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Episode 32: Fantastic Beasts and How They're Made · Revelio: A Wizarding World Podcast

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  Speaker 1: Hello, and welcome to episode thirty two of Revellio for
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  Speaker 1: November thirteenth, twenty twenty five.
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  Speaker 2: I'm Amy, I'm Nicole.
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  Speaker 3: And I'm Tom.
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  Speaker 4: It was silent.
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  Speaker 3: I was going to wait to see if ever it
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  Speaker 3: was like brought up like a conversation starter. Yeah.
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  Speaker 5: I just knew it was going to happen because we've
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  Speaker 5: just been chatting for so long before, So I just
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  Speaker 5: knew that it was going to be like cool and not.
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  Speaker 5: What do we say?
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  Speaker 4: Well, I mean Tom's back, look back time.
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  Speaker 5: The Golden Trio's back together, which we all always excited
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  Speaker 5: to have the Golden Trail back together. So yeah, yeah, yeah,
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  Speaker 5: we're happy to have you back.
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  Speaker 4: We're having.
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  Speaker 3: Okay, so in today's episode, we're going to be discussing
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  Speaker 3: special effects in the Fantastic Beat films. But first.
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  Speaker 4: You're listening to w W in the Wizarding Wireless Network.
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  Speaker 2: Now for the latest headlines.
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  Speaker 3: Okay, so this week we don't have much on the
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  Speaker 3: news front, but we do have a couple pieces of information,
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  Speaker 3: uh and news. So, as most of you already probably know,
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  Speaker 3: Wizards of Baking Season two is finally out, hosted by
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  Speaker 3: James and Oliver Phelps. The competition brings eight teams of
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  Speaker 3: bakers together to create magical desserts inspired by the Wizarding World.
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  Speaker 3: So judges Carla Hall and Joseph Yusef, sorry if I'm
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  Speaker 3: mispronouncing it also return, and of course it wouldn't be
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  Speaker 3: a Harry Potter show without special guests, so we got
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  Speaker 3: Warwick Davis, action Azad again, sorry if I'm mispronouncing, and
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  Speaker 3: Devin Murray as special guests. I imagine there will be
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  Speaker 3: a couple more surprises as well, and yeah this year,
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  Speaker 3: this season, the teams come from a mix of locations
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  Speaker 3: and they have like diverse backgrounds, so you have, for example,
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  Speaker 3: some of the teams include Alex Madrigal and Jenny Chambers
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  Speaker 3: from Mexico and UK respectively, Andy Ortega and Stephen Rose
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  Speaker 3: from the US and UK, Angel Feodora and Rui Mota
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  Speaker 3: from the US and Portugal. So you can see it's
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  Speaker 3: kind of diverse, and it's really interesting because I feel
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  Speaker 3: like these coming from different nationalities they will bring like
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  Speaker 3: new flavors literally into the show. So yeah, that's that's
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  Speaker 3: kind of cool and uh, for those of you who
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  Speaker 3: have seen the show as a twist this season, after
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  Speaker 3: the initial house swoording, one of the early challenges, gives
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  Speaker 3: the winning team a choice to either gain an advantage
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  Speaker 3: in a future round or impost a disadvantage on another team.
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  Speaker 3: So this is kind of like again, it's it's a
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  Speaker 3: little kind of like a sneaky but very clever move.
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  Speaker 3: I think it's kind of like going to uh make
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  Speaker 3: the competition the competition a little more feisty.
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  Speaker 2: Strategy. You've got to have strategy.
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  Speaker 3: But I don't know, I don't know if i'd be
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  Speaker 3: able to impost a disadvantage on someone else, you know,
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  Speaker 3: like I would yeah, well yes, not that by the way,
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  Speaker 3: just yeah, but yeah, it's it's really interesting. I think
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  Speaker 3: it will tell a lot about which houses they belong
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  Speaker 3: to as well. So the first episode premiered on Sunday,
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  Speaker 3: November two on the Food Network at eight pm ETMPT time,
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  Speaker 3: and we'll stream on HBO Max the following day, and
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  Speaker 3: the remaining five episodes of this latest season again will
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  Speaker 3: also air weekly during the same time slot. So yeah,
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  Speaker 3: I'm not sure if you guys have already seen episode one.
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  Speaker 3: I still have and I have to catch up with
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  Speaker 3: this show. But what I've seen and you know, what
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  Speaker 3: they come up with is so crazy. It just gaves
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  Speaker 3: how creative people can get and the you know, the
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  Speaker 3: skills as well, because not anybody can do it.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, I haven't been able to start the season yet
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  Speaker 1: as a recording, but I'm hoping to watch it this weekend.
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  Speaker 1: The trailers look really cool, so definitely looking forward to it.
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  Speaker 1: Loved last season, so yeah.
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  Speaker 5: Yeah, I've not watched it yet either because I just
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  Speaker 5: was traveling a lot this week and so there was
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  Speaker 5: just a lot going on this week, so didn't you know,
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  Speaker 5: the whole premiere completely escape me.
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  Speaker 4: But I'm also hoping to watch it this weekend.
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  Speaker 5: And yeah, excited to see though that some I mean,
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  Speaker 5: of course we would knew. We knew that like Warwick
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  Speaker 5: and stuff would be back because he's just so active
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  Speaker 5: in the fandom still, but it's exciting to see some
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  Speaker 5: of the other actors and actresses come back that typically
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  Speaker 5: we don't see.
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  Speaker 4: I did get to meet Devin Murray like over.
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  Speaker 5: A decade ago at a comic convention. I don't remember.
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  Speaker 5: It was when I was living in England, so it
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  Speaker 5: was someone of those film and comic cons in the UK,
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  Speaker 5: and he was super nice. But it's just yeah, it's
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  Speaker 5: exciting to see some of the other like actor and
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  Speaker 5: actresses come back, because you know, we just get used
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  Speaker 5: to seeing Warwick.
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  Speaker 4: And Tom and Havana and.
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  Speaker 5: Yeah and Bonnie and so it's yea cool to see
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  Speaker 5: some of the others come back. I hope we get
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  Speaker 5: to see some more that you typically get to see.
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  Speaker 3: So yeah, for sure.
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  Speaker 5: Yeah, our next episode, I'll be able to give my
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  Speaker 5: first thoughts on this season and the teams because I
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  Speaker 5: definitely will have yes, got caught up by the next
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  Speaker 5: time we record.
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  Speaker 3: Yeah, looking forward. So yeah, on to the next piece
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  Speaker 3: of news. The long awaited Harry Potter full cast audiobooks
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  Speaker 3: have finally arrived on Audible. So the first installment, Harry
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  Speaker 3: Potter and sorcers Stone, debuted on November fourth, and it
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  Speaker 3: features over two hundred voice actors and a cinematic lounge
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  Speaker 3: soundscape that completely reimagines the listening experience. So each book
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  Speaker 3: will roll out monthly through May twenty twenty six, so
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  Speaker 3: fans can look forward to tons of new content in
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  Speaker 3: the next coming months and lots of more audio immersion
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  Speaker 3: coming up too.
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  Speaker 4: So, yeah, episode. We've talked about this a lot, especially me.
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  Speaker 5: I know I've talked about this a lot, and it's
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  Speaker 5: finally and I know our last episode, I mentioned that
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  Speaker 5: there was like a like sneak peek listening party kind
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  Speaker 5: of thing that you could do the night before, and
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  Speaker 5: I registered for it, but then again, because of my
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  Speaker 5: traveling this week, I completely missed it and I've not
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  Speaker 5: listened to anything yet. Amy and I are planning to
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  Speaker 5: listen to it on our drive to and from New
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  Speaker 5: York City and a couple of weeks from when we
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  Speaker 5: go to see Tom and Curse Child so.
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  Speaker 3: Full certainly by the way like Harry Potter all the way.
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  Speaker 5: Through, yeah, so not so because of that trip, we
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  Speaker 5: are having to record our next episode like a week
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  Speaker 5: earlier than we normally would, so Amy and I will
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  Speaker 5: be able to kind of give our thoughts on the
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  Speaker 5: first book on not the next episode, but the episode
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  Speaker 5: after that. And I think I looked at it. I
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  Speaker 5: think the timing of that the audio book should be
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  Speaker 5: like enough time for us to get through the whole
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  Speaker 5: thing between our drive down and our drive up. So yeah,
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  Speaker 5: more to come on our thoughts on it, But so
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  Speaker 5: far I've seen I'm like initial like m reviews, and
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  Speaker 5: it seems to be like everybody's really enjoying it.
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  Speaker 2: So yeah, have you started listening, Tom, No, not yet.
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  Speaker 3: I haven't bought it yet, so yeah, I'm I need
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  Speaker 3: to find some time. Time. They say is the most
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  Speaker 3: valuable asset, and that's something I don't currently have much of.
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  Speaker 3: But yeah, hopefully, hopefully this holiday season I can get,
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  Speaker 3: you know, a cup of hot cocoa and just trying
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  Speaker 3: to chill and listen to one of those audiobooks, just
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  Speaker 3: cranking them up and seeing what you know, with my
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  Speaker 3: headphones on and just trying to immerse myself.
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  Speaker 1: I'm looking forward to just sitting like in the midst
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  Speaker 1: of all my Christmas decorations and just listening to like
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  Speaker 1: the Christmas Chapter and Sorcerer's Stone.
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  Speaker 5: I was just checking my Audible account and I have
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  Speaker 5: new credit so I can go in and purchase the
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  Speaker 5: pre order Goblet of Fire.
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  Speaker 4: Now I've got I.
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  Speaker 5: Had the first three pre ordered with my monthly credits,
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  Speaker 5: so I'll need to remember to go and do that.
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  Speaker 5: And I guess I'm just going to keep my subscription
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  Speaker 5: for now because that way I can get each pre
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  Speaker 5: order each of the books.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, now you have to, Now you're stuck.
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  Speaker 4: Now I have to.
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  Speaker 5: I think I've mentioned this before, but I definitely recommend
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  Speaker 5: looking out because like Audible, like I actually am somebody
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  Speaker 5: who I've gone on and off my Audible subscription, like
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  Speaker 5: I've had it for a bit, and then I cancel it.
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  Speaker 5: I almost always rejoin Audible when they're running a promotion
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  Speaker 5: where it's like three months for ninety nine cents each
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  Speaker 5: or something like that. So I definitely recommend if you
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  Speaker 5: want to listen to these, just being on the lookout
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  Speaker 5: for when Audible does those promotions, because like three months
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  Speaker 5: for ninety nine cents, Like, that's really great you're getting
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  Speaker 5: you know, each month you get a credit and I
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  Speaker 5: know you use that credit. It is it is, and
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  Speaker 5: so tip as soon as my three months of that
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  Speaker 5: is up, I like cancel. And the good thing with
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  Speaker 5: Audible is that when you cancel or you pause your subscription,
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  Speaker 5: all of the books that you purchase, like with your credits,
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  Speaker 5: or you can also buy books at full price too,
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  Speaker 5: Like you don't have to wait for a credit any
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  Speaker 5: of those books that you got, even if you cancel
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  Speaker 5: your subscription, those all are still yours and they still
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  Speaker 5: live in your life. Well, you have the license to them,
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  Speaker 5: like like all digital media, but they don't. You don't
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  Speaker 5: lose them. And anything that you've traded credits for, you
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  Speaker 5: don't lose that just because you canceled your subscription. So
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  Speaker 5: it's not like those other like you're not streaming, you're
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  Speaker 5: actually like purchasing something.
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  Speaker 4: So yeah, definitely just be on.
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  Speaker 5: The lookout for those those audible deals if you're looking
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  Speaker 5: to join so that you can listen to to these audiobooks.
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  Speaker 3: Yeah, one day we might have audible sponsoring us.
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  Speaker 5: Who knows, that would be great audible if you're listening
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  Speaker 5: or this ends up. And I mean last week, Tom.
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  Speaker 4: You missed it.
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  Speaker 5: We put out a plug for Pair Eyewear because I
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  Speaker 5: wear glasses from pair Iewear and today I've got my
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  Speaker 5: little Slytherin top frames on again and it's like interchangeable
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  Speaker 5: top frames.
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  Speaker 4: And they have a whole Harry Potter line.
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  Speaker 5: Yep, whole Harry Potter line, and so I put out
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  Speaker 5: a little plug about them last week and I'm like
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  Speaker 5: maybe one day.
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  Speaker 3: Yeah, you never know who's listening.
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  Speaker 2: YEA, our inbox is still open, so.
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  Speaker 4: It is always open. Pair Audible like clearly fans.
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  Speaker 3: Yes, So moving on to our last bit of news.
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  Speaker 3: So this is a smaller piece, but it's always exciting
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  Speaker 3: because it's Mina Lima related, So just in time for
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  Speaker 3: the holiday season and also with a perfect nod to
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  Speaker 3: those with a sweet tooth. Mina Lima the design too
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  Speaker 3: behind the graphic work of the Harry Potter films. They
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  Speaker 3: have launched a seasonal festive collection themed on honey Dukes.
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  Speaker 3: So this collection includes six pieces, among them birdie bots,
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  Speaker 3: every flavored beans, paper garland, hanging honey Dukes inspired ornaments,
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  Speaker 3: an art print, a three D note card, a puzzle,
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  Speaker 3: and notably, their first ever advent calendar. So this is exciting.
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  Speaker 3: I don't do advent calendars, but I've seen there are
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  Speaker 3: a ton of these, especially when it's Harry Potter related.
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  Speaker 3: So it's super cool that Mina Lima is doing their
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  Speaker 3: own their own, giving it their own twist to it.
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  Speaker 3: And this calendar is a highlight. And behind each door
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  Speaker 3: lies a decorative items inspired by the honey Duke sweet
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  Speaker 3: shop aesthetic, plus a behind the scenes filmmaking fact from
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  Speaker 3: Mina Lima's designers, Mirafomar Mina and Eduardo Lima. And the
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  Speaker 3: new collection became available worldwide star starting October seventh, twenty
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  Speaker 3: five and you can get it online or at any
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  Speaker 3: of the Mina Lima boutique shops.
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  Speaker 4: I was just on their website looking at it.
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  Speaker 2: This puzzle intrigues me. I love a good puzzle, and
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  Speaker 2: it's in like a cute little ten.
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  Speaker 4: Little the Wondrous Wizarding Sweet job.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, I'm gonna have to look for that when we
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  Speaker 2: go to Harry Potter, New York.
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  Speaker 3: Yeah, they know how to lure people in with the designs,
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  Speaker 3: like everything is just well thought and so perfectly put together,
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  Speaker 3: and it's you know, it's beautiful from the packaging, you know,
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  Speaker 3: all the way to the small little details.
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  Speaker 5: Uh.
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  Speaker 3: They know their craft off course their graphic designers, but yeah,
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  Speaker 3: I think they always find a way to reinvent themselves
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  Speaker 3: and just bring something new to the table. So it's exciting.
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  Speaker 3: I haven't done an admin calendar since I was a kid,
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  Speaker 3: since my dad ate up the last chocolate that was
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  Speaker 3: left for the twenty fifth I was traumatized. I have
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  Speaker 3: Admin calendar PTSD by the way, so I haven't gotten run.
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  Speaker 3: But this year I'm super tempted that. Yeah, the supermarkets
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  Speaker 3: are you know, there's so many We don't get that
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  Speaker 3: in Latin America. So here it's like so mundane, like
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  Speaker 3: it's so everybody you know buy these things. So I'm
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  Speaker 3: very tempted to do it this year, so maybe I'll
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  Speaker 3: buy myself one of the Mina Lima ones.
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  Speaker 5: This one's cool, I mean, because it looks like it's
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  Speaker 5: you're essentially getting hanging decorations.
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  Speaker 4: Between all twenty four, which is really cool.
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  Speaker 5: And there's been some I love a good advent calendar
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  Speaker 5: and I have I always get a chocolate one, but
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  Speaker 5: I did get one a couple of years ago that
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  Speaker 5: was a Harry Potter themed one, and honestly, like it
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  Speaker 5: was really nice.
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  Speaker 4: Or maybe the one I'm thinking.
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  Speaker 5: About was a Star Wars one that was like a book,
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  Speaker 5: but I swear I had a Harry Potter one at
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  Speaker 5: one point too. But it's kind of like sometimes it's
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  Speaker 5: just like a bunch of stuff that you're like cool.
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  Speaker 5: There's like nothing that I like, I'm never going to
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  Speaker 5: do anything with this. It's kind of I don't want
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  Speaker 5: to say it's like junk, but it's like stuff that
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  Speaker 5: you're like, great, I don't know, I have all this stuff,
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  Speaker 5: what am I going to do with it? But I
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  Speaker 5: think that this one looks really cool because Essentially you're
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  Speaker 5: getting twenty four potential like ornaments that you could hang
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  Speaker 5: on a tree.
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  Speaker 4: And of course they're mean a Lima designs, so h
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  Speaker 4: they're go jes.
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  Speaker 3: Yeah.
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  Speaker 4: Yeah, the shipping's kind of a little pissy for.
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  Speaker 1: Here, but but they might have all this stuff, like
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  Speaker 1: I said at Harry Potter New York and the course,
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  Speaker 1: I'm sure they do.
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  Speaker 3: Yeah, we'll see.
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  Speaker 4: We'll find out in a couple of weeks and report awesome.
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  Speaker 3: Yeah and yeah, that's all we have for the news
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  Speaker 3: this week.
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  Speaker 1: All right, so for today's main discussion, we are talking
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  Speaker 1: about special effects in the Fantastic Beast films. So back
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  Speaker 1: in episode eleven, we did this discuss focused on the
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  Speaker 1: Harry Potter films special effects, and we've been talking about
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  Speaker 1: we wanted to do this discussion for Fantastic Beasts as
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  Speaker 1: well because that was really fun to talk through.
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  Speaker 2: So yay, today's day.
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  Speaker 5: I feel like we haven't talked about Fantastic Beasts enough
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  Speaker 5: or like in a very long time. We did. We
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  Speaker 5: did like our credence episode, right, and that's really about it.
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  Speaker 5: So it's exciting too.
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  Speaker 2: We need to do some of the characters for character
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  Speaker 2: deep dives for sure, yep.
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  Speaker 5: Yeah.
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  Speaker 2: So the visual.
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  Speaker 1: Effects for the Fantastic Beast films were supervised by Christian
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  Speaker 1: Mans who also worked in visual effects on Harry Potter three,
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  Speaker 1: four and seven, and Tim Burke, who worked on Harry
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  Speaker 1: Potter two, three, four, five, six, seven and.
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  Speaker 2: Eight everything except for one.
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  Speaker 1: So it looks like Burke did the first two Fantastic
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  Speaker 1: Beasts films and Man's did all three. Okay, So a
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  Speaker 1: lot of special effects studios were involved in the Fantastic
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  Speaker 1: Beast series as well, so it looks like for very
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  Speaker 1: specific effects they went to very specific places, which makes sense.
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  Speaker 1: If somebody specialized in something, then you know that's who
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  Speaker 1: you're gonna get. So some of the big ones that
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  Speaker 1: they had work on this were Frame Store, MPC, Double Negative,
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  Speaker 1: Rodeo Effects, Santa Site, Image Engine Method Studios, Milk Visual Effects,
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  Speaker 1: and the Third Floor. So if you're somebody like me
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  Speaker 1: who sits and watches the credits of a lot of films.
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  Speaker 1: Some of those names might look familiar because I feel
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  Speaker 1: like you see these names quite a bit in credits.
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  Speaker 5: So h yeah.
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  Speaker 1: So I found a really good interview with the BBC
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  Speaker 1: from twenty twenty where Christian Man's talks a little bit
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  Speaker 1: about his time working on the Fantastic Beast films, and
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  Speaker 1: at the time of the interview he was working on
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  Speaker 1: the third film, but he reflected back on that really
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  Speaker 1: pivotal suitcase scene in the first film, which I think
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  Speaker 1: when anyone thinks special effects in Fantastic Beasts, that's probably
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  Speaker 1: the first place your mind goes, because that's just a
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  Speaker 1: gorgeous sequence inside Newts case. So we have this quote
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  Speaker 1: from Christian Man's where he says, quote on the Fantastic
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  Speaker 1: Beasts films, I worked closely with production designer Stuart Craig
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  Speaker 1: and concept artist Dermatt Power to work out how to
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  Speaker 1: bring Newts commanders magical suitcase to life. Newt has to
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  Speaker 1: be able to walk downstairs into the suitcase and enter
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  Speaker 1: a magical world concealed within, so there was a lot
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  Speaker 1: to figure out about how to make that a reality,
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  Speaker 1: and they nailed it.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, even.
• 19:12
  Speaker 1: Not just the suitcase, but even like Newts basement workshop
• 19:17
  Speaker 1: area under his apartment, the same sort of thing, Like
• 19:21
  Speaker 1: it's very the craftsmanship is yeah, it's stunning, Like it's
• 19:27
  Speaker 1: so hard to tell where the visual effects end in
• 19:31
  Speaker 1: the real sets pick up and that's when you know
• 19:34
  Speaker 1: you've really done.
• 19:36
  Speaker 2: It right because it just looks so good.
• 19:42
  Speaker 1: So obviously, when we're talking special effects in Fantastic Beasts,
• 19:48
  Speaker 1: there's tons of magical creatures, right.
• 19:50
  Speaker 5: So.
• 19:53
  Speaker 1: That's where quite a bit of the special effects comes
• 19:55
  Speaker 1: into play with these films. They were obviously quite a
• 20:00
  Speaker 1: bit cgi, but the actors performances were assisted by having
• 20:06
  Speaker 1: creature puppeteers on set during filming to quote unquote act
• 20:10
  Speaker 1: as the creatures. I don't remember if I mentioned this
• 20:15
  Speaker 1: on our previous episode, but the puppeteer, Robin Guiver, he
• 20:22
  Speaker 1: worked on the Fantastic Beast films. I feel like I
• 20:25
  Speaker 1: talked about this before on this podcast, but I don't.
• 20:27
  Speaker 1: I don't remember when. But basically what this his team
• 20:33
  Speaker 1: did was they had to stand in as some of
• 20:37
  Speaker 1: these creatures and like copy what their movements would look
• 20:41
  Speaker 1: like on set and move around, so the actors had
• 20:44
  Speaker 1: that site line and that interaction things where like creatures
• 20:51
  Speaker 1: are actually like picking up objects and moving them, they
• 20:53
  Speaker 1: would need to do that.
• 20:55
  Speaker 2: They would also make like puppet.
• 20:58
  Speaker 1: Stand ins for the career creatures, so things like the
• 21:02
  Speaker 1: Niffler they would use like a sack of flower and
• 21:05
  Speaker 1: drag it around the set.
• 21:07
  Speaker 3: Yeah, yeah, we did talk about this, because when you
• 21:09
  Speaker 3: mentioned the sack of flower, was like, yes, we did
• 21:12
  Speaker 3: mention it.
• 21:13
  Speaker 1: So that's kind of what they did, and I think
• 21:16
  Speaker 1: it really shows in the performance of the actors as well,
• 21:20
  Speaker 1: like you can tell that they're reacting to something that's
• 21:24
  Speaker 1: there on set with them, So it definitely worked.
• 21:29
  Speaker 2: Creatures like the zaw Wu and the.
• 21:31
  Speaker 1: Aurumpan were partially built, kind of like the Basilisk, and
• 21:35
  Speaker 1: Harry Potter was partially built right so that you had
• 21:39
  Speaker 1: at least like the front and half of the body
• 21:43
  Speaker 1: on set so you could visualize it and interact with
• 21:46
  Speaker 1: it and then fill in the rest with CGI. So
• 21:53
  Speaker 1: if you're interested in more about the puppeteers back in
• 21:59
  Speaker 1: my time was speak Beastie and and I did a
• 22:02
  Speaker 1: really fun interview with Robin Guiver and he went super
• 22:06
  Speaker 1: in depth, so it's really interesting. He worked on the
• 22:10
  Speaker 1: first two fantastic Beast films, and if you're looking at
• 22:16
  Speaker 1: speak BC, that is episode.
• 22:17
  Speaker 2: One hundred and fifty five.
• 22:21
  Speaker 1: So that kind of brings us to our first sort
• 22:24
  Speaker 1: of like discussion point here and speaking of the creatures,
• 22:29
  Speaker 1: which creatures do we feel like looked the most realistic
• 22:33
  Speaker 1: in these films?
• 22:37
  Speaker 5: I will say this is actually a really interesting question
• 22:39
  Speaker 5: because I have seen like a lot of like a
• 22:42
  Speaker 5: lot of like discourse around the Fantastic Beast films, or
• 22:47
  Speaker 5: critiques that I've seen around the Fantastic Beast films, or
• 22:52
  Speaker 5: negative negativity actually has surfaced around the CGI and the
• 22:58
  Speaker 5: visual effects of the Cree and how the creatures look.
• 23:01
  Speaker 5: So I think it's very interesting that we're starting with
• 23:04
  Speaker 5: talking about like what did we think looked the most
• 23:06
  Speaker 5: real because I know there is a lot of discourse
• 23:09
  Speaker 5: ab out there about people saying that the creatures look
• 23:12
  Speaker 5: too fake or.
• 23:13
  Speaker 4: Look too cartoony or like video gamey.
• 23:16
  Speaker 1: There's definitely some that do, Like I know, I noted
• 23:19
  Speaker 1: down the Augrey, Like to me, it just looks like
• 23:21
  Speaker 1: a cartoon.
• 23:22
  Speaker 4: Bird, right, I think it looks too fake.
• 23:26
  Speaker 2: But there's a lot that are really really good too.
• 23:30
  Speaker 5: Yeah, Like I know, like like when I saw this question,
• 23:34
  Speaker 5: like the Demi Guys is one that kind of came
• 23:36
  Speaker 5: right out to me. What's funny though, is I actually
• 23:39
  Speaker 5: want to go back and rewatch now now that I've
• 23:43
  Speaker 5: seen a Demi guys in person, because like like when
• 23:50
  Speaker 5: we went to Epic Universe, there's two times where you
• 23:55
  Speaker 5: kind of like really get to see, you know, a
• 23:58
  Speaker 5: Demi guys.
• 23:58
  Speaker 4: So there's a costumed Demi guys in the.
• 24:03
  Speaker 5: Show, the Circus Show, and that's as much as I'll
• 24:06
  Speaker 5: say on that without giving out any spoilers. But then
• 24:09
  Speaker 5: there's also and I think we have that that video
• 24:11
  Speaker 5: on our social media somewhere, but of the spell that
• 24:15
  Speaker 5: you can do that you know it's it's actually it's
• 24:18
  Speaker 5: the Ravellio spell that then you see the Demi Guys
• 24:22
  Speaker 5: and obviously then you're looking at a animatronic right of
• 24:27
  Speaker 5: the Demi guys, so it looks even I mean, it
• 24:30
  Speaker 5: looks even better to me because it's an animatronic. So'm
• 24:33
  Speaker 5: I haven't gone back and watched the films since then,
• 24:36
  Speaker 5: so I almost wonder if my feelings will change and
• 24:40
  Speaker 5: I'll be like, Okay, now that I've seen like a
• 24:41
  Speaker 5: Demi guys quote unquote in person, does it now look
• 24:44
  Speaker 5: faker to me on in the screen, right, But I
• 24:47
  Speaker 5: do think that they did a pretty good job with
• 24:51
  Speaker 5: the DEMI guys.
• 24:54
  Speaker 1: I feel like the one that stands out to me
• 24:56
  Speaker 1: is the thunderbird. I feel like it looks very real
• 25:02
  Speaker 1: and that and this may be because it's kind of
• 25:05
  Speaker 1: close to animals we have in real life, and like
• 25:10
  Speaker 1: the way it looks.
• 25:11
  Speaker 2: Like an egle, so it doesn't look like super out there.
• 25:14
  Speaker 4: Because it's a bird, like I think.
• 25:17
  Speaker 5: I mean, obviously the Augury is also kind of bird
• 25:19
  Speaker 5: like too, and so it's very interesting to compare how
• 25:22
  Speaker 5: I think how great Frank looks compared to like how
• 25:25
  Speaker 5: not great the Augury looks. But I think that in
• 25:29
  Speaker 5: other mediums as well, when you have birds that kind
• 25:32
  Speaker 5: of look like Frank or in that realm of being
• 25:34
  Speaker 5: ego like or I mean, he looks nothing like a dinosaur,
• 25:39
  Speaker 5: but like I or not dinosaur a dragon, but like
• 25:42
  Speaker 5: I'm thinking that same kind of big winged creature. Like
• 25:45
  Speaker 5: I do think that across mediums and across films, like
• 25:49
  Speaker 5: those types of creatures actually do translate pretty well in
• 25:53
  Speaker 5: a CGI landscape.
• 25:55
  Speaker 3: Yeah, yeah, I also kind of like reminiscence of like
• 26:00
  Speaker 3: buck Bak, Like when you see the thunderbird, there is
• 26:03
  Speaker 3: this sort of like little nod to that creature, to
• 26:06
  Speaker 3: the hippogriff. And I also think like maybe they did
• 26:10
  Speaker 3: have a good backbone already because they had experience rendering
• 26:13
  Speaker 3: that sort of type of feathered creature, so they knew
• 26:16
  Speaker 3: where to kind of like build up upon that and
• 26:18
  Speaker 3: just take it to the next level and make it
• 26:20
  Speaker 3: look even more realistic. So yeah, I think that one's
• 26:24
  Speaker 3: pretty good. It's pretty up there. And speaking of beasts,
• 26:29
  Speaker 3: I also really I mean, I don't know if it's
• 26:31
  Speaker 3: a favorite, because you guys have really good and strong
• 26:36
  Speaker 3: already like options, but I like, actually like the mooncalf.
• 26:40
  Speaker 3: I think it's not just super cute, and it does
• 26:43
  Speaker 3: look it does kind of look a little like of course,
• 26:46
  Speaker 3: it doesn't belong in the you know, it belongs to
• 26:49
  Speaker 3: the magical realm, but it's you know, so that's what
• 26:52
  Speaker 3: makes it not too realistic as opposed to maybe the thunderbird.
• 26:56
  Speaker 3: But I think for a creature that's kind of like,
• 26:59
  Speaker 3: you know, more in the I don't know, like magical,
• 27:06
  Speaker 3: you know, like there's no iteration where you could think, oh,
• 27:09
  Speaker 3: this is like this creature in the real in real life.
• 27:12
  Speaker 3: I think they did a pretty good job just capturing
• 27:15
  Speaker 3: that and making it look quote unquote real. And either
• 27:20
  Speaker 3: that or it's just because they're so cute that you
• 27:22
  Speaker 3: can't you know, you can't think anything else, you know,
• 27:26
  Speaker 3: I know, And so if that is conveyed, then that
• 27:29
  Speaker 3: means they've done a very good job, because that's not
• 27:31
  Speaker 3: always easy to make. But something I do want to
• 27:34
  Speaker 3: point out is, I know you're going to mention this,
• 27:37
  Speaker 3: uh Nicole, but the you know, Pickett and Teddy the Niffler,
• 27:42
  Speaker 3: I think those two are seamless, like they're done so
• 27:46
  Speaker 3: well just because of the fact that Nute interacts with
• 27:48
  Speaker 3: them so much throughout the three films, and they have
• 27:51
  Speaker 3: such personality too, and they have yes and qualities, and
• 27:54
  Speaker 3: you know, you can tell when they are mad or
• 27:56
  Speaker 3: when they are you know, kind of like up to something,
• 27:59
  Speaker 3: and it's it's so good. It's so they they they
• 28:03
  Speaker 3: you know, they really, I mean, it's why they are
• 28:06
  Speaker 3: probably the most popular ones in revenue merch and and
• 28:11
  Speaker 3: people love them so much. And yeah, I think I
• 28:13
  Speaker 3: think that's the way they are rendered is seamless. And
• 28:17
  Speaker 3: you know, even when I think about when you kind
• 28:20
  Speaker 3: of like tickles his belly just to you know, to yeah,
• 28:24
  Speaker 3: to like, of all of the coins in the bank,
• 28:27
  Speaker 3: that one is so good.
• 28:28
  Speaker 1: And that whole thing seeing is just it's excellent. Yes,
• 28:33
  Speaker 1: yeah in the jewelry store.
• 28:35
  Speaker 3: Yeah, yeah, you can see it on his face. It's like, oops,
• 28:40
  Speaker 3: he caught me. You know, It's it's really good. Like
• 28:42
  Speaker 3: I love those creatures. It's not just loving, it's how
• 28:45
  Speaker 3: they were brought to life. And yeah, I think it's
• 28:48
  Speaker 3: they did an amazing job with those even they're smaller
• 28:51
  Speaker 3: creatures because they're not so you know, they're not majestic
• 28:53
  Speaker 3: by enemies. But yeah, sometimes you know, you have to
• 28:57
  Speaker 3: it's a lot of effort you have to put into
• 28:58
  Speaker 3: something so small and just make it look real and
• 29:02
  Speaker 3: make it, you know, look like something. When mute, it's
• 29:05
  Speaker 3: kind of like you think he's giving away picket and
• 29:08
  Speaker 3: in the first film you're like no, it's like no, no, no,
• 29:11
  Speaker 3: and you know you kind of like feel so bad
• 29:13
  Speaker 3: and you love the you know, and you become super
• 29:16
  Speaker 3: attached to these creatures, and I think it all comes
• 29:19
  Speaker 3: down to how good they are. You know, they are
• 29:23
  Speaker 3: designed and rendered and into this final product that we see.
• 29:27
  Speaker 1: One detail that I really really love, speaking of the
• 29:30
  Speaker 1: Kniffler in that Jewelry scene, the moment where the Kniffler's
• 29:34
  Speaker 1: like paused with like the necklaces hanging off his arm
• 29:40
  Speaker 1: and like he's trying to be like still as a statue, right.
• 29:43
  Speaker 3: Because he's caught.
• 29:45
  Speaker 1: The way they were able to capture like the shallow
• 29:49
  Speaker 1: breathing of a small creature. Right, because when you watch
• 29:54
  Speaker 1: like a hamster or like a mouse or something, right,
• 29:59
  Speaker 1: if they're like sitting still.
• 30:02
  Speaker 2: They've got that like little like breath that's going.
• 30:05
  Speaker 1: And the Niffler has that in that moment, and I
• 30:08
  Speaker 1: love it so much because he's like, do you like
• 30:12
  Speaker 1: see it?
• 30:14
  Speaker 2: It's so good?
• 30:15
  Speaker 5: Yes, Yes. When I think with CGI, and actually I'm
• 30:20
  Speaker 5: gonna i'll mention this as well in a little bit
• 30:23
  Speaker 5: with another creature, I think is that one thing that
• 30:27
  Speaker 5: really helps make a CGI creature like that look real
• 30:31
  Speaker 5: and believable is that attention a little details like that.
• 30:35
  Speaker 5: And I think that's what makes it different from not
• 30:38
  Speaker 5: looking to cartoonish or looking to video gameish, is including
• 30:41
  Speaker 5: those little details. And I just I want to circle
• 30:45
  Speaker 5: back to to something that you brought up with, like
• 30:47
  Speaker 5: the mooncalf Tom and I'm actually going to talk about
• 30:49
  Speaker 5: this a little bit later in a later discussion point
• 30:53
  Speaker 5: that we have. But I think something else that for
• 30:55
  Speaker 5: me personally helps a CGI creature look more realistic is
• 31:02
  Speaker 5: what the background is. And so I think that what
• 31:05
  Speaker 5: I when you're talking about the mooncalf is I think
• 31:08
  Speaker 5: that because when we see like the mooncalfs for the
• 31:11
  Speaker 5: first time, right, they're in this cgied environment of like
• 31:15
  Speaker 5: the night time in the moon and it's dark, and
• 31:17
  Speaker 5: they just look like.
• 31:18
  Speaker 4: They belong there.
• 31:19
  Speaker 5: I think if maybe the first time we saw a
• 31:21
  Speaker 5: mooncalf was just strolling down the street of Paris, it
• 31:24
  Speaker 5: might look a bit more fake because it's being put
• 31:28
  Speaker 5: into this environment. And I do wonder if I want
• 31:31
  Speaker 5: to kind of go back and like rewatch these films
• 31:34
  Speaker 5: and kind of look at the scenes where we see
• 31:37
  Speaker 5: the CGI creatures in their natural environment versus when we
• 31:40
  Speaker 5: see them not I there, if they potentially look more
• 31:44
  Speaker 5: fake then.
• 31:47
  Speaker 4: But yeah, so that's one thing I thought about with
• 31:49
  Speaker 4: the mooncalf.
• 31:49
  Speaker 5: I think that. Yeah.
• 31:51
  Speaker 4: Back to Picket, Yeah, Pickett was on my list here
• 31:54
  Speaker 4: as one that I think looks very real.
• 31:56
  Speaker 5: Picket's like my favorite of all the creatures really and
• 32:01
  Speaker 5: I think, yeah, they did such a great job with Picket.
• 32:04
  Speaker 5: And I'm actually going to talk a little bit more
• 32:06
  Speaker 5: about Picket in a later question that we're going to
• 32:08
  Speaker 5: talk about, but I think yeah, and again, I think
• 32:11
  Speaker 5: it's that attention to detail with Picket and how little he.
• 32:14
  Speaker 3: Is and he really has tiny little eyes like you know,
• 32:18
  Speaker 3: and it's still conveyed so much you know, uh, feeling
• 32:22
  Speaker 3: and so much attitude.
• 32:24
  Speaker 2: Yes for just a stick, you know, yeah.
• 32:29
  Speaker 4: He's more than a stick.
• 32:31
  Speaker 5: But I think that, Yeah, I think sometimes it's almost
• 32:34
  Speaker 5: like it's almost like Picket isn't CGI, like you know
• 32:38
  Speaker 5: that he is. But like when we were again you know,
• 32:42
  Speaker 5: at Epic Universe and we got to see the little
• 32:44
  Speaker 5: Picket animatronic, I mean that compared to what we see
• 32:48
  Speaker 5: in the films, like there's there's much less of a
• 32:51
  Speaker 5: difference there, like in just how they were able to
• 32:54
  Speaker 5: capture it. You know, it's like, obviously he's not an
• 32:56
  Speaker 5: animatronic in the movie and you can tell it CGI.
• 32:59
  Speaker 5: But I think compared to some of the other creatures,
• 33:02
  Speaker 5: and maybe it's because he's one solid color and he's little,
• 33:05
  Speaker 5: and like maybe from a special effects of you know perspective,
• 33:10
  Speaker 5: it's easier to like animate a smaller creature that's all
• 33:14
  Speaker 5: one color and doesn't have a lot of layers, and
• 33:16
  Speaker 5: maybe that's why it looks different. But yeah, I just
• 33:19
  Speaker 5: I just love what they do with Picket, And obviously
• 33:23
  Speaker 5: Pickett interacts with other things a lot, right, like whether
• 33:26
  Speaker 5: it's like with new like you mentioned tom, or with
• 33:30
  Speaker 5: crawling on things or whatever. And that's really again I'll
• 33:33
  Speaker 5: kind of talk about this later, but that's kind of
• 33:35
  Speaker 5: the moments where the CGI is put to the test,
• 33:39
  Speaker 5: is when it's having to interact, yes with the actor,
• 33:43
  Speaker 5: which I'm gonna talk about that a little bit later
• 33:45
  Speaker 5: in maybe not a positive way. So it's very interesting
• 33:49
  Speaker 5: because obviously we've already talked about you know, like yeah
• 33:52
  Speaker 5: new like scratching like the niffler's belly and all.
• 33:54
  Speaker 4: That kind of stuff. I'm going to talk a little
• 33:56
  Speaker 4: bit more about.
• 33:57
  Speaker 5: That later and my feelings on that, but I think that, yeah,
• 34:01
  Speaker 5: that is where our CGI is put to the task,
• 34:03
  Speaker 5: and it's having to interact with an actual.
• 34:07
  Speaker 4: Thing that's really there, not a CGI.
• 34:12
  Speaker 5: Developed environment where you can make it look real because
• 34:15
  Speaker 5: you're putting CGI on CGI.
• 34:18
  Speaker 3: Yeah, and that's what I meant when when I said
• 34:21
  Speaker 3: it could be trickier when it's like a very small
• 34:24
  Speaker 3: creatures because you know, you get so many like little
• 34:27
  Speaker 3: close up shots of them, So it could be picket
• 34:30
  Speaker 3: hanging from mute sleeves. So you have to convey that
• 34:33
  Speaker 3: little weight that he has, and you know, so he has,
• 34:37
  Speaker 3: it has to look realistic. If it was a huge beast,
• 34:39
  Speaker 3: maybe there's other ways around it, and it's easier in
• 34:43
  Speaker 3: that way. But having something so small not to animate
• 34:46
  Speaker 3: itself but make it interact with the environment that it's in,
• 34:50
  Speaker 3: that might be more of a challenge in that regard,
• 34:53
  Speaker 3: just because of how small it is and the scale
• 34:55
  Speaker 3: of it. But yeah, I think I think it's uh,
• 34:59
  Speaker 3: it such a good it's such a good good. I
• 35:02
  Speaker 3: wanted to say a creature. Yeah, it's a it's a
• 35:04
  Speaker 3: great creature. You know, it feels real it you you know,
• 35:08
  Speaker 3: it's a fan favorite for a reason.
• 35:10
  Speaker 5: So yeah, I like what you mentioned about the weight,
• 35:14
  Speaker 5: Like that's I think really important and like a key
• 35:18
  Speaker 5: component of something cgi looking real is are they able
• 35:23
  Speaker 5: to convey the weight and the mass of that, Because
• 35:27
  Speaker 5: I know sometimes in just in general and media, sometimes
• 35:32
  Speaker 5: when you have cgi things sometimes, I like there's a
• 35:37
  Speaker 5: critique about heads looking like they're floating versus looking like
• 35:41
  Speaker 5: they have weight and mass. Like that's just something that
• 35:43
  Speaker 5: comes up a lot in different forms of CGI people
• 35:48
  Speaker 5: and CGI things, And so I think with creatures as well,
• 35:51
  Speaker 5: like that's important, like how are we capturing like the
• 35:55
  Speaker 5: weight and the mass and like the substance that a
• 36:00
  Speaker 5: real creature would have in that setting. And if they're
• 36:05
  Speaker 5: interacting with something or they're Yeah, if they're hanging off something,
• 36:08
  Speaker 5: are we capturing what that weight would look like as
• 36:11
  Speaker 5: they're dangling off what they're dangling. Yes, And I do
• 36:14
  Speaker 5: think with picket like they do capture that, which just
• 36:19
  Speaker 5: then makes it look more real.
• 36:21
  Speaker 3: Yeah, for sure.
• 36:24
  Speaker 1: I think another thing that helps make things look more real,
• 36:28
  Speaker 1: And like we kind of talked about, like Frank, like
• 36:30
  Speaker 1: looking like a real creature, right, and like having that connection.
• 36:32
  Speaker 2: To the real world and what we know.
• 36:34
  Speaker 1: Also, like I think when creatures have more of like
• 36:38
  Speaker 1: an organic kind of look to them, like the kelpie
• 36:41
  Speaker 1: for instance, this literally made out of plants, I feel
• 36:45
  Speaker 1: like that also helps something look more real because it's
• 36:48
  Speaker 1: connected to something that we know it's based in reality.
• 36:54
  Speaker 1: Because the kelpie looks really good too, like it it
• 36:57
  Speaker 1: looks pretty believable.
• 37:00
  Speaker 5: Well and actually I didn't think about this until you
• 37:02
  Speaker 5: said that. But another creature that I put on this
• 37:04
  Speaker 5: list here is the Chilan, which I think again that
• 37:09
  Speaker 5: has a little bit of a base in reality, right,
• 37:11
  Speaker 5: because it's very dear light actually adults.
• 37:17
  Speaker 3: Yes, yes, it is.
• 37:18
  Speaker 4: Oh my god, yeah, over it.
• 37:21
  Speaker 3: I don't want to watch that movie because of the beginning.
• 37:24
  Speaker 3: I don't want to watch films.
• 37:27
  Speaker 5: So funny because I'm going to talk about the beginning
• 37:29
  Speaker 5: of that film quite a bit a little bit here.
• 37:32
  Speaker 5: But yeah, and actually one thing when we were talking
• 37:35
  Speaker 5: about the close ups and everything on the creature is
• 37:38
  Speaker 5: one thing I put here is that that you know,
• 37:41
  Speaker 5: when we get the close up of like the mother
• 37:43
  Speaker 5: like Chilan's eye, like that looked to me that scene
• 37:47
  Speaker 5: looks very real, and they were able to capture the
• 37:50
  Speaker 5: glossiness of an eye, the way an eye would reflect
• 37:53
  Speaker 5: off the like the moon, and like just the the
• 37:56
  Speaker 5: lighting of that scene, the way that the eye just
• 37:59
  Speaker 5: kind of like ever.
• 38:00
  Speaker 4: So slightly moves.
• 38:01
  Speaker 5: I mean, it just looked like you would like a
• 38:03
  Speaker 5: deer eye would look or a cow I or like,
• 38:06
  Speaker 5: you know, comparing it to reality, and that's a really
• 38:10
  Speaker 5: close up shot. I think that in that opening scene
• 38:14
  Speaker 5: that you know to have just mentioned this kind of
• 38:16
  Speaker 5: trauma typic up to him. I think that the Chileans
• 38:19
  Speaker 5: look really good here, and especially this is kind of
• 38:21
  Speaker 5: also what I mentioned about, like the environment that your
• 38:25
  Speaker 5: CGI creature is in playing a role and how real
• 38:28
  Speaker 5: it looks, because I think that the Chileans look even
• 38:31
  Speaker 5: more real and the opening scenes of Secrets of Dumbledore
• 38:34
  Speaker 5: than it does later on when we get the scene
• 38:37
  Speaker 5: where the Chilean Chilin bows to Dumbledore, where it's in
• 38:42
  Speaker 5: a different environment, right, like I.
• 38:44
  Speaker 3: Think in the first scene.
• 38:45
  Speaker 5: Yeah, the first scene, they're in this forest environment. The
• 38:49
  Speaker 5: scene overall is very dark, like literally dark, but also dark,
• 38:55
  Speaker 5: but the scene itself is very dark, and so I
• 38:58
  Speaker 5: wonder if, like with the moon calfs, if that helps
• 39:01
  Speaker 5: those CGI creatures to look a little bit more real
• 39:03
  Speaker 5: because they're kind of hidden in the darkness of the scene.
• 39:06
  Speaker 5: I think, so, yeah, I think they look great like
• 39:11
  Speaker 5: in that opening scene. But I'm also going to talk
• 39:14
  Speaker 5: about that scene and some issues I have with that
• 39:17
  Speaker 5: scene later. So it Yeah, it's funny because all like
• 39:21
  Speaker 5: when I was going through this dock and like kind
• 39:23
  Speaker 5: of just thinking about these things. Pretty much all of
• 39:26
  Speaker 5: the scenes that I like kind of pulled out are
• 39:28
  Speaker 5: all the same scenes, but I have like positives and
• 39:31
  Speaker 5: meganoes to these same scenes. So sorry and interests, but
• 39:34
  Speaker 5: you're gonna hear you're gonna hear me talk about like
• 39:37
  Speaker 5: the same scenes like throughout this entire episode.
• 39:40
  Speaker 1: I mean that makes sense because if it's a special
• 39:43
  Speaker 1: effects heavy scene, there's a lot of dissect in it,
• 39:46
  Speaker 1: right as other.
• 39:48
  Speaker 2: Scenes might not have quite as much.
• 39:50
  Speaker 3: Mm hmm.
• 39:51
  Speaker 1: Yeah, yes, I think in terms of creatures that I
• 39:56
  Speaker 1: think look the worst, the matagods are like top of
• 40:00
  Speaker 1: that list for me.
• 40:02
  Speaker 4: Yeah, oh, they.
• 40:03
  Speaker 5: Look they really like miss the mark with that. Yeah,
• 40:10
  Speaker 5: I agree, they missed the mark with those.
• 40:14
  Speaker 2: Mm hmm.
• 40:16
  Speaker 5: Which is interesting, right because we've been talking about how
• 40:21
  Speaker 5: the creatures that almost look the most believable are the
• 40:23
  Speaker 5: ones that are kind of based in reality, and the
• 40:27
  Speaker 5: madagots should be completely based in reality because they're cat
• 40:31
  Speaker 5: like there.
• 40:33
  Speaker 2: It's the eyes for me, the eyes, because there's the
• 40:38
  Speaker 2: eyes or break it.
• 40:40
  Speaker 3: Yeah, they look more like Pokemon and you know, like
• 40:44
  Speaker 3: it seem like they belong there.
• 40:46
  Speaker 5: That's what I meant about the video game, like some
• 40:48
  Speaker 5: of them have a video game aspect to them, And
• 40:51
  Speaker 5: I think, yes, the Mada Goods do, and I do
• 40:53
  Speaker 5: really again, yeah, I think eyes are the trickiest thing.
• 40:56
  Speaker 4: You see that too with like CGI generated humans.
• 41:00
  Speaker 5: That's what really makes them look on a canny valley
• 41:03
  Speaker 5: or not real is if they can't it's it's very
• 41:06
  Speaker 5: hard to capture true human eyes. And that's why again
• 41:09
  Speaker 5: I feel like that scene with the Chillin where they
• 41:11
  Speaker 5: do show the close up of the eye is such
• 41:13
  Speaker 5: a good example of when they got it right.
• 41:17
  Speaker 4: But then the juxtapose that with the madagods, it's like,
• 41:19
  Speaker 4: why couldn't we replicate that right?
• 41:22
  Speaker 1: Yeah, it's weird, like if they had made it look
• 41:27
  Speaker 1: more like a regular cat mm hmm, or like a
• 41:32
  Speaker 1: panther maybe yeah, to make it bigger, and then just
• 41:36
  Speaker 1: like if they wanted to add something slightly on canny,
• 41:40
  Speaker 1: maybe making it so you could kind of see its
• 41:44
  Speaker 1: ribs through the fur. But like there's something so weird
• 41:48
  Speaker 1: about how they did it. Yeah, it's so like angular,
• 41:56
  Speaker 1: if that makes sense, Like a cat's body looks fluid.
• 42:02
  Speaker 1: The madagots it's like all these really hard angles and
• 42:06
  Speaker 1: like it's just it.
• 42:08
  Speaker 5: Yeah, I'm looking at the picture and it's like, yeah,
• 42:10
  Speaker 5: it's like the way that they're they don't have a
• 42:13
  Speaker 5: lot of like muscular or like fat on their bodies,
• 42:17
  Speaker 5: so like you're seeing the skeleton, which I think again
• 42:20
  Speaker 5: is fine, but it's like something about the way that
• 42:24
  Speaker 5: they did it. And I think even with the eyes,
• 42:27
  Speaker 5: like they could have to keep it not looking like
• 42:30
  Speaker 5: a real cat. I think they could have kept the
• 42:33
  Speaker 5: shape of the eye, but just the way, yeah, the
• 42:38
  Speaker 5: way they constructed the eye better.
• 42:41
  Speaker 3: And it's like in the texture just looks poorly rendered,
• 42:45
  Speaker 3: like like something that's halfway there, like it's getting there.
• 42:49
  Speaker 3: It's you know when you see those VFS breakdowns and
• 42:52
  Speaker 3: you start seeing how you know, layer after layer and
• 42:54
  Speaker 3: you see the final product. This seems like midway there,
• 42:57
  Speaker 3: like it's still like the third draft. Ye, yes, it's
• 43:00
  Speaker 3: missing like the last four or five layers of realism
• 43:03
  Speaker 3: added to it. Yes, it's it's really like it throws
• 43:07
  Speaker 3: you off completely, like the eyes and the teeth, the mouth,
• 43:11
  Speaker 3: like like the like I said, the texture, how it reflects,
• 43:15
  Speaker 3: how the light reflects on them, Like it just doesn't
• 43:19
  Speaker 3: feel right.
• 43:21
  Speaker 5: It's their eyes are cool and they're a really cool
• 43:25
  Speaker 5: concept of being this like milky blue kind of something.
• 43:29
  Speaker 4: But yeah, I agree, it's almost like they just forgot
• 43:33
  Speaker 4: to like go back.
• 43:34
  Speaker 3: And like, I mean yeah, as a yes, it's a
• 43:38
  Speaker 3: good concept, but it's like, you know, it's halfway there,
• 43:41
  Speaker 3: Like if they had given it more time, maybe they
• 43:45
  Speaker 3: could have, you know, put a little more depth into
• 43:47
  Speaker 3: that and the concept and make it more you know,
• 43:51
  Speaker 3: uh yeah, threatening or more intimidating or you know, just
• 43:56
  Speaker 3: down to what we're saying. Real.
• 43:58
  Speaker 5: It's funny because I just up there's a concept or
• 44:01
  Speaker 5: I don't know if this is actual concept are from.
• 44:04
  Speaker 5: I'd have to go back and look at some of
• 44:05
  Speaker 5: my books of like the filming and if this it's
• 44:08
  Speaker 5: on the wiki, so I don't know if it's or
• 44:10
  Speaker 5: it's I don't know what this website is. It's called
• 44:12
  Speaker 5: Nonalien Creatures dot fandom dot com. I've never been on
• 44:15
  Speaker 5: this website before, but they have a I mean it
• 44:19
  Speaker 5: looks it actually so it looks it's a wiki page
• 44:21
  Speaker 5: like one of those fandom wiki pages. And in the
• 44:25
  Speaker 5: gallery there's two different concept arts of the matagod and
• 44:30
  Speaker 5: they like they just I know that you guys listening
• 44:36
  Speaker 5: will not be able to see this, but I'm just
• 44:37
  Speaker 5: going to like send in our chat so you guys
• 44:41
  Speaker 5: can see.
• 44:41
  Speaker 4: But like the way that they.
• 44:45
  Speaker 5: The way that the concept is here, I like it
• 44:48
  Speaker 5: so much better. Like this first concept of the matagod.
• 44:52
  Speaker 5: It's got like these really long crazy whiskers, it's standing
• 44:56
  Speaker 5: up on its hind legs, it's still got almost like
• 45:00
  Speaker 5: claw like pause. I think it looks so much cooler
• 45:03
  Speaker 5: than what they actually ended up doing. Yeah, even the
• 45:11
  Speaker 5: second concept aret in this this link, I think just again, yeah,
• 45:17
  Speaker 5: both look better than what they did. It looks like
• 45:21
  Speaker 5: here though that they based the matagot on a cheetah,
• 45:24
  Speaker 5: a mixture of a cheetah and a sphinx was kind
• 45:28
  Speaker 5: of the look that they were going for. But yeah,
• 45:33
  Speaker 5: I just think they could have done a better job,
• 45:35
  Speaker 5: and maybe that part was rushed, like you said, Tom, Yeah,
• 45:43
  Speaker 5: here's I just found another fan art that just looks
• 45:46
  Speaker 5: so much cooler than what they did.
• 45:52
  Speaker 1: So I think it's interesting because the Fantastic Beast films
• 45:58
  Speaker 1: kind of have the benefit, if we want to call
• 46:01
  Speaker 1: it a benefit, of having been made more recently than
• 46:03
  Speaker 1: the Harry Potter films. So does that make their special
• 46:07
  Speaker 1: effects better?
• 46:09
  Speaker 4: Or not, in my opinion, not necessarily.
• 46:17
  Speaker 5: And I think we've touched on this a lot, and
• 46:19
  Speaker 5: I think, like, if you guys have been listening to
• 46:22
  Speaker 5: our podcast, you know from the beginning, you'll know that
• 46:25
  Speaker 5: the three of us are very much fans of practical
• 46:28
  Speaker 5: effects and speaking of realism, right that we just talked about,
• 46:33
  Speaker 5: like really like what makes things really real is.
• 46:36
  Speaker 4: Having that practical effect there.
• 46:38
  Speaker 5: And I think that I didn't know that I've said
• 46:41
  Speaker 5: this before in general, and I think this is not
• 46:43
  Speaker 5: just an issue with Fantastic Beasts.
• 46:45
  Speaker 4: I think it's an issue with movies and TV across
• 46:49
  Speaker 4: the board.
• 46:50
  Speaker 5: Now, is that we rely so much on how our
• 46:54
  Speaker 5: technology has advanced, and focusing so much on CGI and
• 46:58
  Speaker 5: having the cutting edge CGI that were kind of losing
• 47:05
  Speaker 5: maybe that betterness or that timeless look. And I think
• 47:11
  Speaker 5: that because the Harry Potter films did rely a lot,
• 47:16
  Speaker 5: especially those and you can see if you watch the
• 47:19
  Speaker 5: earlier Harry Potter films versus the later ones right where
• 47:22
  Speaker 5: CGI is more prevalent.
• 47:24
  Speaker 4: I think it's really telling there.
• 47:25
  Speaker 5: And I think the fact that the Harry Potter films
• 47:28
  Speaker 5: the time that they came out, the technology wasn't as advanced, right,
• 47:32
  Speaker 5: so movies were still having to rely a lot on
• 47:34
  Speaker 5: practical effects, but again it was to the benefit. And
• 47:39
  Speaker 5: I think that when you know, when I saw this question,
• 47:42
  Speaker 5: I immediately again and I've harped on this before about
• 47:46
  Speaker 5: how amazing.
• 47:48
  Speaker 4: I just think the Basilisk looks and Chamber of Secrets.
• 47:50
  Speaker 5: Literally just watched Chamber of Secrets last night and still
• 47:54
  Speaker 5: was it was still impressed. And I mean even like
• 47:58
  Speaker 5: Buckbeak two, and I know that like they did that
• 48:01
  Speaker 5: same thing like you mentioned amy with some of the
• 48:04
  Speaker 5: creatures and Fantastic Beasts, where part of it was practical
• 48:08
  Speaker 5: and the rest is kind of CGI. But like, I
• 48:10
  Speaker 5: just think that for some reason, like the Harry Potter
• 48:13
  Speaker 5: films like almost did it better in some ways, and
• 48:17
  Speaker 5: I truly think it's because they had more limited technology
• 48:20
  Speaker 5: and needed to rely on practical effects. Yeah, but again overall,
• 48:25
  Speaker 5: the CGI is of course more advanced than the Fantastic
• 48:28
  Speaker 5: Beast films.
• 48:28
  Speaker 4: But like my question is is that going to eventually
• 48:31
  Speaker 4: date the films?
• 48:32
  Speaker 5: And I think back to the question that we asked
• 48:34
  Speaker 5: about the Harry Potter films and does the movie magic
• 48:37
  Speaker 5: still hold up? Is it timeless? And I think the answer,
• 48:41
  Speaker 5: we answered that we talked about that, right, But I
• 48:43
  Speaker 5: think like the over reliance on CGI is what is
• 48:47
  Speaker 5: going to date films over time.
• 48:49
  Speaker 3: Yeah, definitely, Yeah, I agree, definitely. I think again, yeah,
• 48:57
  Speaker 3: I don't think they were necessarily better than the Harry
• 48:59
  Speaker 3: Potter films. But at the same time, I feel because
• 49:02
  Speaker 3: the Harry Potter films happened in a time where there
• 49:04
  Speaker 3: was this kind of like industrial revolution of CGI taking place,
• 49:08
  Speaker 3: Like new technology is being introduced film after film. Now
• 49:11
  Speaker 3: it's kind of like they've been going by the same
• 49:13
  Speaker 3: technology for a few years and now they're using more AI,
• 49:17
  Speaker 3: so they're starting to incorporate that, and so this was
• 49:21
  Speaker 3: such a pivotal time in cinema history that you can
• 49:25
  Speaker 3: see that kind of like how they rose the bar
• 49:29
  Speaker 3: film after film And I feel like still everything from
• 49:33
  Speaker 3: Goblet of Fire onwards holds up surprisingly well compared to
• 49:36
  Speaker 3: other big films at that time, even compared to films
• 49:40
  Speaker 3: you know that have come out in the last few years.
• 49:43
  Speaker 3: I may say too, Like I feel like in the
• 49:47
  Speaker 3: Fantastic Beast films, they knew their craft was good, they
• 49:51
  Speaker 3: knew what worked, and they kind of like believe they might,
• 49:55
  Speaker 3: you know, use the same techniques and presets, and but
• 50:00
  Speaker 3: they just kind of like revamped them and gave them
• 50:02
  Speaker 3: a new twist. I do believe they pair a little
• 50:06
  Speaker 3: bit better with the last couple of Harry Potter films,
• 50:09
  Speaker 3: just because it was kind of like in that same
• 50:11
  Speaker 3: you know, the twenty tents, so it's in the same decade,
• 50:17
  Speaker 3: and I think that's where CGI started, you know, movies,
• 50:21
  Speaker 3: like you said, Nicole started relying heavily on CGI. So
• 50:23
  Speaker 3: I think they pair really well with those last couple films,
• 50:28
  Speaker 3: but I don't feel they are necessarily better, just because
• 50:32
  Speaker 3: I think also the practicality of the films just gave
• 50:35
  Speaker 3: it that timeless results that holds up incredibly well till today.
• 50:42
  Speaker 3: Hogwarts in sorcers Stone, you have the Troll that is,
• 50:46
  Speaker 3: you know, horrible. We've talked about it, and it's you know,
• 50:49
  Speaker 3: it's PlayStation two a render basically, but you have Hogwarts,
• 50:54
  Speaker 3: which was practical, it's an actual model, and it still
• 50:57
  Speaker 3: looks like a real place. There's not a single thing
• 51:01
  Speaker 3: that makes me think, oh that's a model. No, that
• 51:03
  Speaker 3: is Hogwarts, that's a real location. So yeah, that's that's
• 51:07
  Speaker 3: my opinion.
• 51:07
  Speaker 2: That which is a good point too.
• 51:09
  Speaker 1: Talking about locations, right, and that the Harry Potter films
• 51:14
  Speaker 1: dealt with so many real actual sets the Fantastic Beasts
• 51:19
  Speaker 1: films not so much like a lot of these sects.
• 51:22
  Speaker 3: And I think you can tell you can tell, yeah, yeah,
• 51:26
  Speaker 3: I'm gonna be like Nicole on this one and say
• 51:28
  Speaker 3: I'm gonna, you know, go back to this, you know,
• 51:31
  Speaker 3: in the next couple of sections. But yes, I have
• 51:34
  Speaker 3: something to say about that too. Yeah.
• 51:37
  Speaker 5: Well, and something that you kind of brought up time
• 51:39
  Speaker 5: that made me think is I think that you know,
• 51:41
  Speaker 5: one good way to even kind of compare, right, our
• 51:44
  Speaker 5: special effects in Harry Potter and the special effects with
• 51:47
  Speaker 5: Fantastic Beasts. Like, obviously, let's remove like the creatures, right,
• 51:51
  Speaker 5: because obviously we have a lot we have a lot
• 51:53
  Speaker 5: of creatures in Harry Potter. We have a lot more
• 51:56
  Speaker 5: creatures and Fantastic Beasts, and so they obviously had to
• 52:01
  Speaker 5: rely more heavily on CGI. But like, let's look at
• 52:03
  Speaker 5: some of the scenes where we kind of have something
• 52:07
  Speaker 5: that we've seen in both areas. So like one thing
• 52:10
  Speaker 5: that came to mind, and this is a scene that
• 52:12
  Speaker 5: I'm kind of going to talk a little bit more
• 52:14
  Speaker 5: about later, but it's just in general our scenes where
• 52:17
  Speaker 5: we have wizards like dueling with each other or are
• 52:22
  Speaker 5: bad guys like flying around like with their wispy black ends,
• 52:27
  Speaker 5: with that you can still see their heads, right, but
• 52:29
  Speaker 5: then the rest of them is a black smoke. So
• 52:32
  Speaker 5: like we see that in both franchises, right, And I
• 52:35
  Speaker 5: do not think that it looks really any different or
• 52:41
  Speaker 5: significantly better in Fantastic.
• 52:44
  Speaker 4: Beasts than it did in the earlier films.
• 52:46
  Speaker 5: And I think that's a really good comparison of exactly
• 52:48
  Speaker 5: what you said, Tom, that those Harry Potter films were
• 52:51
  Speaker 5: way ahead of their time and exactly what you said
• 52:53
  Speaker 5: about they kind of perfected the craft then, and so
• 52:56
  Speaker 5: they kind of just reused possibly those same techniques, the
• 53:01
  Speaker 5: same presets again, And like I think that's where, if
• 53:04
  Speaker 5: you really compare it, you're like, wow, Like it's even
• 53:08
  Speaker 5: though we've had such an increase in technology since those films,
• 53:12
  Speaker 5: those things like still look the same because they just
• 53:15
  Speaker 5: did it so good the first time.
• 53:17
  Speaker 3: Yeah, yeah, yeah. And when you mentioned duels, I just
• 53:21
  Speaker 3: you know, what comes to my mind is Dumbledore and
• 53:24
  Speaker 3: Voldemort's duel and Order of the Phoenix. That is a
• 53:27
  Speaker 3: masterclass in visual and practical effects, and it's such a
• 53:31
  Speaker 3: good scene and and I compare it to you know,
• 53:36
  Speaker 3: some of the dueling scenes like Credence versus Dumbledore or
• 53:40
  Speaker 3: Tina you know, uh in the first one when she's dueling,
• 53:45
  Speaker 3: I forgot graves name Graves. Yes, sorry, you know, yes,
• 53:53
  Speaker 3: I I kind of like it really harkens back to
• 53:56
  Speaker 3: that and say, hey, this is kind of like really
• 53:58
  Speaker 3: similar to that. You can see the spirit of that. Yeah,
• 54:01
  Speaker 3: but they've somehow used it and said, Okay, how can
• 54:04
  Speaker 3: we take it a little bit further, you know, using
• 54:07
  Speaker 3: the technology we have in our hands now.
• 54:10
  Speaker 5: So yeah, just a little bit more refined, yes, yess like,
• 54:13
  Speaker 5: because the technologies they're we're able to just make it
• 54:15
  Speaker 5: maybe a little cleaner, a little bit more refined. But
• 54:19
  Speaker 5: I think at the same time, you don't want to
• 54:22
  Speaker 5: make it too clean or too refined, because that's when
• 54:25
  Speaker 5: it starts to look fake and video gamey and too CGI.
• 54:30
  Speaker 3: Like filters Instagram.
• 54:32
  Speaker 5: Yes, yes, exactly exactly, but yeah, I think that, like
• 54:39
  Speaker 5: of course, people like when you think about comparing the
• 54:42
  Speaker 5: CGI and the franchises, I think it really of course,
• 54:45
  Speaker 5: you think about the creatures first. I mean we opened, right,
• 54:48
  Speaker 5: what was the first question we talked about here right
• 54:49
  Speaker 5: in the Creatures. But I think, like, yeah, really taking
• 54:53
  Speaker 5: time to like look at some of the other special
• 54:55
  Speaker 5: effects in the films and comparing that will really show
• 54:59
  Speaker 5: you how advanced the Harry Potter films like truly.
• 55:01
  Speaker 4: Were for their time. Yeah.
• 55:04
  Speaker 3: Absolutely, I mean.
• 55:07
  Speaker 5: What do you think, Amy, do you kind of like
• 55:09
  Speaker 5: touched on this, But I'm like curious what you think
• 55:12
  Speaker 5: to you the question that you posed.
• 55:14
  Speaker 1: No, I don't think it necessarily makes it better. I
• 55:18
  Speaker 1: don't think it makes it worse either.
• 55:21
  Speaker 2: I think.
• 55:23
  Speaker 1: I think it is interesting because, like Tom said, like
• 55:28
  Speaker 1: the Fantastic Beasts films look very much like the last
• 55:31
  Speaker 1: couple Harry Potter films, but it wasn't as if when
• 55:35
  Speaker 1: the Fantastic Beast films come out in twenty sixteen or
• 55:39
  Speaker 1: twenty eighteen, it didn't look out of date, like it
• 55:44
  Speaker 1: still looked like up to par. So, Yeah, it is
• 55:48
  Speaker 1: really interesting even though we have that many years difference there.
• 55:53
  Speaker 2: I think it's also says something to the.
• 55:57
  Speaker 1: World building that goes into creating a film franchise, and
• 56:01
  Speaker 1: that you are using a lot of the same special
• 56:05
  Speaker 1: effects for the same things, and so once you've kind
• 56:11
  Speaker 1: of educated the audience in this like language of special
• 56:15
  Speaker 1: effects and what that means is happening on the screen.
• 56:19
  Speaker 1: You can use it again and again and again, and
• 56:23
  Speaker 1: we as the audience already have that background.
• 56:25
  Speaker 2: Knowledge of oh they just operated right, or that again.
• 56:34
  Speaker 5: Yeah, yeah, you want it to be consistent, or oh that's.
• 56:39
  Speaker 2: A port key and we just watched them disappear into
• 56:41
  Speaker 2: the port key.
• 56:42
  Speaker 4: Like they're using all the changes, right.
• 56:45
  Speaker 5: They could say, our technology has advanced so much, we
• 56:48
  Speaker 5: could totally change how apparition looks because we could do
• 56:51
  Speaker 5: it so much cooler, But then it looks fake because
• 56:54
  Speaker 5: you're like, that's not what we've seen before, that's.
• 56:56
  Speaker 4: Not what it looks like.
• 56:58
  Speaker 5: And so I do think that is what helped this
• 57:01
  Speaker 5: franchise remain successful. Is that exactly to your point? They
• 57:05
  Speaker 5: have kept some of those things. Yeah, and then like, yeah,
• 57:08
  Speaker 5: we can do this better, but we've already established what
• 57:11
  Speaker 5: this looks like to continue to have.
• 57:13
  Speaker 4: It look that way.
• 57:14
  Speaker 3: Yeah. Yeah, even down to the details of the spells
• 57:17
  Speaker 3: like Lumos it's such you know, because I did some
• 57:22
  Speaker 3: Lumas effect recreations on after Effects back in the day,
• 57:25
  Speaker 3: and they had like this really interesting ring that when
• 57:28
  Speaker 3: you know, outward and it was like constantly like this
• 57:31
  Speaker 3: loop of this ring of lights. Yeah, and it was
• 57:35
  Speaker 3: it was so in all of the films it was
• 57:37
  Speaker 3: the same and seeing it continue that way in the
• 57:40
  Speaker 3: Fantastic Beast films just felt so good because it was like,
• 57:43
  Speaker 3: oh my god, what are they going to do with that?
• 57:44
  Speaker 3: They do add new things, like you know, I love
• 57:47
  Speaker 3: the effect of the umbrella of the last scene where Tina.
• 57:51
  Speaker 3: You know, that's such a good I don't know who
• 57:54
  Speaker 3: came up with that, but you know, kudos to them
• 57:56
  Speaker 3: because it's so good. You know who who you know,
• 58:00
  Speaker 3: we all forget our umbrellas. How cool would it be
• 58:02
  Speaker 3: just to you know, a whip of wind just have
• 58:04
  Speaker 3: your own umbrella there? But yeah, back to the point,
• 58:08
  Speaker 3: like I feel that's like you guys said that consistency
• 58:12
  Speaker 3: and that has allowed this franchise to remain successful because
• 58:17
  Speaker 3: they could have just said, no, Loomis is going to
• 58:20
  Speaker 3: be completely different and you know it's going to act
• 58:22
  Speaker 3: this other way, but no, they kept it, and you
• 58:26
  Speaker 3: know it's what makes this world you know, kind of
• 58:29
  Speaker 3: look more unified as a whole. And it allows us
• 58:32
  Speaker 3: to have theme parks after the after it, and we
• 58:36
  Speaker 3: can you know, merge these two universes together because they
• 58:39
  Speaker 3: are just a continuation of one another. So that's yeah,
• 58:43
  Speaker 3: that's a pretty good job they did on their end.
• 58:47
  Speaker 5: I was even thinking, too, there's two things I kind
• 58:49
  Speaker 5: of thought of, like when you know you're talking there
• 58:51
  Speaker 5: is that with the with the apparition as well, and
• 58:53
  Speaker 5: just again having that consistency and like we've established how
• 58:56
  Speaker 5: that looks from a special effects standpoint, we've seen that
• 58:59
  Speaker 5: same same thing translate really well practically. If you've seen
• 59:03
  Speaker 5: Curse Child, there's apparition in Curse Child as well, this
• 59:07
  Speaker 5: on a literal stage that they do practically, but it's
• 59:11
  Speaker 5: still it's somehow they're able to still do it so
• 59:15
  Speaker 5: that it still captures the same kind of feeling as
• 59:20
  Speaker 5: when you see apparition happen digitally. And I think that
• 59:25
  Speaker 5: that again is a real testament to how they were
• 59:27
  Speaker 5: able to capture how that looks, that this is something
• 59:30
  Speaker 5: we're able to produce digitally and literally practically.
• 59:36
  Speaker 4: Was one thing I thought of.
• 59:37
  Speaker 5: And then another thing I did think of too is
• 59:40
  Speaker 5: where we see them an example where I think that
• 59:44
  Speaker 5: and I could be like wrong, it could just be
• 59:45
  Speaker 5: the way it's playing out in my mind right now.
• 59:47
  Speaker 5: I'd have to go back and like like literally compare scenes.
• 59:50
  Speaker 5: But I think about an example where they do something
• 59:54
  Speaker 5: that's established to us, but maybe it looked a little
• 59:57
  Speaker 5: bit more refined because the technology is by but they
• 1:00:00
  Speaker 5: still keep it consistent. Is us seeing the Evada cadavers spell?
• 1:00:06
  Speaker 5: So I think an example I see so again, like
• 1:00:08
  Speaker 5: I said, I'm going to keep referencing like my same
• 1:00:10
  Speaker 5: scenes here, but in the opening scene in Secrets of Dumbledore,
• 1:00:15
  Speaker 5: when you have you know, Grindelwald's baddies what I'll refer
• 1:00:20
  Speaker 5: them to, you know, murder the chillin and we see,
• 1:00:25
  Speaker 5: especially with like the mother, we see like the Evada
• 1:00:29
  Speaker 5: Cadaverras spell looks exactly like the special effect is exactly
• 1:00:32
  Speaker 5: like we've seen before, right the green light, but there
• 1:00:35
  Speaker 5: is something about and maybe it's because it's the first
• 1:00:38
  Speaker 5: time we've like really seen a full shot of something
• 1:00:41
  Speaker 5: in total getting Avada cadaver kinna make that a verb,
• 1:00:46
  Speaker 5: I guess, but like there's something about it where it's
• 1:00:49
  Speaker 5: the same thing that we're used to seeing, but it
• 1:00:53
  Speaker 5: looks just a little bit more like refined and like
• 1:00:57
  Speaker 5: advanced because the way that they're able to like animate
• 1:01:01
  Speaker 5: it in the creature like glowing. The way that the
• 1:01:04
  Speaker 5: creature like glows in green is different than we kind
• 1:01:08
  Speaker 5: of see previously. But I think it's a good example
• 1:01:11
  Speaker 5: of they've kept the framework the same and how that
• 1:01:15
  Speaker 5: effect looks, but they have the technology to just make
• 1:01:18
  Speaker 5: it look just a little bit more just that much
• 1:01:21
  Speaker 5: more refined, that just much you know what I mean,
• 1:01:24
  Speaker 5: Like that could be in a good example, but I
• 1:01:26
  Speaker 5: have to go back and like see if we have
• 1:01:27
  Speaker 5: a good example. But actually, I mean it is like
• 1:01:30
  Speaker 5: compared to like when we see unfortunately in the films,
• 1:01:33
  Speaker 5: like Lily Potter get like a vaticateateaver, right, like we
• 1:01:36
  Speaker 5: just kind of see the green light, but we don't
• 1:01:38
  Speaker 5: see it actually impacting her body other than her just
• 1:01:41
  Speaker 5: kind of falling. But then what they did here is
• 1:01:43
  Speaker 5: they show like how the body like literally responds in
• 1:01:48
  Speaker 5: that moment to getting that curse hit them. But it's
• 1:01:51
  Speaker 5: the same spell we know when we're familiar with, but
• 1:01:54
  Speaker 5: they were able to find a way to just like
• 1:01:57
  Speaker 5: make it look even just a little better. Which it's
• 1:02:00
  Speaker 5: such a dark scene and a dark spell to kind
• 1:02:03
  Speaker 5: of like point out is a good example of how
• 1:02:06
  Speaker 5: how they were to able to improve it. But it's
• 1:02:08
  Speaker 5: the first one that kind of came to to my mind.
• 1:02:12
  Speaker 2: Mm hmmm, h yeah, yeah, definitely.
• 1:02:18
  Speaker 1: Yeah, So let's head into some of these special effects moments,
• 1:02:22
  Speaker 1: because that's yeah.
• 1:02:25
  Speaker 4: We kind of got ahead of ourselves a little.
• 1:02:26
  Speaker 2: Yeah, that's a good bridge into it though, for sure.
• 1:02:31
  Speaker 1: So one of the ones that like I immediately thought
• 1:02:35
  Speaker 1: of was the scene in the first film at Henry
• 1:02:40
  Speaker 1: Shaw's political fundraiser dinner with the obscurist attack and his
• 1:02:46
  Speaker 1: you know, eventual murder.
• 1:02:48
  Speaker 2: In the scene.
• 1:02:50
  Speaker 1: That scene is so well done, like you have the
• 1:02:55
  Speaker 1: switches in POV to the obscurists and or like in
• 1:03:01
  Speaker 1: the obscuristis POV as it's flying through the scene.
• 1:03:05
  Speaker 2: It's so good and just I don't know, I don't
• 1:03:09
  Speaker 2: know how to explain it other than like it's so eerie,
• 1:03:13
  Speaker 2: like the scene.
• 1:03:15
  Speaker 3: It's good.
• 1:03:16
  Speaker 5: They captured the tone, like the vibe of that scene,
• 1:03:19
  Speaker 5: and I think that's a really good scene. It's showing
• 1:03:21
  Speaker 5: how like how well like the marriage between special effects
• 1:03:28
  Speaker 5: and cinematography, Like just because it's a CGID thing doesn't
• 1:03:33
  Speaker 5: mean you can't still have great cinematography with it, right,
• 1:03:37
  Speaker 5: and that scene like really shows that.
• 1:03:39
  Speaker 4: I agree, I think definitely very eerie.
• 1:03:41
  Speaker 5: That's a really good unsettling, right, you get that like
• 1:03:45
  Speaker 5: unsettling feeling. I get a similar feeling in that scene.
• 1:03:49
  Speaker 4: That I get when I watch Horror.
• 1:03:50
  Speaker 1: I was just gonna say it feels very paranormal because
• 1:03:55
  Speaker 1: it's so much CGI, right, I mean, the whole background
• 1:03:58
  Speaker 1: is CGI, because you have the rips going through the banner,
• 1:04:01
  Speaker 1: you have you know, Henry Shaw getting like lifted up
• 1:04:05
  Speaker 1: and like thrown around. But it still feels very real
• 1:04:10
  Speaker 1: and grounded. And I don't know if that is because
• 1:04:14
  Speaker 1: of the cinematography and like getting in the character of
• 1:04:17
  Speaker 1: the Obscurists through its eyes or what it is, but
• 1:04:22
  Speaker 1: it works. Whatever it is, works really well. And even
• 1:04:27
  Speaker 1: though it's like all CGI, it feels very very real.
• 1:04:35
  Speaker 5: No, I agree, I mean, and I think even like
• 1:04:39
  Speaker 5: you know, one thing I thought of too, which is
• 1:04:41
  Speaker 5: actually I mean really just paired with what you said here,
• 1:04:43
  Speaker 5: is I truly think all the scenes involving the Obscurists
• 1:04:49
  Speaker 5: are done really well. And it's so weird because I've
• 1:04:52
  Speaker 5: actually seen like online some discourse and some criticism of
• 1:04:55
  Speaker 5: the films being the obscurist and that that's part of
• 1:04:58
  Speaker 5: what doesn't seem real and what scene and I don't
• 1:05:02
  Speaker 5: I don't personally like agree with that. I think that
• 1:05:04
  Speaker 5: they actually captured that really well, especially given that the
• 1:05:09
  Speaker 5: obscurist has to interact with things, right, and it like, yeah,
• 1:05:13
  Speaker 5: obviously it's a very unnatural thing, right, Like we don't
• 1:05:16
  Speaker 5: have anything in real life that is compared to an obscurist.
• 1:05:19
  Speaker 5: But to me, it like the whole thing, Like it
• 1:05:22
  Speaker 5: just looks real every scene where we haven't.
• 1:05:25
  Speaker 1: And that's funny because like I feel like the total opposite,
• 1:05:28
  Speaker 1: Like most of my favorite scenes are the obscurest scenes.
• 1:05:32
  Speaker 5: Me too, me too. Yeah, Well, a lighthearted scene that
• 1:05:44
  Speaker 5: I thought of, which is so funny because every other
• 1:05:46
  Speaker 5: scene or every other thing I'm going to talk about
• 1:05:48
  Speaker 5: in this episode is dark because that's just I guess,
• 1:05:51
  Speaker 5: you know, my slider intendency is I disclaimer Nicole always
• 1:05:56
  Speaker 5: talks about the more the more moody dark stuff.
• 1:06:01
  Speaker 4: But I really love the Strudle.
• 1:06:03
  Speaker 5: Scene and the first time I think that, Yeah, I
• 1:06:07
  Speaker 5: think that this had the potential to look really like
• 1:06:10
  Speaker 5: gimmicky and weird, right, And I don't think it does.
• 1:06:13
  Speaker 4: And I think again.
• 1:06:14
  Speaker 5: It reminds me so much, you know, of our scene
• 1:06:17
  Speaker 5: that we get in Half Blood Prints, you know, where
• 1:06:21
  Speaker 5: we have like them putting the house back together and
• 1:06:24
  Speaker 5: you have magic and everything flying around. And even though
• 1:06:28
  Speaker 5: that film came out years before, I think it looked
• 1:06:30
  Speaker 5: good then too, and it like still looks good here
• 1:06:34
  Speaker 5: and yeah it had again it has the potential to
• 1:06:38
  Speaker 5: look really weird because you've got magic and objects flying
• 1:06:42
  Speaker 5: around in a very practical environment, but.
• 1:06:46
  Speaker 4: It just it works.
• 1:06:47
  Speaker 5: It looks good. The detail of the strudle, you know,
• 1:06:50
  Speaker 5: you can obviously tell it cgi like, especially when like
• 1:06:53
  Speaker 5: the braids and stuff come wrap around it.
• 1:06:55
  Speaker 4: But I think that, yeah, I think they did a
• 1:06:57
  Speaker 4: really good job.
• 1:06:58
  Speaker 3: With and it's such a small detail. It's such a
• 1:07:01
  Speaker 3: small moment, but still manages to capture that, you know,
• 1:07:05
  Speaker 3: it just manages to make your mouth water.
• 1:07:08
  Speaker 5: I want to eat it. I want it. Yeah.
• 1:07:10
  Speaker 3: I was actually gonna mention this scene, but I saw
• 1:07:12
  Speaker 3: that you have you know, brought it up and I
• 1:07:13
  Speaker 3: was like, yeah, that that is actually such such a
• 1:07:16
  Speaker 3: good one because the transition of that you know, baking
• 1:07:20
  Speaker 3: it and everything just in the you know, it looks
• 1:07:22
  Speaker 3: so so good, so seamless, like it's really good. Again. Yes,
• 1:07:28
  Speaker 3: there are some CGI elements that kind of like, but
• 1:07:31
  Speaker 3: it's not big enough to throw you off, you know,
• 1:07:34
  Speaker 3: it's just part of what CGI. You know, CGI after
• 1:07:38
  Speaker 3: at the end of the day, like it is CGI,
• 1:07:41
  Speaker 3: and of course you're always going to notice it. I
• 1:07:44
  Speaker 3: don't think there's any movie or anything where you're going
• 1:07:46
  Speaker 3: to be like, no, this is not CGI, because but
• 1:07:48
  Speaker 3: there is good CGI and there's bad CGI. And this
• 1:07:51
  Speaker 3: is an example of really good CGI for a moment
• 1:07:54
  Speaker 3: that maybe you know, they could have done away without,
• 1:07:57
  Speaker 3: you know, it wasn't necessary necessary, but they excited to
• 1:08:00
  Speaker 3: go for it, and it's so well done. I actually
• 1:08:04
  Speaker 3: love it.
• 1:08:06
  Speaker 4: I can imagine a scene like that being just very
• 1:08:08
  Speaker 4: fun for like.
• 1:08:11
  Speaker 5: Visual effects like artists to work on Like that just
• 1:08:14
  Speaker 5: seems like probably like such a treasure trove of a
• 1:08:17
  Speaker 5: scene to like.
• 1:08:19
  Speaker 4: You know, do their craft with m H.
• 1:08:21
  Speaker 1: I mean, if I was them, I would have to
• 1:08:23
  Speaker 1: like go down the street to the bakery and you know,
• 1:08:26
  Speaker 1: get some items for research purposes.
• 1:08:30
  Speaker 5: Yeah, of course, right, how the layers? Right, how would
• 1:08:35
  Speaker 5: the layers of the pastry fold over each other? And
• 1:08:38
  Speaker 5: how do we make this look flaky? And real, and
• 1:08:40
  Speaker 5: like I would be part of that research team to
• 1:08:43
  Speaker 5: like test out the stirdles to make sure.
• 1:08:45
  Speaker 4: That we make it look real.
• 1:08:46
  Speaker 5: Yeah.
• 1:08:47
  Speaker 3: Yeah, we get Warner Brothers approval instantly. So yeah, of
• 1:08:53
  Speaker 3: shopping on their credit card, yeah, a monthly subscription on
• 1:08:58
  Speaker 3: the bakery.
• 1:09:00
  Speaker 5: Yeah.
• 1:09:03
  Speaker 1: So another one that jumps out to me is in
• 1:09:06
  Speaker 1: the second film, and that is nic Guini's transformation. Both
• 1:09:11
  Speaker 1: times that it happens. The first time we see it
• 1:09:14
  Speaker 1: obviously is in the Circus. Just the way they play
• 1:09:18
  Speaker 1: off of the Circus theme of like contortionist and have
• 1:09:22
  Speaker 1: her like bend over backwards in the way that translates
• 1:09:27
  Speaker 1: into the snake's movement is just so good. And then
• 1:09:31
  Speaker 1: when she gets scared in Irma Dugard's apartment and transforms,
• 1:09:37
  Speaker 1: it's the same.
• 1:09:38
  Speaker 2: It's very fluid, it looks so good. I love that.
• 1:09:45
  Speaker 5: Yeah.
• 1:09:46
  Speaker 3: Again, you know one thing, Yeah, go ahead, tom oh No.
• 1:09:50
  Speaker 3: I was just going to say an example of you know,
• 1:09:51
  Speaker 3: practical effects, which in this case would be her dress
• 1:09:54
  Speaker 3: and how it really allows for that transformation to make
• 1:09:58
  Speaker 3: it look more seamless. It's it's a good combination of
• 1:10:02
  Speaker 3: both elements that allow for that to like really you
• 1:10:06
  Speaker 3: know stand out. Yeah, and yeah, I agree. I think
• 1:10:09
  Speaker 3: it's also great, a great scene.
• 1:10:11
  Speaker 2: Right, And I don't know how they did this.
• 1:10:14
  Speaker 1: I don't know if her bending over backwards is entirely
• 1:10:19
  Speaker 1: cgi or if they had a stunt person who was
• 1:10:22
  Speaker 1: like starting that contortion.
• 1:10:24
  Speaker 2: I don't know, but like it looks really good.
• 1:10:28
  Speaker 3: Maybe the actress had some experience. Maybe I don't know.
• 1:10:35
  Speaker 4: Yeah, yeah, I was just gonna say that.
• 1:10:37
  Speaker 5: And actually in the example that I'm going to give
• 1:10:39
  Speaker 5: in a second, I'm going to talk a little bit
• 1:10:41
  Speaker 5: kind of more about this.
• 1:10:42
  Speaker 4: But I think one thing that.
• 1:10:45
  Speaker 5: This franchise has done in general very well, like from
• 1:10:48
  Speaker 5: Harry Potter to Fantastic Beasts, is like transformation. Like I
• 1:10:54
  Speaker 5: feel like there is such a like trance like forming
• 1:11:00
  Speaker 5: a human into something non human, or transforming a human
• 1:11:05
  Speaker 5: into another human has the possibility, has the possibility to
• 1:11:11
  Speaker 5: look real, fake and unnatural.
• 1:11:14
  Speaker 4: And I do feel like they have just somehow like
• 1:11:18
  Speaker 4: hit gold with that and just keep doing it.
• 1:11:21
  Speaker 5: I mean even thinking about and I'm pretty sure we
• 1:11:24
  Speaker 5: probably talked about this in our Harry Potter episode, but
• 1:11:27
  Speaker 5: like the transformation of like looping into the wearhols, like
• 1:11:31
  Speaker 5: if we want to compare an early transformation into a
• 1:11:34
  Speaker 5: later transformation or even like obviously Chamber of Secrets is
• 1:11:38
  Speaker 5: really hot in my mind right now, like the transformation
• 1:11:41
  Speaker 5: of them with the polyjuice postion, like you said, Amy,
• 1:11:43
  Speaker 5: like they just have always done those transformations really well
• 1:11:46
  Speaker 5: and really made them look believable, and this is that's
• 1:11:50
  Speaker 5: obviously it's such another example of of that.
• 1:11:54
  Speaker 4: Just then the sharking something they've.
• 1:11:56
  Speaker 3: Put the shark, the shark and the second task though
• 1:11:59
  Speaker 3: the problem.
• 1:12:00
  Speaker 4: Oh yeah, that one's a little rough that.
• 1:12:04
  Speaker 3: Yeah, yeah, but yeah, the others, the others, like the one,
• 1:12:08
  Speaker 3: the Chamber of Secrets one is it's amazing, like to
• 1:12:13
  Speaker 3: this day, you don't see you know, there's no there's
• 1:12:20
  Speaker 3: no the camera is always filming like, there's no it's
• 1:12:24
  Speaker 3: just so well done, you know, it's just so the
• 1:12:27
  Speaker 3: whole transition again, like the layers of effects and everything
• 1:12:30
  Speaker 3: is so well executed. And we're talking about two yeah,
• 1:12:36
  Speaker 3: we're talking about twenty two, twenty three year old film. Now,
• 1:12:41
  Speaker 3: it's insane.
• 1:12:43
  Speaker 5: Like I said, they they somehow perfected that formula of
• 1:12:46
  Speaker 5: transforming and we're able to just kind of just keep
• 1:12:51
  Speaker 5: making it look better and better and better. And we
• 1:12:54
  Speaker 5: do have such, we have a lot of scenes of
• 1:12:57
  Speaker 5: transforming transfiguration these films, yea and yeah, other than Victor
• 1:13:04
  Speaker 5: Crumb shark Head, I think that for them all work really.
• 1:13:11
  Speaker 4: Yes, yes and.
• 1:13:14
  Speaker 5: Yeah, so like yeah, so with this question, so I mentioned,
• 1:13:19
  Speaker 5: I'm going to talk a lot about these scenes a lot.
• 1:13:21
  Speaker 5: So the opening scenes of both Crimes of Grindlevald and
• 1:13:24
  Speaker 5: Secrets of Dumbledore are probably my favorite.
• 1:13:28
  Speaker 4: Scenes in all of the films.
• 1:13:30
  Speaker 5: The only kind of contender which I actually didn't add
• 1:13:32
  Speaker 5: to this, which I think is another example, is actually
• 1:13:35
  Speaker 5: like the ending of Crimes of Grindlevald, not the ending ending,
• 1:13:40
  Speaker 5: but like the entire like like the the what do
• 1:13:45
  Speaker 5: we call like the meeting of them all and all that, Yeah,
• 1:13:50
  Speaker 5: that whole I didn't I didn't even think the rally,
• 1:13:52
  Speaker 5: I didn't even think to add that.
• 1:13:53
  Speaker 4: And then in the end with Nicholas Homel and their
• 1:13:56
  Speaker 4: wanes in the ground and like that.
• 1:13:57
  Speaker 5: Yeah, that's a whole other thing. But the op scenes
• 1:14:00
  Speaker 5: of these couple of films I think are literally.
• 1:14:03
  Speaker 4: Some of the best in the Wizarding World. And I know,
• 1:14:05
  Speaker 4: Tom you said that Secrets of Dumbledore.
• 1:14:07
  Speaker 5: I get it is sad, it is tragic, but it
• 1:14:09
  Speaker 5: is my god, is it a visual masterpiece?
• 1:14:13
  Speaker 2: And boy does it catch your attention?
• 1:14:15
  Speaker 5: Boy that yes, we are thrown right into it as
• 1:14:18
  Speaker 5: if it and and it's also too we just came
• 1:14:22
  Speaker 5: off this like, oh my god, of this scene of
• 1:14:25
  Speaker 5: you know, Dumbledore and Grounivald in the restaurant, and like
• 1:14:27
  Speaker 5: the emotion of that scene, and then we just go
• 1:14:30
  Speaker 5: right into this like yeah, but I'll go in chronological
• 1:14:34
  Speaker 5: order here, right, so let's jump back to Crimes of
• 1:14:35
  Speaker 5: grind Evald, right, Crimes of Grindivald, which that opening scene
• 1:14:40
  Speaker 5: of Crimes of Grindivald is my favorite opening in any
• 1:14:43
  Speaker 5: Wizarding World film. But here's there's going to be an
• 1:14:47
  Speaker 5: example here. I'll save it later for our next question.
• 1:14:50
  Speaker 5: This scene, I have some positive and some negatives, but
• 1:14:52
  Speaker 5: it's still my favorite scene. So I just love this scene.
• 1:14:56
  Speaker 5: I think the Thestraal cart, the Thestrals look just amazing
• 1:15:00
  Speaker 5: in this entire scene. Like if we want to talk
• 1:15:03
  Speaker 5: about realism, like, there is nothing about that scene with
• 1:15:07
  Speaker 5: the theestral cart flying through that.
• 1:15:09
  Speaker 4: Looks fake to me whatsoever.
• 1:15:13
  Speaker 5: So I love how the Thestrals look on the cart,
• 1:15:16
  Speaker 5: the wizards on the brooms following them, looks amazing.
• 1:15:19
  Speaker 4: Again, We've talked about apparition. The apparition in the scene
• 1:15:22
  Speaker 4: looks amazing.
• 1:15:24
  Speaker 5: We've talked about transformations, Right, the transformation of Grindevald into
• 1:15:27
  Speaker 5: Abernathy into the part looks absolutely amazing. And then juxtaposing
• 1:15:33
  Speaker 5: that with how smoothly Abernathy changes into Grindovald, right because
• 1:15:37
  Speaker 5: Grenivald is such a powerful wizard, so of course he
• 1:15:41
  Speaker 5: wouldn't have this like distortion, kind of contusion kind of transformation.
• 1:15:46
  Speaker 5: He just so effortlessly turns into to Grendelvald and it
• 1:15:51
  Speaker 5: doesn't look weird though, Like it just to me, it
• 1:15:54
  Speaker 5: just kind of makes sense. I think, like the way,
• 1:15:57
  Speaker 5: you know, we get Grindivald that then he comes know,
• 1:16:00
  Speaker 5: is on the top of the carriage and does his
• 1:16:02
  Speaker 5: little magic and the ropes turn into the snakes, like
• 1:16:04
  Speaker 5: looks so real to me, just the whole background of
• 1:16:08
  Speaker 5: that scene, the storm, the lightning strikes that Grindavald condures up,
• 1:16:14
  Speaker 5: and how they hit people like it just like it's
• 1:16:17
  Speaker 5: obviously all cgi.
• 1:16:19
  Speaker 4: But it just it looks so real. Yes, yes, and
• 1:16:24
  Speaker 4: them underwater.
• 1:16:25
  Speaker 5: Speaking of creatures, I think Antonio looks great in this
• 1:16:29
  Speaker 5: entire scene and looks so real.
• 1:16:34
  Speaker 2: Something.
• 1:16:34
  Speaker 4: Yeah, I just love this scene.
• 1:16:36
  Speaker 1: I think it's so interesting because, like earlier we talked
• 1:16:39
  Speaker 1: about comparing Harry Potter and Fantastic Beats CGI and how
• 1:16:46
  Speaker 1: usually they look like very much on par This is
• 1:16:49
  Speaker 1: like one of the only instances where I think, well,
• 1:16:54
  Speaker 1: I don't know if only, but like one of the
• 1:16:56
  Speaker 1: very few instances where I feel like Fantastic Beasts did
• 1:17:00
  Speaker 1: do something better. And that is if you look at
• 1:17:04
  Speaker 1: the Boboton carriage versus the Thestraal carriage, the difference is
• 1:17:11
  Speaker 1: like astronomical, which is so funny because we've talked so
• 1:17:15
  Speaker 1: much about how they're very much the same. That's like
• 1:17:19
  Speaker 1: one of those things that where you look at the
• 1:17:20
  Speaker 1: two side by side and you're like, oh wow, yeah,
• 1:17:26
  Speaker 1: time has passed.
• 1:17:28
  Speaker 5: I mean again, could it be because again we have
• 1:17:31
  Speaker 5: another scene that's set in like a darker tone, and
• 1:17:34
  Speaker 5: so maybe it's able to hide that a little bit again.
• 1:17:36
  Speaker 5: But I think I do think some of it though,
• 1:17:39
  Speaker 5: is the advancement of technology as well.
• 1:17:41
  Speaker 1: All Thatifire is one of the earlier films, maybe if
• 1:17:44
  Speaker 1: that scene had been in like Deathly Hallows.
• 1:17:47
  Speaker 5: Wait, because if we compare what's a similar scene to this,
• 1:17:51
  Speaker 5: right that we get and definitely like we get the
• 1:17:54
  Speaker 5: is it called the Battle of the Seven Potter is like,
• 1:17:57
  Speaker 5: that's a very similar theme, right where we have this
• 1:17:59
  Speaker 5: kind of sky battle and then yeah, and then the
• 1:18:04
  Speaker 5: festals later, but we get this sky battle kind of thing,
• 1:18:07
  Speaker 5: and I think that I do think that Crimes of
• 1:18:09
  Speaker 5: Grindaval does it better. But it's also not that the
• 1:18:12
  Speaker 5: scene in and Harry Potter is bad, but I think
• 1:18:15
  Speaker 5: that those are much more comparable to them, right, Yeah,
• 1:18:18
  Speaker 5: when we see other scenes of like floating carriages that
• 1:18:21
  Speaker 5: look a little like fake, where this opening scene of
• 1:18:25
  Speaker 5: Crimes of Grindaval just looks like we're watching this and
• 1:18:28
  Speaker 5: I remember watching it in the theater and just like
• 1:18:31
  Speaker 5: the visuals, I mean, the soundtrack there too just gets
• 1:18:33
  Speaker 5: you all in.
• 1:18:34
  Speaker 4: It's just my heart starts.
• 1:18:35
  Speaker 3: Raising possible.
• 1:18:40
  Speaker 5: And you're like, wow, how can we get more sky
• 1:18:43
  Speaker 5: battle scenes? Like, let's just create more because it just
• 1:18:46
  Speaker 5: looks so cool. But yeah, I think like, yeah, I
• 1:18:51
  Speaker 5: even put in here like Abernathy's little tongue split coming
• 1:18:54
  Speaker 5: out that even looks real.
• 1:18:58
  Speaker 4: They just did such a good job with it.
• 1:19:01
  Speaker 5: And then also I had in here the opening scene
• 1:19:03
  Speaker 5: of Secrets of Dumbledore, which we've obviously referenced, and it's
• 1:19:06
  Speaker 5: really like that in first entire ten minutes of the film.
• 1:19:09
  Speaker 5: I love. So we like have that first end scene
• 1:19:12
  Speaker 5: with them in the restaurant that then transitions into it
• 1:19:15
  Speaker 5: like erupts in the flames, and I think that looks
• 1:19:17
  Speaker 5: really cool. And then just the whole scene with Newt
• 1:19:23
  Speaker 5: and Rosier and Credence and the other Grindovald cronies that
• 1:19:28
  Speaker 5: are there with the chillins and like I know I
• 1:19:33
  Speaker 5: talked about like the way Avatta Cadavra looks in these scenes.
• 1:19:36
  Speaker 5: It's being great, but also then that protective charm that
• 1:19:40
  Speaker 5: Newt puts up, and it just looks so cool, Like
• 1:19:42
  Speaker 5: it just reminds me so much of like a nervous
• 1:19:45
  Speaker 5: system or like electricity because it's like all stringy, but
• 1:19:49
  Speaker 5: it just it looks so cool in that scene because
• 1:19:52
  Speaker 5: the scene is so dark, right because it's at night
• 1:19:54
  Speaker 5: in a forest, and then you just have the glow
• 1:19:56
  Speaker 5: of these like strings from that the spell I think
• 1:20:00
  Speaker 5: looks cool. It's like branches of the spell. And then
• 1:20:06
  Speaker 5: kind of the next scene there we've got new you know,
• 1:20:08
  Speaker 5: holding the Chilean.
• 1:20:11
  Speaker 4: Again.
• 1:20:12
  Speaker 5: I do think this is a really good example of
• 1:20:14
  Speaker 5: it doesn't look like he's holding not holding something like
• 1:20:18
  Speaker 5: it looks like he is truly like holding this. Obviously
• 1:20:20
  Speaker 5: the Chilean is CGI, but it looks very real as
• 1:20:25
  Speaker 5: he's running through the forest.
• 1:20:27
  Speaker 4: And then we've got like the case, you know.
• 1:20:30
  Speaker 5: Sprouting the arms and the legs and running along with
• 1:20:33
  Speaker 5: him that I think looks really great. And then here's
• 1:20:37
  Speaker 5: where we get our like bad guys like flying through
• 1:20:39
  Speaker 5: the air that I think again looks great.
• 1:20:44
  Speaker 4: And then I love like where they then like.
• 1:20:46
  Speaker 5: Pan up above the trees and you just see the
• 1:20:49
  Speaker 5: spells like shooting through the trees, like I think that
• 1:20:52
  Speaker 5: looks really cool. And then the other thing I had
• 1:20:55
  Speaker 5: here was again harpening back to Picket. And then in
• 1:20:58
  Speaker 5: that scene when like when New is in the water,
• 1:21:01
  Speaker 5: you see Picket like treading on the top of the water,
• 1:21:04
  Speaker 5: and that is such a cool scene because you've got
• 1:21:07
  Speaker 5: water that looks real like it doesn't look like I
• 1:21:12
  Speaker 5: don't think real whatever, right, Like it doesn't look like
• 1:21:15
  Speaker 5: CGI water like you if you told me that that's
• 1:21:18
  Speaker 5: not CGI water, like I would believe you, which maybe
• 1:21:20
  Speaker 5: it isn't, like maybe they really did film water. And
• 1:21:23
  Speaker 5: then put Picket in there in CGI, or maybe it
• 1:21:26
  Speaker 5: is all CGI, but it's that good that you can't tell.
• 1:21:30
  Speaker 5: But you literally have Picket like treading water and it
• 1:21:32
  Speaker 5: literally looks like an animatronic like treading the water, and
• 1:21:36
  Speaker 5: then he climbs out like onto the rocks, and it
• 1:21:39
  Speaker 5: just it looks so good, like they just did such
• 1:21:41
  Speaker 5: a good job with that whole scene and it's so
• 1:21:44
  Speaker 5: real and it's so believable, and.
• 1:21:47
  Speaker 3: Yeah, I need to watch it.
• 1:21:49
  Speaker 4: I just love those two things.
• 1:21:50
  Speaker 3: Yeah, I need to pack up enough courage and watch
• 1:21:53
  Speaker 3: it again.
• 1:21:55
  Speaker 4: It's so sad, but it's just so it's so good
• 1:21:58
  Speaker 4: and it's just like I, yeah.
• 1:22:03
  Speaker 3: It doesn't even end, go back and watching. It's like
• 1:22:06
  Speaker 3: minutes after that's just the other killing gets you know,
• 1:22:10
  Speaker 3: he cuts its throat out, Grenda Walla cuts its throat out,
• 1:22:14
  Speaker 3: and it's like, you know, it's.
• 1:22:16
  Speaker 4: Like that happens later, not later.
• 1:22:21
  Speaker 3: No, No, it's not.
• 1:22:22
  Speaker 4: It's like it's like the net because they take it
• 1:22:23
  Speaker 4: in the bay.
• 1:22:24
  Speaker 3: It's like the scene right, yes, yes, yeah, sorry, you
• 1:22:28
  Speaker 3: know That's why I have to rewatch it because I'm
• 1:22:30
  Speaker 3: just thinking about trauma, trauma points in the traumatic skipping
• 1:22:35
  Speaker 3: through all of the other moments mm hmm.
• 1:22:38
  Speaker 5: But the trauma of the scene is kind of like
• 1:22:41
  Speaker 5: what makes it such a like scene? Yeah, they did
• 1:22:43
  Speaker 5: a cinemographical masterpiece. Like there's a reason why I really
• 1:22:49
  Speaker 5: like like darker middle chapters or like films that are
• 1:22:52
  Speaker 5: like darker or more drama or more like there's are
• 1:22:55
  Speaker 5: also a reason why I like horror, Like all of
• 1:22:57
  Speaker 5: these scenes capture those types of things that you feel
• 1:23:01
  Speaker 5: that you see in those types of films. So, but yeah,
• 1:23:05
  Speaker 5: those opening scenes like in both of those films like
• 1:23:08
  Speaker 5: really are like, in my opinion, like works of art.
• 1:23:13
  Speaker 3: I'd say it's probably the darkest opening in any Wizarding
• 1:23:16
  Speaker 3: World movie for sure.
• 1:23:18
  Speaker 5: Oh yeah, the Secrets of Dumbledore absolutely absolutely Yeah. We
• 1:23:24
  Speaker 5: literally watched like three, like multiple murders, like are New
• 1:23:30
  Speaker 5: running for his life as these like bad guys are
• 1:23:33
  Speaker 5: chasing It's yeah, it's.
• 1:23:35
  Speaker 4: Very mm hmm.
• 1:23:37
  Speaker 1: So I have a few from Secrets of Dumbledore that
• 1:23:42
  Speaker 1: I feel like are very like epic scenes. The and
• 1:23:48
  Speaker 1: I know we mentioned earlier this duel between Credence and Alvis,
• 1:23:55
  Speaker 1: like in the middle of the streets in Paris. I
• 1:23:58
  Speaker 1: love this scene so much much because there's so much
• 1:24:01
  Speaker 1: happening here right like when it opens and they're talking
• 1:24:05
  Speaker 1: to each other, and we're getting these like medium shots
• 1:24:08
  Speaker 1: of like both characters and it's like going.
• 1:24:11
  Speaker 2: Back and forth behind them in the background.
• 1:24:16
  Speaker 1: It's funny because you don't really notice it unless you're
• 1:24:18
  Speaker 1: like looking closely, but like all the people walking are
• 1:24:21
  Speaker 1: in slow mo, all the cars moving are in slow mo.
• 1:24:26
  Speaker 1: So it like creates this moment of like when you're
• 1:24:28
  Speaker 1: watching it, something's off in the moment, but like until.
• 1:24:33
  Speaker 2: You like notice that it's not. It's like one of
• 1:24:36
  Speaker 2: those weird tricks I guess of movie making. But that's
• 1:24:41
  Speaker 2: really cool. And then when the Phoenix comes in and
• 1:24:44
  Speaker 2: it like.
• 1:24:45
  Speaker 1: Burns the pavement around Credence and it's like those burn't
• 1:24:50
  Speaker 1: fractured pieces that like pull up with Credence as he
• 1:24:53
  Speaker 1: starts running to like throw them at Elbus. And then
• 1:25:00
  Speaker 1: just the way like the buildings get destroyed as he's
• 1:25:04
  Speaker 1: running through, and it's like he's pulling pieces of the
• 1:25:07
  Speaker 1: building off and they're like swirling like in and.
• 1:25:11
  Speaker 2: Like up towards him, just like the way they did.
• 1:25:14
  Speaker 2: The motion is so cool. And then of course you
• 1:25:19
  Speaker 2: get that mirror dimension moment, which is like so so
• 1:25:25
  Speaker 2: cool of like everything is it's like blurred out, and then.
• 1:25:33
  Speaker 3: You see like the.
• 1:25:34
  Speaker 1: Reflection of actual Paris in the puddle that Credence is
• 1:25:38
  Speaker 1: laying in. It's just overall like that whole scene is
• 1:25:43
  Speaker 1: just so well done. I feel like when we talk
• 1:25:49
  Speaker 1: about the Dumbledore Valdemort duel of the Harry Potter films,
• 1:25:54
  Speaker 1: this is that moment of the Fantastic Beast films.
• 1:25:58
  Speaker 2: This is like that like Dellar like show piece of
• 1:26:02
  Speaker 2: the films.
• 1:26:04
  Speaker 3: It's cool because it kind of recaps things that you've
• 1:26:06
  Speaker 3: seen in the previous films, like buildings getting destroyed. You
• 1:26:10
  Speaker 3: see that in both Crimes and Grindawole and the First
• 1:26:13
  Speaker 3: Fantastic Piece, and you the subway scene. You know, like
• 1:26:17
  Speaker 3: those scenes just kind of like everything has led up
• 1:26:20
  Speaker 3: to that moment, so they're kind of like using all
• 1:26:22
  Speaker 3: of that and putting it and putting it like a
• 1:26:25
  Speaker 3: final bow to it, like a and it's just like
• 1:26:28
  Speaker 3: all in one place, which makes it super epic as well.
• 1:26:32
  Speaker 3: So yeah, it's again I have to rewatch it again
• 1:26:36
  Speaker 3: because it's been a long time since I since I
• 1:26:38
  Speaker 3: saw it, but yeah, but from what I remember, it
• 1:26:41
  Speaker 3: was phenomenal.
• 1:26:44
  Speaker 2: Yeah, and then my other scene that comes to mind
• 1:26:48
  Speaker 2: is the candidate's dinner. In that third film, you have Jacob.
• 1:26:53
  Speaker 1: Who like conjures the storm, but we know it's not
• 1:26:57
  Speaker 1: really Jacob conjuring the storm.
• 1:27:00
  Speaker 2: So I actually watched a really.
• 1:27:02
  Speaker 1: Cool behind the scenes video about this scene, and every
• 1:27:06
  Speaker 1: single prop that was in that scene they had to
• 1:27:09
  Speaker 1: scan so that they could make it fly around in
• 1:27:11
  Speaker 1: the storm. So like all the plates, the tablecloths, the
• 1:27:16
  Speaker 1: floral arrangements, all the cutlery, like each little individual piece
• 1:27:24
  Speaker 1: of food on the plates, like they had like sticks
• 1:27:26
  Speaker 1: of asparagus, and they had to scan like every little
• 1:27:30
  Speaker 1: thing so that they could make it hole up and
• 1:27:34
  Speaker 1: enter the storm.
• 1:27:36
  Speaker 2: So that's really cool.
• 1:27:38
  Speaker 3: Yeah, that's what makes you love a film even more
• 1:27:41
  Speaker 3: to see the amount of dedication and love and effort
• 1:27:45
  Speaker 3: that's behind all of that final product, because if they
• 1:27:48
  Speaker 3: just threw everything into let's say an AI software or
• 1:27:53
  Speaker 3: something like you know, because we see, you know, there
• 1:27:56
  Speaker 3: are commercials now that are completely done. There's been this
• 1:27:58
  Speaker 3: whole outrage about Iccola making an ad made entirely by
• 1:28:03
  Speaker 3: AI and just you know, that lack of not that
• 1:28:07
  Speaker 3: they will be bad end products, but that luck, lack
• 1:28:10
  Speaker 3: of you know, effort and that lack of like human craftsmanship,
• 1:28:16
  Speaker 3: you can tell it's not the same. And when you
• 1:28:19
  Speaker 3: hear all of this, like you're saying, like they had
• 1:28:21
  Speaker 3: to scan each and every single item, every plate, every
• 1:28:24
  Speaker 3: piece of like every piece of food, like everything, and
• 1:28:28
  Speaker 3: just see how much time that must have taken. But
• 1:28:31
  Speaker 3: it just makes you appreciate it so much more and
• 1:28:35
  Speaker 3: just see it also with brand new eyes too, because
• 1:28:37
  Speaker 3: the next time you see you're like, oh my god,
• 1:28:39
  Speaker 3: look at all of this that they had to do
• 1:28:42
  Speaker 3: to come up with this final result. And it's not easy,
• 1:28:46
  Speaker 3: Like because that scene in particular, there's so much going
• 1:28:49
  Speaker 3: on again and I feel this is a constant and
• 1:28:51
  Speaker 3: all the fantastic piece film, there's a lot going on
• 1:28:54
  Speaker 3: in the same scene. And it's not just you know,
• 1:28:57
  Speaker 3: throwing spells at each other. There are things flying around,
• 1:29:00
  Speaker 3: there are people operating, They are magical creatures also in
• 1:29:04
  Speaker 3: the background.
• 1:29:05
  Speaker 1: Like wineglasses refilling. Yes, just like all this random stuff happening.
• 1:29:12
  Speaker 5: Yeah, well, and like that has the potential to get
• 1:29:15
  Speaker 5: really messy if there's not that like attention to detail.
• 1:29:19
  Speaker 4: And I think that's where you'll see the difference between like.
• 1:29:24
  Speaker 5: Real people like doing things like you mentioned amy, like
• 1:29:27
  Speaker 5: scanning every little thing so that they're able to then
• 1:29:30
  Speaker 5: kind of then control how everything moves in that scene
• 1:29:35
  Speaker 5: versus having.
• 1:29:36
  Speaker 4: Like AI just put it all together.
• 1:29:38
  Speaker 5: I think it would look like much more of a
• 1:29:40
  Speaker 5: chaotic scene than having like, yeah, a human be behind that.
• 1:29:44
  Speaker 3: Yeah.
• 1:29:46
  Speaker 1: So in this scene, this is also the same scene
• 1:29:49
  Speaker 1: where we get Lally's paper bridge that she makes out
• 1:29:52
  Speaker 1: of her book, and they explained how they did this.
• 1:29:57
  Speaker 1: So they made a ramp on set because it's like bridge.
• 1:30:00
  Speaker 1: Lolly's on one side, Jacob's on the other, and she's
• 1:30:03
  Speaker 1: kind of creating it so that he can get to
• 1:30:05
  Speaker 1: her so they can disapparate. So they made the ramp
• 1:30:09
  Speaker 1: on set and they covered the ramp in foam padding
• 1:30:13
  Speaker 1: so that when the actors ran on the foam, their
• 1:30:16
  Speaker 1: feet were like compressing into the foam like it would
• 1:30:21
  Speaker 1: if they were stepping on paper. So when we get
• 1:30:24
  Speaker 1: those close ups of their feet syncing into the pages
• 1:30:27
  Speaker 1: of the paper bridge, it looks so much better than
• 1:30:30
  Speaker 1: if they were to run on like a solid platform.
• 1:30:34
  Speaker 5: It's like what we were, like we mentioned earlier with
• 1:30:36
  Speaker 5: the weight and like show and having the detailed in
• 1:30:39
  Speaker 5: the breathing. Yeah, and showing like what would it actually
• 1:30:43
  Speaker 5: look like if someone were running on that, And again
• 1:30:45
  Speaker 5: that's exactly what makes that very cgi seen look very real.
• 1:30:54
  Speaker 3: Yeah. And also another example of this is like the
• 1:30:57
  Speaker 3: button scene, the whole like again speaking of chaos, there's
• 1:31:03
  Speaker 3: you know, wizards dueling, there are magical objects flying, there's
• 1:31:08
  Speaker 3: like so much going on. It's such a good you know,
• 1:31:10
  Speaker 3: I didn't mention this one in the doc, but it
• 1:31:12
  Speaker 3: just came up and because I remember from what you
• 1:31:15
  Speaker 3: said from this dinner from this dinner scene, and it's
• 1:31:19
  Speaker 3: kind of like in the same vein, and it's so
• 1:31:23
  Speaker 3: well done. It's so well executed. And again there's a
• 1:31:26
  Speaker 3: lot of practical and there's a lot of you know,
• 1:31:31
  Speaker 3: choreographic acrobatics that they had to do as well. But
• 1:31:37
  Speaker 3: all of those pieces, when you put them together, make
• 1:31:39
  Speaker 3: for these you know, amazing scenes that you know, feel
• 1:31:43
  Speaker 3: real at the end of the day. Just but just
• 1:31:46
  Speaker 3: it's just knowing how to merge them and to create
• 1:31:50
  Speaker 3: that seamless effects. That's also great, A great one that
• 1:31:55
  Speaker 3: I thought of.
• 1:31:57
  Speaker 2: Yeah, Yeah, that is a good one.
• 1:32:01
  Speaker 3: Yeah. One and one that sticks out to me too, Nicole.
• 1:32:05
  Speaker 3: You mentioned this earlier, but it's the showdown between here
• 1:32:08
  Speaker 3: and the world and the heroes during the rally scene.
• 1:32:12
  Speaker 3: I just absolutely love that scene. You know, the flames,
• 1:32:17
  Speaker 3: the blue flames, and you know, there's so much again,
• 1:32:20
  Speaker 3: so much going on there and people are disintegrating, and
• 1:32:26
  Speaker 3: it's just so it's such an emotionally charged scene and
• 1:32:31
  Speaker 3: it can easily, like we've been saying, it can easily
• 1:32:35
  Speaker 3: just be ruined if it's not done well like it
• 1:32:40
  Speaker 3: can be, or it can look too cartoonish, or it
• 1:32:42
  Speaker 3: can kind of like throw people off. But I feel
• 1:32:45
  Speaker 3: like this one, especially, you know, the whole everything, like
• 1:32:50
  Speaker 3: the whole compound of just all the elements mixed and merged,
• 1:32:56
  Speaker 3: it just looks so so good. You know, Leada unfortunately
• 1:33:02
  Speaker 3: disintegrates and you know, you just feel it. It's that
• 1:33:06
  Speaker 3: that transition is also so well done. And again it's
• 1:33:09
  Speaker 3: just it it's so well done, I think because of
• 1:33:13
  Speaker 3: how emotional scene is and how it makes you feel
• 1:33:15
  Speaker 3: as well, and it's one of those scenes that you
• 1:33:18
  Speaker 3: feel like it's super like epic and it's Yeah, it's
• 1:33:22
  Speaker 3: definitely one of my my favorite scenes. It's pretty much
• 1:33:26
  Speaker 3: up there with the with the opening scene and Crimes
• 1:33:30
  Speaker 3: and Grindwal but I love that scene. It's so good.
• 1:33:34
  Speaker 2: It's really good, and like how the visions from the.
• 1:33:43
  Speaker 1: Hook it like merges into it so well and it
• 1:33:48
  Speaker 1: doesn't look like out of place, like somehow how they
• 1:33:52
  Speaker 1: did it, Like in the smoke it just.
• 1:33:54
  Speaker 2: Looked really good.
• 1:33:55
  Speaker 3: Mm hmmm hmm.
• 1:34:01
  Speaker 1: So those are all the moments we loved, but of course,
• 1:34:05
  Speaker 1: like with anything, there are moments that fall short. One
• 1:34:09
  Speaker 1: of those for me is the blind Pig scene. The
• 1:34:15
  Speaker 1: jazz singer, the elf jazz singer. Something about her just
• 1:34:20
  Speaker 1: looks so fake, Like it's very fluid, it's.
• 1:34:25
  Speaker 2: Too shiny, I don't know, something is just really yes
• 1:34:30
  Speaker 2: it is.
• 1:34:31
  Speaker 4: And it's like, where did we go wrong?
• 1:34:32
  Speaker 5: Because this isn't the first time we've had digitally created
• 1:34:36
  Speaker 5: else right, I mean if you compare her to Dobby again,
• 1:34:41
  Speaker 5: like let's talk about all the years in between there.
• 1:34:45
  Speaker 5: I just like, like Dobby and like Creature especially just
• 1:34:49
  Speaker 5: looks so good and like what went wrong here? It's
• 1:34:53
  Speaker 5: like I think it's an example of like when the
• 1:34:55
  Speaker 5: technology has become so advanced and that when she then
• 1:35:00
  Speaker 5: starts to look fake because the technology is too advanced
• 1:35:05
  Speaker 5: and so it looks fake, and it's just yeah, this
• 1:35:09
  Speaker 5: whole scene.
• 1:35:09
  Speaker 1: Just like and like, I love the idea of having
• 1:35:13
  Speaker 1: a non human jazz singer. I think that sounds funny too,
• 1:35:17
  Speaker 1: but something about her just looks.
• 1:35:19
  Speaker 3: It could be that it's missing that human element, because
• 1:35:22
  Speaker 3: both Creature and Debby were built from having people these
• 1:35:28
  Speaker 3: actors come in and it was modeled after their expressions.
• 1:35:32
  Speaker 3: So I wonder if it's such a blink you know,
• 1:35:35
  Speaker 3: like a blink of an eye moment, that it's so
• 1:35:38
  Speaker 3: quick that they didn't even think it would be necessary,
• 1:35:41
  Speaker 3: so they just put a CGI generated elf and just
• 1:35:45
  Speaker 3: you know, wet with it. But it does look you know,
• 1:35:48
  Speaker 3: it does really look weird, and it looks more like
• 1:35:52
  Speaker 3: a video game, and that's what you don't want because
• 1:35:55
  Speaker 3: even if it's CGI, you want it to look realistic.
• 1:35:58
  Speaker 3: But if it's all starts falling into that kind of
• 1:36:00
  Speaker 3: like video gamish category, that's where you say, no, this
• 1:36:03
  Speaker 3: is not good. Yeah.
• 1:36:06
  Speaker 4: So I think if that scene was it was in
• 1:36:08
  Speaker 4: a video game, it would look great.
• 1:36:10
  Speaker 5: If that scene was in a fully CGI animated film,
• 1:36:14
  Speaker 5: it would look great.
• 1:36:15
  Speaker 2: Yeah.
• 1:36:15
  Speaker 5: And I think again the problem is is that we
• 1:36:18
  Speaker 5: have seen elves before, and so it just then really
• 1:36:23
  Speaker 5: like to me, I think that just makes it stand
• 1:36:25
  Speaker 5: out that much more because of how different it looks.
• 1:36:29
  Speaker 5: And we're in the same universe and we talked about
• 1:36:31
  Speaker 5: consistency earlier, and yes, I know the technology is better,
• 1:36:34
  Speaker 5: but like the elves should look the same, and it's
• 1:36:38
  Speaker 5: just yeah, it just it does look like.
• 1:36:40
  Speaker 4: A scene from a video game. Unfortunately.
• 1:36:42
  Speaker 5: Yes, yeah, yeah, something I put here is again, like
• 1:36:50
  Speaker 5: I mentioned, is something that we've already touched on a lot,
• 1:36:53
  Speaker 5: and you guys have actually touched on it in a
• 1:36:55
  Speaker 5: very positive way. So I guess I'm going to be
• 1:36:58
  Speaker 5: the one to I guess maybe shed light on the
• 1:37:00
  Speaker 5: opposite end.
• 1:37:02
  Speaker 4: But there are some times where I think that when we.
• 1:37:06
  Speaker 5: Have an actor that has to act directly with a
• 1:37:10
  Speaker 5: CGI creature and we see that interaction up close, we
• 1:37:15
  Speaker 5: see the CGI falling like a little short. So there's
• 1:37:18
  Speaker 5: plenty of examples where I think this doesn't happen. And
• 1:37:21
  Speaker 5: like we've mentioned before, like with Pickett, I think looks
• 1:37:25
  Speaker 5: really great. I mentioned too, like Antonio and like that
• 1:37:30
  Speaker 5: whole scene in the carriage, and even like when Grindelwald
• 1:37:34
  Speaker 5: is holding Antonio and interacting with Antonio, Like if you
• 1:37:38
  Speaker 5: really look at that up close, it literally looks like
• 1:37:40
  Speaker 5: Johnny is holding this thing and I and again this,
• 1:37:43
  Speaker 5: and I don't know if it's just yeah again like
• 1:37:47
  Speaker 5: the prop that they use in that moment, if it's
• 1:37:50
  Speaker 5: the actor themselves, Like, I don't know what the difference is,
• 1:37:53
  Speaker 5: but there's a couple scenes where it kind of is
• 1:37:56
  Speaker 5: a little jarring to me in the same way that
• 1:37:59
  Speaker 5: we kind of see the Harry Potter films, like when
• 1:38:01
  Speaker 5: Harry like Pet's buckbeak, it's like kind of similar. So
• 1:38:07
  Speaker 5: so I know I mentioned that, you know the cgi
• 1:38:09
  Speaker 5: of the Chillen's and that whole scene looks really good. However,
• 1:38:13
  Speaker 5: there is part of that scene where we see New
• 1:38:15
  Speaker 5: like placing his hand on like the chillen, and that
• 1:38:19
  Speaker 5: like doesn't there's something about that, like you can tell
• 1:38:23
  Speaker 5: that like Eddie doesn't have his hand on a chillen
• 1:38:29
  Speaker 5: because obviously he doesn't, right. I think sometimes they don't
• 1:38:33
  Speaker 5: do the best at like closing that like air gap
• 1:38:36
  Speaker 5: that wondn't be there if you truly had your hand
• 1:38:39
  Speaker 5: on an animal.
• 1:38:40
  Speaker 4: So that stands out to me. And then similarly, like
• 1:38:43
  Speaker 4: later in.
• 1:38:44
  Speaker 5: That scene when New is lying down on like the
• 1:38:47
  Speaker 5: mother Chillen's like body, something about that like to me,
• 1:38:53
  Speaker 5: it looks like Eddie as the actor is just laying
• 1:38:58
  Speaker 5: on like probably some just he's right, he's not laying
• 1:39:03
  Speaker 5: on an animal, and I think you can see it,
• 1:39:09
  Speaker 5: so I think that it's But what's interesting about this too, though,
• 1:39:13
  Speaker 5: is in that same scene we see like I had
• 1:39:16
  Speaker 5: already mentioned that, like when new is running through the
• 1:39:19
  Speaker 5: forest and holding the chillin, I don't see. I don't
• 1:39:22
  Speaker 5: feel the same way. And I think also later in
• 1:39:25
  Speaker 5: that scene when we see you know, Grendavald's cronies, they're
• 1:39:28
  Speaker 5: like taking the baby chillin and putting it into the sack.
• 1:39:31
  Speaker 5: I think this also looks real and I don't see
• 1:39:34
  Speaker 5: that like that gap of them not holding something. So
• 1:39:38
  Speaker 5: again it's like really interesting how it just sometimes it
• 1:39:44
  Speaker 5: looks weird and sometimes it doesn't. And obviously there's something
• 1:39:47
  Speaker 5: different about the way that those scenes are shot that
• 1:39:51
  Speaker 5: makes it look different. But I think it's hard because
• 1:39:56
  Speaker 5: it's almost like this lack of consistency with how it looks,
• 1:39:59
  Speaker 5: so like the moment it's where it's not as fluid
• 1:40:02
  Speaker 5: and as seamless like stand out to me a little
• 1:40:05
  Speaker 5: bit more because there's other scenes where it is a
• 1:40:07
  Speaker 5: lot more fluid, and seamless, if that makes sense. But
• 1:40:14
  Speaker 5: I think it's a hard balance to have, right, because
• 1:40:17
  Speaker 5: you have somebody directly interacting with like the feather.
• 1:40:21
  Speaker 4: Or the fur of an animal that's not there.
• 1:40:25
  Speaker 5: Yeah, But that's where I think practical affects help because
• 1:40:30
  Speaker 5: then you know you could have like I think of
• 1:40:33
  Speaker 5: like having the buckbeak head right, and you can film
• 1:40:37
  Speaker 5: like the actor having their hand literally on feathers, and
• 1:40:44
  Speaker 5: so then when you then put that in the film,
• 1:40:47
  Speaker 5: you're not having to put a real hand into a
• 1:40:50
  Speaker 5: CGI created thing. It's literally on something, And I think
• 1:40:54
  Speaker 5: that's then when it looks better. This happens in a
• 1:40:57
  Speaker 5: lot of other things as well, like when you have
• 1:41:00
  Speaker 5: I even think about anything I watch that has like dragons,
• 1:41:04
  Speaker 5: and you've got the actors having to pet the dragons
• 1:41:08
  Speaker 5: unless they unless they film that actor literally petting a
• 1:41:13
  Speaker 5: practical thing. You always sometimes can kind of see that
• 1:41:16
  Speaker 5: gap or you think about like, okay, if I were
• 1:41:19
  Speaker 5: to really pet something spur right here, the fur would
• 1:41:22
  Speaker 5: like come in between my fingertips or like my hand
• 1:41:25
  Speaker 5: would kind of sink into it a little bit. Again,
• 1:41:27
  Speaker 5: I guess talking about that weight again, right, They don't
• 1:41:31
  Speaker 5: always fully capture the weight of what somebody's hand would
• 1:41:34
  Speaker 5: look like.
• 1:41:34
  Speaker 3: But yeah, the same film. They did that with the
• 1:41:39
  Speaker 3: papers with you know, right, but it's something so little
• 1:41:44
  Speaker 3: that nobody would have noticed probably, But then for something
• 1:41:47
  Speaker 3: that's so pivotal, that's so important in that scene and
• 1:41:51
  Speaker 3: not conveying it the same way is a little off putting. Again,
• 1:41:56
  Speaker 3: it could be different studios handling different creatures, uh scenes.
• 1:42:01
  Speaker 3: Obviously it's not all done by the same studio, so
• 1:42:04
  Speaker 3: oh yeah, the studios is Yeah, that's it. I think
• 1:42:11
  Speaker 3: that's where the issue kind of like the bottom line is.
• 1:42:15
  Speaker 3: But yeah, definitely, it's it's a little it's interesting to
• 1:42:19
  Speaker 3: think when you see these differences in the same film
• 1:42:23
  Speaker 3: because that's what really kind of like that's what makes
• 1:42:26
  Speaker 3: it makes the jarring and just you know, it's like,
• 1:42:31
  Speaker 3: did they run out of budget, did a run out
• 1:42:33
  Speaker 3: of time?
• 1:42:34
  Speaker 4: Out of time?
• 1:42:35
  Speaker 3: Yeah, what happened here?
• 1:42:37
  Speaker 4: You know.
• 1:42:38
  Speaker 3: It's a pity and it's not super huge, but it
• 1:42:41
  Speaker 3: does make you feel like, how could they put so
• 1:42:44
  Speaker 3: much effort into this and then not do it the
• 1:42:47
  Speaker 3: same to a scene that had a you know, much
• 1:42:50
  Speaker 3: more complished.
• 1:42:53
  Speaker 5: On it, Like you should have that level of detail.
• 1:42:58
  Speaker 4: And it's just I don't know what.
• 1:42:59
  Speaker 5: It could just be me being nitpicky, Like I'm super
• 1:43:02
  Speaker 5: curious if you guys end up going back and like
• 1:43:04
  Speaker 5: watching the films and then maybe noticing that if you've
• 1:43:06
  Speaker 5: never noticed it before. But like it is like I
• 1:43:10
  Speaker 5: mean literally the shot is of him like with his
• 1:43:13
  Speaker 5: hand on this and so like you are looking at it.
• 1:43:19
  Speaker 4: Yeah, yeah, yeah, but oh raw.
• 1:43:21
  Speaker 5: I mean I still love that scene. It's still like
• 1:43:23
  Speaker 5: one of my favorite scenes. But it's just, I think
• 1:43:25
  Speaker 5: because everything else about the scene is so well done
• 1:43:28
  Speaker 5: that the moments that like aren't as well done just
• 1:43:31
  Speaker 5: kind of stick out like a sore thumb.
• 1:43:39
  Speaker 4: But in like so similarly to this.
• 1:43:41
  Speaker 5: Like again, you know, I talked about how much I
• 1:43:43
  Speaker 5: really love that opening scene of Crimes of Grindelwald, and
• 1:43:45
  Speaker 5: that my love for that scene extends even beyond the
• 1:43:48
  Speaker 5: carriage scene. I mean, it starts from the beginning when
• 1:43:50
  Speaker 5: we see and we're going through the prison. But there's
• 1:43:54
  Speaker 5: a part of this scene that like really I don't like,
• 1:43:58
  Speaker 5: and it's when we have Grindelwald, you know how they
• 1:44:01
  Speaker 5: kind of they have him obviously under like control and
• 1:44:03
  Speaker 5: he's kind of like floating in their flying through the air,
• 1:44:08
  Speaker 5: and then we get that one close up scene of
• 1:44:12
  Speaker 5: like Johnny Depp like looking around, and it just does
• 1:44:16
  Speaker 5: not look good. It just looks fake. You can tell
• 1:44:20
  Speaker 5: that he's moving through a seed, you can tell that
• 1:44:22
  Speaker 5: it's Johnny's face, and then they put it in a
• 1:44:25
  Speaker 5: CGI environment and it just it just looks the lines
• 1:44:30
  Speaker 5: around him just it just does not look good, which
• 1:44:32
  Speaker 5: is so sad because the rest of that scene and
• 1:44:36
  Speaker 5: then once we get outside the prison, right, we just
• 1:44:38
  Speaker 5: talked about how is this cinematography masterpiece, but that one
• 1:44:42
  Speaker 5: little part, it's just when they do that zoom in
• 1:44:44
  Speaker 5: on his face looking around at everybody's cheering.
• 1:44:47
  Speaker 3: For him, it just looks so weird and unnecessary too,
• 1:44:52
  Speaker 3: Like it wasn't it wasn't necessary to include that you know,
• 1:44:57
  Speaker 3: magical aspect at that point where you know, two seconds
• 1:45:01
  Speaker 3: fifteen seconds later, we would have that massive scene of chaos,
• 1:45:05
  Speaker 3: Wizarding World chaos going on, like they could have just
• 1:45:09
  Speaker 3: you know, been taken him like any normal prisoner. I
• 1:45:15
  Speaker 3: think it's sometimes when they could have walked right, like
• 1:45:19
  Speaker 3: it's just pecking it further just for the sake of
• 1:45:22
  Speaker 3: doing it, and we're saying, hey, this is the Wizarding World,
• 1:45:24
  Speaker 3: by the way, in case you don't In case you
• 1:45:26
  Speaker 3: still don't know, we can do that.
• 1:45:28
  Speaker 5: It's right, Yeah, yeah, I mean him flying through is
• 1:45:32
  Speaker 5: not even what's really the best. The worst part of it,
• 1:45:34
  Speaker 5: Like that part isn't terrible to me. It's when they
• 1:45:37
  Speaker 5: do that close up shot of him looking around at
• 1:45:41
  Speaker 5: all the people cheering for him.
• 1:45:43
  Speaker 4: That's what then takes it out.
• 1:45:45
  Speaker 5: If they had kept that scene like pulled back like
• 1:45:49
  Speaker 5: they had it, it maybe wouldn't have been so bad.
• 1:45:52
  Speaker 5: It's like, why did we have to like do that
• 1:45:54
  Speaker 5: close up on his face and it's nothing towards like
• 1:45:57
  Speaker 5: Johnny's acting, Like, you know, I love Johnny up, but
• 1:46:00
  Speaker 5: it's just I think it's I think it's the Again,
• 1:46:03
  Speaker 5: I don't think it's his acting.
• 1:46:04
  Speaker 4: I think it's like.
• 1:46:06
  Speaker 5: Having a real face moving through a CGI environment that
• 1:46:11
  Speaker 5: just looks uncanny and so fake. And yeah, I don't
• 1:46:18
  Speaker 5: know how that passed, Like the cutting room, I don't know.
• 1:46:21
  Speaker 5: I think they could have just said, let's not do
• 1:46:23
  Speaker 5: that close up shot. Yeah, But other than that, I love,
• 1:46:27
  Speaker 5: you know, the entire the entirety of that scene. And
• 1:46:33
  Speaker 5: I think again, like that's exactly like we keep talking
• 1:46:35
  Speaker 5: about that. I think like some of the issues with
• 1:46:38
  Speaker 5: the special effects and Fantastic Beasts, and I guess this
• 1:46:41
  Speaker 5: is the same for Harry Potter as well, but I
• 1:46:43
  Speaker 5: think obviously Fantastic Beasts has a lot more CGI is
• 1:46:46
  Speaker 5: just again.
• 1:46:47
  Speaker 4: The inconsistent quality.
• 1:46:49
  Speaker 5: So sometimes we've got these really really really great scenes
• 1:46:53
  Speaker 5: and then we've got these other ones that just look
• 1:46:56
  Speaker 5: very cartoonish or video gamish and not great, and so
• 1:47:01
  Speaker 5: then it like really kind of diminishes the piece as
• 1:47:05
  Speaker 5: a whole as being this like CGI masterpiece, because again,
• 1:47:09
  Speaker 5: like you can't do something really really great and then
• 1:47:12
  Speaker 5: do another thing kind of poorly and not expect it
• 1:47:16
  Speaker 5: to stick out. And so I just think that they
• 1:47:20
  Speaker 5: unfortunately had to rely a little too much on full
• 1:47:24
  Speaker 5: CGI for certain scenes.
• 1:47:25
  Speaker 3: But that's when you in this film, that's when the
• 1:47:28
  Speaker 3: I think like they kind of like underestimate their audiences
• 1:47:32
  Speaker 3: sometimes because they're like, oh, this is just going to
• 1:47:35
  Speaker 3: be like, you know, nobody's going to perceive this, so
• 1:47:37
  Speaker 3: no one's going to notice this. But then they put
• 1:47:40
  Speaker 3: so much detail into other, you know, aspects of it,
• 1:47:44
  Speaker 3: and it's like very again, very inconsistent. Could be two
• 1:47:49
  Speaker 3: separate teams, you know, it's it's yeah, it definitely is
• 1:47:53
  Speaker 3: is about because the scene itself is amazing, Like you
• 1:47:56
  Speaker 3: guys said, it's one of the best, uh visual special
• 1:48:00
  Speaker 3: effects scenes in the whole franchise. So seeing those little details,
• 1:48:05
  Speaker 3: it's kind of like again it kind of like throws
• 1:48:07
  Speaker 3: you off and be like, you know, like I can
• 1:48:09
  Speaker 3: tell this is a green screen.
• 1:48:12
  Speaker 5: Yeah, I mean that's a good segue into like this
• 1:48:18
  Speaker 5: point here that you put in the doc Tom.
• 1:48:22
  Speaker 3: Yeah, so I think any scenes that involve Hogwarts, So
• 1:48:31
  Speaker 3: I don't know, I feel like I never fully like
• 1:48:33
  Speaker 3: I never understood why they had to use green screen
• 1:48:36
  Speaker 3: to film in the Great Hall to begin with, because
• 1:48:39
  Speaker 3: it's standing in full form at the studio tour. Again,
• 1:48:44
  Speaker 3: I understand it's a studio tour. It's an attraction.
• 1:48:46
  Speaker 2: Now it down for a couple of days.
• 1:48:49
  Speaker 3: Click, yes, you can close it down even film you know,
• 1:48:53
  Speaker 3: over and overnight, Like we're paying these actors millions of dollars.
• 1:48:56
  Speaker 3: They can you know, they're not you know, they can
• 1:49:00
  Speaker 3: you know, pull an old nighter and work.
• 1:49:02
  Speaker 5: And so what it's like you talked about in the
• 1:49:04
  Speaker 5: studio Tour episode, right, like that is still like that
• 1:49:07
  Speaker 5: part of that tour is still a like it's ready
• 1:49:10
  Speaker 5: to be a fully functioning set at any time, so
• 1:49:13
  Speaker 5: that they can't even say the excuse of it being well,
• 1:49:16
  Speaker 5: it's part of the tour now, yeah, because it's set
• 1:49:20
  Speaker 5: up to film in yeah.
• 1:49:21
  Speaker 3: Yeah, so anytime you see it, like and I understand
• 1:49:25
  Speaker 3: that they didn't they wouldn't do that. For that scene
• 1:49:27
  Speaker 3: in Crimes of Grindawall when you see Leda just you know,
• 1:49:30
  Speaker 3: peeking into the Great Hall from afar and it's a
• 1:49:32
  Speaker 3: very wide shot and you know it looks good because
• 1:49:35
  Speaker 3: you know, again you're not seeing them. But in Secrets
• 1:49:38
  Speaker 3: of Dumbledore they do have more prominent scenes in the
• 1:49:40
  Speaker 3: Great Hall, and you know it's a very important scene too,
• 1:49:44
  Speaker 3: and you can tell something is off. You can tell
• 1:49:48
  Speaker 3: they're not actually there. The same when they arrive at
• 1:49:51
  Speaker 3: the Hogwarts Viaduct in Crimes of Grindewald. It's it's not bad,
• 1:49:57
  Speaker 3: but you know, I do give that scene a little
• 1:49:59
  Speaker 3: bit of like the benefit of the doubt because it's
• 1:50:01
  Speaker 3: something that doesn't exist actually, so it's kind of like
• 1:50:04
  Speaker 3: I do allow it because it's you know, they had
• 1:50:07
  Speaker 3: to do it that way, there's no other way. But
• 1:50:10
  Speaker 3: for this scene in the in the Great Hall, like
• 1:50:12
  Speaker 3: seeing everything even when they're walking towards the towards the
• 1:50:18
  Speaker 3: Room of Requirement, I think, yeah, the Room of Requirements.
• 1:50:23
  Speaker 3: Literally everything is again like CGI. So seeing them not
• 1:50:27
  Speaker 3: really you know, use these functioning sets again and not
• 1:50:32
  Speaker 3: even doing like a town. You know, it's not convincing enough.
• 1:50:38
  Speaker 3: Again if it had been a scene at nighttime, because
• 1:50:42
  Speaker 3: nighttime seems to shine better when it comes to CGI,
• 1:50:45
  Speaker 3: Like I think that's where CGI stands out more. But
• 1:50:49
  Speaker 3: this isn't broad daylight, so it is you know, it's
• 1:50:53
  Speaker 3: not it's not good enough. I think for the scale
• 1:50:58
  Speaker 3: of this film, you know. So and again I go
• 1:51:01
  Speaker 3: back to what I was saying, like having the set
• 1:51:04
  Speaker 3: there was it so hard to just you know, close
• 1:51:07
  Speaker 3: it for a day of you know, half of the day,
• 1:51:11
  Speaker 3: just have the actors film that scene. I know it
• 1:51:14
  Speaker 3: takes more time than what you see on screen. I
• 1:51:15
  Speaker 3: know it could take a couple of days even a week,
• 1:51:18
  Speaker 3: but you know it could have been done that way.
• 1:51:21
  Speaker 3: So yeah, that's something that I never understood. And other
• 1:51:26
  Speaker 3: than that, the Hogwarts, you know, three D Render is
• 1:51:29
  Speaker 3: the same with Daflee Hollows. So it's still good. But yeah,
• 1:51:33
  Speaker 3: like I'm specifically talking about interior scenes that weren't filmed
• 1:51:38
  Speaker 3: on location, because we did get some on location for
• 1:51:43
  Speaker 3: crimesgrind Towal.
• 1:51:45
  Speaker 5: Yeah, so I guess like to kind of wrap like
• 1:51:50
  Speaker 5: we kind of I was gonna say, we kind of
• 1:51:52
  Speaker 5: ended on like a bit of a negative note there. However,
• 1:51:56
  Speaker 5: I think that we still like overall, like I really
• 1:52:01
  Speaker 5: enjoy the visual of this film.
• 1:52:03
  Speaker 2: That's what I was going to ask. You think sometimes
• 1:52:06
  Speaker 2: does does the good outweigh the bad? Or I think, yes, yes,
• 1:52:11
  Speaker 2: I think I do too. I Mean it's in my
• 1:52:15
  Speaker 2: nature to be picky. But overall, that's that's why we
• 1:52:20
  Speaker 2: have a right what we talk about.
• 1:52:23
  Speaker 1: If we do, we need an audience to hear our
• 1:52:27
  Speaker 1: netpicking what's going to get us through life?
• 1:52:32
  Speaker 4: Right?
• 1:52:33
  Speaker 5: I think, like I think, if anything, I would love
• 1:52:35
  Speaker 5: to see how these films would have turned out, would
• 1:52:37
  Speaker 5: just if they had used more practical effects. I think unfortunately,
• 1:52:41
  Speaker 5: like especially with the over reliance on CGI and films
• 1:52:45
  Speaker 5: now as well, that also then shortens like production time
• 1:52:48
  Speaker 5: of things because like obviously practical effects take a lot
• 1:52:52
  Speaker 5: of time, right, you have to build the things like
• 1:52:54
  Speaker 5: it takes a lot of time. And I think now
• 1:52:57
  Speaker 5: that we have CGI available to us in such a way,
• 1:52:59
  Speaker 5: it's like, why would you waste that time to like
• 1:53:02
  Speaker 5: build the practical things. But like I think, as we've
• 1:53:04
  Speaker 5: pointed out, like really taking the time to incorporate those
• 1:53:07
  Speaker 5: practical effects really does make a difference when it comes
• 1:53:10
  Speaker 5: down to the details. I think we're being really nitpicky
• 1:53:13
  Speaker 5: about the details, right, But like overall the things that
• 1:53:17
  Speaker 5: even we were nitpicky about, it's like in the grand
• 1:53:19
  Speaker 5: scheme of the total film, we still absolutely love these films,
• 1:53:22
  Speaker 5: and we've talked to again, like I said, some of
• 1:53:24
  Speaker 5: my favorite Wisoy world scenes are in the films that
• 1:53:27
  Speaker 5: are CGI generated films. But I think like if anything
• 1:53:31
  Speaker 5: like our discussion does showcase the again yet again we're
• 1:53:36
  Speaker 5: about the practical effects, just really helping to take those
• 1:53:40
  Speaker 5: details to the next level.
• 1:53:42
  Speaker 1: And honestly, yeah, I think of a lot of films
• 1:53:47
  Speaker 1: that came out around the same time period of fantastic beats, a.
• 1:53:52
  Speaker 2: Lot of them look really bad, Yeah, the terrible CGI.
• 1:53:59
  Speaker 2: So it's not even it's not even like like.
• 1:54:04
  Speaker 1: If there's a lot of complaints about fantastic pieces, it's
• 1:54:07
  Speaker 1: like it's funny because it's like you put it next
• 1:54:09
  Speaker 1: to most of the films that came out those years,
• 1:54:13
  Speaker 1: and it looks like twenty times better.
• 1:54:16
  Speaker 3: So I mean, yes, I maybe this is me being
• 1:54:19
  Speaker 3: a Bias fan, but to me, nothing nothing compares to
• 1:54:24
  Speaker 3: how good the effects of this franchise have been. Nothing.
• 1:54:29
  Speaker 3: I haven't seen anything like you could say Avatar, but
• 1:54:32
  Speaker 3: Avatar is something, you know, it's a completely different concept
• 1:54:36
  Speaker 3: and it has you know, even comparable not even comparable.
• 1:54:39
  Speaker 3: But when you compare it to other successful franchises, yes,
• 1:54:42
  Speaker 3: I could think Jurassic Park franchise or Slash Jurassic World,
• 1:54:46
  Speaker 3: or I could think Star Wars or maybe like but
• 1:54:50
  Speaker 3: I don't think anything compares to that, you know, level
• 1:54:55
  Speaker 3: of detail and wanting to add that realism. And I
• 1:54:59
  Speaker 3: think a lot of these productions have actually taken a
• 1:55:01
  Speaker 3: lot of inspiration from this, you know, behind the scenes
• 1:55:05
  Speaker 3: from these films and have started to incorporate them into
• 1:55:09
  Speaker 3: their own productions because I never saw that level of
• 1:55:13
  Speaker 3: detail in other when you know, the early two thousands,
• 1:55:16
  Speaker 3: when I would watch the special features of the DVDs,
• 1:55:19
  Speaker 3: I would be like wow, Like I would be so
• 1:55:21
  Speaker 3: shocked of how like, you know, everything not just special effects,
• 1:55:26
  Speaker 3: but also like the practical effects and having those you know,
• 1:55:29
  Speaker 3: books written you know, from front to back, even if
• 1:55:32
  Speaker 3: they were ever you know, the textbooks that were never
• 1:55:34
  Speaker 3: ever going to appear on screen, but still they did that,
• 1:55:36
  Speaker 3: they put that in that extra effort, and it also
• 1:55:41
  Speaker 3: you know, you can also tell that in the visual
• 1:55:43
  Speaker 3: effects side. And you know, again it could be me
• 1:55:46
  Speaker 3: being biased, but I think that nothing still is comparable
• 1:55:51
  Speaker 3: to Harry Potter and Fantasticpies in that regard.
• 1:55:54
  Speaker 5: Yeah. No, I think it comes down to the talent
• 1:55:56
  Speaker 5: that they got in these films and the fact that
• 1:55:58
  Speaker 5: the people they got for these films still were very
• 1:56:01
  Speaker 5: much rooted in practical effects and in like the old ways,
• 1:56:05
  Speaker 5: because like some of those franchise that you mentioned, like
• 1:56:07
  Speaker 5: Jurassic Park, Star Wars, like, in my opinion, the older
• 1:56:11
  Speaker 5: films like and now this is me coming from, like
• 1:56:14
  Speaker 5: I'm a Star Wars prequel stand like, those are my
• 1:56:16
  Speaker 5: favorite movies.
• 1:56:17
  Speaker 4: But the older films relied a lot on practical effects.
• 1:56:19
  Speaker 5: The older Jurassic Park movies relied on practical effects, where
• 1:56:23
  Speaker 5: the newer Jurassic Park films, you can compare them, they're
• 1:56:25
  Speaker 5: very different because it's cgi and I think that the
• 1:56:28
  Speaker 5: talent that they got for.
• 1:56:29
  Speaker 4: Harry Potter was very rooted.
• 1:56:31
  Speaker 5: In practical effects, and then we saw a lot of
• 1:56:34
  Speaker 5: those same people come back for Fantastic Beasts, right, and
• 1:56:38
  Speaker 5: so I think that's what's really made them stand out.
• 1:56:40
  Speaker 5: And I think really like as much as I nitpicked,
• 1:56:44
  Speaker 5: like Newt's hand touching the creature, it's still is not
• 1:56:47
  Speaker 5: as bad as in Twilight Bella heading Jacob in wolf form, like,
• 1:56:53
  Speaker 5: it's not. It's not comparable at all.
• 1:56:56
  Speaker 4: Like Newt's hand on that creature looks miles better.
• 1:57:00
  Speaker 3: This is what I mean about the eyes and.
• 1:57:04
  Speaker 4: Oh my god, look better.
• 1:57:08
  Speaker 1: I think comparing like within the same franchise, differences in advancements, right,
• 1:57:14
  Speaker 1: So I think it's so interesting if you look at
• 1:57:19
  Speaker 1: Lord of the Rings the trilogy versus the Hobbit films, right,
• 1:57:27
  Speaker 1: and that is an example of they did it amazing
• 1:57:33
  Speaker 1: the first time, and then when.
• 1:57:35
  Speaker 2: They came back to do it again and relied on
• 1:57:37
  Speaker 2: c G I, it was awful.
• 1:57:40
  Speaker 5: Yeah.
• 1:57:43
  Speaker 4: I agree, Yeah, But.
• 1:57:45
  Speaker 1: With Harry Potter and Fantastic Beasts, I don't feel that
• 1:57:49
  Speaker 1: the difference is as vast.
• 1:57:52
  Speaker 2: So it still works and.
• 1:57:54
  Speaker 1: It all still works together and you don't have that
• 1:57:56
  Speaker 1: like really off putting Jarring moment of this is not
• 1:58:00
  Speaker 1: the franchise I fell in love with because it all
• 1:58:03
  Speaker 1: still matches.
• 1:58:05
  Speaker 4: Yeah, Yeah, and I think that's exactly what it's like.
• 1:58:09
  Speaker 4: You know, bringing some of those same people back is
• 1:58:11
  Speaker 4: I think what really helps.
• 1:58:13
  Speaker 5: And I think that, you know, you have to have
• 1:58:15
  Speaker 5: those people sitting at the table that say, you know what, like, yes,
• 1:58:18
  Speaker 5: we have the technology to do this whole thing CGI,
• 1:58:22
  Speaker 5: but like we need this to look like how it
• 1:58:24
  Speaker 5: did before so that people feel like they're in the
• 1:58:27
  Speaker 5: same universe, and so we're going to keep that practical.
• 1:58:31
  Speaker 5: You need those people making those decisions and sitting at
• 1:58:34
  Speaker 5: the table and saying that because they could just continue
• 1:58:38
  Speaker 5: to to just do it all CGI, right, they could,
• 1:58:41
  Speaker 5: we have the technology to do that. And I think
• 1:58:44
  Speaker 5: that's where exactly what you're bringing up amy about the
• 1:58:46
  Speaker 5: differences and Lord of the Rings versus.
• 1:58:49
  Speaker 3: The habit even Jurassic World within the same Yeah, like
• 1:58:53
  Speaker 3: Jurassic World. Something happened now that you know the mascatari
• 1:58:56
  Speaker 3: is from Jurassic World, the first one and the last
• 1:59:00
  Speaker 3: one from Rebirth. It is supposed to be canonically speaking
• 1:59:04
  Speaker 3: the same Mosasaris, but it's different. It's not. And people
• 1:59:09
  Speaker 3: the fans were outraged. They were like, what have they
• 1:59:12
  Speaker 3: done with this? Like people really are invested in these
• 1:59:16
  Speaker 3: things and these consistencies and coherency, and they don't want
• 1:59:19
  Speaker 3: this just you know, like to you know, just do
• 1:59:22
  Speaker 3: it for the sake of I don't know why, because
• 1:59:25
  Speaker 3: it's not even I don't.
• 1:59:26
  Speaker 5: Care that the technology has advanced.
• 1:59:28
  Speaker 2: Right exactly like I want it to look similar.
• 1:59:31
  Speaker 5: You can still you can still make it. You can
• 1:59:33
  Speaker 5: still make it look right right.
• 1:59:35
  Speaker 3: Like what you said, the cadaver spell, all of these,
• 1:59:40
  Speaker 3: like the even the creatures like the house elves, how
• 1:59:43
  Speaker 3: you see them evolved, But it's very it's a very
• 1:59:46
  Speaker 3: natural transition. It even feels like the character growing up
• 1:59:50
  Speaker 3: in some ways, like the same way you don't see
• 1:59:52
  Speaker 3: a child becoming an adult, like you see them different.
• 1:59:55
  Speaker 3: The same thing happened with these creatures. So you could
• 1:59:57
  Speaker 3: also attribute to that to them like or either aging
• 2:00:00
  Speaker 3: or either being different within the same species.
• 2:00:04
  Speaker 5: You know.
• 2:00:05
  Speaker 2: Uh.
• 2:00:06
  Speaker 3: But yeah, like I think it's it's something that they
• 2:00:09
  Speaker 3: should pay more attention to. And fans do not take
• 2:00:13
  Speaker 3: these things for granted at all. Definitely, Yeah, but yeah grateful,
• 2:00:19
  Speaker 3: like great great visual effects hold up incredibly well, and yeah,
• 2:00:25
  Speaker 3: we love them. Just to end on a more positive note.
• 2:00:28
  Speaker 2: We're ready for another weeks.
• 2:00:29
  Speaker 5: We did though, Yes, we did. Yeah, compared to other
• 2:00:33
  Speaker 5: other movies, I think again, like you said, like the
• 2:00:36
  Speaker 5: Harry Potter and Wizarding World films in general really stand
• 2:00:42
  Speaker 5: in a different league of their own, I think compared
• 2:00:44
  Speaker 5: to other franchises in terms of, yeah, their consistency over time,
• 2:00:49
  Speaker 5: and I think again it's really just again back to
• 2:00:52
  Speaker 5: the talent that they are able to get for these films.
• 2:00:56
  Speaker 2: Yeah, it's about to leave, go onto the tourt Key.
• 2:01:05
  Speaker 5: So for this week, for our rotating segment, we wanted
• 2:01:08
  Speaker 5: to kind of go back and do a port Key
• 2:01:11
  Speaker 5: segment because we haven't really done that in a while.
• 2:01:14
  Speaker 5: And so if you're new to listening to us or
• 2:01:17
  Speaker 5: you know, because it's been a while with the port Key,
• 2:01:20
  Speaker 5: it's a segment where we discussed different like Harry Potter
• 2:01:23
  Speaker 5: related travel destinations, and so today we wanted to touch
• 2:01:28
  Speaker 5: on not necessarily a destination, but a an experience and
• 2:01:34
  Speaker 5: actually one of my favorite Potter related experiences and that
• 2:01:38
  Speaker 5: is the Harry Potter film concert series.
• 2:01:41
  Speaker 4: And it still works for port Key because you still
• 2:01:43
  Speaker 4: got to travel to it.
• 2:01:45
  Speaker 5: But yeah, yeah, yeah, and we thought that this one
• 2:01:48
  Speaker 5: was really timely, right because we were talking about films
• 2:01:51
  Speaker 5: today and myself and Amy actually just last night went
• 2:01:54
  Speaker 5: to a Harry Potter film concert, so it's very much
• 2:01:58
  Speaker 5: like fresh in our minds.
• 2:01:59
  Speaker 4: I thought it'd be really cool to talk about today.
• 2:02:00
  Speaker 5: So if you're not familiar, the Harry Potter Film Concert
• 2:02:05
  Speaker 5: Series is like a touring concert series across you know,
• 2:02:09
  Speaker 5: the country or at the Globe.
• 2:02:10
  Speaker 4: I don't know if they I'm assuming yet. Definitely the
• 2:02:12
  Speaker 4: Globe as well.
• 2:02:13
  Speaker 3: Yeah, yeah, because I know it's been in Argentina too
• 2:02:16
  Speaker 3: for sure.
• 2:02:16
  Speaker 4: Yeah, yep.
• 2:02:18
  Speaker 5: And they bring like a very unique and immersive experience
• 2:02:22
  Speaker 5: and a different way to experience the films. So it combines,
• 2:02:26
  Speaker 5: you know, the magic of the films with the power
• 2:02:28
  Speaker 5: of live music, and so in these concerts you will
• 2:02:31
  Speaker 5: get to experience the Harry Potter films projected on a
• 2:02:34
  Speaker 5: giant screen while a live symphony orchestra performs the score.
• 2:02:41
  Speaker 5: And it's, like I mentioned, a very you know, immersive
• 2:02:45
  Speaker 5: and also interactive experience.
• 2:02:47
  Speaker 4: Like a lot of people will come and.
• 2:02:48
  Speaker 5: They'll dress up in costume or just you know, dressing
• 2:02:51
  Speaker 5: up in their favor favorite Harry Potter apparel. The audience
• 2:02:55
  Speaker 5: is encouraged to, you know, clap at their favorite moments
• 2:02:57
  Speaker 5: throughout the scene. It's not it's not your typical orchestra
• 2:03:00
  Speaker 5: concert where you're all hush hushed and quiet in your seat,
• 2:03:03
  Speaker 5: and you know, you're encouraged to clap, encouraged to cheer
• 2:03:06
  Speaker 5: for your favorite moments, your favorite characters, and you know,
• 2:03:08
  Speaker 5: even boo for you know, you're not you're not so
• 2:03:11
  Speaker 5: favorite characters. And also you know, it is also a
• 2:03:16
  Speaker 5: longer experience than most like orchestra concerts you'd go to
• 2:03:20
  Speaker 5: because of course, the length of the show depends on
• 2:03:22
  Speaker 5: the length of the film that they're performing. And you know,
• 2:03:26
  Speaker 5: as you know, I said to Amy last night, as
• 2:03:28
  Speaker 5: somebody who you know, I was an orchestra of myself
• 2:03:30
  Speaker 5: growing up and played two different orchestral instruments, like you know,
• 2:03:34
  Speaker 5: I just want to give so much kudos to the
• 2:03:36
  Speaker 5: musicians that play these shows because it is not a
• 2:03:39
  Speaker 5: small feat, especially as someone who is a violinist and
• 2:03:42
  Speaker 5: a vuolist myself, to hold up. I mean, obviously they've
• 2:03:45
  Speaker 5: got some breaks. You know, there's certain scenes where there's
• 2:03:47
  Speaker 5: no music playing, but it is a strong it is
• 2:03:50
  Speaker 5: a feat to perform for two and a half three hours.
• 2:03:54
  Speaker 4: You know, it's it's it's a feat.
• 2:03:58
  Speaker 5: So the end on the length of your film will
• 2:04:01
  Speaker 5: depend on the length of your concert. There is you know,
• 2:04:04
  Speaker 5: a twenty minute intermission as part of the show as well,
• 2:04:07
  Speaker 5: so you know, the shows do last three plus hours.
• 2:04:12
  Speaker 5: And so Amy and I have gone to Sorcerer's Stone
• 2:04:16
  Speaker 5: film concert together previously, and then as I mentioned, just
• 2:04:20
  Speaker 5: last night we went to the Chamber of Secrets film
• 2:04:23
  Speaker 5: concert together and so yeah, like I mentioned, this is
• 2:04:27
  Speaker 5: one of my favorite experiences, especially as a fan of
• 2:04:31
  Speaker 5: the music, the scores, someone who was an orchestra of myself,
• 2:04:35
  Speaker 5: I think there's definitely something about hearing, you know, a
• 2:04:40
  Speaker 5: live orchestra. You hear bits of the music that you
• 2:04:42
  Speaker 5: wouldn't hear normally as just background music in the film.
• 2:04:47
  Speaker 5: And really these film concert series are really about highlighting
• 2:04:50
  Speaker 5: the music. So there's times when the music is louder
• 2:04:53
  Speaker 5: than what you're hearing in the film, and they do
• 2:04:56
  Speaker 5: a really good job with the sound mix mixing, but
• 2:04:58
  Speaker 5: at the end of the day, you are there to
• 2:04:59
  Speaker 5: hear like you know, the score, right, and so yeah,
• 2:05:03
  Speaker 5: I love it, And yeah, what are your thoughts, Amy,
• 2:05:07
  Speaker 5: Tom have you ever been to any of the film
• 2:05:09
  Speaker 5: concert films?
• 2:05:13
  Speaker 1: I think it's so cool to be able to watch
• 2:05:16
  Speaker 1: the musicians at the same time as the film. And
• 2:05:21
  Speaker 1: I mean, these scores are scores that are meant to
• 2:05:23
  Speaker 1: be performed live by a full orchestra, Like they're amazing,
• 2:05:29
  Speaker 1: So it's really cool to be able to watch it all.
• 2:05:34
  Speaker 1: I mean, just in general, I think watching an orchestra
• 2:05:37
  Speaker 1: perform is such a cool experience in being able to
• 2:05:40
  Speaker 1: see how they all take on their sections and just
• 2:05:45
  Speaker 1: how it all comes together is really cool to watch.
• 2:05:48
  Speaker 1: So if you've never seen an orchestra perform live, this
• 2:05:52
  Speaker 1: is a really good way to kind.
• 2:05:54
  Speaker 2: Of dip your toes in and do that.
• 2:05:57
  Speaker 1: And a bit of a more relaxed atmosphere. One thing
• 2:06:03
  Speaker 1: I think is interesting, and we complained about a lot
• 2:06:06
  Speaker 1: last night, is people who go and either talk through
• 2:06:12
  Speaker 1: the entire things so they don't hear the music, or
• 2:06:16
  Speaker 1: get up and leave while the orchestra is still playing
• 2:06:19
  Speaker 1: at the end of the film.
• 2:06:20
  Speaker 2: Didn't you pay to go? It's it's the film in concert.
• 2:06:25
  Speaker 1: You paid to listen to the music, right, So like,
• 2:06:28
  Speaker 1: why are you up in like leaving before the orchestra's done.
• 2:06:32
  Speaker 5: It's almost treating it like when you go to the theater,
• 2:06:35
  Speaker 5: right because and a lot of people get up with
• 2:06:37
  Speaker 5: the credits, and like last night we experienced that a lot,
• 2:06:40
  Speaker 5: where the entire yep and and not only just that,
• 2:06:46
  Speaker 5: but also everyone just started talking at normal volume like
• 2:06:50
  Speaker 5: they were leaving. And I think that again, like I
• 2:06:53
  Speaker 5: think it's because you have to remember when you go
• 2:06:55
  Speaker 5: to these just like Amy said, I mean, you go
• 2:06:56
  Speaker 5: to these film.
• 2:06:57
  Speaker 4: Concerts, you know you are there. It's a concert. You
• 2:07:00
  Speaker 4: are not there just to watch the film.
• 2:07:03
  Speaker 5: And so I think, like you know, to really get
• 2:07:05
  Speaker 5: the experience. Like I really encourage, like if you go
• 2:07:08
  Speaker 5: to one of these shows, like to have that mindset
• 2:07:10
  Speaker 5: that like ultimately you're there for the music, Like the
• 2:07:13
  Speaker 5: movie being on the background is like just a bonus,
• 2:07:17
  Speaker 5: Like you're there to hear the music. Like you've seen
• 2:07:20
  Speaker 5: these films before, right, Like I encourage you to like
• 2:07:23
  Speaker 5: take a moment and not just look at the film,
• 2:07:25
  Speaker 5: but watch the orchestra play. Like Amy said, like there
• 2:07:28
  Speaker 5: is something about watching an orchestra even compared to like
• 2:07:31
  Speaker 5: just a band, like you know band, like like a
• 2:07:33
  Speaker 5: full orchestra.
• 2:07:34
  Speaker 4: It's it's just and also like this, you're not.
• 2:07:38
  Speaker 5: Just there to watch a film, so like, you know, please,
• 2:07:41
  Speaker 5: like you know, it's respect the artists. Like they're they're
• 2:07:44
  Speaker 5: still playing through that front part of the of the
• 2:07:47
  Speaker 5: of the credits and playing their hearts out, and that's
• 2:07:49
  Speaker 5: a really great time for you to actually get to
• 2:07:51
  Speaker 5: listen to them without the film in.
• 2:07:54
  Speaker 4: The background, and to get up and leave and talk.
• 2:07:58
  Speaker 5: And like I'm that person who doesn't it up and
• 2:08:00
  Speaker 5: leave in movie theaters when the credits roll. I actually
• 2:08:03
  Speaker 5: sit through the entire credits because it's a great time
• 2:08:05
  Speaker 5: to listen to the score without the movie, you know.
• 2:08:08
  Speaker 5: And so I think, unfortunately, like that is kind of
• 2:08:11
  Speaker 5: what happened there.
• 2:08:12
  Speaker 1: I wonder too if it's just like a not knowing
• 2:08:17
  Speaker 1: of the etiquette of like being in that situation because.
• 2:08:23
  Speaker 2: The house lights were still off.
• 2:08:26
  Speaker 1: The houselights don't come back on until everything's over, and
• 2:08:30
  Speaker 1: that's your signal to get up out of your seat
• 2:08:32
  Speaker 1: and leave you And like, if you were to actually
• 2:08:36
  Speaker 1: go to an orchestra concert without a film playing, would
• 2:08:41
  Speaker 1: you get up and leave while they were still playing
• 2:08:43
  Speaker 1: and all the house lights were off, Like no, you
• 2:08:45
  Speaker 1: would wait until the house lights come on the director
• 2:08:50
  Speaker 1: gets up and takes a bow, like the first violin
• 2:08:53
  Speaker 1: takes a bow, and like you're supposed to clap and
• 2:08:57
  Speaker 1: then you leave, Like it's just such.
• 2:08:59
  Speaker 5: A I think I think it's the culture of like
• 2:09:03
  Speaker 5: going and watching a film and people some people treat
• 2:09:06
  Speaker 5: it like they're going to the movie theater and watching
• 2:09:08
  Speaker 5: the film. I think even just the amount of people
• 2:09:11
  Speaker 5: that like last night, that like got up to like
• 2:09:13
  Speaker 5: go to the bathroom during the show, like you wouldn't
• 2:09:16
  Speaker 5: do And I get it, it's a very long concert
• 2:09:19
  Speaker 5: and so I think it's different. But like when you
• 2:09:21
  Speaker 5: go to like an actual orchestra show, like you wouldn't
• 2:09:24
  Speaker 5: get up in the middle of a piece like that,
• 2:09:26
  Speaker 5: like you would wait until a break in the piece
• 2:09:28
  Speaker 5: or until intermission. And I think too, it's also like,
• 2:09:31
  Speaker 5: but what you mentioned Amy is like people that do
• 2:09:33
  Speaker 5: go to the film concert series, like while it is
• 2:09:35
  Speaker 5: great to dip your toes in, if you don't typically
• 2:09:39
  Speaker 5: go to that type of environment, like it is just
• 2:09:42
  Speaker 5: like I do think some of it is just not
• 2:09:43
  Speaker 5: kind of knowing the etiquette because it's it might be
• 2:09:47
  Speaker 5: certain people that like would not typically go to like
• 2:09:49
  Speaker 5: just an orchestra they're not going to like Beethoven Symphony,
• 2:09:52
  Speaker 5: like they're going because it's Harry Potter or because it's
• 2:09:54
  Speaker 5: Star Wars and concert or Jurassic Park and concert. And
• 2:09:57
  Speaker 5: so I also encourage like if you go to something
• 2:09:59
  Speaker 5: like this to these I guess there are some of
• 2:10:02
  Speaker 5: our tips of like at the end of the day,
• 2:10:04
  Speaker 5: like it is still an orchestra show, and so like
• 2:10:08
  Speaker 5: if you learn anything, like yeah, please like you know,
• 2:10:10
  Speaker 5: it's you know, Amy and I talked a couple times
• 2:10:12
  Speaker 5: during the show as well too, but like the people
• 2:10:15
  Speaker 5: behind us talked the entire thing. And even when you
• 2:10:19
  Speaker 5: go to a movie theater, like also, please don't talk
• 2:10:22
  Speaker 5: the entire movie, like everyone's paid to be there as well,
• 2:10:25
  Speaker 5: but like it does kind of distract, right, Yeah.
• 2:10:29
  Speaker 3: I find it.
• 2:10:29
  Speaker 4: But other than that, it's great.
• 2:10:31
  Speaker 3: I find it hard to believe people walking out just
• 2:10:34
  Speaker 3: credits enthusiasts as I am, and I always stayed for
• 2:10:37
  Speaker 3: the at least were the Harry Potter films, even when
• 2:10:39
  Speaker 3: I binch watched them. I always stay for the credits. Also,
• 2:10:44
  Speaker 3: you get you miss out on really cool scores and
• 2:10:48
  Speaker 3: epics scores that nope, not all of them are in
• 2:10:51
  Speaker 3: the film because there are a lot of post like
• 2:10:55
  Speaker 3: credit music that plays that you never here in the film,
• 2:11:00
  Speaker 3: so it's kind of also like a little bit Yes,
• 2:11:03
  Speaker 3: it's like a Duloxe edition. And also, like like you
• 2:11:07
  Speaker 3: guys said, I think the lines get a little blurred
• 2:11:09
  Speaker 3: just because people think they're going in for the film
• 2:11:12
  Speaker 3: when it's actually them going in for a concert that
• 2:11:15
  Speaker 3: has that film playing in the background as a bonus.
• 2:11:18
  Speaker 3: So I think it's you know, very wise to just
• 2:11:21
  Speaker 3: stay through the whole thing and just make sure if
• 2:11:23
  Speaker 3: the lights are still off, just you know, it's still
• 2:11:26
  Speaker 3: part of the show, So don't get up and leave,
• 2:11:28
  Speaker 3: because it's disrespectful to the performers.
• 2:11:30
  Speaker 1: If you're tripping down the steps because it's still dark,
• 2:11:34
  Speaker 1: maybe that's your signal that you should still be sitting.
• 2:11:38
  Speaker 3: Yes, just my question is because I've never been to
• 2:11:41
  Speaker 3: one of these concerts and I'm very very much invested
• 2:11:45
  Speaker 3: in doing that and i want to do it, especially
• 2:11:47
  Speaker 3: one of those like Edinburgh screenings and the Castle. Yes,
• 2:11:52
  Speaker 3: I want to do that because it's one of like
• 2:11:54
  Speaker 3: I'm living here. While I live here, I want to
• 2:11:56
  Speaker 3: have that experience and just you know, have it, you know,
• 2:12:00
  Speaker 3: just just live it and I was wondering does the
• 2:12:03
  Speaker 3: music play on top This is probably a very ignorant question,
• 2:12:07
  Speaker 3: but is what they're playing. Is it like the no
• 2:12:11
  Speaker 3: music file of the film like the film, or does
• 2:12:16
  Speaker 3: it have the music.
• 2:12:17
  Speaker 5: Special effects are also there? Nope, there is no music,
• 2:12:21
  Speaker 5: so they get Yeah, so like this is put on
• 2:12:25
  Speaker 5: by a company called Sine Concerts, and so they do
• 2:12:27
  Speaker 5: more than just Harry Potter. But I do believe like
• 2:12:30
  Speaker 5: they get rights to the films like that still contain
• 2:12:33
  Speaker 5: all the talking, all the special effects, but just has
• 2:12:36
  Speaker 5: the music completely stripped down. So so truly all the
• 2:12:40
  Speaker 5: music that you're hearing is not like over the music
• 2:12:44
  Speaker 5: in the film. It's not combined with the music in
• 2:12:46
  Speaker 5: the film. It is completely completely live. And I don't
• 2:12:51
  Speaker 5: know if I mentioned I think I mentioned we saw
• 2:12:53
  Speaker 5: Chamber of Secrets last night, and there definitely was someone
• 2:12:57
  Speaker 5: in the orchestra who live like sang as well like
• 2:13:00
  Speaker 5: some of the I can't I'm not going to do
• 2:13:03
  Speaker 5: it because I'm not a singer, but there are some
• 2:13:05
  Speaker 5: parts in the Chamber of Secret score where there is
• 2:13:08
  Speaker 5: like a bit of like a vocalist and it's not
• 2:13:12
  Speaker 5: like they kept the part from the film. And then
• 2:13:15
  Speaker 5: just it's like somebody was their live doing it and
• 2:13:17
  Speaker 5: you could tell. And so that's why it's even that
• 2:13:22
  Speaker 5: much more magical is that they are truly playing every
• 2:13:25
  Speaker 5: single note and you're not having it.
• 2:13:27
  Speaker 4: They're not having to compete with the music that's in
• 2:13:30
  Speaker 4: the film at all.
• 2:13:31
  Speaker 3: So look forward to experiencing that.
• 2:13:34
  Speaker 2: Yeah, you have to go definitely, Yes, it's cool.
• 2:13:37
  Speaker 5: Yes, And of course I know we're all big fans
• 2:13:40
  Speaker 5: of the scores, So that's that's exactly why this is
• 2:13:43
  Speaker 5: one of my favorite experiences. And it was so fun too,
• 2:13:47
  Speaker 5: like watching it with the crowd and like hearing people
• 2:13:50
  Speaker 5: cheer at certain times and some people kind of like
• 2:13:53
  Speaker 5: hollered out loud at at certain moments, you know, and
• 2:13:59
  Speaker 5: that just kind of, you know, gives to the experience.
• 2:14:00
  Speaker 5: And I think as long as you're doing that but
• 2:14:02
  Speaker 5: in a respectful way, Like there's a difference between cheering
• 2:14:06
  Speaker 5: and clapping and stuff like that in a moment and
• 2:14:09
  Speaker 5: spending the entire concert like talking with the person next
• 2:14:12
  Speaker 5: to you, even if you're talking about the film, like
• 2:14:15
  Speaker 5: it can be very distracting for the people around you
• 2:14:18
  Speaker 5: and the people that are trying to listen to the music,
• 2:14:20
  Speaker 5: and like I mentioned like when you're hearing a live
• 2:14:22
  Speaker 5: orchestra performing, you get to sometimes hear little bits of
• 2:14:25
  Speaker 5: the music that you typically don't hear. Like even honestly,
• 2:14:29
  Speaker 5: even just listening to the scores like on vinyl or
• 2:14:32
  Speaker 5: with your headset on, there's still little moments that you
• 2:14:36
  Speaker 5: notice more when you're hearing the live orchestra because maybe
• 2:14:40
  Speaker 5: you know the way that the sound is that instrument
• 2:14:43
  Speaker 5: is being highlighted more live than it is when you're
• 2:14:46
  Speaker 5: kind of hearing it in the blend of the whole album,
• 2:14:48
  Speaker 5: and so you know, it's just really cool. One of
• 2:14:52
  Speaker 5: my favorite parts of the film Concert Series is going
• 2:14:56
  Speaker 5: to Sorcerer's Stone and hearing the live heart during the
• 2:15:00
  Speaker 5: scenes where there's the harp. It is just an extra
• 2:15:03
  Speaker 5: layer of happiness that you that you don't get, like
• 2:15:09
  Speaker 5: just listening to the score. There is something different about.
• 2:15:12
  Speaker 3: Hearing because I would have thought that was part of
• 2:15:15
  Speaker 3: like it could have just passed us, you know, part
• 2:15:17
  Speaker 3: of the sound effects.
• 2:15:20
  Speaker 4: Nope, they have a live harp.
• 2:15:22
  Speaker 3: So anything that includes strings is live.
• 2:15:26
  Speaker 5: Yes, every single bit of it is live. I do
• 2:15:29
  Speaker 5: not think that the film that they show has any this,
• 2:15:32
  Speaker 5: Like again, it has the special effects sounds there, but
• 2:15:35
  Speaker 5: there is zero music. Every every single note is being
• 2:15:38
  Speaker 5: played by the musicians on the stage.
• 2:15:41
  Speaker 3: This makes me think, what do they do and Goblet
• 2:15:43
  Speaker 3: of Fire with a live band with do they because
• 2:15:49
  Speaker 3: obviously they're not going to singer what.
• 2:15:52
  Speaker 5: Like daring likely Yeah, that you ball. I haven't gotten
• 2:15:55
  Speaker 5: that far because so Amy Count came up to city
• 2:16:00
  Speaker 5: that I live in, and we actually before the pandemic,
• 2:16:04
  Speaker 5: they had done Sorcerer's Stone and then Chamber of Secrets,
• 2:16:06
  Speaker 5: and then so I went to them both then and
• 2:16:10
  Speaker 5: then we were they were like, oh, we're gonna bring
• 2:16:13
  Speaker 5: you know, Prisoner of Azkaband to you next, and then
• 2:16:15
  Speaker 5: the pandemic happened and so then there was this big
• 2:16:18
  Speaker 5: pause on it.
• 2:16:20
  Speaker 4: So then when my local orchestra brought it back, they started.
• 2:16:23
  Speaker 5: Over with Sorcerer's Stone, okay, and so like they brought
• 2:16:26
  Speaker 5: Sorcerer's Stone back and then we just did Chamber and
• 2:16:29
  Speaker 5: then you know, they last night we got to sign
• 2:16:32
  Speaker 5: up for a pre sale code for Prisoner of Maska band.
• 2:16:34
  Speaker 5: So I've never made it so far to go to
• 2:16:37
  Speaker 5: Goblet of Fire. But that's a really good question about
• 2:16:40
  Speaker 5: what they do there. Yeah, I think maybe that part
• 2:16:44
  Speaker 5: probably is like leaving what's in the film, unless they
• 2:16:47
  Speaker 5: do have people come in with like electric fitters.
• 2:16:50
  Speaker 4: And play that part.
• 2:16:52
  Speaker 3: I'm curious to know that.
• 2:16:55
  Speaker 5: Yeah, yeah, I mean, I guess we'll see if I
• 2:16:57
  Speaker 5: ever get to the point to seeing Goblita fire.
• 2:16:59
  Speaker 4: So yeah, that's very interesting.
• 2:17:00
  Speaker 3: But sounds like they play it live.
• 2:17:04
  Speaker 5: Yeah, maybe not the singing, but the music itself, like
• 2:17:10
  Speaker 5: of the Weird Sisters, Like maybe the music.
• 2:17:12
  Speaker 3: There are a few instances throughout the films, the later
• 2:17:15
  Speaker 3: films where you can hear like rock music playing, like
• 2:17:18
  Speaker 3: a couple of scenes in the in the Gryffinder common
• 2:17:20
  Speaker 3: room too. There's also like you know, like uh yeah,
• 2:17:24
  Speaker 3: like just bands playing.
• 2:17:28
  Speaker 5: And the.
• 2:17:30
  Speaker 3: Dance the song it's called is it called children?
• 2:17:33
  Speaker 2: I think it's like children.
• 2:17:34
  Speaker 4: I think all children.
• 2:17:35
  Speaker 5: I bet you that just will be that will just
• 2:17:37
  Speaker 5: be what's in the film. I'm sure they'll just play
• 2:17:39
  Speaker 5: what's in the film then. But that's a good Yeah,
• 2:17:42
  Speaker 5: that's a good question. I don't know yet because I haven't.
• 2:17:44
  Speaker 4: Gotten that far.
• 2:17:45
  Speaker 5: But okay, but yeah, is really cool because like, yeah,
• 2:17:49
  Speaker 5: do when you have the heart playing, like for Fluffy,
• 2:17:52
  Speaker 5: like it's really someone there playing the heart or like.
• 2:17:58
  Speaker 4: Yeah, the little flute.
• 2:17:59
  Speaker 5: Yeap, when Hagrid's playing the flute, yep, it's really somebody
• 2:18:02
  Speaker 5: they are playing that, and so it just gives it
• 2:18:05
  Speaker 5: like another dimension.
• 2:18:06
  Speaker 4: And so yeah, yeah, so we amy and I love
• 2:18:10
  Speaker 4: these shows.
• 2:18:11
  Speaker 5: I really hope you can get to one and everybody
• 2:18:14
  Speaker 5: else listening if you've never gone to these, and I
• 2:18:17
  Speaker 5: would say too, like the a lot of beyond Harry Potter,
• 2:18:21
  Speaker 5: there's a lot of like you can go to see
• 2:18:22
  Speaker 5: Lord of the Rings and concert they do Star Wars
• 2:18:25
  Speaker 5: shows I've seen, like Twilight, like all of our favorite
• 2:18:28
  Speaker 5: franchises they do this for And if you're a fan
• 2:18:31
  Speaker 5: of the music, like totally poort key your way over
• 2:18:34
  Speaker 5: to these experiences.
• 2:18:37
  Speaker 4: Because they are definitely something special.
• 2:18:39
  Speaker 5: And yeah, so you can check out So it's Harry
• 2:18:45
  Speaker 5: Potter and concert dot com and I mean you can
• 2:18:49
  Speaker 5: also get tickets through like your local box offices and
• 2:18:51
  Speaker 5: stuff like that, but if you go to that link,
• 2:18:54
  Speaker 5: you can see if there's like a concert coming to
• 2:18:56
  Speaker 5: a city near you and what movie they're playing.
• 2:19:02
  Speaker 2: So noise.
• 2:19:07
  Speaker 1: So last episode, we asked our listeners what questions do
• 2:19:12
  Speaker 1: you have about ghosts in the Wizarding World, And we
• 2:19:15
  Speaker 1: got a few good responses here, so from Jerry, Jerry says,
• 2:19:21
  Speaker 1: I would like to know more about the ghosts who
• 2:19:23
  Speaker 1: show up at nearly Headless Nick's death day party, other
• 2:19:26
  Speaker 1: than the ones we know well, the four House ghosts
• 2:19:29
  Speaker 1: moaning Myrtle Peeves, et cetera, the Headless hunt for one.
• 2:19:33
  Speaker 1: But also, as I remember, there were some other ghosts
• 2:19:36
  Speaker 1: who attended the party. If they don't reside at Hogwarts,
• 2:19:40
  Speaker 1: how do they travel to get to the party, communicate
• 2:19:43
  Speaker 1: to get the invitation and so on? And I certainly
• 2:19:46
  Speaker 1: want that death day party to be included in the
• 2:19:48
  Speaker 1: TV show.
• 2:19:51
  Speaker 4: I bet we will see it in the TV show
• 2:19:53
  Speaker 4: for sure.
• 2:19:55
  Speaker 3: In the meantime, the PlayStation two game you should want
• 2:20:02
  Speaker 3: video game?
• 2:20:05
  Speaker 1: Yeah, I mean could the invitation? Can they like create
• 2:20:10
  Speaker 1: ghost objects? So they could like make a ghost invitation
• 2:20:14
  Speaker 1: and put it in a ghost envelope and send.
• 2:20:16
  Speaker 2: It on its way.
• 2:20:18
  Speaker 5: Well, we kind of talked about that last episode Amy,
• 2:20:21
  Speaker 5: like with a bloody baron it changed. Yeah, and that's
• 2:20:24
  Speaker 5: like creating like a ghost object in a way.
• 2:20:28
  Speaker 2: Yeah. Interesting, good questions, Jerry.
• 2:20:32
  Speaker 4: Yeah.
• 2:20:34
  Speaker 1: And then Lucy asked, is it a choice if they
• 2:20:39
  Speaker 1: want to cross over or are they now stuck in limbo.
• 2:20:43
  Speaker 2: What are the perks compared to death death?
• 2:20:48
  Speaker 1: Do you think advancement in the mugg of world should
• 2:20:51
  Speaker 1: be implemented in the Wizarding World?
• 2:20:54
  Speaker 2: Like you, like you have seen a lot of changes.
• 2:20:57
  Speaker 1: Oh so that's probably like asking the ghost like, because
• 2:21:02
  Speaker 1: they've witnessed a lot of technological changes, and should those
• 2:21:06
  Speaker 1: be implemented in the Wizarding World?
• 2:21:11
  Speaker 2: Can you turn into a paltergeist and other way around?
• 2:21:14
  Speaker 2: Or is it sat from the beginning so that one.
• 2:21:19
  Speaker 1: I know, we talked about a little bit that they're
• 2:21:21
  Speaker 1: like two different things, So poltergeist isn't necessarily a ghost.
• 2:21:28
  Speaker 2: Have you ever haunted someone?
• 2:21:31
  Speaker 5: Like?
• 2:21:31
  Speaker 2: You must have thought about it at some point. It
• 2:21:33
  Speaker 2: kind of seems fun. Lucy says, absolutely, I would want
• 2:21:37
  Speaker 2: to haunt somebody. There's a few people I think I
• 2:21:40
  Speaker 2: would really want to mess with.
• 2:21:42
  Speaker 3: Yeah, yeah, so fun.
• 2:21:46
  Speaker 2: That'd be great. I'd be a really petty ghost.
• 2:21:51
  Speaker 5: Me too.
• 2:21:54
  Speaker 1: And then she also asks you can move locations correct,
• 2:22:00
  Speaker 1: as having so many at Hogwarts seems sus but then
• 2:22:05
  Speaker 1: again safety dot dot dot.
• 2:22:10
  Speaker 2: Yeah, I don't know.
• 2:22:13
  Speaker 1: I feel like they probably choose Hogwarts just because of
• 2:22:16
  Speaker 1: like a strong connection to it, and maybe just all
• 2:22:20
  Speaker 1: the magic that's there.
• 2:22:21
  Speaker 2: But yeah, yeah, lots of good questions.
• 2:22:30
  Speaker 1: And then yeah, last night when we were watching Chamber
• 2:22:32
  Speaker 1: of Secrets, Nicole and I kind of thought of another
• 2:22:36
  Speaker 1: question that we have.
• 2:22:39
  Speaker 2: Okay, so first of all, how can a ghost get petrified?
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  Speaker 1: Second, how would once they're petrified, how exactly would you
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  Speaker 1: give them the Mandrake draft if they can't eat?
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  Speaker 2: Which has been established?
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  Speaker 3: Right, we did this this in a previous episode, did we?
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  Speaker 1: Yes?
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  Speaker 3: Remember, yes, we did. I'm one hundred percent sure that
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  Speaker 3: we did.
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  Speaker 4: Did we talk about like osmosis like or absorption or something.
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  Speaker 2: I'm pretty sure that was our theory.
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  Speaker 3: I don't remember what episode it was, but.
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  Speaker 2: Maybe it was our Plotholes episode, I think, yeah, or
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  Speaker 2: something we.
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  Speaker 3: Were talking about they you know, become unpetrified if they couldn't.
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  Speaker 4: Be you know.
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  Speaker 5: Yeah, this is why we need all of us here,
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  Speaker 5: because one of us remember something like that. Yes, I
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  Speaker 5: remember us talking about osmosis or something like that. Yeah,
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  Speaker 5: picture like Madame Pomfrey, like spraying, like in a sprayer
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  Speaker 5: and just like eventually Enough will be absorbed into his
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  Speaker 5: ghostly form.
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  Speaker 3: By his aura, by his Yeah.
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  Speaker 4: Yeah, I mean how did.
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  Speaker 5: Any of them did they just like even the humans
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  Speaker 5: did they just like pour it down their throat, Like
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  Speaker 5: I think we could ask us about all of them,
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  Speaker 5: but especially like the ghosts, Like, yeah, I just have
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  Speaker 5: like a lot of questions about about that.
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  Speaker 3: And they inject it. Maybe there's nothing.
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  Speaker 4: To inject it into.
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  Speaker 5: You can't like you would just sport it and it
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  Speaker 5: would just go through, but then it's weird.
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  Speaker 2: Your hand in the middle of their stomach and like
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  Speaker 2: hold like an open cup of it and just like
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  Speaker 2: hope that it Like I don't know, I don't know.
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  Speaker 4: I think it's a small sis.
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  Speaker 5: I think you just keep springing it, like and then
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  Speaker 5: how did they when when like the when he was
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  Speaker 5: as a ghost, when you were petrified? How do you
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  Speaker 5: keep their form like.
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  Speaker 4: Still? Like how does it not just float away?
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  Speaker 5: I just thought of that one.
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  Speaker 2: You just have to keep like waving it back to
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  Speaker 2: the hospital wing.
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  Speaker 5: Right, Like you can't like tie it down. It's not
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  Speaker 5: going to lay in the bed. You can't like tie
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  Speaker 5: it down.
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  Speaker 4: It's not a.
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  Speaker 5: Yeah, like put a bubble around it so it doesn't float.
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  Speaker 3: Was nearly had Nick rotating, I have that you haven't one.
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  Speaker 5: He's just kind of yeah, he's just kind of there
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  Speaker 5: with his head and steam coming out.
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  Speaker 4: Of his snack.
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  Speaker 3: I remember the steam. Yeah, interesting questions.
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  Speaker 5: Yes, anyways, lots of questions and yeah, do you have
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  Speaker 5: any questions Tom, because.
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  Speaker 3: We didn't have you actually, I yeah, like I and
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  Speaker 3: I remember us talking about this too. I think I
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  Speaker 3: remember reading this in Order of the Phoenix. I could
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  Speaker 3: be wrong, but I do you think that? And we
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  Speaker 3: also talked about this and when we talked about you know,
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  Speaker 3: the the Weasley Twins. But I was wondering if if
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  Speaker 3: it's so like every wizard has that choice of coming
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  Speaker 3: as you know, a ghost or not.
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  Speaker 4: Yeah, right, yeah, that was one of our questions too.
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  Speaker 5: Is that?
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  Speaker 3: But isn't it? Isn't it mentioned in Order of Phoenix
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  Speaker 3: after Serious passes away.
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  Speaker 5: They have like a split moment. Well, we don't know
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  Speaker 5: how long we talked about that too. We don't know
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  Speaker 5: how long they have to make the choice. But it's
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  Speaker 5: basically like you die and you've got some it almost
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  Speaker 5: seems like you've got this really quick decision to make
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  Speaker 5: if you want to continue to pass on or if
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  Speaker 5: you want to come back, and maybe something like with Serious,
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  Speaker 5: like when you die really suddenly like that you almost don't.
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  Speaker 4: Have the ability to make that choice because it was
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  Speaker 4: just so like, yeah.
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  Speaker 3: He was pushed into the bill. Yeah, yeah, hmm, Yeah, we.
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  Speaker 4: Just don't know enough about the logistics.
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  Speaker 5: How it works.
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  Speaker 3: That's kind of been that, yeah. Like and also some
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  Speaker 3: really good questions that haven't brought up here. It would
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  Speaker 3: be really cool to have like an official encyclopedia on
• 2:27:00
  Speaker 3: ghosts and many more things.
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  Speaker 5: We need more more Potter more writings on it, and
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  Speaker 5: there is Potter more writings on the ghost But a
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  Speaker 5: lot of these questions that are there obviously still very unanswered.
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  Speaker 4: That's why we still have them. Yeah.
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  Speaker 5: Yeah.
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  Speaker 3: So for our discussion question, what do you think are
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  Speaker 3: the most impressive special effects in the Fantastic Piece films?
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• 2:28:00
  Speaker 5: Well, I think, if anything, this episode has made me
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  Speaker 5: want to go back and watch the films.
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  Speaker 4: For sure and see everything.
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  Speaker 1: We need another marathon, yes, and definitely, you know, keep
• 2:28:13
  Speaker 1: an eye out for our upcoming episodes because we'll have
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  Speaker 1: some good stuff to discuss.
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  Speaker 2: With Tom Felton's performance and Curse.
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  Speaker 3: Child, so looking forward to that.
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  Speaker 2: Mm hmmm, that will be coming, so stay tuned until then.
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