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The Favorites - NFL Talk with guest Danny Parkins · The Favorites Sports Betting Podcast

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Speaker 1: Welcome to the Favorites, the podcast presented by BET three
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Speaker 1: I am Chad Millman or the Action Network, and I'm
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Speaker 1: joined as always by my cost my companion Mike Campadre
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Speaker 1: might befa professional better Sigmon Hunter.
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Speaker 2: And also I'm in Chad. How are we doing?
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Speaker 1: I think you know because of where we spent the
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Speaker 1: weekend that I love a few things more than the
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Speaker 1: city of Chicago. And today we have a staple of
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Speaker 1: the Chicago sports scene, who, like so many people from Chicago,
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Speaker 1: has gone on to incredible heights higher than the Willits
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Speaker 1: Tower in his career because Chicago sports fans are so
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Speaker 1: good at turning their fandom him into content and turning
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Speaker 1: that content into gold. He has now launched into the
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Speaker 1: nationally prominent role at Fox Sports. You can catch his
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Speaker 1: beautiful face every morning on Breakfast Ball on FS one,
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Speaker 1: one of the Windy City's very finest. Welcome back to
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Speaker 1: the program, Danny parkins, my.
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Speaker 3: Brother, guys, thank you so much for having me on.
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Speaker 3: It's the Sears Tower forever. You said beautiful face, so
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Speaker 3: I know you're lying, but.
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Speaker 1: Thrill watches this, so it doesn't matter.
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Speaker 3: That's true, thank you. And yeah it is true about
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Speaker 3: Chicago sports fans. They're the best and the content, if
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Speaker 3: not the winning, they forgot the winning part. But the
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Speaker 3: content that the teams generate is world class. And the
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Speaker 3: city is of course as well. What's going on? Boys?
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Speaker 1: So we had an event, a live event with listeners.
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Speaker 1: A few hundred people showed up to Jo's on Weed. Oh, classic, classic, right,
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Speaker 1: just the best. Every single person when I would mention
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Speaker 1: we're doing an event at Joe's on Weed, if they
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Speaker 1: have any connection to Chicago, they'd be like, just the best,
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Speaker 1: like they've seen.
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Speaker 3: I got hammered with the old CFO of my company
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Speaker 3: at a holiday party at Joe at Joe's on Weed.
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Speaker 3: That was a good time. It also is just like
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Speaker 3: the bar name lends itself to a good time, but
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Speaker 3: there is really Weed Street. But they they they lean
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Speaker 3: into it in every way. Big bar, dive bar, reasonably
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Speaker 3: priced drinks, the ability for live entertainment. Yeah, very very
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Speaker 3: very good spot. Seeing some some good music. There, had
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Speaker 3: some nights that you forget there. It's it's a good time,
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Speaker 3: very good.
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Speaker 1: Simon Simon had a night he forgot there. Simon Simon
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Speaker 1: disappeared probably about two hours before I thought he would disappear.
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Speaker 1: Do you remember why you disappeared?
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Speaker 2: Uh? For a woman, But I told you I'm not
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Speaker 2: a huge drinker, and I literally woke up, went out
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Speaker 2: of clients, drink mimosas, and then we started boozing that
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Speaker 2: I don't even know if not we I should say
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Speaker 2: me like one thirty at this party. Parties start till
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Speaker 2: four thirty. By the time it hit eight nine o'clock,
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Speaker 2: I was like, okay, I'm about to start saying things
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Speaker 2: that I can't say at a company event. So I
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Speaker 2: made the right move. I got out there at the
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Speaker 2: right time. I did the I Love you guys on stage,
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Speaker 2: and then I just disappeared into the.
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Speaker 3: Crowd, a little irish exit by Simon. I respect that.
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Speaker 1: It was an irish so On Friday night, Danny Simon
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Speaker 1: wanted to go to the White Sox game, and you
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Speaker 1: know you're the one we told him that would be
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Speaker 1: a terrible idea. I told you might as well go
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Speaker 1: to Northern Indiana on the coldest day of the year.
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Speaker 1: Were we too harsh?
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Speaker 3: Well, I mean the food is great, That's what I
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Speaker 3: want to know.
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Speaker 2: For exactly thank you.
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Speaker 3: Yeah, the food is great. The craft beer selection is fantastic.
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Speaker 4: Uh.
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Speaker 3: You know, my guys out in the one o eight
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Speaker 3: are really cool. Socks fans are a good time, you know.
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Speaker 3: So all listen. I could think of worse things to do,
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Speaker 3: but let's put it this way. I've got a few
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Speaker 3: weekends already booked to go back to Chicago this summer,
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Speaker 3: and the White Sox are not on my agenda. So
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Speaker 3: you know, I could think of other things that I
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Speaker 3: would do, but if you know, I'm not gonna yuck
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Speaker 3: your yum. Some people like chocolate, some people like vanilla.
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Speaker 3: There's nothing wrong with it, fair enough, all right.
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Speaker 2: As the Flowers, Chad, they're two and two. It was
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Speaker 2: zero and five.
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Speaker 3: There they are two and two. They are pacing to
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Speaker 3: not be the worst team in the history of baseball.
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Speaker 1: restrictions apply. All right, Danny Yad, you're a man who
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Speaker 1: knows his way around the world of betting. You and
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Speaker 1: I first connected, I think seven eight years ago now
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Speaker 1: when we were talking betting on various radio shows during
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Speaker 1: NFL playoffs. You immediately struck me as someone who knew
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Speaker 1: the language and it was not doing this because, oh,
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Speaker 1: betting was the way to get famous. We had Chris
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Speaker 1: Filika on the show the other day and we were
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Speaker 1: talking about like how things have changed. And for about
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Speaker 1: two or three years it was just full of people
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Speaker 1: who want to talk betting to get famous. You come
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Speaker 1: by it naturally. Yeah, last year. Last year NFL rules changes.
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Speaker 1: They moved the kickoff kickoff if it wasn't if it
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Speaker 1: was a touchback, went to the thirty new rule change
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Speaker 1: as of this week, it goes to the thirty five,
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Speaker 1: hoping to get more kickoff returns into the game. It's
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Speaker 1: really a you know, it's quite a penalty there to
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Speaker 1: get to the thirty five. I felt like going to
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Speaker 1: the thirty had a huge impact on betting. Do you
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Speaker 1: feel like a thirty five yard line will have a
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Speaker 1: huge impact on betting?
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Speaker 3: Yeah, I mean I am in favor just from a
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Speaker 3: watchability standpoint of figuring out ways to get in more
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Speaker 3: returns into the game. So I think the thrust of
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Speaker 3: it is good. But it was you know, with how
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Speaker 3: hot the kickers started last year in the NFL. You
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Speaker 3: could get a touchback to the thirty, get two or
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Speaker 3: three first downs, and then Brandon Aubrey was banging field
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Speaker 3: goals through fifty five fifty seven yards like it was nothing,
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Speaker 3: and it was you know, like obviously that makes the
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Speaker 3: totals go up, and that's a place where you can
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Speaker 3: see it. You know, you could put more of a
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Speaker 3: value on teams with strong kickers. I advocated for the
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Speaker 3: Arena League actually, and like the narrowing of the uprights
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Speaker 3: because that was like the unintended consequence that I just
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Speaker 3: didn't like about it was that it made it felt
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Speaker 3: like it made the goal was to make kickers less impactful,
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Speaker 3: to make for more returns and exciting plays on special teams,
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Speaker 3: but it made them matter more because we saw more
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Speaker 3: field goal attempts, and we saw more long field goal attempts,
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Speaker 3: and I'm just not interested in that at all, both
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Speaker 3: from a gambling perspective and a watching the game perspective,
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Speaker 3: Like if I play fantasy football, I want to play
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Speaker 3: in leagues that don't have kickers because it just is
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Speaker 3: just not a part. It's not a fun part of
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Speaker 3: the game for me. So I do think that anything
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Speaker 3: that you know is an advantage to the offense, especially
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Speaker 3: with how kickers are performing nowadays. It's a thing that
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Speaker 3: will get baked in to the totals probably and it'll
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Speaker 3: make the expected points in the game go up.
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Speaker 1: Simon, I think this plays to our advantage.
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Speaker 3: I do.
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Speaker 1: I feel like I was already leaning towards regression, meaning
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Speaker 1: last year was such a heavy favorite team year, we
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Speaker 1: were worried that could this be a sea change. I
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Speaker 1: don't think so anymore. As I've been doing some off
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Speaker 1: season work, I'm starting to think more and more that
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Speaker 1: this will regress back, and this could have been an anomaly.
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Speaker 1: And I actually think this plays to our advantage because
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Speaker 1: I do think there will be more returns and few
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Speaker 1: and fewer teams who are putting themselves in a position
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Speaker 1: to have to defend offenses that are starting at the
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Speaker 1: thirty five yard line.
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Speaker 2: And that's the biggest issue chat is that I'm honestly
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Speaker 2: going the other way. I think it might be more talky.
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Speaker 2: I just think they did the wrong thing. They should
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Speaker 2: have pushed it back five yards. I'm moving up another
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Speaker 2: five because it's like we talked about, all right, a
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Speaker 2: team gets about the thirty five, right, they get a
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Speaker 2: first down. Let's say they pick up twelve yards, so
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Speaker 2: now they're three yards away, four yards away from the fifty.
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Speaker 2: It's just gonna it's completely changing the game. If you
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Speaker 2: have a quarterback like Jane Daniels, like you know my
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Speaker 2: Homes whoever, You're gonna keep going for on the fourth
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Speaker 2: downs if you're at midfield because it's just worth the risk, right,
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Speaker 2: And we already talked about it. These teams with these
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Speaker 2: great quarterbacks, they're happy to trade fourth down failures for
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Speaker 2: their team kicking threes right, the other team gets the
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Speaker 2: ball the midfield, the kick a field goal. That's a
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Speaker 2: win for them, Like they're gonna get the ball back
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Speaker 2: and they might get it back again at the thirty five.
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Speaker 2: So to me, I'm gonna be really busy the next
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Speaker 2: two three days check because a a lot of books
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Speaker 2: have already put out there. They're basically divisional odds. I'm
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Speaker 2: gonna be taking heavy positions on favorites like the Bills,
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Speaker 2: the Chiefs, the Houston, these teams that you know, we
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Speaker 2: already think they're the best in the division. These these
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Speaker 2: to me, this kickoff only helps those teams that have
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Speaker 2: the great quarterbacks versus the teams that do not like
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Speaker 2: the difference to these quarterbacks. Now we've seen it now
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Speaker 2: like we had the date after last year's season, these
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Speaker 2: teams were just so willing to go for I mean,
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Speaker 2: I can't tell you how many times teams won for
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Speaker 2: a chat on their own forty, on their own thirty
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Speaker 2: eight when they're winning, Like we never seen that in
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Speaker 2: the history of football. We saw the multiple times happen
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Speaker 2: last year, it's going to be even more extreme to me.
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Speaker 2: So yeah, very very unique time perer living in right now.
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Speaker 2: Check because they're just doing these little little rule changes.
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Speaker 2: But it's becoming a big deal for someone like me
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Speaker 2: and you that we love betting dogs. I fucking hate
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Speaker 2: betting favorites, and we have to bet favorites. I'm telling you,
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Speaker 2: we just we're gonna have to suck it up, brother
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Speaker 2: and just bet favorites.
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Speaker 3: I think that's such an old school thought though, Like
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Speaker 3: I hate betting favorites. Why if they win, just like
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Speaker 3: you just have to know the trend right Like it
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Speaker 3: used it used to be that it was fun to
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Speaker 3: bet dogs because you know, if if your premise holds right,
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Speaker 3: Like I, I don't care what side I'm on as
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Speaker 3: long as I think it's the winning side. Like if
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Speaker 3: the value is in laying six because the spread should
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Speaker 3: be seven and a half, I have no problem with that.
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Speaker 3: Like I think, like you know, it used to be
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Speaker 3: like Scott van Pelt was like fade the public, and like, sure,
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Speaker 3: that's a good idea in the aggregate, like bet underdog. Sure,
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Speaker 3: But I think to your point, maybe that's not gonna
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Speaker 3: be the case for the next five years. I certainly
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Speaker 3: wish that I had had more chalky picks in my
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Speaker 3: NCAA tournament survivor pools and my brackets, you know what
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Speaker 3: I mean, Like there's something too recognizing where the trend
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Speaker 3: is going, Like it's an obvious point, Like I know
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Speaker 3: this is what you're talking about, but like what's happened
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Speaker 3: in college basketball right now with the nil money being
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Speaker 3: spread out amongst the Power five schools, so the smaller
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Speaker 3: schools just don't have the money to keep the players.
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Speaker 3: It makes perfect sense that this would be a year
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Speaker 3: where the SEC and the Big ten in conferences like
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Speaker 3: that would dominate and advance their teams. And so I
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Speaker 3: wish that I had thought of that and like taking
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Speaker 3: a harder position on it. But you know, Houston's done
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Speaker 3: well for me, and like, you know, I'm doing okay,
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Speaker 3: but it's I am not as beholden to like the
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Speaker 3: smart play is backing the underdog. I'm not sure the
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Speaker 3: smart play is to know where the trend of the
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Speaker 3: sport is going. Because I had a great year in
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Speaker 3: the NFL last year, like sixty five percent on the show,
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Speaker 3: and people would my mentions like gambling Twitter was in
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Speaker 3: my mentions, Oh, you're laying the wood on three favorites
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Speaker 3: in week fourteen, And then I'm like, yeah, have you
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Speaker 3: seen how the season's been going? And then I'd go
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Speaker 3: three and oh, and then of course it's crickets. Like
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Speaker 3: I just I think you gotta be nimble with that,
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Speaker 3: with that sort of thinking, and if you're right and
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Speaker 3: there's edge here on if favorites being undervalued again, I
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Speaker 3: wouldn't hate it, I'd cash it.
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Speaker 2: But that's that's the problem though, it's not I mean,
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Speaker 2: you know, Danny, it's not this easy, like that's that's
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Speaker 2: the show. Like I'm in line at the book. The
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Speaker 2: guy in front of me is like, yeah, I got
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Speaker 2: the Ravens this week, I got the Eagles, I got
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Speaker 2: the Bills, and I got you know, the Chiefs. All right.
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Speaker 2: Back in the day, that guy would be lucky to
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Speaker 2: go to and two. He was going four and oh
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Speaker 2: every other week Like that does not happen on the spread.
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Speaker 2: Like usually the books catch up to those guys, so
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Speaker 2: they know the public's gonna bet those high teams. But
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Speaker 2: like the books gonna catch up to it, neither could
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Speaker 2: me and Chat. Because Me and Chat have made a
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Speaker 2: living betting on the Panthers. We made a living betting
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Speaker 2: on the Raiders. Like these teams that suck with bad quarterbacks,
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Speaker 2: But like you just talked about, the game has changed
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Speaker 2: so much because these teams now are just like, fuck it,
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Speaker 2: we'll go for it on fourth down on our own
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Speaker 2: forty because if we fail here, we'll stop them. They'll
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Speaker 2: kick a three, we'll get back, We'll go get drive
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Speaker 2: the field, get another seven. Like it's just totally changed.
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Speaker 2: I'm with you, it's just I'm trying to catch up
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Speaker 2: to it because I don't mind betting favorites. It's just tough.
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Speaker 2: Me and you have to give five picks every week,
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Speaker 2: and the weeks we picked four favorites to one dog
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Speaker 2: Me and Chad both feels sick to our stomach, even
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Speaker 2: if it does win. It just feels unnatural to us
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Speaker 2: because we've both been doing this for for fifteen years
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Speaker 2: and we're just.
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Speaker 3: Trust me, trust me, I feel you, but go four
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Speaker 3: and one on your favorites. I don't give them.
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Speaker 1: Look historically, historically you want to be on the same
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Speaker 1: side as the sports book. That to me, is where
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Speaker 1: we ultimately want to end up. It's hard to be
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Speaker 1: on the same side as the sports book when the
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Speaker 1: sportsbook doesn't want to be on the side of the favorites,
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Speaker 1: because that means that everybody is on the same side, right,
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Speaker 1: And so how do we reconcile going into a year
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Speaker 1: where we want to be ahead of the tend also
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Speaker 1: knowing that there's been one or two years in the
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Speaker 1: history of sports betting against the spread where like you,
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Speaker 1: you haven't won if you were on the same side
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Speaker 1: at the sportsbook. I think that's the bigger sort of
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Speaker 1: mind meld that we have to get into.
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Speaker 3: I think that's right. I just you know, you don't
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Speaker 3: know what the trend is going to be at the
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Speaker 3: beginning of the year, and trends can change and all
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Speaker 3: of that. So you know, put your numbers out and
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Speaker 3: then if you if you again, if you if you
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Speaker 3: think it should be seven and a half and it's six,
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Speaker 3: lay the six. You know, if you if you think
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Speaker 3: it's it should be four and a half and it's six,
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Speaker 3: take the plus six like it's it's a It's the
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Speaker 3: simplest I think that, like going in with a completely
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Speaker 3: overarching strategies, you know, you want to have positions, you
14:53
Speaker 3: want to have beliefs. You want to believe in teams,
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Speaker 3: but you also got to just like watch the games
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Speaker 3: and trust your eyes, like and like adapt to it quickly,
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Speaker 3: like if you would if you caught on early last
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Speaker 3: year with Washington, You're like, oh, yeah, this is real,
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Speaker 3: Like this isn't flukey, Like you can you can snipe
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Speaker 3: some opportunity in that spot. So I don't know what
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Speaker 3: the story of this year will be. I doubt it
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Speaker 3: will be favorites again to your point, but there will
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Speaker 3: be some team out there that covers as a favorite
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Speaker 3: a bunch, and there will be some team out there
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Speaker 3: that covers as a dog a bunch like, so like
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Speaker 3: it's not you know what I mean, it's not You
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Speaker 3: don't have to be like I am on team fade
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Speaker 3: the public, or I am on team Favorite, or I'm
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Speaker 3: on team underdog. Like I think that there are within
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Speaker 3: the course of a of a season, a team, a
15:39
Speaker 3: stretch of time, there are just opportunities out there. But
15:44
Speaker 3: it's obviously, listen, betting the NFL is the hardest thing
15:47
Speaker 3: to do. It's the sharpest thing in the world. So
15:49
Speaker 3: it's very, very very difficult to just literally, to use
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Speaker 3: your phrase, make a living like I don't know if
15:57
Speaker 3: you're being accurate or not, like, but like, you know what,
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Speaker 3: I mean, to actually like make a living betting the
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Speaker 3: NFL exclusively is almost impossible.
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Speaker 1: So now you've got a big time TV job.
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Speaker 3: I do not make it a living betting the NFL.
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Speaker 1: That's right, Because you've got a big time TV job.
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Speaker 1: You can't give that up. When you were in Chicago
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Speaker 1: doing Chicago radio, it was to me the most natural fit,
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Speaker 1: like a Chicago guy who loves Chicago, loves Chicago sports.
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Speaker 1: How do you go through the process, deciding process of deciding,
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Speaker 1: all right, I'm going to take my shot, I'm going
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Speaker 1: to move, I'm going to take my family. We're going
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Speaker 1: to leave this very comfortable life where you can make
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Speaker 1: a very good living for a very long time to
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Speaker 1: go on TV and have to talk about everybody.
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Speaker 3: I wasn't worried about the talking about everybody thing. Like
16:51
Speaker 3: I think that that's like way overstated from outside of
16:56
Speaker 3: the industry. Like obviously I miss some of the subject
17:00
Speaker 3: matter of the radio show, but I didn't like some
17:03
Speaker 3: of the subject matter of the radio show too, Like
17:05
Speaker 3: talking about a bad baseball team in June is not fun.
17:10
Speaker 3: I'd rather talk NBA playoffs, and I'd rather talk NFL transactions,
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Speaker 3: and you know what I mean, that sort of thing.
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Speaker 3: So like the subject matter, Yeah, I wish I could
17:20
Speaker 3: do more Bears, but I do some Bears, and I
17:23
Speaker 3: have other outlets for that sort of thing. That that
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Speaker 3: that piece of it was not even a factor at all.
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Speaker 3: I like new challenges. This was very unexpected, the TV situation,
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Speaker 3: Like I thought I was going to do afternoons in
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Speaker 3: Chicago for forever. To your point, I was making a
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Speaker 3: good living and I would have been happy there. But
17:42
Speaker 3: there's also just man, there's the there's the brass tacks
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Speaker 3: of I have a five year old and assume to
17:47
Speaker 3: be three year old, and I like taking nice vacations
17:50
Speaker 3: and playing golf at expensive golf courses. Like the radio world,
17:56
Speaker 3: like all of this stuff is changing and in many
17:59
Speaker 3: cases shrinking, And so I had to be honest with
18:03
Speaker 3: myself of like, in five years, am I making more
18:10
Speaker 3: money and bigger, making the same amount of money and
18:15
Speaker 3: as relevant or making less money and less relevant if
18:18
Speaker 3: I stayed at my current spot versus going on national
18:24
Speaker 3: TV obviously making more money and being less relevant in
18:30
Speaker 3: one place but more relevant in everywhere else. And it
18:36
Speaker 3: was a pretty obvious decision when you just put it
18:39
Speaker 3: through the calculus of like, my job is to provide
18:42
Speaker 3: for my family. So it was, you know, there are
18:46
Speaker 3: things that I miss about radio. I I'll do hits
18:50
Speaker 3: on the Score. I'm hosting my radio thon on the
18:53
Speaker 3: Score this summer. I still have great relationships with all
18:55
Speaker 3: the people there. I filled in for mad Dog on
18:59
Speaker 3: Mad Dog Sports Radio. When we do that again this summer,
19:02
Speaker 3: you know, so I still get to scratch the radio itch.
19:04
Speaker 3: And who knows where my career goes or where the
19:07
Speaker 3: industry goes. But I mean, just on like the brass
19:12
Speaker 3: tacks of the bottom line, it was it was not
19:18
Speaker 3: a difficult decision.
19:20
Speaker 1: Do you feel like the relevance has changed? Can you
19:26
Speaker 1: Is there a tangible feeling from being on television on
19:29
Speaker 1: FS one that you experience on a daily basis? That
19:33
Speaker 1: is is it social media? Is it people stopping on
19:35
Speaker 1: the street? How does it? What does it look like?
19:37
Speaker 3: Well, I mean, like I'm so new to TV compared
19:40
Speaker 3: to radio that like, you know, I definitely get like
19:42
Speaker 3: stopped on the street more in Chicago than I do
19:44
Speaker 3: in New York City, just based on like years of
19:47
Speaker 3: time spent and like the consolidation of your audience in
19:51
Speaker 3: one place versus now it's in so many different places
19:53
Speaker 3: and so consumed on digital and all of that. But like,
19:57
Speaker 3: but Nick Wright gets stopped in one hundred countries, you
20:01
Speaker 3: know what I mean. Like, so like there's a there's
20:03
Speaker 3: a there's a pathway to that part. But again, I'm
20:06
Speaker 3: happy to sit at home and play golf and like
20:09
Speaker 3: that's not that doesn't really do it for me, but
20:11
Speaker 3: like that you definitely feel listen, radio is super personal.
20:16
Speaker 3: You're in people's cars. It's like very like one on one.
20:20
Speaker 3: You know, I can talk about my kids, I can
20:21
Speaker 3: talk about embarrassing failures around the house. Like they know
20:25
Speaker 3: you better in radio then they will ever know you
20:30
Speaker 3: more personal level on television. And so like that connection
20:35
Speaker 3: is definitely something that I miss. And in radio, we
20:38
Speaker 3: had a text line, you know, so like a live,
20:42
Speaker 3: interactive text chat with your audience that is absolutely not
20:48
Speaker 3: something that exists on television. So yes, like if you
20:50
Speaker 3: want to get a thought to me on my sports
20:53
Speaker 3: take on television, you've got to be watching it live
20:57
Speaker 3: and then tweet to me. And I have to check
21:00
Speaker 3: my mentions in a commercial break. It is three and
21:05
Speaker 3: a half minutes when I'm getting ready for the next segment,
21:07
Speaker 3: and I'm sitting next to Marshal Earth and Craig Carton,
21:09
Speaker 3: and I got a producer in my ear, and I
21:10
Speaker 3: got makeups being touched with you know what I mean,
21:12
Speaker 3: I am not really interacting with an audience while live
21:15
Speaker 3: on television. As you can choose how much you want
21:20
Speaker 3: to like consume the feedback to TV. It's like they
21:24
Speaker 3: post clips on Instagram and Twitter and TikTok or wherever,
21:28
Speaker 3: like and if I if I opt in to the
21:31
Speaker 3: feedback by reading the comments, then I can get some
21:35
Speaker 3: of it. But like it's also a lot easier to
21:37
Speaker 3: remove yourself from the critique and feedback of your content
21:44
Speaker 3: on television, which is like pretty healthy, honestly. So I
21:49
Speaker 3: again to be clear, I'm talking about both sides of
21:51
Speaker 3: my mouth. Like I miss some of the relevancy and
21:55
Speaker 3: the live interaction and the live feedback of radio. It's
21:57
Speaker 3: exhilarating where it's like you're getting live feedback where people
22:01
Speaker 3: are making jokes, participating with your topics and like participating
22:06
Speaker 3: in it and building Like that's the beauty of radio.
22:11
Speaker 3: So that is not something that exists on television, obviously,
22:14
Speaker 3: but it's a lot healthier to just like, here's the topic,
22:19
Speaker 3: here's the topic, prepare for the topic, do the best
22:22
Speaker 3: job you can on the topic, and then keep it
22:25
Speaker 3: moving Like that is a much healthier way to interact
22:29
Speaker 3: with feedback because then the majority of the feedback that
22:32
Speaker 3: you do get in real life is someone coming up
22:34
Speaker 3: to you on the street and being like, hey, what's up, man?
22:37
Speaker 3: I love the show, love your work. Can I get
22:38
Speaker 3: a picture as opposed to some of the crazy negative
22:41
Speaker 3: shit that you'll get on social media, which, to be clear,
22:44
Speaker 3: I still get I get a lot of it, but
22:47
Speaker 3: you have to. If you get it, you're seeking it out,
22:52
Speaker 3: and so then it's like, well, you can't let it
22:53
Speaker 3: bother you. I seeked it out. If I didn't want it,
22:55
Speaker 3: I could just ignore it. So I hope that answered
22:58
Speaker 3: your question. But it's very different.
23:00
Speaker 1: Yeah, well it's fascinating, and you're right about the radio stuff.
23:04
Speaker 1: There is an intimacy there.
23:07
Speaker 3: Oh it's the best.
23:08
Speaker 1: It's going for so much longer. You've got to fill
23:10
Speaker 1: so much time. Your tone is different, it's not as
23:14
Speaker 1: performative as television.
23:16
Speaker 3: Yeah, there's something not as performative, I think is like
23:20
Speaker 3: a negative connetition. There's definitely a performance to television, no doubt.
23:23
Speaker 3: I would say that there's a performance to good radio also,
23:28
Speaker 3: But it's it's just you've got four hours a day,
23:35
Speaker 3: five days a week local radio, especially Bears, Cubs, Bulls,
23:42
Speaker 3: White Socks, issues that affect Chicago are your main subject matters.
23:47
Speaker 3: But some days it's like, all right, it's May nineteenth.
23:51
Speaker 3: The Cubs are two games over five hundred, the White
23:54
Speaker 3: Sox are nine games on there, the Bears haven't done anything,
23:58
Speaker 3: the Bulls and the Blackhawks are eliminated, and it's like,
24:02
Speaker 3: let's tell a story about parenting, you know what I mean,
24:05
Speaker 3: and just try to be funny and relatable. Or let's
24:08
Speaker 3: talk to your producer about his new girlfriend. Or the
24:12
Speaker 3: way to make a perfect steak and how he taught
24:14
Speaker 3: me how to use a cast iron and then I
24:16
Speaker 3: washed it with soap and he took the cast iron
24:19
Speaker 3: that he gave me back, like because I had, you know,
24:22
Speaker 3: desecrated the art of the cast iron. Or how I
24:24
Speaker 3: had my nanny push my car out of the snow
24:27
Speaker 3: because she was stronger than me, like you know what
24:29
Speaker 3: I mean, Like I can't get these stories off on TV,
24:33
Speaker 3: and so that it's the it's the it's the personal
24:36
Speaker 3: nature of talking about your brother with brain cancer, talking
24:40
Speaker 3: about your new child, talking about the stupid argument you
24:45
Speaker 3: got in with your wife, like all of that is
24:47
Speaker 3: super relevant on radio and in some ways in podcasting,
24:53
Speaker 3: and there's just no lane for it when we're talking
24:56
Speaker 3: about where Aaron Rodgers's next team is going to be.
25:00
Speaker 3: I do I do miss that, to be clear, but
25:03
Speaker 3: it's I don't miss it enough to like be like
25:06
Speaker 3: I took the wrong job, like I you know what
25:08
Speaker 3: I mean, I'm fine. I'm fine with that. The way
25:11
Speaker 3: is something that is different.
25:13
Speaker 1: Do you have an opinion on where Aaron Rodgers should
25:16
Speaker 1: go at this point, it's it's basically the Steelers are nothing.
25:20
Speaker 3: Yeah, I mean I said the Steelers at the you know,
25:22
Speaker 3: with like a week to go in the regular season,
25:25
Speaker 3: because my whole thing on Rogers was he just dominates
25:30
Speaker 3: the news cycle so much that it's exhausting talking about
25:37
Speaker 3: him if he's on a bad team. And apparently it's
25:39
Speaker 3: impossible for the Steelers to be bad, like they can't
25:42
Speaker 3: win in the playoffs, but at least they will play
25:44
Speaker 3: games that are on Monday night, Sunday night, Thursday night,
25:47
Speaker 3: and they will win more than fifty percent of them
25:49
Speaker 3: because Mike Tomins never had a losing year and so
25:51
Speaker 3: at least you can like justify talking about Aaron Rodgers
25:54
Speaker 3: and Mike Tomlin. It will be interesting, like the Jets
25:57
Speaker 3: stopped being interesting in Week four. And so the Steelers, Okay,
26:02
Speaker 3: we'll get two games against Burrow, we'll get two games
26:04
Speaker 3: against Lamar. He'll go to Chicago to play the Bears.
26:08
Speaker 3: The Packers will go to Pittsburgh. Like Aaron Rodgers and
26:11
Speaker 3: the Steelers will be worth our collective attention and oxygen
26:15
Speaker 3: if he's in Pittsburgh. And it was, I mean, it
26:19
Speaker 3: was just such a waste of time with all the
26:22
Speaker 3: amount of time we spent talking about the guy with
26:24
Speaker 3: the injured season and then five wins last year that
26:27
Speaker 3: I kind of like grew to resent it. So Pittsburgh
26:31
Speaker 3: is where I want him to go because I know
26:32
Speaker 3: as long as he's playing, we're gonna be talking about him.
26:37
Speaker 1: Have you come to a consensus on the Chicago Bears
26:42
Speaker 1: winning the offseason and what that means for the.
26:46
Speaker 3: Third straight year, by the way, for this was the
26:50
Speaker 3: you know they talked about the Chiefs not being able
26:52
Speaker 3: to three peat. There's an active three peat there is.
26:55
Speaker 1: It's pretty impressive.
26:56
Speaker 3: Actually, thank you.
26:57
Speaker 1: When we were in Chicago, you know so many Bears fans,
27:02
Speaker 1: and every single conversation I had was we won the
27:06
Speaker 1: off season. And I'm like, you know what, we won
27:09
Speaker 1: the off season When two years ago I bet him
27:14
Speaker 1: at fifty to one to win the Super Bowl it
27:16
Speaker 1: got down to twenty to one. I'm like, I am
27:19
Speaker 1: so ahead of the market. This is our year, DJ
27:23
Speaker 1: Moore is the exact solution for Justin Fields. Didn't happen
27:28
Speaker 1: last year. I didn't get ahead of it. I did
27:31
Speaker 1: not bet the Bears over eight and a half wins.
27:34
Speaker 1: I was never disappointed because I had very low expectations.
27:38
Speaker 1: This year, I'm trying really hard. I am like, really
27:42
Speaker 1: trying to be the smart, thoughtful Bears fan who doesn't
27:46
Speaker 1: get ahead and believes that all of a sudden we
27:48
Speaker 1: fixed everything because we spent money on a coach.
27:52
Speaker 3: What kind of way is that to live? You know
27:55
Speaker 3: it's out listen for gambling purposes. That's totally fine, and
28:00
Speaker 3: this is a gambling podcast. So faith fading Bears optimism
28:05
Speaker 3: is a very profitable strategy historically, so I have So
28:09
Speaker 3: from that standpoint, I want to be very clear I
28:12
Speaker 3: support fading Bears optimism, like feel free to take your unders,
28:19
Speaker 3: but like man, life is too short to not believe
28:22
Speaker 3: that the next solution could be the one that's dumb.
28:27
Speaker 3: Like I wanted the Bears to draft to Sean Watson,
28:29
Speaker 3: they drafted Mitch Trubisky. We ended up both being wrong.
28:32
Speaker 3: They should have taken Patrick Mahomes. Yes, then I wanted
28:37
Speaker 3: them to trade up for Justin Fields. I supported that trade.
28:41
Speaker 3: I had. I threw a QB one party celebrating the
28:44
Speaker 3: arrival of the Bears having a franchise quarterback after he
28:47
Speaker 3: had one hundred and seventy five rushing yards against the Dolphins.
28:50
Speaker 3: That was a very exciting game. In hindsight, I should
28:53
Speaker 3: have been a little bit more measured because it was
28:55
Speaker 3: a rushing performance passing performance. But like what if you
29:00
Speaker 3: then be like, well, I can't fall for Caleb Williams
29:03
Speaker 3: because of Mitch Trubisky and Justin Fields. It's like, well
29:06
Speaker 3: that's boring. That's then you're defeated. Then you may as
29:10
Speaker 3: well go be a you know, go go be a
29:14
Speaker 3: Lions fan, Go go go be a commander's fan, Like,
29:17
Speaker 3: that's that's that's dumb. So from the gambling standpoint, I'm
29:21
Speaker 3: here for the citizens. When I hear my guy big
29:23
Speaker 3: Cat being like, oh, I'm not six out of ten excitement,
29:26
Speaker 3: I'm not going above six out of ten excitement, I'm like, why, Like,
29:31
Speaker 3: that's that's part of the fun of fandom, Colin was
29:34
Speaker 3: you know fan is short for fanatic, Like it's you
29:37
Speaker 3: gotta you gotta fall for it. If you don't fall
29:39
Speaker 3: for it, you honestly shouldn't watch sports. You should just
29:43
Speaker 3: stop watching sports.
29:44
Speaker 1: Here's what I think we have going for us. I
29:47
Speaker 1: think the fact that ownership, and this is terrible to say,
29:53
Speaker 1: but the fact that Virginia McCaskey passed away, I think
30:00
Speaker 1: changes some of the feelings around the team and how
30:06
Speaker 1: this team is managed and who knows what happens next.
30:11
Speaker 1: Don't give me that face, because that has been that
30:15
Speaker 1: The McCaskey family's ownership of this team has been a
30:18
Speaker 1: challenge since nineteen eighty five.
30:23
Speaker 3: Sure, the Bengals were the Bungles and then they got
30:27
Speaker 3: Joe Burrow, Like they didn't become the ownership did become good.
30:33
Speaker 3: They just got Joe Burrow. That's it, That's all that happened.
30:35
Speaker 3: They got Joe Burrow. The Chiefs didn't win a single game,
30:39
Speaker 3: one regular season game with a quarterback that they drafted
30:44
Speaker 3: from Todd Blackledge to Patrick Mahomes. That was the Like
30:48
Speaker 3: now they won, you know, Trent Green Joel Montana out.
30:51
Speaker 3: But like things change, things change, And so I think, listen,
30:57
Speaker 3: I think that Kevin Warren and the BIS side paying
31:02
Speaker 3: Ben Johnson a bunch of money is obviously a departure
31:06
Speaker 3: from their history with coaches. I think that's totally fair.
31:09
Speaker 3: But Matt Nagy was a hot coaching candidate. They hired him.
31:12
Speaker 3: John Fox had won a Super Bowl and was relatively
31:15
Speaker 3: expensive for the time they had hired him. Like, they
31:18
Speaker 3: haven't gotten it right at coach and quarterback my entire life.
31:25
Speaker 3: That's impossible. It's an Now you can say, well, the
31:29
Speaker 3: common thread there, dummy, is the McCaskey family. And I'm
31:31
Speaker 3: with you on that, like to a certain extent. But
31:34
Speaker 3: I just think that like, if Caleb Williams is awesome
31:39
Speaker 3: and Ben Johnson is awesome, Virginia McCaskey could have lived
31:45
Speaker 3: to be one hundred and forty and the Bears would
31:47
Speaker 3: have been awesome. Like, you know, I really do think that,
31:50
Speaker 3: like you have to get your quarterback and your coach,
31:53
Speaker 3: and then everything else you can kind of figure out.
31:56
Speaker 3: And I'm cautiously optimistic that they have their quarterback coach.
32:00
Speaker 3: But again, I've felt that way before, cautiously Matt Maggie.
32:05
Speaker 1: Higher, cautiously optimistic or rapidly over the top having a
32:09
Speaker 1: good time optimistic.
32:12
Speaker 3: Okay, so here's the other part about it now, Like
32:15
Speaker 3: I there are some people in our line of work,
32:18
Speaker 3: we'll say my line of work the opinion space, more local.
32:24
Speaker 1: Professional capital j journalist over here.
32:26
Speaker 3: Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, you know you're handicappers. You got
32:28
Speaker 3: Simon saying that he's made a living batting the Carolina Panthers.
32:33
Speaker 3: Not positive that's exactly true. But we'll see. Uh. I
32:39
Speaker 3: some people are not willing to like make a prediction
32:41
Speaker 3: on the front end and be wrong, Like they're like, well,
32:44
Speaker 3: I'll just like kind of play it down the middle,
32:46
Speaker 3: and like there are literally hosts that I have worked
32:49
Speaker 3: with in Chicago. I don't make predictions. I don't pick games.
32:52
Speaker 3: It's like, man, I am totally comfortably being wrong because
32:55
Speaker 3: I've gambled my whole life, Like I, I know that
32:58
Speaker 3: you could be great at this and be four out
33:00
Speaker 3: of ten times. So Ryan Poles has done a lot
33:05
Speaker 3: of the things that I said I wanted him to
33:07
Speaker 3: do on like the front end. You know, I wanted
33:11
Speaker 3: them to draft Caleb Williams. I wanted them to draft
33:13
Speaker 3: Roma doonsay. I said they should have taken Jalen Carter
33:16
Speaker 3: instead of Darnell Wright. I wanted them to take George
33:19
Speaker 3: Pickens instead of Jakwan Brisker. I wanted them to hire
33:22
Speaker 3: Ben Johnson, like so, you know, a couple of picks
33:25
Speaker 3: he didn't do, but the big ones he did, so,
33:27
Speaker 3: Like I I feel like they're doing this the right way.
33:32
Speaker 3: They upgraded their offensive line significantly in the off season.
33:35
Speaker 3: Kayleb Williams got sacked sixty two times last year, and
33:38
Speaker 3: he was actually pretty good. Like if you look at
33:41
Speaker 3: I did it on the show. If you do quarterbacks
33:43
Speaker 3: who have been sacked sixty or more times like those seasons,
33:46
Speaker 3: and then you look at their touchdown interception ratio and
33:49
Speaker 3: passer rating, his is the best by far. Now it's
33:54
Speaker 3: not good players. It's David Carr's. You know. Randall Conningham
33:58
Speaker 3: was awesome, but his season where he got sack sixty
34:00
Speaker 3: times wasn't and a couple of other guys who had
34:02
Speaker 3: disaster seasons, like I think for the fact that that
34:05
Speaker 3: happened to him as a rookie. They fired his head coach,
34:09
Speaker 3: they fired his play caller. They lost ten straight games,
34:13
Speaker 3: including in some just ridiculous fashion like that Hail Mary.
34:17
Speaker 3: And he's still at the end of it, started seventeen games,
34:22
Speaker 3: showed toughness, showed poise, showed improvement, and only threw six picks.
34:27
Speaker 3: Like I think he's a stud man, I really do.
34:31
Speaker 3: And Ben Johnson was the best coach they could have hired.
34:34
Speaker 3: So I'm as optimistic as I am allowed to be.
34:36
Speaker 3: I'm not picking them to win the Super Bowl, but
34:38
Speaker 3: in terms of the long term outlook of the Bears,
34:43
Speaker 3: I think they're clearly still a bye. Like I think
34:45
Speaker 3: that their next five years are going to be very
34:47
Speaker 3: good and they're going to win a lot of games.
34:49
Speaker 1: Well, now I'm turning it up to eleven.
34:51
Speaker 3: I was saying, like, what other than the uniform is
34:57
Speaker 3: cursed and it just never works out, and so I
35:00
Speaker 3: should just be cynical because that's my nature, Like what
35:03
Speaker 3: about the Bears do do we not like?
35:06
Speaker 1: I feel like that's enough.
35:09
Speaker 3: See, I disagree. I feel like losing money every day
35:15
Speaker 3: on the twenty sixteen Cubs.
35:18
Speaker 1: I love the twenty sixteen Cubs.
35:20
Speaker 3: That is a why. I know why they had never
35:22
Speaker 3: won before. They were cursed.
35:24
Speaker 1: Yeah, and then they got over it. So you're saying
35:27
Speaker 1: that the Bears will get over this. I'm saying I'm
35:30
Speaker 1: gonna in twenty sixteen. My enthusiasm for the Cubs built
35:34
Speaker 1: over the course of a season. My enthusiasm for the
35:37
Speaker 1: Bears will build over the course of the season.
35:40
Speaker 3: But yours. Okay, See this is again where we disagree.
35:43
Speaker 3: Coming off of twenty the twenty fifteen Cubs, they won
35:46
Speaker 3: ninety seven games. They're a good team. Yeah, so now
35:51
Speaker 3: the band say they were not a good team. The
35:53
Speaker 3: Bears have going for that.
35:54
Speaker 1: Let me let me give you some context. And I
35:56
Speaker 1: know Simon wants to jump in here because he wants
35:58
Speaker 1: to hear about something other than the Bears. But let
36:00
Speaker 1: me give you context right now. What you just you
36:02
Speaker 1: just talked about your beautiful family and wanting to provide
36:06
Speaker 1: for your family. Let me give you a scene. Okay,
36:10
Speaker 1: it's two thousand and three, my first son is three
36:15
Speaker 1: months old. I'm living in Manhattan, Midtown on the East
36:20
Speaker 1: Side on fifty seventh Street between Lex and Third. My
36:23
Speaker 1: wife is sleeping. It's eleven o'clock at night. I've got
36:28
Speaker 1: my son sleeping on my chest, and bartment happens like
36:33
Speaker 1: I've got the scars over a lifetime where I will
36:37
Speaker 1: not be enthusiastic until it's time to be enthusiastic.
36:41
Speaker 3: Ohhen I was in high school, I almost cried. Okay,
36:45
Speaker 3: Like I understand I was way too old to be
36:48
Speaker 3: crying or a verge of tears over a sporting event.
36:51
Speaker 3: But my point is is if you have given up hope,
36:54
Speaker 3: then just trade stocks and go to the theater, like
36:57
Speaker 3: there's no reason to care about sports given up hope.
37:01
Speaker 3: It's unscripted. We don't know what's going to happen. And
37:04
Speaker 3: I don't believe in magic or curses or goblins, so
37:07
Speaker 3: I don't believe that just like inherently the Bears are
37:10
Speaker 3: cursed because they haven't won a Super Bowl in my lifetime.
37:14
Speaker 3: That's I've seen too many other teams, including the Cubs,
37:18
Speaker 3: overcome it so and change reputations alone. Now listen, would
37:22
Speaker 3: this be a lot easier to say if Cayleb Williams
37:24
Speaker 3: just had the season that Jayden Daniels had, Yes it would,
37:27
Speaker 3: Yes it would. But that's why you need people like
37:30
Speaker 3: me on that wall to be optimistic in the face
37:32
Speaker 3: of overwhelming negativity and pessimism from cynics like Chad Millman.
37:37
Speaker 1: Yeah, when I think about happening and I think about optimism,
37:41
Speaker 1: I'm thinking about Danny Parker's the first right, It's the
37:44
Speaker 1: first thing I said.
37:45
Speaker 3: That's right about. That's right. No, I'm not a cold hearted,
37:48
Speaker 3: sarcastic son of a bitch. I'm a I'm a I'm
37:50
Speaker 3: a cock eyde optimist.
37:51
Speaker 1: By the way, give it time, your TV star, you're
37:55
Speaker 1: living You're not living in the Midwest anymore. Give it time, Simon,
38:00
Speaker 1: those win super Bowls all the time.
38:01
Speaker 2: Well just still even piggyback off that real quick, Chad,
38:03
Speaker 2: Like I always wondered people on TV, like, all day
38:07
Speaker 2: I think about football. Honestly, even at night, I'm thinking
38:09
Speaker 2: of football. Someone like you, are you always thinking about
38:12
Speaker 2: hot takes? Or do you just say shit on TV?
38:15
Speaker 2: And then later someone's like, oh, that was a hot take.
38:17
Speaker 2: You don't even thinking about you just said it that happened.
38:19
Speaker 2: Do you pre playing that stuff because sometimes, I mean,
38:22
Speaker 2: I've seen it, You've come across my timeline just because
38:24
Speaker 2: I'm an Eagles fan, I've seen your Jalen Hurt stakes.
38:26
Speaker 2: We don't need to get into that. There's enough enough
38:28
Speaker 2: enough time here to get into it.
38:30
Speaker 5: But do you plan that we got get into it.
38:33
Speaker 5: Would you trade Jalen Hurts for Josh Allen? Would I
38:37
Speaker 5: trade Jalen Hurts for Josh Allen? Yeah, yeah, yeah, Okay, Well.
38:42
Speaker 3: Then we're fine. Then we're on the same argument. Okay,
38:44
Speaker 3: And your Eagle fan brethren who said that that was ridiculous.
38:47
Speaker 2: Can you know we're defensive right now about Jalen You
38:51
Speaker 2: know it is, Yeah, I know, but.
38:52
Speaker 3: Like people have gone insane, you guys have gone insane. No,
38:56
Speaker 3: we've gone into a polarizing thing to say that the
39:00
Speaker 3: would trade Jalen Hurts for Josh Allen. That was defensive
39:04
Speaker 3: to Eagles fans.
39:05
Speaker 2: Most Eagles fans get upset about people still think justin Herbert,
39:09
Speaker 2: they would take him over Jalen Hurts. And here's a
39:14
Speaker 2: question for you, what's the point if you if your
39:16
Speaker 2: if your goal is just to make to the playoffs
39:18
Speaker 2: and then lose because your quarterback throws fore interceptions. They're
39:21
Speaker 2: just dog shit like Herbert. That was a bad point.
39:24
Speaker 3: That was a bad game. It's it's it's it's definitely
39:26
Speaker 3: tough to make that argument that playoff game. But but
39:30
Speaker 3: I am. I am genuinely curious you brought up Jalen Hurts.
39:32
Speaker 3: I'm genuinely curious if you thought if you switched him
39:37
Speaker 3: and you put Jalen Hurts on the Chargers, do you
39:42
Speaker 3: think they're in that playoff game?
39:44
Speaker 2: Yeah, with that coaching staff and that defense.
39:46
Speaker 3: Yeah, and you think the Eagles do not win the
39:48
Speaker 3: Super Bowl?
39:50
Speaker 2: No, because he just he's not that guy. Like as
39:53
Speaker 2: much as I love to think, yes, the Eagles were
39:55
Speaker 2: an incredibly complete team.
39:57
Speaker 3: Yeah, Like that's what I don't understand, Like Eagles fan,
40:00
Speaker 3: It's like I feel like when you say that, you're
40:02
Speaker 3: actually like undercutting how good your team is. Like you
40:05
Speaker 3: guys don't even realize it, Like you see it as
40:08
Speaker 3: defense of your quarterback. And I actually take it as
40:11
Speaker 3: an insult to Howie Roseman and Jordan Malatta and Landon
40:15
Speaker 3: Dickerson and Jalen Carter and Cooper deu Gene and Quinn
40:19
Speaker 3: Mitchell and Saquon Barkley and DeVante Smith and eight J. Brown,
40:23
Speaker 3: like on and on and on down the line. It's
40:25
Speaker 3: it's not an insult to say that your quarterback is
40:29
Speaker 3: a tough gamer who doesn't lose you guys games and
40:33
Speaker 3: plays his best in the biggest games, but that fifteen
40:37
Speaker 3: guys would win a Super Bowl on that team because
40:40
Speaker 3: that's how good your team is. That's not an insult
40:42
Speaker 3: to Jalen Hurts.
40:43
Speaker 2: It's not by I disagree with it, just because every
40:46
Speaker 2: year the best team usually doesn't win in football, and
40:49
Speaker 2: it's because it's tight the playoffs. I mean, we've all
40:53
Speaker 2: played sports. We know it is like everyone gets tight
40:56
Speaker 2: and it's really mental when you get to that point
40:58
Speaker 2: because the level everyone's playing it so high. Listen, we
41:01
Speaker 2: love Jared Golf on this show. That guy had a
41:04
Speaker 2: great team in Detroit on paper, just as good as
41:06
Speaker 2: this Eagles team. I mean, you could say, well, is
41:08
Speaker 2: defense had a ton of injuries. Okay, this guy threw
41:11
Speaker 2: three interceptions and a pick six against that Washington defense.
41:14
Speaker 2: Defense lit up.
41:16
Speaker 3: So what happened to Mahomes in the Super Bowl? Did
41:18
Speaker 3: he just like mentally wilt?
41:20
Speaker 4: He?
41:21
Speaker 2: He did in some ways like if you go back
41:22
Speaker 2: and watch.
41:23
Speaker 3: It, well, right, okay, fine, but but but it's not
41:25
Speaker 3: because he's not mentally strong enough to win, right.
41:29
Speaker 2: Uh No, no, no, like in his career, No, he's
41:32
Speaker 2: always over his team wasn't good enough. Yeah, but that
41:35
Speaker 2: was just like his ship. His ship was taking on
41:37
Speaker 2: so much water. It didn't matter how much he was
41:39
Speaker 2: thrown out. It was like he couldn't stop it. Right,
41:41
Speaker 2: that was just never ending, the amount of the leak.
41:43
Speaker 2: But I just think that the hurts thing. Like we
41:46
Speaker 2: talked about as an Eagles fan, I think that's why
41:48
Speaker 2: we get so defensive. It's like people think it's just
41:51
Speaker 2: because of the team, and it's like, no, he makes
41:54
Speaker 2: these big time throws in these big time moments that
41:57
Speaker 2: I would say ninety of the quarterbacks playing the league
41:59
Speaker 2: right now cannot make and have never made. So you know,
42:04
Speaker 2: I have fun with it because it's never made. Okay, Yeah,
42:06
Speaker 2: Like people want to push back on it, like like
42:08
Speaker 2: the the fans I hear the most from just because
42:11
Speaker 2: how big our show is, our Cowboys fans, and I
42:13
Speaker 2: have fun with it because it is fun. Like I
42:15
Speaker 2: love how passionate Cowboy fans are, and because they're just
42:18
Speaker 2: like Eagles. We're fucking crazy about our teams, and I
42:22
Speaker 2: joke with them all the time. Dak go through his career,
42:25
Speaker 2: he's had some incredibly talented teams down in Dallas. The
42:28
Speaker 2: man has won two playoff games in his career. Why
42:31
Speaker 2: because he's not mentally right for the playoffs. Like, it's
42:34
Speaker 2: just that it's that big of a difference that something
42:37
Speaker 2: small goes wrong for certain quarterbacks and they can't recover
42:39
Speaker 2: from We're Jalen Hurts. In my lifetime as an Eagles fan,
42:43
Speaker 2: it's crazy to say he's the best quarterback we've ever had, man,
42:46
Speaker 2: And that's why I think Eagles fans are so defensive,
42:48
Speaker 2: because we've just had shit our whole life. At the
42:51
Speaker 2: quarterback Nick nick Foles.
42:54
Speaker 3: Yeah, but even you would joke like Nick Foles that,
42:56
Speaker 3: I mean, he's got to be just like the mentally
42:58
Speaker 3: toughest guy ever, right, because you want to see Super Bowl.
43:00
Speaker 2: I believe he is. He's one. He's one of two
43:03
Speaker 2: quarterbacks in NFL history that beat Tom Brady in the
43:06
Speaker 2: Super Bowl.
43:08
Speaker 3: Right, So okay, right, but so okay, But so that
43:12
Speaker 3: But again, you're not taking any credit for the Eagles
43:15
Speaker 3: organization in that spot, of course I am.
43:17
Speaker 2: I say how he's the greatest GM a million times over. Okay,
43:23
Speaker 2: but that's why I like, like, you guys are talking
43:24
Speaker 2: about your head coach, I've been dead wrong. I'm over too.
43:27
Speaker 2: When Eagles head coaches have won Super Bowls. I did
43:29
Speaker 2: not like the Doug Peterson higher, I did not like
43:31
Speaker 2: Sirianni both won ring. So it's like, I do think
43:34
Speaker 2: coaching is important, but like you're we're talking about here,
43:36
Speaker 2: it's it's top down, right, It starts at the GM,
43:38
Speaker 2: starts with the ownership of team building, the right quarterback
43:42
Speaker 2: to write a coach. So that's just, you know, the
43:45
Speaker 2: the push against the Eagles that you know they're the
43:48
Speaker 2: best team that any They could put a trash can
43:50
Speaker 2: back there and they would have won the Super Bowl.
43:52
Speaker 2: It's just I think as an Eagles fan, we just
43:54
Speaker 2: think it's all insane because.
43:55
Speaker 3: It's just a straw man.
43:57
Speaker 2: No one has you think you think Tua two would
43:59
Speaker 2: come to the fill off fian won a Super Bowl
44:00
Speaker 2: with this past teams who said that, that's what people
44:03
Speaker 2: are saying. That's what I mean. Who Nick right? He
44:08
Speaker 2: did not say that, but he didn't he had jail
44:10
Speaker 2: Hurts outside his top fifteen, and he had two in
44:12
Speaker 2: his top fifteen. So that's that's what I mean.
44:14
Speaker 3: It's like it's I don't know next Knicks gambling in
44:18
Speaker 3: Vegas right now, but like.
44:19
Speaker 2: I did not have to go check out him talking
44:22
Speaker 2: in August last year he was not a fan of
44:23
Speaker 2: Jalen Hurts.
44:24
Speaker 3: Okay, well, okay, First of all, God, Eagles fans are
44:27
Speaker 3: so sensitive. I thought you guys were tough. I thought
44:30
Speaker 3: Eagles fans.
44:30
Speaker 2: Were not sensitive. We just remember the haters like talking.
44:34
Speaker 3: About just won the Super Bowl.
44:36
Speaker 4: He he's since August, He's he's won you say since August,
44:41
Speaker 4: he's won fourteen. He's won eighteen football games, including Super
44:46
Speaker 4: Bowl MVP. A lot has changed since August.
44:51
Speaker 1: Although that's said, if that's said, I would look, I'm
44:55
Speaker 1: not a huge Jalen Hurts fan. I think he's amazing,
44:59
Speaker 1: but like.
45:00
Speaker 2: He's him outside his top ten headed into the season.
45:02
Speaker 2: Just so we're all the same.
45:03
Speaker 1: What I right now, right now, have Jalen Hurts as
45:09
Speaker 1: a guy, as a better I don't want to have
45:14
Speaker 1: the ball. If I have bet against his team as
45:20
Speaker 1: a top five would I rather have Jalen Hurts over
45:22
Speaker 1: Matthew Stafford. If I've bet against Matthew Stafford.
45:27
Speaker 2: Like both you guys have you guys would have Jade
45:30
Speaker 2: Daniels ever Hurts? Correct, Yes, Okay, Jayden Daniels is one
45:35
Speaker 2: year younger than Hurts and he's playing in the NFL
45:37
Speaker 2: for one year. Hurts has played for five years. Yeah,
45:39
Speaker 2: And that's my issue is people think Jane Daniels is
45:42
Speaker 2: a better quarterback now than Hurts because of one good year,
45:45
Speaker 2: rather than a guy who's played for five years, has
45:47
Speaker 2: been the two Super Bowls.
45:49
Speaker 3: Spl Dude, it's a team sport, it is, But the
45:53
Speaker 3: quarterback position the worst position the mouse would you say?
45:58
Speaker 2: You say, it's a team sport, but we all agree
45:59
Speaker 2: that quarterback is the most important position.
46:02
Speaker 3: Yeah, of course. Okay, so but okay, in basketball, you're
46:08
Speaker 3: one of five on the court and you play for
46:11
Speaker 3: forty of forty eight minutes. So one in basketball has
46:15
Speaker 3: a huge impact. Obviously, one in football has a huge impact.
46:21
Speaker 3: But it's not like that slice of the pie is smaller,
46:26
Speaker 3: even if it's the biggest slice of the pie. But
46:29
Speaker 3: it's smaller because coaching matters more, because it's eleven on eleven,
46:33
Speaker 3: because you're on the field for you don't play offense
46:36
Speaker 3: and defense, right, Like a quarterback is the most is
46:39
Speaker 3: the biggest slice of the football impact pie. But it
46:42
Speaker 3: is smaller than Joker to the Nuggets, right to Jannis
46:48
Speaker 3: to the Bucks, to Lebron to the Lakers. Right. We
46:50
Speaker 3: all understand that. So having the best offensive line, the
46:57
Speaker 3: best I mean, number one in some defensive categories last year.
47:02
Speaker 3: But we'll say a top five defense, is that fair
47:04
Speaker 3: for the Eagles last year? The top five defense? Yeah,
47:07
Speaker 3: top five defense, best offensive line, best running back, top
47:12
Speaker 3: three wide receiver duo, top five wide receiver duo, like
47:16
Speaker 3: top five weapons, top one offensive line, top five defense.
47:22
Speaker 3: That's not what Jaden Daniels had.
47:25
Speaker 2: Okay, if you want to go that way, then what
47:27
Speaker 2: about Lamar? Last year? Lamar had the number one team
47:29
Speaker 2: in my model, and everyone's a model, it's a professional better.
47:32
Speaker 2: He lost at home to the Chiefs. Couldn't score more
47:34
Speaker 2: than seventeen points at home. I mean, that's that's my thing.
47:37
Speaker 2: You're like, we all.
47:38
Speaker 3: Agree, were just talking about we were just talking about
47:41
Speaker 3: Jayden Daniels v. Jalen Hurts. Yeah, because you want to
47:45
Speaker 3: talk about Lamar, we can talk about Lamar because you
47:47
Speaker 3: just talked about how much of a team sport it was.
47:49
Speaker 2: And my whole pushback to you was, Lamar had a
47:51
Speaker 2: better team on paper in that Eagles team last year. Brother,
47:54
Speaker 2: like anyone you talked to as a model, that team
47:57
Speaker 2: from two years ago, that home Ravens team that lost
47:59
Speaker 2: to the Chiefs who were a four seed, that were bad,
48:03
Speaker 2: That was not a good team that won that Super
48:05
Speaker 2: Bowl against that FORIYDN and Iris team, right, Lamar laid
48:08
Speaker 2: an egg And you could say, well, okay, we'll put
48:11
Speaker 2: that on Lamar. But Lamar had a better team than
48:13
Speaker 2: Eagles and he laid an egg at home against that
48:15
Speaker 2: Chiefs team.
48:16
Speaker 3: You're saying, saying the Ravens team of two years ago
48:19
Speaker 3: was better than the Eagles team of last year?
48:21
Speaker 2: Is your plot if you if you as a professional
48:23
Speaker 2: better than models it out? Yeah, they're high.
48:25
Speaker 3: Okay, I just want to I just want to be
48:26
Speaker 3: sure I'm understanding. You're talking about two years ago Ravens
48:28
Speaker 3: team and last year's Eagles team and then doing two
48:30
Speaker 3: years ago Lamar Jackson against last year Jalen hurts no,
48:36
Speaker 3: because it's it's that's not exactly apples to apples and
48:39
Speaker 3: so like, and again.
48:40
Speaker 2: Using one that just said the best team right, Okay, the.
48:43
Speaker 3: Best team doesn't always win, but one data point of
48:47
Speaker 3: single elimination, like that's why, that's why extrapolating out and
48:52
Speaker 3: being like he wilted in this playoff game, it still
48:56
Speaker 3: is just one game again, difference with basketball the most
49:00
Speaker 3: important game, yes, the most important game.
49:03
Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, that's why I think people in media, I
49:05
Speaker 2: feel like you guys are missing the point here where
49:06
Speaker 2: it's like Lamar and no one's doubting Lamar is a
49:09
Speaker 2: better quarterback than Jalen Hurts. Right, me and Chat will
49:11
Speaker 2: do our top ten, we'll have Lamar above him. But
49:15
Speaker 2: my whole issue is like Hurts doesn't give the credit
49:17
Speaker 2: for what he does. Is in the playoffs, he makes
49:19
Speaker 2: it all work. He doesn't will He isn't like.
49:22
Speaker 3: I just got I got like honestly, like so is
49:24
Speaker 3: saying Jalen Hurts is the seventh best quarterback in football
49:28
Speaker 3: after being the Super Bowl? Is that like disrespectful?
49:31
Speaker 2: It depends you have above him. Like if you had
49:34
Speaker 2: Stafford above him, I have no issue with that. If
49:36
Speaker 2: you have Justin Herbert above him, I have an issue
49:39
Speaker 2: with that.
49:39
Speaker 3: Mahomes Allen Lamar Burrow Stafford. Uh, Like, yeah, I would.
49:47
Speaker 3: I would say that Jade and Daniels is better. Again
49:50
Speaker 3: isolating performances, I mean, because like we've have one. We
49:53
Speaker 3: have one year and he won what three playoff game
49:56
Speaker 3: or two two playoff games? Sure in one year with
50:00
Speaker 3: a with a worst team. But like so, like he
50:03
Speaker 3: he was mentally tough enough to not wilt in the
50:05
Speaker 3: first two games, but then he was mentally weak in
50:08
Speaker 3: the NFC Championship game. Like I just don't do my
50:11
Speaker 3: analysis off of like one game like that, Like Jalen
50:13
Speaker 3: Hurts is a gamer.
50:14
Speaker 2: But you that's my issue is you are doing it
50:16
Speaker 2: off one game.
50:17
Speaker 3: He was the Super Bowl MVP. That changes things.
50:21
Speaker 2: But that's what I'm saying is you're giving him his
50:22
Speaker 2: flowers now because of one game that you're missing the
50:25
Speaker 2: whole point.
50:26
Speaker 3: He was No, No, he was also awesome in the
50:28
Speaker 3: first Super Bowl. Yes, the first thing I said about
50:31
Speaker 3: Jalen Hurts was he's a gamer. He plays the he
50:33
Speaker 3: plays his best in the biggest games. That was the
50:35
Speaker 3: first thing I said about him. But I don't you
50:38
Speaker 3: but you just said you still would say Lamar is
50:40
Speaker 3: better than him, who doesn't play his best in the
50:43
Speaker 3: biggest games.
50:43
Speaker 2: Right, because Richard's because because of the sail. What I said, Yeah,
50:49
Speaker 2: for regular season, we're saying, when you are a top two,
50:51
Speaker 2: who is the better quarterback? Yeah, this position, Lamar ja
50:57
Speaker 2: the quarterback. Of course he's a two time MV, but
51:00
Speaker 2: he wilts.
51:01
Speaker 3: In the biggest games, the most important games.
51:03
Speaker 2: So that's the tough part, is like, I wouldn't. I'd
51:05
Speaker 2: rather have hurts than I will Lamar.
51:08
Speaker 3: No, you wouldn't.
51:08
Speaker 2: I would.
51:09
Speaker 3: No, that's no way, No, you wouldn't.
51:12
Speaker 2: You guys don't know about winning. You're talking to a
51:14
Speaker 2: winner here.
51:16
Speaker 3: You wouldn't.
51:18
Speaker 2: I would because I've seen the moments man. Like again,
51:21
Speaker 2: I've made a ton of money fading Lamar in the
51:25
Speaker 2: playoffs and every year I got to hear from Ravens
51:27
Speaker 2: fans saying you're gonna get caught. We're different this year,
51:30
Speaker 2: the team is different. Oh we got Derrick Henry. It's different.
51:33
Speaker 2: It's never different. It's always been the same, and that
51:36
Speaker 2: someday he'll break through, right, Peyton Mann eventually broke through.
51:39
Speaker 2: He got over that hump that is Tom Brady, Like
51:41
Speaker 2: I'm sure josh Alla will go over the hump that
51:42
Speaker 2: is Patrick Mahomes. It's just as an Eagus fans, I
51:45
Speaker 2: think that's what we're so annoyed about is just the
51:47
Speaker 2: Hurts disrespect was just so insane coming into the season
51:50
Speaker 2: because he had one down year where all these other
51:52
Speaker 2: guys can have just a bunch of nothing years like okay,
51:57
Speaker 2: good regular season, playoffs time come and they fall there.
52:00
Speaker 2: So that was just my biggest issue, Danny.
52:02
Speaker 3: I think, yes, sorry, it's very sensitive.
52:05
Speaker 1: Here's what I'm hoping for, But I love it.
52:07
Speaker 2: That's why I love the jail. It hurts the big
52:09
Speaker 2: because it's it's funny because I can see it from
52:10
Speaker 2: both sides.
52:12
Speaker 1: Here's what I would like, Danny, for you and I. Yeah,
52:16
Speaker 1: I would like for you and I to have the
52:18
Speaker 1: opportunity to be a sensitive and defensive about Caleb Williams
52:23
Speaker 1: after he's won two Super Bowls, as Eagles fans can
52:27
Speaker 1: be about Jalen Hurts and.
52:30
Speaker 3: This way, how what what rules do you think the
52:32
Speaker 3: NFL is going to have to change to counterbalance Caleb
52:35
Speaker 3: Williams's greatness, like like banning the tush push.
52:39
Speaker 1: That's right, but I can't even imagine right now because
52:42
Speaker 1: I can't even wrap my head around the idea of
52:43
Speaker 1: the Bears being good enough to need rules changes.
52:46
Speaker 3: I ben surely you're only going to be allowed to
52:48
Speaker 3: throw from inside the hash marks.
52:50
Speaker 1: After this year you can throw from inside the hash
52:53
Speaker 1: marks and with your opposite hand.
52:55
Speaker 3: Yeah, that's right.
52:57
Speaker 1: And also your helmet has to be on backwards.
53:00
Speaker 3: Yeah, in Chicago, you can do that at home. Yeah,
53:05
Speaker 3: I think that's I think. I think that's what's coming.
53:08
Speaker 3: I think that's what's coming. But Sam, to answer your
53:10
Speaker 3: point your question, like, yeah, I think about what I'm
53:12
Speaker 3: going to say on TV before I say it. That's how.
53:15
Speaker 2: That's how that you know it's gonna be hot. You
53:18
Speaker 2: know it's gonna be a hot topic. Though, like you
53:20
Speaker 2: know it's a hot take, no man, Like like I think,
53:22
Speaker 2: I but like, I think what you just said is
53:25
Speaker 2: a hot take. You said that you would rather have
53:28
Speaker 2: Jalen Hurts than Lamar Jackson. That's a hot take. Welcome
53:31
Speaker 2: to television, Thank you, you know what I mean?
53:34
Speaker 3: Like like you, people say hot take is a pejorative,
53:36
Speaker 3: but you really believe it, right.
53:38
Speaker 2: I really believe in the sense that I have the
53:40
Speaker 2: data to back it up for sure.
53:42
Speaker 3: Well, you see me going on TV without data and
53:46
Speaker 3: facts behind me, not you.
53:48
Speaker 2: But okay, we know, uh, we know that a lot
53:51
Speaker 2: of people do not definitely not you, But I'm.
53:53
Speaker 3: Just knowing iven just curious like like but like, I
53:55
Speaker 3: just I think that, By the way, there's plenty of
53:58
Speaker 3: data that can show that Lamar Jackson is better than
54:00
Speaker 3: Jalen Hurts. You can make any case that you want.
54:04
Speaker 2: Again, if you want to dominate the regular season, dominate it.
54:09
Speaker 3: Okay, fine, but that again, that's the art. Again. I
54:12
Speaker 3: can show you plenty of data that says Lamar is
54:14
Speaker 3: better than Jalen Hurts, and you can show me playoff
54:16
Speaker 3: data that says that Jailen is better than Lamar, And
54:20
Speaker 3: then I would come at you and argue sample size,
54:23
Speaker 3: and then you would come at me and argue your
54:25
Speaker 3: model for overall team support, and like, that's the beauty
54:28
Speaker 3: of sports man Like it's a you can have that.
54:33
Speaker 1: That's the beauty of doing it on television. You can
54:36
Speaker 1: have that argument and that debate NonStop for just about
54:40
Speaker 1: every team in every single sport like we've just been having. Like,
54:44
Speaker 1: there are data points that can be used to support
54:49
Speaker 1: your argument no matter what your argument is. The fun
54:53
Speaker 1: part is when you truly go all in and believe it,
54:56
Speaker 1: have to defend it, and then have to live with
54:58
Speaker 1: it over the course of an entire season, no doubt.
55:02
Speaker 3: Like and I love planning my flag and taking a
55:05
Speaker 3: position and it's it's what makes it fun. And and
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Speaker 3: by the way, I have no problems saying I was wrong.
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Speaker 3: I obviously was wrong about the Eagles, you know what
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Speaker 3: I mean, Like I obviously was wrong, and then I
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Speaker 3: just say I was wrong, like it's not it doesn't
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Speaker 3: It doesn't bother me at all, like the losing bets
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Speaker 3: bothers me, you know what I mean, Like like being
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Speaker 3: wrong about an opinion, it doesn't mean I don't believe it.
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Speaker 3: It doesn't mean it's fake. And by the way, I
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Speaker 3: have a researcher dedicated to propping up my takes with
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Speaker 3: data and with facts and with information like it's it's
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Speaker 3: an amazing amount of resources that we have at our disposal.
55:45
Speaker 3: But yeah, some people just don't have an ability to
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Speaker 3: admit that they're wrong. And I think that that's like
55:52
Speaker 3: just a bad character trait. And by the way, I
55:55
Speaker 3: genuinely feel like being a gambler helps you admit you're wrong.
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Speaker 1: Because I was going to ask you that before to
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Speaker 1: get out of here, which is wrong, which is harder
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Speaker 1: being wrong for betting and having to defend it versus
56:09
Speaker 1: being wrong for an opinion and knowing that you got
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Speaker 1: to come back with another opinion the next day.
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Speaker 3: Okay, I'm often bet I'm often betting based on my opinion,
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Speaker 3: and so that you are very interconnected. But again I
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Speaker 3: don't really look at either as like being hard like
56:38
Speaker 3: it it's just the job. Like I simon, what were
56:42
Speaker 3: you on picking NFL this year? Like personal or on
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Speaker 3: the show, whichever you'd care to share, I'd have.
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Speaker 2: To go back and look, but like personally, probably right
56:52
Speaker 2: around like it wasn't it wasn't a good year, wasn't
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Speaker 2: a bad year. But luckily, like Chad knows, I get
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Speaker 2: about the Chiefs and Ego super Bowl matchup. So it's
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Speaker 2: like I made six figures on super Bowl Future. So
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Speaker 2: it's like my life. I can't complain. I can't complain
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Speaker 2: to the other.
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Speaker 3: Great, you crushed it, Yeah that's awesome, But fifty to fifty,
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Speaker 3: I'm like picks, it's tough. How many shows did you miss?
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Speaker 2: Zero?
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Speaker 3: Right? So one has no bearing with the other, like
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Speaker 3: it's part of it. You talk about the wins, you
57:24
Speaker 3: talk about the losses, you talk about the correct predictions,
57:27
Speaker 3: you talk about the wrong predictions, and you still do
57:28
Speaker 3: content and you still show up because you're a professional,
57:31
Speaker 3: you know what I mean. Like so like and by
57:32
Speaker 3: the way, that's sick that you made six figures on that.
57:34
Speaker 3: That's awesome. It is funny, you know what I mean.
57:36
Speaker 3: It's it's fun. It's no text me that on the side.
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Speaker 3: Next time.
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Speaker 2: I got you, Chad, listen, thank god it because I
57:43
Speaker 2: was almost gonna lose my shit on Chad. But thank
57:45
Speaker 2: god Chad made the bet too.
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Speaker 3: Yeah that's excellent. But yeah, it's the type of thing
57:49
Speaker 3: where it's like I just I don't I'm not betting
57:53
Speaker 3: more than I can afford to lose, so the losses
57:55
Speaker 3: don't like really hurt you in that sense. And then
58:00
Speaker 3: the day, the thing that pays the mortgage is the
58:03
Speaker 3: takes and the TV show, And so just show up,
58:07
Speaker 3: win or lose, right or wrong, you know, like, just
58:09
Speaker 3: be a be a professional about it. So like, neither
58:12
Speaker 3: one really bothers me to be honest.
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Speaker 1: With you, Davey Parkins breakfast Ball, We're glad you showed
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Speaker 1: up for us.
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Speaker 3: I'll be it a little late.
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Speaker 2: Right on top.
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Speaker 1: Dude, you showed up.
58:24
Speaker 3: I apologize, and I have no idea if this is
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Speaker 3: what you guys wanted to talk about, if you if
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Speaker 3: you guys wanted to do like NL Central futures. But
58:32
Speaker 3: I hope, I hope this is what you and your
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Speaker 3: audience wanted.
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Speaker 1: And uh, I really wanted to go deep on the
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Speaker 1: new bats and see how you felt about those. But
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Speaker 1: we'll do it, you know what, We'll do it next time.
58:42
Speaker 3: What amazing branding. Yeah, it's just that the word torpedo
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Speaker 3: is fun to say.
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Speaker 1: It's great. It's phenomenal branding. And there was actually a
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Speaker 1: great story in the Wall Street Journal today about the
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Speaker 1: physicist who created the bats and he gave up his
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Speaker 3: Yeah, but if they were, If they were, if the
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Speaker 3: guy's last name was was Mitchell and it was just
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Speaker 3: like the Mitchell bat, no one would talk about that
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Speaker 3: is good. But it's the torpedo bat. Yeah, but oh
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