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EP 30: NFL Gender Reveals, Top 3 MVP Candidates After Week 4, & What Is A Franchise QB? · 3 Guys, 6 Balls NFL Podcast

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3 lifelong friends, 6 trusty balls and endless NFL ticks.
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Welcome to Three Guys 6 Balls NFL Podcast Welcome to episode
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30 of Three Guys 6 Balls NFL Podcast.
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We've got a lot of great stuff for you guys today, so we're
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just going to jump right in. Last week Will gave us a recap
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of Week 3 and this week he's going to give us a recap of Week
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4, so we'll take it away. Hi week 4 again.
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We had all 16 games started Thursday as it's going to for
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most of the rest of the season. We had Seahawks, Cardinals
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first. Now even cool jerseys could save
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to Cardinals season. JSN got stared down by that ref
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like he was being parented. Also it is nice to see Sandra
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playing good football right now. Vikings, Steelers in Dublin,
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Carson went through for 350 yards, 2 touchdowns and they
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still lost the new father time in a bag of rocks.
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We had Commanders, Falcons. Falcons decided they finally
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wanted to score points this week.
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Their defense, however, still questionable.
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Chargers at Giants with Jackson dart season Jackson dart.
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Chargers are going to be just fine.
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But the Chargers also, you're going to lose this game nine
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times out of 10 because you're the Chargers and you just can't
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function on games like this. You're undefeated, they're
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winless. You're just going to lose it.
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It's just the way it works for you guys.
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Titans at Texans and 2000 still bad.
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Titans are the worst of them. Eagles, Bucks.
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We had Eagles still not playing full four quarters of football,
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but somehow winning. Mecca is going to win rookie of
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the year. Let's just go ahead and lock
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that up now. Oh yeah, Panthers, Pats,
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Panthers decided they were done playing defense this year.
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One game was enough for them. When we go to the Saints, Bills,
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Saints decided to let Chris a lot.
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They throw a pass before Lillian Tyler struck, touched the ball
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again. Also, he did not complete that
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pass. That's not a joke.
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Quick. For a lot they went over one in
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passing this week where the Tyler shot did not touch it.
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Saints bad, Bill's good. Browns Lions stat wise,
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offensively at least, this game was fairly even.
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But the NFL, so we're going to give the Browns a loss anyway.
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And we got Jags. 49ers. 49ers had had half of their punts this
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game returned for touchdowns. That was a big difference in
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this game. Where was that?
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In our four turnovers, they only punted twice, and one of them
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was for a touchdown. It's not like they had eight
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punts, but you know, half sounds better.
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And we had Colts, Rams. The Colts are doing their best
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to promote the new Chad Powers Show from Hulu.
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And the Rams actually wanted to score in their long touchdown
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plays. So there's that.
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We had Bears at the Raiders. Raiders finally paid their
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offensive line to block for Ashton Gente and it showed with
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three, three total touchdowns. And apparently it's very end of
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the game that the Raiders did not learn from the Rams last
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week that you need to protect your kicker on a field goal
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attempt to win the game. It got blocked.
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Ravens, Chiefs, Ravens bad, I guess.
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Chiefs good. Packers, Cowboys. 74 minutes of
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football and we still couldn't figure out who won that game.
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We had jets. Dolphins fields is the problem,
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not the answer. Dolphins bad, Jets worse.
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Also, sorry to tyree code that. That was gross.
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That was rough. That was rough.
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Bengals, Broncos Evan Ware type injury.
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Yeah. If you guys remember that.
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Louisville. That's a deep.
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Yeah, that's a. Deep I was.
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Actually talking about that today.
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I was actually talking about that today.
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And our our final Monday Night Football game, we had Bengals,
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Broncos. The Bengals are about to have a
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fire sale. They are the worst team in NFL
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right now. Even though they've won a game,
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they are the worst team in NFL. They have all the offensive
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weapons and still can't do anything. 3 total points.
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When you have Chase Brown, Jamar, Chase T Higgins, you've
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got, I don't even know who your Titans are anymore.
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You've got the worst team in NFL.
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You can't stop anybody. You can't score.
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You are the worst. Don't forget about Shamar.
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Well, he didn't even play. He wasn't playing.
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I can't forget about him. Yeah, it's the first round pick,
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not even playing anyway, that was before in this show all.
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Right, Thanks, Will. Appreciate that.
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All right. So like I mentioned before,
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we've got some good stuff for you guys.
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Today. We're going to talk about our
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top three MVP candidates. After week four of the season,
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we're going to discuss what is a franchise quarterback.
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But before we do all that, we're going to do our NFL gender
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reveal and. What do we identify as now?
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Exactly, So the way that we picked had the order in this is
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I sent a text to the guys saying how many sacks do you think
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Micah Parsons is going to get against the Cowboys?
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And whoever gets it or gets closest to it gets to decide who
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goes first. So Avery won and Avery decided
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that the order is going to be will myself and then himself and
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so will turn the time back over to you.
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Let us know who your new NFL team is.
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Oh, here we go. It has been 5-6 weeks, right
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since we left the Dallas Cowboys.
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I've been a Dallas Cowboys fan for 32 years now.
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And so this was a, this is a big life decision, a big pivotal
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moment in my life, which is kind of weird to say because it's
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just a, it's just a football team to follow.
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But weekly. This effects my mood.
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This affects the decisions I make.
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This effects a lot of things in my life way more than you
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should. I know it sounds super sad, but
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that's just. For my children, everything.
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I mean, that's just fandom. And so after talking with
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family, friends, everything like that, I have decided, we have
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decided that the right move is staying with the Dallas Cowboys.
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No, I'm just kidding. You're.
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Kidding me? I'm just kidding.
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I was like no way. I was going to be.
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I was going to be so pissed. For a second.
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I helped myself getting there, but he took the thing off.
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We're going with the Los Angeles.
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We're taking the local team. As I mentioned last week,
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visibility is important to me and going to Los Angeles, being
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on the West Coast, is technically drivable.
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You can make a weekend out of it.
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There's other stuff to do in Lai Am.
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I'm excited watching the Rams game this week, this last week
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was really exciting and my wife was sleeping on my chest and I
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was trying my hardest not to wake her up.
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But like every time they would do anything like 2-2 hours was
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big and upset or big touchdown at the end.
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They're like, Oh my gosh, she said I'm trying to sleep.
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But yeah, but did you see this 80 something not touchdown you
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got this is? Our.
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Team, right? So yeah, that's that's where it
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is moving forward the Los Angeles Rams.
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All right. I knew it was an LA team.
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I knew it was an LA team. I I was.
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I knew it was the Rams. I knew it.
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I was going to pick the Chargers, honestly, but I knew
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it was one of those two. Who do you guys think my team
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is? I think it's the Bucks, but I
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also could see it being the bills.
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Yeah, I'm, I don't think it's the Bronco.
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I think it's one of those two. I think it's bears all.
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Right. Well, the team that I have
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decided to choose as my new favorite team is the Tampa Bay
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Buccaneers. I love it, I love it.
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No, here's here's the real hat. Here's the real hat.
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Nice. Yeah.
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So some of the factors that played in for me is Levi's
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favorite color is red. And so that was that was kind of
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a big factor is choosing a team with his favorite color.
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Also a logo that he likes. He really likes this logo.
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Actually, when I showed him this hat, he was like, dad, I really,
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really want one of those hats, dad.
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So I was like, OK, I want that hat.
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Maybe we'll get you one for Christmas.
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And so he really likes the logo. He really likes the color.
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The location doesn't really matter that much to me because
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I've never even been to a Dallas Cowboys game.
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So if I want to go see the Bucks play, I, I'll just go to Vegas
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'cause they're the closest team to me.
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Or I can go to, you know, maybe see a Rams and, and Bucks game
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or Chargers and Bucks game in LA 'cause they're pretty close to
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me as well. Also bonus, Megan's aunt lives
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in Tampa and so that gives us a reason to go there and, and
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visit. So that's just a bonus reason.
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Another factor is this isn't, was wasn't like a huge factor
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for me, but this does play a little bit of a factor is
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current players. I'm a big fan of Baker Mayfield
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and Bucky Irving and Emeka Ibuka, as you guys know.
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And you know, it doesn't really matter to me that they're not
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always going to be there because I've been through the cycle of
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players with the Cowboys for 25 years of, you know, Jason Witten
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and Dez Bryant and all those guys.
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So that plays a little bit of a factor.
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But it's not like a like a huge factor really.
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What I like about the Buccaneers, though, is they have
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a history of bringing in guys in free agency that can help them
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win. And so I'll just stick to
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quarterbacks here. So they brought in Tom Brady,
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help them win a Super Bowl. They brought in Brad Johnson,
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help them win a Super Bowl. They brought in Baker Mayfield.
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And you know, he hasn't won a Super Bowl, but he has kept them
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competitive after they lost Tom Brady to retirement.
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They also have a history of bringing in guys who have high
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character and are just guys that you want to root for.
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So like some current guys, you've got Mike Evans, you've
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got Emeki Ibuka, you've got Baker Mayfield, some older guys,
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there's like Ronde Barber, John Lynch, Derrick Brooks.
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So that's what I really like. There was one concern that I had
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and really the biggest concern is they don't have a very good
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history of drafting quarterbacks.
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They just, they haven't really drafted quarterbacks that well.
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The last first round quarterback they drafted was Jameis Winston
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and that didn't work out too well.
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But that's just what you get with quarterbacks.
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Sometimes they work out, sometimes they don't.
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But what outweighed that for me is the fact that they can bring
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in other guys like Brad Johnson and Tom Brady and Baker Mayfield
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in free agency to help them win. So I yeah, I'm picking the Tampa
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Bay Buccaneers as my new team. Called that one too.
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This is going to be the first time and in our, I mean in the
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last 25 years that you and I have rooted for different teams.
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Yep. It just looks strange, just I'm,
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I'm in the middle of my screen and I just see both of you
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wearing just two completely different hats and I would ever
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imagine you guys wearing. No, yeah, not Cowboys hats.
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Yeah, I know. Oh, it's like a parallel
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universe. I'm going to lie, it was
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strange. All right, Avery, it's your
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turn. Who was your first ever NFL?
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Team Avery, yeah, I didn't have. I had no prior team before this.
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I've always been a college guy, and I always will be a college
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guy first and foremost. But I was very excited for this
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When I heard that Joel and Will were renouncing their Cowboys
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fandom to pursue better, brighter endeavors.
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I was excited for them. And then they invited me to come
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along, and I said only if you guys are serious about it.
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And they said, oh, we're serious.
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So yeah, it's been fun because I have no real attachments here.
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I've been watching the NFL casually for about as long as
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you guys. May be a little bit less
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probably, but yeah, do you guys have a guess?
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And for everyone watching, it came down to, in alphabetical
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order, the Broncos, Bucks, Chargers, Falcons and Titans.
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Those were the teams that I landed on that were on the
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shortlist. I'm curious to hear if you guys
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have a guess. I have two guesses for two
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different reasons, but Joe, you go first.
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I don't know. There's so I can see it being
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any one of those teams. Honestly, I feel like it's I
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feel like it's the Falcons because I've had nightmares
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about you being a division rival to me.
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I I think it's going to be either the Broncos just to just
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to directly oppose Lincoln like like, like you love you love.
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I would. Do that.
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I would do that. You love Bonex, but Lincoln
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pretty much said, hey, we can move forever.
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He wants, but you guys can't be AMC West fans.
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And then in the Bone X Factor, Sean Payne, you talked a lot
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about them, how you like them or the Falcons because you talked a
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lot about how cool their logo is and the team is semi local to
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you. It's not as local as the Titans,
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and if the Titans were even a little bit good, I would
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consider them, but it's hard to be a fan of the team.
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This is why none of us that the first team off all of our list
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was the Browns. That's because they're
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perpetually bad. And so same with the Titans
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right now. They're just bad.
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And so I just can't see it. Yeah, the Titans did not make
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it. I I felt bad because The thing
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is this one, there's not a whole lot of Titans fans over here.
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You would think there would be. This is SEC country.
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This is pure college area. But yeah, I don't know.
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I just don't think I could abide like watching a few like number
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of wins that you can count on one hand type seasons.
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Like, I don't know if I want to just enter into that.
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But yeah, I did. I picked one of the other four
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teams. I thought a lot about this.
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Oh, you guys look so. Excited First, I'm so nervous I.
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Wanted to say that first of all, one thing that was important.
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I was very sneaky about how I talked about all this.
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I was trying to obfuscate, but one thing is I wanted to root
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for a color other than a blue and green Carolina Tar Heels and
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Oregon Ducks. I got enough of that gear.
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I need something a little bit different.
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The other thing I needed it to, I needed it to be at least semi
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close or at least far enough away from the West Coast.
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Yeah, and I like some of their players anyway.
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The team I chose is the Bull, yes.
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Let's go. It's awesome.
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So yeah, OK, so now Will, now Will leaves the same team as me
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and Avery joins me. Yeah, that's that's crazy.
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By the way, I do want to say that although I shared the same
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GIF in our group chat, Joel did ask like, hey, do you have your
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team yet? And I thought I was being so
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sneaky by throwing in this little GIF of Elmo going like, I
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don't know, I don't know. And he had red and orange.
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I'm like, watch this. He's going to be like, Dang, he
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didn't tell me. And then I'm going to be like,
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there were clues in there and within like a second, like
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before the GIF even fully sent, he's like, are you saying it's
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the box because of orange and red?
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And I'm like, damn it, dude. What the hell?
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It wasn't even like I said, I'm going to send a GIF with a clue,
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it was just a GIF anyway and then I just resend it.
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I'm like, Dang it, he's already on to me.
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But yeah, one thing is I think that I think they're they've
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been exciting for a bit. They do have a lot of players
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that I like. I love Bo Nicks, Troy Franklin
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on the the Broncos, but this team has Tez Johnson.
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I like him just as much. They got Bucky Irving, Mecca
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Buka, Mike Evans, Mayfield. They got some exciting players
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and I really like the pewter that like metallic, like bronze
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alloy kind of color on their helmets.
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I think it's a pretty sweet look.
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They got low ticket prices. That's always nice.
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I don't live super close, but that will be nice.
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The other thing was I don't know anybody that is a Bucs fan.
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That also played a factor for me too.
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I like, I've seen enough. I think Will's been frozen for a
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bit. Oh, there he is.
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I just had to speak him and back into existence.
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I asked a bunch of friends like who I should go with and there
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were a few people that just I mean, I was expecting to like,
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oh, give me like a good, you know, thoughtful answer.
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Just straight up said Buccaneers I.
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Was. Like I actually might just go
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with that. Had a buddy who the Raiders fan
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who said it probably just because it's the furthest away
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from the Raiders. But I will say that the person
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who pushed me over the edge because it was kind of between
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this team, the Broncos and the Titans, actually the Titans were
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the third choice. I thought Atlanta, I was just
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like, I don't know. Anyway, my cousin, not Gare
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Bear, who we had on, but Gavin, Gavin Webb, I asked him about
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this and that man, that boy, he's he's in high school.
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He's senior in high school. He's not a man or a boy.
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I don't that that Menace to Society sent me like 3
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paragraphs per team giving me like in depth like analysis on
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like what it would mean to like be that like fan and all this
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stuff. And I'm like, jeez, dude.
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And he's like a hardcore Seahawks fan too.
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But he just gave me like the rundown.
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And after I read it all, I'm like, dude, I think I might go
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with the Bucks. I was like, dude, I think you
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convinced me to go with the Bucks.
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Anyway, very excited. Watch the game.
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Of course, it's the first loss of the season, so that was super
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fun. Yeah, right.
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But it was at least it was to the Eagles and not, you know,
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the, you know, Dolphins or the Browns or something.
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So like. I was lost to the Eagles.
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That's great. Yeah, yeah, yeah.
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Yeah, but yeah, I mean, since since we're still on the topic
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of the Bucks, because Avery picked them as his favorite team
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too, I actually wanted to share one more thing that I did not
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share. So I'm going to share my screen
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here. And I just wanted to show you
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guys this video. So if you guys can't hear this,
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let me know, but this is a video of Baker Mayfield talking to
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Jason and Travis Kelsey on their show, and they're talking about
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how Baker Mayfield found a home in Tampa Bay.
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And so I'm just going to play this video for you guys real
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quick. What has it been about you and
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Tampa? I mean, you've you've played
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well at times everywhere you've been, but in Tampa it's really
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gone to that next level. What do you think has led to
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that? You know, I this isn't there
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shit on the other teams and franchises?
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No, man. You already know.
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You already know, but like the when you step in and your GM and
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your head coach say, hey, just be you, after I've been told at
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every stop and everywhere I go, hey, you need to tone it down a
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little bit. You need to be a franchise
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quarterback. Like, it's just not who I am.
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Yeah. Where are my emotions?
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On my sleeves? We've hung out.
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You guys know me. I'm going to talk shit.
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I'm going to do whatever. But when it's time to turn the
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lights on and go do something, I'm going to do it.
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So when I stepped into the building, they all told me to
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just be myself. And so it's been, not to say
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like comfortable, but it's felt like home since the beginning.
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And it's a quarterback that's been through a little bit of a
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journey. You can't ask for anything else.
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So let me unshare. So that was one of the the
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biggest factors that played in for me, because I said this on
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the last episode when talking about why I'm leaving the Dallas
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Cowboys is I feel like the Tampa Bay Buccaneers, the players that
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play there actually want to play for the Tampa Bay Buccaneers.
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And just just that video, like Baker Mayfield saying like
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everywhere else I've been, they're like, you have to be a
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franchise quarterback and then he comes to Tampa and they're
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just like, just be Baker Mayfield, just be you.
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And that's what I feel like they do with all their players.
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Like they don't. I mean, obviously there's always
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going to be pressure to win because you're in the NFL and
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and there's always going to be that pressure.
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But I just feel like that with an organization that can do that
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with its players, like that says something about the organization
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and the people that run it. So that was really important to
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me because you don't have a guy like Jerry Jones where he's
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calling people the wrong name. He doesn't even actually know
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who you are. He doesn't care if you're
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showing up to camp because eventually he'll give you your
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deal and he's going to pay you way more money than you actually
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should get. But it doesn't matter if you're
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not at training camp, though, but you know you'll eventually
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get paid. But you can just go do whatever
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you want for the what, however much time that is.
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And then just, you know, show up and just play the season because
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you're getting paid that much, but you don't actually really
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care that much about winning because you know you're not
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going to win. Like that's not the Tampa Bay
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Buccaneers at all. Like they care about their
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players. The players actually want to
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play there. And that was that was a really
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big factor for me. I won't show this on on the
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screen here, but another thing that I saw actually just today
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that confirmed this is there was a picture of Chris Godwin with a
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quote that said the Buccaneers always believed in me and that
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was that was that was another big like big just like
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confirming factor. Even though I already picked the
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bucks like that, that just told me like I'd pick the right team
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for me. So that was that was a big
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reason why I picked the Buccaneers.
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I. Want to hear more about Will's
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kind of process, about how it kind of got narrowed down?
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Sure. So as I've mentioned a couple
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times, my wife and I went through every team and through
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the, the logos, through the teams, through the players.
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And we started watching games like watching this team,
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watching that team. And she's the one that actually
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first said, I think I, I think I kind of like the Rams the most
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right now because I gave her the list of, of actually I didn't
21:32
give her my list. I, she knew we were going
21:34
through this process. I said, Hey, who are your top
21:36
teams? And and I didn't want to
21:38
influence her on on my people. I wanted to see what she had to
21:41
say and I can find it here. But I think she told me she
21:45
liked the Rams. The sorry me.
21:50
Just find it here. It's worth it's worth a second.
21:52
I believe I also have that text that you sent me.
21:56
You may actually. Oh, here it is.
21:59
So she said. Or this is what you told me, she
22:01
said. She said not in any order.
22:03
Bills, Rams, Patriots or Packers.
22:06
I can't decide. And then her next three were
22:08
Raiders, Bucks and Cowboys. Yep, I just had the same thing.
22:11
So I asked, I asked her that if she'd pick a top three at that
22:15
point. And this was back in September
22:17
17th. So we're sitting about half a
22:19
month ago now before the three of us even decided on a
22:22
deadline. There was no well, we had we had
22:25
the before next season, but there was no like imminent
22:28
decision right now kind of thing.
22:30
I mean, so she said Bills, Rams and then Patriots or Packers.
22:34
I'm not too big on the patriots just in general and the Packers.
22:39
I could like the Packers, but I I can't like the Packers.
22:42
That's really came down to bills a rant because both teams were
22:45
on my top top list as well, which she didn't later asked me
22:48
eventually, well, who were my top three?
22:50
And so we were talking about it and she had said, well, I, I
22:54
think I like the Rams, but I don't really have a good
22:56
explanation. She she likes the logo.
22:58
I like the logo, the colors, the stadium is really nice.
23:02
Big Matt Stafford fans. It just kind of all just kind of
23:06
fell into place. There was no no like immediate
23:11
This is why or this is this is the absolute stand out thing.
23:14
Separately, the the Bighorn Ram, my favorite animal.
23:19
I they I love them more than anything.
23:20
It's actually my my background on my computer is a Big Horn
23:23
ramp, which was not actually a factor in picking A-Team, but if
23:27
the shoe fits, might as well wear it.
23:28
So I should introduce you to the North Carolina Tar Heels.
23:34
And so, so I have been looking up Rams apparel for, oh, I don't
23:39
know, I think I sensed the first Amazon link Monday, September
23:45
22nd. So it's been it's been a full
23:47
week of sending just hey, what's up this like this?
23:50
I was like just different apparel and stuff like that.
23:53
And, and the Carolina Tar Heel and in CSU Rams and locally
23:59
there's a, a Catholic High School in Regis at Regis and
24:03
Staton and other Regis Rams. And so I'm getting a lot of like
24:06
overlap of like other Rams states that have to be very
24:10
specific, but I want I want you to Los Angeles Rams.
24:13
My real hang up. And this is I will get over
24:16
this, my real hang up with it as I hate California.
24:20
I hate California, but I will excuse the Rams.
24:25
I was reading their history and the Rams were there first and
24:28
then there was the Ray Los Angeles Raiders.
24:30
There was originally the Los Angeles Chargers and they were
24:33
they were getting overdone. So they moved out to San
24:36
Francisco or San Diego, and then the Raiders moved to Oakland.
24:39
And then they moved. They tried to move back.
24:41
And the Rams moved to Saint Louis and they had tried to move
24:43
back. It was a whole thing.
24:44
I had other notes. The history of it all is is very
24:47
interesting to me. So go Rams.
24:51
Yeah. Another part of this for me was
24:54
just the I like Lincoln's story. I mean, I've known about it
24:58
since, you know, we were kids, but basically just him playing
25:00
that game of Madden and just hitting random and then, you
25:03
know, playing with the team and vibing with it and being like,
25:06
this is going to be the team. Like I kind of like the element
25:09
of like, I don't have to choose like the Seahawks because that's
25:13
where I'm originally from. I don't have to choose the
25:16
Titans because that's where I live, you know, closest to now.
25:18
It's kind of like, I kind of like the idea of not being like
25:23
this is based on all the analysis the best team for me.
25:27
I kind of like the idea of just choosing and then being like,
25:30
that's it. Like that's it.
25:32
Like I'm I'm a fan now. Like watching the game this
25:35
Sunday was awesome. I was like, dude, this is like.
25:38
This is how we have the wife, Avery.
25:40
Yeah. Oh, there was one more factor I
25:44
already hate. Already have a burning hatred
25:47
for the 49ers and the Seahawks. So.
25:51
So I already hate the divisional rivals, so all good there.
25:54
Like I don't have to to learn that I already hate them.
26:01
Yeah, yeah, that's a good reason.
26:03
All right, well, I'm excited. So Will Avery and I will see you
26:07
in Week 12 on Sunday Night Football.
26:11
Yes. We do that, Rams.
26:13
That'll be big. That'll be big.
26:16
That could be for. Our our first rivalry game that.
26:20
Yeah, that'll be huge, Huge for the pod.
26:25
All right, cool. Well, now you guys all know our
26:28
NFL genders and so we will move on to our next segment here
26:32
because we got so we we went about half the show just talking
26:35
about our our new genders there so.
26:38
That means that we're going to be we're going to be wearing our
26:43
team gear to the Raiders Jags game, right?
26:47
Because I don't think anyone there will care.
26:49
Yeah, that won't be like going into a Philadelphia like an
26:51
Eagles game or anything. This will be like transplants
26:55
and vacationers, clearly. Yeah, let's do it.
26:59
I was going to wear my Amari Cooper jersey, but he's a Dallas
27:02
Cowboys Mari Cooper jersey, but Amari Cooper retire.
27:04
He's none of the writers anymore and I don't like the Cowboys, so
27:08
I'm not wearing that anyway. All right, cool.
27:13
So now we're going to get into our top three MVP rankings after
27:17
Week 4. It's about 1/4 way through the
27:19
season. It's not exactly 1/4 way 'cause
27:22
you know, there's 18 weeks, but it's pretty much a quarter way.
27:26
So Will, why don't you start us off on this one?
27:29
Who are your top three MVPS after?
27:32
Week 4 man, I really wanted to put somebody that wasn't a
27:36
quarterback in this list. I, I really wanted to, I, I, I
27:41
looked and I, I tried to so hard.
27:46
It just didn't happen. And beings that I'm wearing this
27:50
hat, I feel like I'm going to get some hatred here.
27:54
But first up, I do have Matthew Stafford.
27:57
He's got first, first up he's got, he's second in the league
28:02
in passing yards. He's got 8 touchdowns, 2
28:04
interceptions. He's got a one O 6.1 rating.
28:08
In the year he's only been sacked 8 times and that seems
28:11
like a lot but if you look at somebody like Drake May who is
28:16
not, I mean he has not had a bad season overall.
28:19
He's been sacked 13 times so and that's five more over four games
28:24
is significant. The thing that Matthew Stafford
28:27
doesn't have that matter to candidates, will, is he does
28:30
not, right, right. He's a, he's a pocket passer.
28:33
He's a classic kind of quarterback.
28:34
Another factor of me being drawn to the Rams, I'm a big classic
28:38
kind of kind of quarterback guy. I like, yeah, you're just
28:41
standing in the pocket and throwing football.
28:43
But I, I do like Stafford. I like what he's doing.
28:46
The Rams are putting it together.
28:48
Devonte Adams is feeding him well with that team, and it's
28:51
making Stafford shrine through even more.
28:52
I #2 Nah, he's going third. He's going third.
28:58
I don't like it, but he's going 3rd.
29:00
I'm going to go with, I guess, Batman.
29:08
See, this is I, I there's too many options because everyone is
29:12
mediocre. Everyone at the top is kind of
29:14
bunched up, and then there's just mediocre behind them.
29:17
Right? Yeah.
29:19
And So what matters more? Is it the passing and running?
29:22
Is it just the passing? Is it winning?
29:24
Right? Because Lamar Jackson 10
29:26
touchdowns, 1 interception this season, he's got 800 or not.
29:30
Yeah, 869 yards, but their team's one and three.
29:33
He's got 170 something rushing yards in a in a rushing
29:35
touchdown. I don't think he cracks the top
29:37
three because their team is losing and and Joe Burrow had a
29:41
great season last year, but their team sucked and he was
29:44
even considered. And so going back to the winning
29:46
teams, I've got Jordan Love up here.
29:49
I'm skipping over some guys that probably deserve it more.
29:51
Jordan Love has 1000 yards, 69% completion percentage, 8
29:55
touchdowns, 1 interception. And that touchdown interception
29:58
ratio is is rather important. He might even be over.
30:03
Matt Stafford is only 14 more yards there and Jordan Lovestrin
30:06
won last interception. But the problem is, is that when
30:09
the when the Packers look bad, they look really bad and they
30:14
look bad against the Browns this year.
30:16
So it doesn't pass the eye test near as much.
30:19
And 3rd, there's just too many like right here options.
30:24
I'm going to go with Jared Duff for number 3 here.
30:27
I think the Lions are having a great year.
30:29
He's only got 929 yards. I don't have his rushing yards
30:33
right in front of me. I don't think it's 0, but it's
30:36
not a lot. 9 touchdowns, 2 picks, 73% completely 73.8.
30:41
He's got some deep balls. He's got all their weapons.
30:43
That team looks good and it makes it makes Jared Goff look
30:46
good too. And and the MVP race, the eye
30:51
test matters a lot there. Notably, I did skip over Josh
30:55
Allen. I did skip over Daniel Jones,
30:58
Justin Herbert, well, these guys that probably deserve it more.
31:02
And chances are at the end of the year, it'll go to either
31:05
Lamar Jackson or Josh Allen, right?
31:07
Like that's just who is going to go to right now.
31:09
If Patrick Mahomes keep up, keeps up the way he's been
31:11
playing the last couple weeks. And it could go that way, but I,
31:14
I don't know. I, I like to do the guys right
31:16
now, their teams are playing well.
31:18
And so it's making the quarterback stand out even more.
31:22
Also, I wanted people's names in there that weren't Josh Allen.
31:25
The more Jackson and Patrick Mahomes are my top three.
31:30
That's too obvious. Let's mix it up a bit.
31:35
All right, Avery, you're next. Give us your top three MVP
31:38
rankings after Week 4. I got Josh Allen.
31:41
At #1 Yeah. Way to follow that up.
31:46
Here's the thing, the way I see it, the Bills are, I think as of
31:50
right now, they're the best team in the league and he's the best
31:53
player on that team. I'm sure that he could have a
31:55
little bit better stats maybe, but that's not how I see it.
31:58
I don't think they're playing to prove anything stat wise.
32:02
I think they're just trying to win games and I just think of
32:05
any team, any quarterback I would not want the Bucks to go
32:08
up against. And even though they just lost
32:10
the Eagle, I still wouldn't want him to go up against the Bills.
32:12
So I got to put Josh Allen up there just because I feel like
32:17
any other quarterback, like if you swap teams with people, or I
32:21
mean, I'll just go ahead and say real quick for my other guys are
32:25
because it kind of feeds into this, but I got Matthew Stafford
32:29
at 2 and Jordan Love at three. The big difference.
32:32
And I would even say that Josh Allen separates himself here.
32:36
And and that's not to say that, you know, the other guys are
32:39
putting up great stats and they're winning, but kind of
32:42
like Daniel Jones, who I'd probably have it like 4, maybe 5
32:45
here is that it's sought. It feels like such a delicate
32:50
situation, like Daniel Jones from before this season to now
32:56
just feels like, hey, don't touch anything on the team,
32:59
don't switch up any coaching. Like, let him cook because I'm
33:03
afraid if we change something, he'll default back to Giants
33:07
settings. And I feel like a lot of the
33:09
quarterbacks are kind of in that situation.
33:12
I think Matthew Stafford is kind of is a great, great system
33:16
quarterback. I think that he played great at
33:18
Lions, but like was too dependent on the rest of that
33:21
team to function to even be like, dude's been in the league
33:25
so long. He was drafted with Mark
33:28
Sanchez, Percy Harvin, BJ Rodney from the Packers, who retired
33:35
about a decade ago. Nah, it was, yeah, a decade ago.
33:40
It's 2015, dude. This guy's been in the league so
33:43
long. And The thing is, is it's really
33:46
just you make sure he has the right personnel around him and
33:49
then he just won't make mistakes.
33:50
But he's not a guy that's going to like, I mean, maybe he can,
33:53
but he hasn't been known in his career to be a guy that's like
33:57
putting the team on his back. He's just been a like kind of
34:00
like Joe Burrow. He's like he's getting all these
34:02
stats. His team's not winning.
34:04
But like we're not blaming him. But also he's not willing the
34:08
team to a bunch of victories. And I feel like that's what Josh
34:11
Allen has. If any team could redraft and
34:16
they had the first take, I feel like Josh Allen's the 1st to go.
34:19
I feel like he's the biggest difference maker and I know that
34:21
I was talking with Joel before Will got on about like what the
34:24
criteria would be for this. Is it like, are we just talking
34:27
like first four weeks, if that was the whole season, who wins
34:29
the award? Or is it based on like what it
34:32
looks like moving forward? But I feel like until there's,
34:36
you know, I guess a clear defining line in the stats or
34:39
the win column, I feel like Josh Allen is just that guy right now
34:43
all. Right, Yeah, I also have Josh
34:47
Allen at 1:00 and you know, Avery mentioned about his stats.
34:50
So just some stats that really show like why he should be #1 is
34:55
he's completing 70.2% of his passes right now, which would be
34:59
a career high if he sustains that throughout the season.
35:02
Also that what would be a career high is his passage rating,
35:05
which is one O 9.7 right now. If he maintains that or it goes
35:10
higher, that is a career high for Josh Allen.
35:11
So he's actually playing some of the best football that he's ever
35:15
played in his career right now. And he's on pace to rush for 675
35:19
rushing yards and 13 rushing touchdowns.
35:21
And his team has not lost. So that's why I have him at #1
35:25
at #2 I also have Matthew Stafford actually.
35:28
And, you know, I kind of struggled with #2 to be honest,
35:32
because I feel like there's a lot of guys that you could put
35:33
in there. And I did look at when Matthew
35:37
Stafford or what he ranked in the MVP voting when Cooper Cup
35:41
had his monster season because Puka Nakua is having a monster
35:46
season right now. He's on pace to get over 2000
35:49
receiving yards so far. And so I feel like the reason
35:52
that Stafford is not at #1 for me is because of Puka Nakua.
35:56
Because I feel like that you people could make the argument
35:59
like, oh, well, the reason Matt Stafford is so good is because
36:01
he just throws the ball to Puka Nukua 20,000 * a game.
36:05
And so that's why I didn't put him at 1:00.
36:06
But I do think he's having a really, really good start to the
36:09
season. And so that's why I put him at
36:11
two at 3. I get to make my first Homer
36:15
pick with Baker Mayfield at #3 And the reason that I put Baker
36:21
Mayfield at #3 is because without Baker Mayfield, I don't
36:26
think that there's any chance that the Buccaneers would be 3
36:29
in one. In every single game.
36:31
Baker Mayfield has been put in bad situations by parts of his
36:35
team, special teams. I am talking to you.
36:37
He has been been put in bad situations by his special team
36:42
specifically and he has had to dig them out of that hole.
36:45
He led the first three games. He led a game-winning drive to
36:48
win the game and then in the game against the Eagles, they
36:52
were down 24 to 3 at one point and Baker Mayfield brought that
36:57
team together and brought them back into that game to bring
37:00
them within one score. They had a legit chance to
37:03
actually win that game. They didn't win, but they had a
37:07
chance to actually win the game after being down 24 to 3:00
37:10
because of Baker Mayfield. And so I don't feel like there's
37:14
any other quarterback right now that you could say that about in
37:17
the league where he is the reason that they are three and
37:20
one, 100%. He is the reason that they are
37:23
three and one. And you know his his stats don't
37:26
even look that good, which is part of the reason why I have
37:28
him at 3 is because he has only completed 59.7% of his passes.
37:32
He's not on pace to throw for 4000 yards and his passive
37:36
rating is only good for 16th in the league right now.
37:38
But if it wasn't for Baker Mayfield, the Buccaneers are
37:43
nowhere near 3 in one. And so that's why I put him at
37:45
3, So I've got Josh Allen, Matthew Stafford and Baker
37:49
Mayfield. I love Rams legend Baker
37:52
Mayfield. He's great.
37:54
It's a good picture. Hey, hey.
37:56
We have that connection. Yeah, we do have that connection
37:59
there. Well, like, you're welcome for
38:00
prepping them for you guys. All right, all right, I'm just
38:07
going to say real quick and then we'll move on to our last topic.
38:10
I do have a dark horse pick for MVP and it is Patriots
38:14
quarterback Drake May. So I like that Will brought it
38:17
up and the reason he's a dark horse is because the Patriots
38:21
are two and two right now. And if the Patriots can just
38:24
make the play offs, they don't have to be good.
38:26
Like they don't even have to be like the best team if they just
38:29
make the play offs. Drake May, his statistics will
38:32
put him somewhere in the conversation.
38:35
I don't think he would win it because you know, you still got
38:38
guys like Josh Allen who are up there, but he's on pace to throw
38:41
for 4200 passing yards, 30 touchdowns.
38:44
He has the highest completion percentage in the league right
38:47
now with 74%. He has the 5th best passer
38:50
rating and he's on track to rush for a little over 400 yards and
38:55
8 to 9 rushing touchdowns. So I feel like if he maintains
38:59
the stats that he has right now throughout the season and the
39:02
Patriots make the play offs, it would give him at least a chance
39:07
to get a vote for MVP. That's why he's a dark horse.
39:11
I like it. Going off what you said about
39:14
Baker real quick, did you showcases the value that and
39:19
this is really completely separate truly, but going off
39:22
what you said about Baker with the the bucks this year goes to
39:25
show the true value of Joe Burrow to the Bengals right
39:30
without without Joe Burrow and that team that that Bengals team
39:35
is truly the worst in the NFL garbage.
39:38
They are so bad. They shouldn't be It's like the
39:41
Steelers defense. It should be better.
39:43
They're paying all that money, but it's just OK.
39:47
This Bengals team isn't even OK. They're paying their offense a
39:50
lot of money. But if you lose one guy who all
39:54
he's doing is putting literally everything he has, including his
39:56
toe on the line for you guys. And it's just, it just goes to
40:01
show the value of these guys. It's wild that like what he's
40:06
doing right now has just like proven his worth to the team,
40:10
but he can't even leverage it because he already has.
40:13
He can't get paid anymore if he wants his team to get any
40:15
better. So it's kind of like I'm already
40:18
like, I'm already capped out and now like, we still need a better
40:22
team. Yikes.
40:25
As much as it kind of sucks to say, I think also that Prescott
40:29
gets some honorable mention here because it started very bad and
40:33
most games it starts very bad. But even yesterday, and we've
40:36
got it in fantasy and so we see it.
40:39
I I saw a headline and I rolled my eyes, but it because it the
40:42
game ended in a tie, but it was Dak Prescott finally unleashed
40:46
for the season. I said, OK, but you didn't even
40:48
win. OK, you didn't lose.
40:49
Sure we didn't win. And so if he continues the way
40:53
he played yesterday, the second-half of of Sunday's game,
40:59
he could have a fair chance. I don't think that team's going
41:03
to win very many games this year.
41:04
So that would kind of kick him out like Lamar Jackson.
41:07
But he has a a shot if he keeps playing the way he finished that
41:10
game. That's why I didn't put him in,
41:13
because I don't think the Cowboys are going to win very
41:15
many games because their defense is just terrible and Dak
41:18
Prescott's going to have to play at that level every single game
41:21
in order to tie. In order to tie, right?
41:24
Not even win, just tie. Like Joe Burrow did last year,
41:27
had to play Lights Out and he's still lost anyway.
41:31
Right, right, all right. So this conversation kind of
41:35
leads into our last topic. And this topic was it came to my
41:39
mind based off of a Instagram post from Fun Football Podcast.
41:43
So shout out to Fun Football Podcast for the inspiration.
41:46
He raised the question and he's a Packers fan, so he raised the
41:48
question, is Jordan Love a franchise quarterback?
41:52
And so this got me thinking about the question.
41:54
Well, what is a franchise quarterback?
41:56
Because I feel like based off of that question about Jordan Love,
41:59
you could say that he is or he isn't, depending on how you view
42:04
what a franchise quarterback is. And so we're just going to talk
42:07
about what is actually a franchise quarterback.
42:10
And so to start this off, I'm not going to tell you guys the
42:12
names of these players, but I have three players that I, I
42:16
looked at their careers and their how long they've been in
42:18
the NFL, their win percentage, their playoff percentage, how
42:21
many times they've made the playoffs, all that stuff.
42:23
And I'm just going to read it to you guys and you may be able to
42:25
figure out who it is just based off of me reading it.
42:28
But I'm going to read these stats and I want you guys to
42:30
tell me just based off the stats alone, is this a franchise
42:34
quarterback or is it not a franchise quarterback?
42:36
The first one. This is his 10th year in the
42:38
league. He has a 61% win percentage in
42:41
the regular season. He has made the play offs five
42:44
times. He is 2 and five in the play
42:47
offs and he has been second in MVP voting.
42:51
Is that a franchise quarterback or not a franchise quarterback?
42:53
I know who this is. If you know it, just you can say
42:56
it. Arguably, you should have won
42:57
MVP that year. This is Dak Beschbach, Yeah.
43:00
It is, yeah, that Prescott. I feel like the answer is yes,
43:03
because a true franchise quarterback, in my opinion, is
43:09
good enough to get a team there but shouldn't have to do
43:13
everything by themselves because it takes a full team to win.
43:17
And it has been proven half of his career a little over 'cause
43:22
I think this is his tent here. Yeah.
43:24
And so if he's been in the playoffs, yes.
43:25
If he's been in the playoffs five times in nine years, it's
43:28
it's a little over 50% of the time he's made in the playoffs.
43:31
And two wins, some of it is definitely on him.
43:34
But having seen all of those playoff games, every single one
43:38
of them, he's not out there playing defense.
43:40
He's not the one that can't stop the run, all right?
43:44
He's not the one on the Aaron Jones run for 250 yards on the
43:48
the Dallas defense. So.
43:50
So I would say yes, yeah. No joke.
43:55
All right, cool, so the next one.
43:57
This player has also been in the league for 10 years, so this is
44:00
his 10th season. He has a 60.8% win percentage.
44:04
He has also made the playoffs five times.
44:06
He has five and five in the playoffs.
44:09
He did not win, but he has played in a super.
44:11
Bowl. I know who this is too.
44:15
Who is it? Jared Goff.
44:17
It is Jared Goff. I'm good at this game, Avery.
44:21
You take this one. You got him, I would say.
44:24
Yeah, I I like the point that Will brought up, which is that,
44:29
you know, it's not just the quarterback that wins these
44:32
games. You know you can only will it so
44:34
much I mean. I feel like.
44:40
I feel like Baker could have willed it out if that punter had
44:45
done his job, You know, the first drive, right?
44:47
Just. And so there's things like that
44:49
where it's like, OK, we all saw this game and we all not, you
44:54
know, I'm not talking about any particular game, but, you know,
44:56
if you guys lose, if you lose a game, you know, everyone who's
44:59
watching it, like kind of knows what the factors were.
45:03
However, Fast forward five years, it's the quarterback's
45:07
fault. You know, it's like, how many
45:09
games have you won? And so I feel like on one hand,
45:14
I feel like stability and consistency are probably like
45:17
some of the biggest markers of a franchise quarterback.
45:20
I almost feel like it's kind of like, hey, look, you know, like
45:23
with Dak or with Jared Goff, it's like, look, we have these
45:26
two guys here that are more than capable of doing the job.
45:31
Can we please get some adequate players at these other
45:34
physicians to allow them to do that job?
45:36
Because right now we're either putting too much expectations on
45:39
them or asking them to do too much to the point where it's
45:42
getting a little sloppy. It's not as methodical, it's not
45:45
as well-rounded. And so I feel like it's it's I
45:48
kind of see it almost as a placeholder.
45:50
It's like, oh, sweet, you guys have your, you know, your
45:53
franchise quarterback. It's too bad you don't have the
45:56
right pieces to win a Super Bowl.
45:58
What a total waste. You know, because I, I, I do
46:01
feel like having a solid quarterback is kind of like, you
46:03
know what, the Cowboy situation, you don't having that
46:05
generational pass rusher where it's like, look, you don't just
46:08
pick one of these up in free agency casually.
46:11
Like, we got this now let's go out and put together this team.
46:14
And I feel like the bringing it background to the Bucks, I feel
46:18
like that's what they'll do is they'll like find guys that's
46:20
like, look, we can rather than being having this stringent kind
46:23
of culture that we're trying to, you know, make everyone be a
46:26
certain thing. It's like, hey, look, we drafted
46:28
you, we picked you up. We know what you're about.
46:30
We did our homework. We want you to be you.
46:33
You know, we want you to be professional at the games.
46:35
We come in here and win. We want you to win.
46:38
But for the most part, rounding up, getting all the way back to
46:41
what we're we're talking about, I feel like that consistency and
46:45
that ability to perform is probably just the most important
46:48
thing. I feel like a guy like Matt
46:50
Stafford sticking around the league as long as he has, like,
46:53
I think he could be a franchise quarterback.
46:55
And I feel like you've seen it like as soon as you put him on a
46:59
team that has the other pieces, he comes alive.
47:02
And then I feel like when Goff got traded over to the Lions and
47:05
they basically swapped in, you know, they kind of had a bit of
47:07
a culture shift, you know, what their new coach and everything,
47:10
and it kind of like brought everything back to life.
47:12
But really just consistency. All right, so the third one.
47:17
So this player has been in the league for five years, so this
47:21
is his fifth season. He has a 54% win percentage.
47:25
He has made the playoffs twice and he is 1 and two in the
47:29
playoffs. This Jordan Love, who is this?
47:34
It is Jordan love. Oh.
47:36
Shoot, technically, technically he has made the playoffs three
47:39
times, but I didn't want to give it away by saying, oh, he was
47:41
the starter for the first, you know, couple.
47:44
Years. Yeah, Yeah.
47:46
So, but it is Jordan Love. I would say, I would say he is.
47:51
I was not high on him even when we started this podcast, but
47:55
just seeing the his production, maybe he is.
47:58
And then it kind of brings me back to what I was talking about
48:01
before. It's like maybe the Packers just
48:02
had that team ready where you you put in any quarterback,
48:06
because I feel like there's teams where like you could
48:08
probably put in Chador and he wouldn't be half bad.
48:11
You know, if if if you if you bring in a guy that like is
48:14
properly protected, has time to pass, has playmakers, has a run
48:19
game, has a defense that doesn't put pressure on the offense.
48:22
These guys are all professional quarterbacks.
48:24
I feel like a lot of times it's like it is kind of a delicate
48:28
situation, like I was saying with Daniel Jones, where it's
48:31
like maybe it is just the right situation.
48:33
You know, a quarterback, you know, you're constantly under
48:35
pressure in the pocket. Maybe there's a few little
48:38
changes that need to happen for the quarterback just to like
48:41
calm down a bit. And then that kind of what is it
48:44
that avalanche kind of what's the the balls rolling snowball
48:48
effect where it's like, OK, I'm a little more comfortable.
48:51
I complete a few more passes, gets us a few more first downs,
48:54
few more scores, were a little bit more comfortable, gives us a
48:56
few more wins. And so a lot of time I've, I
49:00
just feel like, yeah, maybe it's even like Baker's like I just
49:02
didn't feel like I was home. I didn't feel like they really
49:05
like I was allowed to be me. And that probably hindered him
49:09
enough, you know, to not do as well as he could have done,
49:12
right. Yeah.
49:13
Anyways, I'm rambling. All right, well, I have I
49:17
actually have three more names if you guys want me to keep
49:19
going. I have three more names here
49:20
that we could talk about, but I also want to make sure that you
49:23
guys get your your stuff in. It's like if you guys have
49:25
something to say, feel free, but I have three more names if you
49:29
guys want me to do them. I want.
49:32
To OK, OK. So this next one, this player is
49:36
in their fourth season. He has a 63% win percentage.
49:41
He has made the playoffs twice. He has a four and two record in
49:44
the playoffs. He has not won, but he has
49:46
played in the Super Bowl. I'm dealer party.
49:49
That's not pretty, right? It is Brock pretty.
49:52
Oh, shoot. Dang, so a lot of guessing on
49:56
these. I don't know these.
49:58
I wanted to put him on there because Will specifically does
50:01
not like Brock Purdy and so I feel like Will should answer
50:05
this one. So the question is, is Brock
50:10
Purdy a franchise quarterback, right?
50:13
Yes, yes. And would you have said yes?
50:17
Would you have said yes? If you say no, would you have
50:19
said yes based off of just those statistics without knowing his
50:23
name? I would probably say yes, right,
50:27
Because if you're, if you're good enough to get to the
50:29
playoffs, what, twice, Three times?
50:32
Twice. Twice in a Super Bowl?
50:34
Once. Yeah.
50:35
So two times in four years. Is this his fourth year?
50:39
This is his. 4th so so two times in three years because this one
50:42
doesn't count. Right.
50:43
Yeah, yeah. Yeah, so two times in three
50:45
years and won the Super Bowl appearance is that is the dream.
50:49
You draft a guy at any spot you get in in his three full
50:54
seasons, you get to the Super Bowl ones in the playoffs twice.
50:57
That's like the dream. I don't think he's very good,
51:01
but in the Kyle Shanahan offense, he doesn't have to be.
51:04
It's a lot of short passes, short dump outs.
51:06
They've got well, had a tight end that could make the play.
51:09
They've they've got for now at least a running back that can
51:12
make the play. And so the short stuff is his
51:15
game. But like Avery said, I feel like
51:18
anybody can kind of do that, I feel like.
51:21
What about Trey Lance? I mean, they, I, I feel like he
51:26
had a bad deal. He had a bad shake.
51:27
All right. They, they traded the house for
51:29
him and they didn't even want to start him.
51:31
Now I also think that they, they traded the house to get him when
51:35
he played like 8 total games in his college career, which is
51:39
wild to me. That's a Kyrie Irving stat.
51:41
That Kyrie Irving was actually good.
51:43
So there's a basketball reference.
51:44
Second one actually 2 basketball references.
51:47
I remember that and I, and as someone who, I'm sorry this is
51:50
an aside, but it's Duke. As someone who watched most of
51:53
his games until he got hurt and he got drafted #1 I still
51:58
thought that was totally worth it.
51:59
I was like, this guy was freaking magic.
52:02
And I did I, I was not looking forward to Carolina playing him.
52:05
So when he went #1 and that got brought up, he hasn't played
52:08
many games. I'm like Yikes dude, this guy's
52:10
going to tear it off anyway. Same thing with Trey.
52:14
Lanzo didn't play a lot in college didn't go to AD one
52:17
school and then he went what third second, something like
52:21
that. I I I think Trey Lynch had a bad
52:23
deal and Brock party kind of stepped in and is is giving it
52:27
to Tom Brady mantra. I don't need to be the best.
52:31
I need to be the best available and you'd be the best on the
52:34
team that can put us in a spot to win.
52:38
Now, they did just lose their first game of the season and
52:40
they're going to lose their second one on Thursday.
52:42
But still, when when they when they make Brock party, make the
52:46
plays, he doesn't seem to do well.
52:49
You did Jimmy Garoppolo, you did well.
52:52
If I can't remember all these recent Niners quarterbacks?
52:56
Kaepernick. Yeah, Kaepernick.
52:58
Well, actually, we didn't need to talk.
52:59
About that guy. Yeah, he was a bit different, so
53:04
I I don't think. Still waiting on that try out.
53:08
I would not call him a franchise quarterback.
53:12
I would. I would actually call him like a
53:14
Geno Smith type. He's currently a stop gap until
53:17
somebody better comes along. Because let me tell you, if they
53:20
had the option, if the right, if the Niners had the option to
53:24
trade for a Jared Goff or even a Matt Stafford, give him a couple
53:30
years of like actual really good weaponized quarterback play.
53:36
I mean, you heard it over the offseason.
53:38
Oh, let's get Aaron Rodgers. Let's bring Rodgers in here, OK?
53:41
But you got Brock Purdy and he said he was your guy.
53:44
And so there there's always that there's a going to be somebody
53:48
better. You don't hear the Packers
53:49
talking about what if we had Rogers back?
53:51
What if we got Brady in retirement?
53:53
What if we got Manning? Well, I'm just not Manning now.
53:55
But but you get the sentiment. Well, not him either.
54:01
Anymore. So, so I, I don't, I don't think
54:04
he's a franchise quarterback. I, I, I think that he is good
54:08
enough. Obviously, if you can get to the
54:10
Super Bowl, you're good enough. But if the team is talking
54:12
about, hey, who's, excuse me? If the team is talking about who
54:18
what free agents are available and bring somebody in, then
54:21
you're not their actual franchise guy.
54:25
OK, Yeah, alright. So I'm interested to see what
54:28
you guys have to say about these last two.
54:31
So this player is in his third season.
54:36
He has won 55.5% of his games he has made.
54:39
What season? His third season, third, he has
54:44
made the play offs twice and he has two and two in the play
54:46
offs. So he has made the play offs
54:50
both years he's been in the league.
54:52
Oh, is this is this CJ Stroud? It is CJ Stroud.
54:57
Dude, we're questioning. It's a free.
54:59
You guys are doing a lot of money, I thought.
55:02
I feel like either you know it or I know it, but neither.
55:05
It's never both. Oh my God, you got.
55:08
I'm like I have no idea. Dude, we are doing.
55:10
I like to. Say, what's his freaking, what's
55:12
his name? Clemson quarterback.
55:16
But I was like, now he's. Been in once.
55:18
Every once, yeah. So in his first two years, he
55:22
made the playoffs both times, Yes.
55:25
And now he's in his third season and.
55:28
He won a playoff. Game and won a playoff game both
55:31
times. I think it's too early to tell.
55:33
Yeah, because he had a great rookie year and then and in a
55:36
down sophomore year and I I feel like is.
55:42
This his. 3rd year yeah, this so so he's got this year and one
55:46
more year guaranteed, right? His working contractor usually
55:49
four year guarantees, right? Plus his fifth year option if
55:53
they choose to. CJ Stroud feet pics.
56:00
Oh, sorry, that was all that. They're good ones.
56:02
He's got good ones. He's got to make money somehow
56:05
while he's on his rookie deal. Come on.
56:07
Yeah, it's too early, man. Yeah, $36 million fully
56:10
guaranteed. You have to make money somehow.
56:15
Yeah, 4 full, 4 fully guaranteed years.
56:18
Yeah, I think it's too early itself.
56:20
I I think that we won't know until the end of this season.
56:24
Actually, I don't think it takes 4 full years to know, but I
56:27
think it takes 3 full years to know and I'm starting real
56:30
quick. If some of these quarterbacks
56:32
were put on the Browns, would that still make them a franchise
56:36
quarterback? Or does the organization, if
56:39
it's too toxic or something, have a way of reversing that?
56:43
Meaning how much of it is on the quarterback if we had Jared Goff
56:49
right right now? But that, that's what I'm saying
56:51
is like, until he leaves and then goes to another team for
56:56
three years now we're like, oh, OK, this guy got it.
57:01
Daniel Jones. OK, So like, I wonder.
57:04
Yeah, well, I would even say Stafford.
57:06
I mean, yeah, they didn't win a lot of games, but he was, he was
57:09
like the Dak Prescott of the 2000s, like putting up solid
57:14
fantasy numbers and not winning. Yeah, like being very quiet.
57:19
But I I I wonder how much of that comes down to the
57:22
organization, because I would even say for CJ Stroud, he's on
57:25
the Texans. And like, yeah, you did pretty
57:28
well your rookie season. So did Dak Prescott and Zeke,
57:31
you know, it's like, Kay, that was your freshman year.
57:34
We'll see how you do your sophomore year.
57:35
He had a little bit of a slump and it wasn't terrible.
57:38
It wasn't great, but now it's like, I mean, this season, I
57:41
guess we'll see where it takes it.
57:42
But I I just wonder how many guys are stuck behind the pay
57:46
wall? How many guys are stuck on a
57:48
team that is actively holding them back to the point where
57:52
it's like, dude, if he didn't, if Mayfield didn't go to the
57:55
Bucks and went to some other team as a backup do we would
57:59
just have never known he would have been a bust right next to
58:02
Johnny Manziel except for the, you know, attitude and
58:06
compulsion. But like I don't.
58:07
Know if I just. Want her.
58:11
I mean, no, he's he's still got more time.
58:13
There's no way he just wasn't going to play again.
58:15
But I mean, it's real easy to accidentally fall into a
58:19
situation where it's like, Oh yeah, we thought we were going
58:22
to have you play, but actually we have this other quarterback
58:24
playing and then the next season they just don't pick you up.
58:27
And then you get forgotten about.
58:28
You get picked up later as an afterthought by another team.
58:31
And it just has a way of just seeing, you know, these like,
58:34
like middle of the, I would say less than middle of the road
58:36
quarterbacks just kind of falling out of these Drew Lock
58:39
type players. Like you don't even know what he
58:40
looks like, but he's there. You know, he exists.
58:43
You know, he's on the roster, but you don't remember where he
58:45
played in college. You remember when he was
58:46
drafted, where he's been like, oh, it's this guy that's like
58:49
here, TJ Yates. I'm just thinking like gay.
58:53
It's real easy to slip into that category.
58:55
And I just wonder if that's easy for other teams to to pick out
58:59
and point out when a an organization is holding the
59:03
quarterback more than the quarterback himself.
59:06
See, and just to keep talking about Baker here, his four years
59:11
in Cleveland, he threw for 14,000 yards, 92 touchdowns, 56
59:16
picks. That's really good.
59:19
Over 4 years, that's a what per season is 3 or 3500 yards per
59:24
season, 23 touchdowns, 14 picks. He had 29 and 30 records.
59:29
So I, I think as much as the organization can make the
59:33
quarterback, sometimes your franchise guys are going to
59:38
persevere through. And that's why Baker was able to
59:40
keep getting opportunity after opportunity after opportunity.
59:43
That's why I mean, you look at some of these other guys who
59:45
were at the Browns for any amount of time, I think like
59:48
that's where their career goes to die.
59:51
I mean, look at the All Star, Brandon Whedon.
59:53
OK, he didn't go anywhere after the Browns.
59:55
He was also 45, but still, that's not the point.
59:59
So I, I just, I, I think that as much as you get to blame the
1:00:04
organization, you also don't get to because a good player is
1:00:08
doing a shine to look at Christian McCaffrey.
1:00:10
That Panthers team has been bad, but Christian McCaffrey was
1:00:13
great. Look at Luke Kuechly on the same
1:00:15
Panthers team. That defense was bad.
1:00:18
But yet you were afraid to go up against Luke Keakley
1:00:21
specifically. He was playing for all 11
1:00:23
players, and it can be said that way by every organization.
1:00:26
So even when Dallas was bad in the Jason Garrett years, you
1:00:31
still knew that Tony Romo and Dez Bryant were going to go for
1:00:35
250 yards a game at any given point.
1:00:39
So it was just one of those things that that the franchise
1:00:43
players, not just quarterbacks players are going to shine
1:00:46
through. Now, it has not been the case so
1:00:48
far this year with the Bengals. I would, I would truly expect
1:00:52
Jamar Chase's production to maintain because if you're the
1:00:56
true one then and you're the true franchise player and, and,
1:01:00
and Jamar Chase is that guy, I would expect more production out
1:01:03
of him. But but that's not the case.
1:01:06
And so I don't know, I, I digress so far, I'm talking
1:01:09
about the Browns, Bengals and Red Panthers at this point, and
1:01:13
nobody wants to talk about them. All right, next quarterback.
1:01:16
All right, so this is our last one and then we'll wrap up.
1:01:19
So this quarterback is in his sixth year in the league.
1:01:22
He has a 59% win percentage. He has made the playoffs one
1:01:26
time and he has not won a playoff game.
1:01:30
Yeah, Trevor. It is not.
1:01:33
Trevor Oh bro. No, no, what the hell?
1:01:36
He's been this 1-6 years, one playoff appearance, no wins.
1:01:42
I can give you a hint if you want.
1:01:44
No. It's Baker.
1:01:48
No, it's not, Baker. Is it Herbert?
1:01:52
It is not Oh. OK, I don't know, you may hint.
1:01:56
It is Tua. That's a great hint, Joel.
1:01:58
That is a great hint. That's a great one.
1:02:02
Is it tua? Yeah, it is, Tua.
1:02:07
I actually wasn't really listening when you said give me
1:02:08
a hint and I just thought you said just tell us.
1:02:11
So yeah. I don't listen either.
1:02:14
It's fine. I don't blame me at all.
1:02:17
So if I was to have given you a hint, the hint would have been
1:02:21
he's actually his team has made the playoffs twice, but he was
1:02:24
not available for one of those playoff games which I feel like
1:02:28
would have given it away so. Not to me.
1:02:34
So do you guys think Tua is a franchise quarterback or no?
1:02:36
So I think Tua is a special case because he's left-handed and he
1:02:39
sucks. Those two are not separate.
1:02:41
Those two are together. So no, no, I, I think his
1:02:46
injuries keep him from that category.
1:02:49
He's not, he's not available. And you'll see you, you'll hear
1:02:52
the old time we coaches say the best ability is availability.
1:02:57
And if you're not available to to be there for your team
1:03:00
because of injury or what, what not or too many, too many
1:03:03
concussions, you're just you're you can't be a franchise.
1:03:07
Yeah, you're always hurt. So how would a borough fit into
1:03:12
this? What would be the difference as
1:03:15
on one hand is one of them just a bad line and the other one is
1:03:19
a guy that's more injury prone? Or is it just what they've been
1:03:23
able to do despite the injuries, that gives you at least a
1:03:26
glimmer of hope of what they could do if they didn't have it?
1:03:30
I think you hit it right there. I think you're right.
1:03:32
Is that that what you're able to do while you're on the field?
1:03:35
Because the even looking at this year and the short four games
1:03:39
we've had of of two this year, they we'll call it 3 1/2 games.
1:03:44
They have an All Star offense, but they just can't seem to do
1:03:48
anything. And so you put, I mean, you put
1:03:51
Burrow or any other of these, these, if you put Josh Allen on
1:03:54
that bank or the Dolphins team right now, that team is going to
1:03:58
be like Tyrick Hill is running go routes every single play and
1:04:03
Josh Allen's throwing 90 yard touchdown bombs just every
1:04:06
single time. So I don't know.
1:04:08
It's it's a bit shocking with the same coach, same quarterback
1:04:12
in a system for so long that it's not working, which
1:04:16
somebody's got to be the problem.
1:04:20
Yeah. All right.
1:04:21
So we'll, we'll wrap it up with this.
1:04:24
Avery, what is after all that conversation, what is a
1:04:27
franchise quarterback? Franchise quarterback is someone
1:04:32
consistent and dependable that you can rely on to deliver.
1:04:35
I wouldn't say they have to be anything supernatural, just
1:04:38
solid and dependable and someone that the coaches and teammates
1:04:43
can trust all. Right, I agree.
1:04:47
All right, so that's all we have time for on today's episode.
1:04:50
Next week, I don't know what we're talking about, so stay
1:04:53
tuned for something. I don't know, but we'll figure
1:04:55
it out and we'll be back next week.
1:04:58
And as always, don't forget to keep your balls played with.
1:05:01
We'll see you next time. Bang out y'all.
1:05:04
Go Bucks. Also, Mark Davis's haircut still
1:05:06
sucks.