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- 0:33Well, hello, this is Diva Mia. And today we're going to talk a little bit
- 0:36about attachment styles. I think as more and more people date,
- 0:41attachment styles are becoming a bigger and bigger influence in
- 0:44who you want to date. And there's a strange thing that happens when we're dating
- 0:48in midlife. We tell ourselves that we're wiser now, that when
- 0:52we get into relationships, we know how to handle them because
- 0:55we've got experience. You may have experience from dating before,
- 0:58you were married. We think we know what we want, but do we really?
- 1:02We know that we won't tolerate certain things again, but what happens when
- 1:06somebody does something different? How much do you have a boundary for and how much
- 1:09do you tolerate? You may have survived a divorce, difficult marriage,
- 1:13betrayal, heartbreak in the past, raising children,
- 1:16career changes, and enough life experiences to believe we should
- 1:20be able to recognize a bad relationship when it walks through the door, but I'm
- 1:23here to tell you sometimes you don't and yet sometimes we find ourselves
- 1:27attracted to the same exact same emotional patterns. It's just
- 1:32wearing a different face. Sometimes a different person, different career, different background,
- 1:35but it's a similar relationship. Have you had a partner that cheated
- 1:39in the past and now you're finding yourself in the same situation with
- 1:43another partner that's cheating? Sometimes you keep choosing people who
- 1:47initially seem incredibly interested and then suddenly become distant. That's a
- 1:51possibility. It's called an avoidant. Maybe you become instantly
- 1:54attached to someone the moment they start pulling away because you
- 1:57like to chase them. Maybe you're attracted to people who need rescuing.
- 2:01Maybe you— everything is wonderful until the relationship starts
- 2:05to get serious and suddenly you're the one looking to exit.
- 2:08So what type of attachment style do you have? Or maybe you keep
- 2:13finding yourself in relationships that are incredibly passionate but emotionally
- 2:17exhausting and you feel drained. Or are you diminishing yourself just
- 2:22to keep the peace in order to keep the relationship going? If any of that
- 2:26sounds familiar, attachment theory can help explain why. Now, when we're going to talk about
- 2:30attachment style, Don't pigeonhole people into just one attachment style. They may
- 2:34lean to a specific way, but unless they're diagnosed by someone that says,
- 2:38this is your attachment style, you may find that they have different attachments in
- 2:42different situations. So today we're going to talk about attachment style in
- 2:45midlife, why, why certain attachment styles are drawn to one another as
- 2:49well. So you may be drawn to a specific type of person and
- 2:53also which combination tends to create the most destructive relationship.
- 2:57And most importantly, how you can break the pattern and hopefully find a relationship
- 3:01that's not destructive for you. Because attachment can explain your
- 3:05behavior and the reason why you're behaving a certain way. It should never become an
- 3:09excuse for your behavior though. We have our own integrity. We have our own morals,
- 3:13values, and standards. And if you're using attachment as an
- 3:16excuse for the reason you're cheating or the reason why you're getting distant,
- 3:20it's a choice. You get to choose. No one's forcing you into
- 3:23it. Although it does talk about how you may lean it's not a
- 3:28requirement that you lean that way. So attachment theory begins with the work
- 3:31of a psychiatrist named John Bowlby, and it was expanded through his
- 3:35research with Mary Ainsworth and others. And it simply states
- 3:38that attachment describes how we respond to emotional
- 3:42closeness, how we respond to separation, security,
- 3:45and perceived rejection. And our earliest relationships can
- 3:49influence these patterns, but childhood is not the whole story.
- 3:52Adult relationships matter too. You may have been a certain way in
- 3:56your childhood, but then you've gone through multiple betrayals
- 3:59and your attachment style changes. Divorce can definitely affect attachment style
- 4:03and betrayal is a huge indicator
- 4:07of attachment style. When they get betrayed on, they may pull away the
- 4:11next time something gets serious. There's also abandonment that can also affect
- 4:15attachment. If you had a parent that abandoned you, if you had a partner that
- 4:18abandoned you, emotional abusive relationships can also affect
- 4:22attachment. So it's not something you're born with, that it gets affected by what
- 4:26happens to us while we grow. Years of being with a stable trustworthy
- 4:30person can influence us in the opposite way too. This is important
- 4:33because sometimes people think attachment isn't necessarily a permanent personality
- 4:38sentence. So sometimes you have an attachment style, but you are with a secure person,
- 4:42so you can become secure, okay? You can change.
- 4:46Adult attachment is usually discussed using 4 general styles,
- 4:50okay? So we have secure. This is what we all hope for. If you're
- 4:54with a secure person, they're loving, they're giving, they're responsible,
- 4:57responsive to you. They talk to you, they ask questions,
- 5:01they express their feelings. Then there's the anxious preoccupied and
- 5:05the anxious or the preoccupied is someone that is anxious
- 5:09whenever you don't text back right away, or maybe they're
- 5:13distant, but then they get anxious if you're not doing things on their term.
- 5:17And then there's the dismissive avoidant. Dismissive avoidants are tough
- 5:21because as you get closer, they start to pull away. As you love them more,
- 5:25they decide they don't want to be in the relationship and they kind of shut
- 5:28down. And then there's the fearful avoidant,
- 5:31which is also sometimes called the disorganized attachment because
- 5:35sometimes they're avoidant and sometimes they're fearful and a little bit anxious
- 5:39trying to get to you. So most of us aren't, we're not talking about walking
- 5:42around as a perfect textbook. You may recognize yourself strongly
- 5:46in one category while occasionally you're going to display characteristics
- 5:50of another. You may slip into another. So don't pigeonhole people just into one because
- 5:53they can be multiple different types of attachment. And your behavior can
- 5:57change depending on the relationship. So if you're a fearful
- 6:02avoidant and you're with a secure person, it may make you feel more secure.
- 6:05It may make you feel more comfortable. You might feel perfectly secure
- 6:08with a consistent partner and suddenly discover an anxious
- 6:12side of yourself when dating someone that's more unpredictable.
- 6:16So you may get anxious when you're with a dismissive avoidant
- 6:19and you don't know why. And the distinction matters because sometimes
- 6:23what feels like an attachment problem is actually a perfectly reasonable reaction to
- 6:27an unhealthy relationship. So sometimes we don't, we think, oh my gosh,
- 6:30am I anxious about this relationship? Or is there something bad going
- 6:34on that my body's telling me, or my instincts are telling me something bad has
- 6:37happened? So don't read too much into it as it being an attachment,
- 6:41because it may just be that the relationship is faltering. So let's start
- 6:45with the easy one, the secure attachment style. This is where securely attached people,
- 6:49they're generally comfortable with both intimacy and independence.
- 6:52They tend to be more of an independent type of personality. And they're very
- 6:56comfortable with their intimacy. They're very comfortable with who they are sexually.
- 6:59They may be very comfortable with who they are emotionally, and they can love
- 7:03you without consuming you. They give you love. It doesn't feel overwhelming.
- 7:07They give you love, but they also know when to pull back. They can disagree
- 7:11with you without threatening the relationship. So there's, it's not like a fight.
- 7:14It's a nice, comfortable conversation. They don't usually need constant
- 7:19reassurance that you still care about them, but they also aren't afraid
- 7:22to ask for reassurance when they need it. So they're very communicative.
- 7:26A secure person can say something bothered me, can we talk?
- 7:29And they'll have a discussion. So this is a great type
- 7:33of person to be in a relationship with because it's going to be a nice,
- 7:36honest partnership. They're going to tell you the truth. They're going to explain how they
- 7:39feel. They want to listen to your feelings. It's a relationship
- 7:44style that it's hard to find, but when you do, if you're, if you
- 7:48can handle the relationship, it leads to more communication and
- 7:51a deeper, more fulfilling relationship. And secure doesn't mean it's perfect.
- 7:55Secure people still get jealous. They get scared and angry sometimes.
- 7:59And they can even feel hurt by the things that you do. The difference is
- 8:03what they do next. They tend to communicate. They wanna repair things.
- 8:06They wanna regulate themselves and return to that secure connection.
- 8:10They usually, if something happens, they usually don't get hostile.
- 8:13They usually talk it out and they're more willing to express their feelings
- 8:17and emotions. And here's something people keep coming back to out of the
- 8:20chaotic relationship. Sometimes secure love can initially
- 8:24feel almost boring. So some people get bored
- 8:27with people that have a secure attachment because there's not an emotional
- 8:32emergency every Tuesday. Someone is not going crazy. They're not flipping out.
- 8:35They'll make you feel safe, but sometimes people, when they
- 8:39feel safe, they get bored and nobody's disappearing for 3 days. When you text them,
- 8:43they text you back. When you call them, they call you back or they answer.
- 8:47You don't have to analyze whether a period at the end of a text message
- 8:50meant something in this type of relationship. And if you do overanalyze it,
- 8:54then that says something more about you because they tend to be
- 8:57very comfortable in who they are and they're very secure. This is an enormous dopamine
- 9:01rush when the person finally gives you affection again,
- 9:05because when someone's giving you avoidant type of personality,
- 9:09they're holding back in the first place. And some people are addicted to the chaos
- 9:13and you don't get that from a secure person. Peace can be
- 9:17unfamiliar to people that are addicted to the constant chaos.
- 9:21And when it's unfamiliar, they get bored with it because it's very steady and
- 9:25your nervous system may have in the past learned to associate uncertainty
- 9:28with attraction, like you needed the chaos,
- 9:31especially if you were in a narcissistic relationship. If you
- 9:35were in a relationship where they gaslit you a lot, they cheated on
- 9:38you, those types of things that can create unease
- 9:42and you may still be addicted to it if you haven't properly healed.
- 9:46It doesn't mean that there's no chemistry. It means that the chemistry and chaos
- 9:49are not the same thing. And some people actually miss the chaos when they're
- 9:53dating a secure person. The next type, That's why it's really best
- 9:57if you have a secure person to be in a secure relationship with another secure
- 10:01person. The anxious attachment style, someone with an anxious attachment
- 10:04style generally wants intimacy but fears losing it. So they're
- 10:09going to be anxious and they can be highly sensitive to changes in the partner's
- 10:12behavior. So if their partner gives a short text or a
- 10:16delayed response, or maybe comes back with a different tune,
- 10:19are they giving you less affection or are you freaking out about them giving you
- 10:22less affection? This can be a change in just a routine. Maybe they didn't have
- 10:25the time. Sometimes another person might barely notice something
- 10:29that can trigger you in a much larger internal response.
- 10:32You might say, oops, something's gotta be wrong. They only gave me a one-word
- 10:36response. What happened? And that can lead to what psychologists sometimes
- 10:40call protest behaviors like repeated texting. Why aren't
- 10:44you responding? Hello? Did you hear me? Did you get me? Or they,
- 10:48they see that you liked one of their things and then you didn't respond back
- 10:50or make a comment and they get upset about it. This is an anxious attachment
- 10:54style. You're constantly seeking reassurance. You're constantly
- 10:57checking social media. You're testing the relationship
- 11:01in ways that it shouldn't really be tested. And you're often becoming jealous
- 11:05over just little stuff. And sometimes this is
- 11:08more of a chaotic attachment style. Sometimes they'll start an argument just
- 11:12to get reassurance that everything's okay. Sometimes they're trying harder
- 11:16when the other person withdraws. And the underlying fear is
- 11:19often, please don't leave me. They're very scared of losing
- 11:23someone and they tend to like be very clingy. Not want to
- 11:27leave. So when you go through a breakup with an anxious attachment style,
- 11:31they tend to hang on. And the tragedy is that some of the behaviors used
- 11:35to prevent abandonment can actually create more distance, because if you're so
- 11:39clingy and you're constantly clinging to the other person, this type of
- 11:43attachment style can push the other person away. The next is the dismissive
- 11:47avoidant attachment style. Now, if you were ever with a narcissist,
- 11:50a lot of people that were with narcissists come to an avoidant attachment
- 11:54style after a narcissist. The dismissive avoidant pattern tends to move in
- 11:58the opposite direction. Instead of fearing distance, this person may become
- 12:01uncomfortable with too much emotional dependence or intimacy. So if you're
- 12:05a secure attachment and you're giving a dismissive avoidant
- 12:09love, they may pull back. They may value their independence higher
- 12:12than the love. They may minimize their emotional needs
- 12:16and struggle with being vulnerable. If you're dealing
- 12:20with a dismissive avoidant, when you try to have a discussion with them, they don't
- 12:24want to talk. They kind of go into a shell and when conflict becomes emotionally
- 12:28intense, Their instincts may be to withdraw rather than move closer
- 12:32to you. And they may stop communicating. They may go quiet. They may ghost you.
- 12:36And sometimes they may need significant space and you may need to give
- 12:40it to them. They're very difficult because the more love you give,
- 12:43the more they wanna pull back. And so if you're talking about getting married,
- 12:47they may be the ones that are the runaway brides or the runaway husbands,
- 12:50because becoming emotionally unavailable, they intellectualize the
- 12:55feeling instead of experiencing them, or they convince themselves that don't
- 12:58really, they don't really need the relationship. And a lot of times these are
- 13:02the people that really like long-distance relationships because their underlying message
- 13:06is often something closer to, I can take care of myself. I don't need
- 13:10anyone. I don't need you and I'm good. And they have internalized
- 13:14this to the point that this— it's an important distinction is that
- 13:18their independence itself, it isn't— it's avoidance
- 13:21and having boundaries they think is not avoidance
- 13:26and wanting time alone isn't avoidance. So they've internalized it so much that
- 13:30they think that this is normalized. The issue is whether emotional
- 13:34closeness repeatedly causes someone to disconnect or suppress their feelings
- 13:38or abandon communication. And sometimes they push the other
- 13:41person to connect just so they can pull back.
- 13:45So you have to be careful with dismissive avoidance because it's a little tricky
- 13:48to get their personality style. And then there's the fearful avoidant
- 13:53attachment style. And this is sometimes considered more of a chaotic attachment
- 13:57style. Sometimes they're very loving. Sometimes they pull back. It is
- 14:00the most complicated pattern and it's called the fearful
- 14:04avoidant. Its attachment combines characters of both anxiety and avoidance.
- 14:08So the person wants intimacy. They may be very emotional. They may cry.
- 14:12They may, the intimacy may also scare them. So it may be that
- 14:16sometimes when you get very serious, it scares them. And it may
- 14:19be that they were cheated on in the past that they've had in their relationships.
- 14:23They haven't gone very well. And so they become desperately wanting to connect
- 14:27and then become uncomfortable when they actually get to connect. So you can
- 14:30get in a relationship that looks like, come here, I love you, don't leave me.
- 14:34This feels too close. Go away. Go away. Why did you leave? Come back.
- 14:38And that push-pull pattern, it can be very frustrating. It kind
- 14:41of goes from a hot-cold type of pattern and the push-pull pattern, it becomes
- 14:46extremely intense for both people. Someone with fearful avoidant tendencies
- 14:49may be incredibly loving during periods of a connection and surprisingly
- 14:53distanced during periods of fear. And you don't know why. And it's,
- 14:57it's It's aggravating. I was actually in a relationship with a fearful avoidant,
- 15:01or at least I think he was a fearful avoidant. And the inconsistency can create
- 15:05powerful emotional attachments in the other person. And they
- 15:08may be really strong and in love with you, but at the same time,
- 15:11try to pull away. This is why you see a lot of men
- 15:14or women that get online and they, they're still dating while they're dating you,
- 15:18or they're still checking out other women, or they're still— because
- 15:22they're a fearful avoidant. They wanna be close, but they also don't wanna give
- 15:26up their online addiction. It brings us to one
- 15:30of the biggest misconceptions. Intensity doesn't necessarily equal
- 15:34intimacy. Sometimes intensity is simply instability
- 15:38because a fearful avoidant is an instability type of attachment style.
- 15:42If you are jading one of them, it even can run its
- 15:46course with a secure attachment. It can be aggravating. And you see, because a
- 15:49lot of people, when you go through breakups, and divorces,
- 15:53and if you were betrayed, you really need to work it out with therapy.
- 15:57It's not just a, ooh, you went to therapy 2 or 3 times. It's a
- 16:01process that you need to go through. You need to journal, you need to work
- 16:03it out, you need to go to therapy. The thing is, is a lot of
- 16:05people won't go. Then they end up getting into good relationships and they ruin the
- 16:10good relationships because they didn't work out their issues and they're still broken.
- 16:13They've still got issues. They've got problems. So which attachment
- 16:17styles work best together? Not surprising, secure secure relationship, it tends
- 16:21to be the easiest combination. So if you're a secure person and
- 16:24you don't want to go crazy, you don't want to be in a relationship where
- 16:28there's a lot of drama, it's best to be in a secure-secure relationship.
- 16:31It's very even-keeled. It may be a little boring, but both people
- 16:36generally tolerate intimacy and independence and are more likely to communicate and
- 16:40repair conflict. It's a great place to be. And you could be with a
- 16:43person that has a secure relationship around communication,
- 16:47but they're a fearful avoidant when it comes to intimacy or when
- 16:52it comes to talking about forever plans, those types of things,
- 16:55or they're, they could also have anxiety around it.
- 16:58So secure people can also pair successfully with anxious
- 17:02or avoidant partners, particularly when the insecure partner
- 17:06recognizes their patterns and actively works on them. So if you're,
- 17:10if you're a secure attachment and you're with an insecure person that's got
- 17:14a fearful avoidant or an anxious partner, they need to
- 17:18be to work on their issues and not go outside of the relationship.
- 17:22They have to work on their issues with the person that has the secure attachment.
- 17:26There's got to be lots of communication and they may also need
- 17:30therapy at the same time if they're not willing to work it out with their
- 17:32partner. But this needs to be a huge disclaimer. A secure
- 17:36person is, is a partner, not a rehabilitation program.
- 17:40So if you're getting into a relationship with a secure partner and you know you
- 17:44have attachment issues, you know, you're insecure, you know, you have issues around certain things.
- 17:48It's not your partner's job to rehabilitate you. That's why
- 17:51I say you need therapy. When you've gone through things that have changed the way
- 17:56you attach to people, you need therapy. Nobody should be expected to absorb
- 18:00mistreatment because someone's childhood explains why they behave badly,
- 18:04or someone went through a lot of bad relationships and so now they take it
- 18:07out on, on the secure partner. Attachment explains patterns, but it doesn't
- 18:11excuse lying, manipulation, cruelty, infidelity,
- 18:15controlling behaviors, emotional abuse, or repeated boundary violations.
- 18:19That's on the person that's insecure. So when they do those things,
- 18:23it's up to the secure partner to put their foot down or
- 18:27to move on. Because when you're in a secure relationship, if someone's completely
- 18:31violating your boundaries or they're betraying you, it will lead
- 18:35to damage of the secure person and you don't want that. So remember,
- 18:39if you're going into a relationship and you haven't healed, Maybe you need to take
- 18:43the time to heal or you're going to keep blowing up your own relationships.
- 18:46The famous anxious avoidant trap is one of the most
- 18:50familiar difficult pairings in— it's an anxious plus an avoidant
- 18:54and ironically these 2 can feel enormously attracted to each other because
- 18:59the anxious partner is constantly seeking closeness. The avoidant partner
- 19:03experiences the closeness and pressure and withdraws, which makes the withdrawal
- 19:08even more exciting for the anxious partner and it frightens the anxious partner, so the
- 19:11anxious partner pushes harder, which makes the avoidant partner withdraw
- 19:14further. Now both people are accidentally triggering each other and
- 19:19the other person fears what the other person feels most. They just keep triggering each
- 19:23other. And then once the fear of abandonment kicks in, the other
- 19:26fears engulfed in loss of autonomy. So one chases,
- 19:30one runs, and then it switches. Then occasionally the avoidant person
- 19:34reconnects and suddenly everything feels amazing again
- 19:37for the anxious person. And that relief can be mistaken
- 19:41for extraordinary love. It can You see it when there's a lot of chaos
- 19:46in a relationship, but you see it when there's so much passion,
- 19:49but at the same time, it's so dramatic and chaotic,
- 19:53but psychology, sometimes they think something
- 19:57else may be happening. It's the unpredictability itself that can strengthen this
- 20:00attachment. They like the fact that there's always something new.
- 20:04It's chaos to both of them, but it's always new.
- 20:07So they don't get bored. And some people like the dopamine hit of
- 20:11not getting bored, not having the same old thing. And so hot and
- 20:15cold relationships can become very addictive.
- 20:18And think about a slot machine. If you pulled the lever and
- 20:21lost every single time, eventually you would stop playing. But if you won every single
- 20:25time, then you wouldn't be much in suspense. You'd just be expecting it.
- 20:29But unpredictability, reward, keep pulling the lever
- 20:32and every once in a while you win. Relationships can sometimes
- 20:35create a similar psychology, psychological pattern through intermittent
- 20:40reinforcement. So that's why the avoidant and the anxious Sometimes
- 20:45it's a really passionate relationship because they like the constant
- 20:49on and off. They might be bored with a secure relationship.
- 20:52Affection, withdrawal, affection, silence, amazing weekend,
- 20:57cold Monday. I've never felt this way about anyone. And then the distance and
- 21:00then the reconciliation and then the fight and the fights are a lot.
- 21:04And then your brain starts waiting for the next emotional reward. That doesn't
- 21:08mean every inconsistent relationship is intentionally manipulative,
- 21:11but sometimes 2 people are simply reenacting their own unresolved
- 21:16attachment patterns. Sometimes it starts in childhood, sometimes it was created
- 21:19from past relationships, but the effect can still be
- 21:23destructive. You can become deeply attached, not just to the person but to
- 21:27the cycle, and that helps explain one of the strangest experiences
- 21:31after ending an unhealthy relationship. You can know someone
- 21:34was wrong for you and still deeply miss them. Those two are not
- 21:38contradictory, and that's the thing is sometimes
- 21:42you don't get over the ones that are chaotic Because you still
- 21:45crave the chaos. So the most destructive attachment combination,
- 21:50there isn't a specific scientifically established ranking declaring
- 21:53one attachment pairing universally the worst, but certain dynamics tend
- 21:57to create more instability. Anxious plus strong avoidant
- 22:00can create chronic pursuit and withdraw. 2 highly avoidant
- 22:04people can coexist without developing much
- 22:07emotional intimacy because 2 highly anxious people
- 22:11can potentially create excessive reassurance seeking jealousy or
- 22:15emotional escalation. Fearful avoidant dynamics
- 22:18can become especially volatile when both partners
- 22:22repeatedly alternate between pursuit and withdrawal.
- 22:26So if you've got a fearful avoidant that's also gonna be anxious and
- 22:30avoidant, it's like a chaos. They're gonna constantly oscillate back
- 22:34and forth between anxious and avoidant. And the attachment style alone does
- 22:37not determine whether a friendship becomes destructive,
- 22:41the behavior does. So the most destructive relationship is the one where
- 22:45insecurity becomes an excuse for repeated harmful behavior
- 22:49and nobody takes responsibility for changing it and nobody puts
- 22:53down boundaries when it happens. And don't answer these questions based upon
- 22:57who you want to be. Think about who you actually are. So let's try to
- 23:00figure out what type of attachment style you have. I'm going to go slow so
- 23:04you think about it. All right. The first question is question 1: When someone
- 23:07I love becomes distant, what is my first instinct?
- 23:10All right. That's your first question. So A, B, or C: ask what
- 23:16happens and give them reasonable space. B, pursue them and try to resolve connection immediately.
- 23:20C, pull away and convince yourself that you
- 23:24don't care. And then D, panic about losing them, but also
- 23:27feel angry and want to push them away. Okay.
- 23:31Step 2, when someone becomes very emotionally
- 23:34close to me. Number A, I generally enjoy it while maintaining
- 23:38my independence. B, I want even more reassurance that
- 23:41the relationship is safe. C, I start feeling trapped.
- 23:45Or uncomfortable, or D, I want the closeness but simultaneously
- 23:49become suspicious or afraid of it. All right? These are good
- 23:53ones. And then question 3, we're almost done. Question 3,
- 23:56during conflict, you either A, I want to solve the problem
- 24:01without destroying the relationship, B, I need reassurance before I
- 24:04calm down, C, I need distance and may emotionally
- 24:08shut down, or D, I alternate between wanting reassurance
- 24:12and wanting to escape. Okay? If you had mostly
- 24:16secure attachments, you picked A. Okay?
- 24:19So A would've been you ask what happened and give them reasonable space.
- 24:23I generally enjoy it while maintaining my independence when somebody is emotionally
- 24:27close to me and I want to solve the problem without destroying the relationship.
- 24:30Okay? During conflict. If you were a B, you have an anxious tendency.
- 24:34That's I want even more reassurance that the relationship is safe.
- 24:38I pursue them. And try to restore connection immediately, and I
- 24:42need reassurance before I can calm down. And then C suggests a
- 24:46dismissive avoidant. Okay? So that's a person that when love
- 24:50becomes distant, you pull away too and convince yourself you don't care.
- 24:54Or when someone becomes emotional, you start feeling trapped or uncomfortable,
- 24:58or during conflict, you need distance and may emotionally shut down.
- 25:02Okay? That's, that's more of a dismissive avoidant. And D Now
- 25:06this one suggests fearful avoidance. So D is when someone I love
- 25:10becomes distant, what is my first instinct? Panic about
- 25:13losing them, but also feel angry and want to push them away.
- 25:17That's a dismiss— or that's a fearful avoidant. Question 2 was
- 25:20when someone becomes very emotional close to me, a fearful avoidant will
- 25:24want the closeness, but simultaneously become suspicious or
- 25:27afraid of it. And that happens a lot when people have been cheated on.
- 25:31And then The third question was, during conflict, I alternate
- 25:35between wanting reassurance and wanting to escape. So this is a fearful avoidant.
- 25:39This isn't a clinical diagnosis. It's simply a starting point for
- 25:43you to recognize patterns, patterns in your partner,
- 25:45patterns in yourself, and recognize, you know, recognition matters
- 25:49because you cannot change your relationship pattern you refuse to see.
- 25:53If you think you're secure, but you get anxious every single time they don't call
- 25:56you back right away, And you get anxious when they, you know,
- 25:59something happens or you're anxious. You may have an anxious security attachment
- 26:04style and not even realize it. Or maybe you're avoidant and you're constantly pulling
- 26:07away from the relationship. The closer you get to them or the more loving they
- 26:11get, you just pull back. So that could be a fearful avoidant or a,
- 26:15or it can even be a dismissive avoidant, but dating at 45,
- 26:1755, or 65, it's not the same as dating at 25. And we
- 26:21try to convince ourselves it will be because people come into dating with a lot
- 26:25of baggage. They've been married. They've had boyfriends and
- 26:29girlfriends. They may have gone through a divorce. They've had children. They've had
- 26:33financial independence. Some of them have gone bankrupt. There's career pressures.
- 26:36They have parents to deal with. They've had a lot of past betrayals from friends,
- 26:40from family, from ex-partners, and their former spouse
- 26:44may have betrayed them or they betrayed their former spouse,
- 26:47but there's grief associated with that. And a
- 26:51lot of times they'll have established routines. They don't want to, you know, commit to
- 26:55being in your lifestyle and it's difficult. It's not like
- 26:58dating when you're 25 because when you're 25, you mold more
- 27:02to each other. When you're in your 40s, 50s, and 60s, it's more difficult
- 27:07to find someone that fits in your family. And sometimes it could take decades
- 27:11of relationship conditioning to recondition them to fit.
- 27:14It means that midlife dating requires something beyond chemistry. It requires discernment.
- 27:18Instead of asking only, do I like this person? Start asking, who do I become
- 27:22around this person? Do I, do I feel calmer, more confident?
- 27:25Do they make me feel safe, more yourself? Or do you become suspicious,
- 27:29obsessive, insecure, hypervigilant, or emotionally exhausted?
- 27:33Because your emotional state inside a relationship is information. And I
- 27:37will say, it may start off where it feels
- 27:40like you're in a secure relationship, but within 3 to 6
- 27:44months, you know, something's changing and you've got to constantly revisit how
- 27:48you feel because how do you recover from a destructive
- 27:52attachment? Because let's say they start off secure, but after a while they get comfortable
- 27:56and you start to see that maybe they're a fearful avoidant, or maybe they're an
- 27:58anxious attachment style, the closer you get, they change
- 28:02a little bit. I think by the time somebody's 3 to 6 months in,
- 28:04you can see most of their personality traits. And what happens is
- 28:08if they're a fearful avoidant, you may tend to— even if you're secure,
- 28:12you may constantly be questioning what's going on and not understand. So that's
- 28:16why you really need to know your type of attachment style and where you're coming
- 28:19from. But first, you need to stop romanticizing the best moments while
- 28:23ignoring the complete relationship. And I have been guilty of this
- 28:27myself. Where you remember the great times, but then you remember, oh my gosh,
- 28:31they were checking out other chicks, or oh my gosh, they disrespected
- 28:35me when we went for dinner, or oh my gosh, this happened. And if things
- 28:39bother you, you need to raise them immediately. You should not be
- 28:42letting them go. You need to talk to the person when it happens.
- 28:46You shouldn't be waiting for it to boil over and build up.
- 28:49The sooner you discuss it, the better. I'm not saying make a big scene if
- 28:53you're out and something happens. But do talk to them because if
- 28:57you let things go, it's gonna create more conflict in the relationship later on.
- 29:01Because you're— and your brain, it loves the highlight reels of, oh, it was a
- 29:05beautiful relationship, but was it really? Were there problems?
- 29:08And the incredible vacation you went together on or the
- 29:12amazing sex night, but was sex amazing every night?
- 29:15You gotta ask yourself that. The night they told you they had never loved anyone
- 29:19like this before, that maybe they wanted to marry you,
- 29:22but relationships are not evaluated by their best 10%. They're evaluated
- 29:26by the past. And ask yourself, how did the relationship function consistently?
- 29:30Was it always loving or was there something that in the back of your head
- 29:33you thought was off? And maybe you need to look at that. Are you feeling
- 29:37the same level of comfort that you used to? Is there something that's
- 29:41bothering you? Because I will tell you, a lot of times, ladies, we have intuition
- 29:45about things and we're usually right. Ask yourself, how did this
- 29:49relationship function consistently? Not occasionally, but consistently. Did you separate
- 29:53missing someone from being compatible with them? Are you with them because you're
- 29:57comfortable or you're with them because you love them. Are you compatible? Do you get
- 30:00along? Do you finish each other's sentences? Do you like to snuggle together? Are you—
- 30:04do you like to kiss? Are you still as close as you were? Do you
- 30:06like the same types of things? Because we talked about love languages
- 30:10before and some people have personal touch as a love language while other people don't
- 30:13want to be touched. So you have to realize that can be an issue as
- 30:17well. You can miss someone, but you should never date them again.
- 30:20And you can love someone, but you should never marry them because if
- 30:23they've got attachment wounds that are not healed and
- 30:27are still traumatized from previous relationships or their childhood,
- 30:30they're going to bring it into your relationship and it's going to destroy the
- 30:35relationship, especially when a lot of people choose not to get help,
- 30:38to not heal themselves. And you can understand someone's wounds and still
- 30:42refuse to allow those wounds to injure you. Do not let them injure
- 30:46you because those distinctions are enormously important. Third, remove the reinforcement loop.
- 30:50I mean, if you ended a destructive relationship, but continue
- 30:54checking their social media, rereading messages, looking at their pictures or waiting for
- 30:57them to contact you, the relationship may be over physically while the attachment cycle
- 31:02is still messing with you psychologically. Even checking becomes
- 31:05tiny pull of a slot machine lover, or if you're looking for,
- 31:09you know, them to call or text you. If the relationship is done
- 31:13and both parties agree, you should move on. Because 4th, you need to identify
- 31:17your triggers. Ask yourself, what exactly am I craving? Am I craving the person?
- 31:21Am I craving validation or being chosen by them? The intensity,
- 31:24the sex, the companionship, or the future you imagined with them?
- 31:28Are you craving the feeling you experienced when they returned after withdrawing?
- 31:31Are you craving are you grieving that person or are you grieving the possibilities
- 31:36that that person had in them? Because I think a lot of times we
- 31:39are with people that we see their potential and we love
- 31:43their potential so much, and then they disappoint us.
- 31:46And because we can still see their potential,
- 31:49sometimes we override the disrespect. Sometimes we
- 31:53override other things that happen in the relationship, even though it doesn't
- 31:56feel comfortable, but know which one you're grieving. It will change
- 32:00how you heal. You might be grieving several of these things. Maybe you thought they
- 32:04were your soulmate, but then they showed you who they really were and you have
- 32:07to move on. 5th, learn to tolerate consistency. It shouldn't
- 32:11be boring. People that are secure people, they're consistent.
- 32:15And if you're in a secure relationship, count yourself lucky because if
- 32:19you have repeated experienced chaotic relationship, a healthy partner may not
- 32:23immediately produce the emotional fireworks you're accustomed to because give
- 32:28attraction enough time to distinguish if there is chemistry here and nervous system
- 32:32time to see if it's being activated on uncertainty, but you gotta want
- 32:36it. You gotta want a secure relationship. And if you're craving
- 32:40a chaotic relationship, you're gonna run right over that secure relationship.
- 32:44Each attachment style tries to move towards secure. If you're anxious,
- 32:48the goal isn't to stop wanting intimacy. The goal is learning that
- 32:52uncertainty doesn't always require immediate action
- 32:56and pause before you pursue. Do? Start to control yourself.
- 32:59If you're an anxious person and you have to text back 5
- 33:03times when they text you once, maybe text them once and wait.
- 33:07Learn to have patience. Learn emotional regulation of yourself.
- 33:11Communicate your needs directly instead of testing people. Don't send them a test
- 33:15and then say, well, you didn't respond back to me right away, and they don't
- 33:18know what you're talking about. Learn to control your emotions, not theirs,
- 33:22and choose consistent partners. Most importantly, stop trying to earn love
- 33:26from people who repeatedly demonstrate that they cannot provide the relationship you need.
- 33:30If you're an avoidant, the goal isn't to surrender your independence. It's learning
- 33:34that vulnerability doesn't eliminate independence and it's not scary
- 33:39and to get over the fear of emotional connection.
- 33:42Practice staying emotionally present during uncomfortable conversations.
- 33:45Stay in the moment and learn to communicate when you need space instead
- 33:49of disappearing. Learn to identify feelings before automatically suppressing
- 33:53them and stop confusing emotional detachment with strength.
- 33:57This is a big one for men. It's not, it's not strength
- 34:00to pull away and not communicate with your partner. And then
- 34:04if you're a fearful avoidant, you may need to work on both sides
- 34:08simultaneously. You need to recognize what triggers you when you're in pursuit and
- 34:12recognize what triggers you when you withdraw, because you're going to cause a lot of
- 34:16hot and cold for your partner and they're going to not understand what's going on.
- 34:19And it's the slow relationship, slow the relationship down. You don't
- 34:23have to speed it up. Because if it's consistent, if it's loving, if it's
- 34:27giving you what you need and your partner's getting what they need, you will have
- 34:30a good relationship. You just need to work on it. And they do really well
- 34:34with secure partners and they tend to love them deeply.
- 34:37And when significant trauma or longstanding patterns are involved,
- 34:40like therapy needs to be utilized because it's especially
- 34:44useful because insight alone doesn't always change deeply
- 34:48conditioned responses. If you're one of those people addicted
- 34:52to porn, if you're one of those people that can't stop flirting with everyone,
- 34:55that's a conditioned response. It's a habit. You may have done it for decades.
- 34:59You have to go to therapy to work that out. If you're secure, your job
- 35:02isn't to rescue everyone else. It's to maintain your standards
- 35:06and your boundaries, to not let other people walk all over you no matter how
- 35:10much you care or love for them. You need to communicate clearly when you
- 35:13have arguments. You need to tell them right away. When something bothers you.
- 35:17Again, don't make a scene. There's most people that are secure won't,
- 35:20they'll have a discussion in private, but you have to have empathy without
- 35:24abandoning your boundaries. And this is where a lot of empaths are because we,
- 35:28when we feel, we sometimes will let our boundaries down because we're
- 35:32trying too hard. We're trying to give empathy to the person
- 35:36and we'll let our boundaries down. And it's a very dangerous slope because once you
- 35:40let your boundary down once, if you're with an anxious or an avoidant,
- 35:44they're going to see it and they're going to know where to push your boundaries.
- 35:47You need to recognize when someone's attachment difficulties are becoming your emotional
- 35:51responsibility because they're not. They need to work out their issues. You need to support
- 35:56them, but they need to work out their own issues. And then the dating rule
- 35:59I want you to remember is there is one question I think
- 36:02that becomes incredibly valuable in midlife. And it says,
- 36:05am I evaluating this person's potential or am I evaluating
- 36:09their patterns? So are you staying with them because of the potential
- 36:13and ignoring their patterns? Or are you actually evaluating their patterns?
- 36:16Because potential has kept people in bad relationships for years.
- 36:20He could be an incredible partner if, if she would just do this,
- 36:23or once he works through that, or when she finally realizes this,
- 36:27or when she starts treating me better. No. Date patterns,
- 36:31not potential. Pay attention to consistency because consistency honestly
- 36:36is the best relationship to be in. Make sure the other partner is accountable when
- 36:39they mess up and can communicate. And they have to be emotionally available,
- 36:43and this is a big one, especially lately with all the social media media,
- 36:46make sure they have integrity, make sure they have morals and values that match
- 36:50your own. And it needs to be a match. If you're open to
- 36:54different types of relationship, that's fine, but it needs to match. Then you
- 36:57should keep your boundaries strong and repair any conflict as quickly
- 37:01as you can. Whether someone's actions repeatedly match their words is a good
- 37:05sign. If they say they're going to show up at 5 o'clock and they show
- 37:08up at 6 or 6:30, or if they say they're going to meet you for
- 37:11dinner and they're always That's actions not matching
- 37:14their words. And it's every once in a while I get it, but it shouldn't
- 37:18be a consistent pattern. And attachment theory can help you understand why someone
- 37:22behaves the way they do, but understand someone does
- 37:25not obligate you to stay with them just because you're in love with them if
- 37:29the attachment style is not a match and they're not willing to change.
- 37:32And here's the thing. The truth is you're not here to change anyone.
- 37:36People can change themselves, but they have to want to. And most people don't.
- 37:40By midlife, the goal shouldn't be to find someone who gives you
- 37:43the biggest emotional high. The goal is finding someone with whom you can build something
- 37:47real. We have in our 50s, 60s, 70s, you may
- 37:50only have 20 or 30 Christmases left, 20 or 30
- 37:54Thanksgivings if you're lucky. And so why are you wasting
- 37:57it with people that are dysregulating you? When you're older,
- 38:01you need to be more selective, not let your boundaries down and not
- 38:05focus on people's potential. And the goal is to have passion when
- 38:08it matters, attraction that matters. Sex is very important too,
- 38:12and then have some adventure and fun, but it needs to be with a secure
- 38:16attachment. And so especially if you're a secure attachment style person,
- 38:20otherwise you're gonna, it's gonna be challenging. So do reliably,
- 38:24but the other things is that this also matters: reliability,
- 38:28emotional safety, honesty, respect,
- 38:31integrity, communication, and peace.
- 38:34And the healthiest relationship isn't necessarily the relationship that makes your heart race because
- 38:38you're constantly afraid of losing the relationship. Sometimes the
- 38:42strongest relationship is the one where you finally realize, I don't have to chase love.
- 38:46I don't have to prove what I'm— that I'm worthy to stay
- 38:50for. I don't have to tell someone over and over again to stop
- 38:54treating me poorly, to stop disrespecting me. I don't
- 38:58have to rescue someone so they'll choose me. I don't have to confuse emotional
- 39:02chaos with passion because you can understand your attachment history without
- 39:07allowing it to dictate your future. You get to choose. And maybe this
- 39:11is one of the greatest advantages of finding love in midlife because
- 39:14you finally have enough experience to stop asking,
- 39:18do they want me? And start asking the far more important question, is this person
- 39:23actually good for me? Is this person willing to work with
- 39:26their issues and resolve things and become the person
- 39:30that they say they're gonna be and their actions match, because those are
- 39:34not always the same thing. I hope you find your person. I know it can
- 39:38be challenging, but you know what? It may just be, again, your sample
- 39:41size is too low. You're dating too few people. If you keep
- 39:45running into the similar attachment styles, maybe you need to look at some discerning questions
- 39:49to ask upfront and find out, because it does kind of suck getting 3 months
- 39:53or 6 months or 9 months into a relationship and then realizing they're not
- 39:57the right attachment style for you or they're dishonest or disloyal. So it's best
- 40:01to find out this quickly. And I think the more you date, the more experience
- 40:05you'll have. I wish you the best for a dating life and
- 40:09I wish you the best as you go through. It is a challenge, but I
- 40:12think you can be up to the challenge. This is Diva Mia. Stay strong,
- 40:16stay loving, always be about love. And I
- 40:20hope you have a wonderful time. Take care. Enjoy your
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