that.
• 1:08:38
  Speaker 2: What a softball. What is this?
• 1:08:42
  Speaker 3: Too easy. So, John, you're up next.
• 1:08:44
  Speaker 2: Sure.
• 1:08:45
  Speaker 5: True or false, it is illegal to own a ferret
• 1:08:49
  Speaker 5: in New York City.
• 1:08:51
  Speaker 2: True.
• 1:08:52
  Speaker 3: That is correct.
• 1:08:53
  Speaker 10: True.
• 1:08:54
  Speaker 3: This is a Jennifer Aniston movie.
• 1:08:56
  Speaker 4: Is it?
• 1:08:56
  Speaker 2: I think it was. Maybe I've seen it. Maybe I
• 1:08:59
  Speaker 2: don't want to admit it.
• 1:09:00
  Speaker 12: John, a follow-up in the same vein. It's legal to
• 1:09:04
  Speaker 12: own a horse in New York City.
• 1:09:07
  Speaker 1: True or false?
• 1:09:10
  Speaker 2: True.
• 1:09:12
  Speaker 3: Yeah, you're good.
• 1:09:13
  Speaker 2: There you go. I know my New York law.
• 1:09:15
  Speaker 1: Your New York animal law.
• 1:09:18
  Speaker 2: Very big on the animal law.
• 1:09:19
  Speaker 3: Okay, Lovett, this one is for you.
• 1:09:21
  Speaker 5: True or false, it is legal to release 20 helium
• 1:09:26
  Speaker 5: balloons in New York City.
• 1:09:28
  Speaker 10: 20?
• 1:09:29
  Speaker 1: I'm going to say false. It's an up situation. Wrong.
• 1:09:33
  Speaker 3: Oh, okay.
• 1:09:34
  Speaker 5: It is true, but 25 balloons would be illegal.
• 1:09:38
  Speaker 1: Oh, so close.
• 1:09:40
  Speaker 2: Oh, the extra five is a problem.
• 1:09:43
  Speaker 3: Okay, Tommy, this one's a little trickier.
• 1:09:51
  Speaker 6: It's illegal.
• 1:09:54
  Speaker 3: To hock a loogie?
• 1:09:55
  Speaker 2: A loogie.
• 1:09:56
  Speaker 7: A loogie?
• 1:09:57
  Speaker 5: Yeah.
• 1:09:58
  Speaker 1: All right, I'm falling, yeah.
• 1:09:59
  Speaker 3: In New York City? What the hell? If you have
• 1:10:03
  Speaker 3: a 10-year-old boy, you know what this is.
• 1:10:06
  Speaker 1: It's like a... It's spitting when you gave it your all.
• 1:10:09
  Speaker 12: You know?
• 1:10:11
  Speaker 1: It's more of a Boston thing, honestly.
• 1:10:13
  Speaker 2: I was going to say, it's a very Boston thing.
• 1:10:16
  Speaker 1: How dare you. Wait, the question was, it's illegal to
• 1:10:19
  Speaker 1: hawk a loogie? Yes.
• 1:10:21
  Speaker 10: True.
• 1:10:21
  Speaker 1: Got it.
• 1:10:23
  Speaker 9: Nice.
• 1:10:24
  Speaker 1: No loogie hawking in New York. You can't do that.
• 1:10:27
  Speaker 1: That seems like Yeah. That's a good rule.
• 1:10:29
  Speaker 2: It's manners, but, you know.
• 1:10:31
  Speaker 6: Okay. A weird one for John. It's illegal to hunt moths.
• 1:10:39
  Speaker 12: Under a streetlight in New York City.
• 1:10:42
  Speaker 10: What?
• 1:10:43
  Speaker 3: It's a serious question, guys.
• 1:10:45
  Speaker 1: Serious question. True or false? Don't sweat.
• 1:10:50
  Speaker 3: Don't sweat.
• 1:10:51
  Speaker 2: True.
• 1:10:55
  Speaker 3: It is true in Los Angeles, though.
• 1:10:57
  Speaker 1: It is?
• 1:10:57
  Speaker 4: Yeah. What?
• 1:10:59
  Speaker 2: So much for my animal eyes for two weeks. Went
• 1:11:01
  Speaker 2: right out the window.
• 1:11:02
  Speaker 3: Can't take the California Barno.
• 1:11:04
  Speaker 2: You're done. All right.
• 1:11:07
  Speaker 3: Speaking of weird and esoteric, love it.
• 1:11:09
  Speaker 1: Yes.
• 1:11:10
  Speaker 8: Wow. Okay.
• 1:11:10
  Speaker 9: Fine.
• 1:11:11
  Speaker 4: Homophobia.
• 1:11:24
  Speaker 6: Hardly.
• 1:11:26
  Speaker 3: This feels up your alley.
• 1:11:28
  Speaker 5: It is illegal to take a selfie with a tiger
• 1:11:31
  Speaker 5: in the state of New York.
• 1:11:32
  Speaker 3: True or false? You are the Tiger King.
• 1:11:35
  Speaker 2: These are so hard.
• 1:11:36
  Speaker 1: I'm going to say it's true. I think you shouldn't
• 1:11:37
  Speaker 1: be allowed to do that.
• 1:11:38
  Speaker 6: That's correct.
• 1:11:39
  Speaker 2: Yeah, that's very dangerous.
• 1:11:41
  Speaker 1: Good job, love. Yeah, you shouldn't do that.
• 1:11:43
  Speaker 3: Okay, a modern one for John.
• 1:11:45
  Speaker 12: It's illegal to dance at any New York City bar
• 1:11:49
  Speaker 12: or restaurant without a cabaret license.
• 1:11:53
  Speaker 6: They all know the answer.
• 1:11:55
  Speaker 2: Who's that for?
• 1:11:56
  Speaker 1: Who's for you?
• 1:11:57
  Speaker 2: For me? False.
• 1:11:59
  Speaker 1: What? It's false.
• 1:12:03
  Speaker 4: Oh.
• 1:12:03
  Speaker 6: But that law was on the books until 2017.
• 1:12:05
  Speaker 1: Wow.
• 1:12:06
  Speaker 3: It was like footloose.
• 1:12:09
  Speaker 2: I pushed to get it repealed.
• 1:12:10
  Speaker 1: Yeah, he was on the committee.
• 1:12:12
  Speaker 2: I wanted to dance.
• 1:12:12
  Speaker 1: We marched for that.
• 1:12:13
  Speaker 4: Yeah.
• 1:12:13
  Speaker 2: I didn't want to get my license.
• 1:12:15
  Speaker 1: Footloose over here. It was on the other side. We
• 1:12:18
  Speaker 1: took Kevin Bacon over here. Took on the powers that be.
• 1:12:24
  Speaker 6: Tommy, this one is for you, and it's perhaps the
• 1:12:26
  Speaker 6: weirdest one yet.
• 1:12:29
  Speaker 1: I'm losing, too.
• 1:12:30
  Speaker 6: True or false, it is legal to sell dog hair
• 1:12:34
  Speaker 6: in New York.
• 1:12:37
  Speaker 1: True?
• 1:12:37
  Speaker 3: False.
• 1:12:41
  Speaker 5: It is illegal to sell the fur, hair, flesh, or
• 1:12:45
  Speaker 5: skin of a dog or a cat.
• 1:12:48
  Speaker 1: Well, that's a good rule. Let's make this the last one.
• 1:12:51
  Speaker 1: That makes me emotional.
• 1:12:52
  Speaker 10: Okay.
• 1:12:55
  Speaker 3: You could be lawyers. This is good.
• 1:12:57
  Speaker 1: That's upsetting.
• 1:12:58
  Speaker 2: We're putting it away.
• 1:13:01
  Speaker 1: That's all we have. And that's the game. The winner
• 1:13:05
  Speaker 1: is Attorney General Tish James. Thank you so much for
• 1:13:09
  Speaker 1: being here.
• 1:13:10
  Speaker 2: Thank you so much.
• 1:13:10
  Speaker 8: One more time for New York's Attorney General, Tish from Brooklyn.
• 1:13:15
  Speaker 1: Thank you so much.
• 1:13:21
  Speaker 8: New York, if you can make it here, You can
• 1:13:24
  Speaker 8: make it anywhere, as long as you're not too Jew-y
• 1:13:27
  Speaker 8: for the squares between Pasadena and Piscataway.
• 1:13:33
  Speaker 1: You see where they are?
• 1:13:35
  Speaker 8: But that's what makes the experience of making it here
• 1:13:37
  Speaker 8: in New York so exciting, and why so many who
• 1:13:39
  Speaker 8: have made it, then been unmade by it, try so
• 1:13:42
  Speaker 8: hard to make it again.
• 1:13:43
  Speaker 1: That's right, we're.
• 1:13:44
  Speaker 8: Talking about all these fallen New York politicians clawing their
• 1:13:47
  Speaker 8: way out of their political graves covered in dirt against
• 1:13:50
  Speaker 8: all reason, staggering back into the spotlight for a vote.
• 1:13:53
  Speaker 1: A Today Show hit, a shred of attention.
• 1:13:56
  Speaker 8: Who here in the audience thinks they know all about
• 1:13:59
  Speaker 8: New York's famously unstoppable freaks? Because it's time for a
• 1:14:03
  Speaker 8: game we call, hey, I'm coming back from the dead
• 1:14:06
  Speaker 8: over here. Here's how it works. We're going to go
• 1:14:10
  Speaker 8: around the horn. Raise your hand if you'd like John, Tommy,
• 1:14:12
  Speaker 8: or Melissa to put you to a test. Fair warning,
• 1:14:14
  Speaker 8: some of these are hard questions. Ari's out in the crowd.
• 1:14:18
  Speaker 8: Raise your hand if you want to answer a question.
• 1:14:22
  Speaker 1: Come on over. Hi, what's your name? Rachel.
• 1:14:27
  Speaker 2: Rachel.
• 1:14:27
  Speaker 1: John, kick us off. All right.
• 1:14:29
  Speaker 4: In April, Rachel, Rudy Giuliani made his masked singer debut,
• 1:14:35
  Speaker 4: dressed as a Jack in the Box clown, singing what song?
• 1:14:40
  Speaker 3: I Refuse to Watch Fox.
• 1:14:42
  Speaker 1: That's incorrect.
• 1:14:43
  Speaker 2: That is incorrect, Rachel.
• 1:14:43
  Speaker 1: And we don't want your life story.
• 1:14:45
  Speaker 4: Wrong.
• 1:14:45
  Speaker 2: That is incorrect. You could have found this information on Twitter.
• 1:14:49
  Speaker 2: It was bad to the bone. Melissa, you're up.
• 1:14:52
  Speaker 1: You get one more question. See if you can redeem yourself. Ready?
• 1:14:56
  Speaker 3: Okay.
• 1:14:58
  Speaker 5: In the twilight of his final term as mayor, Bill
• 1:15:01
  Speaker 5: de Blasio used which food item to explain the concept
• 1:15:05
  Speaker 5: of ranked choice voting to New Yorkers?
• 1:15:09
  Speaker 3: Pizza toppings.
• 1:15:10
  Speaker 1: Correct.
• 1:15:11
  Speaker 2: Nice job.
• 1:15:12
  Speaker 8: For a bonus point, which pizza topping did de Blasio
• 1:15:16
  Speaker 8: rank first?
• 1:15:17
  Speaker 10: Olives.
• 1:15:18
  Speaker 1: No, it was green peppers.
• 1:15:19
  Speaker 3: I thought it was green olives.
• 1:15:20
  Speaker 1: I know. It's like, come on.
• 1:15:22
  Speaker 8: The guy loves being hated. All right, Ari, find somebody else.
• 1:15:26
  Speaker 8: Go to somebody else.
• 1:15:26
  Speaker 1: Go to somebody else.
• 1:15:27
  Speaker 3: Do our winners win anything?
• 1:15:28
  Speaker 4: Oh, yeah.
• 1:15:29
  Speaker 1: You won a Tommy John gift card. Thank you, Ari.
• 1:15:33
  Speaker 6: Always.
• 1:15:34
  Speaker 1: Find somebody.
• 1:15:40
  Speaker 2: Swerve.
• 1:15:41
  Speaker 1: Hi, what's your name?
• 1:15:42
  Speaker 3: Eliza.
• 1:15:43
  Speaker 1: Tommy, kick us off.
• 1:15:44
  Speaker 9: All right.
• 1:15:45
  Speaker 7: Emerging from exile after resigning as governor last fall, Andrew
• 1:15:49
  Speaker 7: Cuomo spoke at God's Battalion Church in Brooklyn where he
• 1:15:52
  Speaker 7: blamed what for his downfall?
• 1:15:57
  Speaker 1: You need an answer. Wokeness. Judges, judges, we're giving it
• 1:16:01
  Speaker 1: to you. It was cancel culture. Okay!
• 1:16:04
  Speaker 2: Right, so close.
• 1:16:06
  Speaker 1: The correct answer was his own behavior, but cancel culture
• 1:16:09
  Speaker 1: was also correct. Yes, cancel culture is what we were
• 1:16:10
  Speaker 1: looking for. John, you're next.
• 1:16:13
  Speaker 2: Were you in a follow-up?
• 1:16:14
  Speaker 1: You're getting a follow-up. Okay.
• 1:16:16
  Speaker 4: Which former New York leader with a bright future screamed,
• 1:16:21
  Speaker 4: you are a jackass and you are a brainwashed asshole
• 1:16:25
  Speaker 4: at a stranger during a parade just last month?
• 1:16:35
  Speaker 1: You didn't say it loud enough. You didn't say anything.
• 1:16:40
  Speaker 3: I'm stumped. It can't be Giuliani. But it can.
• 1:16:44
  Speaker 1: But you know what?
• 1:16:46
  Speaker 2: Give her the X.
• 1:16:47
  Speaker 1: Because you didn't say it with confidence. You said it
• 1:16:50
  Speaker 1: can't be Giuliani. You should have gone with your gut. Ari,
• 1:16:53
  Speaker 1: take the mic. Find somebody else. Find somebody else. Tommy
• 1:16:58
  Speaker 1: John gift card for you. Ari's going to work out. Hi,
• 1:17:03
  Speaker 1: what's your name?
• 1:17:04
  Speaker 8: My name is, oh, sorry, Tracy, and I'm wearing Tommy
• 1:17:07
  Speaker 8: John underwear right now.
• 1:17:08
  Speaker 1: Whoa.
• 1:17:12
  Speaker 2: You could be getting yourself another pair in a few seconds.
• 1:17:15
  Speaker 1: Melissa, kick us off.
• 1:17:18
  Speaker 5: What did Andrew Cuomo famously leave behind upon his departure
• 1:17:22
  Speaker 5: from the governor's mansion?
• 1:17:24
  Speaker 1: Oh, um.
• 1:17:26
  Speaker 3: Dignity is the answer.
• 1:17:30
  Speaker 1: Yeah, any sense of honesty or dignity. I think it
• 1:17:33
  Speaker 1: was some kind of board game. Is that, no? Am
• 1:17:36
  Speaker 1: I off base? I'm sorry. It was his dignity, but
• 1:17:38
  Speaker 1: also his dog captain. Remember that? Remember that? Maybe he
• 1:17:43
  Speaker 1: got it eventually. We don't know. Am I disqualified, or
• 1:17:47
  Speaker 1: do I get a follow-up? We'll give you one more. Okay,
• 1:17:50
  Speaker 1: thank you. Tommy, you're up. Okay.
• 1:17:53
  Speaker 7: Which New York politician recently published an essay in The
• 1:17:56
  Speaker 7: Atlantic with the subhead, When it comes to being unpopular,
• 1:18:00
  Speaker 7: I'm unfortunately somewhat of an expert.
• 1:18:04
  Speaker 1: Was this de Blasio? Yeah, you got it. You got it.
• 1:18:06
  Speaker 1: Great job. You also get a gift card. Thank you.
• 1:18:08
  Speaker 2: Thank you so much.
• 1:18:11
  Speaker 1: Who's up next? Ari's moving.
• 1:18:16
  Speaker 2: Ari's moving.
• 1:18:17
  Speaker 1: Give it up for Ari, everybody. Hi, what's your name?
• 1:18:28
  Speaker 8: Hi, I'm Erin.
• 1:18:29
  Speaker 1: Hi, Erin.
• 1:18:30
  Speaker 2: Who's up?
• 1:18:31
  Speaker 1: Oh, John, you're up.
• 1:18:31
  Speaker 6: I'm up.
• 1:18:33
  Speaker 12: Hi, Erin.
• 1:18:34
  Speaker 1: Hi.
• 1:18:34
  Speaker 4: In a now-deleted tweet, Rudy Giuliani, I always get the
• 1:18:38
  Speaker 4: Giuliani questions, Rudy Giuliani posted a video of himself swinging
• 1:18:42
  Speaker 4: back and forth on a golf course in enormous cocky
• 1:18:45
  Speaker 4: shorts in order to promote what?
• 1:18:49
  Speaker 2: Not the Masked Singer.
• 1:18:51
  Speaker 1: Wasn't the Masked Singer. Wasn't the Masked Singer.
• 1:18:54
  Speaker 8: Anybody here know? No, that wasn't Viagra, but good call.
• 1:18:58
  Speaker 8: I like where your head's at. It was his cameo.
• 1:19:01
  Speaker 2: I heard it right.
• 1:19:01
  Speaker 1: I heard you. We heard a cameo.
• 1:19:03
  Speaker 2: We heard a cameo.
• 1:19:03
  Speaker 8: I heard a Viagra and a cameo. Two great tastes
• 1:19:06
  Speaker 8: that go great together. Uh, Doesn't mean anything.
• 1:19:09
  Speaker 3: I'm just glad I'm not the only one that didn't know.
• 1:19:10
  Speaker 1: Erin, let's roll the clip.
• 1:19:14
  Speaker 2: I'm Rudy Giuliani. If you want to have a really
• 1:19:17
  Speaker 2: nice conversation or a birthday greeting or.
• 1:19:21
  Speaker 6: Just talk golf, go to the link below.
• 1:19:28
  Speaker 1: Wow. I have never seen that before. It's incredible. It's incredible.
• 1:19:34
  Speaker 8: For those listening at home, Google it and watch it.
• 1:19:37
  Speaker 8: You have to see it with your eyes. It's an
• 1:19:39
  Speaker 8: extraordinary film. It's a deep text.
• 1:19:41
  Speaker 1: Its inseam is infinity. Wow. Here's the thing.
• 1:19:47
  Speaker 8: Rudy Giuliani dares to ask the fashion question, are these
• 1:19:51
  Speaker 8: long shorts or short pants?
• 1:19:53
  Speaker 1: Yeah. Erin, you won a gift card. Let's go to
• 1:19:59
  Speaker 1: somebody else. Yeah. All right. Hi, what's your name? Hi, Diane. Diane,
• 1:20:10
  Speaker 1: who's up next? Melissa, you're up.
• 1:20:11
  Speaker 5: So, Diane, we're going to go back into the vault
• 1:20:13
  Speaker 5: for this one, okay? After resigning in 2008, Eliot Spitzer
• 1:20:19
  Speaker 5: ran again in 2013 for what city position?
• 1:20:25
  Speaker 3: I know, we forgot about him.
• 1:20:27
  Speaker 1: Hint, it's really boring sounding.
• 1:20:32
  Speaker 3: Department of, oh, comptroller.
• 1:20:35
  Speaker 1: You got it, you got it. Phone a friend.
• 1:20:37
  Speaker 2: Good thing you added sounding to that.
• 1:20:38
  Speaker 1: Phone a friend. Sounding, sounding, don't yell at me.
• 1:20:41
  Speaker 8: Can I ask a question to this audience? Do people
• 1:20:44
  Speaker 8: pronounce it comptroller or are we supposed to say controller?
• 1:20:47
  Speaker 3: Comptroller.
• 1:20:48
  Speaker 1: You're supposed to say comp? That was clear.
• 1:20:49
  Speaker 3: Comptroller.
• 1:20:51
  Speaker 1: Are you sure?
• 1:20:51
  Speaker 10: Yes.
• 1:20:52
  Speaker 1: Are you sure, though? No. All right, chill out. Follow up.
• 1:21:00
  Speaker 8: Speaking of, which sleazy Republican operative who looks like the
• 1:21:02
  Speaker 8: Joker when he wears flesh-colored makeup, if the Joker's origin
• 1:21:05
  Speaker 8: story was that the vat of chemicals was Adderall, sent
• 1:21:08
  Speaker 8: a letter to the FBI alleging that Spitzer saw prostitutes
• 1:21:13
  Speaker 8: and had sex with calf-length socks on, an allegation that
• 1:21:16
  Speaker 8: has actually.
• 1:21:16
  Speaker 1: Never been true, though largely believed since.
• 1:21:21
  Speaker 3: Boy, heavy on the Spitzer questions for me.
• 1:21:31
  Speaker 1: It was Roger Stone. You took too long. But you
• 1:21:33
  Speaker 1: still get a gift card. Rampant cheating in the audience,
• 1:21:36
  Speaker 1: by the way. Let's find somebody else.
• 1:21:45
  Speaker 6: Wow.
• 1:21:48
  Speaker 2: Who's yelling? That's amazing.
• 1:21:49
  Speaker 1: Well, Ari, don't leave.
• 1:21:50
  Speaker 2: Ari's going up.
• 1:21:51
  Speaker 1: Ari's going up. Ari's gone.
• 1:21:53
  Speaker 2: Now we're going to have to vamp while Ari's going up.
• 1:21:54
  Speaker 7: I was going to say throw it like a t-shirt cannon.
• 1:21:56
  Speaker 2: I'm going up.
• 1:21:56
  Speaker 1: I'm going up.
• 1:21:56
  Speaker 6: I promise.
• 1:21:57
  Speaker 2: Wait.
• 1:21:58
  Speaker 1: Where'd you go?
• 1:22:00
  Speaker 2: Well, Ari left.
• 1:22:02
  Speaker 1: Ari is heading upstairs.
• 1:22:05
  Speaker 10: Ari.
• 1:22:05
  Speaker 2: This will edit down well.
• 1:22:06
  Speaker 1: Has anybody had the Mexican pizza?
• 1:22:08
  Speaker 4: There they are.
• 1:22:08
  Speaker 8: There they are.
• 1:22:10
  Speaker 1: Way to go, Ari.
• 1:22:12
  Speaker 7: Okay.
• 1:22:12
  Speaker 9: Yes.
• 1:22:13
  Speaker 4: Here we go.
• 1:22:14
  Speaker 2: Hi.
• 1:22:14
  Speaker 1: What's your name?
• 1:22:15
  Speaker 10: Hi.
• 1:22:16
  Speaker 2: My name is Ryan.
• 1:22:16
  Speaker 1: Hi, Ryan. Tommy, take it away.
• 1:22:18
  Speaker 7: Ryan, you're learning about how the Crooked team goes the
• 1:22:21
  Speaker 7: extra mile. After spending more than $ 1 billion on his
• 1:22:25
  Speaker 7: presidential bid in 2020, how many states did former New
• 1:22:29
  Speaker 7: York City Mayor Michael Bloomberg win in the Super Tuesday primaries?
• 1:22:35
  Speaker 2: That is a big fat zero. That's right.
• 1:22:37
  Speaker 7: Correct.
• 1:22:37
  Speaker 1: That's right.
• 1:22:38
  Speaker 7: He won a total of 55 delegates in the Democratic
• 1:22:42
  Speaker 7: contest in American Samoa, spending about $ 18 million per delegate.
• 1:22:46
  Speaker 2: It's quite a deal. All right, follow-up.
• 1:22:51
  Speaker 4: In February, Andrew Cuomo began spending $ 369, 000 to air a
• 1:22:55
  Speaker 4: TV ad.
• 1:22:58
  Speaker 2: Making what case to New Yorkers? That he's a decent
• 1:23:02
  Speaker 2: human being with morals? It was a little sharper than that.
• 1:23:08
  Speaker 4: That he had been exonerated and taken down by political attacks.
• 1:23:14
  Speaker 2: I mean, exonerated, that's close. You know what? Let's give it.
• 1:23:18
  Speaker 2: We're being generous.
• 1:23:23
  Speaker 8: Let's give him a gift card and go to somebody
• 1:23:25
  Speaker 8: else up there.
• 1:23:26
  Speaker 1: Great job. You did it. Hi, what's your name?
• 1:23:32
  Speaker 4: Mark.
• 1:23:33
  Speaker 1: What is it?
• 1:23:33
  Speaker 4: Mark.
• 1:23:34
  Speaker 1: Mark, hi. Wow. Melissa, I think you're up next.
• 1:23:39
  Speaker 3: Okay, Mark.
• 1:23:40
  Speaker 5: What percentage of Democratic voters backed Bill de Blasio for
• 1:23:44
  Speaker 5: New York's 10th congressional district in a new WPIX Emerson
• 1:23:49
  Speaker 5: College polling, the Hill Poll, that was released last week.
• 1:23:53
  Speaker 1: Is it just one?
• 1:23:54
  Speaker 3: A little more.
• 1:23:57
  Speaker 1: A little more.
• 1:23:58
  Speaker 3: Slightly more.
• 1:23:58
  Speaker 1: Close. Ten.
• 1:24:01
  Speaker 6: A little less.
• 1:24:02
  Speaker 1: It was 6%. It was 6%.
• 1:24:04
  Speaker 2: Within the margin of error. It was.
• 1:24:06
  Speaker 1: Within the margin of error.
• 1:24:08
  Speaker 3: With 77% of very likely voters undecided.
• 1:24:12
  Speaker 1: So it's still bad. Could be worse, I suppose. Follow-up
• 1:24:16
  Speaker 1: for you.
• 1:24:17
  Speaker 8: Who expressed doubts about Bill de Blasio's ill-fated presidential campaign,
• 1:24:20
  Speaker 8: calling the plan not quite right?
• 1:24:23
  Speaker 1: Everyone on Earth. Technically, well, the correct person is in there.
• 1:24:29
  Speaker 1: It was his wife. Shirlane McRae. And Tommy, let's do
• 1:24:37
  Speaker 1: the last one.
• 1:24:38
  Speaker 2: All right.
• 1:24:39
  Speaker 7: After a 2014 encounter with Bill de Blasio, blank died
• 1:24:43
  Speaker 7: from internal injuries.
• 1:24:48
  Speaker 2: The Groundhog? Yeah.
• 1:24:50
  Speaker 1: You're goddamn right.
• 1:24:52
  Speaker 8: Thank you so much. And give it up for Ari
• 1:24:53
  Speaker 8: for running around. But before we let you good people go,
• 1:25:01
  Speaker 8: there's a person we'd like to wish a very happy
• 1:25:02
  Speaker 8: birthday to. Please bring out the cake. And everybody, let's
• 1:25:08
  Speaker 8: do it.
• 1:25:08
  Speaker 1: Oh, my gosh. Happy birthday to you. Happy birthday to you.
• 1:25:15
  Speaker 1: Happy birthday. Dear John.
• 1:25:21
  Speaker 3: Happy birthday.
• 1:25:24
  Speaker 1: He's so uncomfortable.
• 1:25:25
  Speaker 2: This is so good.
• 1:25:27
  Speaker 1: Big five for the cameras.
• 1:25:29
  Speaker 2: Thank you, guys.
• 1:25:30
  Speaker 1: Happy birthday, John.
• 1:25:31
  Speaker 2: Happy birthday, John. This is my 41st birthday party right here.
• 1:25:34
  Speaker 1: He can't eat it because he's keto.
• 1:25:37
  Speaker 4: Also, thank you to Letitia James. Thank you to Melissa Murray.
• 1:25:40
  Speaker 4: Thank you to Will Westlake.
• 1:25:42
  Speaker 2: Thank you.
• 1:25:42
  Speaker 4: And a special thanks to MSG Entertainment and the Beacon Theater.
• 1:25:46
  Speaker 1: And everyone.
• 1:25:47
  Speaker 4: For my birthday present, please go to votesaveamerica.com and sign
• 1:25:51
  Speaker 4: up right now.
• 1:25:51
  Speaker 2: Thank you so much. Thank you, New York. Bye, everybody.
• 1:26:12
  Speaker 4: Pod Save America is a Crooked Media production. The executive
• 1:26:15
  Speaker 4: producer is Michael Martinez. Our senior producer is Andy Gardner Bernstein.
• 1:26:19
  Speaker 4: Our producer is Haley Muse, and Olivia Martinez is our
• 1:26:22
  Speaker 4: associate producer. It's mixed and edited by Andrew Chadwick. Kyle
• 1:26:26
  Speaker 4: Seglin and Charlotte Landis sound engineer the show. Thanks to
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  Speaker 4: Tanya Sominator, Sandy Gerard, Hallie Kiefer, Ari Schwartz, Andy Taft,
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  Speaker 4: and Justine Howe for production support. And to our digital team,
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  Speaker 4: Elijah Cohn, Phoebe Bradford, Milo Kim, and Amelia Montooth. Our
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  Speaker 4: episodes are uploaded as videos at youtube.com slash crookedmedias.