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Is the new Hummer EV the Ultimate Superlander? · The Overland Journal Podcast

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  Speaker 1: Hello, and welcome to the Overland Journal podcast. I'm your
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  Speaker 1: host Scott Brady, and I'm with my co host Matt
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  Speaker 1: Swartz hither and we're going to talk about It's an
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  Speaker 1: electrifying subject. We're going to get a terrible pie of
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  Speaker 1: bad jokes.
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  Speaker 2: Got to get them in there every chance you can, though, So.
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  Speaker 1: We're going to talk about the Hummer ev which I
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  Speaker 1: will say off the bat is an extremely exciting vehicle
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  Speaker 1: on specification and in practice, and we're going to talk
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  Speaker 1: about our experience with that vehicle.
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  Speaker 3: Over the last two days in Arizona, and we're going
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  Speaker 3: to go through the specs.
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  Speaker 1: We're going to go through all of our impressions and
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  Speaker 1: our opinions on the vehicle and what it does great
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  Speaker 1: at and what it doesn't do so great at.
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  Speaker 3: Really fun vehicle.
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  Speaker 1: Overall, and special thanks to Equipped for supporting today's podcast.
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  Speaker 1: com to gear up before we do that? What's new?
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  Speaker 3: Man? What's going on? Man?
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  Speaker 2: Lots of stuff? Honestly, I just had the truck in
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  Speaker 2: at Summit four by four, which is our local specialty
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  Speaker 2: off road vehicle shop up here in Prescotte. Those guys
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  Speaker 2: were installing a new AEV lift in our twenty five
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  Speaker 2: hundred RAM. So it's so good. It looks really good.
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  Speaker 2: It looks really good. Yeah, it changed the character of
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  Speaker 2: that truck so much. And in editions of the lift
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  Speaker 2: we put on some seventeen inch wheels also from AEV
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  Speaker 2: with thirty seven inch time and so yeah, going from
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  Speaker 2: the OEM standard on the road sure wheel tire combo
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  Speaker 2: to what is really like a proper wheel for overland
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  Speaker 2: driving off road adventures, it's totally different.
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  Speaker 1: It just matches the flotation to the weight of the truck.
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  Speaker 1: So it's just going to really improve your You'll find
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  Speaker 1: in the snow it's going to do better. You'll find
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  Speaker 1: in the sand it's going to do better. Mud it'll
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  Speaker 1: do better. A little more floatation, but it looks it
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  Speaker 1: looks great. And I've always been such a huge fan
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  Speaker 1: of the Tradesmen, So see the Tradesman project coming along
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  Speaker 1: like that is great.
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  Speaker 2: I'm really looking forward to producing some video content around
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  Speaker 2: this this upgrade, specifically because I was lucky enough to
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  Speaker 2: have AV support with the new dual Sport suspension package
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  Speaker 2: that they're doing in so that has the new Bilsteen
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  Speaker 2: eighty one hundred shock in it, which is a remote
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  Speaker 2: reservoir shock, and it's it's just like it's so beefy
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  Speaker 2: and you know, AEV tunes everything so that you get
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  Speaker 2: like a very close to well, you maintain OEM performance, right,
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  Speaker 2: you maintain your OEM spring so you have those same
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  Speaker 2: spring rates and everything. So performance is not diminished in
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  Speaker 2: any way as far as towing more payload, but you
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  Speaker 2: have just such a much more comfortable ride. And even
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  Speaker 2: in the minimal amount of driving I done since getting
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  Speaker 2: the truck back, it's already noticeable. I mean, it is
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  Speaker 2: it just feels so much more plush, and the.
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  Speaker 3: Tires help as well.
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  Speaker 1: Definitely, you have more carcass that can you know, absorb
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  Speaker 1: energy from the road and impacts and like attenuate a
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  Speaker 1: little bit of that.
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  Speaker 3: And you did a General tire look.
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  Speaker 2: Like we put General at x AT tires on there.
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  Speaker 2: So they're aggressive. They've got you know, some serious tread
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  Speaker 2: coming down onto the sidewall, so you get that protection
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  Speaker 2: and that extra traction when you air down the tires.
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  Speaker 2: I think they're a great tire for someone like us
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  Speaker 2: who does a lot of towing too. You know, they're
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  Speaker 2: not overly aggressive like a mud terrain. They're not going
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  Speaker 2: to hopefully affect our gas mileage quite as much. But
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  Speaker 2: they have a really good warranty on them. I think
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  Speaker 2: they're fifty thousand miles. I think we're supposed to run
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  Speaker 2: them at about fifty psi, which is a little bit
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  Speaker 2: less at the high end than what we're used to.
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  Speaker 2: The truck calls for sixty psi in the OEM tires.
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  Speaker 2: So even that yes, oftens the ride to see it will.
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  Speaker 1: It'll make a difference. It'll make a difference also on
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  Speaker 1: the trail and everything else. So now that you can
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  Speaker 1: go so much lower on air pressure. It's gonna well.
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  Speaker 1: And you already took the truck out for a little
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  Speaker 1: bit of an evaluation, so we find yeah fun to
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  Speaker 1: get your thoughts and future videos. You just dropped your
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  Speaker 1: first segment video on that truck, so you can everybody
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  Speaker 1: can check that out on YouTube.
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  Speaker 3: Yep. And you're getting ready to leave Arizona. Where you heading?
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, So my partner Amanda, and our dog Royal and
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  Speaker 2: I are all gonna load up the airstream and we're
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  Speaker 2: going to head up to Grand Junction to start off.
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  Speaker 2: So going to be hopefully doing some paragliding there. There's
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  Speaker 2: a great spot for ridge soaring. And I also have
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  Speaker 2: two of the most important people to me. There are others,
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  Speaker 2: but yeah, sure two of them one of my brothers,
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  Speaker 2: my youngest brother Tom, and one of my best friends
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  Speaker 2: in the world, Ethan. They're both going to come out
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  Speaker 2: from the East coast and they're going to join us.
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  Speaker 2: We're going to do a four day backpacking route back
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  Speaker 2: behind the Colorado National Mind amazing. Yeah, it's going to
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  Speaker 2: be nice, lots of solitude. There's a wilderness area back
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  Speaker 2: there that few people visit, and so in the few
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  Speaker 2: times i've been there, I've seen like one or two
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  Speaker 2: other people.
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  Speaker 3: Oh, that'll be magic, that's amazing. Yeah, what about you,
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  Speaker 3: what's going on with you?
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  Speaker 1: You know, we're getting ready for the Overland Expo WES,
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  Speaker 1: so we're starting to get ramped up for that. I'm
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  Speaker 1: getting a new Scout with some updates that they've done.
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  Speaker 1: We didn't have any issues with the scout we have now,
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  Speaker 1: but they wanted to make sure that we were able
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  Speaker 1: to evaluate some of these new updates that they've been doing,
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  Speaker 1: which is great. They've got some new door configurations. They
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  Speaker 1: simplify things a little bit, remove some weight, so it's
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  Speaker 1: even more durable and minimalist than it was before, which
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  Speaker 1: is for me, is awesome.
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  Speaker 3: So yeah, I'm excited to get that new one.
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  Speaker 2: You like a camper that's very simple analog.
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  Speaker 1: As analog as possible, because what you really want, I find,
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  Speaker 1: or what should rephrase that, what I really want in
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  Speaker 1: a camper is a quiet, comfortable, and then warm if
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  Speaker 1: necessary place to sleep, and the Scout just totally rocks
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  Speaker 1: that for a reasonable amount of money, so.
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  Speaker 2: And without the complication of a lot of the systems
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  Speaker 2: that are kind of standard in other campers.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, and everybody's going to have different needs, and for me,
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  Speaker 1: I'm happy with just having like a goal zero in
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  Speaker 1: there and very minimal electronics and very minimal systems. I
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  Speaker 1: don't need it to make hot water for me or
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  Speaker 1: have a water pump or anything like that. I just
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  Speaker 1: I want a really comfortable, quiet place to do work
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  Speaker 1: and then a comfortable, quiet place to sleep at night
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  Speaker 1: despite the conditions. So for me, the simplicity was king.
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  Speaker 3: Yeah.
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  Speaker 1: So a lot going on with us with the Overland
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  Speaker 1: Expo coming up, that's an exciting time of year. Oh yeah,
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  Speaker 1: and we've got a couple more vehicle launches coming up
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  Speaker 1: that are also really exciting. Some other new full sized
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  Speaker 1: truck products that are coming out with a lot more
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  Speaker 1: capability that we're going to be able to evaluate. The
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  Speaker 1: full sized truck segment continues to blossom. Like we had
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  Speaker 1: the power wagon that was it, but now we've got
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  Speaker 1: super trucks and other vehicles with front and rear lockers
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  Speaker 1: and everything else.
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  Speaker 3: So it's pretty exciting.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, it's hard to deny that payload. Yeah, yeah, it
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  Speaker 2: really makes a difference. I mean we were talking about
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  Speaker 2: that in the truck this morning driving up of just
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  Speaker 2: eighty four is just it's just like a great car
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  Speaker 2: to drive.
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  Speaker 3: It's just it's great on the highway.
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  Speaker 1: I can take it to home depot and get whatever
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  Speaker 1: I want to grab and throw a camper in the
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  Speaker 1: back of it, or go do most trails. I mean,
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  Speaker 1: they are definitely size limited. There's no question. It's not
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  Speaker 1: as capable as like my g Wagon was, for example,
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  Speaker 1: but a lot more trails than you'd think.
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  Speaker 2: When you have that awesome low displacement diesel engine that
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  Speaker 2: it just like gets incredible gas mileage considering the size
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  Speaker 2: of that vehicle.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, that's the winner for me. I mean, if I
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  Speaker 1: was to say anything about the truck that I love
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  Speaker 1: the most, it's that drive train. It's the three liter
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  Speaker 1: turbo diesel with a ten speed automatic to get like
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  Speaker 1: even in a four hundred mile evaluation range on fuel economy,
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  Speaker 1: I've gotten as high as twenty four point eight miles
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  Speaker 1: per gallon. It's got larger tires on it, right, it's
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  Speaker 1: upgraded to a Beef cood Rich almost a thirty five.
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  Speaker 1: It's got a little bit heavier wheels on it as well.
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  Speaker 1: Other than that, it's pretty stock, but it's incredible the
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  Speaker 1: gas miloge it gets Yeah. We were seeing twenty today
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  Speaker 1: on I seventeen with a Putco rack and an i
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  Speaker 1: caamper rooftent on the top of it.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah that doesn't exactly. Yeah, I mean it sticks out
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  Speaker 2: a little bit.
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  Speaker 1: It does, Yeah, it does. Yeah, so it's pretty interesting.
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  Speaker 1: They just keep getting better and better. We'll talk about
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  Speaker 1: getting yet better and better. I mean, we just tested
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  Speaker 1: a super truck for a couple of days in Arizona,
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  Speaker 1: which is a great experience. We're going to rift through
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  Speaker 1: a couple of the considerations around the vehicle, but Matt
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  Speaker 1: and I thought it would be fun to talk through
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  Speaker 1: some of the key specs. I actually ran out of
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  Speaker 1: room on my piece of paper and I needed to
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  Speaker 1: move some.
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  Speaker 3: Of the segments.
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  Speaker 1: Now, because there's so many crazy things about this vehicle,
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  Speaker 1: and we can start with something that has nothing to
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  Speaker 1: do with overlanding, but it has.
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  Speaker 3: To do with life is short and you might as
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  Speaker 3: well have some fun. Joy. Yeah, there's just joy. Yeah, exactly.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, this is right within the joy category, which is
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  Speaker 1: zero to sixty and three seconds, which we experienced oh
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  Speaker 1: the other day.
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  Speaker 2: We have the go pro footage to prove it.
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  Speaker 1: We do, and we'll probably be able to put that
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  Speaker 1: here in the podcast, like our expressions.
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  Speaker 2: I already watched mine. I have a stupid look on
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  Speaker 2: my face. You know, obviously I haven't seen yet a
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  Speaker 2: big grin afterwards.
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  Speaker 1: Oh I haven't. I haven't watched mine yet. That's so, yeah,
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  Speaker 1: I should pull it up right now. Get like the
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  Speaker 1: real time the reaction of your reaction. Yeah, you like
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  Speaker 1: you feel your vision actually narrowing because the acceleration is
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  Speaker 1: so prodigious.
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  Speaker 2: It's percent Yeah, just getting pressed back into that seat
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  Speaker 2: like you're in a rocket ship.
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  Speaker 3: It felt like a rocket ship.
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  Speaker 1: And it just doesn't make any of the traditional internal
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  Speaker 1: combustion engine noises. So it's just just like this violent acceleration,
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  Speaker 1: which was that was super fun. Oh yeah, so we'll
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  Speaker 1: go into that a little bit more. And it achieves
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  Speaker 1: that with one thousand horsepower and twelve hundred foot pounds
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  Speaker 1: of torque at the motor GMC hummer they talk about
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  Speaker 1: eleven thousand, five hundred foot pounds of torque, and we
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  Speaker 1: actually found out like what does that actually mean?
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  Speaker 2: It takes a math to get there. It's kind of
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  Speaker 2: unique to an electric vehicle, well, well not just an
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  Speaker 2: electric vehicle any but a lot of vehicles if you
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  Speaker 2: did the math out exact way they're doing, could advertise
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  Speaker 2: a higher torque output, right correct.
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  Speaker 1: It seems like this insane number. It's actually requires some context.
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  Speaker 1: So the eleven five hundred foot pounds of torque is
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  Speaker 1: the torque that's at the wheels and which means that
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  Speaker 1: it's going through they have a motor drive unit, and
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  Speaker 1: that motor drive unit has gearing, and that gearing affects
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  Speaker 1: the leverage of the torque that's available from the motor. Now,
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  Speaker 1: the thing that we don't know for sure is how
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  Speaker 1: the tire diameter how that factors in, Like is that
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  Speaker 1: when they say at the wheel, is that at the
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  Speaker 1: hub of the wheel, is that at the outer diameter
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  Speaker 1: of the wheel. It doesn't specify that, so that might
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  Speaker 1: be interesting for us to find out at some point.
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  Speaker 1: As an example, we were watching a YouTube video trying
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  Speaker 1: to learn the difference between the two and the guy
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  Speaker 1: who was speaking was talking about the example of a
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  Speaker 1: Dodge Damon. So that is a vehicle that has just
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  Speaker 1: under one thousand foot pounds of torque at the motor
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  Speaker 1: and because it goes through a transmission with a first
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  Speaker 1: gear of four point set and two and then goes
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  Speaker 1: through a final drive in the rear axle. I believe
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  Speaker 1: it was three point h nine was the number that
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  Speaker 1: Punds right that he used. It actually ends up generating
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  Speaker 1: fourteen thousand plus foot pounds of torque at the wheel.
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  Speaker 1: When you compare them like a Dodge Damon, it's a
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  Speaker 1: It is a crazy fast car effect. I think it's
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  Speaker 1: one of the fastest products zero to sixty quarter mile
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  Speaker 1: production vehicles that you can buy.
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  Speaker 3: So that's amazing.
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  Speaker 1: So when we put that in the context of the SuperTruck,
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  Speaker 1: it just shows how fast it is.
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  Speaker 3: So those numbers are similar.
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  Speaker 1: In fact, the damon makes more foot pounds of torque
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  Speaker 1: at the wheel than the super truck does. This ten
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  Speaker 1: thousand pound hummer goes zero to sixty and three seconds.
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  Speaker 2: I mean, real's that's the part that really catches you
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  Speaker 2: off guard. It's a ten thousand pound vehicle. It is
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  Speaker 2: not small at all. No, it's huge, like just the
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  Speaker 2: dimensions of it, not just the weight. Yeah, it drives
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  Speaker 2: like a smaller vehicle.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, which we found out during the testing and we'll
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  Speaker 1: talk about that in a second. It has three motors
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  Speaker 1: on board. It has two motors in the rear so
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  Speaker 1: it has this very interesting like combined motor drive unit.
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  Speaker 1: The castings that keep these things attached to the chassis
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  Speaker 1: or massive. It's independent front and rear with front and
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  Speaker 1: rear steering, and the half shafts are massive. I mean
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  Speaker 1: they look like like something that you know, you would
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  Speaker 1: see in a F four fifty or something like that.
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  Speaker 3: They're absolutely massive. I remember you pointing that out.
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  Speaker 2: I mean when we were looking at the when they
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  Speaker 2: had the bear you know, the ultium platform chassis for
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  Speaker 2: us to have a look at. And I found that
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  Speaker 2: really interesting and I also was really interested. I mean
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  Speaker 2: you just mentioned it has the three motors. In electric vehicles,
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  Speaker 2: I think we've gotten used to seeing the motor unit
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  Speaker 2: in the hub right at the wheel. But yeah, but
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  Speaker 2: the Hummer EV is different. It is the motors are
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  Speaker 2: on the inside on the chassis, and that provides actually
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  Speaker 2: some some advantages in some ways.
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  Speaker 3: It does.
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  Speaker 1: It provides it allows for the opportunity for a larger
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  Speaker 1: motor with more power. It also allows you to do
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  Speaker 1: some really effective cooling around it.
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  Speaker 3: That was the one that was the one I remembered. Yeah.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, and I know that the Rivian, for example, under
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  Speaker 1: certain conditions, the motors can get really hot, low speed,
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  Speaker 1: high torque, low airflow. The ones in the wheel, they
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  Speaker 1: can only dissipate heat so much whereas they had during
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  Speaker 1: movement right correct, Yeah, like low speed movement, whereas the
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  Speaker 1: hummer has these oil cooled. The way that the engineer
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  Speaker 1: described it to us is that you have this oil
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  Speaker 1: reservoir and it pumps oil through the electric motors, and
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  Speaker 1: then that oil goes through a heat exchanger which is
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  Speaker 1: actually a glycol loop. And as I remember, they use
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  Speaker 1: some of that also to generate heat within the cabin.
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  Speaker 1: They do a lot of very cool things that help
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  Speaker 1: them do that. And then each individual battery pack has
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  Speaker 1: twenty They have twenty four battery packs, twenty four cells
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  Speaker 1: per pack. Each one of those is cooled with a
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  Speaker 1: cooling plate, so very clever how they manage heat with
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  Speaker 1: all of that current. I think when we were getting
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  Speaker 1: to the trailhead, it was this monster Arizona storm, and
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  Speaker 1: I was saying that, like, how does it feel to
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  Speaker 1: be like in this torrential rainstorm, sitting on one point
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  Speaker 1: three jigawatts of I mean, there's so much power, Like
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  Speaker 1: you feel like you can power an entire block with
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  Speaker 1: that thing.
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  Speaker 3: Totally.
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  Speaker 2: You need the flex capacitor right behind your shoulder.
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  Speaker 3: Oh yeah, I didn't want.
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  Speaker 1: Like one of the engineers said, like, if you look
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  Speaker 1: in the icons of all the icons you can pick
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  Speaker 1: for the accessories, I think there might be a flex
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  Speaker 1: capacitor in there. So it's just fun. The little of
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  Speaker 1: the little easter eggs. I think you're really awesome. Totally,
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  Speaker 1: three motors, two in the rear, one in the front,
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  Speaker 1: and then it does have a differential in the front
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  Speaker 1: with an electric locker. The front is a E locker
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  Speaker 1: electrically activated mechanical driver actuated locker. In the rear, I
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  Speaker 1: would call it like a V locker, a virtual locker.
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  Speaker 1: So it has two motor drives so they match the
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  Speaker 1: motor speeds very tightly. There are some some factors that
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  Speaker 1: can influence that, but they match the motor speeds very
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  Speaker 1: tight in rpm. So you end up with essentially the
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  Speaker 1: effect of a locker with no wheel spin from one
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  Speaker 1: side to the other. But it's very clever how it
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  Speaker 1: does it because even like in a really tight turn,
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  Speaker 1: if it's noticing a lot of scrub then the vehicle
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  Speaker 1: can actually loosen.
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  Speaker 3: Up that locker a little bit.
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  Speaker 1: So I didn't get quite the same scrubbing that you
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  Speaker 1: would feel with a mechanical locker.
• 15:05
  Speaker 2: So it's not kind of fighting you on those tight
• 15:07
  Speaker 2: turns and things like that.
• 15:08
  Speaker 1: Correct, And it also allows them to put in some
• 15:10
  Speaker 1: safety guards as well, where if one particular wheel is
• 15:15
  Speaker 1: at some extreme amount of torque or extreme amount of pressure,
• 15:19
  Speaker 1: they could probably back that off a little bit to
• 15:21
  Speaker 1: help preserve some of the mechanical components. So even though
• 15:24
  Speaker 1: it says it's locked and in every effect it was
• 15:28
  Speaker 1: like yesterday, it worked exactly how you would want a
• 15:30
  Speaker 1: locker to work. So I don't want to take anything
• 15:32
  Speaker 1: away from this. I actually think like it's an electric
• 15:35
  Speaker 1: electronic locker, but better so it does all of the
• 15:37
  Speaker 1: things you want.
• 15:38
  Speaker 3: An electro smart locker.
• 15:39
  Speaker 1: It is, yeah, for sure, which is which is awesome,
• 15:42
  Speaker 1: very interesting how they set that up. It's got Ultravision,
• 15:45
  Speaker 1: which is their eighteen camera view camera system.
• 15:48
  Speaker 2: A number of camera views has insane, Yeah, and it's awesome.
• 15:52
  Speaker 3: It is really impressive.
• 15:53
  Speaker 2: I mean especially for a vehicle of that size, you know,
• 15:55
  Speaker 2: I mean like there's no ego in this, Like if
• 15:57
  Speaker 2: you're piloting a vehicle of that size, it's so helpful.
• 16:00
  Speaker 2: To have some cameras to look it really just gives
• 16:02
  Speaker 2: you a lot more confidence as a driver.
• 16:04
  Speaker 3: It was your favorite view overall.
• 16:06
  Speaker 2: I mean, I think the one that felt most practical
• 16:08
  Speaker 2: to me was was just the front view, you know,
• 16:11
  Speaker 2: below like kind of grill height looking forward, because there
• 16:14
  Speaker 2: are a lot of instances on the test drive where
• 16:16
  Speaker 2: you know, we're cresting steep little sections where all I
• 16:19
  Speaker 2: could see was sky right, and then I could just
• 16:21
  Speaker 2: a big hood, Yeah it is, and you know, being
• 16:24
  Speaker 2: able to easily glance down at the infotainment screen, which
• 16:26
  Speaker 2: was giant, it was like twelve inches I think at least,
• 16:29
  Speaker 2: and being able to just drive off of that for
• 16:31
  Speaker 2: you know, two seconds until I had a view of
• 16:33
  Speaker 2: the trail out the windshield again, it was It was fantastic.
• 16:36
  Speaker 3: Yeah.
• 16:36
  Speaker 1: I like that combination of that view with the overhead
• 16:40
  Speaker 1: view where it's this compilation of all of the camera
• 16:42
  Speaker 1: views that they stitch into this like basically like a
• 16:46
  Speaker 1: drone view perspective of where the vehicle's out on the trail.
• 16:49
  Speaker 1: I found that really helpful as well. I like the
• 16:51
  Speaker 1: fact that it had those under chassis cameras. Yeah, they
• 16:55
  Speaker 1: use a hydrophobic coating that helps to keep water from
• 17:00
  Speaker 1: collecting on the lenses, and then they even have little
• 17:02
  Speaker 1: sprayers to clean them off because of course under the
• 17:05
  Speaker 1: chassis gets a bunch of dirt and grime. But the
• 17:07
  Speaker 1: thing you notice right away is this underbody is completely flat.
• 17:11
  Speaker 2: Yeah, it looks it almost looks like like a toy
• 17:13
  Speaker 2: car on the bottom. There's nothing to get hung up,
• 17:16
  Speaker 2: that's right. It's just like a smooth, one giant smooth
• 17:19
  Speaker 2: skid plate that can just glide off of anything.
• 17:21
  Speaker 1: And they had so many specifications around preventing these batteries
• 17:25
  Speaker 1: from getting punctured on rocks and everything else like that,
• 17:28
  Speaker 1: because they wanted to build the ultimate electric off road vehicle,
• 17:31
  Speaker 1: so they had all these intense requirements around performance. But
• 17:35
  Speaker 1: that means you're rock crawling and everything else. So you
• 17:37
  Speaker 1: can come down on skid plates and it's just this
• 17:39
  Speaker 1: full length boron steel skid plate, so super strong, super light,
• 17:45
  Speaker 1: a high degree of puncture resistance, and totally flat. There's
• 17:48
  Speaker 1: just a couple of little holes for probably air cooling
• 17:51
  Speaker 1: and stuff like that.
• 17:52
  Speaker 3: But yeah, pretty interesting.
• 17:53
  Speaker 1: We're used to seeing exhaust hanging down and differentials hanging down,
• 17:56
  Speaker 1: and shock mounts hanging down and all of that is
• 17:58
  Speaker 1: tucked up with the end of suspension and that skid plate.
• 18:01
  Speaker 2: Yeah, that's a whole different mentality that you can take
• 18:04
  Speaker 2: onto the trail when you're not so worried about getting
• 18:06
  Speaker 2: something off or damaging something that's going to disable your vehicle.
• 18:09
  Speaker 3: And then what did you think about the range at
• 18:11
  Speaker 3: three hundred and fifty miles.
• 18:13
  Speaker 2: We drove all day? Yeah, literally all day had power
• 18:16
  Speaker 2: to spare. When we got back to our final destination.
• 18:18
  Speaker 1: We did I think we came in at just about
• 18:20
  Speaker 1: fifty percent based upon the bar graph.
• 18:23
  Speaker 3: Yeah. Yeah, we left in the morning, we drove an
• 18:25
  Speaker 3: hour to the trail, an hour of highway driving. Yeah,
• 18:28
  Speaker 3: and then we which we drove entirely at the speed limit.
• 18:31
  Speaker 2: Of course, you know, would never exceed, never the speed
• 18:34
  Speaker 2: limit or any conditions, never hours of off road driving.
• 18:38
  Speaker 3: Yeah. And then we did it twice.
• 18:39
  Speaker 1: So we had a pre lunch off road route and
• 18:42
  Speaker 1: then a post lunch off road route and they were
• 18:44
  Speaker 1: several I think probably about two hours at least each.
• 18:47
  Speaker 3: Yeah.
• 18:47
  Speaker 2: Now it wasn't non stop, you know, we would pause
• 18:50
  Speaker 2: because we were in a group. But sure it also
• 18:52
  Speaker 2: wasn't like getting out every five minutes and hanging out
• 18:54
  Speaker 2: like we were driving.
• 18:56
  Speaker 3: That's right.
• 18:56
  Speaker 2: You know, some obstacles that required some significant accel or
• 19:00
  Speaker 2: input for sure, you know, not just a forest service road.
• 19:03
  Speaker 2: There were some technical sections.
• 19:05
  Speaker 1: I thought, so yeah, and then to come back another
• 19:07
  Speaker 1: hour drive back to the hotel and we got there
• 19:09
  Speaker 1: and we were like half a tank, half a battery,
• 19:12
  Speaker 1: half a battery.
• 19:13
  Speaker 3: Yeah, it was pretty impressive. That surprised me.
• 19:16
  Speaker 2: I think I think a lot of people who are
• 19:18
  Speaker 2: concerned about range with EV's. I don't want to say
• 19:21
  Speaker 2: it's unfounded, but there's an anxiety that we have of
• 19:24
  Speaker 2: not being able to fill up kind of at will
• 19:27
  Speaker 2: an EV. But I think that in practice, when you
• 19:29
  Speaker 2: get behind the wheel and you and you really take
• 19:31
  Speaker 2: one out that you know, one purely an EV, not
• 19:34
  Speaker 2: a hybrid, but an EV that has a significant range
• 19:37
  Speaker 2: like this, you find that it's fine.
• 19:39
  Speaker 1: Yeah, And they didn't they say that like with this,
• 19:41
  Speaker 1: with the equivalent of a supercharger, you can go from
• 19:44
  Speaker 1: twenty to eighty percent and forty minutes. Was that the
• 19:46
  Speaker 1: spec that we had. That's that's what I remember hearing. Yeah,
• 19:49
  Speaker 1: that's impressive. I mean like that, you know, just go
• 19:51
  Speaker 1: have a nice coffee or enjoy lunch and.
• 19:53
  Speaker 3: I'm ready to go.
• 19:54
  Speaker 2: I may be mistaken, but I remember them saying you
• 19:56
  Speaker 2: could get one hundred miles in ten minutes of charging.
• 19:59
  Speaker 3: That's fast. Yeah, Yeah, that's great. Yeah.
• 20:01
  Speaker 1: And that's all the things we're learning. I mean, we're
• 20:03
  Speaker 1: just the beginning of all that, and they're learning stuff
• 20:07
  Speaker 1: so quickly. There's so much pressure on innovation in the segment.
• 20:10
  Speaker 1: They know the resistance that consumers have to electric vehicles
• 20:13
  Speaker 1: and they're actively trying to take away those reasons to
• 20:16
  Speaker 1: say no. The suspension is it's four wheel independent air
• 20:20
  Speaker 1: bag suspension. So it has currently three modes on height.
• 20:25
  Speaker 1: There's an entry access mode height. When you go to
• 20:27
  Speaker 1: watts to freedom for the zero to sixty launch, it
• 20:30
  Speaker 1: lowers the vehicle down quite a bit as well automatically,
• 20:33
  Speaker 1: and then it has like a normal mode that you
• 20:35
  Speaker 1: can drive around, and then it has this off road mode.
• 20:39
  Speaker 1: With a future update, they said that there's going to
• 20:41
  Speaker 1: be an extract mode which essentially lifts the Hummer six inches.
• 20:45
  Speaker 1: And we saw one parked out in the parking lot
• 20:48
  Speaker 1: in extract mode and it's like it is way up there.
• 20:51
  Speaker 1: I mean, the arms are at quite the angle. But
• 20:54
  Speaker 1: if you were a high centered on a ledge, or
• 20:56
  Speaker 1: you were stuck in a little bit of mud, or
• 20:58
  Speaker 1: you came down on a log or something like that,
• 21:00
  Speaker 1: it'd be really easy to get out with that. I
• 21:02
  Speaker 1: thought that was really clever. Yeah, it's got this infinity
• 21:05
  Speaker 1: roof that I thought was really interesting.
• 21:07
  Speaker 2: Did you think so when we're on the trail and
• 21:09
  Speaker 2: it hailed on us, because of course, we got some
• 21:12
  Speaker 2: really interesting weather out there, which is actually what we
• 21:14
  Speaker 2: want when we're totally testing a vehicle like this, you know,
• 21:17
  Speaker 2: we want to kind of have some extremes to see
• 21:19
  Speaker 2: how it performs. I remember I was distinctly aware of
• 21:22
  Speaker 2: how much glass there was in the roof and how
• 21:24
  Speaker 2: much visibility I had because the hail was hitting it
• 21:27
  Speaker 2: and it was like amplified.
• 21:29
  Speaker 3: It was totally.
• 21:30
  Speaker 2: Yeah, but having that view is really it's really pleasant.
• 21:33
  Speaker 1: I don't know, I mean I think I think it
• 21:35
  Speaker 1: makes it kind of like a convertible. I mean, you
• 21:37
  Speaker 1: can take out all four of those panels they all
• 21:39
  Speaker 1: store in the front.
• 21:40
  Speaker 2: In the front. Yeah, the rear window rolls down so
• 21:44
  Speaker 2: kind of Forerunner style. The whole thing goes exactly so
• 21:47
  Speaker 2: you really do feel like you're in an open air vehicle.
• 21:49
  Speaker 2: I thought, yeah, that was pretty clever. Yeah, it's really nice. Especially,
• 21:52
  Speaker 2: I mean, like many of us go on the trails
• 21:54
  Speaker 2: to enjoy and be in the nature, and so that
• 21:57
  Speaker 2: really kind of gives you that opportunity.
• 21:59
  Speaker 1: Well, and speaking of that, that was one of my
• 22:02
  Speaker 1: most profound takeaways was the silence of the electric vehicle
• 22:05
  Speaker 1: on the trail. I thought that was one of the
• 22:07
  Speaker 1: most pleasant off roading experiences I had had in that regard.
• 22:11
  Speaker 1: In fact, one of the spotters was bringing somebody down
• 22:13
  Speaker 1: an obstacle and then here comes this like little ground squirrel.
• 22:17
  Speaker 3: Completely could care less that.
• 22:19
  Speaker 1: This vehicle was coming towards it, because it doesn't sound like,
• 22:21
  Speaker 1: you know, like a UTV screaming like a twelve year old.
• 22:24
  Speaker 3: I mean, it just it's like, did.
• 22:26
  Speaker 1: I just say that. It's like, it's very quiet. It's
• 22:29
  Speaker 1: just super chill going through the trail. And then when
• 22:32
  Speaker 1: we were coming back, we're all on a line. I
• 22:34
  Speaker 1: mean there was ten vehicles or more maybe yeah, and
• 22:37
  Speaker 1: we're all just cruising along total silence, and here comes
• 22:40
  Speaker 1: this little havilina and he's just he's totally carefreeze not he.
• 22:43
  Speaker 2: Wasn't running, he wasn't taking off because no stress. He
• 22:46
  Speaker 2: was just kind of like going about his normal business. Yeah.
• 22:49
  Speaker 1: And some of the engineers, one of the engineers we
• 22:52
  Speaker 1: rode with in the morning era, and he was talking
• 22:54
  Speaker 1: about how he just like would surprise deer on a
• 22:57
  Speaker 1: regular basis with this vehicle because it was so silde.
• 23:00
  Speaker 3: Yeah.
• 23:00
  Speaker 2: I mean in my few other experiences in vehicles that
• 23:03
  Speaker 2: are in this case of hybrid, the four by e,
• 23:06
  Speaker 2: but driving under electric power, I had the same experience
• 23:08
  Speaker 2: and with the hummer too, I mean, yeah, it's so
• 23:11
  Speaker 2: pleasant that just the silence, not listening to like motors
• 23:14
  Speaker 2: just idling and.
• 23:15
  Speaker 1: Yeah, and it's not the I mean, I love internal
• 23:17
  Speaker 1: combustion for all of the right reasons, but this is actually,
• 23:22
  Speaker 1: I think an argument for it. It is you're very
• 23:25
  Speaker 1: much connected to the experience. We had this breeze coming
• 23:28
  Speaker 1: through the window. It was just perfect. It was really
• 23:30
  Speaker 1: I thought, pleasant to drive with no noise. And you know,
• 23:33
  Speaker 1: everybody else appreciates that too. I mean the campers that
• 23:36
  Speaker 1: you're driving by, and the animals and the hikers, and
• 23:39
  Speaker 1: we're a multi use community and we all need to
• 23:42
  Speaker 1: do our part to make it as pleasant as possible
• 23:45
  Speaker 1: for everybody.
• 23:46
  Speaker 3: And I think this is a big step in the
• 23:47
  Speaker 3: right direction, So I would agree.
• 23:49
  Speaker 1: It comes with thirty five inch tall tires, but they
• 23:52
  Speaker 1: designed it to fit thirty sevens, which I thought was
• 23:54
  Speaker 1: really clever. So with no modifications, thirty seven's bolt up.
• 23:58
  Speaker 1: So the wheelwell clearance suitable for thirty sevens. It'll clearly
• 24:02
  Speaker 1: affect range and some other things. And I don't even
• 24:05
  Speaker 1: know that it needs it. This thing is really capable.
• 24:07
  Speaker 1: But somebody will want to put thirty sevens on their hummer, I'm.
• 24:09
  Speaker 2: Sure, I mean, yeah, I do already.
• 24:11
  Speaker 1: Yeah, we talked about the full length boron skid plates.
• 24:14
  Speaker 1: What'd you think of the four wheel steering?
• 24:15
  Speaker 3: So cool?
• 24:16
  Speaker 2: Yeah, it's so cool and it's it's new, but it's
• 24:19
  Speaker 2: not And I think GMC even has they've produced other
• 24:23
  Speaker 2: vehicles that have this feature. Yep, if I'm not mistaken,
• 24:26
  Speaker 2: I don't remember which vehicle it was.
• 24:27
  Speaker 1: Yeah, like early twenty ten they had a Denali that
• 24:31
  Speaker 1: had I think they call it quadra steer or something
• 24:33
  Speaker 1: like that, but it did have steering in the rear.
• 24:36
  Speaker 3: Yeah, I mean I was shocked.
• 24:37
  Speaker 2: I mean, as someone who drives a large vehicle as
• 24:40
  Speaker 2: my daily driver, you know, I've gotten used to that.
• 24:43
  Speaker 2: I remember that feeling of initially getting behind the wheel
• 24:45
  Speaker 2: and being slightly uncomfortable with the clearances and trying to
• 24:47
  Speaker 2: get familiar with turning radius and stuff like that, and
• 24:50
  Speaker 2: hitting a few curves in the process. And in the
• 24:52
  Speaker 2: Hummer EV it is I mean, it's like a game changer.
• 24:55
  Speaker 2: It is when you're behind the wheel. It is executed
• 24:58
  Speaker 2: so well. Though it doesn't feel like something alien, it
• 25:03
  Speaker 2: just kind of feels right, and I mean.
• 25:05
  Speaker 3: It feels impossible, like how did I how did I
• 25:08
  Speaker 3: just make that? Make that turn? Yeah?
• 25:10
  Speaker 2: I mean we were navigating some really narrow parts of
• 25:13
  Speaker 2: trail with cactus right up to the sides of the tracks,
• 25:17
  Speaker 2: and I mean it just kind of danced in between them.
• 25:19
  Speaker 2: And it's fun following another Hummer EV and seeing that
• 25:23
  Speaker 2: in action because the back kind of like swings out
• 25:26
  Speaker 2: just a little bit and it's crazy and I thought
• 25:27
  Speaker 2: it was really cool too. Across the different driving modes,
• 25:30
  Speaker 2: they change the turning rate of the rear rails, so like,
• 25:34
  Speaker 2: for instance, in terrain mode you get the most extreme
• 25:37
  Speaker 2: I forget what the race at.
• 25:38
  Speaker 1: One point two to one, So yeah, the rear is
• 25:40
  Speaker 1: actually turning faster than the front.
• 25:42
  Speaker 2: Right, and so it kind of helps you pivot around
• 25:44
  Speaker 2: obstacles much easier. And then you know, when you're in
• 25:46
  Speaker 2: off road or just kind of standard driving mode, it's
• 25:49
  Speaker 2: it's much like.
• 25:50
  Speaker 1: It was point six or something. So, yeah, the rear
• 25:52
  Speaker 1: is kind of catching up to the front. Yeah, interesting,
• 25:54
  Speaker 1: I thought it was. And it makes sense because off road, you're,
• 25:57
  Speaker 1: especially in terrain mode, you're going very slow, so it
• 26:00
  Speaker 1: gives the rear steering time to catch up, whereas if
• 26:03
  Speaker 1: you were on the street and you were going through
• 26:05
  Speaker 1: dynamic driving situations, you wouldn't want the rear to be
• 26:09
  Speaker 1: trying to catch up to the driver inputs, which are
• 26:12
  Speaker 1: very direct, So it does make sense that the rear
• 26:14
  Speaker 1: would be slower to engage with that, and then you
• 26:17
  Speaker 1: can turn it off or you can go into crab
• 26:19
  Speaker 1: walk mode, which was very cool. You have to do
• 26:21
  Speaker 1: this long press, which it seemed like a like an
• 26:23
  Speaker 1: unnecessarily long press, like half of that time or a
• 26:26
  Speaker 1: third of that time. I think makes a lot of sense.
• 26:28
  Speaker 1: I understand why they need you to confirm it because
• 26:31
  Speaker 1: the vehicle all of a sudden starts just to move
• 26:33
  Speaker 1: in a direction that you better hope that you expected
• 26:36
  Speaker 1: it to do.
• 26:37
  Speaker 2: That I saw, like you turn the wheel one hundred
• 26:40
  Speaker 2: and eighty degrees, but you're just kind of shifting.
• 26:42
  Speaker 3: You're not actually it was.
• 26:43
  Speaker 1: Yeah, you're not actually turning right, yeah, And so I
• 26:46
  Speaker 1: found a practical application for it.
• 26:48
  Speaker 3: We were getting trying.
• 26:49
  Speaker 1: To do some video work and we were in this
• 26:52
  Speaker 1: line of hummers and they were all very tight, like
• 26:54
  Speaker 1: front to back, I mean, like a parallel parking situation.
• 26:57
  Speaker 1: So I turned on crab walk mode and I basically
• 26:59
  Speaker 1: just came out out of the line of trucks to
• 27:01
  Speaker 1: the side, just scooted sideways out and off I went.
• 27:05
  Speaker 1: It was pretty cool.
• 27:06
  Speaker 2: It was very clever, and I think it's kind of
• 27:08
  Speaker 2: it points to one of the funny things about just
• 27:10
  Speaker 2: all of the technology and new features in this vehicle.
• 27:12
  Speaker 2: You have to like rethink about what driving a car
• 27:16
  Speaker 2: is like because some of these new features are so
• 27:19
  Speaker 2: alien to the average driver. It's like you have to
• 27:22
  Speaker 2: come up with you have to figure out what the
• 27:23
  Speaker 2: scenarios are where these features become useful. But they are useful,
• 27:27
  Speaker 2: that's the thing. They're not just gimmicks. I mean, there
• 27:29
  Speaker 2: is a real time and place for that crab mode,
• 27:31
  Speaker 2: just as there is sure the four wheel steering yep.
• 27:34
  Speaker 1: Yeah, And I think crab mode would be great in
• 27:37
  Speaker 1: compact city environments where you're dealing with really tight tolerances.
• 27:41
  Speaker 1: And then on our way back out, in one of
• 27:43
  Speaker 1: the lead vehicles, they got high centered coming around a corner,
• 27:47
  Speaker 1: so they just turned on crab mode and then pointed
• 27:49
  Speaker 1: the tires to the right, and they basically just moved
• 27:52
  Speaker 1: the vehicle off of the obstacle by shifting it sideways
• 27:56
  Speaker 1: as opposed to putting it further and deeper into the
• 27:59
  Speaker 1: skid plates. So that was just like, it was very
• 28:01
  Speaker 1: clever and it would be easy to dismiss it as
• 28:04
  Speaker 1: a gimmick, but it's not a gimmick. It's pretty impressive.
• 28:08
  Speaker 1: I don't think you'll use it very often, and if
• 28:10
  Speaker 1: it didn't have it, it wouldn't be the end of the world.
• 28:12
  Speaker 1: But the rear wheel steering for tightening the turning radius,
• 28:15
  Speaker 1: it's amazing. It's actually very similar turning radius to a
• 28:18
  Speaker 1: two do orjup wrangler Wiles nuts. Yeah for something that big.
• 28:22
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• 29:04
  Speaker 1: All right, we did ask the question about payload because
• 29:07
  Speaker 1: that's important to us, and on these Edition one vehicles,
• 29:10
  Speaker 1: which are heavily loaded with accessories and all the accessories, right,
• 29:14
  Speaker 1: I think yeah, pretty much. Maybe not the dealer installed ones,
• 29:18
  Speaker 1: but I think it has all of all the features,
• 29:20
  Speaker 1: the features that you would get on a build. It
• 29:23
  Speaker 1: still had a thirteen hundred pound payload. Now what's interesting
• 29:26
  Speaker 1: about that is that you can toe with this vehicle.
• 29:28
  Speaker 1: So if you're towing a trailer, you have to figure
• 29:30
  Speaker 1: in the fact that you may have a five hundred
• 29:32
  Speaker 1: pound tongue weight, which goes against your payload. So now
• 29:35
  Speaker 1: you're at eight hundred pounds. If you've got four full
• 29:37
  Speaker 1: sized guys, you're banging up against that payload really quick.
• 29:41
  Speaker 1: So it's important to note that thirteen hundred pounds of
• 29:44
  Speaker 1: payload is acceptable for sure, But what they said was
• 29:48
  Speaker 1: that other models that are less contented will have more payload.
• 29:51
  Speaker 1: But it is I think important to frame it within
• 29:53
  Speaker 1: the context of you don't really need to modify this car.
• 29:56
  Speaker 1: It's not like you've got to like, oh, I've got
• 29:57
  Speaker 1: to put sliders on it. I got to put skid plates,
• 29:59
  Speaker 1: and I got to put you know, heavy duty you
• 30:01
  Speaker 1: know axles, and I got to put in big tire.
• 30:03
  Speaker 1: It's got all of that already, So there's not going
• 30:06
  Speaker 1: to be many accessories you're going to put on it.
• 30:08
  Speaker 1: In my mind, that would take up payload.
• 30:10
  Speaker 2: Yeah, I think, I mean that makes a lot of
• 30:12
  Speaker 2: sense to me. When when you, hopefully some of you
• 30:14
  Speaker 2: get get the opportunity to drive one of these at
• 30:16
  Speaker 2: some point, even if it's just for fun for a day,
• 30:19
  Speaker 2: I think you'll find that, Yeah, you're not left wanting
• 30:22
  Speaker 2: for anything, not really features wise that it doesn't have.
• 30:24
  Speaker 3: Yeah, it's pretty impressive. Yeah, let's talk about supercrews a
• 30:27
  Speaker 3: little bit.
• 30:28
  Speaker 2: Yeah, super Cruz is super cool.
• 30:30
  Speaker 1: Yeah, because we're going to talk about the road driving
• 30:32
  Speaker 1: impressions that you had, Well, it's a good place to start.
• 30:34
  Speaker 2: So super Gruz is the Hummer's version of autopilot. You
• 30:39
  Speaker 2: basically push a button and it takes over, so it
• 30:42
  Speaker 2: does the steering for you. It will lane change, it
• 30:45
  Speaker 2: maintains speed, it will overtake other cars.
• 30:47
  Speaker 3: When it first did the lane change, how was that.
• 30:49
  Speaker 2: It caught me off card, you know, because of us Yeah, yeah,
• 30:53
  Speaker 2: I didn't know what was going on. I came to
• 30:54
  Speaker 2: grab the wheel, you know, I didn't take over, but
• 30:57
  Speaker 2: I brought my hands back immediately. And in the reason
• 31:00
  Speaker 2: being because the only other experience I have in an
• 31:03
  Speaker 2: autonomous car would be like a Tesla And this may
• 31:06
  Speaker 2: have changed now because it's been quite a few years
• 31:08
  Speaker 2: since I drove that vehicle, But in the autopilot mode
• 31:11
  Speaker 2: that that had, I would have to manually put the
• 31:14
  Speaker 2: turn signal on to have it change lanes for me. Sure,
• 31:17
  Speaker 2: So the adaptive cruise control would would obviously take into
• 31:20
  Speaker 2: effect immediately when it was under autopilot, and it would,
• 31:22
  Speaker 2: you know, would catch up to a car but maintain
• 31:24
  Speaker 2: a safe following distance and slow down if it needed to,
• 31:26
  Speaker 2: but it wouldn't change lanes. And that was a trip. Yeah,
• 31:29
  Speaker 2: it was good. It was entertaining.
• 31:31
  Speaker 1: And yeah, so for those that are listening, this thing
• 31:33
  Speaker 1: will actually check the lane next to you, check the
• 31:36
  Speaker 1: blind spot, look for an opening. It will put on
• 31:39
  Speaker 1: the blinker, it will move over a lane, it will
• 31:41
  Speaker 1: pass the car, and then it will go back into
• 31:43
  Speaker 1: the lane.
• 31:44
  Speaker 3: That it needs to if it needs to do that.
• 31:46
  Speaker 3: It's like unbelievable, it's.
• 31:48
  Speaker 2: So yeah, it's so wild, and it's it's so nice though.
• 31:51
  Speaker 2: I mean again, this is the kind of thing that
• 31:54
  Speaker 2: some people look at as like novelty, but when you
• 31:56
  Speaker 2: use it, you immediately see the value of it. I
• 31:59
  Speaker 2: mean talk about relaxing driving experience, like you just kind
• 32:02
  Speaker 2: of sit back and you can't disengage completely obviously, like
• 32:06
  Speaker 2: we had times where the supercrews shut off and I
• 32:10
  Speaker 2: had to take over. And partially that is because it's
• 32:13
  Speaker 2: such a new vehicle and their their data that allows
• 32:16
  Speaker 2: for Supercrews operate is somewhat limited right now. I think
• 32:19
  Speaker 2: they said they have about two hundred thousand miles of
• 32:21
  Speaker 2: roads mapped where you can use Supercrews, which certainly sounds
• 32:24
  Speaker 2: like a lot. But you know, in the context of
• 32:26
  Speaker 2: the whole of you know, the US, that means there's
• 32:28
  Speaker 2: still a lot of roads that are.
• 32:30
  Speaker 1: Not Yeah, we had several roads that like highways that
• 32:32
  Speaker 1: didn't have it when we were doing the drive, but
• 32:34
  Speaker 1: you know, the one on one did and that was
• 32:36
  Speaker 1: just like to watch it effortlessly. I mean better then,
• 32:40
  Speaker 1: I will say, better than the average driver by quite
• 32:42
  Speaker 1: some margin because it stayed right in the lane. It
• 32:45
  Speaker 1: wasn't wavering. In fact, I think I told you, I'm like,
• 32:48
  Speaker 1: don't you feel like you need to pick up your
• 32:49
  Speaker 1: phone and start texting?
• 32:50
  Speaker 3: Oh?
• 32:50
  Speaker 1: Yeah, but it's just what's happening right now is that
• 32:53
  Speaker 1: people are just picking up their phone and texting. They
• 32:55
  Speaker 1: don't have the vehicles not paying attention for them.
• 32:58
  Speaker 3: Yep.
• 32:58
  Speaker 1: Like, I'm not suggesting for a moment moment that people
• 33:00
  Speaker 1: should be reading or texting while they're in super cruse,
• 33:03
  Speaker 1: but you know people are going to do that. So
• 33:05
  Speaker 1: the world is still better off if this technology exists.
• 33:08
  Speaker 3: It's a lot less.
• 33:09
  Speaker 1: Likely that the vehicle is going to run into something
• 33:11
  Speaker 1: or go off the road and into a ditch.
• 33:13
  Speaker 3: Exactly.
• 33:13
  Speaker 2: Yeah, I think, yeah, those momentary times where we're not
• 33:16
  Speaker 2: paying attention, like having something operating and trying to maintain
• 33:21
  Speaker 2: a trajectory in speed and avoiding obstacles is great. Now,
• 33:24
  Speaker 2: I did struggle a little bit with some scenarios, Like
• 33:28
  Speaker 2: there was that one kind of interchange that we went
• 33:31
  Speaker 2: through where it told me it said supercrews, you know,
• 33:34
  Speaker 2: disengaged actor turning off. You had deactivating and I had
• 33:37
  Speaker 2: to take over. So that's not entirely surprising. You know,
• 33:40
  Speaker 2: that's kind of a complex scenario, and I'm fine with that. Sure,
• 33:45
  Speaker 2: if I need to be the driver again, that's fine.
• 33:47
  Speaker 2: And I think they do a great job of visually
• 33:49
  Speaker 2: making it clear that it's going to stop. There's an
• 33:52
  Speaker 2: actual kind of like illuminated panel that's embedded in the
• 33:56
  Speaker 2: steering wheel that lights up so it's green when Supercreus
• 33:59
  Speaker 2: is on and it turns red and it's red in
• 34:02
  Speaker 2: your face, so you kind of it was obvious to
• 34:03
  Speaker 2: me that I needed to take over.
• 34:05
  Speaker 1: It was just so neat to watch, unbelievable. And then
• 34:08
  Speaker 1: what else did you think on the road? I mean,
• 34:10
  Speaker 1: how did the overall road driving experience go for you?
• 34:14
  Speaker 2: Super comfortable for such a big vehicle, It was quiet
• 34:17
  Speaker 2: inside the cabin, I thought.
• 34:18
  Speaker 1: Yeah, we heard some tire noise, which would be expected
• 34:21
  Speaker 1: because these are aggressive tires. Yeah, but it's so quiet
• 34:23
  Speaker 1: otherwise that you actually do notice other noises, like on
• 34:26
  Speaker 1: the trail. I even noticed like the air conditioned seats,
• 34:30
  Speaker 1: like you would notice the blower, whereas if you were
• 34:32
  Speaker 1: driving an internal combustion vehicle, the engine noise would drone
• 34:35
  Speaker 1: out the blower for the air conditioned seats, but you
• 34:38
  Speaker 1: actually could hear it.
• 34:39
  Speaker 3: It was so quiet.
• 34:40
  Speaker 2: And it's kind of funny they will hype in noise
• 34:42
  Speaker 2: driving noise. That's kind of it's like manufactured, right. It
• 34:46
  Speaker 2: is through the speakers, from the speakers, so you have
• 34:49
  Speaker 2: that sense of the noise of the internal combustion engine
• 34:52
  Speaker 2: even though it's not there.
• 34:53
  Speaker 1: So yeah, and in some ways I like that. I
• 34:55
  Speaker 1: believe that there's a way to turn it down a
• 34:57
  Speaker 1: little bit. I think you have to have it because,
• 35:00
  Speaker 1: as we noticed in some obstacles, you get very deep
• 35:03
  Speaker 1: into the throttle, and I can see why the engineers
• 35:07
  Speaker 1: would want want to make the driver aware of the
• 35:10
  Speaker 1: fact that they're getting deeper and deeper and deeper into
• 35:12
  Speaker 1: the throttle because there's no other indication like the RPMs
• 35:15
  Speaker 1: aren't going up. You don't see that like you would
• 35:17
  Speaker 1: in an internal combustion engine. So i'd but it was
• 35:20
  Speaker 1: a little loud and maybe seem like more than you
• 35:23
  Speaker 1: needed it to be. And I'd even like to see
• 35:25
  Speaker 1: it go away completely at lower speeds and lower throttle positions,
• 35:29
  Speaker 1: a lesser throttle position. So, but it does make sense
• 35:32
  Speaker 1: once you get into the throttle deeper that it's got
• 35:34
  Speaker 1: to start telling you that you're like, you're getting close
• 35:36
  Speaker 1: to that one two hundred foot pounds of torque that
• 35:40
  Speaker 1: you're asking of this engine, Like is that really what
• 35:42
  Speaker 1: you want to be doing right now?
• 35:43
  Speaker 2: Sure, that's a good point. Other kind of driving, you know,
• 35:47
  Speaker 2: road related things. I really like that that regenerative breaking
• 35:50
  Speaker 2: paddle on the steering wheel, so it was on the
• 35:53
  Speaker 2: left hand side kind of up at the ten o'clock
• 35:56
  Speaker 2: area of the wheel. You could you know, it's a
• 35:59
  Speaker 2: manual level that you pull towards you and it activates
• 36:03
  Speaker 2: like above average regenerative braking. So in situations where you
• 36:06
  Speaker 2: don't need an abrupt stop and you can slow down gradually,
• 36:09
  Speaker 2: it kind of allows you to gamify this experience of
• 36:13
  Speaker 2: extending the range to its maximum, so you can you
• 36:15
  Speaker 2: know you can capture extra energy by braking with that
• 36:19
  Speaker 2: instead of the brake pedal.
• 36:20
  Speaker 1: Well, and it was shocking to me how much power
• 36:22
  Speaker 1: there is in the regenerative process because off road, using
• 36:26
  Speaker 1: that same paddle, you can basically bring the vehicle to
• 36:28
  Speaker 1: a stop without using the mechanical brakes. It just provides
• 36:32
  Speaker 1: that much resistance. So when you're going downhill off road,
• 36:35
  Speaker 1: I wish that that paddle was kind of like a
• 36:38
  Speaker 1: real stat where you were feeding in a percentage.
• 36:41
  Speaker 2: Because it is either it's just on or off.
• 36:43
  Speaker 3: It felt that way to me.
• 36:44
  Speaker 1: That may not be the case, and we didn't ask
• 36:47
  Speaker 1: the engineers that question, but it felt like it was
• 36:49
  Speaker 1: pretty much an on or off situation. It would be
• 36:52
  Speaker 1: nice to see it like ramp up and you could
• 36:54
  Speaker 1: actually use it up just for regenerative only, is what
• 36:58
  Speaker 1: I want in this situation, so you can add on
• 37:01
  Speaker 1: to the range.
• 37:01
  Speaker 3: Yeah, I thought that was really cool.
• 37:03
  Speaker 1: What do you think about comfort the overall like interior,
• 37:06
  Speaker 1: the way the interior look, the technology that the electronics
• 37:10
  Speaker 1: package on the inside.
• 37:11
  Speaker 2: Yeah, I mean I think starting with comfort, comfort was
• 37:15
  Speaker 2: above average. I would say for myself, I really like
• 37:18
  Speaker 2: the finishes on the inside and kind of just the
• 37:20
  Speaker 2: visual appeal of it. It feels very at once modern
• 37:24
  Speaker 2: but also kind of retro a little bit.
• 37:27
  Speaker 1: It had a mid century modern kind of vibe to it.
• 37:30
  Speaker 1: That those bronze and.
• 37:31
  Speaker 2: They're like vents rectangular, kind of big rectangles exactly. Yeah,
• 37:36
  Speaker 2: the materials choice I thought was very interesting and appealing
• 37:39
  Speaker 2: to me, which is funny because I chose cloth seats
• 37:42
  Speaker 2: for our truck. I'm just because they feel simple and
• 37:45
  Speaker 2: easy to take care of and they're not fancy, and
• 37:47
  Speaker 2: the hummer's funny. It kind of feels fancy, but it
• 37:50
  Speaker 2: kind of feels sporty. It's like a lot of different
• 37:53
  Speaker 2: like synthetic kind of surfaces that are textured and there's
• 37:57
  Speaker 2: nice contrasts. It's kind of a non absorbed surface everywhere,
• 38:01
  Speaker 2: which was actually kind of nice. There was one point
• 38:03
  Speaker 2: I remember when it was it had been dumping rain
• 38:05
  Speaker 2: and there was a lot of water on the roof
• 38:07
  Speaker 2: and I opened the window, like a bucket of water
• 38:10
  Speaker 2: just about came in and it kind of splashed all
• 38:12
  Speaker 2: over the arm rest and everything, but it kind of
• 38:14
  Speaker 2: just like made its way down to the floor. It
• 38:16
  Speaker 2: didn't really absorb in and stay wet all day, and
• 38:20
  Speaker 2: it was dry pretty quickly.
• 38:21
  Speaker 1: Yeah, that was something that I noticed in the rain
• 38:25
  Speaker 1: is they may need to look at some kind of
• 38:27
  Speaker 1: of a rain channel or way of moving that water
• 38:30
  Speaker 1: off of that one corner of the window, because when
• 38:33
  Speaker 1: it's raining and you roll down the window at all, something,
• 38:37
  Speaker 1: it's like basically like the bucket mode, you go into
• 38:39
  Speaker 1: bucket mode because like the water just starts pouring into
• 38:43
  Speaker 1: the onto the door card.
• 38:45
  Speaker 2: It happened on both sides, it did, yeah.
• 38:47
  Speaker 1: On the passenger side and on the driver's side, so
• 38:49
  Speaker 1: that I thought that was really interesting. There's something about
• 38:52
  Speaker 1: how those panels are made that it's just channeling one
• 38:55
  Speaker 1: hundred percent of the rain that's falling on the vehicle
• 38:57
  Speaker 1: into that one spot. It's it got really wet, like
• 39:00
  Speaker 1: it really did. I mean, I'm sure that they take
• 39:02
  Speaker 1: into consideration moisture because it has removable tops and all that, Like,
• 39:06
  Speaker 1: there's got to be some consideration of it getting wet.
• 39:09
  Speaker 1: But it seemed a little excessive on the water pouring in.
• 39:12
  Speaker 2: But yeah, I mean that's kind of comfort. I found
• 39:14
  Speaker 2: it comfortable, seats adjusted well air conditioned seats, heated seats,
• 39:18
  Speaker 2: heated steering wheel, yep. I thought kind of The layout
• 39:21
  Speaker 2: of the cockpit was nice. You get two massive screens.
• 39:24
  Speaker 2: You've got your screen with all of your driving information
• 39:27
  Speaker 2: right in front of you, that's digital, and then you
• 39:28
  Speaker 2: also have the massive infantainment screen which is touchscreen, and
• 39:31
  Speaker 2: it's also got a couple rows of piano keys below it,
• 39:35
  Speaker 2: and those are kind of neat. They kind of can
• 39:38
  Speaker 2: they change based on the particular menu or screen that
• 39:41
  Speaker 2: you're looking at on the infotainment system, So it's kind
• 39:44
  Speaker 2: of neat because none of the keys are labeled, but
• 39:46
  Speaker 2: as you go through the different screens, you can kind
• 39:48
  Speaker 2: of see what the individual buttons are assigned to.
• 39:52
  Speaker 1: And I did like that they weren't ashamed to put
• 39:56
  Speaker 1: the performance attributes of the car very front and center
• 39:59
  Speaker 1: with those piano key so you know, rear locker front
• 40:02
  Speaker 1: and rear locker, vehicle stability control OFF, parking guidance off.
• 40:07
  Speaker 1: They were very prominent, and I like the fact that
• 40:09
  Speaker 1: there wasn't too many buttons. I think at maybe EVS
• 40:12
  Speaker 1: there's this desire to make everything super techy where you
• 40:15
  Speaker 1: can activate anything with a button or some multiple menu pushing.
• 40:19
  Speaker 1: But it felt like everything that I needed the car
• 40:21
  Speaker 1: to do was right there at hand.
• 40:23
  Speaker 2: Which I like, and all the ones you just mentioned,
• 40:25
  Speaker 2: those ones are static, they don't change with them, RASO
• 40:28
  Speaker 2: lockers and things like that.
• 40:29
  Speaker 1: I did notice that, because it's coming to mind right now,
• 40:32
  Speaker 1: to activate the front locker you have to be in
• 40:35
  Speaker 1: terrain mode, which I did not care for because the
• 40:38
  Speaker 1: terrain mode activates the one pedal drive. I would like
• 40:41
  Speaker 1: to be able to in some other mode or maybe
• 40:44
  Speaker 1: that maybe it's possible, and I did forget to ask
• 40:47
  Speaker 1: engineers this, but maybe there's some way to do a
• 40:49
  Speaker 1: custom menu so that you can be in like a
• 40:52
  Speaker 1: maximum off road performance mode, not high speed, low speed
• 40:56
  Speaker 1: technical terrain, and then you can turn the front locker
• 40:59
  Speaker 1: on and off without having to have the one pedal operation,
• 41:03
  Speaker 1: which we'll talk about in a few minutes. But the
• 41:05
  Speaker 1: fact that it has a front locker is a great thing.
• 41:07
  Speaker 1: But it requires five six second hold to turn the
• 41:10
  Speaker 1: front locker on, and I think that that's too long.
• 41:13
  Speaker 1: I think that and there needs to be some maybe
• 41:15
  Speaker 1: give it a confirmation on the screen, push it, and
• 41:17
  Speaker 1: then are you sure you want to lock the front
• 41:19
  Speaker 1: diff and then click yes, because there's no other indication
• 41:22
  Speaker 1: that you've held it long enough other than that it
• 41:24
  Speaker 1: turns on. I think that can be improved, probably with
• 41:27
  Speaker 1: a software update.
• 41:28
  Speaker 2: That's the nice thing about that. Yeah, that should be
• 41:30
  Speaker 2: something that could be changed.
• 41:31
  Speaker 1: Yeah, I think you need to be able to toggle
• 41:33
  Speaker 1: through the front and rear locker without having to hold
• 41:35
  Speaker 1: it for it was six seconds every time. Yep, there's
• 41:38
  Speaker 1: on a technical trail. You can be turning the front
• 41:40
  Speaker 1: locker on and off regularly and you got to come
• 41:43
  Speaker 1: to a complete stop, do the whole thing.
• 41:45
  Speaker 3: You know it.
• 41:45
  Speaker 1: It'd be nice to see it be a little more reactive. Yeah,
• 41:48
  Speaker 1: I agree, or maybe you just agree to it the
• 41:50
  Speaker 1: first time you do it, and then it lets it
• 41:52
  Speaker 1: turn on and off actively until the next time you
• 41:55
  Speaker 1: key cycle the car. How did the high speed stability
• 41:58
  Speaker 1: feel on the road, Like, did it feel confidence inspiring
• 42:01
  Speaker 1: to you at driving at speed?
• 42:03
  Speaker 2: It did, yeah, I thought so. You know, we had
• 42:05
  Speaker 2: a couple of times where it did bury the accelerator
• 42:08
  Speaker 2: and just kind of on ramps. Yeah, on ramps, right,
• 42:10
  Speaker 2: as long as you're you know, there's no rule about
• 42:13
  Speaker 2: how fast you can come up to speed speed exceed
• 42:17
  Speaker 2: the speed limit. Yeah, yeah, I remember one in particular
• 42:20
  Speaker 2: that was it. You know, it was a curving on
• 42:21
  Speaker 2: ramp and I kind of went for it, and you
• 42:23
  Speaker 2: said trust it, trust it, and I did, and it
• 42:27
  Speaker 2: held the line that I picked pretty well.
• 42:29
  Speaker 3: I thought.
• 42:30
  Speaker 1: I noticed that as well. One of the things that
• 42:32
  Speaker 1: we look for we call it traceability. But when you're
• 42:35
  Speaker 1: in a steady state IRV, like on that on ramp,
• 42:38
  Speaker 1: or in a large sweeper or any turning event, when
• 42:41
  Speaker 1: you hold the line, does the vehicle start to understeer
• 42:45
  Speaker 1: off of that line? Does it require a lot of
• 42:47
  Speaker 1: correction from the driver? Is it very traceable? Does it
• 42:50
  Speaker 1: continue to maintain that arc without a lot of other
• 42:53
  Speaker 1: inputs if external factors haven't changed. So the vehicle is
• 42:57
  Speaker 1: very traceable, It has a lot of It has low
• 43:00
  Speaker 1: driver effort. It actually increases the steering the feel of
• 43:04
  Speaker 1: the steering weighting because it is an electronic steering system,
• 43:07
  Speaker 1: but it makes it feel firmer at road speeds, which
• 43:10
  Speaker 1: I also like because it is a big truck and
• 43:12
  Speaker 1: you should feel like a big truck. But then when
• 43:14
  Speaker 1: you get off road, they lighten that up and then
• 43:16
  Speaker 1: the steering effort goes very very low, which I think
• 43:19
  Speaker 1: is also really nice. It reduces fatigue while you're moving
• 43:22
  Speaker 1: through the rocks and everything.
• 43:23
  Speaker 2: That's a good point, and I do distinctly remember those
• 43:26
  Speaker 2: two qualities of like the almost effortlessly turning the wheel
• 43:29
  Speaker 2: in the off road scenarios and versus more feedback, more
• 43:34
  Speaker 2: tactile feel to the wheel.
• 43:35
  Speaker 1: Yeah, I thought the on road presence was great, and
• 43:38
  Speaker 1: like if you go from let's call it forty to
• 43:41
  Speaker 1: seventy five, it happens so quickly that the speedometer can't
• 43:45
  Speaker 1: actually keep up with the speed increasing, Like it was
• 43:49
  Speaker 1: like skipping like five six.
• 43:51
  Speaker 3: Numbers at a time. Yeah, just jumping. Unbelievable how fast
• 43:55
  Speaker 3: it was.
• 43:55
  Speaker 1: As you can tell in the audio, like we had
• 43:57
  Speaker 1: a good time with the speed of this thing.
• 44:00
  Speaker 3: Let's get into the off road a little bit. Yeah,
• 44:02
  Speaker 3: we think.
• 44:02
  Speaker 2: I mean, it was such a pleasure, Like I kind
• 44:04
  Speaker 2: of mentioned it before, but it almost felt like the
• 44:07
  Speaker 2: course was like a dance. And despite the fact that
• 44:11
  Speaker 2: you're in this very large vehicle, it's kind of pivoting
• 44:14
  Speaker 2: and just just kind of gliding between these features. I mean,
• 44:18
  Speaker 2: the suspension was very settled. There is a sway bar
• 44:22
  Speaker 2: in the front, correct, but not in the rear, so
• 44:24
  Speaker 2: sometimes there was a little bit more abrupt motion when
• 44:29
  Speaker 2: you approached an obstacle. But usually the rear end of
• 44:31
  Speaker 2: the vehicle felt a little bit more settled through some
• 44:33
  Speaker 2: of those things. One of the things that really blew
• 44:36
  Speaker 2: me away was I would attribute it to the traction control,
• 44:39
  Speaker 2: but its ability to still accelerate very fast on loose surfaces. Sure,
• 44:44
  Speaker 2: And you really kind of demonstrated that to me through
• 44:46
  Speaker 2: some of those washes that the course followed.
• 44:49
  Speaker 3: Yeah, yeah, yeah, you'd be able well, you'd be able to.
• 44:52
  Speaker 1: We were down in a gravel wash and you'd come
• 44:55
  Speaker 1: out of a corner and we were just kind of
• 44:57
  Speaker 1: cruising through one corner and then there's this straight away
• 45:00
  Speaker 1: way ahead of us, and you know, heavily corrugated in
• 45:03
  Speaker 1: the beginning because there's lots of wheel hop and even
• 45:06
  Speaker 1: axle wrap from other vehicles, not you don't really get
• 45:08
  Speaker 1: much axle wrap from the hummer, nothing perceptible, but you
• 45:11
  Speaker 1: do get wheel hop. And so there's these deep corrugations
• 45:15
  Speaker 1: in the start of the straightaway and the fact that
• 45:18
  Speaker 1: it could hook up as well as it as it did,
• 45:20
  Speaker 1: I mean, it would just launch down that wash. It
• 45:23
  Speaker 1: was pretty amazing. And then we did some panic stop
• 45:27
  Speaker 1: testing as well, or threat extreme threshold breaking maneuvers as well,
• 45:32
  Speaker 1: and in those deep corrugations, like it maintained a lot
• 45:35
  Speaker 1: of traction, but you could tell that there was a
• 45:37
  Speaker 1: lot of wheel movement and we were banging off of
• 45:40
  Speaker 1: the stops as well. Like you can actually hear a
• 45:42
  Speaker 1: couple of these hard kind of hits going through these corrugations,
• 45:45
  Speaker 1: because again the front end is dived down, so you
• 45:48
  Speaker 1: have very little up travel because you're under all this
• 45:50
  Speaker 1: breaking pressure and now you've got these big holes from
• 45:53
  Speaker 1: the corrugation. So you could really feel the suspension banging
• 45:56
  Speaker 1: up against the bump stops, which was pretty interesting, but
• 45:59
  Speaker 1: very very neutral at speed off road, which is what
• 46:03
  Speaker 1: we typically want. A lot of manufacturers bake in a
• 46:06
  Speaker 1: ton of understeer for safety. It'd rather you end up
• 46:09
  Speaker 1: in the ditch as opposed to oversteering and then rolling,
• 46:12
  Speaker 1: so they bake in a bunch of understeer. But that
• 46:15
  Speaker 1: is not the case at all with the Hummer. And
• 46:18
  Speaker 1: you can turn off vehicle stability control for the most part.
• 46:22
  Speaker 1: There's ways to even disable it more, which I don't
• 46:24
  Speaker 1: know is a good idea to share share to the masses,
• 46:27
  Speaker 1: but I'm sure it'll come out on the internet at
• 46:29
  Speaker 1: some point in time. But you can really let the
• 46:31
  Speaker 1: vehicle operate very analog, and the way that they've got
• 46:35
  Speaker 1: this battery pack so low and so centered on the vehicle,
• 46:39
  Speaker 1: it is actually quite quick to respond to steering input,
• 46:42
  Speaker 1: and even more so to steering under heavy braking input.
• 46:45
  Speaker 1: So that's what I'm looking for. Is this vehicle understeering
• 46:49
  Speaker 1: on me, it's taking me offline? Or is it am
• 46:52
  Speaker 1: I getting a lot of breaking effectiveness? And then is
• 46:55
  Speaker 1: it turning in at a high rate? Is it turning
• 46:57
  Speaker 1: in appropriately based upon the steering input, And it would
• 47:00
  Speaker 1: turn in really nicely. And they also don't They don't
• 47:03
  Speaker 1: cut the throttle either, so I could be heavy left
• 47:05
  Speaker 1: foot breaking in a corner. The front end dives down,
• 47:08
  Speaker 1: the front end hooks up, it turns in, and I
• 47:10
  Speaker 1: can actually start eating throttle, which starts to rotate the
• 47:13
  Speaker 1: rear end out, and it's just super fun. So it
• 47:16
  Speaker 1: is truly a SuperTruck off road. It has thirteen inches
• 47:19
  Speaker 1: of wheel travel front and rear, so that's long travel,
• 47:23
  Speaker 1: which does a great job of absorbing impacts and wallows
• 47:28
  Speaker 1: and other irregularities in the surface.
• 47:30
  Speaker 3: But it's also a heavy vehicle too.
• 47:32
  Speaker 1: So it's important off road to know that you don't
• 47:35
  Speaker 1: have anywhere near the grip that you do on asphalt.
• 47:38
  Speaker 1: Breaking distances are going to be longer than you may expect.
• 47:41
  Speaker 1: It's ten thousand pounds mass in motion, you know, there's
• 47:45
  Speaker 1: only so much traction available to those tires to slow
• 47:49
  Speaker 1: the vehicle down. So making sure that you pay a
• 47:51
  Speaker 1: little bit of attention to the fact that you got
• 47:53
  Speaker 1: a freight train in motion. So high speed off road,
• 47:57
  Speaker 1: it's kind of what you would expect it to be.
• 47:58
  Speaker 1: Super truck territory, very fast, very confidence inspired, inspiring, stable safe.
• 48:04
  Speaker 1: You can go into a couple different modes that even
• 48:06
  Speaker 1: make it a little safer as well. But then we
• 48:08
  Speaker 1: got into some slow speed technical stuff too.
• 48:10
  Speaker 2: Yeah, there was some kind of steepick up off camber,
• 48:14
  Speaker 2: things with like large rocks, some some ledges and things
• 48:17
  Speaker 2: like that, rost axle holes. Traction was great through those areas.
• 48:22
  Speaker 2: I don't think we made it through all of the
• 48:24
  Speaker 2: obstacles on the first round through when I was driving
• 48:27
  Speaker 2: without engaging the lockers, that's right. And it was raining,
• 48:30
  Speaker 2: and it was raining, and and that's and that's not
• 48:33
  Speaker 2: to say that the team didn't select a course that
• 48:37
  Speaker 2: that was truly challenging. I mean, this was made to
• 48:40
  Speaker 2: appeal to maybe a broader range of drivers and some
• 48:43
  Speaker 2: folks with a little bit less off off highway driving experience,
• 48:47
  Speaker 2: which is fine and reasonable, but these were not gimmes either.
• 48:50
  Speaker 2: You kind of had to pick a line you did,
• 48:51
  Speaker 2: and yeah, it was really it was really fantastic how
• 48:55
  Speaker 2: well it did without even needing those lockers. But then
• 48:57
  Speaker 2: we did test the lockers obviously too, because there were
• 49:00
  Speaker 2: I mean, I say we didn't need them. I saw
• 49:02
  Speaker 2: some of the other trucks get some wheel spin and
• 49:04
  Speaker 2: you know, have some challenges, and I like to think
• 49:06
  Speaker 2: that maybe we didn't experience that because of some of
• 49:09
  Speaker 2: our trainings that we've done and maybe helped us.
• 49:12
  Speaker 1: Yeah, I think we did a good job of maintaining
• 49:14
  Speaker 1: the right momentum through there. One of the main reasons
• 49:17
  Speaker 1: that I choose to select at least a rear locker
• 49:20
  Speaker 1: in most cases is I don't want to damage the trail.
• 49:23
  Speaker 1: Like it's like, we need to be good stewards of
• 49:26
  Speaker 1: these places. And this was a beautiful trail. It had
• 49:28
  Speaker 1: no trash that I could see.
• 49:30
  Speaker 2: I saw one balloon got it, but that's not from
• 49:33
  Speaker 2: the people driving the typical Arizona.
• 49:35
  Speaker 1: Yeah, you'll see, Yeah, mile our balloons everywhere, but it
• 49:38
  Speaker 1: was a beautiful trail. It was fairly remote, just rich
• 49:42
  Speaker 1: density of sooro and acatillo, and like, you don't want
• 49:45
  Speaker 1: to tear the trail up because that's when they close them.
• 49:48
  Speaker 1: So for me, I didn't want to have wheelspin, so
• 49:51
  Speaker 1: I engaged that virtual rear locker in almost every climbing
• 49:55
  Speaker 1: scenario and it just completely exceeded my expectations. I think
• 49:59
  Speaker 1: it also helps the vehicle a little bit, because one
• 50:01
  Speaker 1: of the places that an electric vehicle struggles the most
• 50:05
  Speaker 1: is just right off that zero rpm. So a good
• 50:08
  Speaker 1: example of that would be like in Moab, you do
• 50:11
  Speaker 1: the Moab bump over a ledge, and you'll push the
• 50:14
  Speaker 1: vehicle up against the ledge and you'll try to press
• 50:17
  Speaker 1: the front tires into the surface so that they get
• 50:19
  Speaker 1: a lot of grip and they can climb up and over.
• 50:21
  Speaker 1: And then there's another maneuver that you do with a
• 50:23
  Speaker 1: rear axle where you kind of bounce the chassis up
• 50:26
  Speaker 1: and then you feed some throttle so the front end
• 50:28
  Speaker 1: pulls the rear up against the shelf and then you
• 50:31
  Speaker 1: can climb up and over it. These electric motors don't
• 50:33
  Speaker 1: do well at that zero ish rpm range like that
• 50:36
  Speaker 1: very low rpm, they can't start to develop all that torque.
• 50:39
  Speaker 1: So I noticed that by kind of keeping it moving
• 50:42
  Speaker 1: very slowly, you didn't get in as much trouble. Anytime
• 50:45
  Speaker 1: we saw another driver's struggle, it's because they got onto
• 50:48
  Speaker 1: the throttle, it spun, They got freaked out, and then
• 50:51
  Speaker 1: they stopped completely and they're on a steep climb and
• 50:54
  Speaker 1: they're trying to get going again. So you can see
• 50:56
  Speaker 1: the truck is struggling to get going and spinning a
• 50:59
  Speaker 1: little bit, and the breake tracks controls trying to arrest it.
• 51:02
  Speaker 1: I think that's a very difficult problem for electric vehicles
• 51:05
  Speaker 1: to solve.
• 51:05
  Speaker 3: As drivers, we have to learn to adjust.
• 51:07
  Speaker 1: A little bit for these electric vehicles and very slowly,
• 51:11
  Speaker 1: again like low rpm, continue with a little bit of
• 51:14
  Speaker 1: movement through these obstacles so that it doesn't have to
• 51:16
  Speaker 1: restart from zero again.
• 51:17
  Speaker 2: Yeah yeah, but I mean overall slow speed off road
• 51:20
  Speaker 2: technical scenarios.
• 51:22
  Speaker 3: It just was great.
• 51:24
  Speaker 1: It was really impressive, minimal head toss, so it was
• 51:26
  Speaker 1: really comfortable for the driver and the passengers.
• 51:29
  Speaker 3: The camera views took.
• 51:30
  Speaker 1: Care of any of the visibility problems that you just
• 51:33
  Speaker 1: get from the way that it's designed and the size
• 51:35
  Speaker 1: of it. I thought that was really impressive. The tires
• 51:38
  Speaker 1: were great. They were designed specifically for this vehicle to
• 51:41
  Speaker 1: be a combination of off road performance and on road range,
• 51:44
  Speaker 1: maintaining as much range as possible, So that was impressive.
• 51:47
  Speaker 1: Eighteen inch wheel which I mean, these are they're really
• 51:50
  Speaker 1: big tires on there.
• 51:51
  Speaker 3: You can see how big they are.
• 51:52
  Speaker 1: And then all of the electronic packages worked great. The
• 51:56
  Speaker 1: one pedal drive is really interesting. It's kind of like
• 51:59
  Speaker 1: left foot break but with just one foot. So you
• 52:02
  Speaker 1: start to accelerate and the vehicle moves forward, you start
• 52:05
  Speaker 1: to let off the accelerator, it actually starts to slow down,
• 52:08
  Speaker 1: and not just because of what we had experienced with
• 52:11
  Speaker 1: an engine where it's compression braking. It's actually starting to
• 52:13
  Speaker 1: apply the brakes without you touching the brake pedal, so
• 52:16
  Speaker 1: it'll actually if you lift off quickly, it kind of
• 52:19
  Speaker 1: parks you like it jerks you to a stop.
• 52:22
  Speaker 3: It does.
• 52:22
  Speaker 2: And that was that was in the low range correct
• 52:25
  Speaker 2: in the l ration, and I remember one of the
• 52:27
  Speaker 2: other drivers mentioned that they got on the radio and
• 52:30
  Speaker 2: kind of asked because they noticed when we were driving
• 52:32
  Speaker 2: in terrain mode in low the brake lights were on
• 52:36
  Speaker 2: all vehicles consistently, and they said, what does that mean?
• 52:39
  Speaker 2: Do those ever go off? And the engineers kind of
• 52:42
  Speaker 2: got back to us and said, it's because there is
• 52:44
  Speaker 2: a little bit of brake being applied the entire time.
• 52:47
  Speaker 1: And we did smell a little bit of breake smell
• 52:50
  Speaker 1: at one point from one of the vehicles in front
• 52:52
  Speaker 1: of us. In fact, the driver got up and did
• 52:54
  Speaker 1: a walk around because you know, he had been in
• 52:56
  Speaker 1: terrain mode for clearly a very very long time. So
• 52:59
  Speaker 1: I think you want to move in and out of it.
• 53:00
  Speaker 1: You want to be in terrain mode and really technical obstacles.
• 53:03
  Speaker 1: That's where I would like to see the front locker
• 53:05
  Speaker 1: being available without one pedal drive. So if you're doing
• 53:08
  Speaker 1: a long trail, the brakes are going to get hot,
• 53:11
  Speaker 1: You're using more energy from the battery than you need
• 53:13
  Speaker 1: to because you're having to overcome the braking.
• 53:16
  Speaker 3: I would like to see the ability to engage the.
• 53:18
  Speaker 1: Front locker without one pedal drive and without the vehicle
• 53:21
  Speaker 1: breaks being applied. Sure, I think that would be an advantage.
• 53:25
  Speaker 1: Front rear departure angles front approach and rear departure angles
• 53:28
  Speaker 1: are great. You can improve the breakover angle. With an
• 53:30
  Speaker 1: air suspension, you can go into a high mode. There's
• 53:34
  Speaker 1: rock sliders that come on this edition of the vehicle
• 53:36
  Speaker 1: that really protect it. And then of course that full
• 53:38
  Speaker 1: length boron skid plating underneath, so quite the beast on
• 53:41
  Speaker 1: the trail. And because of that four wheel steering, it's
• 53:44
  Speaker 1: way more nimble than you'd think.
• 53:46
  Speaker 2: Yeah, it was incredible again just I mean kind of
• 53:49
  Speaker 2: dancing through these narrow sections of trail like it drove
• 53:52
  Speaker 2: like a much smaller vehicle than it is.
• 53:53
  Speaker 3: Yeah, yeah, it was I think overall impressive off road.
• 53:57
  Speaker 2: Yeah, I totally agree.
• 53:58
  Speaker 1: What was your kind of thought surround overlanding one of
• 54:01
  Speaker 1: these things, Let's just quickly redefine overlanding.
• 54:04
  Speaker 2: It's vehicle based travel, so it's actually a pretty broad
• 54:07
  Speaker 2: thing that we're defining with this one term. So I think, yes,
• 54:11
  Speaker 2: absolutely it could. You know, charging infrastructure is going to
• 54:14
  Speaker 2: be one of the major considerations. But as we found out,
• 54:17
  Speaker 2: we got a whole day of driving with hours of
• 54:19
  Speaker 2: off road off highway driving yep, and we still had
• 54:22
  Speaker 2: plenty of battery life left to get back to where
• 54:24
  Speaker 2: we started.
• 54:25
  Speaker 1: So and most trails are fairly short. I think you
• 54:27
  Speaker 1: could easily do the Alpine loop. I mean, where I
• 54:30
  Speaker 1: think you run into trouble is like you want to
• 54:32
  Speaker 1: go camping for quite some time, and you've got fridges
• 54:35
  Speaker 1: running and all kinds of other accessories that are drawing
• 54:38
  Speaker 1: on that battery pack. I think that starts to be
• 54:39
  Speaker 1: more of a consideration. But at least in the forty
• 54:42
  Speaker 1: eight States, there's just not many scenarios where you're going
• 54:45
  Speaker 1: to run out of range.
• 54:47
  Speaker 2: Yeah, and I think you know, a lot of times
• 54:48
  Speaker 2: when we use the term overlander, people tend to think
• 54:51
  Speaker 2: of full timers, you know, people who are traveling for
• 54:54
  Speaker 2: months at a time. So maybe kind of what you
• 54:56
  Speaker 2: just alluded to with, you know, needing a bunch of
• 54:58
  Speaker 2: accessories or auxiliary things like those could draw some or
• 55:01
  Speaker 2: those could bring up some challenges for this particular platform.
• 55:05
  Speaker 2: Maybe not ideal, but also realistically based on the price,
• 55:08
  Speaker 2: probably not a vehicle everyone's going to choose for it,
• 55:11
  Speaker 2: But that doesn't mean it couldn't do it. You talked
• 55:13
  Speaker 2: about it has thirteen hundred pound payloads, so maybe for
• 55:16
  Speaker 2: a couple less camping gear, you know, that's no problem
• 55:19
  Speaker 2: totally sufficient. It has enough of a bed that maybe
• 55:21
  Speaker 2: we'll see some cool innovative company come up with a
• 55:24
  Speaker 2: lightweight camper.
• 55:25
  Speaker 1: I'd love to see like fast style, Yeah exactly. I
• 55:29
  Speaker 1: think that would be I mean it is a go
• 55:31
  Speaker 1: fast camper, this is a go fast truck. Yeah, it
• 55:34
  Speaker 1: kind of needs one on the on the back. I
• 55:35
  Speaker 1: think that would be really clever.
• 55:37
  Speaker 2: Might be the perfect test of the huck ability of
• 55:39
  Speaker 2: that emper, Yeah, no doubt.
• 55:41
  Speaker 3: Yeah.
• 55:41
  Speaker 2: So you've got that bed, You've got the utility of
• 55:43
  Speaker 2: the bed, you know, and and also there are some
• 55:46
  Speaker 2: accessories that will be available right away that would be useful.
• 55:49
  Speaker 2: So we saw one of the vehicles at the initial facility.
• 55:53
  Speaker 2: It had crossbars and it also had some tower was
• 55:57
  Speaker 2: it like towers? It was bed on the sides of
• 55:59
  Speaker 2: the bed, and there was a rooftop tent.
• 56:01
  Speaker 1: I was Free Spirit recreation rooftop tent up top. You
• 56:04
  Speaker 1: can get two spare tires in the bed, a bunch
• 56:07
  Speaker 1: of light packages, of course, but it would be very.
• 56:10
  Speaker 3: Easy to camp out of that thing.
• 56:12
  Speaker 1: And I think it's much more of a North American
• 56:15
  Speaker 1: Overlander than we would think, and that's because it has
• 56:18
  Speaker 1: a three hundred and fifty mile range. We were able
• 56:20
  Speaker 1: to experience an entire day of driving on road and
• 56:24
  Speaker 1: off and we came back with a half full battery.
• 56:26
  Speaker 1: So I suspect it will solve most of the problems
• 56:29
  Speaker 1: that a North American overlander would have, and I think
• 56:32
  Speaker 1: even in the back country. Yeah, even for longer pavement
• 56:36
  Speaker 1: bound road trips. I really think it'll do just fine here.
• 56:39
  Speaker 1: When you consider the fact that it can go from
• 56:41
  Speaker 1: twenty percent charge to eighty percent charge in forty minutes.
• 56:44
  Speaker 1: You're driving intoterial combustion vehicle. You're going to have to
• 56:47
  Speaker 1: stop to use the restroom, You're going to have to
• 56:49
  Speaker 1: stop to refuel, maybe pick up a meal. It's like,
• 56:52
  Speaker 1: it's not going to be that different in this vehicle. Yeah,
• 56:55
  Speaker 1: that's very true. I think there'll be a bunch of
• 56:56
  Speaker 1: accessories that'll come out. I think integrating a winch with
• 56:59
  Speaker 1: this will be really interesting. It'll be fun to see
• 57:02
  Speaker 1: how people start to solve problems. Because it is ten
• 57:04
  Speaker 1: thousand pounds, so it's going to be it's not going
• 57:06
  Speaker 1: to do great in snow or sand or mud because
• 57:09
  Speaker 1: it's not the hummer's fault. It weighs ten thousand pounds,
• 57:12
  Speaker 1: so you can only have so much flotation even out
• 57:14
  Speaker 1: of a thirty five inch tall tire, So I think
• 57:16
  Speaker 1: having a winch would.
• 57:17
  Speaker 3: Probably be a good idea.
• 57:18
  Speaker 1: So yeah, well, any final thoughts on the on the
• 57:21
  Speaker 1: Hummer super truck?
• 57:22
  Speaker 3: Can I have one?
• 57:25
  Speaker 1: We just need one at the office for Yes, I'm
• 57:27
  Speaker 1: feeling a little stressed. Yeah, it go zero to not
• 57:30
  Speaker 1: stressed in three seconds.
• 57:33
  Speaker 2: Nothing else comes to mind. Man, we've covered quite a
• 57:35
  Speaker 2: lot to do. Yeah, it's cool. It's just so cool
• 57:38
  Speaker 2: to see these these vehicles coming about with so much
• 57:41
  Speaker 2: innovation put into them. You know, I really Now I
• 57:44
  Speaker 2: want to go and watch the A and E documentary
• 57:46
  Speaker 2: that was produced on this even more for a couple
• 57:49
  Speaker 2: of reasons. One, we met a bunch of the people
• 57:51
  Speaker 2: who are in the documentary featured prominently, and I would
• 57:53
  Speaker 2: love to see what the behind the scenes was like.
• 57:56
  Speaker 2: And you know, for those people that are unfamiliar, the
• 57:59
  Speaker 2: timeline for production of this is like ridiculous two years, right,
• 58:02
  Speaker 2: which is what like half of what a normal vehicle. Yes,
• 58:05
  Speaker 2: and they were designing it from the ground up. It's
• 58:07
  Speaker 2: not land during the pandemic. Yeah, I mean, so really
• 58:10
  Speaker 2: interesting how they accomplish that. Yeah, so I think there's
• 58:13
  Speaker 2: probably a really interesting story there, And so yeah, I
• 58:16
  Speaker 2: would love to go and watch that and just kind
• 58:17
  Speaker 2: of soak more in about this.
• 58:19
  Speaker 1: Yeah, and we're seeing a vehicle like this from a
• 58:21
  Speaker 1: major OEM. You know, we're not just seeing it from
• 58:23
  Speaker 1: some disruptor tech startup. We're seeing an OEM deliver an
• 58:28
  Speaker 1: electric super truck in two years with an enormous amount
• 58:32
  Speaker 1: of capability and the manufacturing capability to actually deliver units.
• 58:36
  Speaker 1: And they're already delivering hummers today. So now they are
• 58:40
  Speaker 1: booked out, I think would they say till twenty twenty
• 58:42
  Speaker 1: four or something like that, you can't even get one,
• 58:44
  Speaker 1: get on the list or something like that. So it's
• 58:46
  Speaker 1: impressive how many they've already sold. But it's going to
• 58:48
  Speaker 1: be very exciting to see the big OEMs addressing evs
• 58:52
  Speaker 1: and making more and more interesting vehicles.
• 58:55
  Speaker 2: I was going to say, I think, you know, my
• 58:57
  Speaker 2: takeaway is like, while this is a vehicle I personally
• 59:00
  Speaker 2: I probably wouldn't own for a variety of reasons, not
• 59:02
  Speaker 2: because it's not fun, yeah, things like that, But you know,
• 59:06
  Speaker 2: the development of vehicles like this, there's a lot that
• 59:09
  Speaker 2: comes out of this that will trickle down into things
• 59:11
  Speaker 2: that are maybe more accessible to a wider variety of people.
• 59:14
  Speaker 2: And that's really exciting.
• 59:15
  Speaker 1: I mean that's they've announced an electric Sierra, so we're
• 59:18
  Speaker 1: going to see a you know, a half ton standard
• 59:21
  Speaker 1: pick up with electric capability soon.
• 59:23
  Speaker 2: Yeah, awesome.
• 59:24
  Speaker 1: Well, thanks Matt, it was really fun to go out
• 59:25
  Speaker 1: there and do that. We're going to have a full
• 59:27
  Speaker 1: video on this on YouTube. It probably will have already
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  Speaker 1: launched by the time that you hear this, or on
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  Speaker 1: the same day, So we've got a video coming out
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  Speaker 1: that Matt and I produced from the experience. You can
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  Speaker 1: see all of that stuff we were talking about live
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  Speaker 1: as it's happening, including Matt and my's expression on this
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  Speaker 1: on the zero to sixteen let's all.
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  Speaker 3: It wants to drop a little a.
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  Speaker 1: Little Easter egg into the YouTube video for the for
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  Speaker 1: the podcast, but it'll be pretty fun to see the
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  Speaker 1: video come together. We'll have a full article on expedition
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  Speaker 1: Portal as well, and then also an article in Overland Journal.
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  Speaker 3: Cool. Well, thank you, Matt.
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  Speaker 1: We appreciate you all listening and we will talk to
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  Speaker 1: you next time.