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#288 You Don't Have to Fix Everything · Dr Justin Coulson's Happy Families

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Speaker 1: It's the Happy Families Podcast.
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Speaker 2: It's the podcast for the time poor parent who just
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Speaker 2: wants answers.
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Speaker 1: Now, I can't emphasize this enough.
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Speaker 3: Getting parenting right is not about habits, It's about our heart.
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Speaker 2: And now here's the stars of our show, my mum
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Speaker 2: and dad.
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Speaker 3: Welcome to the Happy Family's Podcast. I'm doctor Justin Coulson.
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Speaker 3: Be laughing at you.
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Speaker 2: Just went totally against everything I said I did.
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Speaker 3: As soon as I opened the mic, something different came
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Speaker 3: out to what you're expecting. I'm here with Kylie, who
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Speaker 3: I do listen to and take counsel from, an influence
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Speaker 3: from all the time, really all the time today, founder
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Speaker 3: of Happy Families dot com. Do I might have already
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Speaker 3: said that, And Kylie, you've had some insights just over
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Speaker 3: the last few days as you've been doing story time
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Speaker 3: with our seven year old.
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Speaker 2: Storytime is literally like one of my favorite times of day.
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Speaker 2: I just love that slower pace and being able to
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Speaker 2: snuggle in together and reconnect.
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Speaker 1: At least you used to.
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Speaker 2: Well, yeah, you know, I used to love reading books
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Speaker 2: like Edward the EMU was sick of the zoo. There
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Speaker 2: was nowhere to go, there was nothing to do when
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Speaker 2: compared to the seals that live right next door while
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Speaker 2: being an EMU was frankly a bore. That's one of
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Speaker 2: my favorite stories. Do you know what she's getting me
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Speaker 2: to read these days?
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Speaker 1: Share it.
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Speaker 3: The body of.
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Speaker 2: An insect is divided into three parts. The headhouses the
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Speaker 2: brain and supports the eyes, feelers, and mouth parts. All
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Speaker 2: insects have six legs on their thorax, and many have wings.
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Speaker 2: The abdomen contains the organs for digestion and reproduction.
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Speaker 3: You're saying that you're not enjoying reading stories with our
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Speaker 3: seven year old anymore because it's more of a science.
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Speaker 2: It doesn't have the same ring to it. Let's just
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Speaker 2: put it that way. And she is just engrossed and
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Speaker 2: all of these information books and she wants to know
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Speaker 2: every detail about everything.
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Speaker 1: Yeah. Has that working for you?
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Speaker 3: As storytime still is relaxing, You're still feeling as connected
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Speaker 3: as you used to.
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Speaker 2: There's some really big words and there I have to
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Speaker 2: work my way up around. But she just loves it,
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Speaker 2: and so as a result I will learn to love it.
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Speaker 3: Hey, Yet, today we're talking about something really interesting, something
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Speaker 3: that I think is going to be hopefully a lot
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Speaker 3: of fun. We're talking about when my techniques, my parenting
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Speaker 3: techniques that I share with people all the time, don't work.
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Speaker 2: You mean they don't work.
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Speaker 1: Well, No, they do. They do. They do. Let me
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Speaker 1: be really clear. They do.
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Speaker 3: But a friend of a friend of ours, David, sent
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Speaker 3: me a text message the other day, and he is
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Speaker 3: a good mate, and he has given us permission to
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Speaker 3: share his experience on the podcast. But David was in
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Speaker 3: the in the kitchen when the children were having an
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Speaker 3: interaction shall we call it with one another of those interactions,
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Speaker 3: and he decided to try one of my parenting techniques
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Speaker 3: and all he said, he sent me a video of it,
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Speaker 3: and underneath it he said, tried your technique, didn't work.
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Speaker 1: Let me share this show.
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Speaker 4: The sounds like you guys are having a hard time.
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Speaker 4: Would you like me to help? How are you feeling
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Speaker 4: at the moment?
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Speaker 1: What are you laughing at?
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Speaker 2: David sounded so engrossed in it, didn't he There's so
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Speaker 2: much passion in his voice as he asked each to
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Speaker 2: those questions.
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Speaker 3: So, firstly, David, thanks for giving us permission to share
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Speaker 3: your parenting moment. I was going to say fail, but
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Speaker 3: we'll just call it a moment for now. We'll dissect
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Speaker 3: it in a minute. And when you listen to that though,
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Speaker 3: so David's obviously he's given me a hard time because
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Speaker 3: my parenting strategy didn't work. Because something that I say
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Speaker 3: all the time is that when the kids are having
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Speaker 3: a hard time, just gently intervene. So you guys seem
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Speaker 3: to be having a rough time, what can I do
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Speaker 3: to help? How can I help or how are things
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Speaker 3: feeling right now? But when you listen to David do that, Kylie,
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Speaker 3: can you think of any reasons that my parenting technique
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Speaker 3: might not have worked in that instance? I mean, let's
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Speaker 3: just quiz you and see if you can deconstruct it.
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Speaker 3: And the reason that I'm doing this, by the way,
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Speaker 3: is because we do tend to learn best when we're
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Speaker 3: not listening to or participating in something with an expert,
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Speaker 3: but with somebody who's kind of a bit like us,
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Speaker 3: when we get to see their mistakes, we get better
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Speaker 3: at it. If I want to become a better motorcycle racer,
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Speaker 3: not that I've ride motorcycles, of course, but if I
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Speaker 3: were watching a GP Formula one motorcyclist, I don't even
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Speaker 3: know what they call that thing was around the track.
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Speaker 3: I'm not going to learn much because they're just so
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Speaker 3: far advanced compared to where I would be on a motorbike.
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Speaker 3: I need to watch somebody who doesn't know very much,
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Speaker 3: but just a bit more than me. So as you
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Speaker 3: listen to David's interaction with his kids, what stood out
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Speaker 3: to you well.
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Speaker 2: First and foremost his tone when you said the words
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Speaker 2: I melted. Maybe that's because I'm biased, but there was
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Speaker 2: a gen in this to the things that you were saying,
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Speaker 2: Whereas it felt like David was like, oh, I'm just
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Speaker 2: going to give this a go because the expert told
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Speaker 2: me I should, but I don't believe it's going to work.
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Speaker 3: And this is the critical thing where having a script.
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Speaker 3: This is why I actually don't like giving people scripts.
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Speaker 3: I've started doing it because people beg me for what
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Speaker 3: do I say?
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Speaker 1: What do I do?
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Speaker 3: But I can't emphasize this enough. Getting parenting right is
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Speaker 3: not about habits. It's about our heart and it's not
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Speaker 3: about getting the words right, right right, it's three right,
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Speaker 3: right right, It's not about that at all.
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Speaker 1: It's about our hearts.
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Speaker 3: And as you've pointed out, there's not a lot of
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Speaker 3: heart in what David's saying. He's shouting form across the room. Sorry,
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Speaker 3: I'm answering the question, what else did you notice?
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Speaker 2: Well, he was shouting from across the room, shouting to
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Speaker 2: just room okay, and what else. At no point did
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Speaker 2: he actually engage with the children.
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Speaker 3: Yeah, so he was kind of shouting over the top
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Speaker 3: of them from a different room. There's no eye contact,
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Speaker 3: there's no there's no humanity in it. It's literally just
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Speaker 3: It's like when you ring a call center and you
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Speaker 3: get this person on the other line. They pick up
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Speaker 3: the phone and they say, that must be very hard
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Speaker 3: for you. I'm so sorry for you.
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Speaker 1: That kind of thing. I heard a comedian recently.
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Speaker 3: His wife called a call center and she said, I've
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Speaker 3: just received a letter from you, my insurer, and you're
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Speaker 3: saying that my husband is dead.
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Speaker 1: He's not dead.
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Speaker 3: And the lady on the other end of the line
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Speaker 3: of the call center said, I'm so sorry, he's not dead. So,
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Speaker 3: when you've got a script, it doesn't always work because
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Speaker 3: the context is kind of everything, and we've got to
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Speaker 3: we got to kind of be in the moment. So
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Speaker 3: what David's done is he's called across the room. There's
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Speaker 3: no feeling, there's no heart, He's just following the script.
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Speaker 3: He's not connecting with the kids.
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Speaker 2: Not only is he not just following, he's just following
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Speaker 2: the script, but he actually doesn't believe it's going to work.
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Speaker 3: You can kind of hear it in his voice. Yeah,
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Speaker 3: and in fairness to David, I mean, he was kind
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Speaker 3: of just giving me a hard time. He just wanted
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Speaker 3: to shove it back at me and say, yeah, come on,
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Speaker 3: mister Parring expert, what am I supposed to do now?
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Speaker 2: But it kind of goes back to that whole heart thing,
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Speaker 2: doesn't it. It's like, what is the intent of our heart?
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Speaker 2: Are we just we're doing this because our spouse thinks that,
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Speaker 2: you know, we need to give things a go, we
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Speaker 2: want to change things up, or do we actually care
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Speaker 2: about what's happening in our space right now?
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Speaker 3: So if we're going to get this right, if our
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Speaker 3: kids are fighting, or if our children are having a
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Speaker 3: hard time, big emotions, whatever it is, and we're trying
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Speaker 3: our very best not to explode, we want to explore
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Speaker 3: and we want to help them.
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Speaker 1: To figure it out. There's got to be a better way. David.
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Speaker 3: I'm so sorry now that we've completely demolished your parenting.
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Speaker 3: We're going to come back after the break and talk
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Speaker 3: about how we can get this right.
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Speaker 2: We call this constructive criticism, don't.
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Speaker 1: We And right in fact, right after break there is
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Speaker 1: more to the story.
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Speaker 3: David did message me shortly afterwards and shared a little
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Speaker 3: bit more that changes everything completely.
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Speaker 1: Going to tell you what that is in just a second.
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Speaker 2: poor parent who just wants answers now. And today we
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Speaker 2: are dissecting David's parenting.
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Speaker 3: We're giving you answers now because your time poor. So
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Speaker 3: what do you do when the kids are fighting and
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Speaker 3: you know that you're supposed to intervene and you've got
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Speaker 3: the doctor justin calls on script but it's kind of
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Speaker 3: not working for whatever reason.
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Speaker 2: Okay, but are we supposed to intervene?
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Speaker 1: Huh? Really interesting.
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Speaker 3: I think that the very best parents have the they
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Speaker 3: have a level of discernment where they know when to
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Speaker 3: step in and they know when to step out.
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Speaker 2: You know, it's really hard when you're in the same space,
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Speaker 2: and you can hear at tension or contention. It's really
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Speaker 2: hard to not want to just scale it down really quickly,
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Speaker 2: fix the problem.
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Speaker 1: Your kids.
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Speaker 3: You love them, They're supposed to love each other, and
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Speaker 3: everyone wants peace and quiet, especially at about six o'clock
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Speaker 3: at night when it's that time.
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Speaker 1: Everyone's tired.
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Speaker 3: So knowing when to step in and step out is
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Speaker 3: the critical thing, I think. And in that situation, because
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Speaker 3: they were just having an argument about a TV show,
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Speaker 3: I would probably actually say just step out, don't don't
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Speaker 3: get involved.
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Speaker 1: No one's getting hurt.
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Speaker 2: Obviously I couldn't see the video, but there were moments
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Speaker 2: where there was dead space where the kids were kind
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Speaker 2: of like, I've got to think of another argument to
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Speaker 2: get my point across.
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Speaker 1: Yeah, we've already seen. What was this movie that were
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Speaker 1: talking about.
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Speaker 3: I don't want to watch the ship at all. I
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Speaker 3: think that was the teenager that was saying that he
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Speaker 3: was one with the deeper voice. So knowing when to
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Speaker 3: step in and when to step out. Typically when somebody
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Speaker 3: crosses a line in terms of making threats, saying things
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Speaker 3: that are just completely inappropriate and unkind, or when somebody
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Speaker 3: looks like they're in danger of being hurt. That's that's
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Speaker 3: when I recommend we intervene. But for the most part,
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Speaker 3: our kids have got to figure this stuff out. And
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Speaker 3: I mentioned that David did have more to the story,
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Speaker 3: and I reckon, it's probably worth sharing it. I messaged
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Speaker 3: him back and laughed at his feeble attempt at implementing
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Speaker 3: the strategy that I shared, and then he said they
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Speaker 3: worked it out on their own.
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Speaker 1: In the end, they're all happy now, which kind of
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Speaker 1: highlights the point.
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Speaker 3: We don't have to fix everything as parents. We feel
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Speaker 3: like we're supposed to be the police, the prosecutor, and
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Speaker 3: the preacher. What I mean by that is that the
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Speaker 3: police that's the one who's stepping in and breaking it
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Speaker 3: away in it all up. The prosecutor, this is where
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Speaker 3: we start to work out who's right and who's wrong
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Speaker 3: and send someone to their bedrooms. And the preacher that's
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Speaker 3: when we step into lecture mode and we say, right,
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Speaker 3: that's it.
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Speaker 1: You need to learn. You've got to be nice to
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Speaker 1: each other.
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Speaker 3: And we say all those things that we swore we
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Speaker 3: would never say when our parents were saying it to us,
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Speaker 3: and now we're repeating it to the next generation.
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Speaker 2: Well, last week we had a really good discussion about
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Speaker 2: this in book club reading your book Ten Things that
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Speaker 2: Every Parent Should Know, and we talked about this whole
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Speaker 2: idea of sibling rivalry.
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Speaker 1: I've got to interrupt you.
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Speaker 3: My book is called Ten Things Every Parent Needs to Know. Ohs,
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Speaker 3: it's not what every parent should know needs to know.
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Speaker 3: I just wanted to be clear about that because it
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Speaker 3: is my book that you're quoting to me right now.
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Speaker 3: By the way, book club happens every Wednesday night for
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Speaker 3: four weeks every term for our Happy Families members. So
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Speaker 3: you've got a bunch of people who are having a
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Speaker 3: conversation with you about ten things every parent needs to.
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Speaker 1: Know, needs to know because they need need to know it,
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Speaker 1: they need it. And what we were talking about, we
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Speaker 1: were talking.
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Speaker 2: About the vicious circle. This is something that we've done
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Speaker 2: a lot in our home and it really helps because
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Speaker 2: sometimes the kids are going to work it out, but
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Speaker 2: sometimes they're just not. So you want to talk us
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Speaker 2: through what that vicious circle looks like?
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Speaker 3: Yeah, very very briefly, because it's kind of complicated and
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Speaker 3: you sort of need the model to work it out.
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Speaker 3: But imagine if you've got a piece of paper at
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Speaker 3: the top of the piece of paper.
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Speaker 1: You draw a box and.
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Speaker 3: You're right, what they did? You look at one of
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Speaker 3: the kids and say, well, what do they do? And
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Speaker 3: this is their opportunity to saying, Oh, they yelled at me,
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Speaker 3: and they called me a name, and they hit me,
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Speaker 3: and they took my toy and they stood in front
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Speaker 3: of the TV. They get to say all the stuff
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Speaker 3: that their sibling did to them. Then you draw a
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Speaker 3: box down into the right. You're going to draw four
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Speaker 3: boxes in total, one at the top, one at the bottom,
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Speaker 3: one on the left, and one and the right in
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Speaker 3: the middle. And so the second one is down on
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Speaker 3: the right hand margin. And that's how I felt. So
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Speaker 3: you said to your child, well how did you feel?
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Speaker 3: And I felt aggrieved, I felt vulnerable. I felt they're
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Speaker 3: actually not going to.
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Speaker 2: Use those say those are some big words for my
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Speaker 2: five year old.
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Speaker 3: Although I remember doing this with our seven and ten
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Speaker 3: year old a few years ago, children four and five
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Speaker 3: and our seven year old Lily, she was seven at
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Speaker 3: the time. She looked at me and said, had you
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Speaker 3: feel when and he did that to you? And he
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Speaker 3: was ten. Lily looked at me with this glint in
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Speaker 3: her seven year old eye and said, vengeful.
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Speaker 1: Great word, great word. I was so proud of her.
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Speaker 3: I mean, I wasn't very happy that she got bengeful,
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Speaker 3: but I was like, yeah, you know how you were feeling?
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Speaker 1: Good?
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Speaker 3: Were And so then at the bottom we after they've
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Speaker 3: told us how they feel, we say, well, what did
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Speaker 3: you do? When we draw another box there, what I did?
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Speaker 3: So the three boxes so far, what they did, how
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Speaker 3: I felt, what I did.
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Speaker 2: And do you find in that spot when you asked
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Speaker 2: them what they did that they're not as detailed.
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Speaker 3: Yeah, yeah, because they all of a sudden have to
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Speaker 3: own their part in this conflict.
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Speaker 2: So they'll give you every single detail of what someone
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Speaker 2: else has done, but when it gets to them, they'll
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Speaker 2: just kind of say, well, I tapped her on the shoulder.
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Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, that's right.
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Speaker 3: I pretended to kick her and I might have accidentally
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Speaker 3: just gotten her that kind of thing. And I usually
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Speaker 3: do it in front of both siblings, so I'll look
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Speaker 3: at the other one and say is this accurate? Is
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Speaker 3: there anything that she's missed? So they get the chance
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Speaker 3: to really take responsibility, ownership, be accountable for their behavior.
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Speaker 1: And then the last question.
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Speaker 3: Is the most important one. So this is the one
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Speaker 3: that's in the middle on the left hand side and
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Speaker 3: the left hand margin. It's how they felt. So I'm
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Speaker 3: talking to the one who looks like they're the victim,
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Speaker 3: and I'm asking the victim, what did the aggressor do?
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Speaker 3: How did it make you feel? Now let's turn the tables.
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Speaker 1: What did you do?
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Speaker 3: And then how did the aggressor feel when you did
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Speaker 3: that to them? And this requires empathy, this requires perspective taking.
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Speaker 3: They've actually got to acknowledge that in being the victim
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Speaker 3: initially their counter attack has turned them into the perpetrator,
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Speaker 3: the aggressor. And then I draw arrows between those four
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Speaker 3: boxes so that it creates a circle, and it becomes
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Speaker 3: what I call a vicious circle, because once that initial
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Speaker 3: aggressor has become the victim, what do they do? Will
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Speaker 3: they act out again? And this thing just keeps on
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Speaker 3: going around and around and around. So that's the vicious
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Speaker 3: circle in two minutes or less.
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Speaker 2: So when you don't have that vicious circle and that model,
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Speaker 2: what you end up with this, he said, she said,
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Speaker 2: and you just keep going back and forth and you
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Speaker 2: don't get anywhere.
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Speaker 1: Agony.
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Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, Whereas this actually allows our kids to actually
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Speaker 2: see where they are responsible pretty much and take accountability
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Speaker 2: for what they're doing while acknowledging what's being done and
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Speaker 2: how they felt about it.
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Speaker 3: But remember, this is the conversation that you have when
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Speaker 3: everyone's calm down afterwards.
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Speaker 2: So David couldn't have gone in if this situation didn't
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Speaker 2: get better in quickly. He wouldn't be able to go
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Speaker 2: in and just have that conversation with them while they
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Speaker 2: were still all emotional.
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Speaker 3: No, because high emotions low intelligence. So in a nutshell,
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Speaker 3: the take our messages this, David, you blew it. He's
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Speaker 3: got it all wrong because you were doing it as
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Speaker 3: a script. You were doing it as a habit. You
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Speaker 3: weren't doing it from your heart. We need to make
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Speaker 3: sure we've got our kids.
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Speaker 2: We can't wait for your next video though.
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Speaker 3: We need to make sure that we've got our kids
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Speaker 3: eye contact. We need to engage with them in a
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Speaker 3: way that shows that we're trying to actually connect and
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Speaker 3: work things out together. And then ideally we don't step
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Speaker 3: in unless we really have to. We're careful about when
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Speaker 3: we step in. We try to stay out of it
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Speaker 3: as much as possible. I like to call it sort
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Speaker 3: of this benign neglect. It's not a harmful sort of neglect.
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Speaker 3: It's like, you guys will figure it out, and I'm
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Speaker 3: here just in case, and then we step in we
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Speaker 3: have to and then later on we sit down.
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Speaker 1: And we go through the vicious circle. I mean, you
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Speaker 1: don't want to go through it all the time.
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Speaker 3: It's kind of taxing, there's a lot to it, but
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Speaker 3: you want to do it when emotions are low. That's
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Speaker 3: the real take home message, I'd say.
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Speaker 2: I think one of the things that I've noticed over
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Speaker 2: the years with each of the kids is at different
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Speaker 2: times when we've actually noticed that there's been conflict through
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Speaker 2: the day, but they've been able to resolve it together,
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Speaker 2: having a conversation with them at the end of the
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Speaker 2: day and just acknowledging how they worked through that, and
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Speaker 2: how proud you are of the fact that they were
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Speaker 2: able to do those things in a way that left
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Speaker 2: everybody feeling whole.
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Speaker 1: Yeah.
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Speaker 3: For our Happy Families members, we've actually got a couple
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Speaker 3: of really strong webinars about how to work through that
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Speaker 3: vicious circle and how to deal with challenges with siblings.
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Speaker 3: That's in the premium membership. You can go back through
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Speaker 3: the webinar archive and check them out. And the book
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Speaker 3: that we're talking about is ten Things Every Parent needs
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Speaker 3: to Know.
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Speaker 1: All of our.
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Speaker 3: Happiness needs to just putting it out there.
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Speaker 1: I got it right, I know you did.
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Speaker 2: I'm just emphasizing your words.
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Speaker 1: It needs to know Ten Things every parent needs to know.
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Speaker 1: That's the book.
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Speaker 3: You can get it online everywhere, and if you're a
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Speaker 3: Happy Family's member, you can participate in book club on
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Speaker 3: Wednesday night for week three of Ten Things Every Parent Needs.
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Speaker 1: We really hope you've enjoyed the podcast.
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Speaker 3: Hope that it's helpful when it comes to dealing with
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Speaker 3: the challenges that kids present to us. David, thanks for
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Speaker 3: being such a good sport about it. The Happy Family's
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Speaker 3: podcast is produced by Justin Roland from Bridge Media, with
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Speaker 3: Craig Bruce, our executive producer. If you'd like more info
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