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Harrowing Hayden Panettiere Death Scene: Who Performed CPR? · Crime Stories with Nancy Grace

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  Speaker 1: TV and movie star Hayden Panettiere, that beautiful, tiny lady,
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  Speaker 1: a mother, was poisoned with, quote, a fake pill that
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  Speaker 1: looks like a pill you get at the CVS.
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  Speaker 2: Or the Walgreens.
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  Speaker 1: She died of a poisonous overdose, oxylase with fentanyl. She
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  Speaker 1: didn't even know what they were giving her. Delivered to
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  Speaker 1: Hayden Panettiere like an effing pizza. Illegal drugs, and now
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  Speaker 1: she's dead. Nobody's a suspect. These drugs just fell into
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  Speaker 1: her mouth and she swallowed. You've got somebody pressing those
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  Speaker 1: pills and you've got the dealer handing it to the
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  Speaker 1: courier that delivers it. And then you've got whoever took
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  Speaker 1: that bag from the courier and gave that pill to
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  Speaker 1: Hayden Panettiere. There's plenty of blame to go around. And yes,
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  Speaker 1: I'm angry. People say, why don't you smile? I'm not smiling.
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  Speaker 1: because Hayden Panettiere and so many like her are dead.
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  Speaker 3: Hayden Panettiere is a child actress who went on to
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  Speaker 3: great success. She detailed her substance abuse issues.
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  Speaker 4: Sadly, Hayden was found unresponsive on Sunday in an apartment
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  Speaker 4: in Greenville, South Carolina.
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  Speaker 3: She really told the world who she was beyond the superstar,
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  Speaker 3: the actress that we.
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  Speaker 2: All thought we loved.
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  Speaker 1: Joining us tonight, Crime Stories investigative reporter Dave Mack. Dave,
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  Speaker 1: what's the latest?
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  Speaker 5: Nancy, the 911 call about Hayden Panettiere has become available
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  Speaker 5: to all of us, and now we can prove that
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  Speaker 5: Zach Hickerson is the one that made the call.
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  Speaker 6: But there is something that's a bit concerning.
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  Speaker 5: Zach Hickerson said that he banged on the door at
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  Speaker 5: the apartment, their Airbnb, and woke Brian up.
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  Speaker 6: And that they then found Hayden, and while Zach.
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  Speaker 5: Went to call 911, Brian.
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  Speaker 6: Gave her two shots of Narcan. That's what we've been told.
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  Speaker 5: But listening to the 911 call, Nancy, at the very beginning,
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  Speaker 5: Zach initially turns to Brian to ask for help.
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  Speaker 6: In the recording, Zach can be heard saying, Oh, God. Oh,
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  Speaker 6: my God, Brian.
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  Speaker 5: He then asks whether they should perform CPR. The moment
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  Speaker 5: captures the immediate confusion and chaos when they discover Hayden unresponsive. Well,
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  Speaker 5: didn't they already discover Hayden unresponsive before they called 911?
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  Speaker 6: Listen for yourself.
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  Speaker 7: Oh, God.
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  Speaker 8: Oh, my God. Do you like CPR? CMS Fire, what's
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  Speaker 8: the address of your emergency? I walked in after church
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  Speaker 8: to my brother and his girlfriend's apartment, and he woke
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  Speaker 8: up and his girlfriend... And she's unconscious. Okay, is she breathing? No,
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  Speaker 8: I don't think so. If there's a defibrillator available, send
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  Speaker 8: someone to get it now and tell me when you
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  Speaker 8: have it. I don't know. Would an apartment complex have that? Okay,
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  Speaker 8: it's okay. How old is she? Are you right by
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  Speaker 8: them now? I'm right near them now. Yeah, what should
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  Speaker 8: we do?
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  Speaker 9: She.
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  Speaker 8: Please put your phone on speaker so you're... Is she breathing?
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  Speaker 8: Is she breathing?
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  Speaker 10: Hold on.
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  Speaker 11: No.
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  Speaker 8: Okay, we need to start CPR with.
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  Speaker 8: I'm going to tell you how to do CPR, okay?
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  Speaker 8: We're going to start with ventilations first.
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  Speaker 2: Okay.
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  Speaker 8: I need you to lay her flat on her back
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  Speaker 8: and remove anything from under her head.
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  Speaker 9: Okay.
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  Speaker 8: Have you done that already? Yes. What do we do? Okay,
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  Speaker 8: I need you to.
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  Speaker 9: Where.
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  Speaker 8: What do we do? I need you to pinch her
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  Speaker 8: nose tightly, and you're going to cover your mouth with
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  Speaker 8: her mouth, and then you're going to apply two cold
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  Speaker 8: breaths into her. You're going to feel the air come
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  Speaker 8: in and out of her breath, and watch her chest
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  Speaker 8: rise as you're doing that, okay? Tell me when you've
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  Speaker 8: done that.
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  Speaker 1: Yep, all right, we've done that.
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  Speaker 8: Okay, then you're going to... Applied chest compressions. You're going
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  Speaker 8: to place the heel of your hand on the breastbone
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  Speaker 8: right between the nipples. Yep. With one hand, and you're
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  Speaker 8: going to push your other hand on top of that hand.
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  Speaker 8: How many times? I know how to do this. How
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  Speaker 8: many times? Okay, we're going to do this 500 times
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  Speaker 8: or until hope can arrive, okay? Start counting now. One, two, three, four. One, two, three, four. One, two, three, four. One, two, three, four. Okay,
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  Speaker 8: I'm going to tell you how to get mouth to mouth.
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  Speaker 8: Place your hand on her forehead, your other hand under
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  Speaker 8: her neck, then tilt the head back. You're going to
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  Speaker 8: pinch her nose, close her mouth completely with your mouth. Okay,
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  Speaker 8: then blow two regular breaths into her lungs, about one
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  Speaker 8: second each. The chest should rise with each breath. Tell
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  Speaker 8: me when you've done that. Yep, one. Now start compressions again. One, two, three, four.
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  Speaker 8: I've got everybody coming as quickly as they can, okay?
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  Speaker 12: Breathe in.
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  Speaker 8: Can you still hear me?
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  Speaker 13: Yeah.
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  Speaker 8: Okay. Have you done the two mouth-to-mouth press?
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  Speaker 12: No.
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  Speaker 3: He's got a way to breathe it.
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  Speaker 14: All right, now let it go out.
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  Speaker 8: I have them in the area. They should be approaching shortly.
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  Speaker 8: Continue going with that cycle until they take over, okay?
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  Speaker 8: Is the door unlocked? One, two, three, four. One, two, three, four. One, two, three.
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  Speaker 8: Are they with her now?
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, they're here.
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  Speaker 8: Okay, they're going to take over then.
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  Speaker 7: By the time I was five, I was in a
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  Speaker 7: soap opera by four years old. Um, and it said
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  Speaker 7: just never, it never stopped. And it was, it was
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  Speaker 7: every moment on set. I didn't care about anybody else's opinion,
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  Speaker 7: but my mom's because I knew that if she was
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  Speaker 7: unhappy with my performance in any way that the rest
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  Speaker 7: of the day was going to be ruined. It was
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  Speaker 7: going to be a very bad, bad day.
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  Speaker 1: From our friends at CBS, damning text revealed. Are the
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  Speaker 1: dope dealers and the recipients that stupid that they think
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  Speaker 1: we're not going to look at texts in black and white?
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  Speaker 1: Has nobody ever heard? If you don't want it on
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  Speaker 1: page six of the New York Post, don't put it
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  Speaker 1: in writing. Are they really that dumb? Apparently they are.
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  Speaker 1: This as we are learning tonight that drugs were delivered.
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  Speaker 1: Possibly the poisonous drug delivered to Hayden Panettiere like pizza
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  Speaker 1: and Chinese food in bags labeled Brian. Joining me, an
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  Speaker 1: all-star panel to make sense of what we are learning tonight.
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  Speaker 1: We are also learning that this investigation has developed into
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  Speaker 1: a cross-country investigation involving the feds, particularly the DEA, the
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  Speaker 1: Drug Enforcement Agency. Straight out to Dave Mack, Crime Stories
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  Speaker 1: investigative reporter, What can you tell me about bags of
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  Speaker 1: drugs being delivered to Hayden Panettiere's Hollywood Hills home? Were
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  Speaker 1: they paper bags or were they so bold as to
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  Speaker 1: hold up plastic bags where you could see the drugs?
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  Speaker 6: I mean, let's go.
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  Speaker 1: But we do know that eyewitnesses state they were labeled
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  Speaker 1: Brian and the boyfriend, Brian Hickerson, grilled by the DEA.
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  Speaker 6: What do you know? All right, Nancy, everything you just
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  Speaker 6: said is accurate.
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  Speaker 5: Between 2021 and 2026, August, the neighbors of Hayden Panettiere
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  Speaker 5: in her West Hollywood condo noticed two women in their
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  Speaker 5: early 20s and one man in his mid-30s showing up
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  Speaker 5: regularly with bags. They would stop and deliver, not together,
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  Speaker 5: by the way, all separate, but the same three people.
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  Speaker 5: And they would deliver bags to Hayden. They'd knock on
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  Speaker 5: the door, she'd grab the bag, go back in. In
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  Speaker 5: the last week, we're talking the days before Hayden died,
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  Speaker 5: the drug dealer or the guy that they recognized as
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  Speaker 5: the person who was regularly there bringing bags, showed up
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  Speaker 5: with a bag. This one had Brian written on the
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  Speaker 5: bag and delivered that to Hayden's door. That was in
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  Speaker 5: the days before the cross-country flight.
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  Speaker 1: Look at that, Dave. Hold on. Hold on. I just
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  Speaker 1: want you to look at that. That's what we're talking about.
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  Speaker 1: The deliveries... to Hayden Panettiere's West Hollywood home. It's beautiful, right?
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  Speaker 1: This is from our friend Harvey Levin at TMZ. He
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  Speaker 1: went by and got this snap. Look at it. It's beautiful,
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  Speaker 1: a contempo, surrounded by these beautiful, apparently Japanese magnolias.
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  Speaker 6: Gorgeous, right? You know what, Dr.
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  Speaker 1: Bethany, I'll come right back to you, Dave Mack. It's
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  Speaker 1: so misleading. This is your neck of the woods, Dr.
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  Speaker 1: Bethany Marshall joining us there in L.A., Beautiful on the outside,
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  Speaker 1: a hellhole on the inside. And I don't mean the
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  Speaker 1: beautiful furnishings or the thick carpets or the Persian rugs.
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  Speaker 1: I'm talking about what's going on. The drugs delivered like
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  Speaker 1: an effing pizza. Illegal drugs. And now she's dead. Everyone
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  Speaker 1: enabling her.
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  Speaker 15: Everybody enabling her.
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  Speaker 10: And you know why?
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  Speaker 15: Money and power and greed. When there's a celebrity, everybody
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  Speaker 15: gathers around and gives them whatever they want or they
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  Speaker 15: push what they don't want. Nancy, I've driven by that
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  Speaker 15: building so many times. It is gorgeous. It's near the
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  Speaker 15: Beverly Center. It's near a design center. It's near all
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  Speaker 15: these Michelin rated restaurants. It is a gorgeous, gorgeous community.
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  Speaker 15: It's near Melrose with all these beautiful shops. But you
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  Speaker 15: would never know driving by that you have a child
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  Speaker 15: star who's learned that her self-esteem rises and falls on
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  Speaker 15: the smiles and frowns of others because that's how she
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  Speaker 15: was made.
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  Speaker 10: To feel growing up.
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  Speaker 15: Who now has all these hangers on, who not only
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  Speaker 15: get her out to do things she doesn't want to do,
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  Speaker 15: and you know what's underneath it? Again, Nancy, as I
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  Speaker 15: said earlier, power, money.
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  Speaker 1: And control.
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  Speaker 15: If they render her helpless and addicted, they can get
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  Speaker 15: whatever they want from her.
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  Speaker 1: Straight out to renowned toxicologist, medical examiner, Dr. William Maroney.
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  Speaker 1: He is the author of American Narcan. This is his specialty.
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  Speaker 1: What exactly does that mean? Oxycodone laced with fentanyl?
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  Speaker 16: She has an opinion that she took a pill. It
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  Speaker 16: was a fake pill. And that in that fake pill
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  Speaker 16: was a certain percentage of a powder that's fentanyl.
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  Speaker 17: But it's still illegal. It's still a fake pill. And
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  Speaker 17: what if it was pressed to look like an oxycodone,
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  Speaker 17: but it was 100% fentanyl? So they will say cause
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  Speaker 17: of death, toxic fentanyl overdose, because that's what killed her.
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  Speaker 17: It was delivered in something that probably looked like a pill,
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  Speaker 17: but you can still... Snort pills, you can still inject pills,
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  Speaker 17: you can swallow pills. How did it get in there?
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  Speaker 17: And how much is really oxycodone? When we have a
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  Speaker 17: toxicology report that says oxycodone and fentanyl, then you know
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  Speaker 17: they were both there. But until that, America is being ravaged.
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  Speaker 17: There's carnage everywhere with fake medicine.
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  Speaker 1: Okay, this is what I don't understand what you're saying, Dr.
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  Speaker 11: Maroney.
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  Speaker 1: Somebody gives me a pill and says it's Oxy, number one.
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  Speaker 1: I know not to take it. But I don't understand
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  Speaker 1: how Oxy is getting laced with fentanyl, how one pill
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  Speaker 1: can kill you. I want to know, are you saying
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  Speaker 1: that she ate a pill? Are you convinced of that?
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  Speaker 1: Was she shot up? Are there only two ways to
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  Speaker 1: get this kind of an O.D.
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  Speaker 17: Oxycodone pills laced with fentanyl are made in somebody's garage.
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  Speaker 17: They are not made by a pharmaceutical company. So a
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  Speaker 17: drug dealer is getting pills that are made in a
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  Speaker 17: garage and they look like oxycodone. So people aren't afraid
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  Speaker 17: to take them because when you just take a white
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  Speaker 17: powder and eat it or snort it or inject it,
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  Speaker 17: you don't know what you're getting. So now they've made
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  Speaker 17: them look like pills. But it doesn't matter. Medicine, real
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  Speaker 17: medicine doesn't look like this. Real medicine looks like this.
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  Speaker 17: It's in a bottle and it has a label.
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  Speaker 1: Okay, wait a minute. See, what you're telling me, all
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  Speaker 1: the pills in the bag look just like the pills
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  Speaker 1: in that bottle. So I don't even know what you're saying.
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  Speaker 1: They look the same.
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  Speaker 17: She carried around a bag full of pills and she
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  Speaker 17: didn't know what they were. These come from a drug dealer.
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  Speaker 17: This comes from a pharmacy and it has a label
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  Speaker 17: and it tells you what to do. This drug dealer,
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  Speaker 17: this pharmacy, that's the whole, they need to trace where
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  Speaker 17: this stuff came from And all across America, the whole
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  Speaker 17: reason why the DEA is here is they have two missions.
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  Speaker 17: One is to enforce and control legal substances. And two
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  Speaker 17: is to reduce the activity of illicit substances.
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  Speaker 2: This is illicit.
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  Speaker 17: This is legal.
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  Speaker 18: We also already knew that the DEA had joined the investigation,
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  Speaker 18: but now a source close to that investigation has confirmed
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  Speaker 18: that Hayden's on-again, off-again boyfriend, Brian Hickerson, has actually met
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  Speaker 18: with DEA investigators and authorities have interviewed some other people
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  Speaker 18: as well. It's also being reported that local and federal
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  Speaker 18: investigators are now focusing on whether someone sold Hayden substances
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  Speaker 18: that may have contributed to her death. with one source
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  Speaker 18: saying that they're actually zeroing in on a potential dealer. Now,
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  Speaker 18: no one has been arrested, and again, toxicology hasn't confirmed
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  Speaker 18: what actually killed Hayden.
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  Speaker 1: That's from just in the nick of time. Crime Stories
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  Speaker 1: with Nancy Grace. To Robert Crispin joining us. Crispin, former DEA,
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  Speaker 1: he knows why the DEA is in on this. He
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  Speaker 1: is now the founder of Crispin Special Investigations, former Federal
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  Speaker 1: Task Force Officer, USDOJ. DEA, former homicide, it goes on
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  Speaker 1: and on. Robert Crispin, the DEA is about three inches
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  Speaker 1: up this case's tailpipe.
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  Speaker 17: Why?
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  Speaker 1: What are they doing? Tonight, the COD, cause of death,
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  Speaker 1: has been announced. She was poisoned. Hayden Panettiere, that beautiful,
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  Speaker 1: tiny lady, a mother, was poisoned with, quote, a fake
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  Speaker 1: pill that looks like a pill you get at the
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  Speaker 1: CVS or the Walgreens. She was poisoned, Crispin. You know
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  Speaker 1: what a pill presser is, right? And Maroney's correct. And
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  Speaker 1: everybody's basement, not everybody, basements, garages, people are using pill
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  Speaker 1: pressers to make poisonous pills. They pass off as oxy,
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  Speaker 1: but it's laced with all kind of stuff. Why is
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  Speaker 1: the DEA in on this?
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  Speaker 9: Nancy, the reason DEA is involved in this is because
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  Speaker 9: this is going national and then international because these pills
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  Speaker 9: that Hayden got laced with fentanyl came from, as we said,
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  Speaker 9: a lab, probably in Mexico, probably an underground lab.
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  Speaker 10: But where did the fentanyl come from? It came from China.
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  Speaker 1: Crispin, isn't one of the first things you do is
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  Speaker 1: to try to grab the defendant or the deceased's cell
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  Speaker 1: phone and try to look at it?
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  Speaker 3: 100%.
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  Speaker 2: Absolutely.
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  Speaker 9: The ticket to the entire case is an electronic device,
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  Speaker 9: especially of this magnitude, Nancy.
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  Speaker 1: I just hope that the law enforcement... And I'm not
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  Speaker 1: shading them. I hope they were veterans that went to
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  Speaker 1: that scene and knew to grab all the devices. And
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  Speaker 1: under the law, when a crime has occurred or you
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  Speaker 1: think a crime may have occurred, you've got a dead body.
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  Speaker 1: You've got two conflicting reports about how the body was found.
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  Speaker 1: I would grab every device, cell phones, laptops, iPads, PlayStations,
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  Speaker 1: everything that was in that Lux Airbnb. Maybe you don't
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  Speaker 1: need his evidence, but maybe you do.
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  Speaker 12: What?
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  Speaker 10: Listen, they have all those devices. Clearly, they have the devices.
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  Speaker 9: And for all these text messages to already come out
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  Speaker 9: in such a short amount of time, I'm going to.
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  Speaker 10: Probably believe that.
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  Speaker 9: Brian gave the police department her code.
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  Speaker 10: He probably knew her cell phone code. So once they
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  Speaker 10: have the code, and there's.
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  Speaker 9: A couple of different programs out there, Nancy, that could
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  Speaker 9: have broke that phone, Graykey being one of them. But
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  Speaker 9: once they get the code to that phone, then you
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  Speaker 9: apply for a search warrant. Once that search warrant is signed,
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  Speaker 9: then you're going to put that phone into a second
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  Speaker 9: system called Cellbrite. Cellbrite is going to download all the
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  Speaker 9: text messages, all the documents, all the photos. And the
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  Speaker 9: most important thing, if you remember, they'll get all the
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  Speaker 9: deleted text messages. Anything that's deleted on that phone, they're
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  Speaker 9: going to get deleted. GreatKey is a phenomenal program and
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  Speaker 9: application that allows law enforcement to plug the phone in
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  Speaker 9: and let it run, and it's going to hammer at
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  Speaker 9: the phone.
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  Speaker 10: A series of different passwords.
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  Speaker 9: Thousands, millions of passwords are going to go through that
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  Speaker 9: phone until they break it. The problem with GreatKey is,
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  Speaker 9: and they usually ask the family, you know, What's her
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  Speaker 9: favorite color? What's her favorite dog? What's her favorite restaurant,
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  Speaker 9: her food? A lot of these things will already get
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  Speaker 9: inputted to see if any of those keywords are part
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  Speaker 9: of her password. If they don't have it, GrayKey will
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  Speaker 9: get it. But the only problem with GrayKey is the
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  Speaker 9: fastest I think anyone's ever gotten locked into a phone,
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  Speaker 9: into a locked phone, was about 30 minutes.
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  Speaker 10: The longest was six months that I know of.
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  Speaker 1: Ooh, okay, that hurts.
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  Speaker 6: You know what?
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  Speaker 1: I want to explain it in depth. You hear Crispin,
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  Speaker 1: who has all the street knowledge in the world about
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  Speaker 1: grabbing the devices, what you can use to crack the devices,
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  Speaker 1: now joining us in addition to Crispin. I'll circle back
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  Speaker 1: with you, Dave Mack, about the significance of the texts
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  Speaker 1: that have now been revealed because we're going to find
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  Speaker 1: out who the drug dealers were delivering the poisonous drugs to,
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  Speaker 1: who was texting them. Was it Hayden Panettiere or was
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  Speaker 1: it one of her enablers? With us, Dr. Jim Jones
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  Speaker 1: out of Herndon, Virginia, cybersecurity digital forensics expert, digital forensics
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  Speaker 1: program director, professor, George Mason University. Dr. Jones, thank you
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  Speaker 1: for being with us. You know, when Crispin rattles it
• 19:26
  Speaker 1: off like that, it sounds so easy. You just put
• 19:29
  Speaker 1: it through GrayKey or Celebrite.
• 19:30
  Speaker 6: Well, you know what?
• 19:32
  Speaker 1: It's not always that easy. Remember the Alex Murdoch case?
• 19:35
  Speaker 1: We had to bring in the Secret Service to crack
• 19:37
  Speaker 1: that phone. And if anyone used encryption, basically, technical legal term,
• 19:44
  Speaker 1: we're screwed. Okay? So, Dr. Jones, try... to talk and
• 19:52
  Speaker 1: regular people talk so even I can understand it okay
• 19:58
  Speaker 1: no complicated jargon and we just showed you a picture
• 20:03
  Speaker 1: of a you fed which is a universal forensic extraction
• 20:06
  Speaker 1: device and But you don't just hook the phone into it.
• 20:10
  Speaker 1: It's not that easy. Hit it, Dr.
• 20:13
  Speaker 17: Jones.
• 20:14
  Speaker 2: It can be that easy.
• 20:16
  Speaker 19: So if it's a short pin, like a four digit pin,
• 20:20
  Speaker 19: and if the phone is not set to start to
• 20:23
  Speaker 19: slow down the guesses.
• 20:24
  Speaker 2: Or eventually erase itself, which is an.
• 20:27
  Speaker 10: Optional setting in the phone, then it can be that easy.
• 20:30
  Speaker 2: Often it's not.
• 20:32
  Speaker 10: So the first step would be figure out if the phone.
• 20:35
  Speaker 19: Is going to erase itself if I put 10 bad
• 20:38
  Speaker 19: guesses in. They won't just go and plug it in
• 20:41
  Speaker 19: without checking that.
• 20:43
  Speaker 2: If it is set that way, they need the pin
• 20:45
  Speaker 2: to get to it.
• 20:47
  Speaker 19: Physical access with a modern smartphone is not enough. to
• 20:52
  Speaker 19: get the data if it's locked when law enforcement sees it.
• 20:57
  Speaker 19: There's a little bit of stuff that remains available for
• 20:59
  Speaker 19: the locked phone.
• 21:00
  Speaker 20: But all the stuff that we want, the deleted text messages,
• 21:03
  Speaker 20: the intact text messages, pictures, deleted and active, all that
• 21:08
  Speaker 20: kind of stuff is going to be, by default, encrypted
• 21:11
  Speaker 20: on a chip that's stored in the device.
• 21:17
  Speaker 1: Where is the investigation into Hayden Panettiere's death leading us?
• 21:22
  Speaker 1: Nowhere good. We are learning that investigation is following the
• 21:29
  Speaker 1: avenue that Hayden Panettiere's death was not an accident. All
• 21:35
  Speaker 1: the talk of an accidental overdose. Who supplied the drugs?
• 21:40
  Speaker 1: Was it a certain drug dealer? Was it someone within
• 21:43
  Speaker 1: that luxury Airbnb? Now, not an accident. What exactly does
• 21:50
  Speaker 1: that mean? Joining us, an all-star panel to make sense
• 21:53
  Speaker 1: of what we're learning right now, to Eileen Reslin joining us,
• 21:58
  Speaker 1: senior showbiz exclusive reporter for Daily Mail. Eileen, not an accident.
• 22:05
  Speaker 1: What does this mean?
• 22:06
  Speaker 4: Thank you, Nancy, for having me. So investigators strongly believe
• 22:12
  Speaker 4: that Hayden Panettiere drugs that she took and led to
• 22:15
  Speaker 4: her death ultimately were laced with something. So that is
• 22:18
  Speaker 4: something that investigators are looking at. Was it a dealer
• 22:20
  Speaker 4: in South Carolina where she passed away? Were they from
• 22:23
  Speaker 4: Southern California where she resided? We still don't know.
• 22:26
  Speaker 1: To Dr. William Maroney joining us, renowned medical examiner, toxicologist.
• 22:32
  Speaker 1: He is the author of American Narcan and is a
• 22:36
  Speaker 1: preeminent expert when it comes to opioid use. I understand
• 22:42
  Speaker 1: that that the investigation encompasses the use of a new
• 22:46
  Speaker 1: drug 10 times stronger than fentanyl.
• 22:51
  Speaker 6: What is it?
• 22:53
  Speaker 17: Cyclorphine is a designer novel synthetic opioid. And the research
• 23:00
  Speaker 17: is it came out of like the 70s and the 80s,
• 23:03
  Speaker 17: and then it was shelved. Drug dealers find things like
• 23:07
  Speaker 17: this because they, The people making the drugs in Mexican
• 23:12
  Speaker 17: labs and in Chinese labs are always looking for something
• 23:16
  Speaker 17: that nobody can find. Cyclorphine has no testing. There is
• 23:21
  Speaker 17: no urine drug test you can do. And this is
• 23:25
  Speaker 17: the reason why the DEA is in on this. Cyclorphine
• 23:29
  Speaker 17: is in many different urban communities being laced into drugs
• 23:35
  Speaker 17: and One of those, the mecca of some drug research
• 23:39
  Speaker 17: is basically San Francisco for novel opioids. And the DEA
• 23:45
  Speaker 17: follows things like this because it's illicit. That's half of
• 23:49
  Speaker 17: their mission. Their mission is to have guidelines for legal
• 23:53
  Speaker 17: drugs and to reduce illicit drugs. With all respect to
• 23:58
  Speaker 17: South Carolina, cyclorphine is way over them. They needed federal help.
• 24:03
  Speaker 17: And it's like an opioid. It's like fentanyl. Or it's
• 24:08
  Speaker 17: like morphine. But it's, you know, 50 to 100 times
• 24:13
  Speaker 17: stronger because it binds.
• 24:19
  Speaker 2: To the brain. And what you see is.
• 24:23
  Speaker 17: We don't have any human research on it. Anything you have,
• 24:27
  Speaker 17: you can't find it. So as soon as you do
• 24:30
  Speaker 17: the drug testing, the drug testing's done. They're not going
• 24:32
  Speaker 17: to tell us what it is. That's how they work.
• 24:35
  Speaker 9: Dr.
• 24:35
  Speaker 1: Maroney, I don't understand what you're saying, that for chlorophyll,
• 24:40
  Speaker 1: there is no tox test. In other words, Hayden Panettiere
• 24:46
  Speaker 1: could have been fed this incredibly powerful drug laced into
• 24:53
  Speaker 1: what she had taken and there's no way to determine that.
• 24:57
  Speaker 1: I find that scientifically impossible. If we know about the drug,
• 25:00
  Speaker 1: why can't we find it in her system if it exists?
• 25:04
  Speaker 17: It's because the research to find it really is at
• 25:09
  Speaker 17: a federal law enforcement level, not as a medical examiner level. Now,
• 25:15
  Speaker 17: We have a test called mass spectroscopy that looks for
• 25:19
  Speaker 17: the novel compound and tells you how big it is.
• 25:23
  Speaker 17: How big is that molecule? And then it'll be identified.
• 25:27
  Speaker 17: But there's no published research in humans. What's the half-life?
• 25:31
  Speaker 17: What's the potency?
• 25:33
  Speaker 2: Okay.
• 25:34
  Speaker 8: Dr.
• 25:35
  Speaker 1: Maroney, you're going DEFCON 4 on me. I'm just a
• 25:38
  Speaker 1: trial lawyer. What I'm asking, I think, is very simple.
• 25:43
  Speaker 1: So you're telling me there is no toxicology test to
• 25:47
  Speaker 1: run on her body that will tell me if this
• 25:50
  Speaker 1: new and deadly drug was fed to her?
• 25:55
  Speaker 2: Only if you send it to the DA.
• 25:58
  Speaker 6: Well, then that's a.
• 25:58
  Speaker 1: Yes for Pete's sake. You just led me down the
• 26:01
  Speaker 1: garden path.
• 26:03
  Speaker 2: Well, I needed to get some face time.
• 26:05
  Speaker 6: I'm hogged.
• 26:08
  Speaker 1: I want to understand what is psychorafine? What is it exactly?
• 26:14
  Speaker 1: And how does it elude the normal tox panels.
• 26:17
  Speaker 6: That are run?
• 26:19
  Speaker 1: We now know that the Hayden Panettiere investigation is encompassing
• 26:23
  Speaker 1: the avenue that it was not accidental. So this new drug,
• 26:31
  Speaker 1: many people have never even heard of it, could have
• 26:34
  Speaker 1: been laced into what she was already taking?
• 26:38
  Speaker 17: There is no urine drug test available clinically that will
• 26:43
  Speaker 17: show you what this is. There is no blood test
• 26:47
  Speaker 17: that's clinically through addiction clinics or hospitals.
• 26:50
  Speaker 2: But you just told me if you send it to.
• 26:52
  Speaker 1: The feds, the DEA, that they can run a panel
• 26:56
  Speaker 1: on her tissue samples.
• 26:57
  Speaker 12: Yes.
• 26:57
  Speaker 1: In other words, a piece of her skin, her blood,
• 26:59
  Speaker 1: a part of an organ. That's why they needed to
• 27:02
  Speaker 1: bring the DEA in. The feds can test for psychorphine.
• 27:05
  Speaker 17: That's why they needed to bring the DA in the
• 27:08
  Speaker 17: beginning because they were.
• 27:09
  Speaker 2: Having trouble here. And the DA is the.
• 27:12
  Speaker 17: Expert on all this stuff for all the little panels
• 27:17
  Speaker 17: of things.
• 27:17
  Speaker 2: It's a small molecule and it's simple.
• 27:21
  Speaker 17: It may look chemically a little bit like fentanyl, but
• 27:27
  Speaker 17: it's a hundred times stronger and it will not turn
• 27:30
  Speaker 17: a fentanyl test positive because You need to specifically.
• 27:33
  Speaker 1: How much would it take to kill you, Moroni, of sycoraphine?
• 27:38
  Speaker 1: How much would it take? With fentanyl, you can breathe
• 27:40
  Speaker 1: it in, breathe particles in and die. What about sycoraphine?
• 27:45
  Speaker 2: The head of a pin. The sharp head of a pin.
• 27:48
  Speaker 14: So when it comes to fentanyl... They're not fake pills.
• 27:51
  Speaker 14: They're death pills, right? So they're pills that kill people.
• 27:54
  Speaker 14: And there's a federal statute that allows us to go after,
• 27:57
  Speaker 14: assuming we can prove who the dealer is, to go
• 28:01
  Speaker 14: after them and put them in prison for murder. When
• 28:04
  Speaker 14: we can prove, and sometimes if somebody is an addict,
• 28:07
  Speaker 14: it's difficult to prove who they actually got the pill from.
• 28:10
  Speaker 14: But in the cases where we know who the dealer
• 28:12
  Speaker 14: was and we can prove beyond a reasonable doubt, that
• 28:15
  Speaker 14: the person sold the death pill to the victim who
• 28:20
  Speaker 14: then dies, that's a federal crime and that's something that
• 28:23
  Speaker 14: we will readily prosecute as often as we can.
• 28:26
  Speaker 12: The male individual I saw one week prior to her,
• 28:31
  Speaker 12: I believe, no, it was a few days actually before
• 28:35
  Speaker 12: she left for her trip where she passed. He couldn't
• 28:38
  Speaker 12: get into the building. He had buzzed their apartment quite
• 28:42
  Speaker 12: a few times and I was coming back from a
• 28:45
  Speaker 12: walk and I led him into the building, went up
• 28:48
  Speaker 12: into the elevator with him.
• 28:50
  Speaker 10: And he did.
• 28:51
  Speaker 12: Yeah, he had a small bag on him. And interestingly enough, though,
• 28:57
  Speaker 12: it had Brian written on it.
• 29:00
  Speaker 1: That from the White House, that was Attorney General Todd
• 29:04
  Speaker 1: Blanche and from our friends over at TMZ. It's all
• 29:09
  Speaker 1: fitting together. Is this the avenue the feds, the DEA,
• 29:14
  Speaker 1: is pursuing? Crime Stories with Nancy Grace. How to Rob
• 29:28
  Speaker 1: Shooter joining us. You know him well. He is the
• 29:31
  Speaker 1: star of robshooter.substack.com and the author of a new bestseller,
• 29:36
  Speaker 1: His Third. Queen Elizabeth III, the new American House of Windsor.
• 29:43
  Speaker 1: Spent many, many hours with Hayden Panettiere. Rob, who are
• 29:51
  Speaker 1: these parasites hanging on to Hayden Panettiere, sucking her blood?
• 29:59
  Speaker 3: Who are these people? I wish I could tell you
• 30:02
  Speaker 3: it's just one person. This is an industry problem. So
• 30:05
  Speaker 3: we know her boyfriend, Brian, is a very, very shady
• 30:08
  Speaker 3: character and has been in and out of her life
• 30:10
  Speaker 3: for many, many years. We also know, too, that her
• 30:13
  Speaker 3: mother started out as her manager at a very early
• 30:16
  Speaker 3: age and was financially involved in her daughter's life for
• 30:19
  Speaker 3: a very long time. But that, Nancy, is just the
• 30:22
  Speaker 3: tip of the iceberg. Often around celebrities, particularly troubled celebrities,
• 30:27
  Speaker 3: You see these hanger-ons, these people that want to be
• 30:30
  Speaker 3: part of the spotlight. They want to be part of
• 30:32
  Speaker 3: the fame. They want to be part of the glamour.
• 30:35
  Speaker 3: And so it was very, very easy for her to
• 30:37
  Speaker 3: attract really bad people. This is true of every celebrity. However,
• 30:41
  Speaker 3: most of them decide to stay away. Hayden had her
• 30:45
  Speaker 3: demons and she let these people in.
• 30:49
  Speaker 1: Why do you say especially troubled stars?
• 30:53
  Speaker 3: Yeah, I think troubled stars, troubled people are always looking
• 30:57
  Speaker 3: for happiness outside of themselves. And I think the more
• 31:00
  Speaker 3: troubled you are, the more trouble finds you. So often,
• 31:04
  Speaker 3: if you're in a good state of mind, if you're
• 31:06
  Speaker 3: surrounded by good people, if you believe in yourself, then
• 31:09
  Speaker 3: you don't allow these people into your life. I've seen
• 31:12
  Speaker 3: this happen with so many different celebrities, not just people
• 31:16
  Speaker 3: who are parasites, managers, agents, publicists, all these people are
• 31:21
  Speaker 3: on the payroll. You've got to be really careful. to
• 31:23
  Speaker 3: surround yourself with people who have your best interest at
• 31:27
  Speaker 3: heart and people who don't always say yes. There was
• 31:30
  Speaker 3: a lot of yes people around Hayden.
• 31:33
  Speaker 1: You mean someone that would say, Hayden, stop taking the pills.
• 31:38
  Speaker 1: I'm flushing them down the commode. As opposed to, here, sure. Rob,
• 31:44
  Speaker 1: tell me your experiences with Hayden. Who was she as
• 31:49
  Speaker 1: a person? Because you saw her behind the camera.
• 31:53
  Speaker 6: I did, Nancy.
• 31:54
  Speaker 3: She was smart.
• 31:55
  Speaker 10: She was bright.
• 31:56
  Speaker 3: She was somebody that looked as if she was very
• 31:58
  Speaker 3: well put together. Somebody who looked as if she really
• 32:02
  Speaker 3: had succeeded. She always wanted to be an actress. There
• 32:05
  Speaker 3: was parts of her career that disappointed her. But the
• 32:08
  Speaker 3: book was something she was really, really passionate about. She
• 32:11
  Speaker 3: was also passionate around lots of causes, particularly animals. And
• 32:16
  Speaker 3: she was doing this at a time when it wasn't
• 32:18
  Speaker 3: quite as trendy for celebrities to use their fame to
• 32:22
  Speaker 3: promote social causes. So she was somebody with a really,
• 32:25
  Speaker 3: really big heart, but let's be honest too, Nancy, she
• 32:28
  Speaker 3: also too had a lot of demons. It was impossible
• 32:31
  Speaker 3: to be around her and not see the sadness. There
• 32:34
  Speaker 3: was a real tragedy that she carried around her life,
• 32:37
  Speaker 3: and now we are finding out. I think we knew
• 32:39
  Speaker 3: it before too, and she had spoken about this in
• 32:42
  Speaker 3: her book. She self-medicated trying to find happiness, and we
• 32:45
  Speaker 3: know that never ever comes.
• 32:48
  Speaker 2: I think it speaks for itself.
• 32:50
  Speaker 13: I mean, I, you know, I got arrested for, you know,
• 32:55
  Speaker 13: abusing her and I wouldn't blame her friends for being
• 32:59
  Speaker 13: pissed off at me. I had a lot to drink
• 33:03
  Speaker 13: and I got physical with her.
• 33:07
  Speaker 11: And I got arrested, spent the.
• 33:09
  Speaker 13: Night in jail and, you know, That's just what happens
• 33:15
  Speaker 13: when you lay hands on women.
• 33:17
  Speaker 11: There's a story where.
• 33:24
  Speaker 13: I was drunk, right?
• 33:28
  Speaker 11: Hayden was standing across the room and I had a
• 33:34
  Speaker 11: phone in my hand and I said, Hayden, I said,
• 33:37
  Speaker 11: I'll give you 10 seconds. to run as fast as
• 33:41
  Speaker 11: you can before i throw it at you i just
• 33:44
  Speaker 11: want people to know i mean like.
• 33:48
  Speaker 21: People do this all the time you know it's like
• 33:54
  Speaker 21: you think i'm the only one that did that no
• 33:57
  Speaker 21: people do that all the time you know i had
• 34:00
  Speaker 21: a couple um opportunities to apologize for it and reflect
• 34:08
  Speaker 21: on it.
• 34:09
  Speaker 11: So, I don't know. You'd have to ask her what
• 34:13
  Speaker 11: she thinks about it. But, you know, you never lay
• 34:18
  Speaker 11: hands on a woman, bottom line.
• 34:21
  Speaker 1: That's from our friend Harvey Levin over at TMZ. So,
• 34:24
  Speaker 1: Rob Sheeter, when we're talking about ticks, you know, the
• 34:28
  Speaker 1: blood-sucking parasite thing, Why would a woman of her caliber
• 34:34
  Speaker 1: be with him?
• 34:35
  Speaker 3: Yeah, it's a real million dollar question here, isn't it?
• 34:41
  Speaker 3: She was with him and she was with him again
• 34:43
  Speaker 3: and again and again. And her friends were really angry
• 34:46
  Speaker 3: about this. She was getting advice from everybody who loved
• 34:49
  Speaker 3: her to stay away. It wasn't like he was a secret.
• 34:53
  Speaker 3: We knew about him. Her inner circle knew about him.
• 34:56
  Speaker 3: They broke up, they got back together. They broke up,
• 34:59
  Speaker 3: they got back together again. Now part of this too,
• 35:02
  Speaker 3: we must blame him for. He did not want to
• 35:05
  Speaker 3: let her go. She was the cash cow. She was
• 35:08
  Speaker 3: the one that was paying for everything. It was her
• 35:12
  Speaker 3: that raised the money for this fabulous lifestyle. We don't
• 35:15
  Speaker 3: really know what his job was. Also too, it wasn't
• 35:19
  Speaker 3: just about money, Nancy. It was about power. It was
• 35:22
  Speaker 3: about access to Hollywood. He wasn't getting invited to the
• 35:24
  Speaker 3: fancy parties.
• 35:26
  Speaker 19: She was.
• 35:27
  Speaker 3: And he was her plus one. She was the one
• 35:29
  Speaker 3: getting invited to the Emmys, the Grammys, all the award shows.
• 35:32
  Speaker 10: And he loved being there.
• 35:34
  Speaker 3: I have two sources who spotted him with her at
• 35:37
  Speaker 3: these shows. And he seemed to be having a better
• 35:40
  Speaker 3: time than her. If he lost her, he lost all
• 35:44
  Speaker 3: of this.
• 35:48
  Speaker 1: Another issue to Ken Seeley, and you can find him
• 35:52
  Speaker 1: at intervention911. com, is these people surrounding the victim. Many of
• 36:01
  Speaker 1: them are high, they're addicts. So can you rely on
• 36:06
  Speaker 1: anything they're saying?
• 36:07
  Speaker 22: Well, that's what you were talking about earlier, Nancy. You
• 36:12
  Speaker 22: see that family, like he said, one was sitting up,
• 36:15
  Speaker 22: one was on the floor, one would, you know, All
• 36:17
  Speaker 22: these different things that they're saying, they're so high, they
• 36:21
  Speaker 22: don't even know what they're seeing. They just show up
• 36:23
  Speaker 22: there and they say what they think they saw. So
• 36:26
  Speaker 22: you can't really rely on any of it when you're
• 36:29
  Speaker 22: when you're dealing with that type of chaos. You know,
• 36:32
  Speaker 22: in this situation, I can't really speak because I wasn't there.
• 36:34
  Speaker 17: I didn't see it.
• 36:35
  Speaker 22: But the point being is I'm familiar with patterns and
• 36:39
  Speaker 22: the patterns of addicts and alcoholics.
• 36:42
  Speaker 9: They are.
• 36:43
  Speaker 17: Always mess up the facts.
• 36:45
  Speaker 22: They do not get things correctly because it's correctly in
• 36:49
  Speaker 22: their mind. That's where it's correctly and the way they
• 36:52
  Speaker 22: remember it, but it's not the facts. So you're absolutely right, Nancy.
• 36:56
  Speaker 22: These are not the facts that we're dealing with.
• 36:58
  Speaker 6: To Dr.
• 36:59
  Speaker 1: Ernest Scioto joining us, he is a renowned toxicologist, physician,
• 37:05
  Speaker 1: biomedical engineer, attorney. I guess you just got out of
• 37:10
  Speaker 1: school for Pete's sake. Multiple degrees from both Oxford and Harvard.
• 37:15
  Speaker 1: Former medical director and manager of medical and public health
• 37:19
  Speaker 1: services for Detroit. Never a lack of business there. He
• 37:23
  Speaker 1: is the author of Toxic Torque, Medical and Legal Elements,
• 37:27
  Speaker 1: that he wrote in all of his spare time. And
• 37:29
  Speaker 1: you can find him at ErnestPSciotto.com. Dr. Sciotto, isn't it
• 37:37
  Speaker 1: true that when medical examiners... determined COD, cause of death,
• 37:42
  Speaker 1: and MOD, manner of death, they look at extrinsic evidence.
• 37:47
  Speaker 1: Extrinsic evidence. For instance, this is a great example. In
• 37:52
  Speaker 1: a murder-arson case I prosecuted, the wife died from smoke inhalation.
• 38:00
  Speaker 1: But the medical examiner found where she also had a
• 38:03
  Speaker 1: blow to the head. And we also discovered that the
• 38:07
  Speaker 1: house had been set on fire by arson. We also
• 38:12
  Speaker 1: discovered that the husband had removed all of his suits,
• 38:17
  Speaker 1: his shoes, all of his own family pictures, his relatives,
• 38:20
  Speaker 1: not hers. And when the fire department arrived, he was
• 38:24
  Speaker 1: lounging across the street, Romanesque, watching the house burn. He
• 38:31
  Speaker 1: was fully clothed at 3, 2 a.m., belt, wallet, keys, shoes.
• 38:39
  Speaker 1: And after they talked to him for about two minutes,
• 38:41
  Speaker 1: he went, oh, yeah, my wife's in there.
• 38:44
  Speaker 8: What?
• 38:44
  Speaker 7: Okay.
• 38:46
  Speaker 1: Those are extrinsic circumstances surrounding the death. Isn't it true
• 38:52
  Speaker 1: medical examiners look at extrinsic circumstances?
• 38:58
  Speaker 2: That's true.
• 38:59
  Speaker 23: And one thing that's very curious about this is that
• 39:03
  Speaker 23: she was found sitting down cross-legged applesauce. I've never heard
• 39:08
  Speaker 23: that term before, but I presume she's sitting down, she's sitting,
• 39:12
  Speaker 23: she was sitting with her legs crossed, and then she
• 39:15
  Speaker 23: was found falling over with her legs still crossed. Well,
• 39:20
  Speaker 23: that indicates, that implies that there was rigor mortis that
• 39:23
  Speaker 23: had set in. But it takes two to six hours
• 39:27
  Speaker 23: for rigor mortis to set in, and the rigor mortis
• 39:30
  Speaker 23: really typically starts with the small muscles of the face
• 39:34
  Speaker 23: and hands. So for the large muscles of the leg
• 39:38
  Speaker 23: for rigor mortis to set in, you know, it usually
• 39:41
  Speaker 23: takes closer to six hours for that to happen. So if,
• 39:45
  Speaker 23: in fact, she was putting on makeup at 1030, And
• 39:50
  Speaker 23: she was found sometime around, say, 1.30. That's only three hours.
• 39:55
  Speaker 23: So that doesn't seem to fit. So that's a little puzzling.
• 40:00
  Speaker 1: Put up Dr. Scioto, please. You're brilliant.
• 40:05
  Speaker 23: Thank you, my sister.
• 40:07
  Speaker 1: That was so insightful.
• 40:10
  Speaker 2: Okay.
• 40:11
  Speaker 1: I need to put that in regular people talk.
• 40:14
  Speaker 23: Rigor mortis means that when you die, over time... your
• 40:19
  Speaker 23: muscles become set in the position in which you were
• 40:24
  Speaker 23: dead so that they become stiff and they're not readily mobile.
• 40:30
  Speaker 23: So what it means is that she was sitting, when
• 40:34
  Speaker 23: she died, cross-legged, sitting on the floor, and I presume
• 40:40
  Speaker 23: on the floor, but sitting cross-legged and then died, probably,
• 40:46
  Speaker 23: almost certainly due to a fentanyl overdose. illicit fentanyl because
• 40:51
  Speaker 23: they found a chemical that goes along with the fentanyl
• 40:54
  Speaker 23: being illicit and she she stopped breathing because of the
• 40:59
  Speaker 23: fentanyl and died and then and then instead of just
• 41:03
  Speaker 23: staying erect cross-legged she fell over well if if she
• 41:09
  Speaker 23: had fallen over like that um uh uh within a
• 41:17
  Speaker 23: relatively short period of time of dying, then her legs
• 41:22
  Speaker 23: would not have been crossed. She would have fallen over
• 41:26
  Speaker 23: because when you first die, your legs are still flexible
• 41:29
  Speaker 23: and mobile. So this means that she was sitting cross-legged
• 41:34
  Speaker 23: for some period of time before she fell over, enough
• 41:40
  Speaker 23: period of time that rigor mortis had set in. So
• 41:43
  Speaker 23: that sounds more like closer to six hours. And not
• 41:46
  Speaker 23: just three hours. The other thing, too, is that she
• 41:50
  Speaker 23: was somehow tipped over. Why did she tip over?
• 41:54
  Speaker 2: I don't know.
• 41:56
  Speaker 23: But for a long period of time, several hours, she
• 42:00
  Speaker 23: was sitting cross-legged, dead, with her legs crossed, sitting.
• 42:06
  Speaker 1: Crime Stories investigative reporter Dave Mack, Hayden Panettiere's ex, Vladimir Kitschko,
• 42:13
  Speaker 1: has filed an urgent and essential... his words, not mine,
• 42:16
  Speaker 1: petition to protect her daughter because he claims that a
• 42:24
  Speaker 1: $ 500, 000 ring, his engagement ring that he gave her, wow,
• 42:31
  Speaker 1: among other things, have been taken from the home and
• 42:36
  Speaker 1: that someone with access to her in the home has
• 42:40
  Speaker 1: deleted her emails. What can you tell me?
• 42:45
  Speaker 6: Nancy, it's actually really shocking.
• 42:47
  Speaker 5: What we have found out is that prior to Hayden's death,
• 42:51
  Speaker 5: that she and her ex actually got into a discussion
• 42:55
  Speaker 5: about somebody in her inner circle without her approval, without permission,
• 43:01
  Speaker 5: has accessed her private emails and has deleted some of
• 43:06
  Speaker 5: this information.
• 43:07
  Speaker 6: Now, think about that for just a minute.
• 43:09
  Speaker 5: You've got somebody in your world that has now accessed
• 43:12
  Speaker 5: your private materials and had found access to her home
• 43:17
  Speaker 5: in Hollywood. On top of that, Nancy, she and Vlad
• 43:21
  Speaker 5: actually determined it was time to get additional security. We're
• 43:25
  Speaker 5: talking security for computers, her electronics, and the home to
• 43:28
  Speaker 5: protect what she has. The half-million-dollar engagement ring? Vlad says, hey, man,
• 43:34
  Speaker 5: while they were investigating her death in South Carolina- This
• 43:37
  Speaker 5: ring has vanished, along with a number.
• 43:40
  Speaker 6: Of other items that are gone as well.
• 43:43
  Speaker 5: Vlad is actually trying to protect the estate of Hayden
• 43:46
  Speaker 5: for their daughter.
• 43:49
  Speaker 6: Kaya, it's all for that purpose.
• 43:51
  Speaker 5: Vlad has been well-known as a great dad, and he
• 43:56
  Speaker 5: is just trying to protect the future of his daughter's
• 44:00
  Speaker 5: financial stability for his daughter and the estate of Hayden Panettiere.
• 44:04
  Speaker 1: We're also learning, Dave Mack, that there is a pawn
• 44:07
  Speaker 1: shop that is not cooperating, refusing to provide information. What
• 44:11
  Speaker 1: do you know about that, a pawn shop?
• 44:14
  Speaker 5: You know, Nancy, all states have different laws regarding pawn shops.
• 44:18
  Speaker 5: And right now, law enforcement is digging into everything. They're
• 44:23
  Speaker 5: trying to find every piece of jewelry. every piece of electronics,
• 44:27
  Speaker 5: anything that has been removed from Hayden Panettiere and has
• 44:33
  Speaker 5: been taken to a pawn shop or listed on any
• 44:35
  Speaker 5: place online, they're looking into it.
• 44:37
  Speaker 6: We have one pawn shop that is doing.
• 44:40
  Speaker 5: Everything within their power to prevent opening their records to
• 44:43
  Speaker 5: law enforcement. Remember, when you pawn something, the pawn shop
• 44:47
  Speaker 5: is responsible for identifying the individual that is pawning it
• 44:52
  Speaker 5: to make sure that this item is not stolen. The
• 44:54
  Speaker 5: pawn shop bears a heavy burden to not take stolen property.
• 44:58
  Speaker 5: So they're trying to protect that part of the job.
• 45:01
  Speaker 5: They're going to lose, but that's what's happening right now.
• 45:05
  Speaker 1: Reports that several of Hayden Panettiere's valuable personal belongings were
• 45:11
  Speaker 1: pawned without her knowledge, including a vintage guitar and more,
• 45:19
  Speaker 1: tonight missing a $ 500, 000 engagement ring, If you know or
• 45:26
  Speaker 1: think you know anything regarding this death, please dial 864-232-7463.
• 45:35
  Speaker 1: We remember an American hero, Sergeant Brian Mull, Connecticut State Police,
• 45:41
  Speaker 1: killed in the line of duty after 27 years on
• 45:45
  Speaker 1: the force. Leaving behind a wife turned widow, Susan, and
• 45:49
  Speaker 1: grieving children, Brian, Peter, and Samantha. American hero. Sergeant Brian Mole.
• 45:58
  Speaker 1: Thank you to our guests, but especially to you for
• 46:00
  Speaker 1: being with us. Nancy Grace signing off for tonight, but
• 46:02
  Speaker 1: I'll see you tomorrow night. And until then, good night, friend.