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BROKE-DIDDY? COMBS' JAIL CLOTHES GO TO AUCTION · Crime Stories with Nancy Grace

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  Speaker 1: Crime Stories with Nancy Grace. Didty auctions his jail house clothes?
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  Speaker 1: Do his lawyers cost that much? Are they worth it?
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  Speaker 2: This as Fitty weighs into the battle, promising to go
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  Speaker 2: all the way to the White House to stop a
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  Speaker 2: pardon for Ditty, I'm Nancy Grace, this is Crime Stories.
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  Speaker 2: I want to thank you for being with us.
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  Speaker 3: He is a vile, greedy abuser.
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  Speaker 2: That took part in heinous beatings and bizarre sex acts,
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  Speaker 2: decades of abuse of women and so called free coughs.
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  Speaker 1: This is a day that's been long in coming. Will
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  Speaker 1: there be justice?
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  Speaker 3: And I say Dirty Diddy going down? This is the case.
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  Speaker 1: Straight out to the courthouse.
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  Speaker 2: Standing by is investigative reporter Lauren Collins, star of Pop
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  Speaker 2: Crime TV. A lot has been happening on the witness
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  Speaker 2: stand throughout the day and Mia, not her real name,
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  Speaker 2: is a critical witness.
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  Speaker 1: Lauren Colin.
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  Speaker 2: I noticed that Brian Steele started off kind of going
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  Speaker 2: easy on mea but then he changed his approach.
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  Speaker 1: What happened?
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  Speaker 4: Mia is still on the stand finishing up her cross
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  Speaker 4: examination by Brian Steele today during a break, the government
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  Speaker 4: actually had to speak to the judge and say, look,
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  Speaker 4: the way that this witness is being treated by mister
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  Speaker 4: Steele is borderline hostile. He's being aggressive, he's yelling at her,
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  Speaker 4: he's accusing her of lying. And this type of questioning
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  Speaker 4: is going to prevent other witnesses from coming forward if
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  Speaker 4: they think they're going to be humiliated and treated like this. Now,
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  Speaker 4: the judge said, look, I have not heard mister Steele
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  Speaker 4: yell at the witness. I haven't heard him be too aggressive.
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  Speaker 4: But what I have heard is improper questions. And when
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  Speaker 4: mister Steele tries to rephrase these questions, the judge said,
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  Speaker 4: he's not sure if he's doing it on purpose, you know,
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  Speaker 4: not rephrasing properly, just to get out what he's trying
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  Speaker 4: to say. But either way, he needs to watch it
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  Speaker 4: when it comes to that. And he said, you know, look,
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  Speaker 4: the government can continue to object and you know, well,
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  Speaker 4: well we'll make the adjustments accordingly. So as Brian Steele
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  Speaker 4: moved along with his cross examination, it was a little
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  Speaker 4: bit aggressive. He did accuse Mia of lying. He would
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  Speaker 4: point blank ask her were you lying when you said this?
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  Speaker 4: Were you not truthful when you said this? And Mia
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  Speaker 4: said everything I've said in this courtroom has been truthful,
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  Speaker 4: and Ryan Steele really seemed to hone in on the
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  Speaker 4: fact that again her text messages to Sean Colmes, one
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  Speaker 4: year after she didn't work for him, two years after,
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  Speaker 4: even up to three years after not working for him,
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  Speaker 4: they still said I love you. They still said you know,
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  Speaker 4: I miss you. At one point she texted him in
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  Speaker 4: twenty nineteen that she had a dream that she was
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  Speaker 4: trapped in an elevator with r Kelly and that Diddy
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  Speaker 4: came to rescue her. We found out through Brian Stales
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  Speaker 4: cross examination that Mia had met with the government about
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  Speaker 4: twenty seven times. The first two times meeting with the government,
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  Speaker 4: she did not mention any type of sexual assault or
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  Speaker 4: alleged sexual assault, and Mia said, well, I did not
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  Speaker 4: bring this up until I had my attorney, and Steele
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  Speaker 4: points it out that she had an attorney in her
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  Speaker 4: March of twenty twenty four meeting, but again did not
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  Speaker 4: bring up the alleged sexual assault until June of twenty
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  Speaker 4: twenty four, and he was really trying to get in
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  Speaker 4: the name of her attorney, Sean Crowley and the fact
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  Speaker 4: that Sean Crowley had won this big settlement prior to
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  Speaker 4: representing Mia. However, there were many objections and he was
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  Speaker 4: not able to get that in huh.
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  Speaker 2: Huh, Okay, did she crack Lauren Colin or did she
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  Speaker 2: stay strong? And I find it really interesting they brought
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  Speaker 2: up that four hundred thousand settlement that she had with Diddy.
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  Speaker 1: Okay, what happened?
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  Speaker 4: Mia actually said, everything I've said in this courtroom has
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  Speaker 4: been the truth and not a lie.
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  Speaker 1: And Brian Steele also said.
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  Speaker 4: To her out of the blue and seemed to kind
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  Speaker 4: of raise his voice, well, isn't.
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  Speaker 1: It true that he didn't touch you.
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  Speaker 4: Or violate you as many times as you've told us?
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  Speaker 4: And she said again, everything I've said is true.
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  Speaker 1: Okay, whoa, whoa, whoa.
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  Speaker 2: Okay, so he's asking, hey, he didn't rape you as
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  Speaker 2: many times as you're saying okay, straight out to armand
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  Speaker 2: Wiggins joining us out of la entertainment and legal fear commentator,
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  Speaker 2: host of podcasts The armand Wiggins Show on the trial
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  Speaker 2: since day one?
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  Speaker 1: Did you hear what Lauren Colin just said?
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  Speaker 2: So Brian Steele, and I know him from the day
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  Speaker 2: that I was prosecuting Felon. He's an inter city Atlanta.
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  Speaker 2: He's a great defense attorney. But wait, this is his message,
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  Speaker 2: he didn't rape you as many times as you said,
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  Speaker 2: did he? So what if he raped her at all?
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  Speaker 2: Isn't one rape enough? Wiggins?
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  Speaker 5: I think it is enough. But I think what's interesting
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  Speaker 5: is I don't think that he was saying that. I
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  Speaker 5: think he was saying he didn't rape you at all.
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  Speaker 5: I think what he was trying to say in regards
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  Speaker 5: to her is the fact that he may have put
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  Speaker 5: his hands on you, he may have disrespected.
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  Speaker 6: You, but he didn't rape you at all, is what
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  Speaker 6: he was saying.
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  Speaker 1: Okay, so that's what you think he said.
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  Speaker 2: That's your interpretation, mister Wiggins, because his words were, isn't
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  Speaker 2: it true he didn't touch you or violate you as
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  Speaker 2: many times as you've told us?
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  Speaker 1: Those were his words.
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  Speaker 2: So my question to you, Armon Wiggins is why are
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  Speaker 2: you sugarcoating it?
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  Speaker 1: Airbrushing it?
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  Speaker 2: He said quote, isn't it true he didn't touch you
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  Speaker 2: or violate you as many times as you've told us?
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  Speaker 5: Now, I agree, I think that that's very I think
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  Speaker 5: that that's wrong. But I think the problem with Mia
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  Speaker 5: for me was, and here's the thing. I'm not victim
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  Speaker 5: shaming at all, but it seemed like her testimony was
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  Speaker 5: a little bit inconsistent because it seemed like she was
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  Speaker 5: more emotionally attached than traumatized, because when she had out
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  Speaker 5: to actually leave, she was upset because she had got fired.
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  Speaker 5: She had then became suicidal because she had lost her job.
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  Speaker 5: And when he asked her, he said, hey, well this
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  Speaker 5: is your time to actually lead now. Shouldn't you be happy?
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  Speaker 5: She was like, no, this wasn't a good time for
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  Speaker 5: me during that time. It wasn't a good time. So
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  Speaker 5: it was like then. She also said that she forgot
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  Speaker 5: how many times she would be abused, like when the
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  Speaker 5: times were good, she would forget about the abuse.
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  Speaker 6: How do you forget about.
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  Speaker 2: Being To follow up on what you're saying, Arman wigg
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  Speaker 2: is because I vehemently disagree with you.
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  Speaker 1: But if you're thinking that, how do I know a
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  Speaker 1: your R isn't thinking that?
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  Speaker 2: Let's clarify straight out to doctor Bethony Marshall and US
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  Speaker 2: renown psycho analys out of La, author of deal Breaker.
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  Speaker 2: You can see her on peacock or go to her
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  Speaker 2: website doctor Bethany Marshall dot com. Dr Bethany Okay Number
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  Speaker 2: one Rape victims go through.
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  Speaker 1: So much trauma right. I don't know that Mea.
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  Speaker 2: Was suicidal because she got fired or let go. In fact,
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  Speaker 2: they Shawn Combs and his hitch person Corman, tried to
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  Speaker 2: get her to drop the lawsuit. And I want to
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  Speaker 2: point out, regarding the lawsuit, that he settled with her
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  Speaker 2: for four hundred thousand dollars. So I think we need
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  Speaker 2: to reframe the question not why did you take money?
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  Speaker 2: Aren't you in it for the money? The question should be,
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  Speaker 2: Shawn Colmbs, why are you paying a half a million
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  Speaker 2: dollars to get this woman to shut up? Like you
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  Speaker 2: paid Casi event here twenty million dollars to get her
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  Speaker 2: to shut up? So why are you paying people left
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  Speaker 2: and right so they don't talk about what you did
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  Speaker 2: to them?
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  Speaker 1: That's the right question.
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  Speaker 7: And why aren't we talking about the time she did
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  Speaker 7: try to get away and he would try to call
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  Speaker 7: her or have his henchmen call her, and so she
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  Speaker 7: did attempt to get away. We can't forget about that.
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  Speaker 7: And women who are sexually abused often divide their experience
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  Speaker 7: of the abuser up into all good or all bad.
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  Speaker 7: It's a way of coping. So when the abusers kind,
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  Speaker 7: they become overly attached and when the abusers abusive, then
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  Speaker 7: they have a clear sense of what's happening. She's trauma
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  Speaker 7: bonded with him.
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  Speaker 1: Well.
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  Speaker 2: Another thing is that rape victims that I have represented
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  Speaker 2: in court very obvious, especially in abusive relationships, not stranger
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  Speaker 2: on stranger. They try to rationalize what happened, like for instance,
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  Speaker 2: marital rape, or you're dating someone and you get rape.
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  Speaker 1: You try to go, oh, well, he was drunk or
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  Speaker 1: oh well I let him on.
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  Speaker 2: They rationalize what happened because they don't want to deal
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  Speaker 2: with the fact I was just raped.
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  Speaker 1: Now.
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  Speaker 2: My concern is, although I disagree with Wiggins totally, the
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  Speaker 2: reality is if he is thinking that after watching the testimony,
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  Speaker 2: even though I think he's horribly wrong, is a juror
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  Speaker 2: thinking that. So another issue, I'm trying to figure out
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  Speaker 2: the significance of birthday posts on social.
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  Speaker 1: Media Lauren Colin, What does that have to do with anything.
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  Speaker 4: He seems to also be really focusing on these birthday
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  Speaker 4: posts that Mia did for Sean Colins year after year,
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  Speaker 4: although she described to us during direct testimony that his
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  Speaker 4: birthday was a traumatic day for her because that was
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  Speaker 4: the first time that he ever sexually assaulted her. Allegedly,
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  Speaker 4: so Brian Steel's hammering home. Well, how can you compartmentalize
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  Speaker 4: this when it was such a horrible day for you
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  Speaker 4: and year after year on social media you're wishing him
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  Speaker 4: a happy birthday.
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  Speaker 2: Guys, we are alive at the courthouse bringing you the
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  Speaker 2: very latest. I want to go out to Sidney Sumner
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  Speaker 2: right now, joining US Crime Stories investigative reporter who's also
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  Speaker 2: been on the case from the get go. Sidney, what
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  Speaker 2: do you make me as testimony?
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  Speaker 8: Well, Nancy, I don't think Brian Steele is making the
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  Speaker 8: impact he thinks he's making. It's shocking to me when
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  Speaker 8: they ask questions like well, why did you repost this
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  Speaker 8: birthday message from Combs? And the witnesses are just like,
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  Speaker 8: of course, of course I would repost this, That's not
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  Speaker 8: even a question. I had to do what I had
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  Speaker 8: to do to keep Combs happy, to act appropriately on
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  Speaker 8: the days where I needed to be celebratory of Combs. So,
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  Speaker 8: even though this man abused me and this man treated
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  Speaker 8: me horribly on a regular basis, there were periods that
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  Speaker 8: he treated me like I was his best friend, and
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  Speaker 8: of course I did whatever I had to do to
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  Speaker 8: make those periods last. As long as possible. They lived
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  Speaker 8: in constant fear of Combs being angry with whatever comment
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  Speaker 8: they decided to make. Remember, he controlled pathy down to
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  Speaker 8: her daily appearance, so any little thing could set Combs off.
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  Speaker 8: So I find it very interesting that Nia is just
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  Speaker 8: completely forthright in what she had to do to survive
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  Speaker 8: those years working for Combs.
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  Speaker 2: Lauren Collin, I want to hear all about Sean Combs's
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  Speaker 2: demeanor as evidence poured from the witness stand.
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  Speaker 1: How did he react? I mean did.
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  Speaker 4: He He does seem a little bit frustrated because of
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  Speaker 4: the fact that there are so many objections during Brian
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  Speaker 4: Steele's cross I mean, he really seems to need to
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  Speaker 4: work on rephrasing these questions so they they are proper
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  Speaker 4: and there's some trouble there. So you can kind of
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  Speaker 4: see Diddy is a little exasperated, you know, at this
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  Speaker 4: point the judge seems to be a little annoyed as well.
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  Speaker 4: So Brian Steele will We'll try to maybe rephrase a
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  Speaker 4: question or two, and then the judge is just like, look,
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  Speaker 4: move on, and you can kind of see Diddy will
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  Speaker 4: just kind of like visibly at pail a little bit
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  Speaker 4: and sit in his chair just frustrated.
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  Speaker 2: Mia, not her real name, describes PTSD post traumatic stress
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  Speaker 2: syndrome listen.
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  Speaker 9: Mia says normal situations at work would bring on an
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  Speaker 9: overwhelming fear of being in trouble, which previously meant violent outbursts,
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  Speaker 9: death threats, or suspension without paying Combs's world, Mia says
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  Speaker 9: things as simple as a where are you text are
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  Speaker 9: now extremely triggering.
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  Speaker 1: Because of Combs.
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  Speaker 10: Mia considered leaving several times, but feared Combs would have
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  Speaker 10: made sure she never worked in the industry again. When
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  Speaker 10: Mia finally worked up the courage to quit employment attorneys
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  Speaker 10: to negotiate severance and unpaid bonuses. Combs refused to speak
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  Speaker 10: with Mia directly during negotiations, and despite her initial ten
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  Speaker 10: million dollar demand, Mia settled for four hundred thousand dollars.
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  Speaker 1: In addition to Doctor Bethany and armand Wiggins.
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  Speaker 2: You can see him on YouTube joining me now a
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  Speaker 2: special guest longtime friend and colleague Rob Shooter. Rob was
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  Speaker 2: Shawn Combs's pa uru for years. He no longer works
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  Speaker 2: for him, Thank goodness, or I'd be grilling you even worse.
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  Speaker 1: Rob Shooter, host.
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  Speaker 2: Of Naughty but Nice podcast, has at Robshooter dot substack
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  Speaker 2: dot com, author of the foreword answer Rob, I want
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  Speaker 2: to talk about what Mia has been saying on the
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  Speaker 2: stand all day and for several days, the fact that
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  Speaker 2: she lived in fear. You know, I believe it was
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  Speaker 2: you that first told me that Shawn Combs ordered somebody
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  Speaker 2: to go get him a cheesecake at three o'clock in
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  Speaker 2: the morning, and they did it. They found a place
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  Speaker 2: that was open, they got the cheesecake and brought it
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  Speaker 2: back to Sean Combs. It seems as if he was
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  Speaker 2: very imperious with his employees. To the fact that Mia
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  Speaker 2: describes PTSD, that's what she's describing. I've seen it in
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  Speaker 2: a lot of crime victims.
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  Speaker 1: Describe what you witnessed.
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  Speaker 11: My time working with Diddy was extraordinary, Nam say, I've
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  Speaker 11: never had a job. I've never experienced anything like that again,
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  Speaker 11: and I've gone to work with stars even bigger than him.
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  Speaker 11: It was really gruelsome. It wasn't a job, it was
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  Speaker 11: it was a life. He took over your life. He
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  Speaker 11: demanded you twenty four hours a day, seven days a week.
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  Speaker 11: He could be really bullying. He could also be very charming,
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  Speaker 11: and so I understand everything that MIA's saying. It's heartbreaking,
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  Speaker 11: and it's an experience that very very few, thankfully we'll
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  Speaker 11: ever know.
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  Speaker 2: Okay, I want to get back to these demands, because
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  Speaker 2: if he could make a grown person get out of
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  Speaker 2: bed at three am and traverse Manhattan to get him
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  Speaker 2: a slice of cheesecake, and it had to be the
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  Speaker 2: best cheesecake, it couldn't be any crap that could yet
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  Speaker 2: down at the Dagstino's right, What could he make someone
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  Speaker 2: like Mia do, who was already meek and mild and traumatized.
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  Speaker 2: I mean, I want to hear what it was like.
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  Speaker 2: Did you say it was a way of life? It
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  Speaker 2: was your life? Why it was our lives?
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  Speaker 11: Because we were young. He had picked people to work
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  Speaker 11: with him that he could control. There was nobody on
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  Speaker 11: his staff, including me, that was terribly experienced. It was
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  Speaker 11: all about him. He carefully groomed us all, He carefully
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  Speaker 11: selected us all. And if anybody came into his world
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  Speaker 11: who said no, who was too experienced to move better,
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  Speaker 11: they didn't last. He was the ringmaster and we played
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  Speaker 11: along in his circus.
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  Speaker 1: Rob Shooter.
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  Speaker 2: You stated that Shawn Holmes has a very carefully choreographed
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  Speaker 2: personal image, and you told a story about making the
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  Speaker 2: press move at a private airport. I guess it was Teterborough.
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  Speaker 2: So as they all filmed Seawn Holmes pulling up. Yeah,
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  Speaker 2: at first you didn't see the private plane, and he
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  Speaker 2: was so angry. He actually single handedly made all the
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  Speaker 2: press move where they were standing so he could re
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  Speaker 2: enter Teterborrow so when he got out of his suv
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  Speaker 2: you could see the private plane behind him.
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  Speaker 1: Describe Yeah, absolutely true.
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  Speaker 11: I was on the tarmac. The press was lined up
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  Speaker 11: waiting for him, everybody from national shows to local press.
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  Speaker 11: And he drove up in his car and he realized
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  Speaker 11: they were shooting this ugly airport terminal behind him, and
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  Speaker 11: he wanted a shot of this very, very expensive private plane.
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  Speaker 11: So what he did is he left, he restaged his entrance.
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  Speaker 11: We spun the press around, and we had to go
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  Speaker 11: down that line, Nancy and make sure every member of
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  Speaker 11: the press who were videoing deleted their original footage. So
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  Speaker 11: we did not leave this to chance. It was something
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  Speaker 11: that he had thought of. I wouldn't have thought about this,
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  Speaker 11: but he told me make sure they've all deleted the footage.
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  Speaker 11: I don't want I don't want to give them the
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  Speaker 11: choice of decius, that'll use the one that I give.
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  Speaker 2: Them, So he got an entire fleet of the media
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  Speaker 2: to change their positions and delete video.
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  Speaker 1: I'm making a point. Listen to this shooter.
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  Speaker 9: Brian Steele shows me a birthday shout out from Comb's
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  Speaker 9: caption beside every great man is a great woman. PS. Sorry,
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  Speaker 9: I was acting crazy last night. Mia says Combs had
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  Speaker 9: threatened her life on a phone call the night before,
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  Speaker 9: and she took this as his apology. Steele asks if
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  Speaker 9: she reposted the message despite the seriousness of the threat,
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  Speaker 9: and Mia responds, of course, reading off her profusely thankful caption. Thanks,
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  Speaker 9: pof love. You You've shown me the world.
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  Speaker 2: So you're hearing Rob Shooter the posts that Mia is
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  Speaker 2: making about a birthday wish, and then she gets cross
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  Speaker 2: examined about wishing Shawn Colms happy birthday on a post. Now,
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  Speaker 2: I have seen rape victims go along to get along,
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  Speaker 2: whether you're seeing your employer forcing sex on you, Usbane partner, judge,
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  Speaker 2: and you don't want to make waves in the courthouse,
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  Speaker 2: so you put up with it and you just keep going.
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  Speaker 2: But he's really tearing her up on the stand about
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  Speaker 2: this shoot or what do you make of it?
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  Speaker 11: You know him yeah, I think this is directed by Diddy.
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  Speaker 11: I think Puff is running this entire trial. He's telling
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  Speaker 11: his lawyers what to do, which might be a mistake,
• 18:24
  Speaker 11: but his ego is very, very big and news flashy
• 18:27
  Speaker 11: and Nancy. It is possible to think love a monster.
• 18:31
  Speaker 11: A person can be a terrible person and you can
• 18:34
  Speaker 11: still have feelings towards them. And I think that's a
• 18:37
  Speaker 11: mistake here that did he is making. I think people
• 18:41
  Speaker 11: know the difference. And just because I post something a
• 18:45
  Speaker 11: birthday message, something kind towards you, doesn't mean you can't
• 18:49
  Speaker 11: also be a terrible human being.
• 18:51
  Speaker 2: We are live at the courthouse covering a multi count
• 18:54
  Speaker 2: federal indictment on sex trafficking against Sean.
• 18:58
  Speaker 1: Comes aka did It Now.
• 19:01
  Speaker 2: Everyone seems to be weighing in with their trial expertise,
• 19:05
  Speaker 2: and it goes from Snoop to Shug Night to Fiddy,
• 19:10
  Speaker 2: but now we have Donald Trump weighing in.
• 19:14
  Speaker 1: Listen, I look.
• 19:15
  Speaker 12: At what's happening, and I haven't been watching it too closely,
• 19:19
  Speaker 12: although it's certainly getting a lot of coverage. I haven't
• 19:22
  Speaker 12: seen him.
• 19:22
  Speaker 1: I haven't spoken over years.
• 19:24
  Speaker 12: It really like me a lot, But I think when
• 19:26
  Speaker 12: I ran for politics, he sort of that relationship busted up.
• 19:30
  Speaker 12: From what I read, I don't know he didn't tell
• 19:32
  Speaker 12: me that, but I'd read some little bit nasty saying,
• 19:34
  Speaker 12: it's get the facts.
• 19:36
  Speaker 1: If I think.
• 19:37
  Speaker 12: Somebody was mistreated, whether they like me or don't like me,
• 19:41
  Speaker 12: it wouldn't have any impact on me.
• 19:42
  Speaker 2: That from our friends at Fox, and I ask you,
• 19:46
  Speaker 2: mister President, don't hank this trial. We don't even have
• 19:50
  Speaker 2: a guilty verdict yet. Let's don't talk about pardons yet.
• 19:55
  Speaker 2: Isn't that putting the cart before the horse? And if
• 19:58
  Speaker 2: you'll notice, Trump's not saying I would pardon him, He
• 20:02
  Speaker 2: says I would look at the facts.
• 20:08
  Speaker 1: Crime stories with Nancy Grace.
• 20:12
  Speaker 2: Straight out to Lynn as Shawn joining me, founder director
• 20:15
  Speaker 2: of Lynn's Warriors, dedicated to ending trafficking on girls and womens.
• 20:21
  Speaker 2: By the way, all that from fifty cents official Instagram page.
• 20:24
  Speaker 1: You know Lynn Shaw.
• 20:25
  Speaker 2: When I covered the Natalie Holloway case and went to
• 20:27
  Speaker 2: investigate it myself, I kept swearing on air I would
• 20:31
  Speaker 2: never put a toe on a Reuben soil. But guess what,
• 20:34
  Speaker 2: the US tourist rate went up in Aruba. So do
• 20:40
  Speaker 2: you think Johnson and Johnson Baby Oil has shot through
• 20:43
  Speaker 2: the roof.
• 20:45
  Speaker 1: Are they missing the point?
• 20:46
  Speaker 3: You know, I'm going to be maintaining here with this
• 20:49
  Speaker 3: questioning my dirty diddy death stare. We are living in
• 20:53
  Speaker 3: this dirty Diddy dystopian dumpster world. And I think no,
• 20:58
  Speaker 3: the baby oil market is going to remain flat. If anything,
• 21:03
  Speaker 3: I think people are looking at baby oil right now,
• 21:06
  Speaker 3: Johnson and Johnson, baby oil, all baby oil in a
• 21:09
  Speaker 3: different light. I really think they don't care about the
• 21:12
  Speaker 3: baby oil. It brings a feeling of disgust the baby oil.
• 21:15
  Speaker 1: That's what we're.
• 21:16
  Speaker 3: Talking about, baby oil. Let's flip it over to victims survivors,
• 21:20
  Speaker 3: and let's talk about them and what they're going through. Again,
• 21:23
  Speaker 3: I maintain the justice system is upside down. We're talking
• 21:26
  Speaker 3: about all of these issues. We are not talking about
• 21:30
  Speaker 3: trauma bonding. We are not talking about survivors who's taking
• 21:34
  Speaker 3: care of them. We're not talking about bottom girls. But
• 21:37
  Speaker 3: that may be for a whole other program. So I
• 21:39
  Speaker 3: want to stay on focus. I want us to always
• 21:41
  Speaker 3: flip it around to victims survivors and maintain and empower them.
• 21:46
  Speaker 3: And this is exactly why nobody comes forward in rape
• 21:49
  Speaker 3: cases and sexual exploitation, because nobody wants to talk about them.
• 21:53
  Speaker 3: Nobody wants to help them. There's nothing out there for them.
• 21:56
  Speaker 3: Back to trauma, bonding with Dirty Ditty to Josh.
• 21:59
  Speaker 2: Ritter and joining meeral defense attorney, renown criminal defense attorney,
• 22:02
  Speaker 2: former prosecutor and host of Courtroom Confidential on YouTube. You
• 22:06
  Speaker 2: know Josh Ritter, We hear fifty now saying that he
• 22:11
  Speaker 2: is going to intervene and go all the way to
• 22:13
  Speaker 2: the White House to stop a potential pardon. In light
• 22:16
  Speaker 2: of recent pardons, people are actually concerned Trump may pardon Diddy.
• 22:22
  Speaker 1: If there is a conviction.
• 22:25
  Speaker 2: This based on recent pardon of the Chrislies who ripped
• 22:29
  Speaker 2: off victims to over thirty million dollars. One guy who
• 22:35
  Speaker 2: founded the gang Disciples in Chicago released and he was
• 22:40
  Speaker 2: behind bars on conspiracy for murder. It's causing shockwaves amongst
• 22:45
  Speaker 2: the community of crime victims.
• 22:48
  Speaker 1: And it's one.
• 22:49
  Speaker 2: Thing to show Fiddy's memes and talk about that, but
• 22:54
  Speaker 2: it's another thing when crime victims, rape victims are in
• 22:59
  Speaker 2: fear that if there is a potential verdict, a guilty verdict,
• 23:04
  Speaker 2: there'll be a pardon. So what's the point. And also,
• 23:07
  Speaker 2: you're a former prosecutor, how does that make a prosecutor
• 23:10
  Speaker 2: feel to go through all of this with a pardon
• 23:14
  Speaker 2: looming over their shoulder.
• 23:15
  Speaker 1: I just don't think you would do it.
• 23:17
  Speaker 13: You know, you make a really excellent point. One of
• 23:19
  Speaker 13: the most difficult cases to put on as a prosecutor
• 23:23
  Speaker 13: is these types of cases, these sexual assault cases. And
• 23:25
  Speaker 13: it's not because of the proof. It's not because of
• 23:28
  Speaker 13: the evidence. It's because of convincing these victims to cooperate,
• 23:33
  Speaker 13: getting them to come back into court and talk about
• 23:35
  Speaker 13: the trauma that they've experienced, getting them to relive that,
• 23:39
  Speaker 13: relive that realizing that they're going to be put under
• 23:41
  Speaker 13: the crucible of cross examination. And the whole way you're
• 23:45
  Speaker 13: able to do it and convince them is that they're
• 23:47
  Speaker 13: going with this a way and now there might be
• 23:51
  Speaker 13: big idea.
• 23:52
  Speaker 2: One point here armand Wiggins joining us host of The
• 23:58
  Speaker 2: armand Wiggans Show on YouTube. One point is if Fiddy
• 24:03
  Speaker 2: is making all these memes, he clearly believes that Seawn
• 24:08
  Speaker 2: Comes is going to get convicted. In fact, one of
• 24:12
  Speaker 2: his memes, which I'd like to show is about Vegas odds.
• 24:16
  Speaker 1: He's saying, what's the spread on this?
• 24:18
  Speaker 2: I'm going Seawn Comes for twenty So if he is
• 24:22
  Speaker 2: issuing all of these memes and posting them.
• 24:26
  Speaker 1: Clearly he thinks comes is going to get convicted.
• 24:30
  Speaker 6: I definitely think that did. He probably will be convicted.
• 24:33
  Speaker 5: But as it pertains to me as testimony, I have
• 24:36
  Speaker 5: to honestly say, it did feel a little shaky.
• 24:38
  Speaker 6: You know.
• 24:39
  Speaker 5: I feel like they were able to neutralize her as
• 24:42
  Speaker 5: a witness. I don't think that she completely I don't
• 24:44
  Speaker 5: feel like Brian's still completely eliminated. I feel like he
• 24:47
  Speaker 5: eliminated her as a witness.
• 24:49
  Speaker 1: I do.
• 24:50
  Speaker 6: I honestly feel that way.
• 24:51
  Speaker 14: After Vitty, we now represent one hundred and twenty individuals
• 24:56
  Speaker 14: who intend to bring civil claims in civil court against
• 24:59
  Speaker 14: Sean any Combs, as well as claims against many other
• 25:03
  Speaker 14: individuals and entities that we will name as defendants as
• 25:08
  Speaker 14: we file these individual cases. There are sixty males and
• 25:11
  Speaker 14: sixty females. Twenty five of one hundred and twenty individuals
• 25:16
  Speaker 14: who are plaintiffs in these cases remind us at the
• 25:19
  Speaker 14: time of the acts.
• 25:20
  Speaker 8: Complained of them.
• 25:22
  Speaker 2: That's from Tony Busby's official Instagram page. You know you're
• 25:25
  Speaker 2: in trouble when there is a toll free number just
• 25:30
  Speaker 2: for victims to call about you. To Rob Shooter joining
• 25:35
  Speaker 2: us Rob Shooter, Are you surprised that Sean Combs has
• 25:40
  Speaker 2: been able to keep so many alleged victims quiet for
• 25:45
  Speaker 2: so long? We've seen multiple civil lawsuits occur after Cassie
• 25:50
  Speaker 2: Ventura came out, and we are asking the wrong questions.
• 25:54
  Speaker 2: We're saying, why are you suing him for money? You're
• 25:58
  Speaker 2: in it just for the money, Cassi Ventura or Miya,
• 26:01
  Speaker 2: instead of asking the question, why is Sean Combs paying
• 26:05
  Speaker 2: millions and millions of dollars to keep these victims quiet?
• 26:11
  Speaker 2: Why do you think so many victims have gone unheard
• 26:15
  Speaker 2: until now?
• 26:16
  Speaker 1: Maybe because of what we see happening to Mia on
• 26:18
  Speaker 1: the stand? Yeah, yeah, I.
• 26:20
  Speaker 11: Think there's going to be that we've seen. There's a
• 26:22
  Speaker 11: long history of this money power, fame are all really intoxicating.
• 26:28
  Speaker 11: If you can't bully them with your fame, then you
• 26:31
  Speaker 11: throw money at the problems. And I think we have
• 26:34
  Speaker 11: to be honest here. The tape of Cassie changed everything
• 26:37
  Speaker 11: once that videotape existed, Nancay, we saw what happened when
• 26:41
  Speaker 11: somebody tried to leave. We saw Cassie running down a hallway.
• 26:46
  Speaker 11: She's trying to get away from him. And look what
• 26:49
  Speaker 11: happened to her. That's why people didn't leave. It wasn't
• 26:54
  Speaker 11: just the money, wasn't just the fame, wasn't just the power, Nancy,
• 26:57
  Speaker 11: It was the violence.
• 26:58
  Speaker 6: Look at it.
• 26:59
  Speaker 2: Joining me right now now is a special guest, doctor
• 27:01
  Speaker 2: Dwayne Hendricks, former Associate warden at MDC in Brooklyn, former
• 27:06
  Speaker 2: senior warden with the US Department of Justice, author of
• 27:10
  Speaker 2: Who Are You See It? Say It Sees It? And
• 27:13
  Speaker 2: he is the president of a new Daylight Foundation. Doctor Hendrix,
• 27:17
  Speaker 2: thank you so much for being with us. As of today,
• 27:22
  Speaker 2: the defense team is whining that they don't have enough
• 27:26
  Speaker 2: time with their client. They want to change the entire
• 27:30
  Speaker 2: procedure of getting Sean Combs to the courthouse and getting.
• 27:33
  Speaker 1: Him back to the jail.
• 27:36
  Speaker 2: So isn't it true the correctional facility has a special
• 27:41
  Speaker 2: place for lawyers to meet with their clients.
• 27:45
  Speaker 15: Yes, it may meet with their lawyers inside the visiting
• 27:49
  Speaker 15: room in the various corners they have attorney client rooms.
• 27:55
  Speaker 15: There's typically two to three in each visiting room in
• 27:58
  Speaker 15: any federal prison.
• 28:01
  Speaker 16: Those visits are typically scheduled ahead.
• 28:04
  Speaker 15: Of time through the inmates counselor, which is a part
• 28:08
  Speaker 15: of the inmates unit team and and they normally happen
• 28:12
  Speaker 15: during the normal visiting hours NBC Brooklyn the visiting hours
• 28:16
  Speaker 15: between five am and seven pm Money through Friday, at
• 28:20
  Speaker 15: nine am and four pm on weekends and holidays.
• 28:24
  Speaker 2: Doctor Henri, could you describe the private room where inmates
• 28:28
  Speaker 2: are allowed to speak to their lawyers at Lenks.
• 28:32
  Speaker 15: Typically the rooms will have maybe two to set up
• 28:36
  Speaker 15: kind of like an interview style where there's like a
• 28:39
  Speaker 15: table one side the inmate would sit on, and there's
• 28:43
  Speaker 15: usually no more than three chairs on the other side.
• 28:46
  Speaker 15: In the case you know, you have two counselor maybe
• 28:49
  Speaker 15: a paraleal there to take notes with that with the
• 28:52
  Speaker 15: particular that particular client. The rooms are very small, they're
• 28:57
  Speaker 15: they're glass, so the staff that's having oversight of that
• 29:01
  Speaker 15: particular visit, they can't hear what's going on in the room,
• 29:04
  Speaker 15: but they can sit at a vantage point where they
• 29:07
  Speaker 15: can see where, you know, what's going on in that
• 29:11
  Speaker 15: room in case you know, emergency.
• 29:13
  Speaker 2: And Andrew Hendricks, how long the inmates get to meet
• 29:17
  Speaker 2: with their lawyers? Hours and hours in private they have
• 29:22
  Speaker 2: access to a law library. Isn't it true that Seawan
• 29:24
  Speaker 2: Combs is getting additional time to meet with his lawyers.
• 29:27
  Speaker 15: Throughout my careers, typically, you know, no more than a
• 29:30
  Speaker 15: couple of hours, depending on what this particular request is
• 29:33
  Speaker 15: for that particular inmate. Now we're talking about the Sean
• 29:37
  Speaker 15: Combs case. As we know, he's at the courthouse first
• 29:40
  Speaker 15: day in the morning. Court starts around nine ninet thirty
• 29:45
  Speaker 15: and it's ending about four pm. So if visiting ends
• 29:49
  Speaker 15: at seven pm with them having to undress him out,
• 29:53
  Speaker 15: put them in a vehicle, take them back to the jail,
• 29:56
  Speaker 15: get them fed, you know you're talking about, and then
• 29:58
  Speaker 15: being in process back into the jail. We're talking about
• 30:01
  Speaker 15: five fifteen, five point thirty, which would only give them
• 30:04
  Speaker 15: an hour and a half to prep with him to
• 30:07
  Speaker 15: go over a strategy for the next day. So if
• 30:11
  Speaker 15: they're asking for additional time, I would I could see
• 30:17
  Speaker 15: at the war's discretion, especially as a high profile as
• 30:21
  Speaker 15: this case is in all the public interests, whether it's
• 30:24
  Speaker 15: here in America or even internationally, I don't see any
• 30:29
  Speaker 15: concerns with them giving them another two hours, two to
• 30:33
  Speaker 15: three hours to prep with their client for the next day.
• 30:38
  Speaker 16: I mean, this trial is tendatively scheduled to end.
• 30:41
  Speaker 15: The goal is to end it by the end of
• 30:43
  Speaker 15: the month or before the fourth of July weekend, So
• 30:45
  Speaker 15: we're talking about four weeks. You know, maybe five to
• 30:50
  Speaker 15: ten hour additional hours during the week and maybe two
• 30:53
  Speaker 15: to three hours on the weekend, depending on what else
• 30:57
  Speaker 15: in the.
• 30:57
  Speaker 1: World crime stores with Nancy Grace, doctor Hendrix.
• 31:07
  Speaker 2: Isn't it true that the MDC is open on the
• 31:11
  Speaker 2: weekends and the lawyers.
• 31:13
  Speaker 1: Could go meet with comes on the weekends.
• 31:16
  Speaker 16: Yes, and again it is open.
• 31:20
  Speaker 15: Visiting hours are from nine am to four pm weekends
• 31:23
  Speaker 15: and holidays, and it's visiting is open until seven pm
• 31:28
  Speaker 15: on a normal weekday, so they have, you know, depending
• 31:33
  Speaker 15: on how long it takes the marshals to get him
• 31:35
  Speaker 15: back to the jail. It's not going to take him
• 31:38
  Speaker 15: very long to be in processed to the East Building
• 31:40
  Speaker 15: where he's currently being.
• 31:41
  Speaker 16: Housed, so they will probably have about an hour.
• 31:44
  Speaker 15: And a half to meet with him, and depending on
• 31:47
  Speaker 15: which attorneys he's going to meet with, what their strategy
• 31:50
  Speaker 15: is going to be, it's not an unusual request for
• 31:53
  Speaker 15: them for him to meet with his attorneys for a
• 31:56
  Speaker 15: couple more hours.
• 31:57
  Speaker 16: I mean, there's a.
• 31:58
  Speaker 15: Nine between the nine and ten clock count each day
• 32:01
  Speaker 15: in the facility and they can put him on the
• 32:04
  Speaker 15: out count in the visiting room while he's down there visiting,
• 32:08
  Speaker 15: because again, this trial is only going to last a
• 32:10
  Speaker 15: few more weeks.
• 32:12
  Speaker 16: And the last thing the Bureau Prisons and more specifically MDC.
• 32:15
  Speaker 15: Brooklyn does not want to do is be a part
• 32:19
  Speaker 15: of any hindrance to him having effective counsel and giving
• 32:22
  Speaker 15: grounds for them to you on appeal to say, hey,
• 32:26
  Speaker 15: you know, he didn't get effective counsel because the institution
• 32:30
  Speaker 15: didn't allow him to visit with his attorneys.
• 32:32
  Speaker 16: And then they're going to look at historical data.
• 32:35
  Speaker 15: They're going to look at how big, you know, how
• 32:37
  Speaker 15: many inmates were housed at that facility in the past
• 32:40
  Speaker 15: versus what they have now and making a sound correctional
• 32:45
  Speaker 15: judgment decision.
• 32:46
  Speaker 16: It just doesn't make sense to.
• 32:48
  Speaker 15: Not try as much as possible to accommodate this request.
• 32:53
  Speaker 1: A lot of.
• 32:53
  Speaker 3: Them have never come forward. They'd rather just disappear forget
• 32:57
  Speaker 3: about it. They're too scared.
• 32:59
  Speaker 7: They are light of him.
• 33:01
  Speaker 2: As we all are watching the testimony pour from the
• 33:04
  Speaker 2: witness stand, we learn that Sean Come's prison clothes.
• 33:10
  Speaker 1: Have been auctioned. Does he need the money that badly?
• 33:18
  Speaker 2: Do his defense lawyers cost that much. I thought it
• 33:21
  Speaker 2: was worth a billion dollars. Are the defense attorneys worth it?
• 33:27
  Speaker 17: Listen, Diddy's prison outfit is going up for auction, but
• 33:30
  Speaker 17: it's not his MDC uniform. The rapper's iconic costume from
• 33:34
  Speaker 17: his role as Lawrence Musgrove in the two thousand and
• 33:37
  Speaker 17: one romantic thriller drama Monsters Ball is expected to sell
• 33:41
  Speaker 17: for a hefty penny when bidding begins next week. Combs
• 33:45
  Speaker 17: only appears in the early parts of the film before
• 33:47
  Speaker 17: his character is executed. His costume consists of a gray hoodie,
• 33:51
  Speaker 17: jeans with one pant leg cut off, in black shoes.
• 33:55
  Speaker 17: One of his first major film roles, Combs start alongside
• 33:58
  Speaker 17: Holly Berry Billy Bob Thorne in The Late Heath Ledger.
• 34:01
  Speaker 2: So, Josh Ritter, you're a veteran trial lawyer, former prosecutor.
• 34:05
  Speaker 2: What happens when did runs out of money? Please don't
• 34:07
  Speaker 2: tell me that we the tax payers are going to
• 34:10
  Speaker 2: have to pay for his defense.
• 34:12
  Speaker 13: No, I don't think we are. I think unfortunately for
• 34:15
  Speaker 13: his attorneys, they're on the hook. They're just going to
• 34:17
  Speaker 13: have to see it through the rest of the shop.
• 34:20
  Speaker 13: I cannot imagine though, even as expensive as they are
• 34:24
  Speaker 13: that they have burnt through all of his life. But
• 34:26
  Speaker 13: I will say, you know, if you're a man going
• 34:29
  Speaker 13: to prison, money really isn't worth all that much to
• 34:32
  Speaker 13: you if it can't keep you out of prison. So
• 34:34
  Speaker 13: maybe he is paying quite a bit of money to.
• 34:36
  Speaker 1: Doctor Bethany Marshall.
• 34:37
  Speaker 2: Interesting, he's paying a fleet of high powered defense attorneys
• 34:43
  Speaker 2: to represent him. An estimate weeks ago, weeks ago, five
• 34:49
  Speaker 2: or six weeks ago was a ten million dollar price
• 34:53
  Speaker 2: tech so far, and that is before the litigation actually started.
• 34:57
  Speaker 2: That was pre trial prep by these lawyers. But he's
• 35:00
  Speaker 2: also spending a lot of money on pr initiatives trying
• 35:05
  Speaker 2: to make himself look good in the public eye. Now
• 35:09
  Speaker 2: he's got a hope that the jurors say.
• 35:11
  Speaker 18: That, Nancy, this is a great question because when I
• 35:14
  Speaker 18: have sociopaths come to my office, they are very grandiose, pompous,
• 35:18
  Speaker 18: self assured menacing threatening until they get in trouble and
• 35:23
  Speaker 18: then they freak out. They employ as many sources as
• 35:27
  Speaker 18: possible to protect themselves, and it's usually as they're on
• 35:31
  Speaker 18: the break of some type of incarceration or getting charged
• 35:35
  Speaker 18: that they actually come to therapy, and then they try
• 35:38
  Speaker 18: to employ me in some way to help them, protect them,
• 35:41
  Speaker 18: to write a letter, to do some kind of a
• 35:43
  Speaker 18: statement for them. So I'm not surprised we're seeing the
• 35:46
  Speaker 18: bigger pattern unfold with p Ditty that he threatens and
• 35:50
  Speaker 18: controls and tell he's about to get caught, and then
• 35:54
  Speaker 18: he he dispenses all of his minions to cover.
• 35:57
  Speaker 7: It up for him.
• 35:58
  Speaker 2: You know. Back to Shaw joining us for Land's Warriors,
• 36:02
  Speaker 2: a nonprofit to stop sex trafficking.
• 36:05
  Speaker 1: It's a real David and Goliath here.
• 36:07
  Speaker 2: The alleged rate victim up against a Ma Shane like
• 36:13
  Speaker 2: bad Boy enterprise is like Sean Combs.
• 36:15
  Speaker 3: Yeah, and this is what we constantly hear, how can
• 36:18
  Speaker 3: I fight this. I don't have the money, I don't
• 36:20
  Speaker 3: have the community on my side, I don't have lawyers
• 36:23
  Speaker 3: who believe me, or I have no money, so nobody
• 36:25
  Speaker 3: will work with me.
• 36:27
  Speaker 8: You know.
• 36:27
  Speaker 3: It's it's simply that equation we see over and over again.
• 36:31
  Speaker 1: It's the power.
• 36:32
  Speaker 3: Dynamic over a vulnerable person. I want to keep the
• 36:36
  Speaker 3: focus on that because here's what I ultimately think jurors
• 36:39
  Speaker 3: and everybody's going to remember all the time. They are
• 36:42
  Speaker 3: going to remember that Cassie video. We have to pray
• 36:46
  Speaker 3: that they remember that one piece of video and that
• 36:49
  Speaker 3: will open up for everything else to follow. We really
• 36:53
  Speaker 3: have to just focus on that because I have too
• 36:55
  Speaker 3: many victims, survivors.
• 36:58
  Speaker 1: Not a ditty.
• 36:58
  Speaker 3: I know a few of them that have actually I've
• 37:01
  Speaker 3: known over the years. They've reached out to me. And
• 37:03
  Speaker 3: all sexual assault rape survivors are watching this with such
• 37:08
  Speaker 3: an eagle eye. They want him held accountable. It goes
• 37:12
  Speaker 3: far beyond just his case. It's about society. It's about culture,
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  Speaker 3: and they want this power dynamic. They want somebody to
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  Speaker 3: answer for it. And I still maintain, in some way,
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  Speaker 3: shape or form, Dirty Diddy is going down.
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  Speaker 2: Armand Wiggins is joining US entertainment legal affair commentator host
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  Speaker 2: on the podcast The armand Wigans Show been covering the
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  Speaker 2: trial since day one. Armand Wiggins I since that there's
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  Speaker 2: a vast group of people out there that want Sean
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  Speaker 2: comes to walk. They don't want to believe Cassie Ventira.
• 37:46
  Speaker 2: They don't want to see that gotten an.
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  Speaker 1: Argument with ray Ja the other day.
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  Speaker 2: Of all people, they don't want to see that gash
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  Speaker 2: on her forehead. They don't want to hear that testimony.
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  Speaker 2: And if they do hear it, if it manages to
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  Speaker 2: somehow sink in, then they go, oh, well, she was
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  Speaker 2: just in it for the money. Really, she put up
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  Speaker 2: with that for ten years for a payoff. Years and
• 38:08
  Speaker 2: years later now with me on the stand, we hear
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  Speaker 2: about comes paying her four hundred thousand dollars to get
• 38:15
  Speaker 2: her to shut the hay up and go away. But
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  Speaker 2: there there is a faction, a fringe faction of people
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  Speaker 2: that don't want to hear these women. I mean, could
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  Speaker 2: somebody actually believe that all these women are lying and
• 38:34
  Speaker 2: that Combs is the only one telling the truth?
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  Speaker 1: Why do people want did it to get off?
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  Speaker 5: I think that's what happens when it comes to women.
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  Speaker 5: I think it's an unfortunate situation because they see a
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  Speaker 5: man with power and then they see these women and
• 38:47
  Speaker 5: they try to make it seem like Cassie was a
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  Speaker 5: whore or somehow she could have brought this on herself
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  Speaker 5: and there's no excuse. And I like what was said
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  Speaker 5: earlier about that video. It doesn't matter. That video still stands.
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  Speaker 5: We cannot un see that video. So at the end
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  Speaker 5: of the day, I feel like that video sets presidents.
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  Speaker 5: And if you know what you know, then Diddy did it.
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  Speaker 5: It just boils down to me who has the better
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  Speaker 5: legal team. Like I said before, the defense does a
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  Speaker 5: good job by creating doubt in certain witnesses, but at
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  Speaker 5: the end of the day, we have to look at
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  Speaker 5: the facts. Diddy is guilty in my opinion. He's done
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  Speaker 5: it to the Assistance, He's done it to Cassie, He's
• 39:26
  Speaker 5: done it to everyone that's worked from every woman that's
• 39:28
  Speaker 5: been attached to him. They have feel indebted to him
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  Speaker 5: because of this emotional bond. They feel like they need
• 39:34
  Speaker 5: to be the ultimate fixer in their lit in his lives,
• 39:36
  Speaker 5: and he's somehow manipulated these women emotionally and mentally, and
• 39:41
  Speaker 5: somehow there are a subset of people that feel like,
• 39:44
  Speaker 5: you know what, they brought this on themselves.
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  Speaker 6: They could have left, and the reality is this.
• 39:49
  Speaker 5: Man has wowed them, smoothed them, got bought in them things,
• 39:54
  Speaker 5: given them things, and you know, they kind of fell
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  Speaker 5: victim to that.
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  Speaker 6: And I still for the victims for sure.
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  Speaker 2: You know, Armand you said something, and I said, oh,
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  Speaker 2: how much I disagree with you, But I'm glad you
• 40:07
  Speaker 2: said it, because you can't win a trial if you're
• 40:10
  Speaker 2: emotionally attached to the testimony. I said, I disagreed with
• 40:14
  Speaker 2: you about Mia, but the fact is, maybe you're right.
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  Speaker 2: I'm not saying she's lying. What I'm saying is maybe
• 40:22
  Speaker 2: the defense made inroads with her and there's a crack
• 40:26
  Speaker 2: in her testimony. Not that she's lying, but it's the
• 40:30
  Speaker 2: perception of the jurors that you have to think about
• 40:34
  Speaker 2: as a trial lawyer.
• 40:35
  Speaker 1: What do they think?
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  Speaker 2: So advice to the state, since you didn't ask, get
• 40:40
  Speaker 2: in there and shore up Mia pronto. We remember an
• 40:47
  Speaker 2: American hero, Lieutenant Charles Harrison, Pasco County Sheriff's shot in
• 40:52
  Speaker 2: the line of duty, leaving behind grieving children Charles, Sandy,
• 40:57
  Speaker 2: and Michelle sentenced to life without dad. American hero Charles Harrison.
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  Speaker 2: Nancy Gray signing off goodbye friend.