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Talks to the magnificent Frazer Gregory about his choice of The Ambassadors of Death (1/7) · A Hamster With a Blunt Penknife - a Doctor Who Commentary podcast

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  I'm so drunk. Good evening, you've joined us
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  here, this historic moment, this we ask attempting to reconnect
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  with the podcast, a hamster with a blunt penknife, which as we
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  all know, has been lost for seven months on its way.
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  Back from Mars, you join me now, just as our Intrepid, astronaut
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  Captain Fraser Gregory, it's trying to reconnect with the
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  Mars 7 Lander. And the occupant that when you
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  thought I said, Joe Van luncheons actually.
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  As you can see, now countries, I was just opening the hatch
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  injecting air into the tunnel. Oh my God, what's that?
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  Horrible noise? Stop it, excuse me.
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  Casting Aspersions already. Hello.
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  Frasier. Hello Joanne.
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  Welcome to a hamster with a blunt.
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  Penknife does the ambassadors. Of death of death.
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  How are you this evening? Oh, I'm all this.
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  While I'm here, talking about a jumper we, Serie with you.
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  Yes. And we, which is actually my
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  comfort era of Doctor Who, so? Yeah, Moon.
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  And we've obviously picked the best one of the entire year.
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  I'll using, this is the best jumper.
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  We story of all. Yeah yeah I'm going to go there.
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  I think there's little ones which are really good like the
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  demons and green death. The sea Devils which are also
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  really kind of all the monsters basics of dinosaurs.
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  But this one is the one that kind of you know ticks all the
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  boxes for me. It's the one that comes together
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  the most with just everything that you want with the per year
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  and everything you love about the pit where you were.
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  And just things. I hate this story, right?
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  And the other wrong, I've been completely agree.
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  I don't think it's probably the best of the year.
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  I think it's very strong, really strong on, kind of any box.
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  You can take Direction, writing performance narrative all of it.
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  Why is this story so ignored? Why is it so forgotten?
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  Because it's in season 7, and it comes after the Doctor Who in
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  the silurians and comes before Inferno.
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  No in a series that started with spearhead from space.
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  So all the other stories around it or so strong that this is the
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  one that kind of gets left behind as it were.
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  This is the one that's like at ignored because the other ones
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  are, you know, in other people's opinions, much better.
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  And but you know, for me this one stands up much.
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  That's equally with, you know, infernal sons of equally, the
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  spearhead possibly better than silurians is bad.
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  Directed them, the silurians I think this is some of the best
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  Direction you're going to seeing classic hearing this story.
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  It is it is it's Michael Ferguson and he's doing what
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  Michael Ferguson does, which is just being better than anyone's
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  got any rate to come in and do. Yeah, you know where the budget
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  that he's got ya, his creativity.
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  Here on the camera is extraordinary.
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  Yeah it's one of these directors and you know the - like love at
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  Bickford and whatnot and Dougie fan field where you think we've
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  got no right to have something this good.
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  You know it's a prime example of the BBC, discovering talent and
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  nurturing it and letting it develop, you know, make Michael
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  Ferguson went on to produce EastEnders, did you?
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  No, I did not. Nothing he was producing
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  EastEnders at the time that the Mitchell Brothers were bass.
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  EastEnders eyes High, isn't it? That's 30 million a week.
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  Yeah, whatever else I'm feelin grunt coming in its Eddie Royal
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  being bumped off. Its em, you know, Mark Foley.
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  I get an HIV. It's all that basically will
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  always watch it and exactly wholesomely watching unashamedly
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  watching Solutely it was gripping and it's that was
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  Michael Ferguson Sera. So, you know, I've got a before
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  we go it, I've got a weird conundrum That season 7, right?
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  Because I think it is probably the most accomplished season of
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  Doctor Who, like, in how its presented in, how it commits
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  itself to atone in its intelligent storytelling.
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  In, it's like, astonishing guest performances across the season
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  and yet it's never a season. I want to go back and watch.
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  I never whenever I'm looking at shelves, I've never like oh one
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  or season 7 and you know what that is?
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  I realized today, when I put on our buses, they have to give
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  myself a little refresher is it's very serious and it you
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  know, me that I like acne like a thief um, over the phone.
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  Yeah, Doctor Who and this is, it's definitely a tone.
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  Isn't it season 7 kind of clinical bit violent.
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  Ya know, I can get that. I think this This has worse.
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  He's got quite good balance between that sort of greatness,
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  but there's a great playfulness throughout this as well.
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  But there is some like, really Adult moments in here.
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  The some light really quite gruesome and quite chilling
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  moments in the story which will there's some astonishing moment
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  of violence, even in this first episode, I feel absolutely.
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  I think, I think the problem more will season seven than
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  anything else is the length of the stories because you know
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  it's not something that you could just you know sit down at
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  all like 9:00 connecting all you know what?
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  I'm watching an item that I'm going to stick.
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  You know say Luann's on you've you've got a kind of putter you
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  know you can't watch it all in one go.
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  You have to split it over, cut the nights and which I'm happy
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  to do. I've been watching this, you
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  know, in preparation and just because I love it and for the
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  last three or four weeks now. So you know what is perfect for
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  is perfect. And now you wouldn't understand
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  this because you're both a husband and a father and you
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  have pets now as well. So you never have free time but
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  it's the perfect Sunday like Afternoon of got four hours to
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  kill. While had a roasted over the
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  fire from bash out seven episodes of season 7.
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  Yeah, absolutely. You would it's the sort of
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  hollyoaks of daughter who doesn't stick it on a morning
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  and you know, then cook you dinner?
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  And yeah, that would work, wouldn't it?
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  Well, I'll tell you what. I actually saw.
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  I've only watched two episodes in preparation for so I am
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  gagging to see what you think of all of this.
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  Well, I really don't know. So, are you ready to skip into
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  episode? One.
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  I am very ready to skip another episode 1.
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  Well, what do you count as in then Okay, and five, four,
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  three, two, one plate. You realize something I'm
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  absolutely living my best life. You know, when I'm discussing
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  Doctor, Who with you in an evening, after me tea, I don't
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  know. Good grief, right?
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  We can't be this nice. All the way through people are
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  finding agonizing and very uncharacteristic rate.
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  Here Comes were first talking point then, which is open and
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  credits because the done, Something different with these
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  ones, haven't there, or you talking about the ambassador's
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  off the introduction and then they give you a sort of the
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  called, open all the requires. Yeah.
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  Why the fuck did they do not kill?
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  That's amazing, it's so good. It's think it would get a little
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  bit tedious after a while. So you think it's effective as a
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  one-off? It really affect as a one off
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  because it kind of like makes this one stand out a bit more
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  and it gets them You know, you don't get anything all as a
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  one-off is a little novelty, it's really good.
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  But, you know, if they will kinda like, keeping this cord
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  all the way through for the next sort of like, 30 years.
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  Whatever you'd be like, well, they did this, like, they
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  disagree with infernos. Well, I didn't know, we've all
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  the exploding lava and volcanoes, and all of that as
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  well, which was a nice touch as well.
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  Okay. Immediately, when this started,
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  okay, I felt it almost feels like a documentary.
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  It's played so seriously, that's Yes.
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  That's one of the beauties of it it's it's it's hard sci-fi but
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  it's actually not hard in as much as you know it's greatly
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  but it's hard as much as it's actually quite realistic kids.
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  You know Mars probe 7 has been lost.
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  We've lost contact with it until we're back from Mars but no
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  one's had any contact with it for six months which is the time
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  it takes to travel from Mars. It's not just yeah.
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  And I did feel like throughout episodes 1 & 2, it's all played
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  out. Was it feels like in real time?
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  Now, I know it would take a lot longer, probably enroll.
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  I'm the 25 minutes to get this rocket back, but it feels, it
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  doesn't feel rushed. No, like, the last time we did
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  space travel, it was like the early space pirates and the
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  seeds of death. And it was all very comic book
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  and there's get from there to there to that planet.
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  Whereas now we're doing Doctor Who, like, in space for real,
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  This helps as well. The the the newsreader Michael
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  wishes new dream which doesn't usually do.
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  This is brilliant. This is a fantastic way of
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  getting around your exposition to have it you know delivered in
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  the style of other news realized it's fantastic at the doctor.
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  Winners are watching, what's going on on the right way of
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  bringing them into the story? Yeah, well, I mean, who would do
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  that nowadays with know who Rusty, Davis loves that, doesn't
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  it? Yes, as you know, London, We
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  have the doctor watching all those events you know played out
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  in on like BBC News. 24 first. What is this a this a the Tardis
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  is it? Yes it's the Tardis.
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  No it's not. The Tardis console.
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  The kind of took it out of out of the TARDIS and it looks like
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  it's in someone's living room. It's probably uh to before
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  before It got updated. Well, I thought the heart of the
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  TARDIS was in the home so that's no.
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  Do you know what? They're just make it harder
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  later. Back out, obviously go along.
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  You can take this console out and make repairs and very, oh, I
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  think the, the non sort of continuity of version is that
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  the set was damaged, you know, their own dolls were damaged,
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  console was fine after they Classic series but the other
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  Bits of the set, were to examine still all games.
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  They were literally using those, you know, yeah.
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  Photo blow-ups of the roundels for ages in that and it really,
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  really terrible. Oh, did you hear the story about
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  this scene, where it was a really just an exposition scene
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  between the doctor and Liz and Barry?
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  Let sent? No, it's not Doctor Who enough.
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  We need to be more doctor so that's why you've got the
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  popping off for a time. Yeah but there's a few I was
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  watching with the comment. Beyond then.
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  It was M. Michael Ferguson was like all
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  this was my idea. They Terrance dicks was like,
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  well, no, it was ours Asia as well.
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  If it is your makeup then you know, I'm sorry but we did steal
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  it for different if you know he's got all that scientifically
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  shop and test you on top of this TV.
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  Yeah. Just to prove that he's a true
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  eccentric. Yeah.
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  I don't know if you noticed but she's like straight after the of
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  death credit is there was a glass shot of Mission Control
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  and these hexagonal cells. So it had a real sense of scale
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  to it or this is a brilliant set.
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  This is, you know that you've got it's from my folks.
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  And I used to do is having a big set with levels.
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  Like, you know, the costs are going up and down and he's that
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  was all part of the season. Thing that wasn't.
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  Why? Having seven episodes you can
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  kind of panel ties. The cost and have better
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  production values. Yeah, I'm gonna apologize for
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  the background noise because my puppy is currently gone, but a
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  mental half hour, with a ball. So any wallet my mark a point
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  has moved out now. So someone's pet has to take
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  over. Yeah.
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  And I'll be warned that if there's a random stop it at any
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  point, it's not for dual. It's for willow.
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  Puppy could well that I could be for me or the dog coffee will
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  see will say oh but the action. You know, no one's done it yet.
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  So I'm going to take the opportunity and say set off the
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  dominant as Clarkson because there is, oh my God, forgot
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  about it earlier. That's is it Rago?
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  Orto bar and well go oh my God, the boys game:.
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  I'm looking fantastic. I mean, You know, gorgeous
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  Hamlet. We've got the Hamlet music as
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  well with the other model shot. No, but their lives, they are
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  trying to do what they did during documentaries at the
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  time. Isn't it?
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  When they died? They had actual space footage.
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  Yeah. Is they use classical music?
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  I think it's I think it's lovely.
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  Having some nice. Yeah, it's very 2001 Space.
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  Odyssey model work is really strong as well.
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  Well then again this is the commentary.
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  The 76 says that all mobile phone says that the split the
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  cost with do much all. They never did.
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  Yeah. Good do much.
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  We're doing a to I think it was doing much we're doing a similar
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  sort of production so that said well, you know well we'll just
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  do the have the model and then You know, will stick new
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  stickers on and you can have it and we'll split the cost of the
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  budget. I think the cockpit as well for
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  it. I'll hang on a minute.
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  I'm one of your smile rumored that doesn't terroristic.
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  Say they said they wanted to give them the story lies.
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  Just in case they were, they were going to have similar
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  story, lies and terroristic. Split one looks at all these
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  storylines from DuBois and went well I wouldn't touch any of
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  them. They're good to go.
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  No I haven't that. I watched the first.
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  Flan, which is all about it was called the plastic eaters is a
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  sequence on a plane where the plane starts melting in Flight,
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  absolutely terrifying. Oh, talking of terrifying.
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  I thought this was a brilliant better Direction.
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  The suspense in this scene where he opens up the hatch one bit at
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  a time. I mean, This this whole story
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  gets one of the reasons that people aren't as fun to be as I
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  am, is because of the pardon, because it is, your seven
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  episodes long in the plot stretched, a bit of points and
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  there's a bit of capture and there's a bit of recap German
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  Escape, but this scene is pardoned, know the initial scene
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  where, you know, he said it looks like your cut a
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  documentary in Scott. Yeah, well of Cornish, you know,
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  two degrees left already you're coming in too because it's all
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  pardon, but Do you know that the camera is from the point of view
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  of whatever he's seeing and then it's slow motion and it's just
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  got like a silent scream. Yeah.
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  And if but if this was like, you know, if your first quadrant
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  hinges, clear for Williams want this would be, you know, will be
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  straight in. You'd have.
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  Yeah, one minute scene of like, you know, I've doctor I'm going
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  in. Well, I got a question for you
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  then, so do you not mind a more measured Pace?
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  No, not at all a bit more realistic.
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  Not at all. And I think because the pattern
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  that we're getting is this quality sudden, it's not, it's
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  not where you can obviously see the joints of something like
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  that. A monster later on in a couple
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  series time where you literally have the doctor digging on with
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  the wine bottle. While brings good, should do not
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  go and get the master know and he's like, no no let me do that
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  and that's that Madara. There's a lot of Cat Valentine
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  monster but there's a lot of fucking nonsense in there as
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  well. Oh, this woman, I really liked
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  her right? A woman who works at Mission
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  Control. Yeah, he's at ashes.
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  I think in episode 2, we don't see her again inches in for the
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  first couple of episodes. And then in the last couple, she
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  was replaced by a different character.
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  Oh, I got that. They sell in the country that
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  should have had a couple long at the end in.
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  Go up it away for a few days. What's been happening.
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  I'll know Talia than his accent in his accent.
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  Oh my That's the point. I've got a question for all who
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  asked about to tell you, but it's out to Twitter again.
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  Oh, yes. Okay, Daniel, Nate was tell
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  Italians accent. The inspiration for John Cleese,
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  has French tonta in Monty Python and the Holy Grail?
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  Yes. How does the accent drop when
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  he's on location with John Cleese is Character.
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  Oh we got a, you know what, right?
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  People say about Jon Pertwee being, you know, a total prick
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  in his first couple of Seasons. So I think that done it, I
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  really dont like early Jon Pertwee but when he comes in a
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  minute up that lift and goes my dear fellow, I think we don't
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  happen to have a pass because I do believe in him.
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  That's why Harris. But this this scene is
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  brilliant. And this is why I think
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  pertwee's. Doctor works a lot better in
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  season seven than he does in season eight East.
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  Him sort of talked about what happens is, you know, you comes
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  up. He's obviously lost his way and
• 18:52
  all parties being fair enough, he comes in, he starts having a
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  bit of a set to a Cornish. And then the bread gets involved
• 19:00
  in the brig, please, The Peacemaker, and, you know,
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  smooth it over the course, and some sort of the doctor and the
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  doctor realizes that he's making a dick in.
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  So, you know, it is quite good and quite apologize.
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  Ladies, With Colin Baker, when they brought in even in Smythe,
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  is they brought in a character who would hold up a mirror to
• 19:24
  how arrogant he was being and then he would end up
• 19:26
  apologizing. Yeah, but I think there was a
• 19:29
  level of sophistication to the doctor and the brigadier's
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  relationship at this point, which gets a little thinned out,
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  as they act as get comfortable together.
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  Don't think, I'm guess then do as much as it gets completely.
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  The tune changes it isn't. It's you get the stomach like
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  the mind of evil or close of access.
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  Where, you know, at the end the the top, the brig is the book of
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  the doctors jokes. Mmm sort of thing.
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  It like I could be stuck here with your brain.
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  Yeah, you know, and it's kind of like if it come planet of the
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  Daleks are going off on a date to the theater together, you
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  know? Yeah.
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  But yeah. They start off in here.
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  And there's a lovely scene I think episode 5 or 6 where you
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  know, the doctors blast on the space in the brig comes to see
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  me, that's fantastic reassures. You know, the risk level of
• 20:26
  respect between the two characters that disappears in
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  89, and it's not until like 11, where the out, you know, seeing
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  a short together that you actually get back to feeling.
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  These are all people who who kind of enjoy each other and the
• 20:42
  same time, he has that line in absolutely in this episode.
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  He says, I will now he's blown up The Silo it so they can have
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  a difference of opinion as well. And what?
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  Yeah, something like that, the man's a fool.
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  It's it's great. I think I've said this it on the
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  podcast perhaps is that, you know, the thing that was gets me
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  about pool, where he is, is that the doctor is account.
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  That's always the most clever person in the room.
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  You know, they are the genus, the other one.
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  That knows that's the cleverest person in the room.
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  They know that. But other doctors have to work
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  to convince other people that we're was put, we just
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  automatically assumes walks in the room and to automatically
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  assume that everyone is just going to know that he is private
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  schools. Like a media Authority has that
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  you don't question it at all. I think, well, this is it people
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  do and that's where the this the kind of dickish nurse comes in
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  is again this is really good example ways to stormed in and
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  he's been like, you know, Cornish, give me a computer.
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  It's pepper and conscious like me at.
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  This is my, this is my Space Center sling, your hook in.
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  It will however have that that the brig clear.
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  Not Peacemaker. Because it gets called out on
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  it, and Liz cause and out. And as welders and that seemed,
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  whether in the weather watchin Make-a-Wish has television
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  program and this brings him a cup of tea and he's just kind of
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  like engrossed in the Telly social waxham on the shuttle.
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  It's but you know what? He's very different with Liz
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  than he is with Joe in season 8 and I think it's because Liz
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  literally white taking it And but there are moments where he
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  liked he will give Liz. I come on like in episode 2.
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  He says I'll go ask the computer.
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  What's 2 & 2. Yeah.
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  Well don't be so ridiculous layers.
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  Just do it. Let's do it.
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  You know, and she realizes okay, he's doing this for a, but where
• 22:28
  is it that have been him to Joe? Yeah, so though it would have
• 22:31
  felt patronizing and condescending.
• 22:35
  Yeah, it's the this is a bit of respect between all of the
• 22:40
  colors here at the minute Laurie.
• 22:42
  Look at it. Squeaking, it's go away.
• 22:47
  She's uh, she's going to crash in a minute but just just going
• 22:51
  for it. I don't know if you noticed a
• 22:54
  minute ago, right? Did you see you know when the
• 22:56
  debtor what they're doing it right now where the noise cuts
• 22:59
  it? Yes he's like up, Kaka that had
• 23:02
  to be done live in studio, you're here that's that's
• 23:06
  tremendous. And then again that's that fancy
• 23:08
  bit of but fantastic bit of direction and editing from from
• 23:11
  Michael Ferguson, really pretty. But just look at that camera
• 23:14
  angle there. He's literally gone down to
• 23:17
  Floyd shooting up at them, on an upper level.
• 23:20
  I'm telling you now I know you must stop you there.
• 23:23
  God is. That is just a peachy shot
• 23:25
  there. Zoom straight in on Nicholas.
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  Courtney speech, man. I'd use it.
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  Hi, Lucy. We see your, No.
• 23:37
  Well, I'll tell you what she ain't gonna throw.
• 23:38
  No brigadiers, because I think she fancies the a software
• 23:40
  called literally literally here, that's it.
• 23:46
  Newman. You and I recently won tell you
• 23:50
  now, there weren't even one shot of sophisticated as what we just
• 23:53
  saw there from microphone and that's just one camera angle
• 23:57
  will came to discuss them off at this direction, you know, in
• 24:01
  depth in when we did that and you know, if that's you know,
• 24:05
  pick them off. It is the type of director that
• 24:07
  you know you'd expect to have on on Doctor Who it was an extent
• 24:10
  used to take the director you need to have on on Doctor Who
• 24:12
  you needa The more fat you need, a pennant Roberts to come in and
• 24:17
  be. And you see these, I'm sorry to
• 24:19
  interrupt you, can you see this location for Italy's Batman
• 24:22
  angles in the windows and stuff is extraordinary.
• 24:26
  It's just fantastic. I do, it's a bit annoying
• 24:29
  because I don't think Ferguson gets the same recognition of
• 24:31
  people, like, Graeme Harper and Douglas Canfield.
• 24:35
  And, yeah, I think he's every bit as strong.
• 24:38
  Yes, own weight is your music. Go on and I do it.
• 24:46
  Do it do it is absolutely correct.
• 25:07
  Really interesting stuff in his anyway because he's got like a
• 25:09
  saxophone playing in episode 2 when there's always sort of
• 25:13
  Espionage going In the sales and things, maybe it's Jazzy.
• 25:16
  That's what it is. Yeah, Josie and give it for.
• 25:20
  It's kind of like a thrill of this and a jazz score.
• 25:23
  It shouldn't really go together but it kind of does I think he's
• 25:26
  there's I think there's three bits of meat with Three that
• 25:30
  really stick out which is the, you know, the unit arrivin, you
• 25:36
  know, music that is the dun dun dun dun dun dun dun dun when I
• 25:47
  get in the car and then obviously that I love that.
• 26:00
  You know, flute. And this is one of the best
• 26:04
  directed action sequences ever in Doctor Who this could be
• 26:09
  coming out of a crime drama out of this.
• 26:12
  Could be the Sweeney. This could be.
• 26:14
  Yeah. Yeah, Cagney and Lacey or any
• 26:16
  other one of those big budget American Crime, dramas all shot
• 26:19
  on film. Yeah.
• 26:21
  It's it's just brilliant because I what I love about this is the
• 26:24
  brig getting stuck in GT, the fellow at the trench coat,
• 26:28
  they're looking really stiff. Are we is popping up with these
• 26:32
  with these corny? Hated firing down significance
• 26:35
  for me. Yeah.
• 26:36
  You can see him blinking every single time but everyone else is
• 26:39
  as well. There's a bit in a minute right
• 26:40
  where he's up against a wall and this is fucking bullet.
• 26:43
  Holes appear in all around is hate Jesus Christ.
• 26:48
  I think also because I love the fact that he's getting stuck in
• 26:51
  because it gives me a bit of ammunition to say to the people
• 26:55
  who slate survivors of the flux for the brig being a corporal
• 26:59
  co-opted Me but having a mission to say that man has served in
• 27:04
  the ranks. That mountain is not just purely
• 27:09
  an officer, he has done his time.
• 27:11
  So my my head Canon of survivors at the flux is that, you know,
• 27:15
  captain lethbridge-stewart or whatever.
• 27:18
  Did a bit of a thaw with the young Alistair, my last, uh,
• 27:21
  Gordon okay, that your bit to, you know, fully yourself, you're
• 27:25
  a bit, you know, you know, you're You know, but how can
• 27:31
  your a bit thinking of that? So I'm going to push it down,
• 27:34
  the court will go and spend some time as an enlisted man.
• 27:37
  Yeah, and you know, I should write one of those left with
• 27:40
  Stuart book so explains that, you know, send it back then.
• 27:43
  They were the only person who really complaints about that.
• 27:45
  Very loud is Jason Miller you know, honestly and he complained
• 27:49
  about some very strange things. Pull back easy.
• 27:56
  It's just and again this is pardon, isn't it?
• 27:58
  This is pardon, it is, I don't know.
• 28:00
  But you know what? I would say that I'd say there
• 28:02
  are lots of moments in this story where narrative gets a
• 28:06
  little bit confused. Yeah, the deliberately because
• 28:09
  you're supposed to be like, well who do you trust?
• 28:10
  It's a bit X-Files, isn't it? It's like who who in Authority
• 28:14
  do you trust or not? It's a, it's a double-cross up
• 28:17
  to individual triple cross, that turns and were we've.
• 28:20
  Lots of dangers are not of escaping and capturing and all
• 28:23
  of this haha. It's so well realized yeah, who
• 28:27
  cares? That's what makes it work is You
• 28:30
  know, pattern is absolutely faint.
• 28:33
  If you've got someone really accomplished doing that pattern,
• 28:36
  if you've got ten sticks right in the script and if you've got
• 28:38
  Michael Ferguson directing it, you know, that pattern is gold,
• 28:43
  you know, and your wouldn't want to lose it for anything this
• 28:45
  here, where he's got the gun on the Brigadier.
• 28:48
  And you're thinking, why is curtains for Alistair and then
• 28:51
  it and then the last thing you expect him to do is drop the
• 28:53
  garden. It's a funny one that says but
• 28:55
  like why is that not the cliffhanger?
• 29:00
  Possible house. I do question the Brigadier
• 29:02
  going right now. Giving him some woman.
• 29:08
  Yeah, that never mind. And you know what like look at
• 29:11
  this gritty. Sort of urban setting this
• 29:14
  Warehouse, you know, Yeah, there's there's rumors dad.
• 29:20
  Oh my God. Yeah.
• 29:21
  Isn't it from Red? Wolf has stopped to say son.
• 29:26
  Don't smoke it. Let me tell you.
• 29:29
  He is phenomenally good in this John Adams Harry.
• 29:33
  Yeah. But again that's that's one of
• 29:35
  the things that really works in. This is we have quite a big gust
• 29:39
  of got a lot of custom, a lot of extras.
• 29:41
  You know you've got people like him control room, lady who have
• 29:46
  spoken. To pop in and pop out of Benton
• 29:49
  comes along in a few episodes time.
• 29:52
  This is this the story. Well like they say dependents
• 29:55
  who what is go to that in four episodes of time?
• 29:59
  But that's horse, but I think the Genesis of this story is it
• 30:03
  started out as a David Whittaker script.
• 30:06
  So he wrote in its entirety and he was asked to rewrite it
• 30:10
  several times. Yeah.
• 30:12
  It wasn't going in the direction, they wanted it in and
• 30:15
  Tara sticks spoke to Derrick show anywhere that we can't keep
• 30:19
  having to rewrite this, like, you know, I'm going to take it
• 30:21
  home and him and Malcolm Hulk rewrote it essentially top to
• 30:27
  bottom, but with the bare bones of Whitaker's story in there.
• 30:30
  That's I think there's a true every who did the first episode,
• 30:35
  but the rest was, you know, Dixon Hulk.
• 30:38
  But you know what, you've got there.
• 30:40
  You've got David, Whittaker Terror, sticks and Malcolm Hulk,
• 30:43
  and their three of the best Riders we ever had in the
• 30:46
  classic series. He that you've got ten sticks
• 30:48
  doing what Terrance dicks does. Best go on, got his back to the
• 30:52
  wall, got a deadline. Got to get something out.
• 30:55
  Any hack set. Yeah, so you hacks at the death,
• 30:58
  but Tevin sticks is such a good hug.
• 31:01
  Are, you know, is Terrance dicks?
• 31:05
  A hug greater? That's a question is Terence.
• 31:08
  Isn't that right? Yes, he is, but I think he's the
• 31:11
  best hack right at the show. Has absolutely.
• 31:14
  Absolutely. He is absolute genius when he's
• 31:18
  actually, you know, put up against the wall.
• 31:20
  You look at things like horrifying rock.
• 31:22
  Where is in the same position? You look at the walking's, the
• 31:26
  five doctors, I mean, that is that an impossible task, the
• 31:29
  pull that off and he does it is entertaining as hell, but I
• 31:33
  think as well, you've got Hulk here as well.
• 31:35
  So there's a level of sophistication to this certainly
• 31:38
  with the characterization. Yeah, absolutely.
• 31:43
  So it all kind of makes sense and there's a lot of action and
• 31:46
  its paces. Yeah, that's where I was going
• 31:48
  and you know, the characters, the characters that you actually
• 31:51
  get spend a bit of time with so the dr.
• 31:53
  Liz, tough talion Ralph Cornish Lennox, what are the right
• 31:58
  character lennox's? You know, even even like I wish
• 32:03
  I was kotler, you know, there's levels to them which and they
• 32:08
  say living there is a farce and we'll get there in the last
• 32:11
  episode but I've got almost jump up an area.
• 32:14
  So Carrington, if that Unforgettable villain.
• 32:17
  Especially given what happens at the end of the story.
• 32:20
  Yeah. Oh my God.
• 32:21
  Phrase were ended. So we were still talking.
• 32:23
  We were totally in pulled a gun on the doctor and so ended the
• 32:31
  story. But like I said, this is really
• 32:34
  quite padded out, but it's flown over because it's just so awful
• 32:38
  episode 1 flew by what I watched it, you know, that's what I was
• 32:41
  going to fly by as well. Then we'll get over that all
• 32:44
  seven episodes going to fly by really tonight.
• 32:47
  Or should we should we should we get on with it then?