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Episode Two Hundred Eleven: Clueless · The Death Of Journalism

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  Speaker 1: Welcome to episode number two hundred and eleven of the
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  Speaker 1: Death of Journalism podcast.
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  Speaker 2: My name is John Zigler. I'm your host on today's show.
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  Speaker 1: The Kamala Harris campaign finally comes out of hiding and
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  Speaker 1: the results are pretty hilarious and telling Trump gets a
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  Speaker 1: healthcare pick exactly right, and former cable news host and
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  Speaker 1: now liberal commentator David Schuster rejoins the podcast to get
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  Speaker 1: an extensive progressive perspective on the presidential election and the
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  Speaker 1: sad state of college football. Happy Thanksgiving to everyone who
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  Speaker 1: is listening this podcast, to you and to your family
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  Speaker 1: and your friends. I'll have a few thoughts about Thanksgiving
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  Speaker 1: at the end of the podcast. But just before Thanksgiving,
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  Speaker 1: there was some very interesting presidential news I guess you
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  Speaker 1: would call it that came out because the Kamala Harris
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  Speaker 1: campaign various ways decided to come out of hiding. They
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  Speaker 1: had not been heard from since they obviously lost several
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  Speaker 1: weeks ago at the beginning of this month of November,
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  Speaker 1: and there were two primary ways in which the Kamala
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  Speaker 1: Harris campaign finally came out of hiding. The one that
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  Speaker 1: probably got the most attention over the last couple of
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  Speaker 1: days was that the Harris campaign, specifically, Kamala Harris and
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  Speaker 1: Tim Waltz participated in a zoom call with I guess
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  Speaker 1: campaign volunteers, and this did not go well at all,
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  Speaker 1: not even a little bit. In fact, I think you
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  Speaker 1: can make an argument that the chances of Kamala Harris
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  Speaker 1: being the twenty twenty eight Democratic nomin knee took a
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  Speaker 1: significant hit by this situation, as well as others that
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  Speaker 1: I'm going to get to momentarily. But the biggest problem
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  Speaker 1: that was created here from Kamala Harris's perspective is that
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  Speaker 1: the Democratic Party for some reason put out a post
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  Speaker 1: on Twitter or x with what I think is a
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  Speaker 1: fairly out of context clip from the zoom call, and
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  Speaker 1: they made it seem as if this was intended to
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  Speaker 1: be the first message from Harris post concession speech. In
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  Speaker 1: other words, hey, Kamala Harris taped this clip for us,
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  Speaker 1: and here's twenty eight seconds of Kamala Harris delivering a
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  Speaker 1: message to the nation. That's what it seemed like, and
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  Speaker 1: that's how it was perceived.
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  Speaker 2: But that's not what was happening.
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  Speaker 1: What was happening was the Democratic Party was taking a
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  Speaker 1: clip and editing a clip out of a you know,
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  Speaker 1: I think it was like sixteen minute long zoom call.
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  Speaker 1: I think Harris was on that speaking for several minutes.
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  Speaker 1: I don't know how many. But this was not intended
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  Speaker 1: as a message to the country. This was intended as
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  Speaker 1: a message for her supporters, her volunteers, who are obviously
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  Speaker 1: in a very poor mental state right now because they're
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  Speaker 1: still recovering from this massive loss. Now, I'm not in
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  Speaker 1: the business of defending Kamala Harris. However, I am in
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  Speaker 1: the business of the truth, of trying to understand reality here,
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  Speaker 1: and I don't think that Harris necessarily is deserving all
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  Speaker 1: the ridicule that she's getting. That doesn't mean that a
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  Speaker 1: lot of the mocking of what happened here hasn't been
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  Speaker 1: funny and probably isn't at some level based in truth,
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  Speaker 1: because she was just that bad of a candidate and
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  Speaker 1: she's that poorly cut out for being the president of
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  Speaker 1: the United States. But just for the record, here is
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  Speaker 1: the clip of Kamala Harris that was posted by the
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  Speaker 1: Democratic Party that came from this larger zoom call with
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  Speaker 1: campaign volunteers that has been widely ridiculed and mocked throughout
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  Speaker 1: social media for the last I guess almost twenty four
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  Speaker 1: hours as we tape this the day before Thanksgiving.
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  Speaker 3: I just have to remind you, don't you ever let
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  Speaker 3: anybody take your power from you. You have the same
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  Speaker 3: power that you did before November fifth, and you have
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  Speaker 3: the same purpose that you did, and you have the
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  Speaker 3: same ability to engage and inspire. So don't ever let
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  Speaker 3: anybody or any circumstance take your power from you.
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  Speaker 1: Now, I fully acknowledge that in any context that's bad. However,
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  Speaker 1: it's not as bad in my opinion, if you understand
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  Speaker 1: who she's intending to speak to and that this is
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  Speaker 1: part of a larger presentation. The audience I think is
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  Speaker 1: the most important part here, because I think people were
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  Speaker 1: interpreting this as this was the message that Harris wanted
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  Speaker 1: to send to the nation, and that it was packaged
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  Speaker 1: purposely in a short twenty eight second SoundBite. For that reason,
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  Speaker 1: That's not what happened, and the Democratic Party did her
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  Speaker 1: dirty here in my opinion, Again, I'm not defending her.
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  Speaker 2: I get why people are mocking it.
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  Speaker 1: You know, most people are portraying this as basically your
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  Speaker 1: drunk aunt on Thanksgiving, you know, after dessert, giving you
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  Speaker 1: life advice that you didn't ask for you don't really
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  Speaker 1: want or need. And I don't think she was drunk,
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  Speaker 1: but that I get why people are portraying that in
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  Speaker 1: their minds.
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  Speaker 2: I mean, it does have that vibe to it. I
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  Speaker 2: don't I've never.
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  Speaker 1: Been convinced by the way there's any evidence that she
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  Speaker 1: has a drinking problem. And I don't believe that she
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  Speaker 1: would be doing this while she was under the influence
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  Speaker 1: of alcohol.
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  Speaker 2: I guess anything's possible in this date and age.
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  Speaker 1: But on social media, that's the perception of this, and
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  Speaker 1: you know, that's a very damaging perception. I realized that
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  Speaker 1: most people that are sharing and commenting on this on
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  Speaker 1: social media are dunking on her because they're Trump fans,
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  Speaker 1: and they're like, oh my god, this is just awful
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  Speaker 1: and this is why she lost.
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  Speaker 2: I get that.
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  Speaker 1: But I'm also seeing some indication that this might be
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  Speaker 1: the straw that broke the camel's back when it came
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  Speaker 1: to you know, supporters of Harris who were not in
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  Speaker 1: the in the cult category, that maybe their eyes are
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  Speaker 1: being open to us.
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  Speaker 2: Wow, that is that's really really bad.
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  Speaker 1: But again, I just want to because about the truth
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  Speaker 1: and about trying to assess reality I don't think that
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  Speaker 1: the Democratic Party did Harris any favors at all. I
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  Speaker 1: think this was a very poor choice of editing, and
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  Speaker 1: I think it was not properly portrayed. Was it was
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  Speaker 1: displayed on social media as if this was the intended
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  Speaker 1: message for America, And I guess I just can't emphasize
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  Speaker 1: it enough.
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  Speaker 2: I'll say one more time.
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  Speaker 1: In her mind, she's speaking directly and seemingly only to
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  Speaker 1: the people who dedicated so much of their time and
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  Speaker 1: effort over the last several months to an election effort
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  Speaker 1: that failed miserably, And I think in that context that
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  Speaker 1: clip isn't quite as bad.
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  Speaker 2: I get that, it's still, you know, cringe. I get it.
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  Speaker 2: I'm not defending her.
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  Speaker 1: I just don't think it's nearly as bad as people
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  Speaker 1: are pretending or portraying. But we're living in a world
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  Speaker 1: in general where perception is reality, and most of politics
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  Speaker 1: is clearly perception over reality. So I think this was
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  Speaker 1: damaging to Harris at a very vulnerable time for her
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  Speaker 1: because obviously she lost, she didn't lose a massive blowout.
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  Speaker 1: If she had done a point and a half better
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  Speaker 1: on average in the three Blue Wall states, she'd be
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  Speaker 1: the next president United States, and everyone would be saying,
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  Speaker 1: she pulled off this miracle while losing the popular vote.
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  Speaker 2: That's how close that came to.
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  Speaker 1: That's, you know, a very unlikely scenario where she could
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  Speaker 1: lose the popular vote and win the electoral college. But
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  Speaker 1: that didn't happen. And we live in a world where
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  Speaker 1: winning is everything, and when you lose, everything you do
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  Speaker 1: is seen through that prism. And when you spend a
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  Speaker 1: billion dollars and waste a lot of it on celebrities,
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  Speaker 1: including rich celebrities like Oprah Winfrey and others, and you
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  Speaker 1: get you know, and you leave the campaign and you're
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  Speaker 1: gonna get criticized, rightfully so. And so it's within that
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  Speaker 1: context that that clip is kind of like pouring gasoline
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  Speaker 1: on the fire.
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  Speaker 2: And there were other things that happened.
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  Speaker 1: On the same day that did not, in any way,
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  Speaker 1: shape or form help with the fire. In fact, probably
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  Speaker 1: put more gasoline on the fire. Because a couple of
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  Speaker 1: members of her top campaign staff did an extensive interview
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  Speaker 1: with Pod Save America Crooked Media podcast, and this was
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  Speaker 1: in some ways substantively way worse than that clip that
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  Speaker 1: went viral from Kamala Harris speaking to campaign volunteers.
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  Speaker 2: This was really, really bad.
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  Speaker 1: And while it's anecdotal, I do, you know, pride myself
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  Speaker 1: on not living in a media bubble. I follow a
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  Speaker 1: lot of liberal accounts on both talk and on Twitter,
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  Speaker 1: and you know, I am certainly not somebody who is
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  Speaker 1: isolated in my media consumption, and I'm seeing a lot
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  Speaker 1: of liberal outrage over what happened on that podcast, and
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  Speaker 1: specifically just how completely clueless the top campaign brass for
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  Speaker 1: Kamala Harris appears to be. You know, there's a lot
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  Speaker 1: of discussion in this week because then the movie Wicked
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  Speaker 1: is out. In the next episode of the podcast, I'll
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  Speaker 1: have my review of Wicked because I was forced to
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  Speaker 1: go see it with my two daughters, which they loved it.
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  Speaker 1: But I'll have some thoughts on that in the next
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  Speaker 1: episode of the podcast. But but since Wicked is out
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  Speaker 1: and you know, doing bang a box office business, there's
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  Speaker 1: a lot of discussion of the Wizard of Oz, right. Well,
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  Speaker 1: what happened on this podse of America podcast to me
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  Speaker 1: was a bit like the famous in The Wizard of
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  Speaker 1: Oz where the Wizard gets revealed and exposed and you know,
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  Speaker 1: there's the famous line pay no attention to the man
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  Speaker 1: behind the curtain. Well, my perception of this using this metaphor,
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  Speaker 1: this analogy, was that they should have been saying, pay
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  Speaker 1: no attention to the white females behind the curtain, because
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  Speaker 1: because the two white women who did the most speaking
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  Speaker 1: and seemed to be most in charge of the Harris
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  Speaker 1: campaign exposed themselves much like the Wizard of Oz did,
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  Speaker 1: as being complete frauds, as being totally clueless. And I,
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  Speaker 1: for one, and I never had any faith in one particular.
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  Speaker 2: Person, but I had some faith. Not that I was
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  Speaker 2: rooting for them.
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  Speaker 1: I was rooting against them as much as I possibly could,
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  Speaker 1: even working against them indirectly for a Trump superpack. But
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  Speaker 1: you know, when I was assessed sing the Harris campaign,
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  Speaker 1: I presume that they had some competence at the top level.
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  Speaker 1: I mean, this is a party that had won every
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  Speaker 1: recent presidential election except for the Fluke of twenty sixteen.
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  Speaker 1: So I'm thinking these people at some level must know
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  Speaker 1: what the hell they're doing.
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  Speaker 2: I no longer believe that.
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  Speaker 1: Thus the Wizard of Oz metaphor here, because this was
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  Speaker 1: just ridiculous some of the.
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  Speaker 2: Things that were said here.
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  Speaker 1: I want to play two clips from this very liberal podcast.
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  Speaker 1: This is very friendly territory. This is there's no threat
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  Speaker 1: of extremely difficult questions here, although you know they were
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  Speaker 1: pressed because obviously the liberal audience wants some answers as
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  Speaker 1: to what the hell happened here, and the answers were
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  Speaker 1: terrible and an indication to me that, my god, people
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  Speaker 1: like me who gave them any kind of credibility, who
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  Speaker 1: thought they might have some magic on their side, that
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  Speaker 1: you watch out. The turnout machine is going to be formidable,
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  Speaker 1: or they really know what's going on, much more so
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  Speaker 1: than it appears from the surface.
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  Speaker 2: Uh huh. These people have no idea what the hell
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  Speaker 2: are doing.
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  Speaker 1: And the two clips I want to play to prove
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  Speaker 1: my case are as follows.
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  Speaker 2: The first is from.
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  Speaker 1: A woman by the name of gen O'Malley Dylan and she,
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  Speaker 1: Oh my god, this clip is amazing if you really
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  Speaker 1: delve deeply into it.
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  Speaker 2: Hear this female woman.
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  Speaker 1: Obviously I guess she calls herself a woman you never
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  Speaker 1: know on the democratic side, but she's clearly a biological female,
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  Speaker 1: very classically liberal white woman, and she's talking about how
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  Speaker 1: effectively she blames the media, the media and the media
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  Speaker 1: narratives for why Harris lost and completely revises history. When
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  Speaker 1: it comes to the issue of Harris not doing interviews,
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  Speaker 1: she basically claims that that's not the case, that was
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  Speaker 1: somehow a false narrative.
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  Speaker 2: And then blames the interviewers.
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  Speaker 1: For I guess not being she claims not being substantive
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  Speaker 1: enough in interviews with Harris. But my God, by and large,
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  Speaker 1: other than the Brett Bher interview, every interview she did
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  Speaker 1: was incredibly soft and very pro Kamala Harris, and yet
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  Speaker 1: she did poorly in all of them, most famously the
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  Speaker 1: softest interview of all, in the view where she gave
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  Speaker 1: the answer that might have been the most damaging to
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  Speaker 1: her campaign, where she's said that has she had to
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  Speaker 1: do it again, she can't think of anything she would
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  Speaker 1: do differently than Joe Biden. I mean that was maybe
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  Speaker 1: game set match from a substantive standpoint. But here is
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  Speaker 1: Genle Mally Dylan on Podsave America blaming the news media
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  Speaker 1: and a supposedly fall narrative about her interviews for why
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  Speaker 1: she lost, or at least part of why she lost
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  Speaker 1: to Trump.
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  Speaker 4: I would say, I mean, look, I am not media
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  Speaker 4: hater by any measure, and I think that you know,
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  Speaker 4: we women don't get far in life talking about double standard.
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  Speaker 4: So that's not the point, but I do think a
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  Speaker 4: narrative one hundred and seven days two weeks fucked up
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  Speaker 4: because of a hurricane two weeks talking about how she
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  Speaker 4: didn't do interviews, which you know she was doing plenty,
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  Speaker 4: but we were doing in our own way. We had to,
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  Speaker 4: you know, be the nominee, had to find a running
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  Speaker 4: maid and do a rollout. I mean, there was all
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  Speaker 4: these things that you kind of want to factor in,
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  Speaker 4: but real people heard in some way that we were
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  Speaker 4: not going to have interviews, which was both not true
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  Speaker 4: and also so counter to any kind of standard that
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  Speaker 4: was put on Trump that I think that was a problem.
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  Speaker 4: And then on top of that, we would do an interview,
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  Speaker 4: and to Stephanie's point, the questions were small and processing
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  Speaker 4: and about like they were not informing a voter who
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  Speaker 4: was trying to listen to learn more or to understand.
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  Speaker 4: And I'm not here should say that, you know, the
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  Speaker 4: whole system was focused on us incorrectly. I'm just saying, like, again,
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  Speaker 4: of the things we need to explore as we move
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  Speaker 4: forward as a campaign and as a country that does
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  Speaker 4: a disservice to voters and you know, I think back
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  Speaker 4: and think we should have signaled more of our strategy
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  Speaker 4: early on about podcasts and who we were trying to reach,
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  Speaker 4: and but we had a limited amount of time to
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  Speaker 4: reach the people who are trying to reach and we
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  Speaker 4: were trying.
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  Speaker 5: To go to them.
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  Speaker 4: But being up against a narrative that we weren't doing
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  Speaker 4: anything or we were afraid to have interviews is completely bullshit.
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  Speaker 4: And also like took hold a little bit, and we
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  Speaker 4: just gave us another thing we had to fight back
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  Speaker 4: for that Trump never had to worry about.
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  Speaker 1: Now, that's just flat out ridiculous. The whole thing is
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  Speaker 1: a lie. It was over a month over a month
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  Speaker 1: before she did her first interview, and it was with CNN.
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  Speaker 1: Dana Bash was literally giving her the answers to the questions,
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  Speaker 1: providing her with multiple choice options. She had Tim Waltz
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  Speaker 1: sitting right there next to her. You know, look, I
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  Speaker 1: believe they were afraid that she wouldn't do well in interviews.
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  Speaker 1: That's the Olkham's razor explanation for this. But they either
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  Speaker 1: won't or can't admit that now. But you can't have
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  Speaker 1: it both ways. You clearly were dodging real interviews and
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  Speaker 1: so yeah, that was going to create a narrative. Of course,
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  Speaker 1: it would create a negative narrative for you, but that
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  Speaker 1: narrative was based on reality. You could have done interviews immediately.
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  Speaker 1: I mean I always use the Sarah Palin example. Sarah Palin,
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  Speaker 1: you want to talk about coming out of nowhere. I mean,
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  Speaker 1: at least Kamala Harris was vice president and knew that
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  Speaker 1: she was going to be running again, at least as
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  Speaker 1: vice president. By the way, one of the things I'm
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  Speaker 1: not going to play the clip from it, but one
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  Speaker 1: of the things that was stupefying was that one of
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  Speaker 1: the campaign advisors indicated that they had never thought about
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  Speaker 1: a Harris campaign until after Biden had dropped out and
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  Speaker 1: endorsed her.
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  Speaker 2: Now, I don't know if I really believe that, but.
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  Speaker 1: If that's the case, holy shit, these people are idiots.
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  Speaker 1: Of course, there was a very good third for at
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  Speaker 1: least for three weeks, there was this campaign to get
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  Speaker 1: rid of Biden.
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  Speaker 2: But go back to Palin for a second.
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  Speaker 1: Palin came in two thousand and eight when John McCain
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  Speaker 1: picked her as the vice presidential nominee. As the governor
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  Speaker 1: of Alaska, she literally came out of nowhere. Literally nowhere,
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  Speaker 1: had no expectation zero that she was going to be
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  Speaker 1: thrust into the middle of this campaign, and that was
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  Speaker 1: just as a vice presidential candidate. Well for me, after
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  Speaker 1: the Republican Convention in retrospect, far too soon, she was
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  Speaker 1: thrown into the shark infested waters of major multiple sit
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  Speaker 1: down interviews with Katie Kurrik, who we now know is
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  Speaker 1: a liberal activist, and every other major network, because if
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  Speaker 1: they hadn't done it, it would have looked like they were
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  Speaker 1: hiding her that she was clearly not ready.
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  Speaker 2: Of course she has to do these interviews. Well, Harris
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  Speaker 2: didn't do anything for over a.
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  Speaker 1: Month when she was thrust into the middle of the
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  Speaker 1: campaign as the presidential candidate, and that was you know,
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  Speaker 1: two thousand and eight.
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  Speaker 2: Wasn't that long ago.
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  Speaker 1: So this whole idea, this whole narrative is completely ridiculous.
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  Speaker 1: It's not based in reality, it's not based in fact,
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  Speaker 1: it's not based in any sort.
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  Speaker 2: Of logic, and it's completely clueless.
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  Speaker 1: And the funny part is part of why I'm exercised
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  Speaker 1: about this.
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  Speaker 2: Is I don't I think she's lying.
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  Speaker 1: I think she really believes this, which is where I
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  Speaker 1: get to the clueless standpoint, you have to be delusional,
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  Speaker 1: you have to be completely out of touch, which I
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  Speaker 1: think Genle Malling Tillon is, or she's an excellent liar,
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  Speaker 1: but I was stupefied by that response. I mean, look,
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  Speaker 1: everyone blames the news media when they lose a presidential campaign,
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  Speaker 1: but that answer, uh huh, that doesn't cut it, not
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  Speaker 1: even close. And I saw a lot of liberals who
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  Speaker 1: were equally maybe even more so outraged about that and
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  Speaker 1: other answers that were given on this podcast than I was.
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  Speaker 1: I want to play a second clip from Stephanie Cutter,
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  Speaker 1: another white female who also appears to be clueless, where
• 20:55
  Speaker 1: she has asked about this issue of why.
• 20:58
  Speaker 2: Didn't you go on Joe Rogan?
• 21:00
  Speaker 1: Why didn' Kamala Harris go on Joe Rogan's podcast. It's
• 21:04
  Speaker 1: amazing how much attention this issue has gotten in liberal circles.
• 21:09
  Speaker 1: As if her going on Joe Rogan would have potentially
• 21:12
  Speaker 1: won her the presidency. I don't think her going on
• 21:16
  Speaker 1: Joe Rogan would have gone very well. You know, it's
• 21:19
  Speaker 1: possible that Joe might have ended up going soft on
• 21:22
  Speaker 1: her and that she could have gotten through it, but
• 21:26
  Speaker 1: I don't think so. I think that it would have
• 21:29
  Speaker 1: been bad for Harris to go on Rogan. It's possible
• 21:32
  Speaker 1: that somebody in the campaign realized that there are I
• 21:36
  Speaker 1: guess you would call them either rumors or maybe a
• 21:39
  Speaker 1: little bit more substantive than rumors, that there were elements
• 21:42
  Speaker 1: of the Harris campaign that didn't want to go on
• 21:45
  Speaker 1: Rogan because Rogan is too politically incorrect and might offend
• 21:48
  Speaker 1: some of her base level of support among progressives. You know,
• 21:55
  Speaker 1: we know how liberals view these things. You're not allowed
• 21:58
  Speaker 1: to do certain things. Joe Rogan is obvious see, very
• 22:01
  Speaker 1: politically incorrect based upon those set of rules. And so
• 22:05
  Speaker 1: it would not surprise me at all if there were
• 22:07
  Speaker 1: elements of the Harris campaign that was like, no, no.
• 22:09
  Speaker 2: No, we can't do Joe Rogan.
• 22:11
  Speaker 1: That you know, that's against our religion to do Joe Rogan.
• 22:16
  Speaker 1: But and that's part of why this question was asked,
• 22:19
  Speaker 1: and Stephanie Cutter in the response doesn't really even come
• 22:23
  Speaker 1: close to saying anything about the issue of Joe Rogan
• 22:26
  Speaker 1: being politically incorrect. She pretends that this almost happened, that
• 22:31
  Speaker 1: they wanted it to happen, but that it was just
• 22:34
  Speaker 1: a logistical issue with regard to travel and trying to
• 22:39
  Speaker 1: determine what was the.
• 22:40
  Speaker 2: Priority, and even in.
• 22:43
  Speaker 1: Trying to answer this question, she basically has to admit, well,
• 22:47
  Speaker 1: we were in Houston where Joe Rogan is for another
• 22:51
  Speaker 1: event involving Beyonce, which was a disaster because Beyonce was
• 22:56
  Speaker 1: rumored to perform. It was presumed that she was going
• 22:59
  Speaker 1: to perform. That's why I got a big crowd. And
• 23:01
  Speaker 1: all she did was show up and endorse Harris for
• 23:04
  Speaker 1: a very short period of time and may have been
• 23:07
  Speaker 1: paid a significant amount of money for that, and so
• 23:10
  Speaker 1: it did not help Harris at all.
• 23:12
  Speaker 2: But she did not do Joe Rogan while there.
• 23:15
  Speaker 1: Well, here was Stephanie Cutter's response when asked on Podsave
• 23:19
  Speaker 1: America about why they didn't do the Joe Rogan podcast.
• 23:25
  Speaker 6: Shouldkama Harris have gone on Rogan? Can you can you
• 23:29
  Speaker 6: just not to be tedious about it? Could you talk
• 23:31
  Speaker 6: a little bit about how close she came to doing it,
• 23:34
  Speaker 6: why it didn't happen.
• 23:35
  Speaker 7: Yeah, there's a lot of intrigue around this, a lot
• 23:38
  Speaker 7: of theories. It's it's pretty simple. We wanted to do it,
• 23:44
  Speaker 7: you know. I hate to repeat this over and over,
• 23:47
  Speaker 7: but it was a very short race. With a limited
• 23:49
  Speaker 7: number of days, and for a candidate to leave the
• 23:54
  Speaker 7: battleground to go to Houston, which is a day off
• 24:00
  Speaker 7: the playing field in the battleground. You know, getting that
• 24:04
  Speaker 7: timing right is really important. So we had discussions with
• 24:10
  Speaker 7: Joe Rogan's team. They were great. Uh, they wanted us
• 24:14
  Speaker 7: to come on, We wanted to come on. We tried
• 24:16
  Speaker 7: to get a date to make it work, and ultimately
• 24:18
  Speaker 7: we just weren't able to find a date. We did
• 24:21
  Speaker 7: go to Houston and she gave a great speech at
• 24:25
  Speaker 7: an amazing event. Yes, well, I'm going to call it
• 24:29
  Speaker 7: reproductive freedom, and because Texas is ground zero for the
• 24:35
  Speaker 7: impact of these Trump abortion bands, there's a story out
• 24:38
  Speaker 7: today in fact, of another young woman who lost her
• 24:41
  Speaker 7: life because of it, and we were hoping to be
• 24:44
  Speaker 7: able to fit it in around that and ultimately weren't
• 24:48
  Speaker 7: able to do it. As it turns out, that was
• 24:50
  Speaker 7: the day that Trump was taping his Joe Rogan so
• 24:54
  Speaker 7: which they had never confirmed to us. We kind of
• 24:56
  Speaker 7: figured that out. Uh, in the lead up to it,
• 25:00
  Speaker 7: you know, she was ready willing to go on Joe Rogan.
• 25:05
  Speaker 7: Would it have changed anything, you know, it would have
• 25:08
  Speaker 7: been it would have broken through, not because of the
• 25:12
  Speaker 7: conversation with Joe Rogan, but because the fact that she
• 25:15
  Speaker 7: was doing it and that was really the benefit of it.
• 25:18
  Speaker 7: Will she do it sometime in the future maybe, Who knows.
• 25:23
  Speaker 1: Now that answer, I'm not sure is completely sincere. There
• 25:28
  Speaker 1: may be some effort there to obfuscate the truth of
• 25:33
  Speaker 1: the matter in retrospect. I don't know, But to me,
• 25:37
  Speaker 1: it's also consistent with this idea that this campaign was clueless.
• 25:41
  Speaker 2: So you decide, let's pretend they're telling the truth.
• 25:44
  Speaker 1: You decide that it makes more sense to go to
• 25:49
  Speaker 1: Houston to do this ridiculous event where Beyonce is rumored
• 25:56
  Speaker 1: to perform but only does a very short endorsement. You
• 26:00
  Speaker 1: end up pissing off a lot of people, both in
• 26:03
  Speaker 1: Houston and nationwide. It got mocked because it was the
• 26:07
  Speaker 1: second time. That's an important part of the contact here.
• 26:10
  Speaker 1: It was the second time that there was rumored to
• 26:13
  Speaker 1: be a Beyonce performance connected to the Harris campaign. The
• 26:17
  Speaker 1: first occurred to the Democratic Convention, where Beyonce never even
• 26:21
  Speaker 1: was there, and the media jumped all over that possibility. Well, similarly,
• 26:25
  Speaker 1: in this Houston event, it was presumed that if you're
• 26:28
  Speaker 1: going to do this in a stadium, and you know
• 26:31
  Speaker 1: Beyonce is going to be there, that there would be
• 26:33
  Speaker 1: some sort of a performance, but there was not, And
• 26:37
  Speaker 1: so you decide that that is more valuable. By the way,
• 26:40
  Speaker 1: it's going to cost you a hell of a lot
• 26:43
  Speaker 1: more money. I have no idea how much the use
• 26:45
  Speaker 1: of the event costs the Harris campaign, but you know,
• 26:49
  Speaker 1: millions of dollars more They wouldn't it would have cost
• 26:52
  Speaker 1: for her to go to Joe Rogan's studio and speak
• 26:56
  Speaker 1: to However, many millions of people would have listen.
• 27:00
  Speaker 2: Sender watched that podcast with Joe Rogan.
• 27:03
  Speaker 1: So it's just a stupid decision from the standpoint of
• 27:07
  Speaker 1: reaching people. But I got to believe that it's not
• 27:10
  Speaker 1: an actually honest answer, at least not in totality. I
• 27:14
  Speaker 1: think that they somebody realized that if she went on
• 27:18
  Speaker 1: Joe Rogan it was not going to go well. I mean,
• 27:20
  Speaker 1: she couldn't have She couldn't even get through the view
• 27:23
  Speaker 1: without screwing up. So the idea of her doing two
• 27:26
  Speaker 1: or three hours with Joe Rogan or anybody frankly that
• 27:30
  Speaker 1: was going to give her any sort of pushback would
• 27:33
  Speaker 1: have been disastrous. So I think that that answer, well,
• 27:37
  Speaker 1: certainly clueless, is much more disingenuous than the first answer
• 27:42
  Speaker 1: I played from General Malley Dylan about blaming the news
• 27:45
  Speaker 1: media and their narratives and somehow, you know, giving Trump
• 27:49
  Speaker 1: a pass. I didn't even mention that part with regard
• 27:51
  Speaker 1: to Geno Mallley Dylan. I mean, giving Trump a pass.
• 27:55
  Speaker 1: Trump was doing every interview imaginable. I should have mentioned
• 27:58
  Speaker 1: that previously. I mean, that's that is delusional if you
• 28:02
  Speaker 1: really think that somehow, you know, Donald Trump was showing
• 28:05
  Speaker 1: that he was afraid to do interviews. Now, there were
• 28:09
  Speaker 1: certain liberal outlets that he would not do interviews with,
• 28:11
  Speaker 1: so I guess in their minds that's what they're talking about.
• 28:15
  Speaker 1: But you know, from the public's perspective, I don't know
• 28:19
  Speaker 1: that they look at it that way anymore. I think
• 28:22
  Speaker 1: that this was the first election where there really was
• 28:24
  Speaker 1: no difference in public perception between doing Call your Daddy
• 28:29
  Speaker 1: or Joe Rogan or what have you, and doing interviews
• 28:33
  Speaker 1: with the major television news networks. That those differences in
• 28:37
  Speaker 1: the minds of most voters has basically dissipated. And I'm
• 28:42
  Speaker 1: not sure that's all for the good, by the way,
• 28:44
  Speaker 1: but that's the reality of it, and the Harris campaign
• 28:48
  Speaker 1: didn't seem to understand that.
• 28:50
  Speaker 2: Now, there was another revelation that.
• 28:52
  Speaker 1: Was made during these interviews, although this was a separate
• 28:55
  Speaker 1: interview from Pod Save America, but there was a Harris
• 29:00
  Speaker 1: strategist that said publicly that their internal polling never showed
• 29:07
  Speaker 1: them being ahead.
• 29:09
  Speaker 2: During the entire period of time.
• 29:11
  Speaker 1: When she was in the race. Now, I presume that's
• 29:16
  Speaker 1: the truth. I mean, there is some self interest in
• 29:21
  Speaker 1: saying that, even if it's not the truth, because if
• 29:23
  Speaker 1: you're part of a losing campaign, right, there is benefit
• 29:28
  Speaker 1: to claiming, well, we never really had a chance. We
• 29:30
  Speaker 1: were always the underdog, we were always losing. We just
• 29:33
  Speaker 1: couldn't pull this off. And frankly, we didn't do all
• 29:37
  Speaker 1: that badly because if you believe them, they were never
• 29:40
  Speaker 1: leading in the internal polls, that they were confused by
• 29:43
  Speaker 1: these public polls at the end of September early October
• 29:47
  Speaker 1: that were showing them ahead nationally and starting to for
• 29:51
  Speaker 1: at least a few days, starting to break away from
• 29:54
  Speaker 1: Donald Trump. I'm sure you remember that from our podcast,
• 29:58
  Speaker 1: because it was at that time when I was buying
• 30:00
  Speaker 1: into the idea that Harris could win this with over
• 30:03
  Speaker 1: three hundred Electoral College votes and that she would win
• 30:06
  Speaker 1: the popular vote by about two or three points. That's
• 30:11
  Speaker 1: what it looked like based upon the polling. Well, they're
• 30:14
  Speaker 1: now claiming, or at least this one advisor is now
• 30:17
  Speaker 1: is not claiming, that that was never the case, that
• 30:20
  Speaker 1: their internal polls showed a very different story and that
• 30:24
  Speaker 1: they were never going to win.
• 30:26
  Speaker 2: If we presume that's.
• 30:28
  Speaker 1: True, well, then that raises a whole series of questions.
• 30:33
  Speaker 1: And by the way, if it is true, it indicates
• 30:36
  Speaker 1: that I was completely and totally wrong when just a
• 30:39
  Speaker 1: couple of days before the election I misinterpreted a non
• 30:45
  Speaker 1: answer by Kamala Harris here in California when it came
• 30:48
  Speaker 1: to whether or not she was going to vote for
• 30:51
  Speaker 1: Proposition thirty six, the so called make crime Illegal Again proposition.
• 30:56
  Speaker 1: If you recall, I thought that that was a tell,
• 31:01
  Speaker 1: that that was a major tea leaf that indicated that
• 31:05
  Speaker 1: the Harris campaign thought they were going to win. And
• 31:09
  Speaker 1: now I said at the time, that doesn't mean they're
• 31:10
  Speaker 1: gonna win, but it indicated to me that they thought
• 31:14
  Speaker 1: they were going to win. Because I could not figure
• 31:18
  Speaker 1: out and to this day, I can still not figure
• 31:20
  Speaker 1: out in fact that maybe more perplexed now than I
• 31:23
  Speaker 1: was then when I incorrectly presumed that the only reason,
• 31:28
  Speaker 1: the only logical political reason, that you would dodge that question.
• 31:31
  Speaker 1: So you're asked a softball, Hey, well, how did you
• 31:34
  Speaker 1: vote on Proposition thirty six? You're a California voter, you're
• 31:37
  Speaker 1: the former attorney general of the state of California, so
• 31:40
  Speaker 1: this is incredibly relevant to your history, your biography, your campaign,
• 31:47
  Speaker 1: what you're all about. How did you vote on Prop
• 31:50
  Speaker 1: thirty six? Incredibly legitimate question that frankly should have been
• 31:53
  Speaker 1: asked way before the last couple of days of the campaign,
• 31:57
  Speaker 1: and she refused to.
• 31:59
  Speaker 2: Answer it, And I thought, okay, the only way.
• 32:04
  Speaker 1: And it's important to point out this was not a
• 32:07
  Speaker 1: normal word salad dodge.
• 32:10
  Speaker 2: We all know the word salad dodge from Kamala Harris.
• 32:14
  Speaker 2: This wasn't that.
• 32:15
  Speaker 1: This sounded to me like it was a predetermined answer that.
• 32:21
  Speaker 2: She didn't want to, you know, somehow influence.
• 32:24
  Speaker 1: The vote, which didn't make any sense, you know, from
• 32:27
  Speaker 1: a from a logical perspective, but she was going to
• 32:31
  Speaker 1: keep that private.
• 32:32
  Speaker 2: To me, it felt very.
• 32:34
  Speaker 1: Much like this was the campaign deciding ahead of time,
• 32:38
  Speaker 1: this is how we're going to answer this question if
• 32:41
  Speaker 1: we get it, because it was a question you could
• 32:43
  Speaker 1: have easily anticipated getting, especially since you were in California
• 32:47
  Speaker 1: and given the fact that you were the attorney general
• 32:50
  Speaker 1: of the state not that long ago. Well, for her
• 32:53
  Speaker 1: to decide to take a dodge, or her campaign to
• 32:55
  Speaker 1: decide that she's going to take a dodge on this
• 32:58
  Speaker 1: is baffling to me, because this was going to pass
• 33:03
  Speaker 1: in California. It did pass in California very easily, and
• 33:06
  Speaker 1: it gave her an incredible opportunity to show the people
• 33:11
  Speaker 1: of Wisconsin and Michigan and Pennsylvania, you know, the moderate voters,
• 33:17
  Speaker 1: the swing voters who might be a little bit hesitant
• 33:20
  Speaker 1: about her, that she is totally on board with common sense,
• 33:25
  Speaker 1: rational solutions to problems like crime. And it would also
• 33:30
  Speaker 1: would have would have highlighted her prosecutorial background, which was
• 33:36
  Speaker 1: greatly overblown, but that she referenced all the time.
• 33:39
  Speaker 2: You know, I'm a prosecutor, I'm a prosecutor. Well show
• 33:43
  Speaker 2: us that side of you here.
• 33:46
  Speaker 1: You're going to be heavily strongly in favor of this
• 33:50
  Speaker 1: very popular common sense proposition to restore some semblance of
• 33:54
  Speaker 1: sanity in California. And she dodged it seemingly on purpose,
• 34:01
  Speaker 1: and I thought that was taking a knee. That's not
• 34:05
  Speaker 1: wanting to do anything to disrupt the apple cart in
• 34:08
  Speaker 1: the final days of the campaign, because they're confident they're
• 34:10
  Speaker 1: gonna win.
• 34:11
  Speaker 2: Now, is it possible?
• 34:13
  Speaker 1: Is it possible that they were still giving her the
• 34:17
  Speaker 1: impression that they're gonna win because people fool themselves all
• 34:22
  Speaker 1: the time. It is, you know, people, it's human nature,
• 34:25
  Speaker 1: and we've seen this in almost every presidential campaign. Almost
• 34:29
  Speaker 1: every presidential campaign thinks that things are better at the
• 34:32
  Speaker 1: end than they actually are.
• 34:35
  Speaker 2: And I said this in the time.
• 34:36
  Speaker 1: I thought both campaigns were acting as if they were
• 34:39
  Speaker 1: about to win, which is why I thought it was
• 34:41
  Speaker 1: going to be super maybe unprecedentedly close. Well, I clearly
• 34:47
  Speaker 1: misinterpreted that situation. It's still possible in my brain that
• 34:52
  Speaker 1: maybe Harris thought she was gonna win, and that maybe
• 34:55
  Speaker 1: the people closest to her advised her to just to
• 34:58
  Speaker 1: take a pass on that. The other possibility, by the way,
• 35:03
  Speaker 1: which is more consistent with what we now know about
• 35:06
  Speaker 1: the inner workings of the Airs campaign, is that these
• 35:08
  Speaker 1: people were fucking clueless and they didn't see the opportunity
• 35:12
  Speaker 1: in front of them, maybe because they're just too damn
• 35:15
  Speaker 1: woke to understand it. I think it's possible they were
• 35:20
  Speaker 1: terrified of offending their own progressive base by doing anything
• 35:24
  Speaker 1: that appealed to middle of the road, common sense people
• 35:31
  Speaker 1: who were obviously in favor.
• 35:32
  Speaker 2: Of something like proposition thirty six.
• 35:35
  Speaker 1: So I still don't know for sure what the hell
• 35:37
  Speaker 1: happened there, but interpreting it now through the information we
• 35:41
  Speaker 1: currently have, I no longer have any faith at all
• 35:45
  Speaker 1: that the Harris campaign knew what the hell they were doing,
• 35:48
  Speaker 1: that they were thinking.
• 35:48
  Speaker 2: Logically, it might have just been.
• 35:53
  Speaker 1: An answer that she didn't want to answer a question
• 35:55
  Speaker 1: she didn't want to answer, because it could have been
• 35:57
  Speaker 1: as simple as that. But it was, and I'm not
• 35:59
  Speaker 1: suggest it would have changed the outcome of the campaign,
• 36:03
  Speaker 1: But in retrospect, it was completely idiotic to not use
• 36:07
  Speaker 1: that issue as an opportunity to prove to the world
• 36:11
  Speaker 1: that you are not a left wing nut job, and
• 36:16
  Speaker 1: they decided to take a pass on that.
• 36:18
  Speaker 8: They decided to not even take a position they didn't
• 36:21
  Speaker 8: appeal to anybody, which in my mind, only made sense
• 36:26
  Speaker 8: if they thought they were going to win.
• 36:29
  Speaker 2: But we now have information that.
• 36:31
  Speaker 1: That was not the case, that they did not think
• 36:33
  Speaker 1: that they were going to win, that they were never
• 36:35
  Speaker 1: ahead and were always behind, at least seemingly most of
• 36:40
  Speaker 1: the campaign. The short period of time that she was
• 36:43
  Speaker 1: in the race, they were mostly behind. Which is also
• 36:46
  Speaker 1: confusing to me because, as I referenced in an interview
• 36:49
  Speaker 1: with Steve Cortes, who was running the one of the
• 36:52
  Speaker 1: Trump political action committees, that are not technically a political
• 36:56
  Speaker 1: action committee, but for all intentsive purposes, that's what it
• 36:59
  Speaker 1: was acting at for which I was consulting. Steve's in polling,
• 37:04
  Speaker 1: which was most of which was made public, never showed
• 37:07
  Speaker 1: Trump winning any of the Blue Wall states, not one time. Now,
• 37:11
  Speaker 1: there were several where he was tied or down a point.
• 37:15
  Speaker 1: But that was part of why I thought the RAS
• 37:18
  Speaker 1: was going to be super close, that unprecedentedly close, and
• 37:22
  Speaker 1: I just thought she would probably pull it out in
• 37:25
  Speaker 1: those three Blue Wall states because those were democratic states
• 37:29
  Speaker 1: with democratic establishments.
• 37:30
  Speaker 2: They were away gains or Trump.
• 37:32
  Speaker 1: They were all going to be super close, but that
• 37:34
  Speaker 1: Harris was likely to pull them out.
• 37:36
  Speaker 2: I wasn't sure about that. I wasn't confident about that,
• 37:38
  Speaker 2: but that was my prediction.
• 37:40
  Speaker 1: Part of that was based on the polling that I
• 37:43
  Speaker 1: had seen from Steve Cortes, where there was never any
• 37:46
  Speaker 1: indication Trump was ahead in any of those key blue
• 37:50
  Speaker 1: Wall states. Well, now the Harris A Campaign is trying
• 37:53
  Speaker 1: to tell us they were never ahead either, and they
• 37:56
  Speaker 1: felt like they were behind.
• 37:57
  Speaker 2: In fact, they were confused by the public polling.
• 38:01
  Speaker 1: Now, again, there is some self interest in portraying that
• 38:06
  Speaker 1: to be the reality after you've lost, but I tend
• 38:10
  Speaker 1: to believe it because if it wasn't true, there would
• 38:13
  Speaker 1: be an incentive for other people within the Harris campaign,
• 38:16
  Speaker 1: especially those in the polling, to come forward and say, well,
• 38:19
  Speaker 1: now that wasn't actually true.
• 38:21
  Speaker 2: And to my knowledge that has not happened.
• 38:23
  Speaker 1: But the bottom line of all this is, here's the
• 38:26
  Speaker 1: bottom line. Harris was a terrible candidate, and we have
• 38:30
  Speaker 1: more evidence to support that the belief, and the Harris
• 38:36
  Speaker 1: campaign was poorly run, and we have more evidence now
• 38:41
  Speaker 1: to support that belief. And now you must look at
• 38:45
  Speaker 1: everything that happened through the prism of that reality, and
• 38:51
  Speaker 1: the spending of a billion dollars in highly dubious ways
• 38:55
  Speaker 1: looks way worse now. Using that wizard of Us metaphor,
• 39:01
  Speaker 1: pay no attention to the white women behind the curtain.
• 39:05
  Speaker 2: They were frauds.
• 39:06
  Speaker 1: So it already looked bad when you blew a billion
• 39:09
  Speaker 1: dollars in the way that you did in a losing campaign.
• 39:13
  Speaker 1: But now that we have heard the explanation, and I'm
• 39:17
  Speaker 1: telling you, liberals are pissed about this. I've seen some
• 39:21
  Speaker 1: really ticked off liberals responding specifically to the pod Save
• 39:27
  Speaker 1: America interviews with the Harris campaign strategist.
• 39:31
  Speaker 2: I mean, this went really badly, very very poorly, and.
• 39:38
  Speaker 1: It's kind of amazing that Trump didn't win by more
• 39:41
  Speaker 1: given what we now seem to know about Harris herself
• 39:45
  Speaker 1: and the Harris campaign.
• 39:46
  Speaker 2: But I always say, I always say that the.
• 39:50
  Speaker 1: Truth will come out eventually, especially after major events, right
• 39:55
  Speaker 1: you know, divorces, firings, deaths, retirements, court cases, and major elections,
• 40:06
  Speaker 1: because all of a sudden, the incentive structure changes and
• 40:09
  Speaker 1: people are more willing to come forward. Doesn't mean they're
• 40:12
  Speaker 1: always telling the truth, but they're coming forward with a
• 40:15
  Speaker 1: version of the truth that can often tell you a
• 40:17
  Speaker 1: lot about what really happened.
• 40:19
  Speaker 2: And what really happened here was that Trump was once
• 40:23
  Speaker 2: again rather fortunate.
• 40:25
  Speaker 1: Trump the luckiest man who in the history of politics
• 40:29
  Speaker 1: probably was very, very fortunate to have Harris and this
• 40:33
  Speaker 1: Harris campaign as his opponent, and that's a large part
• 40:38
  Speaker 1: of why he won. Now you know, what he have
• 40:40
  Speaker 1: won under any circumstances, We'll never know, but it is
• 40:44
  Speaker 1: important to point out it wasn't.
• 40:47
  Speaker 2: That much of a blowout.
• 40:49
  Speaker 1: I know that there are Trump fads who hate it
• 40:52
  Speaker 1: when you try to diminish or seemingly try to diminish
• 40:55
  Speaker 1: Trump's victory.
• 40:56
  Speaker 2: I'm not doing that.
• 40:57
  Speaker 1: Yes, he won the popular vote by at a point
• 41:00
  Speaker 1: and a half it looks like, which is amazing and
• 41:03
  Speaker 1: surprising and an indication of a lot of things, one
• 41:07
  Speaker 1: of which is just that Harris was a terrible candidate.
• 41:11
  Speaker 1: And he also won the electoral college. But he only
• 41:14
  Speaker 1: won the electoral college winning all the states where people
• 41:17
  Speaker 1: gave him a very good chance to win. He didn't
• 41:19
  Speaker 1: win any states outside of that that group of seven
• 41:23
  Speaker 1: swing state category that he won all seven of those states.
• 41:27
  Speaker 1: I thought he would win four of them and he
• 41:28
  Speaker 1: would lose the other three in very very tight races.
• 41:32
  Speaker 2: But he won all seven. He deserves credit for that.
• 41:35
  Speaker 1: But this was not some sort of a massive blowout
• 41:38
  Speaker 1: we're seeing on the House side that.
• 41:43
  Speaker 2: You know, as I predicted.
• 41:44
  Speaker 1: This is one of my predictions actually came true from
• 41:46
  Speaker 1: this election. I said that here in California, Republicans were
• 41:50
  Speaker 1: going to lose three to five incumbent seats because those
• 41:55
  Speaker 1: were representatives that were hanging on for dear life in
• 41:58
  Speaker 1: twenty twenty two, and that with an increased turnout in
• 42:02
  Speaker 1: twenty twenty four with Harris from California on the ballot,
• 42:05
  Speaker 1: with Trump on the ballot, which drives liberal turnout, I
• 42:10
  Speaker 1: did not think that those Republican incumbents were going to
• 42:12
  Speaker 1: be able to survive. Well, we now seemingly know that
• 42:17
  Speaker 1: with late votes breaking for Democrats, and I get it
• 42:20
  Speaker 1: why people are being driven crazy by this three weeks later.
• 42:24
  Speaker 1: But as of right now, it looks like Republicans are
• 42:26
  Speaker 1: going to lose four four incumbent seats in California, a
• 42:32
  Speaker 1: state where despite Harris being on the ballot, Trump did better,
• 42:36
  Speaker 1: significantly better statewide than he did in twenty twenty and
• 42:41
  Speaker 1: yet somehow California is going to give four more Members
• 42:46
  Speaker 1: of the House representatives to Democrats. Incumbent Republicans for them.
• 42:51
  Speaker 1: Right now, it looks like are going to lose. And
• 42:54
  Speaker 1: it was based upon that prediction that I thought Democrats
• 42:58
  Speaker 1: would control the House by I have very very small majority.
• 43:02
  Speaker 2: Well that's not going to happen.
• 43:04
  Speaker 1: Republicans are going to control the House, quote unquote, but
• 43:08
  Speaker 1: because of these four races that have gone to Democrats
• 43:13
  Speaker 1: that were very very tight, and two of them were
• 43:16
  Speaker 1: super tight, where the Republican was leading two three weeks
• 43:20
  Speaker 1: after the election, and then all of a sudden, the
• 43:22
  Speaker 1: Democrat has taken the lead by a couple of hundred votes.
• 43:25
  Speaker 1: And generally once that happens, there's no going back, at
• 43:29
  Speaker 1: least based upon my view of the way this works
• 43:32
  Speaker 1: in California. I've explained why that is in a previous podcast.
• 43:36
  Speaker 1: It's not necessarily because of corruption, but I can understand
• 43:39
  Speaker 1: why people presume that it is. But anyway, here's the
• 43:42
  Speaker 1: problem with this. When you lose those four seats that
• 43:48
  Speaker 1: were incumbent Republicans in California, now your majority in the
• 43:53
  Speaker 1: House is razor thin, razor thin, and Trump has already
• 43:59
  Speaker 1: hicked because.
• 44:01
  Speaker 2: Of his picks, and Matt Gates is under this umbrella.
• 44:04
  Speaker 1: You know, Matt Gates is no longer going to be
• 44:07
  Speaker 1: in the House of Representatives, even though for a couple
• 44:09
  Speaker 1: of days that looked like he might be the next
• 44:11
  Speaker 1: Attorney General of the United States. It's an amazing story
• 44:14
  Speaker 1: that I still don't have a really good explanation for
• 44:17
  Speaker 1: why it went down that way.
• 44:18
  Speaker 2: But here's the reality.
• 44:21
  Speaker 1: Because of Trump's picks for his administration, there's going to
• 44:24
  Speaker 1: be three three special elections for Republican held congressional seats.
• 44:32
  Speaker 2: Now, the first thing there is that that means that
• 44:35
  Speaker 2: there's going to be a delay.
• 44:37
  Speaker 1: I mean, in Florida, they're not going to be able
• 44:38
  Speaker 1: to have a special election until April. So those are
• 44:42
  Speaker 1: three Republican seats that are not going to be filled.
• 44:47
  Speaker 1: Those are three votes that are gone, which means it
• 44:52
  Speaker 1: looks right like right now that in the short run,
• 44:56
  Speaker 1: the Republican majority in the House, partially thanks to Trump's picks,
• 45:00
  Speaker 1: partially because of what's happened here in California, exactly as
• 45:04
  Speaker 1: I predicted, is going to.
• 45:05
  Speaker 2: Be two votes.
• 45:07
  Speaker 1: Two votes, which means if you have you know, two
• 45:14
  Speaker 1: Republican or three, let's say three, which would be a lot,
• 45:17
  Speaker 1: but it's still possible you have three Republican congress people
• 45:21
  Speaker 1: who get sick or die or get involved in a
• 45:25
  Speaker 1: major scandal and have to resign, which is certainly plausible
• 45:31
  Speaker 1: Democrats would effectively control the House of Representatives if it
• 45:35
  Speaker 1: happened in this this you know, short but not super
• 45:39
  Speaker 1: short time period before all these special elections happen, and
• 45:42
  Speaker 1: then special elections are a crap shoot. Republicans have not
• 45:47
  Speaker 1: done well in special elections in recent years. It used
• 45:50
  Speaker 1: to be the Republicans did very well in special elections,
• 45:53
  Speaker 1: but that has not been the case in recent history.
• 45:57
  Speaker 1: So it's possible Republicans could even lose one or two
• 46:01
  Speaker 1: of these. Not likely, but it's certainly possible they could
• 46:04
  Speaker 1: lose some of these special elections. The bottom line is
• 46:08
  Speaker 1: the House majority is beyond razor thin. But the only
• 46:12
  Speaker 1: good part of that is you don't have Matt Gets
• 46:14
  Speaker 1: around to stir up trouble for Speaker Johnson.
• 46:19
  Speaker 2: But this is a very precarious.
• 46:22
  Speaker 1: Situation in the House, and it has been exacerbated by
• 46:27
  Speaker 1: Trump I think being overconfident in causing these three special elections,
• 46:32
  Speaker 1: as well as maybe and this was probably part of
• 46:35
  Speaker 1: the equation. I think they might have thought that at
• 46:38
  Speaker 1: least two of these California seats were going to stay
• 46:42
  Speaker 1: in Republican hands and give them a little bit more
• 46:44
  Speaker 1: breathing room.
• 46:45
  Speaker 2: But that has not been the case.
• 46:47
  Speaker 1: And as I predicted, it looks like four Republican incumbents
• 46:52
  Speaker 1: are going to lose in California. But it's not going
• 46:55
  Speaker 1: to cause Republicans control of the House, at least not
• 46:58
  Speaker 1: right now, bar other dominoes falling. So that's the situation
• 47:04
  Speaker 1: with regard to the House of Representatives. I want to mention,
• 47:08
  Speaker 1: speaking of Kamala Harris and loser Democratic presidential candidates, I
• 47:13
  Speaker 1: have to play a clip from another member of this
• 47:17
  Speaker 1: group of discredited Democratic losers, John Carey, and I've said
• 47:22
  Speaker 1: often that it's a weird thing that happens to Democratic
• 47:26
  Speaker 1: candidates when they lose the presidency.
• 47:28
  Speaker 2: I mean, the track record here is awful. I mean,
• 47:32
  Speaker 2: in recent.
• 47:33
  Speaker 1: History, they have not only lost the presidency, they've lost
• 47:38
  Speaker 1: their goddamn minds.
• 47:40
  Speaker 2: And that's not an exaggeration. And maybe we're already seeing that.
• 47:44
  Speaker 1: With regard to Harris and this clip that's being mocked online,
• 47:48
  Speaker 1: maybe she's starting to lose her mind too.
• 47:51
  Speaker 2: But al Gore completely lost it.
• 47:54
  Speaker 1: He was given the consolation prize of the whole issue
• 47:57
  Speaker 1: of climate change or was global warming back then global
• 48:00
  Speaker 1: warming climate change, and you know he's given this this
• 48:04
  Speaker 1: Oscar for a movie is a consolation prize, the bullshit
• 48:07
  Speaker 1: movie Inconvenient Truth, and he's completely gone off.
• 48:13
  Speaker 2: The deep end.
• 48:14
  Speaker 1: And look, I actually kind of understand that one, because
• 48:17
  Speaker 1: this is a guy who lost the presidency by less
• 48:20
  Speaker 1: than six hundred votes in Florida after an extremely contentious
• 48:24
  Speaker 1: post election situation that involved all sorts of court cases.
• 48:28
  Speaker 1: So I somewhat understood why Al Gore lost lost his mind.
• 48:34
  Speaker 2: John Carrey has also lost his mind.
• 48:36
  Speaker 1: I think you can argue that Hillary Clinton has gone
• 48:39
  Speaker 1: off the deep end in a lot of ways, and
• 48:41
  Speaker 1: it'll be interesting to see whether not Kamala Harris goes
• 48:44
  Speaker 1: in the same direction. But John Carey, much like Al Gore,
• 48:50
  Speaker 1: got this consolation prize of somehow being the hero on
• 48:55
  Speaker 1: climate change.
• 48:56
  Speaker 2: He's kind of the climate czar, I guess you would
• 48:59
  Speaker 2: call him.
• 49:00
  Speaker 1: And he was doing a public event where he once again.
• 49:04
  Speaker 2: Showed what this is really all about.
• 49:06
  Speaker 1: The whole climate change global warming religion on the left
• 49:11
  Speaker 1: is really it really is about changing our way of life.
• 49:17
  Speaker 1: And the elitism here is off the charts. And this
• 49:21
  Speaker 1: is a guy who is super rich married to a
• 49:25
  Speaker 1: woman who is an heir to the Hinz fortune, which
• 49:30
  Speaker 1: is a huge part of why he's had the career
• 49:33
  Speaker 1: that he has had. He goes everywhere on private jets,
• 49:37
  Speaker 1: and I mean, he's the worst offender when it comes
• 49:40
  Speaker 1: to being a hypocrite on this issue of your behavior
• 49:44
  Speaker 1: and how it may somehow impact the climate, which is
• 49:48
  Speaker 1: just an absurd This whole thing is absurd. It is
• 49:52
  Speaker 1: a religion that is based on this idea that somehow
• 49:57
  Speaker 1: the United States should be leading the way and destroying
• 50:02
  Speaker 1: our own economy to try to fix a problem that
• 50:05
  Speaker 1: may not exist that we may have no control over
• 50:08
  Speaker 1: to begin with, and where other countries like China, who
• 50:13
  Speaker 1: have even more influenced, far more influence over carbon emissions
• 50:18
  Speaker 1: than we do, are not being forced to do anything.
• 50:21
  Speaker 1: So we are unilaterally disarming in this war that may
• 50:25
  Speaker 1: not even exist to.
• 50:28
  Speaker 2: Our own detriment.
• 50:29
  Speaker 1: And now Carrie is blaming people for not behaving, even
• 50:35
  Speaker 1: while he is the worst defender when it comes to
• 50:39
  Speaker 1: this idea of carbon footprint and what have you. So
• 50:43
  Speaker 1: here is John Kerry spewing more of this nonsense on
• 50:47
  Speaker 1: climate change and how it is that we need to
• 50:50
  Speaker 1: get people to behave properly and effectively destroy the US
• 50:55
  Speaker 1: economy to try this to fix this problem over which
• 50:58
  Speaker 1: we may have no control.
• 51:01
  Speaker 2: So I think.
• 51:02
  Speaker 5: Personally we're in the brink of needed to declare a
• 51:06
  Speaker 5: climate emergency, which is what we really have, and we
• 51:10
  Speaker 5: need to get people to behave as if this really
• 51:13
  Speaker 5: is a major transitional challenge to the whole planet, to everybody.
• 51:19
  Speaker 5: People in Africa don't have electricity, need to choose the
• 51:22
  Speaker 5: right kinds of electricity, and we need to help them
• 51:25
  Speaker 5: be able to afford it and do it. We are
• 51:27
  Speaker 5: the largest economy in the world twenty four trillion dollar
• 51:31
  Speaker 5: or twenty three trillion dollar economy, maybe more by now.
• 51:34
  Speaker 5: The next closest is China at about eighteen trillion, and
• 51:38
  Speaker 5: the next closest to the two of US Germany in
• 51:42
  Speaker 5: Japan at four trillion. That's how far it drops down.
• 51:47
  Speaker 5: You don't think we have some sort of obligation out
• 51:49
  Speaker 5: of that to be responsible. I think you do. But
• 51:52
  Speaker 5: I'm just saying that our country needs to talk about
• 51:56
  Speaker 5: this and we need to make it happen because we're
• 51:59
  Speaker 5: paying huge sums of money to make up the difference.
• 52:04
  Speaker 1: It's just absolutely amazing to me that this guy can
• 52:07
  Speaker 1: be taken seriously by anybody, and that to me that
• 52:12
  Speaker 1: clip really exposes what's really going on here, and if
• 52:16
  Speaker 1: people don't get it, then I guess it's their own
• 52:18
  Speaker 1: damn fault. But John Carey is very much in the
• 52:23
  Speaker 1: category of Al Gore.
• 52:24
  Speaker 2: He has lost his mind, and to a.
• 52:28
  Speaker 1: Lesser degree, I think Hillary Clinton lost her mind, and
• 52:30
  Speaker 1: it's quite possible Kamala Harris may be going down.
• 52:33
  Speaker 2: The same path. It must be a hell of a drug.
• 52:35
  Speaker 1: Must be a hell of a deal when you're the
• 52:38
  Speaker 1: Democratic presidential candidate and you lose in the twenty first century. Now,
• 52:43
  Speaker 1: obviously I am a great skeptic of any science based
• 52:49
  Speaker 1: narrative that the media and the liberals jump all over,
• 52:55
  Speaker 1: especially when it happens to dovetail with their political self interest.
• 53:00
  Speaker 1: We saw that I've connected climate change, global warming to
• 53:04
  Speaker 1: what happened with COVID many, many times, and there hasn't
• 53:08
  Speaker 1: been many victories at all when it comes to defeating
• 53:13
  Speaker 1: this insanity or elevating people who have fought against this insanity.
• 53:18
  Speaker 1: But I got to give Donald Trump some credit because
• 53:21
  Speaker 1: we finally have a really good example of vindication when
• 53:26
  Speaker 1: it comes to the entire COVID panic. In the last
• 53:29
  Speaker 1: episode of the podcast, I criticized Trump greatly for his
• 53:33
  Speaker 1: Surgeon General pick, a woman who appears to be a dingbat,
• 53:37
  Speaker 1: who still believes that masks work and that vaccines the
• 53:40
  Speaker 1: vaccine was awesome when it came to COVID, and was
• 53:43
  Speaker 1: still telling school children that they needed to mask up
• 53:47
  Speaker 1: in the fall of twenty twenty one, not twenty twenty
• 53:50
  Speaker 1: but twenty twenty one and wash their hands and social
• 53:55
  Speaker 1: distance and all sorts of things that turned out to
• 53:57
  Speaker 1: be complete, total, mostly bullshit. And I was very upset
• 54:02
  Speaker 1: by that Surgeon General pick. However, I think Trump is
• 54:07
  Speaker 1: basically made up for that with another healthcare choice, and
• 54:11
  Speaker 1: that is doctor J. Bodicharia, Stanford Professor, has been named
• 54:16
  Speaker 1: Director of the National Institutes of Health. Now you may
• 54:19
  Speaker 1: recall that doctor Bodacharia has been a guest on this podcast.
• 54:24
  Speaker 2: He is awesome.
• 54:26
  Speaker 1: I mean, based upon what I can tell, he is
• 54:29
  Speaker 1: the real deal. This is not just based upon my
• 54:33
  Speaker 1: interview with him, but my interaction with him outside of
• 54:36
  Speaker 1: the podcast. Not that it's been extensive, but I think
• 54:39
  Speaker 1: I get a pretty good sense of people pretty quickly,
• 54:42
  Speaker 1: and he's just amazing, super smart, not a grifter, not
• 54:47
  Speaker 1: a Trumpster, just somebody who believes in the truth, was
• 54:51
  Speaker 1: willing to stand up for the truth, figured out very
• 54:54
  Speaker 1: early on that we were reacting in a completely insane
• 54:57
  Speaker 1: way when it came to COVID. His analysis was fact based, database,
• 55:02
  Speaker 1: science based, logic based, and he stood up against the mob.
• 55:07
  Speaker 1: He stood up against the mob in twenty twenty, and
• 55:10
  Speaker 1: he suffered greatly.
• 55:12
  Speaker 2: And now for Trump to name him as the.
• 55:14
  Speaker 1: Director of the National Institutes of Health, you know, which
• 55:19
  Speaker 1: is an important position, probably substantively more important than the
• 55:22
  Speaker 1: surgeon general, though not as much in the in the limelight,
• 55:26
  Speaker 1: not as much in the public eye. Surgeon General is
• 55:30
  Speaker 1: more of a symbolic position. But from a real world
• 55:35
  Speaker 1: decision making perspective, Badacari is going to be right there.
• 55:39
  Speaker 2: Robert F.
• 55:40
  Speaker 1: Kennedy Junior was praising Badacharia and his selection, and so
• 55:45
  Speaker 1: basically they're going to be working together, which is an
• 55:48
  Speaker 1: interesting combination, especially.
• 55:50
  Speaker 2: Considering the fact that I consider RK.
• 55:52
  Speaker 1: Junior to be a nut and I believe that doctor
• 55:56
  Speaker 1: Bodicharia is a genius.
• 55:59
  Speaker 2: So that'll be an interesting relationship.
• 56:01
  Speaker 1: But there's so many elements of the Bodacharia pick that
• 56:04
  Speaker 1: are awesome. I wanted to pick at least one of them,
• 56:08
  Speaker 1: and This is a tweet by a guy by the
• 56:10
  Speaker 1: name of Greg Price, who has a really good Twitter feed,
• 56:14
  Speaker 1: even though he is a Trump supporter. But a lot
• 56:16
  Speaker 1: of good stuff from Greg Price, especially when it comes
• 56:20
  Speaker 1: to COVID and when it comes to the liberal media
• 56:23
  Speaker 1: in general. And he wrote about doctor Bodacharia's selection in
• 56:27
  Speaker 1: the following way. In October twenty twenty, doctor Bodicharia authored
• 56:32
  Speaker 1: the Great Barrington Declaration, which called for an end to
• 56:36
  Speaker 1: COVID lockdowns. Four days later, doctor Fauci and then NIH
• 56:43
  Speaker 1: director Francis Collins emailed each other to plot a quote
• 56:48
  Speaker 1: devastating takedown of its premises.
• 56:52
  Speaker 2: It wasn't long after.
• 56:54
  Speaker 1: That old Twitter began putting doctor Bodicharia on a blacklist
• 57:01
  Speaker 1: to prevent his tweets from trending. That scientist who was
• 57:05
  Speaker 1: censored and defamed by the government will now be leading
• 57:10
  Speaker 1: the very same NIH National Institutes of Health that had
• 57:16
  Speaker 1: been headed previously by Francis Collins, the guy who conspired
• 57:20
  Speaker 1: with doctor Fauci to take down doctor Bonacaria. So that's
• 57:26
  Speaker 1: that's a hell of a indication that Congratulations to doctor Bonacharia.
• 57:31
  Speaker 1: Kudos to Donald Trump for picking doctor Bardacharia.
• 57:35
  Speaker 2: I hope he'll have a real influence over things.
• 57:39
  Speaker 1: There's already been, you know, some hilarious and fantastic liberal.
• 57:44
  Speaker 2: Media reaction to this.
• 57:46
  Speaker 1: The BBC had a glorious headline about this. Trump picks
• 57:51
  Speaker 1: COVID lockdown critic to lead.
• 57:54
  Speaker 2: Top health agency. That's just fantastic.
• 57:58
  Speaker 1: So that may makes me very happy doctor Bodacharia getting
• 58:04
  Speaker 1: his vindication and hopefully being in a position to where
• 58:08
  Speaker 1: if anything like this happened again, he could step in
• 58:12
  Speaker 1: and have a real influence over making sure we don't
• 58:14
  Speaker 1: lose our goddamn minds again. Makes me feel a lot better,
• 58:18
  Speaker 1: makes me sleep better at night, and more importantly, from
• 58:23
  Speaker 1: a human perspective, this is one of those rare moments
• 58:26
  Speaker 1: of justice where the establishment when after somebody he stood up.
• 58:32
  Speaker 1: They took him down in the short run, but in
• 58:35
  Speaker 1: the end, at least as of right now, he ended
• 58:38
  Speaker 1: up winning.
• 58:39
  Speaker 2: And that's fantastic.
• 58:41
  Speaker 1: That is way bigger than even COVID accountability or COVID vindication.
• 58:48
  Speaker 1: So as far as I'm concerned, this is the best
• 58:52
  Speaker 1: pick that Trump has made, even though it's not the
• 58:54
  Speaker 1: most important, it's the best pick that Trump has made
• 58:57
  Speaker 1: so far and probably will make when it comes to
• 59:00
  Speaker 1: his second administration. That's just fantastic stuff. And congratulations to
• 59:05
  Speaker 1: doctor Bodicharia and kudos to Donald Trump. Thanks for listening
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