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Jeffrey Foran of Strangeology & Doom Service on Vermont Talks · Vermont Talks

• 0:24
  Okay, all right. So it is the 77th interview of Vermont Talks, and it is the 17th of October. And I'm here today with Jeffrey Foran, producer and host of Strangeology Podcast or the Strangeology Podcast. One or the other. Either one. Jeff also plays guitar and sings in Doom Service, which is an iconic Burlington punk rock band. Welcome to the show, Jeff.
• 0:51
  Thanks for having me on. This is a really funny episode because we are sitting in my car today. And you know what? Whatever works. Yeah. So Jeff, you have been doing strangeology for a few years, and it's incredibly well done. I not to just toot your horn, but uh the production value is amazing.
• 1:12
  You clearly put a huge amount of work into that show. Yeah, thanks. Thanks.
• 1:15
  Yeah. A lot of it was just kind of DIY learning the ropes of how to do mixing audio and production. I come from a graphic design background, and many years ago when I was in college, I took like video editing courses and stuff like that. So I had like a little bit of knowledge um into it, but you know, I'm like six and a half years in into doing this thing, and uh it's it's been a lot of fun. And uh yeah. Did it start as a podcast originally? It didn't actually start as a podcast. Okay. So back at the beginning of COVID, I lost my job that I was at for like 12, 12 and a half years or so, doing graph design, production work, art directing, all that fun stuff, and uh got the phone call after things I was working remotely from home at the time. Um my previous employer was working on like selling selling her home slash studio. She was moving south, and the plan is for me to like keep working there, but then like all the business just like came to a grinding halt after COVID started, and like about two, three weeks after lockdowns, I got the call, and she's like, I'm sorry, I gotta let you go. And I was like, I saw that coming. And so um to pass the time while I was like looking for new work, um, I started this Instagram page, and I called it Strangeology, and just you know, passing the time, I was bored. I kinda grew up being into uh the strange and unexplained. Um a lot of people call it 14 uh stuff, uh, named after Charles Fort, who is uh a man who lived uh late 1800s, early 1900s, and was kind of considered like the godfather of investigating um anomalous phenomena and like strange creatures that would become uh or mythical creatures that would later become known as cryptids, um paranormal activity, that kind of stuff. And so I grew up in uh the 80s and 90s and uh would watch shows on like Discovery Channel or Sci-Fi Channel, like at sightings or old reruns of In Search of with Letter Nemoy, all these like UFO alien shows, um, you know, growing up and like it's always funny to me, like, and I have I have children now myself, and going to the library uh and seeing I was always drawn to the books about um like Bigfoot and like the Loch Ness Monster and hearing stories about champ, like here in Vermont in Lake Champlain, and uh I was always just like so fascinated by you know what else could be out there in the world, like we s can't know everything that's going on. And I was always like also super interested in aliens, but also simultaneously like terrified of being abducted by an alien, probably because like of all the shows I watched about aliens. Yes, wait the 90s in particular, the late 90s. Oh, we're so obsessed with the aliens and uh yeah, Independence Day.
• 4:31
  Well, I was just thinking about all of those movies and signs and all of these things. There was this. Did you ever um I'm not sure, I'm not sure. Maybe this I mean the 90s. I uh there was uh an old TV station called UPN, which um I think later became uh what's the the the TV channel that had all like the um like the flash and and arrow and uh not supernatural, maybe supernatural. I can't remember now, but anyway, so this this channel had all those like kind of shows on it back then, and they had this this like TV special that was called like the McPherson tapes, and it was this found footage thing. It came out before the Blair Witch product uh project. And you know, I thought it was real at the time. I was like oh I was like 13, it was like 1996 or 97 or something like that. And I'm watching this thing, and it's this this family that lives in like Arkansas or Missouri on like a farm and it's like Thanksgiving and they got the whole family over and they they lose power. And the youngest son has like a camcorder and it's like his thing. He's like wants to film everybody and the power goes out. So him and his like older brothers and like a cousin go out to investigate what's going on. They can see like uh Transformer on a power line like across like the farm field is like exploding and they go look and they see this UFO that has landed in the field, and there's like little gray aliens out there, and they're like laser beaming into like a cow to like take samples, and then they the aliens spot them and they like shine the laser at them, and they're like, oh no. And then so like basically the family starts like, you know, freaking out, and the aliens come into the house and eventually like they abduct everyone. And I was like so scared. I was like, but then it turned out that it was just like it was fake, right? Uh, but they're like, oh, this is uh recreation based on a real tape that was found, and you know Oh yeah, of course. Yeah. So like that always freaked me out. Um but yeah, so like strangeology kind of started um, you know, I was just posting like little pictures, or I would I would research um different cryptids and stuff like Mothman, Flatwoods Monster, Chupacabra, Bigfoot and stuff, and I'd kind of write like a little essay informational piece about them, and I started getting a following, and um like pretty shortly I had like three, four thousand people following my page. And people love weird. Yeah, they really do. Uh there's uh there's a huge there's a huge community of very in enthusiastic and passionate people. And I started meeting people uh who were podcasters. Um guy I became friends with named Jeremiah Byron, um, who is the host of um Bigfoot Society Podcast. He actually is the first person who ever interviewed me, and he was kinda he had tried starting it, I guess, a couple years before, and then kinda let it back burner for a while, and then he got back into it at the start of COVID because you know everyone was like, you know, what do we do? And he interviewed me, and I was like, Oh, that was really fun. I kinda want to try doing a podcast. So by the end of 2020, um, I was like, you know what, I'm gonna buy a microphone, I'm gonna get some recording software, you know. I've got a background being a musician and stuff, so I sort of know a few things maybe. And uh so then I started um doing the podcast, and it mostly started as I would research a topic, like say uh one of my first episodes was like oddities of New England. So I researched things like the Bridgewater Triangle in Massachusetts or the Bennington Triangle down in Southwest Vermont, um, and other strange stories, so cryptids and ghost stories or alien uh UFO cases. Did you cover the awful? Uh I've done short videos on the awful.
• 8:18
  Okay, I need to find them. Yeah. I love the awful. because I grew up in Berkshire. Oh, you did. Okay, right.
• 8:26
  And and he knows the story. Yeah, I know the story quite quite in depth. And the fact that uh was it Elrond Hubbard who came up here and actually visited Berkshire, which is a no-name town.
• 8:34
  Yeah, yeah, yeah. I think um makes me very excited that you know about this.
• 8:39
  Yeah, I know I feel I think HP Lovecraft uh that's who it was. Yeah, yeah, yeah.
• 8:43
  El Ron Hubbard also sounds right, but I'm pretty yeah, I'm pretty sure it was it was HP Lovecraft, and he was, you know, one of his his uh stories was inspired by that, I guess. You know, one of the Eldritch horrors, which uh a giant like bird-looking thing flying around and terrorizing people. St stealing sheep and babies. Yeah, up in Berkshire and Richford. Yeah, it's a very uh it's a very local cryptid. You don't hear about the awful very much.
• 9:09
  Yes. Yeah, it's like a B tier cryptid, maybe even a D tier cryptid, yeah.
• 9:14
  Yeah, D tier cryptid. Exactly. Like little teeny high school little teeny cryptid. Yes, yeah, exactly. Mad respect. I'm glad you know about the awful. Oh yeah, yeah. So you okay. Well that and you're not limiting yourself to just cryptids. You're you're looking at all of the weird things, which I love. Or just aliens. Because I also enjoy aliens as well. I feel like uh you there's so many bunny trails of the alien world. Like Oh yeah, yeah, yeah. And there's a lot of people just focus on that one particular thing.
• 9:45
  Um, and that's fine. But I I've got ADHD, so I I'm all over the place. So you know, it's uh I I like it all, and I like to to research things and you know, see where the path leads, you know. It's always just been such a a big fascination and and wonder for me. And I love sharing it with people who want to hear about it, you know. Um, so yeah, that's kind of like how it all started and uh eventually I started um bringing on guests uh to the show. Um the first like batch were people that I had met that I'd become friends with, talk about stuff and were just kind of, you know, shooting the breeze and that kind of thing. Um but then I started getting um contacted by like publicists and stuff like that, uh, to interview people who are like researchers or more prominent people. Yep, you know, folks who've been on shows like Ancient Aliens. Um I got to go out to um San Diego Comic Con a couple years ago to go interview um some of the people from the uh Secret of Skinwalker Ranch who I don't maybe some of your listeners are familiar familiar with that show if they like watching history channel stuff. Um that was a really wild experience and um how cool though. Yeah, yeah. And then uh uh last year I got to go out to contact in the desert in um Palm Springs, California and got set up to do interviews with uh people like uh Steve Bassett and uh the late Nick Pope um and a few other um people who are well w well well connected and into like the whole like UFO disclosure uh movement stuff. So that was pretty that was pretty wild. I haven't actually really done any interviews since then just because life has gotten a little crazy this past year with home renovations and and having to like uh b abandon my home studio and like cram into a corner of my bedroom for like the last year. But yeah, it's uh it's been a wild ride so far for sure. That's incredibly cool that you get to go out to California. And uh the UF the the releasing of the UFO information, those people like uh I think his name's Steven Greer, Dr. Steven. Oh yeah, Steven Greer. Like there is this huge amount of information and uh content that has been created around the alien guys, like in particular, the alien people. It is. Uh it's fascinating.
• 12:16
  Cri but cryptids are also really interesting. Oh yeah. Yeah, I love I love cryptid stories. Do you ever have moments? I mean, you've been so busy right now, I'm sure you're getting a backlog. Do you ever have moments where like do I have anything weird to talk about? Or is it always like I have 40 weird things on the agenda? Oh my god. Um, I have uh uh uh like a list of just like all these different topics to talk about for not only short form content. Because right now the easiest thing for me to do is make short form content on like Instagram and and Facebook and YouTube and stuff like that. Um, doing like the longer form podcast episodes is like I don't have enough hours in the week to do that right now. Yeah. Um but there's there's literally no shortage of topics to talk about. And you can even like talk about a topic once and then revisit it and there's like maybe some information you didn't find or some new stuff has come to light. And uh you can you can talk about it, ad nauseum, or you can even bring on an expert to the the show and they can talk about their perspective and what they've found uh and stuff like that. So yeah, it's just it's never ending. Sometimes it gets a little overwhelming though, just because there's like so much that you can talk about and then you're like, what do I talk about? What's going to resonate with people? Um, you know, that kind of stuff. But try try not to think about it like too hard, you know, because the people who like listening to you, like they're just gonna listen to you whatever you put out. Right. And you have a huge follow like your Instagram has a huge following on it now. So I'm sure you're getting interesting messages from interesting people. Just giving you new ideas, must be right. Yeah, all the time, all the time. There was someone who sent me a message request the other day talking about making a suggestion of something to look into to cover.
• 14:09
  There's people who share their own personal stories. People who will just share memes, sometimes there's people who threaten me. That's when you know you've made it when you get people to start to do it. Yeah, you start getting the nutty people.
• 14:23
  That's every once in a while. The first person people and weird stories are so interesting. Yeah. I yeah, I love weird stuff too. I feel like I feel like I we could go down a buddy trail just talking about some specific topic, and I'm trying to hold it back because I want to ask about these things. Maybe some other time. Yeah. And one of the questions I wrote down uh have you like who is the most interesting person you think you've met through this? Oh my gosh. Um that's a hard question. And it's not because he's well known, but probably the most interesting person that I've met so far in person is Dr.
• 15:03
  Travis Taylor, who is the Skinwalker Ranch guy. Okay. That's my uh my......medicator. medication reminder. Oh, uh it's yeah, he um when I flew out to to San Diego, um Annie, they like put me up in a hotel of like pretty much everyone who is like part of like the the whole crew. Like they had a producer, they had this other guy who consulted with the show, um, who actually has been going through a bunch of interviews lately because he put out a book, Jay Stratton. He was like former like Pentagon, like higher up that was like in charge of like the UAP task force from a few years ago. And um he was very interesting, but he he didn't talk a lot because he had like NDAs and stuff, and he's like, I can't really like tell you too much about like what I do or what I've done.
• 15:51
  And I was like, Yeah, fair enough. Um, but but uh Travis Taylor, we were having breakfast in the morning, and he was like talking about all these like stories like things on the ranch, like the hitchhiker effect, how like weird stuff started happening at his home in um Alabama, like after he'd come back from Utah, like yeah, like weird, weird stuff. Like there was this uh he had like a chicken coop that had like a um automatic timer on the door that would go down at like sundown because chickens will just like go back into roost naturally, and it was like a slow closing door. I think he said it was like protects the chicken or whatever. And it was like solar it was had a solar panel to power it, and it was just like on a timer, and like apparently like one morning, uh one of his chickens he found with it basically been decapitated, like the door like slammed down, like and there was like no way that the force of that like slow motor could have like glitched out, there wasn't enough power to do that, and like Right, and even like gravity doesn't do that with something because they don't weigh that much, and then that same that same like evening, um there's this other guy that he's kind of like the the lead investigator, like the the can the command center operator, this guy named Eric, and um he uh apparently had gone out to like dinner with his wife, and he lives in um the in the area where Skinwalker Ranch is in in um the Uinta Basin area of Utah, and I guess they were like driving home from dinner one night and like their new Jeep, and all of a sudden the lights this like pretty much like the same exact time, but you know, time hour difference because they're like two hours behind like East Coast time, and um it was like midnight or something, and the chicken coop was like two AM, and all the lights in the Jeep started like flashing, and the car just like died.
• 17:57
  Oh wow, and then like they couldn't get it started, and they had like call it to a truck or something like that. I was like, that's wild. He also had like stories about like doing investigations into like Nicola Tesla and stuff like that, and just like talking about his his his background with like astrophysics and stuff like that. He's like a legit guy, like he's an actual scientist, which is cool because you know a lot of the like authors, researchers are just that, like they might not be credentialed, which my opinion like doesn't necessarily mean anything because a credentialed person could totally be close-minded off to like you know anything and like okay, well, you're not willing to look at the evidence and change your opinion. And sometimes those people end up becoming the absolute experts in their field. Uh the mushroom guy, though. He never went to college, and he's be like he's got Paul Stametz.
• 18:48
  Paul Stametz never went to college, and he is the mushroom man. Like you knew his name when I said the mushroom.
• 18:52
  Yeah, and he is the expert on mushrooms. So you know, the researchers, the the private hobbyists can end up being the expert.
• 18:59
  Exactly. Yeah. That is really cool. I I am also an engineer. I studied electrical engineering. Oh, right on. And I love the weird. I love Nicole Tesla. Like, that is one of the most interesting things to me, because I have read his book several times over, and the things he writes about are wild. Yeah. Yeah. I mean, I feel like I've only ever skimmed the surface, and like when I've done like videos on some of his stuff, but um, yeah, yeah, it's it's wild. Yeah, just so in-depth, but yes, yes, to your point about someone who who understands astrophysics and wow. Yeah, there's a lot of stuff out there that kind of gives you the heebie jeeby skinwalkers in particular. Oh my god, that kind of gives me the heep. Yeah, yeah. Of all of the cryptids and odd things. I know, and I've had people ask me, like, well, did they invite you out to the ranch? Or like, no, and I honestly don't know if I'd want to go out there, you know. It's just like I've experienced paranormal things in my life before, and it's like, I don't know if I want to uh invite that into my home, you know. Yeah, you don't really want to poke the bear once you've been like, oh, this is it's fun to talk about it and research. Yes.
• 20:14
  Distance. Yes. In the daylight in the sun. Yeah. Yeah. Oh man. Oh, so many good stories. That's it. I don't want to go down a buddy trail. Okay. So Doom Service. Uh, this makes a lot of sense.
• 20:26
  I wanted to compliment you on both both the podcast and the band because the merch game, because it must be from your graphics design skills. Yeah. Is so strong and uh very professionally done, and also for the band in particular, hilarious. Because uh you're like not quite, it's like I guess you'd call it like parody logos of like back to the future and uh like pizza. Yes, yes for Doom Service are truly beautiful, like Chef's guess.
• 20:56
  Thanks. Yeah. Yeah, a lot of the stuff I'll do, but we've also like commissioned some artists every once in a while to do some stuff for us. Like our last album, The Uncanny Doom Service. Um we hired this guy, Tom Lowell, who um he's I think he lives in Maine now, but he was from like Boston before, and he knew our old guitarist Justin, and that's kind of how we met.
• 21:18
  Um, and he he did a lot of work for bands like Iron Sheik and stuff like that. A lot of a lot of stuff for bands who are like dead broke records and and things like that. Yeah, really. He did the Pizza the Butt one. That's what we call it, because it's based on Pizza the Hutt from Spaceballs. Yes, yeah, it's very like drippy. I love the colors on that. That is uh because it's yeah, we I won't describe it. Yeah, go look at go look at this album art. It's absolutely uh Yeah. If you ever check out I mean any merch from either the band or Strangeology, you'll find it's like just like very bold, flat, pop arty colors. That's kind of like how I like doing stuff, but yeah, it's fun. It evokes the 90s, like it makes a lot of sense because uh I think of multiple things about the band pointed out the like nineties references, which in my opinion is very biased because I was born in 92. I think the 90s were the absolute best time that America ever had. Yeah, personally. Yeah, yeah. Everything was brightly colored and fun and stuff was you know, the McDonald's were all for the kids, there were slides. This was great times. It was a great time to grow up for sure. Good music, too. Yes, exactly. So Doom Service has three three full-length albums. Am I getting that right? Uh, we have one full-length album and two EPs. Okay.
• 22:38
  All right, three things released on band camp. Yeah. And when did you officially form as Doom Service? As Doom Service. So Doom Service, it's a little bit of a complicated story. So Doom Service started in 2013 officially, but it came out of a band called 10,000 Volt Ghost, which was around in 2012. Um, and then we went through some like lineup changes. It was me, my old guitarist Justin, and old bassist Roy. Roy isn't even the original bassist of 10,000 volt ghosts. So we we lost a bassist and a drummer, and then we were looking for a drummer for a while. We found a guy in like the spring of um 2013, and then I had a whole bunch of personal stuff going on. Um of then, and so I had to kind of like back away from music for a while. And then a year later, after I got my stuff sorted out, I came back into the fold. And they uh they were like, hey, do you want to play with us again? We need another guitarist. But I was like, yes, I have time now, I'm free. And so we did that lineup for a little while. Um Tyler Bean was playing drums, and then he messed up his uh his ankle at the end of the year, so we had to get a fill and drummer, one of um one of the drummers from a previous band I was in. He had just moved back from Boston, and he was like, I'll drum for you guys for a little bit. Uh, but it's only gonna be temporary because I'm going to going to uh nursing school soon. So and then we got um Ben Cobain to play drums and he drummed for us for like nine years, and then he had to move back. Like a lot of different like lineup changes over the years, but yeah, like officially 2013 was like when the band became Doom Service, but you could technically say it goes back to like 2012. So yeah.
• 24:33
  Yeah, you guys have been doing it for a long time. It's been a while, yeah.
• 24:38
  Yeah, at 13 years. 13 13 years. Yeah, amazing. Lucky number, lucky number 13. I I think it is personally. Yeah.
• 24:49
  It's an odd number, a strange number.
• 24:49
  Yes, fits. And you guys are currently working on a new album or EP. We're working on a uh a follow-up album and an EP at the same time. Ooh. Yeah, I had 13 songs. Uh, and we were like, well, that's a lot of songs for just one record. We're not like one of those 90s um epitaph record bands that's gonna put out a 18 album song uh 18 song album.
• 25:21
  Um so we're splitting it into um a 10 song full length record and then a three-song EP. And the EP is kind of gonna be like more of a it's uh it's actually a bunch of old songs from the 10,000 volt ghost era of this whole project that I wanted to kind of revive and do some justice with with the recording. Um and the lineup of the band, the guys now are just so awesome at what they do, they're incredible players, and uh I always like really loved these songs. It's stylistically like a little bit different than like the stuff that we're playing now, but it's um something that I've been wanting to do forever, and I was just like, yeah, I want to like record these songs just as like a little special thing. It's gonna be called the Revenge of the Ten Thousand Full Ghost. Nice so yeah, it's like that band only ever did like practice space demos, and we never get a chance to actually like do real recordings of um songs. Although on uh the last full length I did revive um there's a song called Collider, and uh that was an old 10,000 volt ghost song that uh I wanted to bring back. It was actually even written before 10,000 volt ghosts was even around. So yeah, you know, some nostalgia vibes for for that, but yeah, it it's uh it's been a process. We started recording in uh August of 2025 with drums, and now we're finally like doing the rest of the drums like a year later. Just because like last fall got like so busy, everyone was had stuff going on, and it was just tough to like get anything to line up. And the the guy that um is recording our record, his name's uh Joe Cross from uh Fleet Garden Audio, and he's based in Plattsburgh, and and so sometimes we like go over to him or he'll come to us.
• 27:20
  Right now we're hanging out at um in uh South Hero at uh our drummer's girlfriend's parents boathouse on the lake, which is really nice. Yeah, perfect. This time here, it's so pretty out uh and also conveniently located in between. Yeah, yeah, yeah.
• 27:43
  It's nice. Very cool. Uh I'm very excited for more Doom Service. You guys have the some of the best stage presents around. Like it's they're always fun shows, like highly recommend if you can get out to a Doom Service show. Also, you guys tow this really fun line for me where you're not you're not so heavy that it's off putting to people who aren't in the heavy music, but you're a little like you're you're cool, you know. You're not the kind of rock that's like a little boring in any way. Like it's definitely it's punk and alternative rock kind of combined. I don't know how I feel like genres get boring and weird to describe, but at the same time trying to explain to people what your music sounds like when you're office cooler, you know, yeah, I'm checking out this band this weekend. Oh, what are they? You know, what do they sound like? It's a mix of things, you know.
• 28:36
  It's like we're very much influenced by like 90s punk, pop punk, post-punk, uh early 2000s era as well, you know.
• 28:42
  Um, but I always do you know who Rob Dobie is. That name sounds wicked familiar. So he was uh I think he was based out of like the Boston area, but back in like the early 2000s, he had uh a clothing line type of thing, and he'd do like artwork for bands and stuff like that. Um it was called uh full I think it was called Full Bleed or something like that, and he put out these like little like um these design these things he illustrated, like uh like stat cards or different like scenes type of people. Oh nice, right?
• 29:17
  And there's this one this this one that was called like the org core punker, like people who listen to like hot water music and like real like gruff, gritty, like punk rock, but it's also like super melodic, but like org core doesn't really mean anything. I don't know if it's like organic, crunchy, like granola, like I don't know. I but I always like laugh at that because I'm like that kind of like is what Doom Service is ultimately like we're we're not just like you know, straight up punk rock b band or like a bar punk band, like or like your Ramon Sex Pistols, UK D2, like you're definitely like a little easier listening than the Sex Pistols. Yeah, that's it. It's it's the kind of rock where I feel like I actually can't invite you, uh my co workers to your shows. Yeah, and I don't feel bad about doing it because some people I'll invite them to come see my band, and I'm like, maybe they aren't gonna like me.
• 30:15
  Inviting them to come see where here to kill. Maybe going to judge me. That's always a tricky thing, right? That's funny. Like people who've been in the band over the years like that, like they're always like inviting their coworkers and stuff. And some sometimes they come up and they're like, oh, you guys are really good. I love your all your guitar riffs and stuff, and like, oh, thanks, man.
• 30:33
  breathe Yeah. because I Try to give it 110 10%, even though I'm getting old.
• 30:40
  But you do though. That's it. There's a lot of confidence and professionalism when you guys come out that it's hard. The graphics. The graphics and the having the image put together, but also you got on stage, and it's obvious that you've played together forever, and you're very comfortable on stage, and that that confidence comes through. And it's fun. Highly recommend people come check Doom Service out. Uh speaking of which, you guys have a show coming up at Higher Ground. And this should this podcast interview should come out just before that show. which Uh which is the 30th? Is that right? Yeah.
• 31:18
  Friday, October 30th. And we're playing with uh Violet Crimes, Dead Street Dreamers, and Valerie Falls, all buddies of ours, and it's gonna be a really good time. For sure. We're gonna bust out a few uh covers that are uh all from one band, very Halloween themed. Nice. We're not gonna say exactly who yet, but you can probably guess. Nah, We won't guess. I w I want to guess, but yeah. Awesome. Okay, so Friday the 30th. Uh I'm assuming costumes welcome. Oh, of course, yeah. Yeah, I still have to get a costume. It's always so hard when you the when you do a a show every Halloween and trying to come up with a new costume every year. Yeah, yeah. We haven't done a Halloween show in a long time. I mean, we used to do like the the 242 uh back in the day, 242 would always do a Halloween show where they would invite like I don't know, six, seven, eight, nine, ten, whatever bands, to come in and play like two or three songs from a band, you know, and that it was so many bands playing, so they could you know do it all. We did a couple of those and a couple others at like other venues uh after 242 closed, and it was always such a fun time uh doing it, and then just like the last many years, I guess at this point. It goes quick.
• 32:40
  Yeah, it was hard to do, or like lineup changes, COVID and all that stuff.
• 32:45
  It's also stressful. I feel like the holiday shows are amazing and a really good time every time, but I also feel like it just adds this like lecture bump of like gotta get the cost of all these other songs too. Yeah, great, gotta learn the Halloween songs.
• 33:03
  Yeah, yeah. Oh, so cool. Uh, I want to talk about ghosts and stuff, but I'm holding off. But if you are also interested in strange things, Strangeology.com is your website, and you also have Strangeology podcast as the Instagram. But basically, if you Google Strange Ology, yeah, it'll show up on the whole entire first page of Google. Yeah, it's it's uh it's got good SEO. Uh just the word strange O L O G Y. And you you'll get there. Um, Doom Service, also good SEO. Doom service, just normal spelling, which is awesome. And check out the show at higher ground and just yeah, check out check out the Instagram too, all sorts of fun stuff.
• 33:48
  Yeah, check it out. Thank you so much, Jeff, for coming on the show, and thank you all for listening. Thank you.