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Handsome Tech Star Staggers Begging for Help, STABBED DEAD: JUSTICE · Crime Stories with Nancy Grace

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Speaker 1: Crime Stories with Nancy Grace, the jury hands down a
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Speaker 1: verdict in the brutal death of multi millionaire founder of
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Speaker 1: cash app Bob Lee. I mean'sy Grace, this is Crime Stories.
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Speaker 1: Thank you for being with us. Multimillionaire cash app founder
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Speaker 1: Bob Lee brutally murdered, but in the last days a
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Speaker 1: jury hands down a verdict. A highly educated tech consultant
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Speaker 1: tells the jury he was just defending himself against Bob
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Speaker 1: Lee after they clashed over a quote bad joke. The
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Speaker 1: tech consultant, Nim's Mamane, stated his altercation with cash app
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Speaker 1: founder Bob Lee started after he joked Mamione might want
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Speaker 1: to spend his final night in San Francisco with family
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Speaker 1: rather than trying to find a strip club.
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Speaker 2: Momane claims that it was that.
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Speaker 1: Point Lee Bob Lee pulled out a knife and attacked him,
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Speaker 1: forcing the tech consultant to defend himself. It was Bob Lee,
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Speaker 1: with all that bristling intelligence, creativity and money, was found
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Speaker 1: fatally stabbed in downtown San Francisco. He was later rushed
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Speaker 1: to the hospital he died. Mamani pled not guilty, so
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Speaker 1: he goes to trial and now a jury hands down
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Speaker 1: the verdict. They didn't buy the story that cash app
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Speaker 1: founder Bob Lee was murdered over a bad joke. They
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Speaker 1: find the tech consultant mo'mony guilty, but what led to
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Speaker 1: that guilty verdict? I want you to take a listen
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Speaker 1: to our friends at.
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Speaker 2: NBC please say.
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Speaker 3: Lee was a hacked not far from the Bay Bridge
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Speaker 3: at two thirty five am Tuesday. The area, thought to
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Speaker 3: be a safe part of the city, is dotted with
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Speaker 3: surveillance cameras. Before collapsing on a sidewalk, Lee screamed for
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Speaker 3: help on his phone, saying someone stabbed me. According to
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Speaker 3: surveillance footage and records reviewed by the San Francisco Standard.
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Speaker 4: These images, obtained by The Daily Mail, chouf tech exec
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Speaker 4: Bobb Lee stumbling along Main Street in San Francisco's Rincon
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Speaker 4: Hill neighborhood. You see him through the front glass doors
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Speaker 4: of the port Side apartment building. He attempts to use
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Speaker 4: the call box, then falls to the ground. Sources say
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Speaker 4: he had two stab wounds in his upper left chest.
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Speaker 4: He was on the ground for about ten seconds before
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Speaker 4: standing up. We now know he was walking towards a
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Speaker 4: police car minutes later. Lee died at the scene.
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Speaker 5: We have some leades to follow up on. I can't
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Speaker 5: disclose what those are now as early on an investigation,
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Speaker 5: but I'm hopeful and I'm very confident.
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Speaker 2: Can you imagine what this guy is going through.
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Speaker 1: We know he has two gorgeous little girls he's raising.
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Speaker 1: He has had an incredible rise and meteoric rise in
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Speaker 1: the tech industry, as I said.
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Speaker 2: A visionary.
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Speaker 1: And in those moments after he stabbed multiple times, he's
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Speaker 1: staggering up and down the streets trying.
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Speaker 2: To get help, but there is no help.
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Speaker 1: As you heard, this is in the exclusive runcon area
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Speaker 1: there the city by the Bay, and I've thought about
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Speaker 1: this over and over because my memories.
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Speaker 2: Of this area are all good.
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Speaker 1: We've got an all star panel to make sense of
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Speaker 1: what we know right now. But first I want to
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Speaker 1: go to a chief investigative reporter for dailymail dot Com,
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Speaker 1: Jan Smith, joining us, Jen, thank you for being with us.
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Speaker 1: This has brought so much higher in scrutiny on the
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Speaker 1: city that someone could be stabbed literally in playing view
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Speaker 1: on Main Street.
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Speaker 2: What happened?
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Speaker 6: Yeah, well, I mean everything you just said is right, Nancy,
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Speaker 6: and it has brought so much added negative attention to
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Speaker 6: San Francisco and to this particular neighborhood in San Francisco.
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Speaker 2: Tell me about the neighborhood, because I don't know.
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Speaker 6: That well Mission you know, Main Street near Mission Street,
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Speaker 6: downtown exclusive. We're talking luxury apartment buildings, nice coffee shops, restaurants, stars.
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Speaker 6: San Francisco we all know, over the last few years
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Speaker 6: has received a lot of bad press about some of
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Speaker 6: the not so night parts of the time. This isn't
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Speaker 6: really one of them.
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Speaker 1: Okay, now wait a minute, Jen, guys with me, and
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Speaker 1: a lot of this case that we have learned is
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Speaker 1: because of exclusive footage and photos obtained by dailymail dot com.
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Speaker 6: Tell me, well, I think it's no secret that many
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Speaker 6: major cities New York included San Francisco another one that
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Speaker 6: has struggled with you know, issues like homelessness and right
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Speaker 6: you know, rising crime, especially since COVID, a lot of
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Speaker 6: things have changed. So this attack, a brutal attack in
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Speaker 6: an area that was, like you described, beautiful, nice part
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Speaker 6: of town. It really brought added fear to the community.
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Speaker 6: You know, how could something like this happen seemingly at
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Speaker 6: random to an innocent.
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Speaker 2: Father of two.
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Speaker 1: You know what's interesting about what Jensmith or Daily Mail
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Speaker 1: is saying, at first, I want to go to Jarrett Fiorentino,
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Speaker 1: homicide prosecutor out of Pennsylvania, Jared, thank you so much
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Speaker 1: for being with us. My quasure, it's I can't stay
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Speaker 1: at why it's disturbing so many people that this tech
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Speaker 1: uru is stabbed at on Main Street. But I think
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Speaker 1: what's shocking everyone so much is it's out of the norm.
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Speaker 1: For instance, we say, oh, that's a high crime area.
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Speaker 1: My husband told me the other day he was going
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Speaker 1: to have a business lunch on I'll think of it. It's
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Speaker 1: a really funny Krog KRG Krog Street.
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Speaker 2: I'm like, don't cancel that. Don't go there, And you go,
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Speaker 2: what is wrong with you?
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Speaker 7: Said?
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Speaker 1: Prosecuted so many aggravated assaults and homicized rapes on Crog
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Speaker 1: Street and the Krog Street area of Atlanta.
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Speaker 2: Don't go there. That's crazy talk. Who set that up?
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Speaker 1: Well, since the time I prosecuted, it's been all gentrified.
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Speaker 1: There's all these cool coffee shops and restaurants. The point
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Speaker 1: is when we hear that a murder occurred in a
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Speaker 1: low or no crime area and everybody shocked, But crime
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Speaker 1: is everywhere. Jarrett Fiarantino that's what people don't understand, including
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Speaker 1: this fancy area, high flute area of the city.
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Speaker 2: By the Bay.
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Speaker 8: It is everywhere. There's a tolerance, nancy for regions where
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Speaker 8: we call high crime areas. But it is always shocking
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Speaker 8: when you see something so violent and it's stabbing. Nonetheless,
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Speaker 8: this isn't a shooting. This is a very very close act,
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Speaker 8: a very violent act, multiple stabbings. It's intentional, and the
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Speaker 8: fear is that anyone in that community can now become
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Speaker 8: a victim. And that's why it's so shocking.
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Speaker 1: Okay, I liked everything you just said. I cannot even
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Speaker 1: argue with him. Okay, that part I don't like. But
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Speaker 1: what you just said to doctor John Delatory joining US
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Speaker 1: licensed psychologist and mediator. He specializes in forensics psychology. You
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Speaker 1: can find him on TikTok at John de doctor John.
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Speaker 1: What he just said about stabbing, and we talked about
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Speaker 1: this in depth with the slang of those four beautiful
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Speaker 1: vibrant University Idaho students.
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Speaker 2: Stabbing and I learned this as a prosecutor.
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Speaker 1: It's a whole different animal than shooting somebody at a
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Speaker 1: distance of even three feet five feet, ten feet twenty
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Speaker 1: feet sniper shot job. By shooting, that is impersonal, you're
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Speaker 1: not up close and personal with your victim.
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Speaker 2: Stabbing is a whole different psychopathy.
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Speaker 8: Yeah, absolutely is.
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Speaker 9: It's one of those things where it's more intimate. Right,
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Speaker 9: You get up close with someone and you can feel
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Speaker 9: the life draining out of them as you continue to
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Speaker 9: stab them.
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Speaker 8: So this is.
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Speaker 9: Someone who has a very personal vendetta against the victim
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Speaker 9: that's willing to walk up to someone and.
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Speaker 10: Do this kind of actor.
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Speaker 9: Because it's also physically exhausting, so you've got to be
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Speaker 9: determined to do this act.
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Speaker 1: And there were multiple stab wounds here, either two or three.
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Speaker 1: I mean, there was no way this guy was going
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Speaker 1: to walk away alive. IRV Brandt joining me, Senior Inspector
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Speaker 1: US Marshall Service International Investigations, author of Solo Shot, Curse
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Speaker 1: of the Bluestone and Flying Solo Top of the World,
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Speaker 1: both on Amazon. Flying Solo Top of the World awesome.
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Speaker 1: I haven't read Bluestone yet, but I'm going to IRV Brant.
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Speaker 1: What Jarrett Farentino just said that we quote tolerate crime
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Speaker 1: in high crime areas. I don't tolerate crime anywhere, but
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Speaker 1: we're not numb.
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Speaker 2: But we're not what.
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Speaker 1: Shocked when we hear about a murder, an agassault, a
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Speaker 1: rape in a high crime area, because we are conditioned.
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Speaker 2: To believe that. But in a let me just say.
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Speaker 1: Fancy, influential, prestigious area like this, we are shot because
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Speaker 1: it never happens.
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Speaker 11: That's correct, Nancy, And just like the prosecutor should. And
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Speaker 11: I live in Las Vegas, and if this sort of
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Speaker 11: thing happens on the Las Vegas Strip, people are stunned.
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Speaker 11: It's all over the news. If it happened on the
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Speaker 11: west end of Las Vegas, where people buy drugs and
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Speaker 11: things like that, not so much. The news coverage wouldn't
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Speaker 11: be so much.
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Speaker 1: Okay, what about this you're talking about Vegas or brand
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Speaker 1: That's correct.
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Speaker 2: It's one thing.
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Speaker 1: If somebody dies in the area where there's hookers and drugs,
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Speaker 1: that life is no more or less important than if
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Speaker 1: somebody stabbed in the lobby of the very expensive Wind hotel.
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Speaker 11: That's correct.
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Speaker 1: But we're more shocked because it is so rare in
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Speaker 1: an area like the Wind lobby. Is that what you're saying.
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Speaker 11: That's exactly what I'm saying. It's a wow factor if
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Speaker 11: someone get stabbed while they're watching the Fountain show in
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Speaker 11: front of.
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Speaker 2: The Blagio in Ocean's eleven. Yeah, yes, that's psychology.
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Speaker 1: I'm glad you said that because I believe doctor John
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Speaker 1: Delatory and everybody jump in.
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Speaker 2: Do I have to tell you?
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Speaker 1: This is not high tea at Windsor Castle with King Charles.
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Speaker 1: All right, jump in, let's brainstorm on this. It could
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Speaker 1: have been me factor. I think that's why when people
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Speaker 1: I noticed a lot during the Eliza Fletcher case. The
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Speaker 1: young teacher out a Memphis, she had two or three children,
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Speaker 1: a little preschool aged children and younger. He went jogging
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Speaker 1: at four am and she was brutally attacked, raped and
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Speaker 1: murdered by a repeat offender that had an outstanding rape
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Speaker 1: He was out wandering free. Everyone said, oh, why was
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Speaker 1: she out jogging at four am? Like it's her fault?
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Speaker 1: It was dark? Why was she out? Well, why should
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Speaker 1: she be? And I think people say that not because
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Speaker 1: they're ill spirited or mean hearted.
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Speaker 2: I think that they.
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Speaker 1: Like to think, well, that's never going to happen to me,
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Speaker 1: and they continue to feel safe.
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Speaker 2: Doctor Delatory.
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Speaker 1: It makes them feel they can go through life feeling
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Speaker 1: safe with blinders on to the fact.
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Speaker 2: That they're not safe. Just like this guy Bobbly was
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Speaker 2: not safe.
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Speaker 9: No, he wasn't there, because it's the threat that you
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Speaker 9: are never taken into account. So in some ways it's
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Speaker 9: a threat that comes from someone in your inner circle,
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Speaker 9: or sometimes the threat comes from a complete stranger because
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Speaker 9: you're not prepared for something like that. There's a comfort
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Speaker 9: nature when it comes to routine, and so the more
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Speaker 9: often we're doing routine, the less likely we are to
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Speaker 9: pay attention to our surroundings and to recognize when things
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Speaker 9: might happen to us that are nefarious in nature. And
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Speaker 9: so the more often we feel comfortable, the more we
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Speaker 9: turn our blinders on, and that's what we can find
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Speaker 9: ourselves very vulnerable.
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Speaker 1: Well, put, guys, let's move this forward. Take a listen
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Speaker 1: to Chief Bill Scott.
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Speaker 2: San Francisco p D.
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Speaker 5: At approximately two thirty am, San Francisco Police officers from
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Speaker 5: Southern Station responded to the three hundred block of Main
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Speaker 5: Street for report of a stabbing. Officers arrived on scene
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Speaker 5: and located the victim, later identified as forty three year
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Speaker 5: old Robert Lee, suffering from an apparent stab wound. Officers
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Speaker 5: rendered aid and Simon medis to the scene.
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Speaker 11: Mister Lee was.
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Speaker 5: Transported to Zuckerberg San Francisco General Hospital with life threatening injuries.
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Speaker 1: Crime Stories with Nancy Grace talk about dirty laundry coming out.
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Speaker 1: The glamorous sister of the now convicted killer Kazir Mamione
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Speaker 1: in court the stabber Cazir Mamione, the sister of the
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Speaker 1: tech guru accused of murdering cash out Bob Lee, takes
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Speaker 1: a stand and in court claims that Bob Lee, the
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Speaker 1: tech mogul, introduced her to a drug dealer who sex
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Speaker 1: assaulted her just before the killing. Now, wait a minute,
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Speaker 1: what does that have to do with anything. She showed
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Speaker 1: up in court dressed to the nines with a pastel
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Speaker 1: blue silk shirt, stark white pants, her signature big black sunglasses,
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Speaker 1: and yet another glam appearance, But her detailed testimony about
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Speaker 1: Bob Lee and a drug dealer left the courtroom in shock. Remember,
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Speaker 1: the glam's sister, Kazar, is the wife of a well
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Speaker 1: known California plastic surgeon. Anne was long believed to be
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Speaker 1: having a sex affair with Bob Lee and attending sex swingers.
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Speaker 2: Parties with Lee. Where was a husband during all of this?
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Speaker 2: You know what rich people do. I don't know, but those.
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Speaker 1: Are the claims a sex affair with the cash app
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Speaker 1: founder now dead Bob Lee, and going quite often to sexwingers'.
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Speaker 2: Parties with him.
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Speaker 1: That and so much more dirty laundry came out in
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Speaker 1: the courtroom. But that said, all I care about is
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Speaker 1: the stabbing death. What do we know, doctor Pandy, thank
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Speaker 1: you for taking time to be with us. I'm just
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Speaker 1: imagining what Bob Lee. I mean, did he think about
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Speaker 1: Dagne and Scout as two little girls in his last moments?
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Speaker 2: I know he had time to think. You know, so
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Speaker 2: many times we get a shooting wound.
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Speaker 1: Gsw to the head or to the heart or the chest,
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Speaker 1: and we know the person either dies immediately instantly or
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Speaker 1: within you know, ten to fifteen seconds, the heart pumps
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Speaker 1: out all.
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Speaker 2: The blood in their body, they bleed out.
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Speaker 1: In this case, Bob Lee had time to sow for
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Speaker 1: he knew he was dying, and there's video of him
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Speaker 1: staggering up and down the streets asking for help. What
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Speaker 1: would he have physically and mentally experienced in those moments,
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Speaker 1: doctor Handy, So.
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Speaker 12: Yes, you're right, he did have some time to think.
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Speaker 12: If he was probably stabbed to the left chest or
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Speaker 12: in that area, He's probably got instruct in the lungs.
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Speaker 12: As he's beating internally slowly, he's probably not thinking that
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Speaker 12: he'll die, but he's not thinking that what's happening. But
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Speaker 12: he's trying to save himself and trying to see that.
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Speaker 12: You know what's going.
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Speaker 1: On when your lungs begin to fill up with blood,
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Speaker 1: Doctor Manisha Handy, What does the victim experience this? Suffocate
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Speaker 1: internally so a moment by moment, it's harder and harder,
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Speaker 1: more difficult for you to breathe, and this guy continues
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Speaker 1: walking walking Jens Smith, Chief investigative reporter dealingmail dot com.
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Speaker 1: The video doesn't show him walking up to trying to
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Speaker 1: get to a building, and the wall like a lobby
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Speaker 1: of a hotel or an apartment, is glass, and he's
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Speaker 1: going up there looking inside the glass, and he's staggering.
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Speaker 2: And bleeding in his lungs are filling it with blood.
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Speaker 1: It is starting to come up in his mouth, in
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Speaker 1: his nose when he takes a breath. Don't am I
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Speaker 1: remembering correctly that there was a glass wall he staggered
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Speaker 1: up to there.
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Speaker 6: Was, Yeah, he was staggering towards what we now know
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Speaker 6: was an apartment building.
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Speaker 8: Lobby.
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Speaker 6: We don't know whether or not he knew where he
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Speaker 6: was going, if he was looking for anyone in particular.
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Speaker 6: It seems to me, and I think to everyone else
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Speaker 6: who watches a video, that this was a man who
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Speaker 6: was just utterly desperate for help. He would have taken
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Speaker 6: it from anyone. And it's pretty disturbing footage. He is
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Speaker 6: really struggling to walk, he's holding onto his he is
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Speaker 6: it looks like he's quite disorientated, which anyone would be
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Speaker 6: given the circumstances. On yeah, I'm on in the final moments.
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Speaker 8: Of his life.
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Speaker 2: I'm just imagining that.
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Speaker 1: And of course, as you know Jarrett Fiorentino, high profile prosecutor,
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Speaker 1: the state is never allowed to put the jars in
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Speaker 1: the shoes of the victim. But you can say things
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Speaker 1: like one can only imagine what Lee was going through
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Speaker 1: as he staggered, bleeding the blood by now going down
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Speaker 1: his pants, coming out of his abdomen, and his lungs
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Speaker 1: slowly backing up to where he can't take another breath.
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Speaker 2: You can't say what if that.
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Speaker 1: Was you, or what if that was your father or
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Speaker 1: your brother or your son. You can't say that, but
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Speaker 1: you can certainly strike a visual image in the hearts
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Speaker 1: and minds of the gr rs.
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Speaker 2: Isn't that true?
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Speaker 8: Absolutely, Nancy? And you know the imagination can't help but
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Speaker 8: run wild. You know, the footage is greeny, and when
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Speaker 8: you know what's actually happening there, you start to fill
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Speaker 8: in the details. You start to fill in, like you
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Speaker 8: described the blood filling into his mouth and his nose,
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Speaker 8: and the desperation you see hes trying to use his phone.
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Speaker 8: Some things you don't have to say to a jury.
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Speaker 8: They're going to go there themselves, and you're going to say,
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Speaker 8: as a human being, how can't you put yourself in
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Speaker 8: those shoes? How can't you think about a time you
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Speaker 8: couldn't breathe or needed help and was desperately seeking someone's assistance,
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Speaker 8: And that really is such a powerful piece of evidence.
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Speaker 1: Doctor Manisha Pandy joining US Chief Forensic Pathologists for Forensic
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Speaker 1: Pathologist LLC. Doctor Pandy, I remember the first time and
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Speaker 1: I was into I guess this was my third or
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Speaker 1: fourth homicide trial.
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Speaker 2: I went to the medical examer I said, what is that.
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Speaker 1: I don't understand this blood pattern at all, and she said,
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Speaker 1: I think she's the word aspirate. There was a fine
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Speaker 1: mist of blood on something and it's where the victim
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Speaker 1: was breathing in and.
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Speaker 2: It would accept with exhale a mist of blood.
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Speaker 8: That's correct.
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Speaker 12: That's what happens is pure getting stabbed in the lungs.
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Speaker 12: Your lungs now start filling up with blood and then
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Speaker 12: you're inhaling a failing. You'll start asperating and then you
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Speaker 12: aspirate the blood and then you can just you know,
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Speaker 12: when you are egg failing, the fineness of blood and
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Speaker 12: fluids come out along with your breath and you're really struggling.
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Speaker 1: The glam sister of the accused killer because Armamane shows
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Speaker 1: up in court dressed to the nines and takes the stand,
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Speaker 1: throwing shade on the cash app founder Bobb Lee, claiming
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Speaker 1: that he introduced her to a drug dealer who the
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Speaker 1: insects assaulted her. Now, what does that have to do
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Speaker 1: with the stabbing by somebody else hours later that said
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Speaker 1: she says he brought me a big take of nitrous
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Speaker 1: and had a big bottle of GHB. She then claims
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Speaker 1: she passed out after consuming the drugs. After Lee left,
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Speaker 1: she told the court she had three shots of a
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Speaker 1: drink mixed with GHB and.
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Speaker 2: Then passed out.
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Speaker 1: Is this just an attempt to muddy the memory of
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Speaker 1: Bob Lee, Whether it did or didn't, What does that
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Speaker 1: have to do with the murder?
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Speaker 2: What more do we know about the night?
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Speaker 1: I don't understand with this stabbing first occurred. There was
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Speaker 1: so much media surrounding it, and I thought, what is
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Speaker 1: this about it? Is it because it's an expensive area?
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Speaker 1: Why because stabbings happened every day and seemingly nobody cares well?
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Speaker 1: Take a listen to our cut too. This is Miguil
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Speaker 1: Almgure with NBC.
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Speaker 3: The father of two who had recently moved to Miami
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Speaker 3: was more than a tech icon, his wife saying, Bob
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Speaker 3: Lee was the most incredible and beautiful human being. He
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Speaker 3: was everyone's best friend. Lee still have no suspects or
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Speaker 3: motive for the murder.
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Speaker 7: It's gonna be hard to imagine a world where you
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Speaker 7: can't call Bob and say.
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Speaker 11: Hey, I had this problem I'm thinking through can you
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Speaker 11: help me through it?
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Speaker 8: He was an absolutely instrumental person in the tech industry.
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Speaker 3: This morning, the high profile murder of a tech pioneer
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Speaker 3: killed while walking the streets in a city under increased
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Speaker 3: scrutiny for its safety.
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Speaker 1: A visionary, a tech guru, and there's more. Take a
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Speaker 1: listener friends at crime Online.
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Speaker 13: He's been described as that person that everyone wants to
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Speaker 13: be around. Bob Lee's gregarious personality drew people in. Friends
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Speaker 13: described Lye as happy, go lucky and an enthusiastic ball
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Speaker 13: of energy. Lee had been a water pole star at
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Speaker 13: Lindberg High School outside of Saint Louis, but in college
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Speaker 13: his passion's turn to technology. In fact, in the early
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Speaker 13: two thousands, while in college, Lee developed a solution to
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Speaker 13: the code red virus, which played computers worldwide. He wrote
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Speaker 13: and released a program that users could implement to deflect
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Speaker 13: the virus. Lee's muscle in the tech world grew. He
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Speaker 13: published an influential manual on the code language Java, then
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Speaker 13: worked with Google's AdWords. In twenty ten, Square recruited Lee
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Speaker 13: to become its CTO Chief Technical Officer, where he helped
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Speaker 13: build cash App. When Square went public in twenty fifteen, Lee,
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Speaker 13: the extrovert, social, technical genius and father of two, became
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Speaker 13: a millionaire overnight.
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Speaker 2: So this is the guy that created cash app.
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Speaker 1: It's a P to P person to person transferring app
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Speaker 1: on your phone.
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Speaker 2: This is the guy that created that kind of like Venmo,
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Speaker 2: and there's more.
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Speaker 1: I want you to take a listen hour cut four
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Speaker 1: Rob Nesbit Kron Lee.
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Speaker 10: Had a successful career in tech as a founder of
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Speaker 10: cash app, former chief technology officer of Square, and chief
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Speaker 10: product officer at mobile Coin. His death caused a firestorm
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Speaker 10: a posts on social media about violent crimes in San Francisco.
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Speaker 10: District Attorney Brooke Jenkins posted on Twitter Wednesday saying, quote,
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Speaker 10: protecting public safety and holding violent repeat offenders accountable is
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Speaker 10: a top priority for my administration. The DA extended her
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Speaker 10: condolences to Lee's friends and family who are trying to
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Speaker 10: figure out the tough question of why.
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Speaker 14: I can't imagine anyone targeting Bob. He was not a
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Speaker 14: person who garnered any sort of animosity towards people. If anything,
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Speaker 14: he garnered respect and love, and people really enjoyed hanging
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Speaker 14: out with him.
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Speaker 1: Joining right now is our own tech guru, Ben Levitan,
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Speaker 1: telecommunications expert, joining us out of Raleigh. You can find
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Speaker 1: him at Benlevitan dot com. You know, Ben, I've admired
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Speaker 1: you for so long because the way you think tech
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Speaker 1: experts think differently than Shakespeare in literature.
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Speaker 2: Majors or lawyers. It's a whole different mindset.
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Speaker 1: You see the world in code like a seer a
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Speaker 1: page fuller numbers, and that makes sense to you, doesn't
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Speaker 1: make sense to everybody else.
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Speaker 2: Is it a different mindset?
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Speaker 1: And how does somebody like Bob Lee rise to the
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Speaker 1: very top of his industry?
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Speaker 8: It's really thanks for that intro.
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Speaker 15: That's the best intro I've ever had, Nancy, Thank you.
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Speaker 15: The fact is, you know, I've been an engineer for
25:35
Speaker 15: thirty years focused on the cell phone network. We think
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Speaker 15: very black and white. Things either work or do not work.
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Speaker 15: There's no gray area with the engineers. But Bob Lee's
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Speaker 15: magic or what made him so successful, is He's able
25:52
Speaker 15: to understand what people want, what non engineers understand. The
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Speaker 15: best engineer is going to be someone who understands what
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Speaker 15: a non engineer wants to see. That's why Apple's been
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Speaker 15: so successful. It's very very simple. Bob understood that people
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Speaker 15: wanted a quick, easy way to pay each other exchange money.
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Speaker 15: The big thing that he understood it was not everybody
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Speaker 15: has a bank account. The other big thing he understood
26:23
Speaker 15: is it had to be simple, an instant, and that
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Speaker 15: they wouldn't mind paying a small percentage of that for
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Speaker 15: him to facilitate the services. Ironically, Nancy, in this case,
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Speaker 15: the best evidence is going to come off the cash app.
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Speaker 15: Every time you make a transaction, the cash app is
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Speaker 15: going to record your location, it's going to record the
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Speaker 15: two parties who were doing the transaction. It's going to
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Speaker 15: have their mobile phone numbers. There's going to be so
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Speaker 15: much evidence right there.
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Speaker 1: So you just put that in a way that even I,
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Speaker 1: a literature major, can understand. Okay, So who would do
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Speaker 1: this thing to ATTACKT Guru a visionary note around the
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Speaker 1: world and a father of two? I might add, take
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Speaker 1: a listen to our cutd.
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Speaker 13: Just after two am Tuesday morning, Bob Lee called police.
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Speaker 13: He was near San Francisco's Bay Bridge. He reportedly yelled
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Speaker 13: into his phone, help someone stabbed me. Surveillance footage showed
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Speaker 13: Lee struggling to walk up a city street. He tried
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Speaker 13: to wave down a white cameray with its hazard lights on.
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Speaker 13: The camera drives away and Lee collapses on the ground.
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Speaker 13: Six minutes later, the police arrive and Lee is unconscious
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Speaker 13: and bleeding uncontrollably. Lee has been stabbed three times, once
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Speaker 13: in the hip and twice in the chest.
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Speaker 1: So now a mystery car emerges a car that speeds
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Speaker 1: away when Lee circles back to it. Why, here's more
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Speaker 1: from our friends at NBC.
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Speaker 3: Doorties call it a planned and deliberate attack.
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Speaker 16: There is evidence regarding motive that has been located in
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Speaker 16: this case, but certainly we have to make sure that
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Speaker 16: we look at every avenue.
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Speaker 3: This video, obtained by the Dailymail dot Com, shows Lee
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Speaker 3: staggering away after the attack. Police later found a text
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Speaker 3: message from Kazar Moomenti on Lee's phone. Just wanted to
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Speaker 3: make sure you're doing okay because I know Nima came
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Speaker 3: way down hard on you, and thank you for being
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Speaker 3: such a classy man handling it with class. Love you.
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Speaker 1: Okay, Well, it looks like yet again, ben Levitan is right.
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Speaker 2: The cops are combing through. He was now. He had
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Speaker 2: moved to Miami. His two children, his two little girls
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Speaker 2: were there. His ex wife's there. They're raising the children together.
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Speaker 1: His father, very very close relationship with the father who
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Speaker 1: also moves to Miami to be with Bobbly. He comes
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Speaker 1: back to San Francisco for a tech conference.
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Speaker 2: Right, Yeah, all of.
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Speaker 6: That is exactly right. He lived in the Bay Area,
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Speaker 6: a suburb actually just north of San Francisco. For some time,
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Speaker 6: and then it was the fall of twenty twenty two.
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Speaker 6: Lobly moved his whole family to Miami. That's including his
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Speaker 6: ex wife and his father, Ben.
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Speaker 1: Levitan, telecommunications expert, joining us out of Raleigh. Ben, we
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Speaker 1: learned that in this very ritzy area there are cams everywhere,
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Speaker 1: surveillance cameras, rings, all sorts of surveillance, and that is
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Speaker 1: how we get some of the video we see of
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Speaker 1: him staggering around for help as.
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Speaker 2: He's bleeding out.
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Speaker 1: But you say, texts and pinging and following the trail
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Speaker 1: of where he was that night, went out on the
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Speaker 1: town at the end of the day after the conference,
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Speaker 1: let out can give us so much more information. Now,
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Speaker 1: I want to ask you about surveillance video cams. Do
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Speaker 1: they still tape over themselves like at the end of
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Speaker 1: seventy two hours like they did in the Chandra Levy case.
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Speaker 15: It depends on how much you're spending on this technology.
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Speaker 15: A lot of them do overright, But memory is so
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Speaker 15: cheap nowadays, and if you're just recording low resolution like
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Speaker 15: what we saw in the Daily Mail video that's very
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Speaker 15: low resolution, you could keep that for years. But you
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Speaker 15: know what's critical, the twenty four hours prior, and everybody's
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Speaker 15: going to happen. There's so much more than video. Every
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Speaker 15: time you walk around with your phone, you're leaving digital
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Speaker 15: footprints all over the place. So certainly in that office lobby,
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Speaker 15: they know everybody who came near that building. So those
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Speaker 15: would be perpetrators, those would be suspects, and those would
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Speaker 15: be with potential witnesses. Digital evidence gives us three things.
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Speaker 15: Who was at this, who is at the scene, and
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Speaker 15: those areotential suspects. Yes, those are potential witnesses, and that's
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Speaker 15: the most important thing. People may have walked by and
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Speaker 15: didn't even know what was going on. Someone may have
31:11
Speaker 15: seen someone running away from Bob Lee and have thought
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Speaker 15: nothing of it.
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Speaker 2: Crime Stories with Nancy Grace.
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Speaker 1: In the last hours, the jury reaches a verdict. Prosecutors
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Speaker 1: accused Nima MoManI attacked Guru of planning the attack and
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Speaker 1: taking a very unique knife from his sister's kitchen before
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Speaker 1: driving Bob Lee to a secluded area and stabbing him
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Speaker 1: multiple times. Now, prosecutors long claimed the stabber planned the
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Speaker 1: attack after a dispute over his the staber's sister, Kazar.
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Speaker 1: All three of them had been at Kazar's apartment just
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Speaker 1: before the murder.
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Speaker 2: What more do we know?
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Speaker 1: Looking at the victim, bob Ley's texts and messages, a
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Speaker 1: name emerges and boy does it take a listen our
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Speaker 1: cut EIGHTCBS.
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Speaker 7: These haunting security camera images posted by London's Daily Mail
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Speaker 7: show the final moments of bob Le's life and tonight
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Speaker 7: police say that brutal stabbing was not a random attack.
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Speaker 5: We can confirm that mister Lee and Missmomini knew each other.
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Speaker 7: San Francisco's police chief says thirty eight year old Nima Momeni,
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Speaker 7: who owns a tech company, was arrested this morning in
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Speaker 7: the suburb of Emeryville and booked on one charge of murder.
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Speaker 7: Officers confronted him with bullhorns. Law enforcement did not give
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Speaker 7: details or a motive for the killing.
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Speaker 1: Hold on Nima Momeni, a tech company owner, Well, that's
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Speaker 1: a bunch of bes, you know, a bunch of bs.
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Speaker 1: Jarrett Fiorentino, homicide prosecutor. That's a technical legal term, but
33:09
Speaker 1: there's really no other way to put it. I mean,
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Speaker 1: I don't think they have a Latin phrase for that.
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Speaker 1: Lawyers can throw around in the courtroom. But Jen Smith,
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Speaker 1: he's not a successful tech owner. Didn't he lie about
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Speaker 1: graduating from Berkeley?
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Speaker 2: I'm talking about momaning.
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Speaker 6: He sure did. He would love the world to think,
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Speaker 6: or at one stage he would have loved the world
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Speaker 6: to think that he was this high flying tech executive.
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Speaker 6: We're not talking about the kind of success that Bobbly enjoyed.
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Speaker 11: Though.
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Speaker 6: This man had a small shop.
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Speaker 2: He worked out of his apartment.
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Speaker 6: He worked out of his apartment, that's correct. He has
33:41
Speaker 6: an IT domain name. I would say at Beth he
33:45
Speaker 6: had lied about his college education. He said he went
33:49
Speaker 6: to Berkeley. Berkeley says he did not. And really the
33:53
Speaker 6: rest of his life is somewhat of a mystery. But
33:57
Speaker 6: like you say, he was working out of his apartment
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Speaker 6: in em Wi jed but five miles from where the
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Speaker 6: attack took play.
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Speaker 1: And there's nothing wrong with working out of your apartment
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Speaker 1: or home.
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Speaker 2: Many people do it, especially since COVID. But to lie
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Speaker 2: about it?
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Speaker 1: Doctor John delatorre joining US psychologists and mediator specializing in
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Speaker 1: forensic psychology. Why do people have to lie about it?
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Speaker 1: Who cares if you work out of your place? You're loft,
34:25
Speaker 1: nobody cares, But why lie about it? Nobody cares where
34:29
Speaker 1: you went to college. Great, they may care for a
34:33
Speaker 1: minute when you're trying to get your first job, But
34:36
Speaker 1: then after that, why lie about it?
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Speaker 2: Doctor Delatory?
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Speaker 9: Yeah, because you have a high impression manager. Just because
34:42
Speaker 9: the world doesn't look at you as being somewhat important,
34:45
Speaker 9: that doesn't mean that you don't view the world as.
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Speaker 11: Needing you to be important.
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Speaker 9: So of course you're going to lie, and of course
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Speaker 9: you're going to embellish if you believe that the world
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Speaker 9: is going to judge you in ways you don't want
34:56
Speaker 9: to be judged.
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Speaker 2: You know, I came off of red dirt road drinking.
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Speaker 1: Well, I don't know how somebody like me managed to
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Speaker 1: worm my way into Valdosta College and then Mercy University
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Speaker 1: and then NYU.
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Speaker 2: It's a miracle.
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Speaker 1: I've always been amazed at people that lie about everything
35:15
Speaker 1: to do with their background. But there's more at play here.
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Speaker 1: Take a listen how our cut seven. This is Brooke Jenkins.
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Speaker 1: And remember the da has endeared a real hailstorm because
35:28
Speaker 1: of the crime in this area.
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Speaker 2: This wants wonderful, beautiful area.
35:32
Speaker 1: It's now home, it's drenched in crime.
35:37
Speaker 2: And I don't know.
35:37
Speaker 1: Why the mayor is bragging and crowing, Hey, This wasn't
35:41
Speaker 1: a homeless person that committed the crime, Lady, They committed
35:45
Speaker 1: a crime on Main Street and nobody would help this guy.
35:51
Speaker 1: It's crime ridden. Listen to this.
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Speaker 16: Well, in some cases we do immediately have a suspect
35:58
Speaker 16: that was not the situation.
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Speaker 2: Here.
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Speaker 16: As a result of their hard work, mister Lee's killer
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Speaker 16: has been identified, arrested, and now.
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Speaker 2: Will be brought to justice.
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Speaker 16: I am here today to formally announce the charges against
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Speaker 16: mister Nima Momeni for the murder of Bob Lee. The
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Speaker 16: specific charges that we are filing today include murder in
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Speaker 16: violation of Penal Code Section one eighty seven, as well
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Speaker 16: as a special allegation also known as an enhancement, alleging
36:28
Speaker 16: that this murder was committed with a knife.
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Speaker 2: I wonder why.
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Speaker 1: It's an enhancement if anybody on the panel knows, unless
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Speaker 1: they're trying to curb knife violence. And speaking of knives,
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Speaker 1: Jen Smith, Teeth, investigative reporter, dailymail dot com, this guy
36:43
Speaker 1: Momony has a history with knives. Explain that little matter
36:49
Speaker 1: regarding a switch blade.
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Speaker 2: Yeah, he sure does.
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Speaker 6: We know now that in two thousand and eleven, Nima
36:55
Speaker 6: Mmeny was charged with attacking a woman with a switch
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Speaker 6: blade on We see this came to light after his
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Speaker 6: arrest in the ball Blee case. I know, speaking of
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Speaker 6: the knife in this case, fancy, we're not talking about
37:06
Speaker 6: a switchblade. We're talking about kitchen knife, a large one.
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Speaker 6: That is what police day he used to attack ball Blee.
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Speaker 2: Kitchen knife.
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Speaker 1: But he before that had a history of trying to
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Speaker 1: sell an illegal switchblade.
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Speaker 2: Is that correct? Yeah, that's absolutely right.
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Speaker 6: This guy has a long history with violence, clearly specifically
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Speaker 6: associated with Knight.
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Speaker 1: Well, the evidence is largely electronic, and ben Levitan is
37:33
Speaker 1: right about that. And I know, Jarrett Farantino, you love
37:36
Speaker 1: electronic evidence, digital evidence, because it doesn't lie like an
37:41
Speaker 1: eyewitness may have had bad vision and left their glasses
37:44
Speaker 1: at home, not so a digital information. Take a list
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Speaker 1: an hour cut nine from our friends at NBC.
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Speaker 3: The moments before, during, and after the murder of Bob
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Speaker 3: Lee were recorded on surveillance cameras and help detectives track
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Speaker 3: down their suspect. According to court document, it's the tech
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Speaker 3: Titans relationship with this woman because ar Momeni may have
38:05
Speaker 3: been the reason her brother Nima Momeni killed the forty
38:08
Speaker 3: three year old. Is mister Lee's relationship with the suspects
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Speaker 3: sister a major part of this case.
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Speaker 16: His relationship with the suspects sister is certainly the connection
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Speaker 16: it appears between the two and so that is something
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Speaker 16: that's very important to this investigation.
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Speaker 1: In a Nutshales, gent Smith, before we run out of time,
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Speaker 1: why would Mamonie kill Bob Lee.
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Speaker 2: I were Mamini's sister.
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Speaker 1: She's married to a very successful, well known plastic surgeon
38:36
Speaker 1: in that area.
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Speaker 6: Well, it's all now emerging. The friends who are close
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Speaker 6: to bob Le and Caauzarmomeny, the glamorous sister, they believe
38:44
Speaker 6: that the pair were having a romantic relationship. And it
38:47
Speaker 6: gets darker than that. There is a suggestion that because
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Speaker 6: Armomeny was using drugs, she had a drug problem, that
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Speaker 6: she was.
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Speaker 2: Hiding You mean the sister, the sister.
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Speaker 6: Because Armmenny, yes, the sister. There is a suggestion she
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Speaker 6: had a drug problem, she was hiding from her husband,
39:03
Speaker 6: and that she was perhaps artying with Lee. On the
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Speaker 6: day before the murder, her brother Nima, older than her,
39:13
Speaker 6: didn't like obviously that she was engaging in this type
39:16
Speaker 6: of behavior. He we know, questioned Bob Lee about it
39:21
Speaker 6: hours before the stabbing. He wanted to know the extent
39:24
Speaker 6: of their relationship, and he wanted to know from Lee
39:26
Speaker 6: whether or not his sister had been getting into anything
39:30
Speaker 6: that wasn't exactly proper, should we say. Bobly assures Nima
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Speaker 6: Mumeni that his sister Khazar, this woman that he is
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Speaker 6: apparently having an affair with, was not using drugs, that
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Speaker 6: everything was fine. That speaks to the text message that
39:46
Speaker 6: was discovered on Bobby's phone from the sister. Clearly it
39:51
Speaker 6: set Nima Momeni's brother into a very violent rage.
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Speaker 1: Sarett Farentina, homicide prosecutor of Pennsylvania, number one in the state,
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Speaker 1: never ever has to prove the motive under the law.
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Speaker 1: It's a practical matter. The jury wants to hear what
40:08
Speaker 1: the motive would be. And I'm very curious about this
40:12
Speaker 1: whole the way this whole thing went down, because at Ferentino,
40:15
Speaker 1: it doesn't wash with me that these two had been
40:18
Speaker 1: going to restaurants and bars or whatever since the tech
40:21
Speaker 1: conference got out that day, you know, hitting the town
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Speaker 1: and then all of a sudden, Mamoni gets mad and
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Speaker 1: stabs him dead.
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Speaker 2: That doesn't quite ring true to me.
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Speaker 8: Well, if you were shaping up here that it's looking
40:37
Speaker 8: like Mamoni was playing the role of the protective big brother.
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Speaker 8: The speculation is that Lee may have been involved in
40:44
Speaker 8: procuring some kind of narcotics for Tina is her nickname,
40:52
Speaker 8: Anima's sister, and that may be what triggered him. When
40:56
Speaker 8: he discovered that Lee had been involved in procuring narcotics
41:01
Speaker 8: for Tina and he's playing the big brother. They get
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Speaker 8: into an argument they being Nima and Bob, and the
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Speaker 8: stabbing ensues. But like you said, the fact that they're
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Speaker 8: out on the town having dinner, traveling in the same
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Speaker 8: social circles over the course of that evening doesn't necessarily
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Speaker 8: jive with it exploding into a violent conflict.
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Speaker 1: You know the old phrase, Jeriff Farantina, Sticks and stones
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Speaker 1: can break my bones, but words can never hurt me.
41:29
Speaker 1: The reality is, I don't care what they argued about.
41:32
Speaker 1: I don't care what Mamini thought. He stabbed this guy,
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Speaker 1: an unarmed victim, dead and left him to stagger around
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Speaker 1: this exclusive area to die, begging for help from a
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Speaker 1: car and passers by.
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Speaker 2: Nobody would help him. Knew he was dying, spinning up blood.
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Speaker 1: I don't care what they talked about This is murder,
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Speaker 1: and it's murder one bottom line.
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Speaker 2: The jury agreed with prosecutors.
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Speaker 1: Mamaney guilty in the brutal murder of multi millionaire cash
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Speaker 1: app founder Bob Lee. All that money, all that privilege,
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Speaker 1: could not protect him from those closest to him. Nancy
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Speaker 1: Grace signing off, goodbye friend,