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Credlin | 16 December · Credlin

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Speaker 1: Peter Krandland live on Sky News Australia.
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Speaker 2: Good evening and welcome to the program. I'm Caleb Bond
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Speaker 2: in the chair. All week. Let's take a look at
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Speaker 2: tonight's top stories. Here's what's coming up on the program.
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Speaker 2: Two new board members for the Reserve Bankers. Treasurer Jim
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Speaker 2: Chalmers hopes for a rate cut for next year's federal election.
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Speaker 2: The Melbourne Storm has announced it scaling back It's Welcome
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Speaker 2: to Country ceremonies, but there might now be more groups
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Speaker 2: in line for an acknowledgment. A cricket commentator with Indian
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Speaker 2: heritage has to apologize for supposedly racidly vilifying an Indian cricketer,
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Speaker 2: and the worst treasurer in Victoria's history finally calls it quits.
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Speaker 3: I think we can look back on the body of
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Speaker 3: work and say, well, the economy is solid, the fiscal
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Speaker 3: position is improving and sound.
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Speaker 2: Extraordinary, isn't it now? I barely thought about the Bali
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Speaker 2: nine until a few weeks ago. I wasn't worried about them.
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Speaker 2: I wasn't sure how many of them were left. They
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Speaker 2: didn't even enter my mind, and I imagine it was
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Speaker 2: much the same for you. I mean, really, who goes
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Speaker 2: around worrying about the welfare of convicted drug smugglers, apart
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Speaker 2: perhaps from drug smugglers and their associates. But out of
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Speaker 2: nowhere came this plan to repatriate the five remaining members
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Speaker 2: of the Bali Nine to Australia. Anthony Albanesi apparently bailed
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Speaker 2: up the new Indonesian president, Praboo Subianto at Apek and
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Speaker 2: asked if we could have them back. Then Home Affairs
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Speaker 2: Minister Tony Berkwin to Indonesia a couple of weeks ago
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Speaker 2: to work out a deal, and they signed it off
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Speaker 2: last week.
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Speaker 4: Why, I mean, why are we.
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Speaker 2: Concerned with bringing convicted drug smugglers to Australia. I don't
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Speaker 2: care if they're Australian. I don't care if they're remorseful.
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Speaker 2: I don't care if they've already served nineteen years. They're
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Speaker 2: drug smugglers, heroin smugglers. Had they managed to smuggle that
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Speaker 2: four million dollars of heroin out of Indonesia, and keep
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Speaker 2: in mind that's four million dollars nineteen years ago, so
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Speaker 2: more than six and a half million today, then Australians
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Speaker 2: would undoubtedly have died. These five scumbags and their four
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Speaker 2: other mates, three of whom are now dead.
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Speaker 4: Without a tear being.
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Speaker 2: Shed, would have killed people, not with a gun, not
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Speaker 2: with a knife. So unfortunately they couldn't be done for murder.
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Speaker 2: But with drugs there's very little difference as far as
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Speaker 2: I'm concerned. No one just dabbles in heroin. The only
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Speaker 2: people to whom you sell heroine are addicts whose lives
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Speaker 2: are at risk. You smuggle heroin into this country and
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Speaker 2: you sell it because you have no regard for human life,
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Speaker 2: only regard for your own profits. And these are the
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Speaker 2: people that the Albaneze government thinks need to be brought
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Speaker 2: back to Australia.
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Speaker 4: This was the Prime Minister earlier today.
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Speaker 5: This is of compassion by President Theboa.
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Speaker 4: And we thank him for it.
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Speaker 5: After nineteen years in Indonesian prison, it was time for
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Speaker 5: them to come home. And I had the opportunity to
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Speaker 5: speak to a number of the parents last night of
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Speaker 5: these people, they are grateful that their sons have been
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Speaker 5: able to return home. They did a serious crime and
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Speaker 5: they have rightly paid a serious price for it. But
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Speaker 5: it was time for them to come home.
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Speaker 2: I mean, sure they've paid a serious price, but why
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Speaker 2: was it time for them to come home. You know,
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Speaker 2: I get the argument that Indonesian prisons are harsher and
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Speaker 2: their sentences are harsher and all that, but let's be serious.
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Speaker 2: You would have to be one of the thickest people
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Speaker 2: in the world living under a rock to not know
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Speaker 2: that Indonesia doesn't take kindly to drug smugglers. The Bali
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Speaker 2: nine tried it on in April two thousand and five,
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Speaker 2: and it was only seven months earlier that Chappelle Corby
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Speaker 2: was picked up at den Pasari Airport with marijuana. I mean,
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Speaker 2: imagine looking at that as an Australian and thinking less
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Speaker 2: than a year later that it would be a good
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Speaker 2: idea to smuggle heroine out of Indonesia.
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Speaker 4: They were just young and stupid.
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Speaker 2: Well, perhaps they were stupid in thinking that they could
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Speaker 2: get away with it, but they're victims of their own stupidity.
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Speaker 2: They showed willful contempt for the laws of both Australia
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Speaker 2: and Indonesia straight after a media circus over another Australian
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Speaker 2: caught up in Indonesia's strict regime against drugs. They knew
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Speaker 2: what they were potentially in for. We didn't make them
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Speaker 2: go to Indonesia to smuggle nearly nine kilos of heroin
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Speaker 2: back to Australia, so why is it our responsibility to
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Speaker 2: bring them home. Tony Wood's daughter Anna died in Sydney
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Speaker 2: after taking ecstasy in nineteen ninety five five. Her case,
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Speaker 2: you might recall, was a high profile one in the
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Speaker 2: fight against drugs in the nineties and early two thousands.
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Speaker 4: Mister Wood told The Daily Telegraph that it's.
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Speaker 2: People like them, the Bally nine, who bring drugs into
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Speaker 2: the country and every once in a while a user
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Speaker 2: has a bad reaction to it and gets caught out
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Speaker 2: and dies. I think of Anna every day. They say
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Speaker 2: time heals, but you never get over losing a child.
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Speaker 2: Organizing the return of the Nine should never have been
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Speaker 2: a focus for Alberanisi. That man is a dope, a fool.
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Speaker 2: He's not very bright. And you can just imagine how
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Speaker 2: former heroin addicts must feel today, how people who've lost
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Speaker 2: friends and loved ones to heroin or other drugs must
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Speaker 2: feel watching peddlers of the products that killed those closest
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Speaker 2: to them. People who wanted to bring more of these
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Speaker 2: drugs to Australia be released into the Australian community and
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Speaker 2: this is the other thing. When all this started a
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Speaker 2: few weeks ago, the suggestion was that they'd continue to
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Speaker 2: serve their sentences in Australian prisons. But after they were
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Speaker 2: secretly flown back into the country yesterday they were released
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Speaker 2: free men. And not only were they released, they were
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Speaker 2: flown here on the taxpayer dollar and then offered taxpayer
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Speaker 2: funded accommodation. Albertiezy said the government would support their rehabilitation
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Speaker 2: and reintegration.
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Speaker 4: I mean, for heaven's sake, here we.
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Speaker 2: Are nine days to Christmas, and I'm sure it'll be
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Speaker 2: a fabulous Christmas for the families of the five drug
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Speaker 2: smugglers who've just been brought back here, and hopefully it'll
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Speaker 2: be a fabulous Christmas for you too, But for a lot.
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Speaker 4: Of people it won't be. There are people all over.
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Speaker 2: The country right now who've slogged their guts out all year,
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Speaker 2: worked as hard as they possibly can to support their families,
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Speaker 2: and they are tearing their hair out right now trying
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Speaker 2: to find a way to put on Christmas lunch next
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Speaker 2: week without branking the bank. Parents right now sick with
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Speaker 2: anxiety because they have to choose between the power bill
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Speaker 2: or Christmas presents.
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Speaker 4: For their kids. And what are they getting from the
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Speaker 4: government free accommodation?
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Speaker 2: Certainly not they're paying more rent two hundred and seventy
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Speaker 2: five dollars off their power bill.
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Speaker 4: Good luck with that one.
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Speaker 2: I mean, I know what the government is spending here
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Speaker 2: is small bigies compared to lots of other things.
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Speaker 4: But it doesn't matter.
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Speaker 2: What matters is that this government has presided over seven
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Speaker 2: straight quarters of household GDP declined, the longest household recession
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Speaker 2: in half a century, and at one of the most
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Speaker 2: expensive times of the year. The Prime Minister is more
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Speaker 2: concerned with spending money on putting up drug smugglers and
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Speaker 2: teaching them how to live in Australia again. I mean,
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Speaker 2: they were welcome to come back to Australia under their own.
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Speaker 4: Steam after their sentences ended.
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Speaker 2: These five men are scum of the earth, death peddlers.
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Speaker 4: The Prime Minister may well wish them well, but I don't.
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Speaker 2: Well to talk about some of the energy stories around
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Speaker 2: today and are the news associate editor at The Australian,
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Speaker 2: Graham Lloyd joins me. Now, Graham, just quickly your reaction
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Speaker 2: to all this business with the balin nin or the
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Speaker 2: five of them that have been brought back. I just
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Speaker 2: don't know why the federal government would think right now
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Speaker 2: that this is their number one priority.
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Speaker 6: Certainly, I think that's the issue there, kayleb. I'm persuaded
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Speaker 6: by the argument that young people do stupid things for
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Speaker 6: all sorts of reasons, and twenty years in jail in
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Speaker 6: Indonesia is.
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Speaker 4: A pretty hefty penalty. But the bigger question is why.
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Speaker 6: Has the government made it such a priority and what,
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Speaker 6: if anything, have we given away in exchange for it.
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Speaker 6: I think these details are things that people deserve to know.
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Speaker 6: If there's a silver lining in it at all, is
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Speaker 6: it reintroduces to a new generation the penalties and pitfalls
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Speaker 6: of this sort of stupid behavior that has wrecked the
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Speaker 6: lives of these individuals, and they stand as a warning
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Speaker 6: to others just don't do it.
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Speaker 2: And of course, the Prime Minister said today that nothing
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Speaker 2: had been given as a concession to Indonesia. Now, look
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Speaker 2: that there may well be nothing on paper as a
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Speaker 2: concession right now, but we all know how this stuff works.
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Speaker 2: You do a favor for me now, and I come
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Speaker 2: along later and knock on the door and ask for one.
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Speaker 2: I suspect there is something in the back door that
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Speaker 2: may come through.
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Speaker 6: Certainly, diplomacy is a transactional business, so that it would
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Speaker 6: be highly unusual for there not to be at some
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Speaker 6: SAT relationship.
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Speaker 4: That's quite correct.
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Speaker 5: Now.
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Speaker 2: I've been talking and writing about nuclear energy for years now,
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Speaker 2: like you have, Graham, and I've said all along that
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Speaker 2: the first thing that should happen, and I don't think
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Speaker 2: really there's any argument against it is to lift the
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Speaker 2: ban on nuclear energy because it doesn't mean that the
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Speaker 2: government has to build it doesn't mean that anyone has
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Speaker 2: to build it, but it at least means that it
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Speaker 2: exists as a legal option. I mean, you can hardly
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Speaker 2: expect an Origin or an age Yel or any other
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Speaker 2: investor to seriously look at a form of power that's illegal.
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Speaker 2: And as we know, we had on Friday the Opposition
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Speaker 2: lay out their details of their big plan. But the
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Speaker 2: PM was asked yesterday about lifting the moratorium and this
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Speaker 2: is what he had to say.
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Speaker 5: No one is going to They couldn't even get the
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Speaker 5: Queen's n LMP to drop their moratorium because it makes
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Speaker 5: no sense. There's a moratorium in his own state, there's
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Speaker 5: a moratorium in New South Wales across federally, and you
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Speaker 5: know who introduced the moratorium on nuclear energy. Here's a
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Speaker 5: question for the media. See if you can guess, I'll
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Speaker 5: give you a I'll give you a clue. He was
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Speaker 5: Prime Minister for a long time. John Howard introduced the
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Speaker 5: moratorium on nuclear energy.
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Speaker 2: Now, yes, Howard introduced the moratorium. It was he did
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Speaker 2: a deal with Victoria to take it national.
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Speaker 4: That's how we ended up with all of that.
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Speaker 2: But how can he seriously argue against lifting the motor
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Speaker 2: and say, oh, well, the States aren't on what Who
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Speaker 2: cares whether the States are not on board or not.
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Speaker 2: Just lift the moratorium and let the market decide.
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Speaker 4: And these of course you are in.
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Speaker 2: Some way scared that if you lift the moratorium it
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Speaker 2: might actually work, and then you look like a fool.
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Speaker 6: Well, it's certainly an extraordinary thing, isn't it to think
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Speaker 6: that technology that's used widely around the world remains banned
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Speaker 6: even from consideration in Australia. There's no harm in having
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Speaker 6: a look, you would suggest, But that's completely off the table.
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Speaker 6: Now we have to also look at a bit of
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Speaker 6: history here.
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Speaker 4: John Howard did.
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Speaker 6: The deal to allow a refreshing of the existing nuclear
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Speaker 6: reactor in Sydney for medical purposes, and since that time
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Speaker 6: the issue of climate change has changed to demate dramatically.
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Speaker 6: There wasn't talk about decarbonizing energy systems when those decisions
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Speaker 6: were taken. And it's always good policy that if the
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Speaker 6: fact change, your right to change your mind. And we're
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Speaker 6: seeing a dogged determination from stopping that happening, and you
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Speaker 6: certainly have to ask why.
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Speaker 4: You certainly do it.
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Speaker 2: I mean, when we talk about energy sometimes I feel
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Speaker 2: like I'm hitting my head against a brick wall.
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Speaker 4: I'm shying.
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Speaker 2: You feel the same grave. I mean, how many times
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Speaker 2: have we had the energy market operator tell us that
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Speaker 2: we need more gas? We've done nothing about that. But
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Speaker 2: I couldn't believe this one from Zalie.
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Speaker 4: Stegel t you MP.
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Speaker 2: Of course, she says that baseload power is an antiquated notion.
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Speaker 4: Take a look.
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Speaker 7: This idea that we need this baseload is an antiquated
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Speaker 7: idea as well. Our grid is evolving and changing. We
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Speaker 7: are now with smart technology and appliances, able to meet
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Speaker 7: the needs of the grid by turning on and off
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Speaker 7: as required on demand.
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Speaker 4: Honestly, that's it. I'm done.
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Speaker 2: I mean, how can some one who is charged with
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Speaker 2: making laws about this stuff. Actually sit there and say
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Speaker 2: that base load power is an antiquated notion. I mean,
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Speaker 2: is she suggesting that we must only use power when
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Speaker 2: the sun is shining and the wind is blowing, etc.
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Speaker 2: Or is she suggesting that we should all have batteries
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Speaker 2: on the side of our houses, Which is great if
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Speaker 2: you live in one of the till electrics and have
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Speaker 2: the money to do it, but it's not much good
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Speaker 2: to everyone else.
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Speaker 6: Well, I think in this case, Caleb, she's talking her book.
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Speaker 6: She's putting the view of people who sell the batteries
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Speaker 6: and the panels and the other stuff and profit quite
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Speaker 6: well out of the chaos that is the existing energy market.
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Speaker 6: It's a bit of a semantic word game over this
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Speaker 6: issue of base load. What we're really talking about is
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Speaker 6: having a proportion of energy in the system that you
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Speaker 6: can rely upon when the intermittent sources are working. Call
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Speaker 6: it whatever you like, it's a sort of given prooven.
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Speaker 6: In fact, ever in the world you are going to
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Speaker 6: need hydro coal, gas or something that is there. And
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Speaker 6: this notion that you can simply turn everyone off when
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Speaker 6: there's not enough, that's no way to run a first
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Speaker 6: world country.
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Speaker 4: It's just ridiculous. Quickly before we go Graham.
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Speaker 2: Victoria, of course wants to get rid of gas, which
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Speaker 2: I mentioned before from household Country's gas cook top, et cetera.
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Speaker 2: But Redbridge has done a poll out today found that
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Speaker 2: only fourteen percent of respondents were more likely to vote
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Speaker 2: for the government because of it, and nearly forty eight
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Speaker 2: percent said it would make them less likely to vote
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Speaker 2: for the government. I mean, people are voting with their feet.
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Speaker 2: They still want gas. Even the federal government acknowledges that
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Speaker 2: gas is important to the grid, why can't Victoria and
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Speaker 2: the workest state in the country see it.
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Speaker 6: Well, this is the big learning from the energy transition
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Speaker 6: that people don't like to be told what to do
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Speaker 6: and they don't like to be forced to pay for it.
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Speaker 6: So it's all very well to hold views about things,
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Speaker 6: but the rubber really hits the world, hits the road
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Speaker 6: when it impacts on your personal space, and that's what
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Speaker 6: we're seeing here. So ultimately, there's an authoritarian bent to
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Speaker 6: the climate crusade to restrict people's flying, use of travel,
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Speaker 6: use of gas, and other things. And there's only so
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Speaker 6: much that people will tolerate. No surprise at all that
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Speaker 6: it's Victoria at the leading edge of trying to introduce
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Speaker 6: these compulsions.
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Speaker 2: Yeah, well, hopefully the people are revolting, but not quite
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Speaker 2: as revolting as the government in Victoria. Graham Lloyd, thank
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Speaker 2: you for your time. I have to say as well.
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Speaker 2: I've just moved into a place. After years and years
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Speaker 2: of only having electric cooktops in rentals, I moved into
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Speaker 2: one with a gas cooktop and I'm thrilled about it.
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Speaker 2: I can finally use a walk properly for the first
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Speaker 2: time in long time. So many things you can't do
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Speaker 2: with electric. Don't take our gas away now. I talked
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Speaker 2: on the Sunday Showdown last night about these reports that
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Speaker 2: the Melbourne Storm in the NRL had scrapped welcomes to
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Speaker 2: country from their home games. Now, this was a report
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Speaker 2: in the Sunday Herald Sun, and I said last night
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Speaker 2: it was proof that people have finally woken up.
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Speaker 4: We've had an half.
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Speaker 2: Of this performative virtue signaling that actually divides us. And
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Speaker 2: funnily enough, it was popular with other NRL club bosses.
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Speaker 2: One was quoted in the paper saying, good on Melbourne storm.
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Speaker 4: The storm all.
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Speaker 2: Located in the heartland of the AFL, who are so
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Speaker 2: woke Melbourne probably felt they had to do it at
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Speaker 2: every game. When they didn't, I mean, heck, you could
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Speaker 2: have knocked me over with a feather. Finally a bit
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Speaker 2: of common sense out of these sporting leagues. But I
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Speaker 2: had to laugh today because the storm of course, have
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Speaker 2: since coming to clarify what's actually happening here.
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Speaker 8: Now.
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Speaker 2: Yes, they are cutting back on welcomes to country. Good
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Speaker 2: on them, fair enough, they'll do about three a year,
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Speaker 2: but they're also doing some sort of cultural planning review
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Speaker 2: for next year which will consider and I'm not joking here,
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Speaker 2: having acknowledgments not just for indigenous people but people from Tonga, Samoa,
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Speaker 2: Fiji and New Zealand, and for the Kiwei's. There might
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Speaker 2: even be a hark for heaven's sake, joining me now,
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Speaker 2: Nick Catera from the Menzies Research Center and on the
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Speaker 2: desk Herescarne News contributor Louise Roberts. Nick, I'll start with you.
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Speaker 2: I mean, look, I'm glad that they're winding back the
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Speaker 2: welcomes to country, but seriously, are we now going to
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Speaker 2: have acknowledgments for Tongans, for Kiwi's, for Samoans? I mean,
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Speaker 2: why don't we just read out every country in the
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Speaker 2: world before n RL matches.
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Speaker 1: Yeah, it's hard, isn't it. That they're trying to wean themselves
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Speaker 1: off woke. They're they're trying to go cold Turkey but
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Speaker 1: finding it difficult, and they think, well, we just have
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Speaker 1: a little bit of woke just to guide us through. No,
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Speaker 1: you really just have to say no to the lot
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Speaker 1: and recognize that the diversity, equity and inclusion narrative is
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Speaker 1: just the old revolutionary new left narrative from the nineteen
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Speaker 1: sixties in a slightly more palatable form. This thing has
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Speaker 1: got a terrible intellectual history, and what it does it
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Speaker 1: causes employ thousands of people, tens of thousands of people,
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Speaker 1: probably hundreds of thousands of people, you know, administering diversity.
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Speaker 1: So they're not going to let go of this under
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Speaker 1: any circumstance, which I guess they've been putting the pressure
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Speaker 1: on the Melbourne Storm, and why the Melbourne Storm now
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Speaker 1: seemed to be winding back. I'd advise them not to.
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Speaker 1: I have a hunch I haven't done the survey, but
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Speaker 1: I have a hunch that ninety nine percent of Melbourne
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Speaker 1: Storm fans are sick of welcome to country and just
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Speaker 1: want to get on with the game.
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Speaker 2: Well, I trust your polling a bit more than some
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Speaker 2: of the others I read sometimes, Nick, But I think
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Speaker 2: what this actually exposes. And I'll give them the credit
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Speaker 2: that they're winding back to welcomes to Country. That is
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Speaker 2: a good thing, But I think what it exposes the
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Speaker 2: idea that you're going to have these acknowledgements for all
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Speaker 2: these different cultures. It's just how ridiculous the acknowledgment to
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Speaker 2: country as it's applied in almost every circumstance now was
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Speaker 2: in the first place. Because now we're saying, oh, well,
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Speaker 2: you know, there are actually lots of other cultures that
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Speaker 2: contributing to our game and our country, etc. And surely
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Speaker 2: they are also deserving of recognition. And once you start
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Speaker 2: to recognize everyone as though they were special, you start
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Speaker 2: to realize that no one is special.
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Speaker 4: That's right.
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Speaker 9: So the inclusion play didn't really quite worked at it,
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Speaker 9: and I think there's a lot of fatigue as well,
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Speaker 9: as Nick says, in the sporting arena for these types
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Speaker 9: of things being shoved down the throats of players and
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Speaker 9: spectators and so forth. But I do commend Storm for
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Speaker 9: actually trying to do something. They haven't just gone along
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Speaker 9: with the cookie cutter approach what every other club has done,
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Speaker 9: which is very prevalent of course in the AFL in Victoria.
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Speaker 9: So if they can find something which is a sweet
19:37
Speaker 9: spot between the fans and the spectators and the players,
19:40
Speaker 9: then good on them. But at least they're doing something,
19:41
Speaker 9: they're not just going with the flow.
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Speaker 2: Yes, well, let's hope they adoptedly common sense in this
19:45
Speaker 2: review that they're doing now. There was a protest against
19:48
Speaker 2: anti semitism in Sydney yesterday that came off the back,
19:51
Speaker 2: of course, of the synagogue in Melbourne being fire bomb
19:54
Speaker 2: was obviously a spate of anti Semitic graffiti in Sydney,
19:58
Speaker 2: but Anthony Albanize and Penny Wong, they had their names
20:02
Speaker 2: read out at various points during this protest and it
20:05
Speaker 2: was met with booing.
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Speaker 4: Nick no great surprise. I wouldn't have thought.
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Speaker 2: I must say, I've been amused over the last week
20:12
Speaker 2: to see Albanesi and de Cina Allen down in Victoria,
20:16
Speaker 2: et cetera, coming out and it's almost like they've just
20:19
Speaker 2: realized that we have a problem with antisemitism in this country.
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Speaker 4: Oh, where could it have come from?
20:25
Speaker 2: Well, it's their lack of leadership that has led to this,
20:28
Speaker 2: and they're now trying to put themselves forward as though
20:31
Speaker 2: they are going to be the solution.
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Speaker 1: Yeah. I'd like to think that we treat our Prime
20:38
Speaker 1: Minister with respect and we don't boo him whatever we
20:42
Speaker 1: think of him. But I totally understand their feelings. Anthony
20:46
Speaker 1: Albanezi is fourteen months too late in coming to recognize
20:51
Speaker 1: the damage that antisemitism is doing. And of course it's
20:54
Speaker 1: been allowed to flourish and grow and perpetuate throughout the community.
20:59
Speaker 1: I mean, I heard only today of a junior girl
21:03
Speaker 1: in a in a junior girls soccer team getting accused
21:07
Speaker 1: of being a dirty Jew by the opposition on the
21:10
Speaker 1: football on the soccer pitch. It's it's just heartbreaking. Any
21:14
Speaker 1: Albanz has left this too late, and just as he
21:17
Speaker 1: appeared to be getting it last week, then Penny Wong
21:20
Speaker 1: agrees to this deal at the United Nation, which is basically,
21:23
Speaker 1: you know, thumbs up to hamas you know, go your
21:26
Speaker 1: hardest guys. We're going to give you an unconditional ceasefire,
21:28
Speaker 1: even though you haven't released the hostages, even though you
21:31
Speaker 1: won't laid down your arms. You know, from the start
21:35
Speaker 1: it was it was a simple case. You are you
21:37
Speaker 1: either are one hundred percent behind Israel and the Jewish
21:41
Speaker 1: community or you're not behind them. You can't be you
21:44
Speaker 1: can't be hedging your bets. And I'm afraid Anthony Albanize
21:47
Speaker 1: has been doing that and is still doing that.
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Speaker 2: Yeah, and he's trying to make up for one hundred
21:51
Speaker 2: miles an hour, Louise, but I don't think it's working.
21:54
Speaker 2: We'll clearly by the sentiment of the protest yesterday's certainly
21:56
Speaker 2: not worth no.
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Speaker 9: And two things. I think if Bob Hawk were alive,
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Speaker 9: he'd be horrified by the lack of support. I think
22:02
Speaker 9: from our labor PM towards that our very special community
22:05
Speaker 9: for all of us, and I think from the Jewish
22:08
Speaker 9: Australian community. The visceral anger was so evident in that protest.
22:11
Speaker 9: Although it was a peaceful protest, three thousand of them,
22:14
Speaker 9: they're making comments along the lines of, you know, we've
22:17
Speaker 9: reached a tipping point.
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Speaker 4: We no longer have any resilience. Anti Semitism is in
22:21
Speaker 4: some sort of vague threat.
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Speaker 9: It is here. It's fully imported into Australian society. Meanwhile,
22:27
Speaker 9: we have a PM who's focused on getting five convicted
22:29
Speaker 9: drugsmagels back from.
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Speaker 2: Indonesia precisely I've talked about at the top of the show.
22:34
Speaker 2: I still can't believe it. But that's where the priorities
22:36
Speaker 2: of this governor Adam. And there's so many things in
22:39
Speaker 2: front of them that they have just ignored for so long.
22:41
Speaker 2: And then, you know, Johnny come lately and expect that
22:43
Speaker 2: they're going to be taken seriously for it.
22:45
Speaker 4: You can't be surprised by the reaction. Now City of.
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Speaker 2: Sydney Councilor Matthew Thompson is pushing for the council to
22:52
Speaker 2: drop the opening prayer.
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Speaker 4: For monthly counsel and is this whole real?
22:55
Speaker 2: Chest Naday Thompson says, we're a council, not a church,
22:59
Speaker 2: and the current prayer doesn't reflect our community and the
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Speaker 2: broad diversity of views that are held. Now, look, Nick,
23:06
Speaker 2: you know, it probably doesn't much matter to me whether
23:10
Speaker 2: they have a prayer before the council meeting or not.
23:12
Speaker 2: I just want them to run the council effectively. But
23:16
Speaker 2: they probably should have a prayer, and the prayer they
23:19
Speaker 2: do at the moment, it's all about how, you know,
23:21
Speaker 2: we will deliver good governance with the people of SIDNEYL Wizard.
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Speaker 4: Get rid of that.
23:25
Speaker 2: They should be doing a prayer for the rate payers
23:27
Speaker 2: of Sydney, and every other council should be doing the
23:30
Speaker 2: same to say, my God, you people, we take all
23:33
Speaker 2: your money and we're not doing anything with it.
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Speaker 1: Yeah, exactly. I think a prayer's a very good idea,
23:39
Speaker 1: perhaps a lord's prayer. Perhaps they could start by recognizing
23:42
Speaker 1: and forgive us our trespasses. My local council here is
23:47
Speaker 1: doing a lot of those right now, spending a lot
23:49
Speaker 1: of my money and putting the rates up. You know,
23:52
Speaker 1: I have a bit of humility. Look, this is crazy.
23:54
Speaker 1: But they have a new prayer now, of course, which
23:57
Speaker 1: is the welcome to country prayer, which is a new
24:00
Speaker 1: it's the new religion. It's all part of the new
24:02
Speaker 1: woke religion. So they think they can do away with
24:06
Speaker 1: the greatest, the greatest religion that's ever been invented and
24:10
Speaker 1: has been around for two thousand years, sustaining people, still
24:13
Speaker 1: sustaining people today through suffering and difficulty and bringing a
24:19
Speaker 1: touch of humility. That's a great thing that Christianity does.
24:22
Speaker 1: From here, it humbles you, you know, you realize you're
24:26
Speaker 1: not the center of the universe. So perhaps they should
24:29
Speaker 1: think again about patterning prayers before the council.
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Speaker 2: Our counselor and humble are two words that don't normally
24:35
Speaker 2: go together, Louise, and that is perhaps the problem here.
24:38
Speaker 2: You couldn't have anyone above the council.
24:40
Speaker 4: Could you? God?
24:41
Speaker 9: No, But it was very interesting that Clover war is that,
24:43
Speaker 9: in fact not in favor of removing the prayer. So
24:46
Speaker 9: we'll have to see what happens tonight when they vote
24:47
Speaker 9: on the matter before it goes to the ubiquitous community consultation.
24:51
Speaker 9: But I think getting bit of a prayer overall is
24:53
Speaker 9: a garbage idea, and in fact the only garbage that
24:56
Speaker 9: this newly elected Counselor should be tackling is the state
24:59
Speaker 9: of the bins in the city of Sydney.
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Speaker 4: There easily very good.
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Speaker 2: Now, before we go, how good is this one? Former
25:06
Speaker 2: AFL star Saverio Rocker. He played two hundred and fifty
25:10
Speaker 2: seven games for Collingwood and North Melbourne. He then went
25:12
Speaker 2: over to the US to play in the NFL for
25:14
Speaker 2: six years. He's chased down a thief at Northland Shopping
25:17
Speaker 2: Center in Melbourne. Now he saw some bloke having a
25:19
Speaker 2: scuffle with a worker in a clothing shop, and they
25:22
Speaker 2: took off with a bundle of gear, and he told
25:24
Speaker 2: the Herald's son, I started chasing him, and I was
25:27
Speaker 2: running out the door, yelling a few f words, and
25:29
Speaker 2: I said, if I catch up with you, I'll fix
25:31
Speaker 2: you up. He decided to drop all the clothes and said,
25:35
Speaker 2: all right, I mean imagine robbing.
25:37
Speaker 4: A play Snick and you look up and you.
25:39
Speaker 2: See a six foot five, one hundred and twenty kilo
25:42
Speaker 2: full forward who kicked seven hundred and forty eight goals
25:45
Speaker 2: coming at you.
25:48
Speaker 1: Did you say he played two hundred and fifty seven games, correct,
25:51
Speaker 1: He's just played his finest game. He's just played his
25:54
Speaker 1: finest game. What a great example for the rest of
25:58
Speaker 1: the community. We need more have a go heroes.
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Speaker 10: We need more.
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Speaker 1: People that will step up and put these idiots and
26:05
Speaker 1: these these thieves in their place.
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Speaker 2: Two right, We've only got fifteen seconds, Louise. But this
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Speaker 2: I just hope this means more people will actually take
26:12
Speaker 2: care of the community around.
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Speaker 9: The exactly as Nick said, to have a go heroes favorous,
26:15
Speaker 9: especially at Christmas. Also, Rocko got afford to percent discount
26:18
Speaker 9: on his trainers ah as.
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Speaker 4: Well as well he should. Louise roberts Nikator, thank you
26:24
Speaker 4: so much for your time.
26:25
Speaker 2: Coming up after the break, Treasurer Jim Chalmers has revealed
26:28
Speaker 2: the new Ark Reserve Bank, but will not mean higher
26:31
Speaker 2: or lower interest rates.
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Speaker 4: That more up with the break, we.
26:38
Speaker 2: Found that the composition of the news Sorry Reserve Bank
26:41
Speaker 2: boards that's plural today. Essentially, what the federal government has
26:45
Speaker 2: done is split it in two, with a monetary board
26:48
Speaker 2: that will oversee interest rates and a governance board that
26:51
Speaker 2: will look at the other affairs of the central Bank.
26:54
Speaker 2: The nine existing members were able to choose which board
26:56
Speaker 2: they'd sit on, and the two new members are Expended
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Speaker 2: Bank Boss Arnie Baker and A and U economics professor
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Speaker 2: Renee Fry mckibbon. Here was Treasury Jim Chalmers this morning.
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Speaker 11: So these are high quality, high caliber people, and together
27:12
Speaker 11: they present they represent the best mix of relevant skills
27:17
Speaker 11: and abilities and experience. I'm very proud to say that
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Speaker 11: women will make up the majority of both boards. And
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Speaker 11: this continues the very substantial progress that we've made when
27:27
Speaker 11: it comes to appointments in the Treasury portfolio.
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Speaker 4: Who cares if they're women.
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Speaker 2: I mean, I would have thought good monetary policy in
27:35
Speaker 2: keeping the economy on track were more important. But of
27:38
Speaker 2: course it raises the question of whether this is the
27:40
Speaker 2: federal government stacking the RBA board to deliver a rate
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Speaker 2: cut before the federal election.
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Speaker 4: This was Shadow treasurer Angus Taylor yesterday.
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Speaker 8: Our position on the Reserve Bank Board has been clear
27:51
Speaker 8: all along. We want to see the existing board transition
27:56
Speaker 8: to the new board. We've said would work with the
27:58
Speaker 8: Labor Party, but we don't support sac and stack. They
28:02
Speaker 8: decided they wanted to stand at a drafting gate and
28:05
Speaker 8: decide who went to which board. We don't agree with that.
28:08
Speaker 8: We've been clear about that all along. Our position won't change.
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Speaker 2: Scott Hargraves, Executive director of the Institute of Public Affairs,
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Speaker 2: is with me now. Scott, I must admit I'm not
28:18
Speaker 2: averse to the idea of having two separate boards, one
28:22
Speaker 2: that looks after the monetary policy in one that looks
28:24
Speaker 2: after the governance affairs of THEBA, because you know, presumably
28:29
Speaker 2: you'd like to have people who are specifically interested and
28:32
Speaker 2: expert in monetary policy looking after those things, and perhaps
28:36
Speaker 2: people who have other skill sets looking after governance issues.
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Speaker 4: Am I wrong to think that.
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Speaker 10: Ah In and of itself.
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Speaker 12: It's not a terrible idea, but it's a real pea
28:46
Speaker 12: and thimble trick, Caleb. I mean, this is a third
28:49
Speaker 12: or fourth order issue compared to the real drivers of inflation,
28:54
Speaker 12: which the federal government has been responsible for driving through
28:58
Speaker 12: inflationary budgets, out of control spending. That's what's keeping inflation up,
29:03
Speaker 12: that's what's keeping interest rates above the level that they
29:07
Speaker 12: otherwise might have been. So whether or not you have
29:10
Speaker 12: one board or two, the question is really is that
29:13
Speaker 12: really the key to getting interest rates down to a
29:17
Speaker 12: level that Australians are more comfortable with. And also we
29:20
Speaker 12: have to ask is this really a way for the
29:23
Speaker 12: Treasurer Jim Chalmers to apply that pressure to Michelle Bullock
29:28
Speaker 12: at the RBA, who so far has been has shown
29:32
Speaker 12: that she definitely has a spine.
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Speaker 10: She has withstood the Treasurer's.
29:38
Speaker 12: Blandishments to cut interest rates because she said rightly that
29:42
Speaker 12: looking at the economic policy settings that the federal government's
29:45
Speaker 12: put in place, she could not justify it. And what's
29:50
Speaker 12: happening here is certainly in the transition to two boards,
29:54
Speaker 12: there's opportunities.
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Speaker 10: To apply some of that pressure.
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Speaker 12: There's some good appointments are there, but you've got to
30:02
Speaker 12: think about that overall context.
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Speaker 10: Coled.
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Speaker 2: Indeed, I mean I think Michelle bullerc As you said,
30:06
Speaker 2: it's been an excellent appointment as governor of the RBA.
30:09
Speaker 2: I was skeptical to begin with. They thought, after Philip Low,
30:14
Speaker 2: it would have been good to get someone in there
30:15
Speaker 2: who wasn't from within the RBA microcosm, because often you
30:19
Speaker 2: end up with people from within the RBA who do
30:21
Speaker 2: what the RBAA has always done because that's all they've
30:23
Speaker 2: ever known. And I think that's probably where Philip Low
30:25
Speaker 2: went wrong to some degree. But she has been very clear,
30:29
Speaker 2: she's a great communicator, and she's taken it up to
30:32
Speaker 2: the federal government. It's no surprise then that they would
30:36
Speaker 2: want to water down her power to some degree. The
30:39
Speaker 2: question is whether or not they can actually get what
30:42
Speaker 2: they want, which is an interest rate cut before the
30:45
Speaker 2: federal election.
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Speaker 12: And you look at the levers that they've used here,
30:50
Speaker 12: and certainly the two women who are mentioned as appointees
30:56
Speaker 12: eminently qualified.
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Speaker 10: But I look down the list and.
30:59
Speaker 12: I see on on a monetary policy board that's supposed
31:02
Speaker 12: to be for expertise.
31:03
Speaker 10: There we have Ian Ross.
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Speaker 12: Later the fair Work Commission, someone that the ALP has
31:09
Speaker 12: called upon to fill in a number of roles, and
31:11
Speaker 12: who is currently the head of something called the Net
31:15
Speaker 12: Zero Authority, appointed only earlier this year by the same
31:19
Speaker 12: labor government. So on the one hand, he's meant to
31:22
Speaker 12: be in charge of a monetary policy board that, amongst
31:25
Speaker 12: other things, has full employment as an objective, but his
31:29
Speaker 12: day job is down at the Net zero Authority actually
31:33
Speaker 12: destroying the jobs of Australians by pursuing a crazy carbon goal.
31:38
Speaker 12: So it just makes you think that maybe people like
31:42
Speaker 12: Anian Ross are there really to be that conduit back
31:45
Speaker 12: to the government's role.
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Speaker 10: And I don't see how.
31:47
Speaker 12: That is really going to cut interest rates for anybody,
31:51
Speaker 12: because the only thing that's going to cut interest rates
31:53
Speaker 12: is government restraint on spending, which at the moment is
31:57
Speaker 12: out of control.
31:58
Speaker 2: Well, I mean, they think if the government keeps going
32:01
Speaker 2: the way they are, and we've had seven straight quarters
32:03
Speaker 2: of household income going backwards, will actually end up with
32:07
Speaker 2: knit zero money after all of this.
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Speaker 4: So maybe they're actually.
32:10
Speaker 2: Onto something getting it and it's their jobs from the
32:13
Speaker 2: knit zero board to run the show. And you mentioned
32:17
Speaker 2: two women there, and I mentioned this before, What on
32:19
Speaker 2: earth is the treasure doing. Oh, look, we've got lots
32:22
Speaker 2: of women on the RBA board. Does anyone actually look
32:25
Speaker 2: at the board of the RBA and go, oh, my god,
32:28
Speaker 2: I'm really glad that we've got more women than men
32:31
Speaker 2: deciding whether or not by interest rate goes up or down.
32:34
Speaker 2: I think we're all just rather concerned with whether or
32:36
Speaker 2: not we have money to pay the bills and feed
32:38
Speaker 2: our children, aren't we?
32:41
Speaker 10: Oh? Absolutely so.
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Speaker 12: The symbolic measures like this don't really go to the
32:46
Speaker 12: concerns of ordinary Australians. And the ironic thing for Jim Chalmers,
32:50
Speaker 12: now having been unsuccessful in twenty twenty four in jaw
32:54
Speaker 12: boning the RBA into a rate cut, is that perhaps
32:57
Speaker 12: one will be delivered just before the next election. But
33:00
Speaker 12: cale Australians aren't mugs. They know what's been driving inflation
33:04
Speaker 12: and the cost of living crisis. And if a new
33:08
Speaker 12: RBA board, a monetary policy board, whether it's female dominated
33:13
Speaker 12: or male dominated, cuts in zero point two to four
33:16
Speaker 12: percent off the mortgage rate and some of that gets
33:19
Speaker 12: passed through, Australians aren't mugs. They're going to see the
33:22
Speaker 12: big picture and they're just going to see that as
33:25
Speaker 12: more tokenism and I think at the ballot box they'll
33:29
Speaker 12: form a judgment based on three years of government, not
33:33
Speaker 12: two months of raid cuts.
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Speaker 2: Indeed, and they desperately want that raid cut because they
33:37
Speaker 2: haven't got much else to speak of as an achievement
33:39
Speaker 2: to during their time in government. Scott hard Graves, thank
33:42
Speaker 2: you so much for your time. Coming up after this,
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Speaker 2: the majority of Australians support the government's social media ban,
33:48
Speaker 2: but they have one.
33:49
Speaker 4: Major fear about it. I'll tell you what that is
33:51
Speaker 4: after the break.
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Speaker 10: Now.
33:56
Speaker 2: Labor rammed that social media ban for kids through the
33:59
Speaker 2: CINATE before Christmas because well they didn't.
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Speaker 4: Really have much else to speak of in terms of
34:03
Speaker 4: achievements this year.
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Speaker 2: But there's a poll today by Resolve Political Monitor that
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Speaker 2: chose most Australians support the idea of banning under sixteens
34:12
Speaker 2: from social media. That's not really surprising, but most don't
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Speaker 2: think it'll work and they don't want to hand over
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Speaker 2: their IDs to make it work. Let's bring in my
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Speaker 2: panel for tonight, Victorian Libertarian Party MP David Lindbrick and
34:25
Speaker 2: the PR Council Managing Director Christy McSweeney. Now the numbers
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Speaker 2: here are quite interesting. Fifty eight percent support a ban,
34:33
Speaker 2: but sixty eight percent don't think it'll be effective, forty
34:37
Speaker 2: five percent are reluctant to hand over ID, and rather surprisingly,
34:42
Speaker 2: parents are more likely to support a ban than those
34:45
Speaker 2: without kids. That's not the surprising bit. But they're also
34:48
Speaker 2: more likely to think that'll be ineffective, and they're more
34:52
Speaker 2: reluctant to submit ID than those without kids. So, David,
34:57
Speaker 2: we have here a policy that broadly, people like like
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Speaker 2: me say is noble. The idea is good, but no
35:03
Speaker 2: one seems to think it's actually going to work.
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Speaker 13: Australians have a good nose for what goes wrong with
35:12
Speaker 13: government it projects. I think they nearly always fail. I
35:15
Speaker 13: remember there was an app a few years ago called
35:18
Speaker 13: the COVID Safe App, and I remember lots of members
35:20
Speaker 13: of Parliament showing people installing it on their phones and
35:23
Speaker 13: spent millions of dollars on.
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Speaker 10: It, and it did nothing.
35:26
Speaker 13: It never worked.
35:27
Speaker 10: It was a failure.
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Speaker 13: In fact, one of my boys he uses YouTube, like
35:31
Speaker 13: many kids, he actually produces his own content. And I
35:35
Speaker 13: told him about this and his first response was, does
35:37
Speaker 13: this mean we need to get a VPN, Dad? And
35:39
Speaker 13: I said, yes, it does. Kids already know how to
35:41
Speaker 13: bypass this and it's clearly people know that it won't work.
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Speaker 13: It's a failure from the beginning.
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Speaker 2: And most people not well, not an absolute majority, Christy,
35:51
Speaker 2: it's forty five percent, but it's more than on the
35:53
Speaker 2: other side of the leiguer. Most people say that they're
35:56
Speaker 2: worried about handing over their ID. They don't want to
35:59
Speaker 2: hand over their ID. And of course this was a
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Speaker 2: large part of the discussion, and you were told, oh,
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Speaker 2: you were a conspiracy theorist or whatever if you said
36:07
Speaker 2: could potentially mean that your speech online gets linked to
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Speaker 2: your ID. But people are actually worried about this stuff,
36:13
Speaker 2: and rightly so, because if you one day end up
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Speaker 2: with it digital IDA or whatever being linked to your
36:19
Speaker 2: social media accounts to people, well, I don't want to
36:21
Speaker 2: be tracked if I criticized the government, the same government
36:24
Speaker 2: that wanted to bring in miss and disinfo laws to
36:26
Speaker 2: say what I could and couldn't say on social media,
36:28
Speaker 2: I don't want them to know who I am.
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Speaker 14: Well, there's a number of pieces to unpack here. Unfortunately
36:36
Speaker 14: the government doesn't want to unpack them. Both the Coalition
36:40
Speaker 14: and the Government have been guilty of supporting a SoundBite
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Speaker 14: thought bubble and are falling over themselves to prove who
36:48
Speaker 14: thought of it first, rather than to work through, work
36:52
Speaker 14: with Australia's leading technology industry and figure out a solution.
36:57
Speaker 14: I've heard David Coleman, the Opposition Communications spokesperson, quote payment
37:03
Speaker 14: platforms like after pay as expertise for social media. Now,
37:10
Speaker 14: that is about how far the technology industry has been
37:14
Speaker 14: invited to consult. And of course it is noble, as
37:19
Speaker 14: you say, Caleb, it's wonderful that mental health advocates, children's
37:23
Speaker 14: bullying experts, teachers, educators, health administrators have been involved. But
37:30
Speaker 14: when the Murdoch Children's Research Institute confront a committee that
37:34
Speaker 14: shut down within twenty four hours and the technology industry can't,
37:39
Speaker 14: we can see what is at play here. There's no
37:42
Speaker 14: coincidence at all that online gambling reforms and the social
37:46
Speaker 14: media ban are running concurrently with the potential to use
37:51
Speaker 14: the same id digital gate technology to solve both of
37:56
Speaker 14: those public policy problems. It's a packed agender for government,
38:02
Speaker 14: it's a packed agender for the coalition. Both sides haven't
38:05
Speaker 14: taken the time to isolate what is actually important policy
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Speaker 14: in here, and what's important is saving kids with tools
38:13
Speaker 14: that work.
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Speaker 4: So ban it but it's got to work.
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Speaker 2: Yeah, And of course it came up at the same
38:18
Speaker 2: time as the now dead Misinformation and Disinformation Biller, and
38:22
Speaker 2: that wasn't a coincidence. Now we know that anti Semitism
38:26
Speaker 2: is right at the moment, something needs to be done
38:28
Speaker 2: about it. But Labor and p Josh Byrne says that
38:30
Speaker 2: the government should lower the threshold for vilification under the
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Speaker 2: National Hate Speech Laws, which would include harm caused by vilification.
38:40
Speaker 2: So it would essentially work in a similar way to defamation,
38:43
Speaker 2: where you say, Okay, my reputation has been harmed in
38:46
Speaker 2: some way by vilification. I would have thought, David, that
38:50
Speaker 2: that is already covered by taught law in the form
38:54
Speaker 2: of defamation. It worries me, you know, we absolutely must
39:00
Speaker 2: rest the rise of antisemitism in this country that the
39:02
Speaker 2: federal government has allowed to fester by not standing up
39:05
Speaker 2: with some actual leadership and saying, come on, guys, this
39:08
Speaker 2: is not But then we start talking about applying laws
39:12
Speaker 2: to stop this kind of thing. It worries me to say, okay,
39:15
Speaker 2: will broaden the definition of realification now to help with antisemitism.
39:20
Speaker 2: But what does that potentially mean down the line.
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Speaker 13: Yeah, look, we've seen we've seen free speech under attack
39:29
Speaker 13: all around the world at the moment, where we have
39:32
Speaker 13: situations where something bad happens and things. You know, there
39:35
Speaker 13: has been some really bad things that have happened, and
39:37
Speaker 13: as you say, antisemitism really is out of control at
39:39
Speaker 13: the moment. But clamping down on speech like this is
39:43
Speaker 13: not the right solution. In fact, it creates more division
39:47
Speaker 13: and more resentment within society. The Victorian government's already bringing
39:51
Speaker 13: through their own social cohesion laws that they're calling it.
39:56
Speaker 13: This is totally the wrong way to go about it.
39:58
Speaker 13: It will backfire spectacular and Western civilization already has a
40:03
Speaker 13: mechanism to handle and maintain social cohesion, and that's respecting
40:08
Speaker 13: individual rights. And that's what we need to do, not
40:11
Speaker 13: bring in more laws that we can't enforce. When we're
40:14
Speaker 13: not even enforcing the laws that we got last I
40:16
Speaker 13: checked making threats or arson, we're still crimes correct.
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Speaker 4: Correct.
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Speaker 2: And the thing that really worries me about this sort
40:24
Speaker 2: of thing, Christie, is that people don't change their minds
40:27
Speaker 2: simply because you tell them they can't say something. They
40:30
Speaker 2: continue to think that way, but now they feel like
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Speaker 2: a victims. They go underground and.
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Speaker 4: They preach their weird, awful.
40:38
Speaker 2: Ideologies underground where we can't actually detect what they're doing.
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Speaker 14: I think this is a way for Josh Burns to
40:48
Speaker 14: pursue bringing his party to recognize that there's significant issues
40:54
Speaker 14: in his community.
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Speaker 4: That's the community in which I live.
40:57
Speaker 14: He's the local member, and I think he does a
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Speaker 14: fantastic job, and he's a wonderful advocate for the community
41:04
Speaker 14: overall and in particular the Jewish community at this time.
41:07
Speaker 14: So I can see the strategy of why he's called
41:11
Speaker 14: for this, But I do think we have had a
41:14
Speaker 14: number of iterations in our public debate around increasing laws
41:20
Speaker 14: around people being able to pursue legal action for hate speech,
41:26
Speaker 14: for racial slurs, for various other instances. I think we
41:30
Speaker 14: need to call out what's occurring at the moment for
41:33
Speaker 14: what it is, which is anti Semitism, which is absolutely
41:38
Speaker 14: an attack on a certain cohort in our community that
41:42
Speaker 14: hasn't previously existed.
41:44
Speaker 2: Correct now, I'm not sure if you two have been
41:45
Speaker 2: following the cricket. I was down in Adelaide last week.
41:48
Speaker 2: I was a bit peeved we've only got two and
41:50
Speaker 2: a bit days of cricket. But I reckon Isha Gua,
41:52
Speaker 2: she's on Fox Cricket. He's one of the best commentators
41:55
Speaker 2: going around.
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Speaker 5: Now.
41:56
Speaker 2: She was on ARE yesterday and she called Indian vae
42:00
Speaker 2: Captain Jasper Boomrah the MVP most Valuable Primate. Now, that
42:06
Speaker 2: was apparently picked up by some media outlets in India
42:09
Speaker 2: and they whipped it up into some kind of nonsense
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Speaker 2: racial storm.
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Speaker 4: So she had to go on here and apologize this morning.
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Speaker 15: I'm an advocate for equality and someone who has spent
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Speaker 15: their career thinking about inclusion and understanding in the game.
42:26
Speaker 15: I'm trying to frame the enormity of his achievements and
42:30
Speaker 15: I've chosen the wrong word, and for that I am
42:32
Speaker 15: deeply sorry. As someone who is also of South Asian heritage,
42:37
Speaker 15: I hope people would recognize that there was no other
42:40
Speaker 15: intention or malice there.
42:43
Speaker 2: Now, if you look up primate in the dictionary, you'll
42:45
Speaker 2: find it sees the chief bishop or archbishop of a
42:48
Speaker 2: province and he's the vice captain. So I think in
42:50
Speaker 2: that context the word can actually be used here. But
42:54
Speaker 2: how amazing is it that in twenty twenty four, a
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Speaker 2: woman of Indian heritage, she has two Indian parents, has
43:01
Speaker 2: to apologize for allegedly racially villifying an Indian man twenty
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Speaker 2: seconds each.
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Speaker 4: David, Well, it's you know, there's more.
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Speaker 13: I've seen more substance in a happy meal, I think
43:17
Speaker 13: than the harm here. She's obviously said a word that
43:21
Speaker 13: was misunderstood or mistranslated, and she's realized it's caused defense.
43:25
Speaker 13: She said, sorry, it's clase closed.
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Speaker 4: Quickly, Christy. I just can't believe this is just peak woke,
43:30
Speaker 4: isn't it.
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Speaker 14: I'm with you, Caleb. It's extraordinary someone, as she said,
43:36
Speaker 14: of South Asian heritage. She's played for England, she's a
43:39
Speaker 14: World Cup champion twice over two thousand and five, two
43:42
Speaker 14: thousand and nine.
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Speaker 10: I follow, I love her.
43:44
Speaker 4: I think she's fantastic.
43:45
Speaker 14: Really, it's bizarre someone who's grown up in England with
43:50
Speaker 14: her heritage and background and becoming a British champion. I
43:53
Speaker 14: can't imagine the amount of social media abuse she would
43:56
Speaker 14: have faced her.
43:57
Speaker 4: It's just insane. I love Easy Goer anyway.
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Speaker 2: Christian McSweeney, David Lindbrick, thank you so much for your time.
44:04
Speaker 2: Coming up after the break, we say goodbye to the
44:07
Speaker 2: worst treasurer in Victorian history with Victorian de Bilim p
44:10
Speaker 2: Bare MacArthur.
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Speaker 4: Don't go away.
44:16
Speaker 2: Down in Victoria, the worst and also sadly the longest
44:19
Speaker 2: serving treasurer in Victorian history, today announced he was going
44:23
Speaker 2: to hang up the check book and make way for
44:25
Speaker 2: the next generation of economically literate leadership. Well, he didn't
44:29
Speaker 2: quite use those words, but this is how he put it.
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Speaker 3: I will be resigning both as the Treasurer and a
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Speaker 3: member of Cabinet, and also resigning as the member for Werribee.
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Speaker 3: The intention has always been to make sure that we
44:47
Speaker 3: give more than we get in public life. I'll leave
44:50
Speaker 3: it to the prognosticators and the historians to decide whether
44:54
Speaker 3: or not I've achieved in that noble ambition.
44:58
Speaker 2: This is a proper Christmas gift for Victoria to see
45:01
Speaker 2: the back of him. I'm joined now by Victorian Liberally
45:04
Speaker 2: and p Beev MacArthur. Now he said there, mister Pallace,
45:07
Speaker 2: that in public life you should give more than you get,
45:11
Speaker 2: and I think he was certainly right on that count.
45:14
Speaker 4: He gave Victoria shed loads of debt.
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Speaker 16: Absolutely, Caleb, He's presided over the most disgraceful taxing situation.
45:27
Speaker 16: We've got fifty six new or increased taxes under his jurisdiction,
45:32
Speaker 16: and one of the taxes, which is not often talked
45:35
Speaker 16: about is the land tax that OSNET pay and this
45:40
Speaker 16: goes to everybody's electricity bill. Now OSNET are paying five
45:45
Speaker 16: percent of the land tax bill of Victoria on the
45:49
Speaker 16: easements of transmission lines. Now there's no wonder this government
45:54
Speaker 16: want to build new transmission lines on non public land
45:58
Speaker 16: because of course they don't get any tax off their
46:02
Speaker 16: own land, so they wanted on private land where they
46:06
Speaker 16: can get an easement tax out of OSNET. And this
46:11
Speaker 16: is an extraordinary situation turn of fifty six billion. They're
46:14
Speaker 16: collecting five percent of the land tax in Victoria from
46:20
Speaker 16: transmission lines effectively, and that's why we don't need above
46:27
Speaker 16: ground transmission lines. That the rate this government wants to
46:30
Speaker 16: roll them out, it's appalling. I even discovered in the
46:33
Speaker 16: local government in Quarry that they slapped a JAB tax
46:37
Speaker 16: on councils. Now all the councils that roll out of
46:40
Speaker 16: vaccination program are going to have to pay six thousand
46:45
Speaker 16: dollars for an administration fee and two dollars per JAB.
46:48
Speaker 16: And I said to the councilors, well, why didn't you
46:50
Speaker 16: just say no and hand it back to the Health
46:53
Speaker 16: department to roll out the vaccination program. They had no notice.
46:57
Speaker 16: They got an email thirty days a wepaying this taxes.
47:01
Speaker 16: One council told me they've actually must have been an
47:03
Speaker 16: am but claimed because they cut the administration fee by half.
47:07
Speaker 16: And now we're taxing you when you die because the
47:10
Speaker 16: probate has gone exponentially to cover probate fees. And we've
47:18
Speaker 16: got the fire insurance levee, which is levied on everybody
47:24
Speaker 16: who's got a household or a property, but the rate
47:27
Speaker 16: of the levee is much higher on farming land.
47:31
Speaker 10: These are usually the people.
47:33
Speaker 16: That go out and fight the fires, so they're paying
47:35
Speaker 16: a higher fire insurance levy. They're operating in thirty year
47:40
Speaker 16: old trucks and they're expected to put out the fires.
47:43
Speaker 16: It's absolutely shameful. So he's going to slink off back
47:47
Speaker 16: to Williamstown. He's never lived in Werriby and he's obviously
47:51
Speaker 16: run out of overseas trips because he was going out.
47:54
Speaker 16: It was going on overseas trips at the rate of
47:57
Speaker 16: not so there's no more trips he can access. So
48:00
Speaker 16: he's going back to his hole in Williamstown and we're
48:05
Speaker 16: all paying the price for his ten years of out
48:08
Speaker 16: rageous performance as a treasurer.
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Speaker 4: I know.
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Speaker 2: I just hope though, that this means we'll start to
48:14
Speaker 2: see a slow move away from the legacy of Daniel Andrews.
48:17
Speaker 4: Now.
48:18
Speaker 2: I know that takes a long time to unpick, but
48:20
Speaker 2: one by one these people are slowly moving out of
48:24
Speaker 2: the way.
48:24
Speaker 4: Getting Tim Pallas.
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Speaker 2: Out of the way, of course, changed factions so he
48:27
Speaker 2: could remain in Daniel Andrews's cabinet is at least one
48:31
Speaker 2: good move. Bib MacArthur, thank you so much for your time.
48:34
Speaker 2: And of course we talk about the land tax in Victoria.
48:37
Speaker 2: I mean I know of people through my accountant who's
48:39
Speaker 2: in Victoria. Their land tax bill has gone up exponentially,
48:43
Speaker 2: from like five grand to forty grand. If you are
48:46
Speaker 2: a landowner in Victoria, you are essentially an enemy of
48:50
Speaker 2: the state.
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Speaker 4: Good riddance to bad rubbish.
48:52
Speaker 2: Thank you so much for your company tonight. I'll be
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Speaker 2: back tomorrow night at six pm.
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Speaker 4: I'm kayleb Bond. The Bolt Report is up next with
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Speaker 4: James McPherson. Good night,