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Episode #3852 The New Phil Hendrie Show Radio Archive Hour · The World of Phil Hendrie

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  Speaker 1: Michael Phibig. Michael, yesterday reminded me of an hour we
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  Speaker 1: did with Dean Wheeler back in two thousand and two
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  Speaker 1: where he talking about women coping with their husband's cheating
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  Speaker 1: on them. And it's interesting, you'd be surprising. Here's the
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  Speaker 1: line came out of that show. You'd be surprising what
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  Speaker 1: a woman will forgive for a short stack of pancakes.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah.
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  Speaker 1: Well, anyway, listen, listen to Dean Wheeler. Here, doctor Dean Wheelers.
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  Speaker 1: He likes to be called on the world famous Phil
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  Speaker 1: Hendry Show.
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  Speaker 2: Here's Phil Henry.
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  Speaker 1: The book is called Healing Indiscretions. Dean, What is the
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  Speaker 1: book about Dean Wheelers with us?
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  Speaker 3: Hi? Phil. First of all, I'm very happy to be
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  Speaker 3: on your program.
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  Speaker 2: And I understand you're doing some training today.
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  Speaker 3: Yeah. As a matter of fact, I'm at Chadley Park
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  Speaker 3: getting kind of getting a little shape here for New
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  Speaker 3: York Marathon that'll be coming out.
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  Speaker 2: What is your book, Healing in Discretion amount?
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  Speaker 3: Really, there are a number of ways, Phil, to get
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  Speaker 3: the trust of a woman back if you have been
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  Speaker 3: unfaithful to her, and sometimes after the marriage of a
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  Speaker 3: man and woman, every woman will have to face the
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  Speaker 3: fact that her husband is going to stray. Recognizing that
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  Speaker 3: frees a woman so from the anxiety and of the
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  Speaker 3: willie or won't he too?
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  Speaker 2: He will well sooner or later.
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  Speaker 1: Every man is going to cheat on his wife or
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  Speaker 1: his girlfriend, and the first step is for a woman
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  Speaker 1: to recognize that.
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  Speaker 3: The first step is to recognize that, because you have
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  Speaker 3: to get ready for that moment when you want to
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  Speaker 3: heal your relationship and bring him back, and preparing yourself
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  Speaker 3: to heal indiscretion, which is the title of my book.
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  Speaker 3: Women are amazingly resilient, Phil, And once you tell them
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  Speaker 3: the truth about what you did and with who, you'd
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  Speaker 3: be surprised.
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  Speaker 1: I don't think I've ever heard of a book that
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  Speaker 1: prepares a wife for the inevitability of her husband cheating
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  Speaker 1: on her.
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  Speaker 2: But I do know it's just not about that.
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  Speaker 3: Phil, It's about getting that marriage back together again. And
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  Speaker 3: what we do in our workshops really helps us to
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  Speaker 3: achieve that.
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  Speaker 1: All right, You've had several workshops in the San Francisco
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  Speaker 1: Bay area on helping a woman forgive her husband after he's.
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  Speaker 2: Cheated on her. What give me some idea of what
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  Speaker 2: happens there?
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  Speaker 3: Sure, Phil, We've had some very successful workshops. And excuse me,
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  Speaker 3: I'm gonna.
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  Speaker 2: Get some water here, go ahead, we're talking here with
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  Speaker 2: doctor Dean Wheeler. Yes, Phil, and what are you a
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  Speaker 2: doctor in?
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  Speaker 3: Well, you know something, Phil, I'm a doctor of life
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  Speaker 3: more than anything else. I'm just a doctor of life,
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  Speaker 3: all right.
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  Speaker 2: So you have the workshops and then what well, every.
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  Speaker 3: Weekend up until Thanksgiving, Phil, women are coming from all
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  Speaker 3: over to attend our two day workshop on what to
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  Speaker 3: do once he inevitably strays and cheats on you. The goal, Phil,
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  Speaker 3: is to accept him and all of his foibles. You
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  Speaker 3: want to feel okay about yourself, and then you want
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  Speaker 3: to take step three, which is to feel okay about
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  Speaker 3: the two of you as well together.
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  Speaker 2: All right. A man cheating on a woman can destroy trust,
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  Speaker 2: can't it.
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  Speaker 3: No, it doesn't have to, Phil, And we've been we've
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  Speaker 3: been proving it. Every weekend. We have three actors that
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  Speaker 3: we hire from one of the local acting lab, one
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  Speaker 3: of the local acting labs in the Bay area. We
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  Speaker 3: have three actors come in who role play and act
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  Speaker 3: out the scenarios that these couples will face. And I'll
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  Speaker 3: give you an example. Last weekend we had an African
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  Speaker 3: American female, a white male, and a white female, all
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  Speaker 3: three of them actors from the Bay Area Acting lab.
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  Speaker 3: The white female played the wife, and we tell the
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  Speaker 3: ladies to key in on the actors playing the wife.
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  Speaker 3: That's very important.
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  Speaker 2: Okay.
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  Speaker 3: Now, is a husband is caught having sex with a
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  Speaker 3: cleaning woman and the wife comes home unexpectedly. What do
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  Speaker 3: you do as a woman? Now, this is pivotal. What
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  Speaker 3: does she do? Film?
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  Speaker 2: So the black actors plays the cleaning woman. I take it.
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  Speaker 3: Yeah, well, we want to make it as realistic as possible.
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  Speaker 1: All right, So she comes home and she sees her
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  Speaker 1: husband having sex with this woman.
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  Speaker 3: What should she do or what does she do? Let
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  Speaker 3: me ask you that.
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  Speaker 2: Well, I imagine she gets angry, and she has a right to.
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  Speaker 3: Feel anger, but I don't think she should express it.
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  Speaker 3: What you do is you take your anger back out
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  Speaker 3: of the room and that and there are some breathing
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  Speaker 3: exercises that we give the ladies. And let the woman
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  Speaker 3: get dressed, and let the maid take the cleaning cart
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  Speaker 3: out of the room, and then sit down with your
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  Speaker 3: husband and tell him you are hurt. And this is
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  Speaker 3: so pivotal, Phil, all.
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  Speaker 2: Right, let me recap up to this point. If I can't, well,
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  Speaker 2: there's a.
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  Speaker 3: Couple of more steps that I need to get through.
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  Speaker 1: All right, I need to give our phone number out
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  Speaker 1: and tell everybody we're talking to doctor Dean Wheeler. He
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  Speaker 1: is conducting workshops and has a book called Healing Indiscretion,
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  Speaker 1: How a woman can forgive her husband for cheating on her.
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  Speaker 2: Now, you said you're a doctor of what.
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  Speaker 3: I'm a doctor of life, Phil, I'm a doctor of love.
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  Speaker 3: I'm a doctor of experience.
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  Speaker 2: But what seriously, what is your degree in I.
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  Speaker 3: Got a degree in life, I really do, Phil, So
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  Speaker 3: you're not a real No, I consider myself to be
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  Speaker 3: a real doctor. Yes, I do, and I do want
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  Speaker 3: to get through these other steps if I could so.
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  Speaker 1: Up to this point, a woman sees her husband having
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  Speaker 1: sex with another woman. She needs to do some breathing exercises,
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  Speaker 1: swallow the anger and then.
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  Speaker 3: What Then tell him that he must apologize. We tell
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  Speaker 3: the ladies to watch this and watch what he does.
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  Speaker 3: You have to lead him. Tell him he must apologize,
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  Speaker 3: and tell him you are hurt, and tell him you
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  Speaker 3: want so thing. You want something, a weekend away, some
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  Speaker 3: new shoes, a bouquet of flowers.
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  Speaker 2: So she's kind of letting him off the hook rather easily,
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  Speaker 2: isn't she.
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  Speaker 3: Well, the women like simple things. It's not letting him
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  Speaker 3: off the hook. But women like simple things, and they're
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  Speaker 3: extremely resilient. And all the women wants phil when the
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  Speaker 3: end of the day arrives, all a woman really wants
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  Speaker 3: is an honest man, and she can deal with a lot.
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  Speaker 2: Well, I don't know. I think a lot of women
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  Speaker 2: will throw these guys out the door.
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  Speaker 3: Well, you know something, before nine to eleven, I would
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  Speaker 3: have believed that.
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  Speaker 2: You think things have changed.
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  Speaker 3: Most women will forgive a man a lot, because imagine
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  Speaker 3: if it had been him at the other end of
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  Speaker 3: that sniperscope. Imagine if it had been him in the
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  Speaker 3: World Trade Center. Imagine if it had been him opening
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  Speaker 3: up an envelope of amtrax. So before nine to eleven,
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  Speaker 3: I think women would have thrown their men out. But
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  Speaker 3: now women are more open to forgiving a man, and
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  Speaker 3: we learn it and that every day in our workshops.
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  Speaker 3: Bill and Tammy Hertzog and her husband, Bill, as a
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  Speaker 3: matter of fact, had an encounter, and this was a
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  Speaker 3: serious encounter where he had been unfaithful and he brought
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  Speaker 3: venereal disease into their home, and she was able to
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  Speaker 3: forgive him by saying, ay, you have hurt me, b
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  Speaker 3: I am angry at you. And remember step number three.
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  Speaker 3: I want something. I want a trip out of town.
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  Speaker 3: I want flowers, I want something, and.
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  Speaker 2: She won't throw them out post nine to eleven.
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  Speaker 3: I don't think so. After nine to eleven, most women
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  Speaker 3: will forgive. And you could almost say that that's a
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  Speaker 3: lucky break for us as men. Nothing good came from
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  Speaker 3: nine to eleven. Don't get me wrong, but if anything
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  Speaker 3: good did come from it, a lot of us can
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  Speaker 3: probably get away with a little bit more in our marriage.
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  Speaker 2: Isn't well, you're not counseling that, are you.
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  Speaker 3: No, no, no, no no. I would never say that,
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  Speaker 3: but if you were going to, you can probably get
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  Speaker 3: a laved with. All women really want to do is
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  Speaker 3: to let the man know she's hurt. Once she lets
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  Speaker 3: a man knows she's hurt, she's fine.
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  Speaker 2: Dean Wheeler is with us here, and.
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  Speaker 3: I wanted to mention that I do prefer to be
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  Speaker 3: addressed as doctor Dean Wheeler.
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  Speaker 2: But you said to me, you're not really it.
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  Speaker 3: Well, I am a doctor and it doesn't matter what
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  Speaker 3: difference does it make to you?
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  Speaker 2: All right?
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  Speaker 1: Doctor Dean Wheeler is with us. The book is called
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  Speaker 1: Healing and Discretions. How do you get a woman to
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  Speaker 1: forgive you after you've cheated on her?
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  Speaker 2: Ladies? How do you.
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  Speaker 1: Forgive your man? You tell him that you have been
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  Speaker 1: hurt and that you want something in return. And the
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  Speaker 1: workshop that you have here where you hire three actors
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  Speaker 1: to demonstrate a situation, a black actress, a white actor,
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  Speaker 1: and a white female actor, and he's having sex with
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  Speaker 1: the cleaning woman, yes, played by the black actress.
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  Speaker 3: Well, I suppose if you want, the cleaning woman can
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  Speaker 3: be white. But we're trying to make it as realist
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  Speaker 3: because we possibly can.
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  Speaker 1: And then when the women see this, and they see
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  Speaker 1: this actress forgiving her husband for having sex with the
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  Speaker 1: cleaning woman, then what are the women in your workshop say?
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  Speaker 3: Well, we've had a variety of responses, but ninety five
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  Speaker 3: percent are positive from women who say I need to
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  Speaker 3: be more forgiving. I'll tell you right now. If Tammy
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  Speaker 3: hurt Zug can forgive her husband Bill for giving her
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  Speaker 3: of a nereal disease, anybody can do anything, and love
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  Speaker 3: wins out, Love conquers and that's what we really are
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  Speaker 3: talking about in our healing indiscretion workshops. Phil.
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  Speaker 2: All right, Dean, I'm sorry, doctor Dean Wheeler.
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  Speaker 3: Doctor Dean will thank you. Phil.
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  Speaker 2: Doctor Dean Wheeler is with us here and let's go
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  Speaker 2: to a phone call. This is Pam.
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  Speaker 4: Hi.
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  Speaker 2: You're on the Phil Henry Show with doctor Dean Wheeler.
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  Speaker 5: Hi. How are you fine?
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  Speaker 2: Thanks?
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  Speaker 5: Okay, I have a comment. Hi, I have a comment
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  Speaker 5: in reference to what you're speaking about.
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  Speaker 3: Deceiv Uh huh okay.
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  Speaker 5: First of all, nine to one one did nothing for
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  Speaker 5: women as far as I'm concerned, to make us more
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  Speaker 5: forgiving for infidelity.
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  Speaker 3: Are you? Are you clear on that? Pim are clear?
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  Speaker 3: You're clear on those feelings, Crystal.
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  Speaker 5: Absolutely, I've had a different experience to go ahead, Okay,
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  Speaker 5: so be it. But you're not the woman, So I
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  Speaker 5: don't know the experience. Why you could have experienced.
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  Speaker 3: Well, I work with women every weekend in our workshops,
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  Speaker 3: and they have.
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  Speaker 2: Told me, Phil, is this as a result of them talking.
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  Speaker 3: Yes, they have said since nine to eleven they're willing
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  Speaker 3: to forgive their husbands a lot because they think, jeez,
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  Speaker 3: just like the lady who saw her husband having sex
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  Speaker 3: with the cleaning woman she was able to forgive by
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  Speaker 3: imagining him at the other end of a sniper rifle.
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  Speaker 5: The message that you are conveying is nothing, but it's
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  Speaker 5: okay for a man to have to be have infidelity
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  Speaker 5: in the relationship and and to have someone walk in,
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  Speaker 5: do breathing exercises, walk back out, and then ask for something.
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  Speaker 5: Make sure you ask for something. I would ask for
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  Speaker 5: him to remove himself from my house.
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  Speaker 3: Well, Pim, I'm sorry you're getting that message. It's really
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  Speaker 3: not allowing men to have indiscretion. It's helping women forgive
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  Speaker 3: men once they have the indiscretion.
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  Speaker 5: Here's going to happen.
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  Speaker 3: Women forgive men. Uh Now, I think it happens.
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  Speaker 5: I think that this will give You'll have a lot
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  Speaker 5: of women having to learn how to forgive themselves because
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  Speaker 5: this could be continual behavior. And you're setting something up
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  Speaker 5: for women to have to start forgiving themselves because of
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  Speaker 5: accepting something that isn't okay for the relationship unless they
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  Speaker 5: went into the relationship with that agreement.
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  Speaker 2: Can I ask the question in the brochures, allow him
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  Speaker 2: to finish what does that mean?
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  Speaker 3: Allow him to finish his his uh, his mistake? Yes?
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  Speaker 3: And then because that is closure. And stay with me
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  Speaker 3: on this, Pam. That's closure.
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  Speaker 2: So wait a minute.
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  Speaker 1: A woman walks into a room, her husband's having sex
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  Speaker 1: with the woman. Leave until they're done.
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  Speaker 3: Yes, that's a littlely correct. And I can tell you, Pam,
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  Speaker 3: you should come to our workshop. We have couples that
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  Speaker 3: are absolutely ecstatic.
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  Speaker 5: That's that's great. And there's also swingers that are absolutely
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  Speaker 5: ecstatic in the world, I guess. And if that's the
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  Speaker 5: life that you too, So.
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  Speaker 2: Liz, is that a swinging thing, doctor, No, these are
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  Speaker 2: committed couples.
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  Speaker 3: They are very committed to each other. But he's strays
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  Speaker 3: he has sex with. I can tell you some sad story,
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  Speaker 3: he said. There was a man who had sex with
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  Speaker 3: a young lady he met. She was working as a
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  Speaker 3: waitress and a bowling alley, and the wife walked in
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  Speaker 3: on him.
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  Speaker 5: You know, you can have a lot of stories. And
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  Speaker 5: I guess that's really I don't think that you should
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  Speaker 5: be also conveying it yourself as a doctor, because you
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  Speaker 5: are not one. But anyway, I appreciate the conversation. I've
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  Speaker 5: listened to the show a couple of times, and this
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  Speaker 5: one is almost as bad as the one with the
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  Speaker 5: all timer book.
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  Speaker 3: Well, ma'am, I am a doctor. I'm a doctor of love.
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  Speaker 3: I'm a doctor of life. I'm a doctor of joy.
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  Speaker 3: And I'm sorry you feel that way.
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  Speaker 5: You have a good evening, okay, and thank you for
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  Speaker 5: taking much.
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  Speaker 3: The black Mates isn't the only role playing our actors
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  Speaker 3: perform this weekend. We're displaying filatio with a waitress from Denny's.
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  Speaker 3: And what this does?
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  Speaker 1: Okay, hold on for a minute, yeah, hold on. This
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  Speaker 1: is a very controversial book. Maybe you read about it
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  Speaker 1: a Healing and Discretion, which is a way it teaches
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  Speaker 1: women how to forgive their husbands when they catch them
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  Speaker 1: having sex with another woman. Because, according to Dean and
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  Speaker 1: he insists on being called a doctor, although I've not
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  Speaker 1: heard any credentials. According to him, women can save themselves
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  Speaker 1: years of physical health problems such as hysterectomies and mastectomies
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  Speaker 1: if they can forgive their husbands their indiscretions. Very controversial stuff,
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  Speaker 1: very controversial stuff. Should you forgive your husband for cheating
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  Speaker 1: on you if it saves you the possibility of disease?
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  Speaker 2: If the lady shows back? Get what culture were you jogging?
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  Speaker 3: It was just to check my pulse? Here now arresting
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  Speaker 3: Pulse is.
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  Speaker 1: Well, we're back on the air here and we're talking
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  Speaker 1: with and I know you insist on being called doctor.
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  Speaker 3: Well, I don't think you need to point out Phil, Well.
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  Speaker 2: You're not. You don't have any degree that I know of, sir,
• 16:15
  Speaker 2: but I will call you doctor Wheeler. And I know
• 16:17
  Speaker 2: you're training for the New York Marathon. His book is
• 16:20
  Speaker 2: called Healing Indiscretion, How you can forgive your husband for
• 16:25
  Speaker 2: cheating on you.
• 16:26
  Speaker 3: And the section in the book you were bring to
• 16:28
  Speaker 3: Phil is for men if you've had an affair, and
• 16:32
  Speaker 3: if you have, if you've betrayed your wife and you
• 16:36
  Speaker 3: want her forgiveness, the really the best thing to do
• 16:40
  Speaker 3: when you come home, Know that she could be very angry.
• 16:44
  Speaker 3: So talk about nine to eleven, Talk about how you
• 16:49
  Speaker 3: might have been in that building, how you could have died.
• 16:51
  Speaker 3: This is going to soften her. Tell her talk to
• 16:55
  Speaker 3: her about the sniper incident in Washington and how it
• 16:58
  Speaker 3: could have been you. This will soften her before you, you.
• 17:03
  Speaker 2: Know, give her there before you drop a bomb on her.
• 17:05
  Speaker 3: Well, we don't like to, but before, yes, before you
• 17:07
  Speaker 3: drop the news.
• 17:10
  Speaker 2: What if she walks in on you like you had
• 17:12
  Speaker 2: this this thing.
• 17:13
  Speaker 3: Well, that's an incident where you should say to her,
• 17:16
  Speaker 3: aren't you happy I'm alive? Tell her how fortunate she
• 17:19
  Speaker 3: is that you're alive.
• 17:20
  Speaker 1: But wait a minute, she's in bed. You're the husband's
• 17:23
  Speaker 1: in bed with the cleaning woman. The cleaning woman.
• 17:27
  Speaker 3: Yeah, I understand, Phil.
• 17:30
  Speaker 1: And as soon as she watched and she said, look,
• 17:32
  Speaker 1: and I'm alive. I wasn't in nine to eleven.
• 17:34
  Speaker 3: Well, not as clumsy as that, but something that will
• 17:37
  Speaker 3: remind her of how valuable his life is, even if
• 17:40
  Speaker 3: he's in bed with you know, a cleaning woman, you
• 17:44
  Speaker 3: know a Mexican maids from Super eight or whatever.
• 17:48
  Speaker 2: All right, let me talk to Trina. Hi, Trina, you're
• 17:51
  Speaker 2: on the Phil Henry Show with doctor Dean Wheeler.
• 17:55
  Speaker 6: Hi, mister Wheeler, I.
• 17:56
  Speaker 3: Just had t Trina, Trey, I preferred doctor.
• 18:01
  Speaker 4: Doctor.
• 18:02
  Speaker 6: Well, when you've gone to school for eight years, you've
• 18:04
  Speaker 6: earned your doctorate, then we can talk about doctor Wheeler.
• 18:06
  Speaker 3: But I, well, I do prefer doctor.
• 18:10
  Speaker 2: She's going to call you mister, if you don't mind,
• 18:11
  Speaker 2: go ahead, Trina.
• 18:13
  Speaker 7: Okay, mister Wheeler.
• 18:14
  Speaker 6: I think it's absolute lunacy that you would take advantage
• 18:17
  Speaker 6: of women after nine to eleven thinking they're as desperate
• 18:21
  Speaker 6: as to serve men and forgive them for anything that
• 18:24
  Speaker 6: they may do.
• 18:26
  Speaker 3: Well, we've proven it with our workshops, though, Trina, you're anger. Notwithstanding,
• 18:31
  Speaker 3: we've proven that other women can forgive, and I think
• 18:34
  Speaker 3: you could too.
• 18:35
  Speaker 6: Workshops, what workshops might do you?
• 18:37
  Speaker 8: See?
• 18:38
  Speaker 3: These are the workshops we're having in the Bay Area
• 18:40
  Speaker 3: in San Francisco. We'll be having them over the next
• 18:43
  Speaker 3: several weeks up until Thanksgiving. Couples come in, we act out,
• 18:48
  Speaker 3: We do what is called psychodrama if you've heard of it,
• 18:52
  Speaker 3: acting out, and we show a woman how to deal
• 18:54
  Speaker 3: with a man who is they've caught in bed with
• 18:57
  Speaker 3: another woman.
• 18:58
  Speaker 6: Right, and so, like I said that, you're taking advantage
• 19:01
  Speaker 6: of what happened.
• 19:01
  Speaker 4: On nine to eleven.
• 19:03
  Speaker 3: Well, no, I'm saying after your what I'm saying is
• 19:06
  Speaker 3: after nine to eleven, women are more likely to forgive.
• 19:09
  Speaker 2: Well, that's the thing that I you know, have a
• 19:11
  Speaker 2: problem with.
• 19:12
  Speaker 3: Well, Trina is hostile and that's all right.
• 19:15
  Speaker 6: Now you're hoping that they'll be more forgiving, Is that
• 19:17
  Speaker 6: what you're saying. It's not a proven fact, you're hoping.
• 19:21
  Speaker 3: Well, the odds are the odds are that they would
• 19:23
  Speaker 3: be all right? Really, and Trina, who who dumped you?
• 19:28
  Speaker 2: I mean, what does that mean?
• 19:31
  Speaker 3: Well, she wants to call me mister, and she's up
• 19:33
  Speaker 3: in my face.
• 19:35
  Speaker 4: I'll tell you what you know.
• 19:37
  Speaker 3: You should loosen your love lips. Don't be so stupid.
• 19:44
  Speaker 4: Stupid.
• 19:45
  Speaker 6: Let me tell you. If you or my husband or
• 19:47
  Speaker 6: my boyfriend and you tried to cheat on me and
• 19:49
  Speaker 6: think that because of what happened on nine to eleven,
• 19:51
  Speaker 6: I'm going to buckle down to you.
• 19:52
  Speaker 4: You get another thing.
• 19:53
  Speaker 3: Comment, Well, the odds that I would be your husband
• 19:55
  Speaker 3: or boyfriend are extreme in the in the at best.
• 20:00
  Speaker 6: Well, look, obviously the women that you're dealing with are
• 20:03
  Speaker 6: that ignorant to become some blogs.
• 20:05
  Speaker 3: And there you go talking down about other people.
• 20:07
  Speaker 4: Okay, to whatever you say.
• 20:10
  Speaker 6: Some gai shas, what are you kidding me?
• 20:12
  Speaker 3: When you walk in on your husband with your child's
• 20:14
  Speaker 3: math tutor, simply say, oh my god, honey, you didn't
• 20:17
  Speaker 3: die today. Can we talk about what you're doing later?
• 20:20
  Speaker 2: Looks not cleve or not.
• 20:22
  Speaker 6: People are going to die when it's their time to die.
• 20:25
  Speaker 6: I don't think they deserve any special treatment because of
• 20:27
  Speaker 6: what's happened on nine ELEVEE.
• 20:28
  Speaker 3: Okay, well thanks, whatever that means, all right.
• 20:33
  Speaker 2: Dean Wheeler was with us and he is talking at
• 20:36
  Speaker 2: Doctor Dean Wheeler is with us and he's talking about
• 20:38
  Speaker 2: his program that helps women forgive their husbands after they
• 20:42
  Speaker 2: cheat on them.
• 20:43
  Speaker 1: The world famous Still Henry Show Extreme Radio. The name
• 20:50
  Speaker 1: of the book is Healing Indiscretions. It was written by
• 20:53
  Speaker 1: Dean Wheeler.
• 20:55
  Speaker 2: He is a therapist from the San Francisco Bay Area
• 21:00
  Speaker 2: and it's basically how women can forgive their husbands even
• 21:03
  Speaker 2: after their husbands have been completely unfaithful to them. Let me,
• 21:08
  Speaker 2: let me out take a sip of water. Excuse me, folks,
• 21:13
  Speaker 2: Let's see Dean. Are you with us there?
• 21:15
  Speaker 3: I'm right here, Phil.
• 21:17
  Speaker 2: How did before we go to another call? How did
• 21:18
  Speaker 2: this philosophy develop?
• 21:20
  Speaker 3: Well, Phil, it's an interesting story. I was a young student.
• 21:24
  Speaker 3: I married my wife, Katherine, and we moved to the
• 21:28
  Speaker 3: San Francisco Bay Area. I was at a conference in Toronto, Canada,
• 21:32
  Speaker 3: and I decided that I wanted to drive across the country.
• 21:36
  Speaker 3: It was part of a matriculation that I was doing
• 21:40
  Speaker 3: for a class I was in. I stopped in Georgia
• 21:43
  Speaker 3: and I met a young lady who was a waitress there.
• 21:47
  Speaker 3: In a restaurant and her name was Jody, and I
• 21:53
  Speaker 3: became very enamored of her, and I flew Jody to
• 21:56
  Speaker 3: San Francisco, and I did have an affair with her.
• 22:00
  Speaker 3: In one instance, my wife did catch us and she
• 22:03
  Speaker 3: told me she was angry, and I asked her about
• 22:08
  Speaker 3: her anger, and she said she really wasn't angry so
• 22:10
  Speaker 3: much that I was cheating, but that Jody was a
• 22:13
  Speaker 3: much larger woman than her. Jody was very I guess
• 22:15
  Speaker 3: what you would call a big figure or fat if
• 22:18
  Speaker 3: you want, and that's what hurt my wife. My wife
• 22:20
  Speaker 3: has a great figure. But at that moment, when I
• 22:24
  Speaker 3: had an affair with Jody, it opened me up to
• 22:28
  Speaker 3: a world I had never known before. I was very
• 22:31
  Speaker 3: much enamored of this kind of fat woman, and I
• 22:37
  Speaker 3: explained it to my wife and I bought her a
• 22:40
  Speaker 3: Mercedes as five hundred and I apologized.
• 22:46
  Speaker 2: So, you said, it opened you up in the world
• 22:48
  Speaker 2: of fat women or something.
• 22:49
  Speaker 3: Well, I realized that I could take great sexual pleasure
• 22:53
  Speaker 3: out of women that most men would find repulsive.
• 23:00
  Speaker 2: And your wife understood that.
• 23:01
  Speaker 3: And my wife, Catherine understood that. Yes, after I apologized
• 23:04
  Speaker 3: to her.
• 23:05
  Speaker 2: All right, let me talk here. To Collette. You're on
• 23:08
  Speaker 2: the Phil Henry Show, Collette with doctor Dean Wheeler.
• 23:11
  Speaker 7: Yes, Doctor Wheeler's the reason I'm calling is just basically,
• 23:16
  Speaker 7: if I walked in on my husband and he was
• 23:20
  Speaker 7: in bed with another woman, they would both be out
• 23:23
  Speaker 7: of the house.
• 23:24
  Speaker 4: I would not be a puppet for anyone. And that's
• 23:28
  Speaker 4: what a woman that would put up with something like
• 23:30
  Speaker 4: that would be a puppet that her husband could pull
• 23:33
  Speaker 4: her strings and buy her. Nobody would be able to
• 23:37
  Speaker 4: buy me.
• 23:38
  Speaker 3: Well, I think you're wrong there, Collette. When my wife
• 23:40
  Speaker 3: discovered that I had this deep attraction for larger women,
• 23:47
  Speaker 3: she knew that it would open up our relationship if
• 23:51
  Speaker 3: she let me indulge.
• 23:53
  Speaker 4: That's a real fine excuse for men to use. I
• 23:57
  Speaker 4: think it's pretty poor, and I think it it's sad
• 24:02
  Speaker 4: of what you're promoting for men to do for the
• 24:06
  Speaker 4: sacrament of married. Want to be ashamed of yourself?
• 24:10
  Speaker 3: This is how women forgive. I'm not promoting.
• 24:13
  Speaker 4: Women shouldn't forgive. Any self respecting woman would not forgive.
• 24:18
  Speaker 3: You.
• 24:18
  Speaker 4: Let a man get by with it once. He's going
• 24:22
  Speaker 4: to do it again and again and again. All he
• 24:24
  Speaker 4: has to do is buy you some roses. Buy you
• 24:27
  Speaker 4: a Mercedes. No, I can't be bought well, Colette.
• 24:31
  Speaker 3: You can't have a really good conversation with a man
• 24:33
  Speaker 3: while he is suffering. You would would you at least
• 24:37
  Speaker 3: allow him to finish, allow.
• 24:40
  Speaker 4: Him to finish. You have got to be out of
• 24:44
  Speaker 4: your mind. They would both be out of the house
• 24:47
  Speaker 4: and my husband would not buy me. I can't be
• 24:50
  Speaker 4: bought well. I have more self respect for myself. And
• 24:54
  Speaker 4: it's sad that you're promoting this for the sacrament of marriage.
• 24:57
  Speaker 4: You should be ashamed of yourself.
• 25:00
  Speaker 3: If your husband later on was killed in the world
• 25:03
  Speaker 3: trade and to you that, then you'd feel guilty.
• 25:07
  Speaker 4: No, I wouldn't.
• 25:08
  Speaker 3: You wouldn't mind.
• 25:09
  Speaker 4: Nine to eleven as an excuse for a man to
• 25:12
  Speaker 4: say I could have been killed on nine to eleven.
• 25:15
  Speaker 4: I would say, you're damn lucky. I don't have a
• 25:18
  Speaker 4: gun right now because I would kill both of you.
• 25:21
  Speaker 3: But you know you wouldn't do that, Collecte, because you
• 25:22
  Speaker 3: sound like a sensible woman who's got some justifiably placed anger.
• 25:27
  Speaker 3: But again, consider my situation. I met a waitress at
• 25:30
  Speaker 3: a waffle house in Georgia. I had sex with her.
• 25:34
  Speaker 3: It was enjoyable, and my wife understood my predilection for
• 25:38
  Speaker 3: Are you a large woman?
• 25:39
  Speaker 4: No, I'm not all right.
• 25:41
  Speaker 3: Do you understand what I'm saying?
• 25:42
  Speaker 4: Yes I do.
• 25:43
  Speaker 3: I can't hear her phil.
• 25:45
  Speaker 2: Phone drift away?
• 25:46
  Speaker 4: Where we go? Yeah?
• 25:48
  Speaker 3: That better? Okay, So my wife said, all right, if
• 25:50
  Speaker 3: you've got a thing for fat women, go for it.
• 25:55
  Speaker 4: I would never do that, Like I said, the sacrament
• 25:58
  Speaker 4: of marriage means to my and if I walked in
• 26:02
  Speaker 4: and I caught my husband with a woman, they would
• 26:05
  Speaker 4: both be gone, and my husband would not be buying
• 26:07
  Speaker 4: me anything aside from possibly paying for the house in
• 26:11
  Speaker 4: the divorce settlement.
• 26:12
  Speaker 3: What about an FID Mercedes. I can't be.
• 26:17
  Speaker 4: No, I wouldn't. I can't be bought. I have more
• 26:20
  Speaker 4: self respect than that. I wouldn't care. I cannot be bought.
• 26:26
  Speaker 4: And I feel sorry for any women that would allow
• 26:30
  Speaker 4: themselves to be bought. They have no self respect for themselves,
• 26:34
  Speaker 4: They have no self esteem.
• 26:36
  Speaker 3: What about braces?
• 26:38
  Speaker 4: Braces for what?
• 26:41
  Speaker 3: Obviously for your teeth?
• 26:43
  Speaker 4: My teeth is nothing wrong.
• 26:46
  Speaker 3: I'm just talking about. I'm trying to be kind a
• 26:49
  Speaker 3: physical enhancement.
• 26:51
  Speaker 4: I am a very I am a very attractive woman.
• 26:56
  Speaker 4: I do not need anything, and any man that would
• 26:58
  Speaker 4: do that would be out I cannot be bought. What
• 27:01
  Speaker 4: more self respect?
• 27:02
  Speaker 3: What about a breast enhancement or these kinds of cosmetic
• 27:05
  Speaker 3: things that you might enjoy.
• 27:07
  Speaker 4: No, I am perfect the way I am, and thank
• 27:10
  Speaker 4: god I'm that way because no man would walk on me.
• 27:13
  Speaker 4: And basically, that's what you're promoting, is for a man
• 27:16
  Speaker 4: to walk on a woman and use nine to eleven
• 27:19
  Speaker 4: as as a sympathy too out there?
• 27:21
  Speaker 3: Do you fail to see how it walks on a
• 27:23
  Speaker 3: woman to.
• 27:24
  Speaker 8: Buy her a new and another larger another woman?
• 27:27
  Speaker 4: And I think you're a boob job? Honey?
• 27:29
  Speaker 2: Yeah, I mean well, how is that? Mister Wheeler?
• 27:33
  Speaker 3: It is doctor? Please.
• 27:35
  Speaker 2: You don't have a doctor degree.
• 27:37
  Speaker 3: I'm a doctor. I'm a doctor of life. All right. Listen,
• 27:42
  Speaker 3: I paid over thirty thousand dollars for a pair of
• 27:45
  Speaker 3: breast for my wife and she's ecstatic.
• 27:50
  Speaker 4: Boy, I'll tell you she must be a very shallow person.
• 27:52
  Speaker 4: I don't mean to put down your wife and don't to.
• 27:56
  Speaker 2: Apologize, all right, listen, Thanks Collin for your call. Let's
• 27:59
  Speaker 2: go over to a gemman here, Howard, go ahead. You're
• 28:01
  Speaker 2: on the Phil Henry Show.
• 28:02
  Speaker 3: Howard, Yeah, doctor Weaver, it's Wheeler.
• 28:05
  Speaker 8: Shirt, doctor Wheeler.
• 28:06
  Speaker 3: Yes, sir, are.
• 28:07
  Speaker 8: You you must be insane? I would man if a man,
• 28:14
  Speaker 8: I went to my wife and said, honey, look guess why.
• 28:17
  Speaker 8: Just be glad that I'm alive today. You know, and
• 28:21
  Speaker 8: I had sex with another woman. Just be glad that
• 28:23
  Speaker 8: I'm alive. Thank God that I'm here. I wouldn't live
• 28:26
  Speaker 8: very much longer.
• 28:28
  Speaker 3: No, sir, I think you misunderstanding. What I'm trying to
• 28:31
  Speaker 3: say is this. Don't use it as an excuse. But
• 28:34
  Speaker 3: if you find yourself in that situation, you there are
• 28:37
  Speaker 3: ways to find a woman who is more forgiving.
• 28:40
  Speaker 2: Well are you saying to hide it from a woman
• 28:42
  Speaker 2: or what?
• 28:43
  Speaker 4: Yeah?
• 28:43
  Speaker 8: I mean well you said there's ways to find a
• 28:45
  Speaker 8: woman that that's more forgiving. So you're saying, if my
• 28:49
  Speaker 8: wife won't let me cheat on her for any reason,
• 28:51
  Speaker 8: unless I fire a diamond, or unless I fire a
• 28:54
  Speaker 8: new Mercedes or something like that, then I should leave
• 28:56
  Speaker 8: her and find a woman that is stupid enough to
• 28:58
  Speaker 8: let me cheat on her.
• 28:59
  Speaker 3: Are you?
• 28:59
  Speaker 8: Are you what? You're insane? And you're not a doctor.
• 29:03
  Speaker 3: I prefer to be called doctor. Please, Well, you don't.
• 29:08
  Speaker 8: Right exactly, You're you're you're not.
• 29:10
  Speaker 3: Even a mister, sir, if you're if you for whatever reason,
• 29:15
  Speaker 3: Let's say you were in the army. I was in
• 29:18
  Speaker 3: the army, all right. Were you married at the.
• 29:20
  Speaker 8: Time, Yeah, we were married at the part.
• 29:22
  Speaker 3: Okay, what if you came home with venereal disease? How
• 29:25
  Speaker 3: are you gonna explain that a way?
• 29:27
  Speaker 8: There would be no there would be no explaining it.
• 29:31
  Speaker 3: I'm telling you, Howard, I asked your question, Howard, would
• 29:35
  Speaker 3: I am telling you that.
• 29:36
  Speaker 1: There is a way, And so you're actually saying, this
• 29:39
  Speaker 1: guy comes home with a pantload of venereal disease, he's
• 29:44
  Speaker 1: gonna his wife.
• 29:45
  Speaker 3: You guys can laugh, but there is a way to
• 29:47
  Speaker 3: get forgiveness out of your wife. I know women who
• 29:50
  Speaker 3: will who will forgive cheating? Is you know what you have?
• 29:54
  Speaker 8: Those are to probably pay those women. Do you get
• 29:57
  Speaker 8: paid for this this dys therapy you're offering or whatever
• 30:00
  Speaker 8: it is.
• 30:00
  Speaker 3: Of course they do. But it works. It works.
• 30:02
  Speaker 8: More power to you, all right, It's wonderful. You live
• 30:05
  Speaker 8: in a capitalist country. Will certainly warrant peep it works. Okay,
• 30:09
  Speaker 8: I know whomen Listen to you, guys, I mean, but
• 30:12
  Speaker 8: you know what, you should get down on your knees
• 30:14
  Speaker 8: every day. Literally, and you should think, Guyard, that there
• 30:18
  Speaker 8: are hid abundance of insane women.
• 30:20
  Speaker 3: Okay, if there are women out there that will forgive
• 30:22
  Speaker 3: cheating for a short stack.
• 30:25
  Speaker 8: Oh that's what I want, Phil, could that's what I want.
• 30:29
  Speaker 8: We're lining up for women that'll that'll, that'll forget cheating
• 30:32
  Speaker 8: for a short stack of pancakes. Here, you know what, wonderful? Wonderful?
• 30:37
  Speaker 3: Where are they?
• 30:37
  Speaker 2: Absolutely ridiculous, ridiculous you're sitting here.
• 30:42
  Speaker 8: Talking about you. Why I wouldn't medical sex with that women? Well,
• 30:45
  Speaker 8: I'm sure that those women probably wouldn't protect you for
• 30:47
  Speaker 8: having sex or with somebody for a short stack of pancakes. Man,
• 30:51
  Speaker 8: come on, give yourself a break, give everybody else a break.
• 30:54
  Speaker 8: Phil how Howard. This guy off here as an idiot,
• 30:57
  Speaker 8: He's a completely Howard.
• 30:58
  Speaker 3: I'd like to say this, okay, that if you come
• 31:01
  Speaker 3: to our workshop, If you come to our workshop and
• 31:04
  Speaker 3: your wife you'll find out.
• 31:05
  Speaker 1: Why would anybody want to go to a workshop? I
• 31:08
  Speaker 1: got an idea, how about just having a good marriage.
• 31:10
  Speaker 2: Be faithful to your wife, and they will never need
• 31:12
  Speaker 2: your freaking workshop.
• 31:13
  Speaker 8: Hey there you go, Yeah there, Well I would I
• 31:16
  Speaker 8: would not I'd like to go to his work. But
• 31:18
  Speaker 8: I'm gonna tell you, I don't believe that you could
• 31:20
  Speaker 8: find a bigger collection of mo rhymes in one room
• 31:23
  Speaker 8: than you could this guy's do in this guy's workshop.
• 31:27
  Speaker 8: I mean, you're not putting you down.
• 31:28
  Speaker 3: I'm not putting you. No, No, you're not putting me down. No, No,
• 31:30
  Speaker 3: not at all.
• 31:31
  Speaker 8: No, No, I'm just saying, yeah, rhymes and idiots. You know.
• 31:35
  Speaker 2: I know.
• 31:35
  Speaker 3: I'm trying to repair marriages.
• 31:37
  Speaker 2: I'm trying to repair I agree with the other lady.
• 31:39
  Speaker 2: You're encouraging, your encouraging cheating and.
• 31:42
  Speaker 8: What your wife would kill me. My wife would absolutely
• 31:45
  Speaker 8: do A boy.
• 31:46
  Speaker 3: Would let go of your fear. Let go of your fear.
• 31:49
  Speaker 3: I'm telling you.
• 31:50
  Speaker 1: You're telling guys, I got a sure fire away for
• 31:54
  Speaker 1: you to cheat on your wife and still have your
• 31:56
  Speaker 1: wife stay home.
• 31:57
  Speaker 2: I kind of resent the way you put No, that's
• 31:59
  Speaker 2: exactly the cheap carnie way that it is.
• 32:02
  Speaker 8: That's exactly what it is.
• 32:03
  Speaker 3: That's what is wrong. What is wrong with knowing a
• 32:07
  Speaker 3: woman who is so loving that she will forgive your
• 32:10
  Speaker 3: cheating on her if you bought her breakfast? Did I hop?
• 32:17
  Speaker 3: All right? Both of you guys are insane?
• 32:21
  Speaker 2: Yes, sir.
• 32:23
  Speaker 8: Louisiana, I gotta get off the road here a white station.
• 32:25
  Speaker 8: Just God, bless you for having us. Moron on, I
• 32:28
  Speaker 8: appreciate your patience.
• 32:29
  Speaker 2: Thank you very much.
• 32:31
  Speaker 3: I'm a moron. Huh.
• 32:33
  Speaker 2: I know women that'll forgive you for a short stock. Well,
• 32:36
  Speaker 2: I do, thank you very And where are you.
• 32:41
  Speaker 3: I'm in a park right now. I'm at eighty beats
• 32:43
  Speaker 3: a minute.
• 32:43
  Speaker 2: I don't give a crap about your freaking training for
• 32:46
  Speaker 2: the New York Marathon either.
• 32:51
  Speaker 4: Well.
• 32:51
  Speaker 1: One famous Phil Henry S was executive produced by your
• 32:53
  Speaker 1: buddy here Phil Henry for see Emprey Incorporated. All rights
• 32:56
  Speaker 1: preserved on iHeart podcasts. Good old Dean, He's still a mess.