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#55: Awakening With Ayahuasca: From a Single Journey to a Lifetime of Healing — Maxi Cohen · Love Conquers Fear

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The most basic things that happens when you take these
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medicines is that you are filled with enormous love, enormous
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gratitude, credible humility. Your worldview just opens and
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opens and opens and opens. People ask like what is higher
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consciousness? To be able to even see the
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unseen world, the loosening of limitations and boundaries of
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what's possible. If more people had the
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opportunity to do that, that we lived in a world where love
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conquered fear, where love was the marquee.
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Love is the answer. And if love is the answer, we
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wouldn't have war. We wouldn't have all this
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negativity of everybody just got that.
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Welcome back everybody to the Love Conquers Fear podcast.
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I'm working my way through another book right now, pretty
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much at the beginning of it. It's called Autobiography of a
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Yogi. This is one that was recommended
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to me by Brian Rescue, the author of The Immortality Key.
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He was the first person that showed me this book at his home
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in DC. And if you missed him, he was on
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episode 48. The Immortality Key is an
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amazing book. And that was the first time
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actually that Brian Rescue told his near death experience story,
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which actually led to his calling.
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So make sure to to tune into that.
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And if you want to follow along with this book, it's it's pretty
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amazing. I mean, it's really a
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transcendent piece of work. I've always had a huge, huge
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interest in Indian culture. I think in a past life I was
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Indian. And as you know from watching
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this podcast, my original awakening on the Soul Quest
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actually happened in Kerala, India.
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And I'm Jewish and recording this when Passover is about to
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start tonight. And it was in Kerala, where the
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oldest synagogue exist in India. It's been operating there for
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many hundreds of years. And the Jewish community in the
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Indian community, we're very bonded and are very bonded.
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And the Soul Quest began with reading Proof of Heaven by Evan
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Alexander and then the Map of Heaven and those books.
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Now, if you've been following the podcast, you know that Evan
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Alexander was in episode 46 and wow, it was amazing to flow with
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him and then be on stage with him.
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And also the documentary Inner Worlds and Outer Worlds, which
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is incredible. I'll put links in the show notes
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to both. You know, just as a reminder on
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the podcast, every episode has really well documented show
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notes where you can jump to any part that you would like.
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And very honored to have Sol Rashidi in town.
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That was the last episode that was a 2 parter.
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I hope you really enjoyed that. She's the world's first chief AI
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officer. She's super rooted spiritually.
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Just an amazing soul. Maybe pun intended.
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I love that her name Sol. It's really in honor of the sun.
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And as you know from watching the podcast, my book Love
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Conquers Fear, Humanity, AI and Nature Abundance for All is
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coming out on June 23rd in honor of the solstice.
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So make sure to tune into the episodes with Sol Rashidi if you
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miss, miss those. And let's get going today.
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I'm really honored that Gabby Polar has introduced me yet to
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another one of her friends and she's done amazing work, so
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welcome Maxi Cohen. It's good to be here with you.
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I'm. So grateful to be here.
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Yeah, and be grateful. And how cool that we get to
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record this right before the Seder.
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So your, your background, you know, I've, I've read quite a
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bit about you at this point and, and it's really beautiful the
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documentaries you've made. But maybe we just start with you
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when you were young. And why do you think you're
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doing what you're doing today? Maybe just let's unpack what
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you're doing today and why. Why do you think this is your
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your soul calling? Well, when I was very young, I
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grew up in a home where I had a mother who escaped the
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Holocaust. My grandparents came in 1941.
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They left Germany. They couldn't believe what was
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going on. It took them a long time to
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leave. My grandfather was a big
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industrialist. I owned the largest cigarette
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paper factory in Germany. Actually, recently somebody said
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to me, oh, yeah. I told them the story about what
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it was and they said, oh, that's the biggest cigarette paper
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factory in Germany now, good for you.
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And I said, well, not exactly. The Nazis took it.
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But my mother went to Catholic school.
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She did the rosary because it was the superior education.
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So I grew up without any idea of God or faith.
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If you couldn't touch it, it didn't exist.
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So that and, and, but we would go to synagogue.
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We were observant and I was totally bored by these prayers,
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but I kept thinking, they're over 5000 years old.
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They must mean something to someone.
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And my father's side of the family, they came from the
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Ukraine. They left the pogroms.
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And my grandfather was a very spiritual man.
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He was the gap eye of the synagogue.
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So he took care of the synagogue, this small little
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Orthodox synagogue, and he was a very gentleman.
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And I thought he, what is it that he gets that I don't get?
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What, what is this? So from a very early age, I
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sought trying to understand or trying to have this relationship
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with the divine that I, I actually was obsessed with
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evangelical television because I would watch people in
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wheelchairs, you know, praying to Jesus and, and God and then
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getting up and, and walking. And I thought, how extraordinary
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is that, you know, at this concept of having faith, the
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idea that there's something that's larger than you, that's
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can be supportive of you. And I wondered what that what
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that was. And even being Jewish and being
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part of what is called the chosen people, I thought, well,
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how did I get left out? You know, I didn't feel any of
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that, right? And that's what I saw.
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Connecting that to what you're doing now, like when was your
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first experience with the divine?
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Like how it how did you awaken and and start to have a
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communion? Well, I have to say that for I
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tried, I did many, many things in this exploration, in this.
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And in 1989, I, somebody invited me to drink ayahuasca and that
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actually it was through the Santo Daimi, which is the legal
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Brazilian church. It wasn't legal at the time
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here. I didn't know what I was getting
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into. She just said wear white, wear a
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skirt, wear cover your shoulders, right?
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And I went to this ceremony that actually looked like Passover to
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me because there was a long table and covered in white
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tablecloth and men were sitting on one side, women on the other
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hand. And they said, oh, we're going
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to drink 4 glasses of this over the course of the evening and to
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sing songs that are about our oral history and sort of high
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conclusive consciousness. And I thought, OK, that looks
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like Passover. That looks.
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Good. I can you know it was not.
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Right, it's very different than Passover.
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And but, but I had an 8 really deep, visceral, palpable
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experience of the divine. It was the mystery of I never
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experienced anything like it. And that was the end of seeking
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that. That was and and that was the
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beginning. Well, first of all, I'm a
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filmmaker. So, you know, I make films about
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things that are curious to me. I I make film and art that sort
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of creates me as I create it, but I know that it has to have
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value to a much larger, you know, and has it.
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I have always felt that in some way I get to do this for
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everybody. So it was so mysterious to me.
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I decided that I had to make a film about it to understand it.
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Yeah, yeah. I mean, once you see beyond the
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veil, you know, which has also happened to me in my I, I had
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some pretty transcendent experiences with prayer, like
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usually in nature growing up where I could feel the presence
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of God. And I knew that that was real.
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But a psychedelic catalyst for me was the ultimate communion.
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And once you experience that, it changes your life forever
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because now you know that our actual reality is rooted in
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light and love. And we're actually seeing
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through quantum physics, you know, that it is the case that
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we're all connected. And you know, I gave you my, my
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science fiction novella today, the lattice.
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And the lattice is about the interconnectedness of of us and
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our souls and all things. And being one, we just had to
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get to the point in the lattice to scientifically prove that
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that's our reality because of the rise of the rational mind
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and the, you know, quote UN quote, worship of science.
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Like you were saying the way you were raised.
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Yeah, can't see it. It's not true.
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And, you know, I just I actually just finished this book called
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Believing a Scene by Michael Jalen.
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But he was raised, you know, deeply rooted in science and he
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had a spiritual awakening. And he goes through in his book,
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Believe in a scene through physics, through mathematics,
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and talks about all the acts of faith that are present in those
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as well. And it's not to discredit
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science at all. He's like, I love science.
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I'll always be a science guy. But it's to show that there's so
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many things that we just take as assumptions that that our
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postulates that we don't actually know the, you know,
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there is no absolute truth in some of these postulates.
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Or if there is, we don't know what it is.
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And everybody that is deeply rooted in science has to grapple
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with the miracle of The Big Bang.
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And it's kind of like, Hey, Maxie, if you grant me this,
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this miracle, then I'll explain everything else to you.
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And it just doesn't work that way.
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There are a lot of things in science that that really are
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acts of faith as well. So you, you have this incredible
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awakening and what I, I, I haven't done ayahuasca.
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I've had other psychedelics. I'm just curious if you can
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explain what that was like. What what did, what did you see?
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What did you experience? I mean.
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Well, so I have done ayahuasca many, many, many, many times
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over the last 37 years. And each time it's a different
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experience. And I have to say it has changed
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me physically, spiritually, emotionally, psychologically.
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I'm not the same person I was in my 20s.
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You know, it's you do this, you go in within it, in, in an
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intention and you usually come out with exactly what you
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intended. And if not, you come out with
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what you what, what you really need.
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So I, I mean, I would have the experiences are vast.
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So I could have an experience where I said, oh, you know,
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please, please get rid of myself.
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Doubt. And I remember seeing like these
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strands of DNA just lift off my head that just come right.
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And I for years after that, I never experienced self doubt.
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And then I, I, my mother always felt guilty for being alive.
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And I sort of carried that like an albatross around my neck.
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And so I asked ayahuasca and deep ceremony like, how do I get
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rid of this guilt? How do I get rid of when I'm And
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I just felt all this scaffolding just lift off of me and it was
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like in Broadway, Broadway neon guilt.
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And it just flickered out. Like the lights flickered out.
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I mean the. Lights just turned off.
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But I've had very deep physical healing.
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I mean, I got hit by a car in my 30s on a bicycle when I hit and
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run and ended up in a hospital in a coma with a brain
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concussion and a dislocated shoulder.
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And for years my head just felt like a Picasso head, like a
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cubist. All this different energy.
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I just didn't feel like I had one head and one night in a Hut
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with a Brazilian shaman, this woman gave me a big glass of
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ayahuasca usually get like this much.
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This was like this much and. She gave you the 711 Big Gulp
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size. Right.
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And about two hours into it, I, you know, I, I said, no, I don't
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see anything. I don't feel anything.
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She almost slapped me. She saw what was going on with
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my head. I that I didn't even know.
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And she left about 3:00 in the morning and left me alone in
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this Hut. And then all the ayahuasca came
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on and just started downloading to me.
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But the next day I had one head and I've had one head ever
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since. And she said to me, which was
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really humbling, that the ayahuasca wasn't there to teach
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you anything or give you any visions.
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It was there to heal your head and it did.
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So I, I think that what happens with ayahuasca is that you're
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neuroses, you know, I just had this sort of middle class
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neuroses, very indecisive. What if I do this?
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What if I do that? Is this right?
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Is this not, this was my 20s And it just burns all that off.
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I mean, it teaches you deeply. You get to see yourself and it
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teaches you deeply. I said, and many people have
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said that one session, one ceremony is more valuable than
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10 years of therapy. You know, the first time I ever
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did it, in 1989, I was in therapy.
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I went to the therapist. I said I told him what happened
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because it was very hard for me to kind of integrate what
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happened. And he said, well, don't do that
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ever again. And then I stopped doing therapy
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because one of the reasons that I made that first film and then
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I'm making these other films about ayahuasca is to educate
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therapists. Because we do have people do
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have experiences that are hard to integrate.
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And if they're not integrated, they're of no value.
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I mean, no, you know, people say, how do you know if doing
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ayahuasca is good for you? You know, if you see your life
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change, you know, if you're showing up differently in the
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world. And, and I think it's, it's very
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important to educate therapists because more and more people are
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doing psychedelics, are doing plant medicine, and they need
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people who and who can help help them integrate.
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The psychiatrist in the film that I'm doing now, he said he
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was so straight that if you said you were doing yoga, he would
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roll his eyes. And but he wasn't really
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satisfied in psychiatry. You know, he wasn't, he kept
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feeling like he was putting on band aids like it, he was not
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that happy. And somebody had suggested he do
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ayahuasca, and he said that before, if he had a patient who
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told him something, he would think of it as psychotic.
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And after his own experiences, he realized that often it's a
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gift, and that he felt, as many psychiatrists have said to me
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and psychologists, that it's the fastest way.
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I don't have as much experience with other things, but they felt
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it was like the fastest way to deal with the mind.
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Yeah, I agree with that. And you know, one thing I want
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to just double down on that you said is the importance of
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integration. I whenever I've done a journey,
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I go in with deeply sacred intentions.
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I know it's a deeply sacred space to be absolutely respected
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and I don't do it at parties, For example, I will usually just
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leave a party if people are doing it, but I don't touch it
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even if I stay. But I usually, I usually leave,
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which maybe isn't the best social thing to do, but but I do
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it because I feel like this is such a sacred thing to do.
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And then I spend a lot of time afterwards with an integration
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coach. He's really rooted in helping
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you process the insights you got because you get these incredibly
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divine insights, you know, from your soul, from other souls,
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from God. And it's, it's really completely
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transcendent. And I've seen, you know, massive
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transformation in friends. I mean, I had one friend who was
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having all types of panic attacks completely healed in one
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journey. Never had to take the the
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medicine again in terms of the the anti, you know, panic attack
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medicine and, you know, saw exactly what the source of the
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trauma was that led to to that. But you know, spend a lot of
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time afterwards and integration. So I think, I think it's just an
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important thing to say because one of the cautions that I see
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in what's happening with the rise of psychedelics, which I,
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I'm a big believer, I think you would agree with this, that
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we're in the midst of a consciousness awakening.
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And I think that's happening because the divine is trying to
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wake us up to unify, you know, not extinct ourselves, etcetera.
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We'll get into that with, with AI and, you know, it's really
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important that people treat this with, with incredible reverence.
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I mean, it's, it, it is, is, it's the most sacred thing I
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think you can, you can actually do.
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And that's why these plants exist for divine communion.
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And they've been used for thousands of years for that.
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You know, there's so much indigenous wisdom that we need
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to rediscover as humanity in the rise of science and the rise of
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the rational mind was quite literally demonized.
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I mean, that's what, that's what, that's what the mortality
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key is about that Brian Rescue wrote.
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Well, the so I'm now making the third film at Ayahuasca.
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Called The Ayahuasca Diaries. Ayahuasca Diaries, the first
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film I made was when they were actually arrests in Europe and
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in the US for people who were doing the Santo facilitating
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Santo Diami ceremonies or, or UDB.
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These, this, they were doing ceremonies the same way these
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legal churches in Brazil. We're doing ceremonies in all
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over Europe and in the US And I felt because when I first drank
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ayahuasca, people in my world in New York had never, it had, I
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think it took 15 years for somebody to know what I, I, to
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hear the word ayahuasca. So I thought Simon's was our
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best protection, but better to make a film in case it was
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necessary to show the government and to show your family, you
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know, why you're doing this. So I made this film which is
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shows the value of what was, I mean, incredible stories,
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amazing stories of healings that came out of Brazil and about the
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expansion of legalization internationally.
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And then from shock to awe. The reason that I jumped on
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board, I just executive produced that film.
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It was directed by Lucote, yes, and and and produced by Janine
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Segart. But the reason that I came on
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board to kind of help that film was I thought, what's more
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patriotic than healing our veterans?
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And so and, and that brings everybody together.
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So we took that film to Congress.
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It was the first film, first time I heard that a briefing was
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about something that was mind altering, that was positive.
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That was a 2018 film. That was in 2018, that was in
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2018. Now I, and when I started
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Ayahuasca Diaries, I, I did it because I felt now that
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ayahuasca is known in 70 countries and it's use, the way
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it's being used is, is morphing around the world in some in very
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positive ways. I mean, when you bring
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Palestinians and Israelis together who've been killing
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each other and they're finding reconciliation by drinking
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ayahuasca together, it's a, it's, you know, different than a
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pseudo shaman in Brooklyn who doesn't know what he's doing,
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right? The, as it's morphing, I thought
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it was really important to make this film with indigenous
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leaders from Peru, Brazil, Ecuador and Colombia so that we
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understood, we could understand how ayahuasca has been used for
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centuries by the original people who gifted it to us, that it
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brings greater reverence, how sacred it is.
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And in that way, people also keeps people safe.
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And I made it because I thought it was really important again,
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to educate therapists, to have something you can show your
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family to it to help policy change policy.
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And I started out to make this film to show how ayahuasca can
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be healing and transformative for the individual, but also how
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from that, how it can change world culture.
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Because as we heal ourselves, we start to think about how we can
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heal the world. And so in working with these
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indigenous leaders, I learned really how ayahuasca is playing
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a huge role in the frontline defense of the Amazon.
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And so to heal people and this planet, you know, we need the
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Amazon, We need the wisdom, and we need.
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The resources too. Yeah, exactly.
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Yeah, the people and the amazing.
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I mean, you know, it, it seems like it was yesterday where,
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where our oldest daughter Rachel is like, Dad, are you seeing
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what's happening? You know, the Amazon is burning
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down and you know, it's it's it's called like the lungs of
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the Earth, I think is one of the references of it.
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And, you know, we have we definitely have a lot of healing
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to do. And one of the things that I
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love about From Shock to Awe is that it has this beautiful
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synchronicity in this initiative that we're involved in The
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Americans for I Began initiative, which is about
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healing vets. You know, there have been four
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times as many deaths to suicide for vets since the Iraq and
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Afghanistan war. Then there was from combat since
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that period of time. And, you know, From Shock to All
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was the original documentary about the healing for these
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bets. And Brian Hubbard was on this
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podcast on episode 53. He's he's very patriotic.
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And, you know, cares cares a lot about the bets.
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Of course, we we all do. But his original calling for
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that was on the opioid crisis and just how much that's
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ravaged, you know, small, small towns, you know, middle America
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through this kind of addictive, you know, pharmaceutical
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complex, which which, you know, we we all know what happened
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with the Sacklers and everything else.
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And now it's pretty, pretty well known.
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There's been lots of documentaries made on that and
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movies made about that. But that was his original
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calling because he got to see that up close and personal as a
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lawyer in Kentucky seeing the result of this, you know, over a
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decade. And he's like, there has to be
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another way. And it was a woman who had a
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pretty traumatic journey in terms of her life path, you
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know, was was a chronic addict on heroin, opioids, etcetera,
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who found her healing through 1 dose of Ibogan just completely
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changed her life. And there's a course, a
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documentary called In Waves and War, which is kind of, which is
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kind of like an, another version of, you know, from shock to awe,
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but really focused on, on ibogaine and the healing that
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that's good from that. And so I, I just think this is
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really great. You know, like people that
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really have this huge amount of suffering, whether they're
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Alcoholics or they're opioidy Dicks, whether they're a veteran
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that's suicidal, that you know, whether it's ayahuasca or
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whether it's ibogaine, that there that there are these tools
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that are transcendent to allow them to heal.
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I think I, I do think the statistics on ibogaine for
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addiction are that it has greater efficacy than ayahuasca.
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But I will say that in the in, in Ayahuasca Diaries, there's a
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man who, who was addicted to heroin, I mean, ended up on the
27:41
driving his car one night into a river, you know, waking up and
27:45
thinking, Oh my God, I better do something.
27:48
And he did ayahuasca, couple of ayahuasca ceremonies.
27:51
And that was said he never touched heroin again.
27:54
And I know that's true for some crack addicts.
27:58
And so I, I mean, it's extraordinary to see and to know
28:03
and to understand what we never thought was humanly possible is
28:08
possible. And one of the reasons that I
28:11
make these films is even if you never drink ayahuasca, my hope
28:17
is that you're inspired to see that change is possible because
28:23
so many people who are suffering, whether it's
28:28
depression or something much, much, much worse, really stuck
28:33
in trauma, don't believe that it's possible to get out of
28:38
that. And, and, and, and, and the more
28:40
that you're in that negative vortex, you know, the more you
28:43
kind of get flushed down the toilet, you know, and it's
28:47
harder to come out. And so one of the things that's
28:50
extraordinary about ayahuasca, about ibogaine is that in one
28:55
session, it can lift you out of the out of that darkness, out of
29:01
that suffering, out of that trauma.
29:03
And that's to me, it's extraordinary.
29:05
Listen, I was just a middle class neurotic kid who didn't
29:10
have the confidence, didn't have the voice to pursue what was in
29:14
my heart, even though I knew from a very, very young age that
29:19
I was, that my role in life was to broadcast the truth, was to
29:25
make films that were going to shift consciousness, that were
29:29
catalytic to people's emotions. But at my core, I was not
29:35
necessarily a happy person. And, and I remember seeing a
29:39
therapist in college, she said, like you're, you're like
29:42
somebody who just locks yourself up in a prison and throws away
29:45
the key. And I thought, that's terrible.
29:49
Like I'm not going to be, if I think when I'm, you know, 20
29:53
years old or younger than that, that this is what my life is
29:57
going to be that I, that's not me.
30:01
I'm getting out of here. I have to change this mind.
30:04
I have to change. And we're so lucky that we now
30:09
see what's available. And so whatever, whatever path
30:15
people choose to come into a calm, confident, loving, Co
30:23
creative, healed life, whatever they choose, I, I think what's
30:28
important is to see all this, to know that it's humanly possible.
30:31
Right. Yeah.
30:32
And I've had, I've had friends that have come into that state
30:36
through meditation. And certainly since being on
30:43
this journey, my meditations have gotten much, much better
30:48
just because I'm much more in tune with my soul.
30:52
I've seen friends, I've not had 12 friends tell me about their
30:57
near death experience, which was completely transcendent in their
31:01
life. And they were afraid to tell
31:06
people because I guess when they did, when it first happened,
31:12
they were written off as kind of we were crazy, you know, similar
31:16
to, you know, your psychiatrist friend who was like, I just
31:20
thought people were having a psychotic break, right?
31:24
And it was the most transcendent experience of their life.
31:28
And they, before 2025, zero of them told me about that
31:34
experience. Some of them had been friends
31:36
for 10 to 20 years. And I don't think I was giving
31:39
off the energy of, like, not being open to that.
31:42
But I wasn't giving off the energy of being open to that.
31:46
Meaning that wasn't like I was a jerk or anything like that.
31:51
It's just that I wasn't communicating any of my beliefs
31:57
in these in, in these types of possibilities.
32:00
And, and, you know, now I just take it as a as a reality
32:03
because I've, I've seen so much synchronicity with people that
32:07
are really close friends. Tell me about their their
32:10
experiences in terms of the commonality between them and.
32:15
And it's our culture. It's our culture.
32:18
I remember I haven't my niece when she was 7 or 8, she's
32:22
reading all these all these books about Wizards and, you
32:27
know, with these other realms. And I'm out to dinner with her
32:30
and her parents. And I say, you know, they're
32:34
real Wizards in the world that can do amazing things.
32:38
And my brother goes like this. Shut up, Maxi.
32:40
Like, give that I should be this that it would, you know, be a
32:44
horrible influence on his daughter for me to share.
32:48
Share what I've seen in No. No, they are out there for sure.
32:52
There are people that have have next level transcendent, you
32:57
know, capabilities. Hey, I got my head back.
33:01
I couldn't exactly drunk. I mean, I would have incremental
33:05
healing, drinking ayahuasca, but she had the power to bring that,
33:11
bring that down. I mean, there the medicine is
33:15
pure and extraordinary as it is, but who is leading the ceremony?
33:21
And I say who's leading the ceremony because it's not
33:24
something you really do alone or want to do alone.
33:27
Wait, this is these are mysterious worlds that that we
33:34
encounter that that are real, seem real, but navigating them
33:41
and you don't want to do this alone.
33:44
Actually, I'll tell you this is I'm really grateful.
33:47
And this is another reason that I'm making ayahuasca Diaries.
33:51
Look what happened to cocoa leaf.
33:53
It became cocaine, right? Tobacco.
33:56
We have tobacco is so sacred to Native Americans, you know, in
34:01
the US and to the shamans, indigenous communities of the
34:05
Amazon. It's sacred.
34:08
Cigarettes have 500 toxins in them.
34:11
We have corrupted. You know, it's it's the farthest
34:14
to cigarettes are not sacred, right, right.
34:16
That's right. Yeah.
34:17
Iowaska, you do in the ceremony and you do it in ceremony with
34:22
someone who knows, knows what they're doing, knows how to hold
34:30
the space of these mysterious realms.
34:33
And it's extraordinary if you're in a safe container, you know,
34:37
meaning you're where you're the set and setting, where your head
34:42
is at, where you're at, who you're with.
34:44
But it does make a difference if you're doing this with somebody
34:48
who has the power to heal. That has come from years and
34:54
years, like a lifetime of study or whatever transmission,
34:59
working with however that makes a difference.
35:02
Not everybody can heal cancer. You know, I remember when I
35:07
first, first drank ayahuasca, I was told about a professor, very
35:11
atheistic professor at the University of Hawaii who had
35:15
liver cancer and was told he had three months to live.
35:19
He drank ayahuasca. He saw God, became quite
35:23
spiritual, but the thing was, he didn't have his cancer, went
35:26
into remission. He lived for 14 years without
35:28
cancer. Wow.
35:30
So, and I know some extraordinary stories.
35:35
Not that I would advise somebody with cancer to go to ayahuasca.
35:40
And you don't know why somebody gets healed and somebody else
35:43
doesn't, right? That's another mystery.
35:45
Would like to ask you this question with you being a woman,
35:50
if someone has interests, like what are some of the watch outs
35:54
for them? And the reason I asked that is
35:56
that I've heard stories, I've never seen this myself, but I've
36:03
heard stories about women being preyed upon in psychedelic
36:07
journeys. And so I'm, you know, you, you
36:09
mentioned some of those set and setting, but like, how would,
36:13
how would someone make sure that they're in a sacred, you know,
36:18
safe space? I I think 1 should do as much
36:23
research as they can because there have been there have been
36:27
people who have facilitated ceremonies or even shamans.
36:31
You know that imagine you're living in a very small community
36:36
in the middle of the Amazon because gringos come to you.
36:41
They really appreciate what they do.
36:44
They bring you to America or to Europe or to Japan or somewhere,
36:50
and all of a sudden you see all. You see the world that we live
36:54
in and you see all these beautiful young women that come
37:00
to ceremonies. You see money being given to
37:03
you. This is this.
37:07
You have to be careful, right? You know you have to do your
37:10
research. Even a shaman could be corrupted
37:12
in the world of form. There you go, You know one of
37:16
the when you do ayahuasca and ceremony, and this is sacred
37:25
ceremonies. I again, I can't speak to how
37:27
things are morphing, but they're my experience of working with
37:31
different South American indigenous healers or, or again,
37:39
the centered Miami church. The you, the rule of thumb is
37:47
that you're quiet. You don't talk to somebody else,
37:50
they don't talk to you. You don't get touched, you know,
37:54
because you're in this deep. It's like the best thing is like
37:57
being in a deep space watching a movie.
38:01
Any little thing can interrupt that, and that could be an
38:09
incredibly important moment. So you don't really don't really
38:13
interact. It's not social.
38:15
That's why they call it a work. You're doing deep personal.
38:19
Work. Yeah, it is real work.
38:20
I mean, the integration is real real work too.
38:24
Yes. And I think, I mean I know
38:27
somebody who would go to ceremonies.
38:28
I went there once. I would never go again.
38:31
I didn't think it was very sacred.
38:34
It was more kind of like a hangout.
38:35
I, I mean it, it was the least ceremonial session I'd ever been
38:45
to where people and people are doing different things,
38:48
whatever. But the integrationists were so
38:51
well trained, so well trained that I saw my my friend just by
38:56
leaps and bounds change. And then the integration is
39:00
extremely, extremely important. Yeah, Yeah.
39:04
One of the one of the places I've been there saying is that
39:10
the integration is like 70% or so of the actual experience.
39:16
And I have found that to be true.
39:19
And that's not taking anything away from the experience itself,
39:22
because the experience is transcendent, but.
39:24
It opens the door. It's the key to everything.
39:27
But as I said, if, if, if you don't experience that you're
39:31
changing, then maybe you need a different key.
39:35
You know, maybe it's therapy, maybe it's, you know, whatever,
39:38
right, right. It's it's not the right thing.
39:42
Doing more doesn't necessarily mean it's going to make you
39:46
better. Or if you or change what needs
39:48
to be changed. So Maxi, you know this, this
39:51
podcast and my soul song, you know with the book that that I'm
39:55
writing, which is about to be published.
40:00
Congratulations. Thank you.
40:01
It is a labor, as you know, it's a labor of love.
40:04
And and this is the third book that that I'm coming out with
40:09
and I've got a great publisher with do more good.
40:12
And Jay Wilkinson, who is the founder of that was on this
40:17
podcast for episode 41. We had a lot of fun flowing with
40:20
that. And there's a great conference
40:22
coming up May 27th through 29th where where the theme of the do
40:28
More conference this year is Love conquers fear.
40:33
Together we rise. What my soul song is, is my
40:37
whole career has been being a technologist.
40:40
I started programming when I was age 7, you know, thanks to my
40:43
mom, you know, who put a lot of love in my heart, found that
40:47
that was my passion early, learned how to program with me
40:51
and then let me do that unconditionally growing up, even
40:54
though a lot of people are telling her she was quote, UN
40:56
quote, ruining me because growing up here in Texas, I was
41:00
born and raised in Austin. You know, people are like, he
41:04
doesn't play football, he doesn't do this, etcetera.
41:06
All this, all the constructs, you know, that are respected.
41:11
And it wasn't normal back then to be a programmer.
41:15
Now, you know, people are vibe coding with AI all the time and
41:18
all that stuff. But back then it was very
41:20
unusual. And you know, this is prior to
41:22
even the movie Revenge of the Nerds, which came out and so.
41:27
The world has come up to you. It really it?
41:31
Really feels that way. And I think, and I think for
41:33
technologists, they, they have, you know, like people like Dario
41:37
Modi, the founder of Anthropic, you know, and CEO, you know, who
41:43
came out with a piece called the Adolescence of technology
41:46
recently. They feel this big sense of
41:48
responsibility, not all of them, but some of them.
41:52
And I feel that very viscerally. And I've seen in my journeys
41:58
that, you know, what humanity has to do is allow love to
42:04
conquer fear. You know, you talked about that
42:07
in in your own way that we need to do the work ourselves to then
42:13
be able to help others. And that internal work, you
42:16
know, the deprogramming and reprogramming with what serves
42:20
us is the spiritual path. And, and it's a, it's a
42:24
beautiful sacred path. It takes a lot of work.
42:27
You know, we've talked a lot about integration.
42:29
And so, so the reason I'm doing what I'm doing is that I'm not
42:36
good at a lot of things, but I'm good at predicting where
42:38
technology is going to go. And I've been good at that for a
42:41
long, long time. And we're in this exponential of
42:45
exponential curves where the power of the technology that
42:51
humanity collectively is manifesting now with $7 trillion
42:55
of investment towards AGI, artificial general intelligence
42:59
worldwide with 2.4 trillion just this year, Gartner is saying
43:03
that's being spent on on that in the US, we've never been in a
43:09
period where we spent this amount of money, energy, time,
43:15
compression of time on manifesting something.
43:18
And I think that the reason that's happening is there's a
43:21
lot of hope deep down, you know, it's doesn't doesn't necessarily
43:26
get come out in the news and in social media because we live in
43:30
this this world of form where we're getting pushed a lot of
43:35
dystopia. It's easier to hijack our
43:37
amygdala and keep us in a fierce state and put profits over
43:42
people. And so it's hard for people to
43:44
see like I always tell people when you're thinking about
43:49
reading the news, tune into things like the Progress
43:51
Network, tune into things like fix the news because the great
43:54
stories are out there. They're being done by the Free
43:57
Press, but they're buried algorithmically.
44:00
Because if you want to keep people in that, you know, kind
44:03
of hide and stay, click, click, click you the fastest path to
44:09
get there is to hijack their amygdala, which is very well
44:13
developed brain. And it's because we've dealt
44:16
with scarcity for so long. You know, homeless sapiens have
44:19
been around for 300,000 years. We've only had electricity for
44:22
.1% of that time. So most of our evolutionary
44:26
state has been scarcity that we can't imagine.
44:29
Of course there's countries like that.
44:31
You know, I personify in my book an Uber driver from the country
44:36
of Chad who picks me up at our house and he and I just have
44:40
this amazing conversation and their GDP is $660 a person
44:44
today, you know, versus our 86,000 a person.
44:48
So the way I see it is that we have to transcend the zero sum
44:55
fear based scarcity mindset to manifest that beautiful world of
45:01
abundance for all. And the technology has always
45:04
been our destiny, starting with the discovery of fire.
45:07
You know, that's where we could cook our food, which led to
45:12
hierarchy brains, that's where we could warm, you know,
45:15
whatever our shelter was. And and so we're in this time
45:20
where it's this lifetime, which is going to force humanity to
45:26
make that choice. And I'm 95% certain we make it
45:30
to the other side of this and we have this beautiful age of
45:34
abundance. And we realize that genetically
45:36
we're 99.9% the same. And that a lot of these
45:39
constructs which create this illusion of separation, you
45:44
know, whether it's my religion versus your religion, my
45:47
political party versus your political party, my country
45:50
versus your country, they have to, they have to melt away.
45:54
And doesn't mean that identity won't still be a part of us, but
45:59
it won't be this part that we choose for power over others.
46:04
So that's the that's the beautiful world that that I
46:08
think can be manifested, but humanity has to choose to do
46:12
that. And I'm just curious how you see
46:15
this moment? You know, how do you how do you
46:19
see it yourself? Like with all of the experience
46:22
you've had. Well, first of all, I, I would
46:25
say I, I all, I'm feeling always inadequate that I don't
46:30
understand AI enough of how could be benefit to me.
46:35
So that's on the small scale. That's the small scale.
46:39
On the huge scale. I only know by what I read.
46:44
Of course, we're in a culture at the moment where there is so
46:49
much divisiveness and and there is so much negativity that that
46:55
is sort of the marquee headline, right?
46:58
I am truly grateful for people like you who are entrepreneurs
47:03
who understand this technology, who understood the big picture
47:08
on all levels, that have the power to influence others on
47:15
that level. Because as technology is
47:21
escalating or the power of technologies and escalating, I
47:26
feel we're very lucky that the power or the communication of
47:31
very ancient technologies is escalating, right?
47:37
And that we are in this moment where people also are having the
47:43
opportunity to move through their own fear, their own
47:50
suffering, their own trauma, to heal themselves, to help heal
47:55
the world. And so like this podcast that
47:59
you're doing is very is a great way to communicate to people and
48:04
is very helpful, I'm sure, and inspires people and makes them
48:09
think and chipped whatever. I make movies.
48:13
I'm making this film, Ayahuasca Diaries, to inspire people to
48:18
what's possible, to shift their consciousness and to live a
48:23
better life. I believe that what happens, one
48:26
of the the most basic things that happens when you take these
48:30
medicines is that you are filled with enormous love, enormous
48:38
gratitude, incredible humility to understand or to see.
48:47
You don't even have to understand.
48:48
You know what, what your worldview just opens and opens
48:52
and opens and opens and the, the people say, people ask like what
48:59
is higher consciousness to be able to even see the unseen
49:02
world and to have a profound sense of the possibility of
49:12
possibilities of, of unbounded freedom or what the loosening of
49:21
limitations and boundaries of what's possible.
49:25
So, and I think that if more people had the opportunity to do
49:34
that, that we lived in a world where love conquered fear, where
49:39
love was the marquee. Everyone felt that they loved
49:46
themselves, they'd love every the world, right?
49:50
Like love is the answer. Yep.
49:53
Period. And if love is the answer, we we
49:56
wouldn't have war. We wouldn't have all this
49:58
negativity of everybody just got that.
50:00
What else is there to do then to bring that to the world, right?
50:06
Hoping that love conquers spirit, that love is greater
50:11
than what's negative. So yeah, I can't, I, I, I can't
50:16
imagine doing anything else but doing that and hoping for the
50:21
best. Yeah, I mean, you summarized
50:24
really well why I'm doing what I'm doing and why you're doing
50:27
what you're doing. And I think that that's that's
50:31
beautiful. I mean, love is the highest
50:32
vibratory force in the universe and fear is a deep contractor,
50:39
you know, takes energy away. You know, in the companies that
50:44
I've started the whole the whole point is we were trying to do
50:49
our best as Co founders, as as the team to manifest love.
50:55
And you know, when the companies I started a bizarre voice, which
51:00
was a very successful actually we had over a billion dollar
51:03
IPO. We're raid the number one place
51:04
to work in Austin when we're small, medium and then large.
51:08
And the number one thing that I was trying to do there is the
51:14
CEO number one thing was constantly manifest love was
51:19
constantly manifest connection. And I got that from my mom, you
51:23
know, from my mom putting that in me very early on that that
51:28
was the answer and that was the answer in business too, you
51:32
know, and and you know, I've been involved in the conscious
51:35
capitalism community. I've got a chapter on capitalism
51:40
in the love conquer sphere book. One of the things that actually
51:44
gives me hope as well is that my prior company is called dated
51:49
out world ServiceNow bought it last year.
51:52
A big public company bought it last year on 777 is my actually
51:57
my divine number and they announced it on 57, which is
52:01
which is really interesting. But with with dated dot world.
52:06
We founded that company 10 years ago and it's one of the first
52:09
public benefit corporations or B Corp for tech companies.
52:14
You know, Patagonia, there's a lot of famous B corps throughout
52:17
history, but we were a pioneer in doing that in the tech space.
52:22
And now you have Anthropic, which is a public benefit
52:26
corporation. You have open AI who converted
52:30
into a public benefit corporation.
52:33
So the two most important AI companies right now are both
52:40
followed benefit corporations. And I I mentioned that because
52:45
that that's a that's a good trend.
52:47
You know that more and more capitalists are saying, hey, you
52:52
know, we need to have practice conscious capitalism.
52:56
And I would actually even let's add the Ness on that right,
53:00
consciousness, capitalism. Let's be in alignment with
53:04
consciousness. Let's be in alignment with love
53:07
as the vibratory force and leaders make a choice.
53:12
You know, when when I was starting out as an entrepreneur
53:16
and learning how to be ACEO when I was very young, I made a
53:21
choice. I'm like, I'm going to lead with
53:23
love. I'm not going to lead with fear.
53:25
Both can work, but fear is super toxic to the leader and it's
53:31
super toxic to the employees, whereas love brings out the best
53:36
in you and the best in them. And there's lots of examples.
53:39
I mean, Warren Buffett is my favorite capitalistic example of
53:44
a person who truly leads with love.
53:46
He's the best investor of year in my lifetime.
53:49
Like his track record is unparalleled.
53:53
And you know, he's the, he's the founder of Berkshire Hathaway,
53:56
you know, and he leads with love.
54:00
You know it's a choice. I'll tell you something, and
54:03
this is making me think of this is what we're talking.
54:10
One of the things that I learned from the indigenous leaders
54:17
really blew my mind in a way, made me really think because to
54:23
them, they think of the health of the health of their body.
54:30
The health of themselves is the same as the health of their
54:34
family, that same as the health of their community.
54:38
And this the same as the health of their territory, of the land
54:42
of their territory. They think of it all as one.
54:45
We don't think that way. We, we, we, we don't think that
54:49
way at all. So I sat on the subway like for
54:52
weeks just looking around, thinking, OK, I'm looking at the
54:56
reflection of the health of myself, the health of my
55:00
community, looking at and then looking at New York City.
55:06
I'm thinking, of course, what can I do?
55:08
You know, you, you, you in a way, become disconnected to your
55:14
community just by its size. So we have we create communities
55:19
around us so that we can thrive and and flourish.
55:24
But I, I just, I don't know, I just thought to share that
55:27
because that's so different. We think about and, and this is
55:30
the other thing that was brought to my attention.
55:35
We think when we take these medicines that we think about
55:40
our territory of being ourselves.
55:42
Been to Leonan, who is the head of vice series and created the
55:46
world Ayahuasca forum brought this to my attention.
55:51
He said. You know, we think of the
55:52
territory as ourself. We, we don't think of it as the
55:57
way the indigenous do. They think of them.
56:00
They think of the territory that they in the territory are the
56:03
same, right? You know, that it's it that we
56:06
think of it. It's just healing us.
56:08
We don't think about it healing the bigger us.
56:11
Right, right. So.
56:13
Yeah. No, I love that you brought that
56:15
up. And you know, one of the one of
56:17
the quest I've been on is reading a lot of the ancient
56:21
spiritual texts to look for the common root.
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And one of the most challenging chapters in the love conquers
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for book is the chapter on religion.
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But they all sink actually the common root.
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It doesn't matter if it's the Quran, it's the Bhagavad Gita,
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it's the Torah, it's, it's, you know, the Zohar and Kabbalah,
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it's the Dao de Chin. They all, they all synchronize
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at a common root. And I think that's where the
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truth lies versus the dog dogma that was built on top of them.
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Like the Bhagavad Gita is amazing divine read that it
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actually also has the caste system in it.
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I mean, seriously, like like God is going to force us into cast
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and like, sorry Maxi, you can't marry someone in this cast,
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etcetera, and they can't marry you.
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So it that the common root actually is that our actual
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reality is rooted in love and that we have to be the
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embodiment of love conquering our own fear.
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And then we can help others do that.
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And then humanity a sins and that's how we create heaven on
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earth. And the technology is just a
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catalyst for us to do that for us to create the really to
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manifest love. And you know, if you think about
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already the abundance that we have today, we couldn't have
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imagined that 100 years ago, 200 years ago, you know, 3-3 hundred
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years ago. It's funny because I Peter Wang
57:58
on this podcast, he leads a company in Austin that's worth
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over a billion dollars. You know, he's very successful
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immigrant success story. He immigrated from Wuhan in
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China in 1984. And he said, you don't have to
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go back 100 years ago. He was like in Wuhan in 1984.
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We were rationing coal and food. He's like, that was my existence
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growing up. When I came to America, I was
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like, he, he was like, Oh my gosh, they have blueberries and
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grocery stores. So what do you know?
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What is even the and just the abundance, you know, so we
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actually have abundance today. It's just not evenly
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distributed. And the technology is a forcing
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function for us to get the cost down.
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You know, if we could capture 18 seconds of the sun's energy, the
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sun's energy, it falls on Earth, it would power the world's
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energy needs for around a year. 18 seconds, really.
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So do you see then the AI and the technology in the way that
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it's moving can really bring about a golden age of equality
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to people? Yeah.
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But but it's the biggest challenge in that is we have to
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choose that as. Humanity is people's mindset.
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Yes, we have to choose that. We have to transcend.
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People, so many people don't know that there's even a choice.
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I mean, that's, that's and, and if you feel totally
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disenfranchised, you don't have any power, you know, you're, you
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don't have economic power, You don't, you don't have any.
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It's even hard to know how to, how to get there, right?
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How do we do that? That's true.
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That's true. And, and, and it's going to,
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it's going to happen both at a bottoms up level, like a
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groundswell and a tops down level where leaders are like,
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wait, hold on. We have the, we have the ability
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to manifest abundance on this planet.
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That's going to be a much more beautiful world than if we
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continue to play this dominance game.
1:00:02
So I think it's going to happen both ways, but it's hard to
1:00:05
predict. Like all the catalysts that'll
1:00:08
get there, I was trying to predict one.
1:00:10
I mean, it came to me in a, in a psychedelic journey with Part 1
1:00:14
of the lattice, you know, which I gave you that, that that's one
1:00:18
positive way that the catalyst could happen to unite humanity.
1:00:25
So it it's it's, but it's very hard to imagine today because it
1:00:31
would be like being in India prior to the rise of Gandhi and
1:00:35
be and, and suffering under the rule of the British and just
1:00:38
thinking like, well, this is our reality and I don't know how to
1:00:42
change it. And then one person, right, who
1:00:46
had so little rose up and was like Neo in the matrix and like,
1:00:52
no, we're, we're going to manifest a different reality
1:00:55
here. Did it through non violence, you
1:00:58
know, and then Mandela did the same thing in South Africa.
1:01:01
So I don't know the number of humans that need to have the the
1:01:05
heart shift to to step up the body Safas or whatever you would
1:01:09
like to call them that that that need to come are already here.
1:01:15
But I'm confident that that that is our possibility.
1:01:20
Yeah. I mean, if you look at those
1:01:22
studies that were done in the 80s, I think about TM, the study
1:01:26
showed that if a certain percentage of the population was
1:01:30
meditating, they showed that crime went down.
1:01:33
So. I remember this study actually.
1:01:35
We'll put a link in the show notes.
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Yeah. So I do think as the
1:01:40
conversations flow more these kind of converse, that kind of
1:01:46
kind of conversations we're having flow more into the
1:01:50
mainstream. The chance of the marquee being
1:01:57
loved is is a sort of higher. Somebody told me in a story that
1:02:02
they were in Ecuador and the shaman said, you know, we take
1:02:05
ayahuasca, we go to the astral. In originally indigenous
1:02:10
communities, it was only the shaman that drank and he would
1:02:13
go to the astral to find where animals were, the tribe was
1:02:18
hungry or a child was lost or how to help somebody who was
1:02:23
sick. So he said we go to the astral
1:02:26
to get the information that we need for our community.
1:02:30
He said in America you don't have shamans, you have PR
1:02:34
agents, you have like publicist or something and they create
1:02:41
what the story is or what the solutions are and so.
1:02:45
They go directly to the source, the shamans.
1:02:49
They have the download, yeah. Right.
1:02:51
So we, we need to change where the general PR, you know, what
1:02:58
the level of conversation is and what it's about.
1:03:02
Yeah, well, I, I have a lot of faith that there's a very strong
1:03:08
consciousness awakening underway.
1:03:10
It's really interesting to be in this city.
1:03:12
This is my hometown, you know, it's part in 1972.
1:03:15
And to see that Austin is becoming, you know, the Ground
1:03:18
Zero for the consciousness awakening in the US, it's
1:03:21
amazing. It is.
1:03:23
I've only been here a couple days, but I'm it's profoundly
1:03:27
interesting to me that this is such a huge tech hub and such a
1:03:31
a huge hub of spirituality. And so that in itself to watch
1:03:36
that mix gives me a lot of faith that that gives me a lot of
1:03:41
faith. I did want to say one of the
1:03:43
things that I've been doing to offer the conversation to people
1:03:49
is these free monthly Ask Me anythings about ayahuasca.
1:03:53
But I'm doing them and I'm doing them with real authorities and
1:04:02
leaders in the space. That last week we did one with
1:04:04
Dick Schwartz, who was who's the founder of Internal Family
1:04:09
Systems, which has it had a huge contribution to psychotherapy,
1:04:13
who's now working with ketamine. He has a book coming out about
1:04:16
psychedelics and therapy. And this month of April, we're
1:04:21
talking to Dennis McKenna. So Leor Rosen Roseman, who's who
1:04:29
did this study between the Palestinians and Israelis, we're
1:04:33
doing one with him. So there are a number of really
1:04:35
interesting people. And no, that's.
1:04:38
Put in your notes. Help.
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Yeah. I'm glad I'm glad that you that
1:04:42
you mentioned that we'll definitely put it in the show
1:04:44
notes so that people can TuneIn to your work and and I just want
1:04:48
to thank you so much for coming on.
1:04:50
I really love your heart and the fact that this is your soul
1:04:55
calling. You and I are quantumly
1:04:57
entangled. We're just we're just doing it
1:04:59
in our own way, trying to trying to create the the heart shift
1:05:03
for humanity. And I'm looking forward to the
1:05:08
second night of Seder with you. We're both going to that dinner,
1:05:11
you know, thanks to thanks to Gabby Polar.
1:05:13
But yeah, thank you so much for coming on.
1:05:16
This is really. Beautiful.
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We can put in the show notes, ayahuascadiariesfilm.com, so
1:05:22
people can see highlights of the film, and they can even help
1:05:26
participate and contribute to the finishing of the film, which
1:05:31
I need to finish. So we're looking for executive
1:05:33
producers, but $100 gets you a credit.
1:05:38
Awesome, awesome count. Count me in on that.
1:05:41
And I I, you know, I'll also put the trailer for From Shock to
1:05:45
awe, please. Wow, that, that's incredible.
1:05:49
I think Tim Ferriss said he watched it three times and just
1:05:52
absolutely loved it. And and it's part, it's part of
1:05:56
the awakening that that we need for people that are really
1:05:59
suffering that can have a transcendent healing experience.
1:06:03
So thank you so much. Yeah, this is this is amazing.
1:06:06
Thank you, thank you, thank you. Well, thanks everybody for
1:06:09
tuning in to another episode of Love Conquers Fear.
1:06:12
I love Maxie's heart and really appreciate her work and the fact
1:06:18
that this is her soul song and she's putting out these
1:06:20
beautiful pieces of art to really help humanity shift.
1:06:25
Stay tuned, I am on a podcasting Sprint here the next three.
1:06:32
Days we're recording episodes so it's amazing who's.
1:06:37
Coming on, I can't wait to share them with you and thank you
1:06:42
again for all of the love that you're giving me.
1:06:46
It means a lot to me. I get regular messages every
1:06:50
single day from you on how this is really helping you have a
1:06:55
heart shift or you're tuning into different books that are
1:06:57
discussed on here. And I just appreciate that a
1:07:00
lot. So thank you so much.
1:07:02
And if you find this interesting, you know, share it
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with a friend. Let's let's let it grow.
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I'm self funding this. There's no ads, as you know, so
1:07:12
this is really just my soul song to help humanity have that
1:07:16
really important heart shift that we need to make it to this
1:07:19
beautiful age of, of, of abundance.
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Let's create heaven on earth. Thank you.