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🎸 Daniel Sproul on Music, Innovation & the Pump Tracks Crypto Platform Transforming the Industry | Michael Jaco · Unleashing Intuition Secrets

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  Hello.
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  Hello everybody.
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  It's Michael Jacob with Unleashing Intuition Secrets
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  of David Spr with us today.
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  And, uh, his bio as he was born and raised in Boulder, Colorado.
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  Visited there, uh, with Gaia.
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  Uh, it's a great place.
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  Beautiful.
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  I started playing, he started playing guitar at age five Wow.
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  Very early on, and really got into it deeply when he was, uh, 12.
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  Always, uh, grew up playing music with his brother.
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  Eventually started a band called Rose Hill Drive.
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  Started touring when it was around 17 and was fortunate enough to open
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  up with wow, some incredible names.
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  Uh, Aerosmith Van Halen.
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  The whos the Stone Age, black Crows, many others.
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  Wow.
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  Unbelievable.
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  Uh, dream come true.
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  Definitely.
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  We, they toured around the USA and Europe.
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  Made a few records.
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  The band never really broke out, but, uh, had incredible experiences.
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  And then, uh, moved on.
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  He does.
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  Still does it today.
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  So incredible information.
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  The latest that he's doing is, uh, he's got this idea called Pump Tracks.
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  Uh, it rides a fine line between a new way for artists to get their music
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  out and potentially be profitable with it, as well as giving memecoin
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  and crypto traders something new and meaningful to trade with.
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  So Daniel, thanks so much for joining us.
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  Thanks for having me.
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  It is an honor.
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  Yeah, it's, uh, it's gonna be a fantastic, uh, little journey here.
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  So what we, I just read that you, you've been doing this since you were five.
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  Wow.
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  That's incredible.
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  So, uh, obviously you had some kind of talent.
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  It wasn't just, you know, you just picked up a guitar and played.
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  How did it work out for you?
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  Um, well, you know, I, I, I started playing when I was young, when I was five.
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  My father played a lot and, you know, I took interest to it.
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  And.
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  Uh, you know, kind of trying to learn, you know, there's, there's
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  frustrations with trying to learn how to play an instrument, of course.
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  But when I was 12, I really started to take it seriously and
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  got my first electric guitar.
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  You know, I'll never forget it.
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  I finished Stratocaster and, continued to play with my brother and, formed
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  a band and worked on it really hard.
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  And it, it provided some fantastic, uh, opportunities and experiences.
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  You know, before we knew it, you know, we were touring, um, and opening up
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  for those bands that you mentioned.
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  Uh, lots of miles, lots of miles in the van.
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  Uh, I think we probably racked up half a million, just in that, in, touring in the,
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  in the van and trailer and you know, EE experiences that I really cherish today.
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  During the time, you know, there's, there's the work and there's the doubt
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  and there's, you know, uh, the grind.
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  But I, I wouldn't trade it for anything, you know, I, I, I never
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  actually graduated high school.
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  I knew that I wanted to play the guitar.
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  Mm-hmm.
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  You know, got my GED and I, uh, you know, just took it from there.
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  Absolutely love music, love the guitar.
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  I still play today.
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  Mostly composition work for media and commercials.
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  But yeah, I mean it's it's been a blessing.
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  Yeah.
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  Uh, amazing.
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  Uh, so I'm gonna play, uh, a couple of, just, we'll start with, uh, the
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  Ryan Bingham, uh, clip you sent me.
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  Oh, cool.
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  Uh, and share that and, uh, let people see, you know, the kind of performances
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  that you, uh, you've been about and Wow.
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  You're widespread.
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  I mean, you do everything.
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  It's, it is pretty incredible.
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  Oh, your breath.
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  Yeah.
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  So let's, let's play a little piece of this.
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  He is such a cool guy.
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  That was fun times.
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  That must have been,
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  yeah.
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  It's always very heavy.
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  That's Nate Barnes on the drums.
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  He was.
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  He was in Rose Hill Drive with us.
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  He's a fantastic drummer.
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  So, uh, very, very creative work.
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  Uh, and there's, there's a few other ones that, uh, we'll,
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  uh, we'll go over to as well.
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  So here's, uh, elephant Revival.
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  I liked all these clips.
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  It's beautiful.
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  Well done.
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  Any, any comments you got about, uh, some of these, uh, some of these bands?
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  Oh, sure.
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  You know, I've been, I've been in, in, in several different bands.
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  This was the latest one that I was in.
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  I'm, I'm no longer playing with them.
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  But this was a bigger show at the Mission Ballroom in Denver.
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  And, the head of the band, uh, Bonnie who's just a, a living angel she called
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  me one day and she was like, Hey, do you think we could maybe cover schism by tool?
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  And I was like, sure, let's do it.
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  Awesome.
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  Yeah, so I, you know, I, if, if you, you know, if you know that song
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  the only four four typical, measure of music is at the very end there,
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  there's, it's very, very complicated.
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  And, and super cool.
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  So, you know, I, I dug in and I learned, the parts and taught the band and, you
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  know, I think it turned out really well.
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  She actually had this amazing idea of bringing in a drum line, uh, to,
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  you know, assist on the big parts.
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  But yeah, that, that, this was it, it was really ambitious and, um, I'm so
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  glad that she brought it to the table.
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  'cause it, it worked out really well.
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  Yeah, you can tell this is, uh, this is quite, uh, artistic, uh.
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  Rendering here.
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  So let's listen to a little bit piece of this.
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  I know because I
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  your detention.
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  So that must be, uh, you know, with a crowd like that, what, what does
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  that feel like when you're up there playing like that and you got a
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  huge crowd that's loving your music?
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  Oh, there's, there's nothing like it really.
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  It's it, you know, it, it's been, uh, kind of a lifetime of
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  figuring out how to interpret it.
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  You know, I, I appreciate that question.
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  There's I changed from nerves and trying to prove something to really
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  just embracing the fact that you have the ability to channel and give to
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  the people that come, you know, it's reciprocal and, it's, um, so much of
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  the time in, in, in music and anything where somebody can get popular or famous
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  it can get misinterpreted and abused.
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  And so that was something that I always, always questioned.
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  I, I, I feel fortunate to have come to the point where.
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  It, you know, I don't get nervous anymore, which is great 'cause that,
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  you know, your fingers don't quite work the same way when you're nervous.
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  And, um, just appreciation.
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  I. Yeah, that, that sounds, that's, uh, that's what everybody, I, you know,
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  everything, I think everybody has a dream.
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  Like they'd love to have been a musician at some point.
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  Uh, I did, you know, it's like, but that wasn't my call.
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  And I went into the SEAL teams and, life went on.
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  But, uh, always appreciated all those guys.
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  And I, I would know people over the years, uh, there was times where I did
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  security around, uh, bands and so forth.
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  Uh, I remember.
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  When I was 18, I saw Van Halen and, uh, you know, some of those guys, and I
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  was like, God, you know, I'd just love to be around, uh, some of those guys.
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  And then, you know, I was so, uh, and they're just, just like us, you
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  know, just cool dudes, you know, having, having a good time, you know,
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  doing their thing, uh, absolutely.
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  And making some good money, you know, partying, whatever.
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  Mm-hmm.
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  So, uh, how, how was it, you know, being around all those, uh, you know,
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  high-end, uh, groups, you know, the WHO and Aerosmith and all those guys?
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  Sure.
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  Yeah.
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  Uh, there's variance, right?
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  I would say Pete Townsend is one of the most phenomenal human beings.
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  He, the way he commands respect, uh, but gently be sure you have something.
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  To say that's articulate, you know, because he's, he's he's a very cerebral
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  person, but also very creative and, um, thought provoking conversations.
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  When he looks at you with those blue eyes, it, it's, it goes straight into your soul.
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  Hmm.
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  Not everybody's like that.
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  Um, but at the same time just experiencing the differences in, uh, the guys
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  from Van Halen were incredibly kind.
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  Oh,
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  yeah.
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  Uh, very welcoming.
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  And you know, I mean, I, I, I cried the day Eddie died.
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  He was, he changed guitar.
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  Yeah.
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  It's beautiful work.
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  Yeah.
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  Yeah.
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  I, I, obviously someone like you would appreciate that.
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  Sammy Hagar.
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  So I was, uh, you know, up close with Sammy Hagar.
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  I gotta talk to him a little bit.
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  Uh, again, doing some, security for him and his son.
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  Uh, they played, uh, together.
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  So that must have been pretty cool for him to do that with the son.
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  But I, I've always loved his music and always been inspired by it.
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  You know, I can't drive.
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  55 was like my theme every time I was driving a Pinto, of course
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  that time, but I was like,
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  and then I, I moved up to a Mustang.
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  It's in there.
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  I got a little bit more speed.
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  But, uh, it was, the artistic stuff is just amazing there now.
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  You've been around all these people, you know, there's all these controversies
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  about, uh, the level of music, uh, you know, is it going to the dark side?
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  Is it, from your music and from talking to you, you're obviously, you know
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  of the light and you're on that side, but you know, there's, well, I know
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  there's some, some dark aspects to that.
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  Uh, how, how, when you encounter that, what was it like for you?
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  It's palatable.
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  Yeah.
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  And thankfully those experiences were few and far between.
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  Excellent.
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  Um, but yeah, it, it, it's palatable.
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  I mean, with, with that type of I guess you could say power and responsibility
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  it you gotta treat it the right way.
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  Hmm.
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  And some people choose not to.
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  However, it's, it's, it's something that is, it's greater than us.
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  And I think that that is a, a point to be respected when you
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  start to get recognition from your music, you know it's not you.
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  Right?
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  It's channeling through you that that's, that's my belief.
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  Beautiful.
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  Yeah.
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  So, uh, there's, uh, there's different frequencies and stuff like that.
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  Some people are making, uh, making comments in the chat
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  about the 4 32 frequency.
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  Sure.
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  Uh, what, what are your thoughts on those frequencies and how sometimes
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  they manipulate those frequencies and, 'cause I've listened to music from,
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  uh, I remember this one, uh, black pastor, uh, he was talking about the,
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  you know, the frequencies of music and he, he showed this, uh, one black group.
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  They were just phenomenal.
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  I was like, I looked at them, they're well dressed, they're handsome guys.
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  And I was just like, God, these guys are amazing.
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  And he says, now watch this.
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  I'm gonna change the frequency just a little bit.
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  And he changed the frequency and I was like, oh, those guys suck.
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  What the heck?
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  And just from the frequency, uh, it was, and wow what an incredible thing.
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  So what, what are your thoughts on the, the frequencies?
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  Sure.
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  I I think it's a fascinating concept.
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  Yeah.
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  Um, we're vibrational beings, right?
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  We're antennas of vibration and, you know, there there's the rumor, it's not true,
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  but that the Nazis develop the four 40 frequency as, as like the standard of,
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  of tuning and that it should be 4 32.
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  Um, I don't know enough about it to speak.
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  About the actual historical relevance of all that.
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  Mm-hmm.
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  Um, however I, I look forward to digging in more into tho those
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  resonant frequencies and what it means.
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  You, I i, there if you, a lot of times we would play and tune a half step down.
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  So you're not in four 40 anymore.
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  And it sounds different.
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  It feels different.
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  I wouldn't say that it's better or worse.
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  When you do feel something though, that's the truth.
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  When you actually, when it's resonating with you and, and you frequency or
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  the frequencies around you, it's something to pay attention to.
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  It's important.
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  Yeah.
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  Oh yeah, absolutely.
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  And, uh, obviously your, your music is, uh, paying attention to it.
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  'cause uh, you know, I'm looking at, uh, some of listening to some of
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  your work and it's, uh, phenomenal.
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  Let's, let's listen to another piece.
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  Hardworking Americans.
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  Uh, I. You know, I'm, I'm a old school rock and roller.
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  I love, uh, you know, the hardcore stuff.
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  Uh, sure you got a little bit of that in there, and then you've got
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  that very artistic piece that we played, and a little bit of country,
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  little twang going on in there.
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  But this is the kind of stuff that really resonates with me.
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  And I, I really appreciate, you know, people that can play like this.
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  Yeah, making it sing.
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  I mean, I got, I got chills just listening to it.
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  Oh, thanks.
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  That's awesome.
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  I love
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  that.
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  Yeah.
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  Good stuff.
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  Good stuff.
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  So, uh, you know.
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  Inspi inspiration.
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  You know, uh, people listen to music like this.
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  They're inspired.
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  They love it.
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  And you're, you've been doing that for quite some time.
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  I know you're getting ready to take your children out.
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  You're gonna, you're homeschooling, so you're really dedicated and you're
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  gonna travel and stuff and so forth.
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  Fantastic.
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  Uh, thank you.
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  You're gonna, KI obviously gonna keep up with your music, or are you
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  gonna play while you're on the road?
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  Yeah, I mean, there, there will be a shift.
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  I'm no longer playing in an active band.
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  And I'm okay with that right now.
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  Uh, I, I want to open up to new possibilities.
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  My kids are very into music and my eldest daughter is.
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  Picking up the guitar very quickly.
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  Ah,
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  sings like an angel.
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  Uh, it's like I hard to describe what that does to my heart.
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  So my goal is to embrace that and make music together as a family.
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  Right now, um, it's.
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  Probably the best experience in music that I've had is being able to play with her.
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  Uh, my middle daughter is picking up the drums, you know,
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  and natural talent as well.
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  And my son, who's the youngest is very interested in music too.
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  He is, picked up the ukulele and started strumming and it's like, how
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  did you do that, man, that's amazing.
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  That's
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  cool.
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  So it's, it's, yeah, it's exciting.
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  Yeah, that's, you have your own little uh, band there.
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  That was pretty fun.
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  Totally.
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  You like departures family.
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  That's, that's pretty cool.
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  Outta the rv.
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  Traveling all across the country.
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  Exactly.
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  Yeah.
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  Just need a, you know, a old school bus or something.
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  Yeah, exactly.
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  So you're, you're into, uh, and this is the most exciting thing.
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  All that's exciting.
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  Everything you've done is obviously incredibly exciting.
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  Probably like we could talk for hours about some of the experiences you've had.
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  Uh, but the one thing that you you know, you do music and you've done
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  music for, uh, you know, written music and your music's used in a lot
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  of different, uh, work and you, your.
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  Probably, getting resources from that.
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  Is that correct?
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  Yeah.
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  Yeah.
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  And so, uh, now you're moving into a new aspect pump tracks.
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  Yeah.
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  Uh, and that sounds very exciting.
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  Tell us a little bit about how that works.
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  Sure.
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  Well, it's.
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  It's unique and it's an idea that blends two worlds together.
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  That hasn't totally been done yet.
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  Um, NFTs are, are very popular, right?
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  Uh, and it's not totally the same thing.
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  So I've been interested in blockchain technology and crypto since it's come out.
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  And I. Had this idea.
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  I I, I tried my hand at, at trading meme coins.
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  Uh, it's very difficult.
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  Yeah.
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  And you know, the, the, the attraction is the upside.
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  You can see these people making a lot of money.
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  So, you know, it's like, okay, I'm gonna, I'm gonna give that a shot.
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  I don't have the skill to, to do that.
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  The skill level, uh, that has developed in that world is really high.
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  It might seem ridiculous, and, and meme coins in general
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  can appear to be ridiculous.
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  There are some very actually really great projects that are occurring in the space.
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  However it's, it is a challenging place to trade.
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  It's very fast paced and very volatile.
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  And I had this idea after, giving it a shot where I was like, well,
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  what if there was something that was a little more meaningful that
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  people could latch onto quickly?
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  What if there instead of a meme coin, it's a song.
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  And what this does in my mind is it brings something fresh
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  to the traders in the space.
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  It brings something that is, undeniably there.
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  You don't have to do a bunch of research to see if the project is legitimate.
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  You have to do a little bit, right?
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  Make sure that the, the song that somebody launches is actually from
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  them, you know, and that they have the intention of you seeing it.
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  But it's, it's, you know, the idea is, is not necessarily artist focused and
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  it's not necessarily trader focused.
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  I'm trying to ride that line there where it attracts both and, um.
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  You know, it's, it's, it's a baby idea right now there's not many actually
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  the only songs on the site right now are ones that I have put on there for
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  testing or to show proof of concept.
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  Gotcha.
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  So ultimately this is, this is fantastic.
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  Uh, this is something that all artists could benefit from.
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  Sure.
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  Instead of like going through the music industry, which, uh, you know,
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  is a culprit for, you know, stealing talent and taking advantage of,
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  uh, talent you could create your own tracks and tie it into crypto.
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  Mm-hmm.
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  And then you're gonna, you're gonna directly benefit from that.
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  And then if someone has your trek, they could trade it and benefit
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  from it, uh, again as well.
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  So it's like, uh, like you said in a, like an NFT.
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  Tell us a little bit how that works.
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  Sure.
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  So instead of an NFT, which is more of like a collectible or a, uh.
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  Uh, an artist will, will create an NFT collection and there's either
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  scarcity you know, which is enticing for the people, for the fans to buy.
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  Um, and that creates value.
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  This is more of like a commoditizing.
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  Your song, it's more of like a stock and it works the same way.
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  Pump fun works, which is the hands down, the most popular meme,
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  coin launching pad that there is.
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  We use the radium protocol, um, which essentially is just the ability to
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  create a bonding curve, uh, and then.
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  After I, I can explain that in more depth, but after, after the bonding
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  curve reaches migration, then it turns into a real liquidity pool
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  where your track or token is traded against Solana, almost like Forex.
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  Okay.
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  It's a trading pair.
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  Mm-hmm.
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  Um, now the benefit is if you were to launch a song and it gets traction, you
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  make royalties off of trading Feess.
• 21:45
  So every time the song is traded, whether it's up or down, you make a
• 21:49
  percentage of that after the bonding curve is hit, that percentage changes
• 21:54
  a little bit because it turns into a real radium liquidity pool, and they,
• 21:58
  they have metrics for how that works.
• 22:00
  Essentially, if your song trades forever, then you make royalties forever.
• 22:06
  Nice.
• 22:07
  And yeah.
• 22:07
  I mean that, that theoretically, you know mm-hmm.
• 22:10
  Coins don't totally trade forever and there's also no guarantee that
• 22:15
  you will make money doing this.
• 22:17
  Right.
• 22:17
  If you launch a coin and you don't have, you're not pumping it or, or
• 22:23
  trying to get people involved in it, then it probably won't do anything.
• 22:27
  But it's not really a loss at all.
• 22:30
  The, the cost of entry to, to launch a song is 0.05 Soul, uh, which
• 22:36
  at this point is like four bucks.
• 22:38
  'cause mm-hmm.
• 22:39
  You know, crypto's taking a dive right now, uh, which it, it does and it's okay.
• 22:43
  It'll come back.
• 22:44
  Yeah.
• 22:44
  Yeah.
• 22:45
  You now have your song, regardless of if it's traded, it's on our website.
• 22:52
  And it can be played.
• 22:54
  There's a, there's a, a fantastic player function for it, and
• 22:58
  you can share it immediately.
• 23:00
  You don't have to wait weeks for you know, uh, an aggregate company
• 23:04
  to put your song on the Spotify and then hope that you get 10,000 plays.
• 23:09
  You know, 10,000 plays is gonna get you about 40 bucks.
• 23:11
  Wow.
• 23:12
  You know,
• 23:12
  If you get $10,000 in trading volume, which if people know the
• 23:18
  space that can happen in five seconds, uh, you'd make $50.
• 23:24
  You know, if you go, if you go to a hundred thousand dollars in trading
• 23:26
  in volume, you'd make 500 bucks.
• 23:28
  And those numbers sound big, but in the trading space it's not
• 23:32
  really that much because mm-hmm.
• 23:34
  You know, if it hits, and traders see, oh, hey, this is cool, this is legitimate.
• 23:39
  You make the money instantaneously and your exposure is there right away.
• 23:44
  So I'm, I'm hoping to kind of change.
• 23:48
  Change the space of trading is a, is a difficult tall mountain.
• 23:52
  I'm providing something that is fresh for traders.
• 23:56
  Um, sure it could be abused, but it's coming from honesty and it's coming
• 24:01
  from something where it's real.
• 24:04
  Music is forever regardless.
• 24:06
  Mm-hmm.
• 24:07
  When you upload a song to pump tracks, we put it on the Solana blockchain.
• 24:11
  So it's literally there forever.
• 24:13
  Uh, if your music, if, if the internet exists, your music is on
• 24:17
  the Solana blockchain for good, you know, which is appealing to me.
• 24:21
  I, I think it's cool.
• 24:23
  Yeah.
• 24:23
  That's fantastic.
• 24:24
  So if an artist had they wanted to, do they work with you or, or you, is this
• 24:29
  just a concept that anybody could use?
• 24:31
  How's this work?
• 24:31
  Oh,
• 24:32
  anybody can use it.
• 24:33
  You, you can, you can put a song and have it minted into a solana
• 24:38
  based token within under a minute.
• 24:42
  If you, if you have your assets ready to, you know, upload your art.
• 24:46
  Um, you can see, you know, I below the screen that's loading.
• 24:49
  I, I, I tried, I, I uploaded a song yesterday, you know, just to show it's
• 24:54
  like, Hey, this is here, this works.
• 24:57
  And you know, the one below that is a, a song I made with my daughter.
• 25:00
  I, I love that song.
• 25:02
  Oh, cool.
• 25:02
  Let's play it.
• 25:04
  So it's, okay.
• 25:05
  So you click on this and this takes you to the trading page.
• 25:07
  So this is, this is the actual, uh, you know, you don't have a
• 25:11
  wallet connected, which is fine.
• 25:12
  If you did, you could actually swap the token here, but you can also trade it
• 25:16
  on any major or actually not major, any decentralized exchange at this point.
• 25:21
  It is, it is available to trade.
• 25:23
  It's there instantaneously.
• 25:25
  Very cool.
• 25:26
  Very cool.
• 25:26
  Yeah.
• 25:35
  I.
• 25:39
  Really meant to.
• 26:03
  Wow.
• 26:04
  That's fantastic.
• 26:05
  Oh,
• 26:05
  thank.
• 26:05
  So, uh, if someone, uh, was interested in that and then they could purchase it,
• 26:11
  yeah.
• 26:11
  They, they, they can the streaming is free.
• 26:15
  Which is, you know, a benefit to people who wanna share their music.
• 26:19
  So even if your token isn't trading it's there.
• 26:21
  You can share it with whoever you want to.
• 26:23
  Okay.
• 26:24
  And there's also the, the, the player function on that website that I'm,
• 26:28
  basing off of, uh, major music players.
• 26:31
  You can play it on your phone.
• 26:33
  It's there for the taking when it comes to coin trading.
• 26:38
  The thing that would need to be understood is that you gotta be ready, right?
• 26:43
  So if I were to trade a token or, or mint a token right now for a
• 26:48
  song, I would wanna make sure that I'm ready to post it on X, that I
• 26:56
  made the token and post the contract address so people see that it was me.
• 27:01
  Ideally, you even have a community formed for your sound.
• 27:06
  You know, people can join communities on X.
• 27:09
  It doesn't, it's not strictly X though, X is gigantic when it comes to crypto.
• 27:15
  You know, they call it CT for crypto Twitter, but you could do it.
• 27:20
  There's, there's, um, when you upload a song, you have the
• 27:23
  opportunity to either do it.
• 27:26
  Throw your ex social on there, your Instagram or your TikTok, and that's how
• 27:31
  people can see that, you know, it's you.
• 27:36
  The biggest thing is that you show that you minted the song.
• 27:40
  For a starting artist right now who doesn't have a, you
• 27:45
  know, very much of a following.
• 27:47
  It, it, it probably won't get traction.
• 27:50
  I'm working on getting the site, uh, seen and for people to you
• 27:57
  know, realize that it's legitimate.
• 28:00
  My hope is to get either a, a.
• 28:03
  Large person in the, in the crypto space or, uh, somebody
• 28:07
  who's big in music to use it.
• 28:09
  You know, so people can be like, okay, cool.
• 28:12
  Like legit.
• 28:12
  Yeah,
• 28:13
  legit.
• 28:13
  We're gonna, we're gonna start watching what's coming out of this platform now.
• 28:16
  That's my hope.
• 28:18
  Yeah, that's, I, that's gonna happen.
• 28:21
  'cause uh, this is a great concept.
• 28:23
  Uh, every artist I think would want to jump in on this.
• 28:26
  'Cause like we were talking about, you know, uh, if you could do
• 28:29
  this with books and, you know, you probably could do it with anything.
• 28:32
  Right?
• 28:32
  You can.
• 28:33
  And that, and that's the coolest part about the decentralized space.
• 28:37
  And, and decentralized finance in general.
• 28:40
  It's been around for a while.
• 28:41
  However, I, I still feel like it, it has the, it needs to catch on even more.
• 28:48
  You know, it's our opportunity to revolutionize freedom through
• 28:52
  money and to stop being controlled.
• 28:55
  Right.
• 28:55
  You know?
• 28:55
  I love that.
• 28:57
  I think it's fantastic.
• 28:58
  Yeah.
• 28:59
  Daniel, that, that is incredible.
• 29:01
  So, uh, what, what other, uh, things do you see coming, uh, down the
• 29:04
  road as far as like, uh, because a.
• 29:07
  In the email you sent, you're like, AI's basically taking over.
• 29:10
  Sure.
• 29:11
  Uh, so it's, uh, it's, you know, artists are, it's gonna be very hard
• 29:14
  for artists going forward, but this could help, generate income, could,
• 29:19
  uh, help save artists and so forth.
• 29:21
  What, what do you see with the AI coming in?
• 29:24
  You know, I was, I was pretty, I had fear about AI and it taking jobs away.
• 29:31
  I think that you can relate it to the tech boom that happened, you know, years ago.
• 29:37
  There was a lot of fear around that.
• 29:40
  I think what, what would be beneficial is to embrace the technology
• 29:46
  and see how you can work with it and how it can work for you.
• 29:50
  I'm not a. Software developer.
• 29:53
  When I started this concept, I was literally asking gr,
• 29:57
  which is an incredible AI tool.
• 30:01
  Um, I was asking grok how to code this and copying and pasting code
• 30:05
  and doing trial and error, and all of a sudden Claude came out.
• 30:09
  Have you heard of Claude?
• 30:12
  Cloud is absolutely insane.
• 30:14
  You, it's, it's basically an extension for your coding platform.
• 30:18
  So you can load it into a visual code uh, a visual studio code and
• 30:25
  just prompt what you want it to do.
• 30:29
  And say you had a, an idea for a website or a concept, you could be live with
• 30:34
  a functional program within hours.
• 30:36
  You know, it, it increased my productivity on trying to make this
• 30:40
  product by 20 or 30 x immediately.
• 30:44
  And I, I, so I've see I rode that wave of like, you know, I tried AI coding
• 30:50
  programs when they were first coming out and they're, you know, they create
• 30:53
  this bloated code that's unusable.
• 30:55
  And then all of a sudden, the curve started to exponentially
• 30:59
  increase and it is daily.
• 31:00
  Right now.
• 31:01
  What's, what's occurring in the space right now is absolutely incredible.
• 31:05
  And I encourage people who are interested to, to watch what's happening, you know,
• 31:09
  with Grok, with Grock, imagine, uh, with what Elon Musk is doing is incredible.
• 31:15
  With Claude bot, you know, they had to change the name
• 31:17
  now to, to molt bot, I think.
• 31:19
  But it's kind of wild.
• 31:20
  And it's, it's also, you know, we gotta be careful 'cause, you know,
• 31:25
  we, we have there's, certain things that probably should be regulated
• 31:30
  even though I can't stand regulation.
• 31:33
  It's, uh, it's a new territory and just paying attention to
• 31:37
  it I think is fascinating.
• 31:40
  There's somebody, uh, that posted in here.
• 31:41
  I don't know if you're familiar with this, uh, ion Enoch ai.
• 31:46
  Have you heard of that?
• 31:47
  No, I haven't, but I will check that out.
• 31:49
  Yeah.
• 31:50
  Cool.
• 31:51
  So, uh, there's lots of, new technologies coming out and, uh, how do you see
• 31:56
  technology being utilized by the music industry itself, uh, AI and so forth?
• 32:02
  Sure.
• 32:02
  So I think that's a really interesting space right now.
• 32:05
  SUNO is the leader of AI music creation.
• 32:10
  Uh, what it's doing is fascinating.
• 32:14
  Sonic quality struggles.
• 32:17
  And that's where like you, you can do, uh, video generation using Rocky Imagine
• 32:22
  or, or, uh, you know, a multitude of different platforms and it's really good.
• 32:27
  We're, we're gonna see AI movies and AI video games within a year.
• 32:32
  I would say
• 32:33
  absolutely.
• 32:33
  Absolutely.
• 32:34
  Which is crazy.
• 32:35
  Old
• 32:35
  stars come back to life.
• 32:36
  It's, it'll be, it'll be crazy.
• 32:38
  I wonder if Hollywood people are gonna have to sell the rights
• 32:42
  to their likeness or something.
• 32:43
  You know?
• 32:44
  I, I just, it, it's, it's an interesting idea.
• 32:46
  Yeah.
• 32:47
  That's a, that's very interesting idea.
• 32:49
  That would be some way that they could profit from, of course, they,
• 32:51
  you know, reserve the rights, uh, for their you know, image being utilized
• 32:56
  in certain films and so forth.
• 32:57
  They could probably make a just like when, uh, we back in oday when they
• 33:01
  had the cartoons for Disney and so forth, uh, and then they would have
• 33:04
  the voiceover from Stars and so forth.
• 33:07
  They got, they got compensated for that.
• 33:09
  It should the same way with, uh, you know, an artist, uh, that,
• 33:13
  you know, has their music or um.
• 33:16
  A model that's, you know, their likeness is used, all kind of crazy stuff.
• 33:20
  So, uh, it will be interesting.
• 33:23
  Some people are looking at it, oh, it's gonna be stolen, but
• 33:25
  I it can be, uh, captured kinda like what you're talking about.
• 33:29
  So that you benefit from it.
• 33:31
  Yeah.
• 33:31
  Ideally that, that would happen.
• 33:33
  I mean, it, it's changing, changing the space so rapidly.
• 33:36
  Mm-hmm.
• 33:37
  Uh, and when it comes to music AI generation there,
• 33:39
  there's a long way to go.
• 33:41
  If you go onto Suno and you want to make a rock and roll track or something
• 33:46
  like that, it just doesn't sound great.
• 33:48
  I think they're doing a fantastic job with what they're doing.
• 33:50
  I'm not, I'm not trying to knock it.
• 33:52
  If you make a, you know, a hip hop song that's minimal, you know, has
• 33:57
  maybe a synth and a bass line with a kick, it actually sounds really good.
• 34:00
  For me, being in, in music for so long, I, I really appreciate sonic
• 34:04
  quality and, and depth and, you know, when, when you can almost feel like
• 34:08
  you can reach in and grab the song.
• 34:10
  AI is not doing that yet.
• 34:13
  Uh, I think that it's only a matter of time, you know, and of course it
• 34:16
  threatens my job, but I'm, I'm not gonna think about it like that anymore.
• 34:20
  You know, I, I, I choose to think about it as how, how can I use this?
• 34:26
  You know, there's, I'm, I'm in a, uh, uh, a group on X that is full of
• 34:32
  some of the most creative people I've met, even though, met cyber in, in
• 34:37
  cyber world and how they're utilizing these tools expands my mind every day.
• 34:42
  And I, I'm really grateful for that 'cause it's like, oh, this is actually paving
• 34:46
  way to new skill and new forms of art.
• 34:51
  We can't, I, I, I think that it's, I think that it, it is unwise
• 34:56
  to shun something like that,
• 34:57
  yeah.
• 34:58
  I think ultimately, you know, like for yourself the musical talent
• 35:02
  and the, the creativity, they're not gonna be able to, uh, you know,
• 35:06
  replicate that, at least at this point.
• 35:08
  So that's, that's where we're kind of safe.
• 35:10
  Uh, they're not gonna be able to come in and.
• 35:12
  Create on the level that we do.
• 35:14
  So what were your thoughts on that?
• 35:16
  Yeah, I agree.
• 35:17
  I, I totally agree.
• 35:19
  I, you, we could do the Pepsi challenge to any music, and I
• 35:22
  can tell you which one's ai.
• 35:23
  And whether that's good or bad.
• 35:26
  I'm not going to judge it.
• 35:28
  But it, it, it definitely, there's improvement with Sonics,
• 35:32
  which is interesting to me.
• 35:34
  'cause it's like, how, how can you make a video look completely real and convincing?
• 35:39
  But the music isn't quite there yet.
• 35:41
  You know, I guess a algorithm rhythmically it, it, it needs to improve.
• 35:47
  Yeah, definitely, definitely.
• 35:49
  Uh, so Daniel, I I have, I have your link in the description box, but if
• 35:54
  people want to contact you about this information how could they do that?
• 35:58
  Uh, yeah, I mean, you can go to the Pump Tracks do fund website and my, my x handle
• 36:04
  is, is there, um, if you're on X, you can go to, uh, pump Tracks fund capital
• 36:10
  P, and then capital Fun at the end.
• 36:14
  Based audio is also, that's kind of my, my main social handle there.
• 36:20
  So yeah, feel free to, to direct message.
• 36:22
  I check all the time and I'm open for collaborations,
• 36:26
  suggestions anything really.
• 36:29
  I'm excited about this and I, and I want to see people use it.
• 36:34
  Yeah, definitely.
• 36:35
  Uh, you know, everybody that's listening just jump on over
• 36:37
  there and, uh, you know, follow.
• 36:38
  That's, that's pretty easy.
• 36:40
  You, I think we're gonna see some good things here, Daniel, and I'd,
• 36:43
  I'd love to have you back on when, uh, you know, something kicks for you.
• 36:46
  Uh.
• 36:47
  Gosh, when you, when you're on the road with your children, man, if you guys
• 36:50
  did a, did some kind of musical thing and video, whatever I'd love to post it.
• 36:56
  Oh, I, I appreciate that.
• 36:57
  Yeah, we definitely will.
• 36:58
  And you know, I, I would be completely honored to come back and talk more.
• 37:02
  That sounds
• 37:03
  great.
• 37:03
  Yeah, absolutely.
• 37:04
  Yeah.
• 37:05
  I think, uh, what's beautiful about what you're doing is they've taken a
• 37:09
  lot of art and music out of the schools.
• 37:11
  I remember, you know, when I grew up, it was like, ev every.
• 37:14
  Every week, uh, you're doing something.
• 37:17
  Uh, I was in the choir.
• 37:19
  I was, you know, I played the flute and Yeah.
• 37:21
  Uh, you know, different stuff.
• 37:22
  Uh, but, you know, we, we were always involved with art and, uh, that's,
• 37:26
  uh, but I guess now it's kind of like pretty much taking it out.
• 37:30
  Yeah.
• 37:30
  I, I have a lot of feelings and opinions about that.
• 37:34
  I bet.
• 37:34
  Yeah.
• 37:35
  It's a shame.
• 37:36
  You know, my, my kids when they were in public school last year and, and leading
• 37:42
  up to that, that was the only class they would complain about was music.
• 37:45
  And it's like, what?
• 37:48
  Seriously?
• 37:49
  Um, and it, it, yeah, it, it needs attention 'cause it's very important.
• 37:54
  And if we want a, a culture that has the depth we have to have art and
• 37:59
  music, that, that is a, that is a must.
• 38:03
  I agree.
• 38:04
  I agree.
• 38:05
  And, uh, that's, that's so beautiful that you're taking your, your children,
• 38:08
  you're totally exposing them to music.
• 38:10
  And so that creativity, who knows, they might not be the musician of the future,
• 38:14
  but that creativity that comes through, which I appreciate, you know, having
• 38:18
  gone through, uh, a lot of music in the past you know, comes out in other ways.
• 38:22
  So, uh, you know, opening those, uh, those doorways, uh, to creativity is fantastic.
• 38:27
  So great job.
• 38:28
  Thank you.
• 38:29
  I appreciate that.
• 38:30
  Yeah.
• 38:31
  All right, Daniel, thanks so much for coming on, and like I said, I look
• 38:34
  forward to, uh, you know, seeing your work in the future and what you're
• 38:37
  up to, and, uh, we'll keep in touch.
• 38:40
  I look forward to it.
• 38:40
  Thank you so much, Michael.
• 38:42
  Thank you.
• 38:42
  All
• 38:43
  right.
• 38:43
  I.