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Should rituals be censored in paranormal media? Are there risks to merely *watching* paranormal content? · Paranormal Lens - A Crossroads Of Curiosities, LLC Production

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  Coming up... Don't bring paraflux into your sex
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  rituals! They have never! Patti Negri would never!
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  Should we start putting disclaimers on this podcast
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  that our stupidity is contagious and whoever
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  listens and or watches might catch the stupidity?
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  Might not be a bad idea, honestly. Extrapolating.
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  Should we then start censoring ghost hunting
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  videos that ghosts can then go through and haunt
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  people that watch? That's a really great question.
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  A really interesting topic to talk about. I like
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  how we try. I try to make it seem like natural,
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  like we stumbled upon this topic and you just
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  like, yeah, this is. pre -planned yeah yeah well
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  i mean your intros are never pre -planned um
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  so i never know what to expect like how you're
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  gonna bring up the topic so i mean that was a
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  perfect segue look at you well i started having
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  to bring up the topic in the intros because initially
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  i would if if you or i set it up any way that
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  wasn't just like stating directly what the topic
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  was angela would just be like huh What's the
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  topic? What's the topic? Or we'd go on a rambling
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  rant for like 20 minutes before we even said
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  what the topic was. Exactly. Then Angela would
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  be like, I thought we were talking about blah,
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  blah, blah. Yeah, yeah, Angela, we are. We are.
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  I'm like, well, why haven't we talked about it
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  yet then? Huh? Hence why we should have a disclaimer
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  for stupidity. I mean, there is the saying, you
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  are what you eat. I mean, doesn't that go with
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  you are who you hang out with? Does that make
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  sense? That applies to, like, Dahmer. And maybe
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  Ed Gein does not apply to anyone that doesn't
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  eat their friends. I know, I know. I think she
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  just meant the analogy, like, you are what you
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  eat is, like, the same as, like, you are who
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  you hang out with, or it's like you... But I...
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  I mean, I tend to disagree, but, like... I don't
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  know. I was just trying to make a little bit
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  of a connection with a common saying, you know?
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  Agree to disagree? You hit that nail on the coffin
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  head. I thought we were leaving that in 2025.
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  The idioms? I mean, Angela just keeps bringing
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  up the... What's the idiom? What's the idiot?
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  What's the idiot? I totally just started drooling.
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  I was like, what? Did you see that? No. So, no
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  one worry. You're not catching any ghosts on...
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  On this episode... You might lose some brain
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  cells. Welcome to our podcast, where we take
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  deep dives looking at various topics through
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  a paranormal lens. Now that we're back from the
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  intro, let's center our focus, let's ground ourselves.
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  Oh my god, I could hear that all the way from
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  the other side of the apartment bed. I can hear
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  that all the way from the other side of the state.
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  That's what they do in the movies. They're like,
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  Let's get down to business to talk about this
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  topic. To defeat the ghosts. Sure. So, plain
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  and simple, let's just go one by one, a yes or
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  no. We're going to do this again. We haven't
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  done this since, I think, episode one because
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  it was a catastrophe, okay? but yes or no and
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  only answer with the word yes or the word no
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  okay angela do you believe that when you watch
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  a paranormal movie paranormal documentary a ghost
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  hunt be it a live stream edited and put on youtube
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  edited and put in you know theaters if you watch
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  a paranormal investigation through a screen Live,
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  not live, live, doesn't matter. Can you experience
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  paranormal activity and is there a risk of things
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  happening around you inviting the spirits into
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  your home just by watching an investigation through
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  a screen? Yes or no? Is there a risk? Tiny yes.
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  Actually, that was not the answer I anticipated
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  from you, Angela. I'll accept that. I'll accept
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  that as a yes or no one word answer. I need yes.
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  I didn't actually, no, I didn't expect that.
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  Bree? I don't know. That's not a one word answer.
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  There's a reason I said tiny yes, because it's
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  like an I don't know. So I'm going to go the
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  opposite and say kinda no. Kinda no, okay. Because
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  we're going to keep moving. How about you, Ben?
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  Oh, I like how also, like we said, this was pre
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  -planned to talk about this, and none of us,
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  I don't think, expected to have to answer the
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  question from the get. My answer, I don't have
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  a yes or no. Does I don't care? Okay, you can't
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  pull that. You can't pull that. You gotta say
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  yes or no. You can't be like, oh, I don't know.
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  Because you were saying to us you have to say
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  only yes or no. You can't say anything else.
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  So you gotta give a yes or no. So my real answer
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  is I don't care. That's still not a one -word
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  answer, Ben. You're going against your own rules.
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  God. Hypocrite. I will. Say... Huh, what do I
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  want to say here? Um... I... I don't know. It's
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  a yes or no answer, Ben. Yes, but I... No, you
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  can't say anything else. Yes or no. This is hard,
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  guys. How does it feel, Ben? How does it feel?
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  You can add tiny to it. Like you did, but otherwise...
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  Nope, he's not allowed to. Okay, okay. Um...
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  Come on. I will say... Come on. I will say...
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  Come on. I'm gonna say... I feel like yes would
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  be my answer, but not for the reasons you probably
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  expect. Interesting. Okay. Okay. I also didn't
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  anticipate that answer from you. um now i feel
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  like the outlier but also i feel i feel like
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  our opinions are actually swapped but we're going
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  the opposite way well because my because we're
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  like kind of maybe kind of maybe so we're gonna
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  get into it i only said yes just because like
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  i i don't think so and or care but i feel like
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  the people that would have things happen in in
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  their home after watching things or be worried
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  about having a risk you know yeah i feel like
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  regardless if it has to do with the what you're
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  actually showing what's actually on the screen
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  i feel like they're already so worked up and
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  in that headspace to have you know their own
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  fear their own paranoia could trigger the activity
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  absolutely their brain is just hyperactive and
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  in that state of adrenaline yeah anything that
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  is just coincidental is going to be like oh my
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  god something just paranormal happened in my
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  house and it's because i was just watching this
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  paranormal show or this live it's like that's
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  a regular everyday thing that has happened in
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  your household and you just maybe have not noticed
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  it before yeah because they're hyper focused
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  But for those people, there is a risk to watch
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  paranormal and engage with paranormal content.
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  You know what I mean? For them, there is a risk,
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  but it's not on the part of the people that are
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  putting out the content. I think it falls on
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  the people that are engaging with it. Not everyone
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  should engage with paranormal content if it is
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  causing you anxiety and a perception of a lot
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  of things happening around your house and fear.
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  yeah like if you're watching something and you're
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  like i only notice that things are happening
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  like during this or right after it and it's it's
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  really scary to me just don't watch them just
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  you know what's forcing you to no okay so this
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  reminds me because we've been going live lately
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  Yep. On TikTok. Yes, on TikTok specifically.
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  And there's a lot of people who come through
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  and they're like, oh, I'm like, now there's some
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  weird things happening in my house or around
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  me while they're watching our lives. And I'm
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  just like, I think you might just, they might
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  just be hyper fixated or whatever. And your anxiety
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  of being spooked by watching our stuff is just
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  getting your adrenaline going, you know? But
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  I can see two sides of it. yes but also these
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  are people on tiktok a lot of them follow us
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  already right these what happens when a credible
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  person and we know a couple credible people that
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  actually have had experiences during our live
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  streams and even brianna had something weird
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  potentially happen potentially i say potentially
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  but still i mean brianna do you want to say a
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  tiny yes though sometimes it does actually but
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  yeah here's the thing is like i was listening
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  to your guys's lives i wasn't really like what
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  i was watching it of course and a lot of things
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  were happening and like i'd walked into the other
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  room and i have a little baby gate up because
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  i don't want my dogs and cats to go in there
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  and i wasn't looking at it when i put it back
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  up behind me and it felt like one of my animals
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  was trying to push its way past the gate and
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  i'm like no no no don't do that and i turn around
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  and there's nothing there but i wasn't looking
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  at the gate it could have gotten caught on a
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  box it got i could have gotten caught on the
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  curtain like it really could have been anything
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  so i'm like was it paranormal probably not was
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  it a weird coincidence yes but then it's like
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  a domino effect once one person reports something
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  weird happening and then another one and another
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  one and then you you might not have otherwise
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  thought like this could be paranormal but since
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  other people also engaging in the same content
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  you are in the moment live then it kind of you
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  it's it also serves as like a false perception
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  of correlation if all these people are having
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  experiences but really you're only having experience
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  because someone else did and psychologically
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  you're looking out for it you know so that still
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  wouldn't have to do with the live stream itself
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  affecting you and any ghosts on our end it would
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  have to do more so psychologically hearing other
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  people have experiences yeah but though here's
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  the thing do you know when while we're going
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  live and we have jocks shouting out people's
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  names over the spirit box yeah do you want to
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  explain our live stream okay so interesting yes
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  so this will get into the point about maybe affecting
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  them though but i'm just saying while we're going
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  live on tiktok um we have jocks occasionally
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  like we all have people on our life being like
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  does jocks know who who we are so we're like
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  jocks you know blah blah and we get their username
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  or their actual real name over the spirit box
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  while we're on the live and so multiple instances
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  of that someone will comment specifically asking
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  jocks like or any entity where we've done some
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  with annabelle in the past too um but they they'll
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  ask do you know who i am and it'll say right
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  on cue their username uh there was one instance
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  too where it wasn't their username it was their
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  actual name though remember yes yes but then
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  a different instance it wasn't a name they said
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  can you give me a sign that you know who i am
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  and it said twins and then they said oh my god
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  i am a twin and it just so happened that their
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  twin who they don't live together uh they live
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  like far apart and they just so happen to be
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  together that night for the first time in a while
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  watching the live uh so there's been a lot of
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  instances like that but but here's also my thing
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  about that too is like with the spirit box especially
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  it's and even during just regular investigations
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  when we're doing investigations you're you're
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  listening to white noise and then you'll either
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  get an interference or something that comes through
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  maybe it's real maybe it's not your brain is
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  going to interpret that differently i know that
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  like many on multiple occasions we've had a voice
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  come through the spirit box and i'm like oh it
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  said this and then your guys are like Well, I
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  heard this. It's like everyone's going to interpret
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  something different and they're going to hear
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  what they want to hear. So if they're asking
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  for their name and something vaguely sounds similar
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  to their name, that's what they're going to hear.
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  110%. But how do you explain when we're the ones
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  that say, oh, it said twin and they're like,
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  what the heck? How would you know that? Or we
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  say it sounded like this and they say. that's
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  my real name not my user handle like how do you
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  explain those then it is it is hard to explain
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  like but like i said everything's up to perception
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  and and everything everything whether on a live
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  stream or not doing this by yourself or in front
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  of an audience everything should be taken with
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  a grain of salt when you get it through a device
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  we say it a million times so this is not new
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  information no no absolutely not um It is just
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  weird, that element of it seems to... Yeah, the
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  unknown. But here's my other thing, too, is not
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  necessarily me believing, but you, Ben, you don't
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  believe in intelligent hauntings. And everything
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  is usually a residual or coincidental experience.
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  So in that circumstance, how would they know?
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  Exactly. So... in that in that circumstance i
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  have an answer coincidental well i i'd say synchronistic
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  because that implies meaning behind the you know
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  coincidence there right so yeah i feel like and
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  this is maybe a tangent but i feel like when
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  we do these live streams angela i've talked about
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  this we've noticed and we say this all the time
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  when we're here in the apartment 90 % of the
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  time, nothing happens. Maybe one day a month,
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  something will happen. When we do the live streams
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  consistently, we're having activity happen. And
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  we've noticed even after doing the lives, like
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  during the week, normally we've had such elevated
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  experiences and paranormal activity happening.
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  And I really do think there is something to the
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  lives of having a thousand people focusing in
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  on one entity on one moment, you know, around
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  the country could. That create, like, an egregore
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  or stronger entity with all these people channeling
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  in and focusing on it, you know? So that focus
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  and intent is much stronger. Like, literally
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  thousands times stronger now than just me and
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  Angela sitting in our living room looking at
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  jocks. So, like, I feel like that, I don't know,
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  it's kind of like a chamber of, like, if you
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  just kind of picture a chamber and it's just,
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  like, one output just bouncing along, we'll be
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  like, doo, doo. now there's a thousand it's just
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  like just like going at all angles and bouncing
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  back at you so i feel like that uh we could tap
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  into something and be like us spiritually be
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  connected tapping into the same moment the same
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  thing type of type of thing and not necessarily
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  a spirit in this case or an egregore that's my
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  answer that's my tangent answer we should okay
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  If you have anything to respond to, we should
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  get back to the prompt. I feel like that is an
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  interesting take, an interesting go about it.
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  I don't know that I have anything to add or,
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  like, say anything, because that is not something
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  that I had really thought about. That makes sense.
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  Valid point. But I guess, too, to reiterate,
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  I did say I don't think that a lot of this is
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  an actual ghost. I think a lot of it is an elevated,
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  synchronistic type of energy or spiritual experience
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  or, you know, something along those lines, or
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  an egregore. So I guess no, there's no risk.
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  There's no risk. Yeah, because if the other people
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  are putting the energy in, that doesn't necessarily
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  mean they're getting energy back. Like, they're
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  not getting that transference. Theoretically.
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  Theoretically. Who knows how this works? I don't
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  know. I guess. No, but. But I think they could
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  get the energy back. They give, they get back.
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  I don't know. If what I'm stating is when you
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  sign on to this live, you're choosing to contribute
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  your energy to this ongoing experiment where
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  we see how different people's energy and focus
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  and intent can contribute to a haunting. When
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  you put it like that, then I guess they are willing
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  participants and who knows what will happen or
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  what could happen. We've only done a few lives
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  and already we're in this ed space, so. Yeah.
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  Interesting point. Do you think there's a difference
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  between a live investigation and a pre -recorded,
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  like they just watch on YouTube or something
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  in terms of the risk? That's a great question.
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  So are you talking about whether it's live or,
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  like, a pre -recording? Yes. Yep, that's exactly.
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  I don't know. I would say, like, in my brain,
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  what makes the most sense to that statement is
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  live would have had more risk than pre -recorded.
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  Because... i don't know it's just with the the
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  intent and the live and the in the moment like
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  yeah that energy is existing at that time if
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  we're talking about energies and vibes and putting
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  those things out there if you're live that energy
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  is out there if it's pre -recorded watching it
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  on a random tuesday unless they create the energy
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  While watching it, they have their own energy
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  that might spike something up. That's possible,
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  but I don't know. That's a hard question because...
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  Yeah. I think back to... There's a lot of ghost
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  shows out there that always have that pre -recording
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  out on their screen beforehand being like, we're
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  not... responsible for anything happening to
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  you or blah blah i don't know i don't know the
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  exact words i mean i first thing i think of is
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  zach bacon's demon house he put that whole yes
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  dramatic thing out there he said this film was
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  cursed before it even came out he bulldozed the
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  location and then still people were like sending
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  him videos of them watching it and claiming stuff
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  happened have you ever watched anything like
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  a movie or a youtube video or even when you watch
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  demon house did anything happen to you has that
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  ever happened no never no no not really no no
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  um not that i know of at least so yeah do you
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  think we need to i mean We joked at the beginning,
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  but, you know, do you think moving forward when
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  we make films and stuff, should we put a disclaimer
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  at the beginning? So, that's my thing, too, is,
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  like, specifically when it comes to ghost hunting
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  stuff, I'm like, meh. When it comes to, like,
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  if you're putting a ritual into a movie or a
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  show, and you're... there's some sort of incantation
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  that goes with that. If you're saying that whole
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  thing out loud in the film, like, I don't, I
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  don't know, like, in my brain, I'm like, that's
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  not gonna, like, do anything. But, could it?
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  It's all to do with intent. If someone hears
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  that and they think, like, That's a real incantation.
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  There's something that's going to pop up in my
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  house now. Who's to say it won't? Because like
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  we've talked about in the past, everything is
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  about intent. And if you hear those words and
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  you're like, this is a real ritual and something's
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  going to happen, who's to say it's not going
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  to? Even without the other parts to the said
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  ritual or incantation. You make a very good point,
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  Brianna. But that goes back to what I said at
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  the beginning. That there's going to be a risk
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  no matter what, because that's entirely on the
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  person receiving it, not what actual content
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  of the video. That's the psychological. I just,
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  that part of it is what throws me. Because I'm
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  like, I, because in any circumstance, like hearing
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  some sort of incantation or something invoking
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  in a ritual, I know what it is. I know what it's
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  trying to do. and most people who watch something
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  are like like people will be like oh we're gonna
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  recite this for this so they're automatically
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  in that pretext of oh they're trying to do this
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  certain thing and like say some summon something
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  and it's like i don't know it's it's just one
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  of those i hear you it's a turn off but also
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  in my brain i'm like it doesn't make sense why
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  but also i still don't like it my big thing is
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  i guess you make total sense total sense but
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  my thing is what's like when when do you stop
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  like how how far do you need to keep pushing
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  like what at what point is it just you need to
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  censor everything because yeah we call back to
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  our whistling episode never whistle in the woods
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  at night well what if i record someone whistling
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  in the woods at night and we thought that was
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  summoning something and that we would never do
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  that should i censor the whistle if it's in a
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  film is there then and what's the difference
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  really i mean this is getting i'm not asking
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  it's like rhetorical but like what's the difference
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  incantation and ritual are two separate things
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  at what at what point i mean incantations are
• 24:43
  part of the ritual right yeah do you have to
• 24:45
  censor the whole ritual or just the incantation?
• 24:49
  If you say a one -line incantation, it's just
• 24:53
  something that's just poetic or maybe in Latin
• 24:55
  or something. The equivalent of just saying,
• 24:57
  if there's anyone here, can you show yourself?
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  If I said it in English, anytime I ask a question
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  during EVP, if there's anyone here, can you come
• 25:05
  forward? Do I need to censor that? Because if
• 25:09
  you're playing that in a house, what if a ghost
• 25:12
  in a house hears... someone through the TV say,
• 25:14
  if you're here, can you show yourself? And then
• 25:16
  they're like, oh. And I totally agree with that.
• 25:19
  I just don't know what that cutoff is. I don't
• 25:22
  know either. Here's the thing. This is what I
• 25:24
  think. If you're someone who is watching a ghost
• 25:30
  thing, they should automatically have some pre
• 25:33
  -awareness that what may or may not happen when
• 25:38
  you're like, if you're watching like uh like
• 25:41
  a ghost show or whatever you should be aware
• 25:44
  there people are gonna say hey are you here and
• 25:48
  there's gonna be people trying to get ghostly
• 25:51
  activity and paranormal activity and they should
• 25:53
  be aware of that and if they don't want that
• 25:56
  whatsoever they don't need to watch it that should
• 25:58
  be common sense though i i solved it i solved
• 26:02
  it i figured it out there ratings when you go
• 26:06
  see films gpg pg -13r there should be the same
• 26:09
  for and it says in the corner like when you watch
• 26:12
  on streaming contains uh substance use you know
• 26:15
  strong language there should be a rating for
• 26:19
  ghost shows specifically no all good not just
• 26:23
  summoning all ghost shows and they say like g
• 26:25
  contains evp questions pg contains uh provoking
• 26:32
  Negative spirits. PG -13. Contains incantations.
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  Rated R. What's an R? Contains a complete...
• 26:43
  A full ritual. And then an X rating is like a
• 26:49
  sex ritual or something like that. What? When
• 26:57
  have you ever filmed one of those? No, I'm just
• 27:02
  saying because like - Wait, wait, what if you
• 27:03
  ever watched one of those? I never have. Never
• 27:07
  have. I'm just saying like - Why would that be
• 27:09
  on YouTube? Oh. Why would an uncensored sex ritual
• 27:13
  be on YouTube? Hey, I'm not saying for YouTube.
• 27:16
  I'm talking about like regular films or whatever.
• 27:19
  Anyways. Um. Huh? Listen. I'm talking about the
• 27:28
  stuff that's like on streaming services or something.
• 27:31
  You can put anything on those. Next on Paraflix.
• 27:36
  Don't bring Paraflix into your sex rituals. They
• 27:41
  have never. Patty Negri would never allow such
• 27:44
  a mockery of our good, good streaming. You never
• 27:50
  know. Maybe they're all for it. They just never
• 27:53
  had anyone offer that opportunity. I dare you
• 27:59
  to pitch Patti Negri on your sex ritual. I'm
• 28:01
  not. I'm honestly totally just joking, okay?
• 28:05
  Oh, gosh. Wait, she is psychic. I just got an
• 28:11
  email from Patti Negri asking if Angela's ever
• 28:14
  done sex magic. Okay, we're moving on. This has
• 28:17
  gone too far. Yeah, thanks, Angela. I'm so sorry
• 28:21
  I started this. I'm just saying, we were talking
• 28:23
  about ratings. We're going through all the ratings,
• 28:26
  okay? x is what higher than r so i was going
• 28:29
  to mention what what would that include okay
• 28:38
  so what were you saying i don't even remember
• 28:44
  um because you were talking about where's the
• 28:47
  line that like where's that line of censoring
• 28:53
  versus not censoring and i i don't know I know
• 28:57
  one of the things that pops up in my brain is
• 29:00
  where I have seen this sort of thing in media.
• 29:03
  It's like an old Ghost Adventures episode where
• 29:10
  they were in a haunted house attraction. And
• 29:16
  people had been breaking in and doing actual
• 29:19
  rituals there. And one of the workers had found
• 29:22
  a book with incantations in it. And he was reading
• 29:28
  them off. And he was reading them off for like
• 29:32
  part of the spook house. And then they're like,
• 29:35
  okay, well, maybe that's part of the reason why
• 29:37
  you guys are getting hauntings here. Because
• 29:41
  this guy is reading these random incantations.
• 29:44
  So they had him read them during their investigation.
• 29:46
  They're like, we're going to censor this because
• 29:50
  we don't know what any of this means or what
• 29:52
  he's going to say. But isn't that the bigger
• 29:55
  problem, that they don't know what it means?
• 29:58
  And that is the biggest problem. But, like, if
• 30:01
  you know, so, again, what's the line? If you
• 30:03
  are reading just a random thing and you don't
• 30:05
  know what it means, why are you putting that
• 30:07
  in your episode, in your video? Yeah, absolutely.
• 30:10
  But if you know, if you know that all that you're
• 30:13
  reading, I'm just going to wager, let's say that
• 30:16
  incantation was this Latin translation for, is
• 30:20
  there any ghosts here right now? Mm -hmm. Do
• 30:23
  you need to censor that? How is that any different
• 30:25
  than just saying it in English? You know what
• 30:27
  I mean? Yeah, and I totally agree in that sort
• 30:30
  of circumstance. But if there's anything beyond
• 30:35
  that, I guess it's a case -by -case basis. But
• 30:40
  I don't think there can be a hard line because
• 30:43
  it's always wavering depending on what's said.
• 30:47
  My opinion still is that if you're... purposely
• 30:53
  watching like a ghost thing you should be aware
• 30:56
  of the type of stuff that may be discussed in
• 30:59
  the video or podcast but people aren't too it
• 31:03
  can't all fall on the viewer especially on streaming
• 31:09
  or something where anyone can it's not like I
• 31:13
  can buy that for like a TikTok live or something
• 31:16
  if you're already following an account like there's
• 31:19
  some level unexpected like you follow us like
• 31:23
  you know what we do but but you also get those
• 31:27
  thousands of people who have never come across
• 31:29
  your page before it's like you can't expect them
• 31:32
  to know the majority of the people that pop on
• 31:34
  don't we do we do also put a pop -up when you
• 31:40
  join that says exactly what we're gonna do exactly
• 31:42
  kind of the same of like to angela's point too
• 31:45
  some youtube videos have like the clickbaity
• 31:47
  title you know demon con on camera they have
• 31:51
  the thumbnails like if you click on that like
• 31:53
  that's all on you you know what you're getting
• 31:55
  in for but if you're just on streaming you know
• 31:58
  you don't know it's yeah that's there's pros
• 32:01
  and cons to expanding your audience it was interesting
• 32:05
  because like i just just because of i wanted
• 32:09
  to know if there's any information out there
• 32:11
  on the internet before doing the podcast today
• 32:13
  i just quickly googled like oh can ghosts come
• 32:16
  through your tv or something like that something
• 32:19
  along those lines and the first answer that i
• 32:23
  got from like that google ai overview was like
• 32:28
  Gotta love Google AI overview. Oh yeah, gotta
• 32:30
  love it. Anyways, first answer that popped up
• 32:34
  was like, short answer is yes, because demons
• 32:38
  or demonic entities can manipulate electronic
• 32:43
  devices. Who's saying that, though? And it's
• 32:46
  like, huh? And then you go in further into it,
• 32:51
  or word the question slightly differently, and
• 32:54
  it's like, no! And it's like, okay. So what is...
• 32:58
  So what... Huh? Okay. I don't know. Even if that
• 33:04
  were true, let's just say, if that were true,
• 33:06
  just suspending disbelief, if it is a demon,
• 33:10
  and if it can manipulate the screen, the technology,
• 33:15
  whatever, to then interact with both sides of
• 33:18
  the screen, that only applies to live stuff.
• 33:23
  Most of the stuff, when we put out a film...
• 33:25
  Even if it has a full ritual, that was done a
• 33:29
  year or two ago. Isolated. Closed. There's been
• 33:34
  tons of other rituals that we have filmed, just
• 33:38
  not released since then. Why would that demon
• 33:41
  actively be in the metadata of a film? Does it
• 33:46
  contain the demon files? Does a part of the entity
• 33:50
  that you capture on film then get... processed
• 33:52
  into the metadata like how is that in something
• 33:55
  pre -recorded still gonna have a demon actively
• 33:59
  you know what i mean what yeah because there's
• 34:03
  no so a million people can watch this at any
• 34:06
  given point on youtube now and all million people
• 34:09
  even if they're watching the same time that same
• 34:11
  demon can then just be a year later just like
• 34:15
  oh got notification on my smart watch There's
• 34:19
  a million people watching that video I shot a
• 34:21
  year ago. I don't get it. So thinking about all
• 34:25
  of this topic with TV and broadcasting and all
• 34:28
  these other things, in my brain, it just keeps
• 34:31
  bringing up the old, well, everyone knows the
• 34:35
  movie, The Poltergeist, and everything dealing
• 34:38
  with the static and the TV screen and all that
• 34:41
  jazz. It's like... It's all I can think of right
• 34:44
  now is like the ghosts coming through the static
• 34:47
  on the TV. You know what this reminds me of?
• 34:51
  That episode in Gravity Falls where Suze is dating
• 34:55
  that like computer game girl. Oh, yeah. yeah
• 35:02
  but also even even with that it's like you're
• 35:06
  using we use a spirit box which is literally
• 35:10
  radio waves which yeah is different from your
• 35:13
  mobile device or tv or a movie but you're using
• 35:18
  a radio frequency of sometimes like sweeping
• 35:23
  over live fm broadcasts like This is exactly
• 35:29
  this is why I said at the top I don't care because
• 35:33
  this is the same exact instance What this this
• 35:35
  topic is like a rare topic where once you bring
• 35:39
  up one point? Then you have to explain for a
• 35:41
  million others You know and it's just like you
• 35:43
  you you open one door and a million others open
• 35:46
  up It's just like at what point do you just say
• 35:49
  it doesn't matter? When does it just not matter?
• 35:53
  Because at that point, don't do any of it because
• 35:55
  everything is going to affect everyone on planet
• 35:58
  Earth. Because it's like, if you're sweeping
• 36:02
  over your radio frequencies with your spirit
• 36:05
  box and you have a voice come through as the
• 36:08
  FM channel or whatever that's currently broadcasting
• 36:13
  going to also have some sort of ghost interaction?
• 36:16
  No. Have you ever heard of that happening? And
• 36:21
  everyone listening to the radio. You'd hear it.
• 36:24
  Here's an important question. Well, it's not
• 36:26
  really important because we were talking about
• 36:28
  radios. And I was wondering, do you think we
• 36:30
  could make our car radio into a spirit box? And
• 36:34
  then while we're driving, we can see who comes
• 36:37
  through and talks. Or we could put Jax in our
• 36:42
  car with our spirit box radio. And Jax can lead
• 36:47
  us where he wants us to go. I feel like all of
• 36:51
  that sounds like a terrible idea. I think it
• 36:54
  sounds fun. Listen, whether you're talking about,
• 36:58
  man, that's some distracted driving right there.
• 37:01
  Terrible idea. If you're talking about why is
• 37:03
  Jock's, Jesus take the wheel. Jock's, no. Never.
• 37:08
  No, no, no. Jock's not taking the wheel. He's
• 37:10
  just telling us to turn left or right. I think
• 37:12
  that'd be really fun. make her car into a spirit
• 37:15
  box but here's the thing too is like we we do
• 37:19
  know that depending on where you are you can
• 37:23
  get a lot of interference with the spirit box
• 37:26
  that's true and with driving and she's she's
• 37:29
  basically saying that either the driver or passenger
• 37:33
  would have to shuffle through the stations on
• 37:34
  the car radio very fast with their wrist So either
• 37:39
  I'm doing that while driving or the passenger
• 37:42
  is and it's really annoying. No, no, no. Literally
• 37:45
  just make it into a spirit box. Make it into
• 37:47
  a spirit box. Not like actually leave it a radio.
• 37:49
  Replace the radio into a spirit box itself. Oh.
• 37:53
  I don't know how you'd be able to do that. I
• 37:54
  thought she meant like manually. No. No, no.
• 37:57
  Oh. Well, you can just do the Bluetooth then.
• 37:59
  Just connect to the Bluetooth. At this point,
• 38:00
  yeah, exactly. I didn't think this through. At
• 38:03
  this point, we could just bring our actual spirit
• 38:05
  box and connect it to the car. Shit. Which, what
• 38:08
  would be the point of that? I don't know. For
• 38:11
  funsies? Imagine just driving on the back roads
• 38:14
  of Michigan at night, listening to the spirit
• 38:16
  box while driving, and all of a sudden a voice
• 38:19
  comes through and you guys shriek, and I'm like,
• 38:21
  what? And I slam on my brakes. And then Jax goes
• 38:26
  flying. No, this is a terrible idea. I'm sorry,
• 38:35
  Angela. I feel like we're so harsh on you this
• 38:37
  episode. Yeah, we are being a little mean. We
• 38:41
  won't film a sex ritual for you. We won't listen
• 38:44
  to the spirit box on road trips for you. Well,
• 38:46
  I never asked anyone to film a sex ritual, okay?
• 38:50
  I'm just saying that would be a rated X ghost
• 38:53
  show. What? You can't have that. blink look bed
• 39:04
  and not have anything to say you know what i'm
• 39:07
  saying is like a good point i'm sorry i i claim
• 39:14
  no negative energy to be continued oh my god
• 39:25
  didn't expect that so soon did you That was a
• 39:28
  good transition. This episode actually will be
• 39:31
  continued. This is an intentional two -parter.
• 39:34
  So, everyone, we're going to cut to the outro.
• 39:36
  See you next Thursday for part two. Oh, I thought
• 39:38
  we already would have. Angela, we're about to.
• 39:44
  We're about to. I'm already leaning back and
• 39:47
  on my phone. Like, everything's already done.
• 39:50
  My gosh. It was going to just cut to me filling
• 39:54
  the whole screen. Now you interjected your leisure
• 39:56
  into the episode again. You done? Yeah, I'm done.
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