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More Madeleine McCann Mysteries (Feat. JJ Vance) · Cosmic Peach

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  Speaker 6: This ain't Africa, folks. This is Indiana. Anyhow, welcome back here, folks,
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  Speaker 6: to the interwebs. Once again, your host of Operation GCD. J.J.
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  Speaker 6: Vance right there. Not the vice president. Part-time vampire hunter, though.
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  Speaker 6: Mark that down. And anyhow, welcome back. I will be
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  Speaker 6: your pilot and navigator for tonight's shenanigan-infused journey into the
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  Speaker 6: mind of this here particular garbage can dude. That's a
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  Speaker 6: lot of numerology, sir, and I think you might be
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  Speaker 6: on to something because what we're going to be talking
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  Speaker 6: about tonight, got a real barn burner on deck for
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  Speaker 6: y'all tonight, the Madeline McCann Mysteries, and I do find
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  Speaker 6: it to be a... very likely ritual situation so not
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  Speaker 6: to be surprised to find out numerology there but we
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  Speaker 6: got a real uh real barn burn of a guest
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  Speaker 6: on deck here tonight coming back here for a very
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  Speaker 6: first time ever cosmic peach julia welcome back to operation
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  Speaker 6: gcd for your first time you.
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  Speaker 5: Know i can't tell you how excited i am for
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  Speaker 5: my first time.
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  Speaker 6: I'm fantastic yes i'm and it's your birthday happy birthday
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  Speaker 6: ma'am I'm 47.
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  Speaker 5: Thank you so much.
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  Speaker 6: I do appreciate you joining me here. It's been a
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  Speaker 6: while since we've last spoke. I had a bit of
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  Speaker 6: a health hiatus, but I'm back.
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  Speaker 5: Yeah, we did David Wilcox, Blue Avian Taint.
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  Speaker 6: David Wilcox.
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  Speaker 7: Yes.
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  Speaker 5: The last time I.
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  Speaker 6: That was a real barn burn. Yeah, no.
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  Speaker 5: I got a lot of good comments on the Blue
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  Speaker 5: Avian Taint.
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  Speaker 6: Episode i appreciated the uh relative to tonight's discussion i
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  Speaker 6: recently caught up on your madeline mccann mysteries which i
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  Speaker 6: appreciated the title because it really is a mystery you
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  Speaker 6: know it's it's not you know did she get kidnapped
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  Speaker 6: did her parents kill her did some german guy they're
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  Speaker 6: now claiming did it there's all these different mysteries around
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  Speaker 6: there right was it the podesta brothers that's something i've
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  Speaker 6: explored here in the past you know i have also
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  Speaker 6: it's a very you know Yeah, and when I say
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  Speaker 6: the pedestrian, there's like more of an elite sex trafficking ring.
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  Speaker 6: But I did appreciate your blue avian... Go ahead.
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  Speaker 5: Her parents could have been involved. I kind of compared
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  Speaker 5: the case to JonBenet because JonBenet's parents were involved in
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  Speaker 5: some kind of a larger network. So, I mean, Madeline's parents...
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  Speaker 5: could have been involved in a larger network, but there's
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  Speaker 5: so many avenues that we need to explore tonight and
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  Speaker 5: we can let the listeners make up their mind what
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  Speaker 5: they think, but there's a lot.
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  Speaker 6: I think that's a great idea. Cause I, I wanted
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  Speaker 6: to try to kind of match some of your ideas.
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  Speaker 6: I like where your brain holds that. Cause you know,
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  Speaker 6: a couple of things, the comparison to JonBenet, I think
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  Speaker 6: that's an excellent comparison for a multitude of reasons. I
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  Speaker 6: like to jump into some of those details that jumped
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  Speaker 6: in my brain home. And I heard you make that comparison.
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  Speaker 6: And I'll put a link to your stuff in the
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  Speaker 6: show notes and this show in particular, ma'am. So I
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  Speaker 6: do appreciate your time again and discussing these matters because
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  Speaker 6: it has been a captivating case that has kind of
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  Speaker 6: engrossed the attention of the entire world since day one,
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  Speaker 6: May 3rd, 2007, right?
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  Speaker 5: Yeah, and I have my notes pulled up here so
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  Speaker 5: we can kind of go at it in a timeline
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  Speaker 5: if you want.
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  Speaker 6: Yeah, I got a BBC timeline to go along with that,
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  Speaker 6: but that sounds like a great idea.
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  Speaker 5: Yeah, so I actually got interested in the case because
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  Speaker 5: Netflix has a docu-series available for anyone to watch. And
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  Speaker 5: it breaks the case down. It talks about the parents.
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  Speaker 5: It talks about the obviously the vacation, all the events
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  Speaker 5: leading up to it and afterwards. And after I watched
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  Speaker 5: the Netflix docuseries, I knew I had to cover it
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  Speaker 5: because like all Netflix docuseries, they didn't even get close
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  Speaker 5: to even they didn't even dip their toe in the water.
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  Speaker 5: They kind of just like farted near the water of
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  Speaker 5: what could have Like they didn't even come close to
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  Speaker 5: solving the case or putting the, they look at the
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  Speaker 5: parents for about two seconds and then they move right on.
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  Speaker 5: And they're like, Oh, some creepy weirdo must've just been
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  Speaker 5: stalking the family. And it was just an outside intruder.
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  Speaker 5: It's never an outside intruder people. Just like when a
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  Speaker 5: woman dies and it's usually always a husband and When
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  Speaker 5: a kid dies, it's usually always the parents. If she
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  Speaker 5: even was real. I will say that. If she was
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  Speaker 5: even real.
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  Speaker 6: Yeah, and you kind of ventured into some of that,
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  Speaker 6: it sounded like, with your podcast on the topic. And,
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  Speaker 6: you know, I've kind of looked at some of those
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  Speaker 6: arguments that she and or JonBenet are not real. I just,
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  Speaker 6: you know, I'm willing to entertain a lot of very
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  Speaker 6: schizo-like ideas, but As long as there's some evidence. I
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  Speaker 6: just don't think there's a lot of evidence for that.
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  Speaker 6: They seem to be real people.
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  Speaker 5: See, that's where I'm at, JJ, because I went up
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  Speaker 5: against a lot of hate on my JonBenet series because
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  Speaker 5: a lot of people were saying, well, she wasn't even real,
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  Speaker 5: so why even look into any of this? There's more
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  Speaker 5: evidence that she was real and something really fucking horrible
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  Speaker 5: happened than that she was not real. And I think
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  Speaker 5: it's dangerous to teeter the line between, as a conspiracy theorist,
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  Speaker 5: calling everything fake. They would love you to think it
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  Speaker 5: was fake so you didn't know how horrible the truth
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  Speaker 5: actually is. Because if you knew that and you had
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  Speaker 5: to comprehend that this stuff happens to kids every day,
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  Speaker 5: that'd be a lot harder than thinking all this stuff
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  Speaker 5: is just fake and we can just move on with
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  Speaker 5: our life because it's all just fake.
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  Speaker 6: That's an excellent point, ma'am. That's an excellent point because
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  Speaker 6: I do think there's a certain aspect to that that
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  Speaker 6: is going on with a lot of these high-profile cases.
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  Speaker 6: The muddying the water, so to speak, the varying theories
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  Speaker 6: and disputes that go on around these theories that are
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  Speaker 6: intentionally introduced into these interwebs forums, right? Like these web
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  Speaker 6: sleuth forums and so on and so forth. And really
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  Speaker 6: this case kind of grew along with those forums, the
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  Speaker 6: birth of those forums on the interwebs. There was A
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  Speaker 6: case I went over last week, it recapped some of
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  Speaker 6: the stuff relative to the Maura Murray case. You familiar
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  Speaker 6: with that one?
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  Speaker 5: I haven't looked into it now.
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  Speaker 6: The disappearance of a young college student in a very
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  Speaker 6: mysterious fashion in rural New Hampshire in February of 2004. Now,
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  Speaker 6: there's a lot more details to that, but one thing
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  Speaker 6: you were commenting on with the John Bonnet and the
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  Speaker 6: Madeline McCann case is that, you know, these high profile
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  Speaker 6: cases of missing white girls or murdered white girls, basically.
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  Speaker 3: Right.
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  Speaker 6: There's, there is, there is an argument to be made
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  Speaker 6: about how, you know, so I'm just, I'm saying that
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  Speaker 6: I'm trying to connect to that at the previous point
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  Speaker 6: of they're not real or not. So if you take
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  Speaker 6: that down the logical kind of line of thinking, if
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  Speaker 6: they're generating, you know, so much of this content anyway,
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  Speaker 6: making all this money off of the media and stuff.
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  Speaker 6: I mean, I understand that is an argument to be
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  Speaker 6: made is, are these victims even real? I mean, I
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  Speaker 6: make that argument all the time in the Idaho forward
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  Speaker 6: case with all the kind of the same aspects going
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  Speaker 6: on around that same circumstances and reportings and falsehoods, right.
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  Speaker 6: And all these various theories that are thrown about to
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  Speaker 6: create disputes in these communities. And it really was birthed
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  Speaker 6: with the interwebs. If it wasn't for the interwebs in
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  Speaker 6: these communities, some of these cases, not only are they
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  Speaker 6: white girls or, you know, or white folks. And again,
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  Speaker 6: there is a certain degree of that with the media's
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  Speaker 6: perpetration of, of, of, uh, Natalie Holloway, as you pointed out,
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  Speaker 6: Elizabeth Smart in other cases. Elizabeth Smart was actually found.
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  Speaker 6: So I think that's an interesting study in comparison to
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  Speaker 6: how the parents react. Because you were talking about the
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  Speaker 6: parents in this situation. And again, there's no shortage of
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  Speaker 6: forms blaming the parents in this case. Oh, sure.
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  Speaker 5: I mean, there was even a guy that I found.
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  Speaker 5: He's a lawyer. And all he does on his YouTube
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  Speaker 5: channel is statement analysis. And basically, he just... listens to
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  Speaker 5: people's interviews and testimonies and he'll analyze their statements and
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  Speaker 5: pick out how they're being deceptive and like show you
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  Speaker 5: how bizarre they're like verbiage is. And why would they
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  Speaker 5: say it like this? Or why are they using this word? And,
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  Speaker 5: and he broke down the McCann's testimony and he was like,
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  Speaker 5: there's a lot of stuff here that would, that would,
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  Speaker 5: be considered deceptive but the same thing could be said
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  Speaker 5: about JonBenet's parents same thing could be you can tell
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  Speaker 5: just based on like when you see a parent in
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  Speaker 5: the news and their kid has really been hacked up
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  Speaker 5: and slaughtered by some kind of a satanic ring or
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  Speaker 5: some shit They got the tears and the snot mixed together,
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  Speaker 5: going in the mouth hole. They're distraught. They're red in
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  Speaker 5: the face. And they always divorce their partner. When the
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  Speaker 5: kid dies or goes missing, they always get divorced. The
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  Speaker 5: ones that stayed together, that should be your first red flag.
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  Speaker 5: The Ramseys stayed together. And the McCanns stayed together. After
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  Speaker 5: the murder happened. Or disappearance of their daughter. Red flag.
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  Speaker 5: Number one. Because in a realistic situation. Something like this happens.
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  Speaker 5: Think of it. If it was you. Okay. There's nothing
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  Speaker 5: wrong with my son. And I couldn't stay with his dad.
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  Speaker 5: So something like this happens. You start blaming the other person.
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  Speaker 6: Oh I'm sure there's a lot of resentment for sure. Absolutely.
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  Speaker 5: In the way that this whole story will break it down.
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  Speaker 5: But it's like.
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  Speaker 6: You would.
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  Speaker 5: Have to blame the other person in this situation because
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  Speaker 5: they were taking turns and doing weird stuff about who
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  Speaker 5: was watching her. Unless they're really ride or die and
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  Speaker 5: they're hiding something together, they would have gotten divorced over this.
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  Speaker 6: I don't disagree with you, ma'am. Generally speaking, I think
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  Speaker 6: those are excellent assessments. Generally speaking, you do blame the parents,
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  Speaker 6: but You know, there are exceptions to the rules, so
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  Speaker 6: to speak. I do think that this one might be
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  Speaker 6: such a case where we see the comparison with JonBenet, right?
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  Speaker 6: The grand jury was recommending the indictment, the charges to
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  Speaker 6: indict Jon and Patsy Ramsey for the charges of child endangerment. Basically,
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  Speaker 6: they introduced their child to a situation that led to
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  Speaker 6: her death, right? Because I think they were in some
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  Speaker 6: sort of cult, right? And the McCanns have actually faced
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  Speaker 6: accusations of being in a sex cult.
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  Speaker 5: Yes, and that they were being weird swingers with the
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  Speaker 5: other couples that they were on vacation with. But before
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  Speaker 5: we proceed, we should both just take a moment and
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  Speaker 5: say R.I.P. Dolly Parton's tits and taint. Although she may
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  Speaker 5: have had Yes, she definitely had one, but she may
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  Speaker 5: have had a dismembered infant in both of her titties,
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  Speaker 5: and there are tunnels under Dollywood, but R.I.P. R.I.P.
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  Speaker 6: Yeah, I see a lot of shit-capturing campaigns. I do
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  Speaker 6: think she's a dark individual. There's probably a lot to
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  Speaker 6: be said about that, but I see a lot of A.I.
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  Speaker 6: imagery of her and from from numerous accounts her and
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  Speaker 6: sammy davis jr sitting around like a pentagram and shit
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  Speaker 6: i'm just like all right well it makes me think
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  Speaker 6: she's even darker than i thought if they're gonna go
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  Speaker 6: ahead and send out some ai stuff like that yeah i.
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  Speaker 5: Mean she was definitely probably into some stuff they all
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  Speaker 5: are they hide behind the wholesome country uh facade if
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  Speaker 5: you will because she was a country singer it's a
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  Speaker 5: sassy little dolly so she couldn't have been into anything
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  Speaker 5: but Sometimes they're the worst of the worst of the worst.
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  Speaker 6: If it was a she.
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  Speaker 5: That's what Colby said.
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  Speaker 6: I mean, you genuinely can't tell when they have so
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  Speaker 6: much work done. Right. Right.
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  Speaker 5: And I made the argument. I was like, yeah, but
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  Speaker 5: her voice, she's such a soprano. And then I caught
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  Speaker 5: myself and I was like, so is Michael Jackson. And
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  Speaker 5: we all know, you know, they can alter this stuff.
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  Speaker 5: They can do this stuff.
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  Speaker 6: For sure.
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  Speaker 5: But anyways, I just want to say RIP Dolly's tits
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  Speaker 5: and taint. Any of the listeners out there, Dolly fans,
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  Speaker 5: you can comment Jolene's taint in the comments section.
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  Speaker 6: May those implants survive in perpetuity.
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  Speaker 4: Yes.
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  Speaker 6: Archaeologists will find Delipartan skeleton fossilized remains hundreds of years
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  Speaker 6: from now and say, look at those hips. That's a man.
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  Speaker 6: And look, we found some of these bulgy breast things.
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  Speaker 5: Those are just water sacks that the men used to
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  Speaker 5: carry around on their chests.
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  Speaker 6: Right, right. They'll create, yeah, some sort of mythology around
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  Speaker 6: it without any knowledge, right? Right.
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  Speaker 5: But anyways, so let's break this down, Madeline McCann.
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  Speaker 8: What?
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  Speaker 6: If I may real quick, ma'am, just one point that
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  Speaker 6: I want to make before we get in and break
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  Speaker 6: things down that you kind of already teed up here
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  Speaker 6: in any kind of relation to these, these parents, you know,
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  Speaker 6: maybe they didn't work their own children, right. You know,
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  Speaker 6: be it the Ramseys or the McCann's, maybe they're just
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  Speaker 6: like the, like the McCann's were identified by a grand,
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  Speaker 6: I'm sorry, the Ramseys were identified by a grand jury
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  Speaker 6: that they had culpability in endangering their daughter and putting
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  Speaker 6: that environment. I think the McCann's may fall in that
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  Speaker 6: exact category.
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  Speaker 5: One hundred, even not as a conspiracy theorist. If you
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  Speaker 5: were a normie person looking at this case, they should
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  Speaker 5: have at least went down for child neglect.
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  Speaker 6: For sure. Yeah, they had some questionable circumstances around how
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  Speaker 6: them and all their friends at the Portugal resort, they
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  Speaker 6: all came from the United Kingdom together, how they were
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  Speaker 6: all handling their children.
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  Speaker 5: Yeah, it's actually appalling. that all of them, all the
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  Speaker 5: friends and the McCann's didn't go down for child neglect.
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  Speaker 5: Because once we get into that part of the story,
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  Speaker 5: it's going to be like, to me as a parent,
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  Speaker 5: it's ridiculous what they were doing. Ridiculous.
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  Speaker 6: But so Madeline, my son's an adult now, but when
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  Speaker 6: he was that of that age, I would never do
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  Speaker 6: some stuff. I felt bad looking back, checking in them
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  Speaker 6: like the daycare on a Disney cruise. I'm like, but
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  Speaker 6: I wouldn't, you know, I wouldn't be doing, babysitting with
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  Speaker 6: that disney cruise or something like.
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  Speaker 5: That no and i wouldn't leave them in.
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  Speaker 6: A room on on you know unattended at the age
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  Speaker 6: of four and six years old no.
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  Speaker 5: And the thing is um so madeline mccann is the
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  Speaker 5: oldest out of the mccann's children she's three at the
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  Speaker 5: time and she's got twin siblings that are what one
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  Speaker 5: i think they were one or two one they were
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  Speaker 5: one and she was three about to be four Yeah.
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  Speaker 6: Because they didn't have some complications and this was an
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  Speaker 6: IVF where the twins were IVFs. Yes.
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  Speaker 5: So I think, you know, this all goes as part
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  Speaker 5: of like the tragedy part of it. And it makes
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  Speaker 5: me wonder why they always include this in the documentaries.
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  Speaker 5: But they always start off with.
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  Speaker 5: What the fuck is the mom's name? Kate and Jerry
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  Speaker 5: couldn't get pregnant. And they tried and tried and tried.
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  Speaker 5: And they just couldn't get pregnant. And then finally they
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  Speaker 5: got pregnant with Madeline. And she was like their little princess.
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  Speaker 5: And then they did IVF after Madeline. They got pregnant
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  Speaker 5: with twins. Sean and Emily McCann. And so Madeline was
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  Speaker 5: three going on four. And the twins were like one
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  Speaker 5: years old. Maybe almost two.
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  Speaker 9: I don't know.
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  Speaker 5: And they all decide to go on this vacation. They're
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  Speaker 5: going to get a little R & R. They're going
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  Speaker 5: to team up with all their elite doctor friends, all
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  Speaker 5: upper class individuals. They're all doctors and physicians, whatever. And
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  Speaker 5: they go to Praia de Luz.
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  Speaker 6: It sounds fancier than it looks.
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  Speaker 5: Yeah, it certainly does, but especially for doctors, you would think,
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  Speaker 5: you know, they would have chosen a little bit. They
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  Speaker 5: say it was a, what did they call it, like
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  Speaker 5: a real popular area to go.
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  Speaker 6: Yeah, it was. I mean, there was some wealthy folks there.
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  Speaker 6: For example, Sigmund Freud's great-grandson, Matthew Freud, and his father,
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  Speaker 6: Clement Freud, had a beach house there near, near the resort.
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  Speaker 5: Like it was highly frequented area, I guess you'd say.
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  Speaker 6: I think there was a certain, I think I, I honestly,
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  Speaker 6: I don't even think it was a certain class of
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  Speaker 6: folks in the UK. I think there was a certain
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  Speaker 6: element of folks from the UK. They were into like
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  Speaker 6: weird sexual shit.
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  Speaker 5: Well, I actually found a lot of proof to back
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  Speaker 5: that up about prior to lose specifically because I wanted
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  Speaker 5: to know. If I was a doctor.
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  Speaker 6: Yeah. You want to know what the town's about, right?
• 18:55
  Speaker 6: You want to see what the environment is in the
• 18:57
  Speaker 6: town and whatnot.
• 18:58
  Speaker 10: Yes.
• 18:58
  Speaker 5: Because if I'm a doctor and I have pretty much
• 19:01
  Speaker 5: unlimited funds to take my family anywhere, why would I
• 19:05
  Speaker 5: pick this specific resort?
• 19:09
  Speaker 6: Right.
• 19:09
  Speaker 5: This specific, probably to lose Portugal. Why, why am I
• 19:13
  Speaker 5: picking this? And then I go from there and I
• 19:15
  Speaker 5: found a lot of stuff about this, this city in particular. Um,
• 19:23
  Speaker 5: In this resort, they had a kids club and they
• 19:27
  Speaker 5: had a babysitting service for the parents who wanted to
• 19:33
  Speaker 5: go clap cheeks in the middle of the day and
• 19:35
  Speaker 5: didn't want their kids around. They could just drop them
• 19:38
  Speaker 5: off at this kids club or have a babysitter come
• 19:42
  Speaker 5: into their room and watch the kids while the parents
• 19:46
  Speaker 5: went out, whatever. But they turned down both of those
• 19:48
  Speaker 5: things for the kids.
• 19:50
  Speaker 6: Right.
• 19:51
  Speaker 5: They didn't accept the babysitting service. They turned that down. And, uh, they,
• 19:57
  Speaker 5: they may have done the kids club one or two days.
• 20:00
  Speaker 5: They were there. Cause there's a story about Madeline falling
• 20:04
  Speaker 5: out of like a, A paddle boat or something. And
• 20:08
  Speaker 5: she got washed to shore. And they were scared she
• 20:10
  Speaker 5: was going to drown.
• 20:13
  Speaker 3: I don't know.
• 20:13
  Speaker 5: Maybe it was just foreboding.
• 20:15
  Speaker 7: But.
• 20:17
  Speaker 5: They decided after she fell out of the paddle boat.
• 20:20
  Speaker 5: That they weren't going to do the kids club anymore.
• 20:22
  Speaker 5: Because they just felt like. They weren't watching the kids
• 20:25
  Speaker 5: very good.
• 20:27
  Speaker 2: But.
• 20:29
  Speaker 5: So they set up this. Elaborate system. With their friends.
• 20:33
  Speaker 4: And.
• 20:35
  Speaker 5: That they weren't going to use the kids club or
• 20:36
  Speaker 5: the babysitting service. What they were going to do is
• 20:40
  Speaker 5: leave all of their kids in the room. And they
• 20:44
  Speaker 5: were all going to go down as a friend group.
• 20:46
  Speaker 5: They were going to go down to the resort restaurant
• 20:49
  Speaker 5: called the Tapas. They were all going to go down
• 20:52
  Speaker 5: to the Tapas, leave their kids sleeping unattended in the room.
• 20:57
  Speaker 5: And they were just going to go check on them
• 21:00
  Speaker 5: every 20 to 30 minutes. And this is where shit
• 21:05
  Speaker 5: gets real weird in this story, if you have any comments.
• 21:09
  Speaker 6: And that is the flagrancy right there, right? Mm-hmm. Oh,
• 21:13
  Speaker 6: go ahead. My apologies. I'm cutting out of here.
• 21:16
  Speaker 5: No, I just said if you had any thoughts on that,
• 21:18
  Speaker 5: because this is where it starts to get weird, we'll
• 21:20
  Speaker 5: just leave our kids in the room and just go
• 21:23
  Speaker 5: check on them every 20 minutes.
• 21:25
  Speaker 6: Yeah, I think it's super weird. I mean, does it
• 21:28
  Speaker 6: mean that they were setting someone up to come take
• 21:31
  Speaker 6: their kid away? I mean, I think the idea is open. right?
• 21:35
  Speaker 6: That they were, they were trading their daughter into some,
• 21:37
  Speaker 6: you know, like the end of Eyes Wide Shut where
• 21:39
  Speaker 6: Nicole Kidman and Tom Cruise walk away from the, with
• 21:43
  Speaker 6: their daughter or whatever being given, taken away by them, them,
• 21:46
  Speaker 6: them dudes, right?
• 21:48
  Speaker 5: And it just, think, think, think of this.
• 21:50
  Speaker 6: Okay.
• 21:51
  Speaker 5: Cause they went in shifts. They would send like one
• 21:53
  Speaker 5: of the friends to go check on the kids and
• 21:55
  Speaker 5: then they would come back. And then 20 minutes later,
• 21:58
  Speaker 5: like the dad, Jerry would go check on the kids
• 22:00
  Speaker 5: and then he'd come back. And then the mom, Kate
• 22:02
  Speaker 5: would go check on the kids. But for that to happen,
• 22:06
  Speaker 5: they left the door unlocked. And this wasn't just like
• 22:10
  Speaker 5: a couple feet away from the room. No, they had
• 22:13
  Speaker 5: to leave the resort hotel area. go down across a
• 22:19
  Speaker 5: courtyard through the pool area, through this entire.
• 22:24
  Speaker 9: Yes.
• 22:25
  Speaker 5: Thank you. Thank you. Pulling that up. Love a visual.
• 22:29
  Speaker 5: So the tap ass is over here by the tennis courts.
• 22:33
  Speaker 6: That's what it was called.
• 22:39
  Speaker 5: The tap pass restaurants over here by the tennis courts
• 22:42
  Speaker 5: in the fucking rooms. Look at, look at what, look
• 22:44
  Speaker 5: at all you have. Well, you have to walk through
• 22:46
  Speaker 5: to get to tap pass and they're leaving their kids
• 22:49
  Speaker 5: in the room with the door locked and just going
• 22:53
  Speaker 5: to check on him every 20 to 30 minutes. And
• 22:56
  Speaker 5: actually the tap ass staff said that that timeline ain't
• 23:01
  Speaker 5: actually what happened because they were.
• 23:04
  Speaker 6: So the tap ass was this building by the tennis
• 23:06
  Speaker 6: courts between the, Between the tennis courts and the pool? Right.
• 23:11
  Speaker 5: The tap pass is that big one right there.
• 23:13
  Speaker 6: And their rooms are on the backside of, if I'm
• 23:15
  Speaker 6: not mistaken, this building on the right, I believe, right?
• 23:18
  Speaker 5: The building on the right, if you zoom in, it'll
• 23:21
  Speaker 5: be that first room. Keep going over.
• 23:25
  Speaker 2: Nope.
• 23:26
  Speaker 5: The other over.
• 23:26
  Speaker 6: Yep.
• 23:27
  Speaker 5: It's that room right there.
• 23:28
  Speaker 6: Right here?
• 23:29
  Speaker 5: So keep going over just a smidge.
• 23:33
  Speaker 7: Yes.
• 23:34
  Speaker 5: Right there in the courtyard. It's got like its own
• 23:36
  Speaker 5: private little.
• 23:38
  Speaker 6: So does it stretch both sides? Because it goes to
• 23:40
  Speaker 6: the backside, right? This is the window she allegedly.
• 23:42
  Speaker 5: Yeah, it's the closest to the street. It was that
• 23:46
  Speaker 5: first room closest to the street.
• 23:49
  Speaker 6: Gotcha.
• 23:49
  Speaker 5: So they said they were going every 30 minutes or so.
• 23:54
  Speaker 5: The staff at the Tapas restaurant says that they were
• 23:57
  Speaker 5: going every hour or so.
• 24:00
  Speaker 6: Right, and they would trade off couples, right? So that's
• 24:03
  Speaker 6: allegedly why they were leaving it unlocked, right? Because then
• 24:05
  Speaker 6: the Tanner family would go at one point, right? One
• 24:07
  Speaker 6: of the tanners would go, and the next check would
• 24:10
  Speaker 6: be one of the McCanns, and the next check would
• 24:12
  Speaker 6: be one of the Smiths, one of the other couples.
• 24:15
  Speaker 5: One of the other couples. So they're all down there
• 24:18
  Speaker 5: throwing back margaritos, rubbing thighs together, getting real cozy down
• 24:23
  Speaker 5: at the tap-ass restaurant, and their fucking kids are alone
• 24:27
  Speaker 5: in the hotel room with the door unlocked, and they're
• 24:29
  Speaker 5: haphazardly going back to check on them. And you might
• 24:32
  Speaker 5: be thinking to yourself, well, they only did it that
• 24:35
  Speaker 5: one night. No, they didn't. They did it every single
• 24:40
  Speaker 5: night for five days straight before this incident occurred.
• 24:45
  Speaker 7: There you go.
• 24:46
  Speaker 6: I think that's a salient characteristic right there, ma'am, if
• 24:48
  Speaker 6: I may, because this became a pattern. I'm just saying,
• 24:51
  Speaker 6: let's say, for example, in these instances that you're describing,
• 24:55
  Speaker 6: you're doing an excellent job, ma'am. I appreciate that. Let's
• 24:58
  Speaker 6: assume that perhaps there's no culpability. These people are just
• 25:02
  Speaker 6: flagrantly not taking care of their children or taking care
• 25:05
  Speaker 6: of their children in a very negligent manner flagrantly kind
• 25:08
  Speaker 6: of negligent manner because leaving all these doors unlocked and
• 25:10
  Speaker 6: shit you know maybe there's i'm just saying there could
• 25:14
  Speaker 6: be a member of the staff or something that took
• 25:16
  Speaker 6: note of this behavior by by day five right.
• 25:19
  Speaker 5: I said that in my i said that in my
• 25:21
  Speaker 5: episode it might have been on the patreon part but
• 25:24
  Speaker 5: i said how come nobody from the fucking tap ass
• 25:26
  Speaker 5: was interviewed when she went missing everybody the tap ass
• 25:30
  Speaker 5: knows they have reservations every night at 8 30 and
• 25:33
  Speaker 5: they always leave their kids unlocked in the room Everybody
• 25:36
  Speaker 5: at the tap ass knows.
• 25:37
  Speaker 6: And everyone in the staff will know it after that.
• 25:39
  Speaker 6: Cause everyone in the staff talks. Yes. And even if
• 25:43
  Speaker 6: it's just talking shit, like, can you believe these dumb
• 25:45
  Speaker 6: white British doctors are leaving their kid? You know, it
• 25:48
  Speaker 6: could be something, it's something to that remark.
• 25:50
  Speaker 3: Yeah.
• 25:50
  Speaker 5: Because when I tell you what's been going on in
• 25:54
  Speaker 5: prior to lose, it's going to make so much more
• 25:56
  Speaker 5: sense how the staff could be connected and what possibly
• 26:00
  Speaker 5: could have happened because.
• 26:02
  Speaker 6: That's kind of what I was thinking too, is this is,
• 26:04
  Speaker 6: It's a real, it's a den of vipers. This whole
• 26:06
  Speaker 6: beach town.
• 26:07
  Speaker 5: This entire beach town is full of fucking child sex
• 26:13
  Speaker 5: trafficking rings. And when I break this down, you're going
• 26:15
  Speaker 5: to shit your tank because the staff absolutely could have
• 26:20
  Speaker 5: planned this whole shit out because they knew they had, they,
• 26:25
  Speaker 5: every night they were going to be for like two weeks,
• 26:27
  Speaker 5: five days in a row. They had eight 30 dinner
• 26:29
  Speaker 5: reservations and they knew they left their kids unlocked in
• 26:32
  Speaker 5: those fucking rooms. The night in question, I'll break this
• 26:37
  Speaker 5: timeline down for you. So 8.30 dinner reservations. The first check,
• 26:43
  Speaker 5: they say, was 9 o'clock. One of the male friends,
• 26:47
  Speaker 5: I think the Tanner guy, goes to check on the kids.
• 26:50
  Speaker 6: Yeah, I was about to say, that's what this map is.
• 26:52
  Speaker 6: The first check, the Tanners.
• 26:55
  Speaker 5: Yeah, the Tanners go.
• 26:56
  Speaker 6: I don't read Portuguese. Do you read Portuguese?
• 26:59
  Speaker 5: I do not, but I got to break down right
• 27:01
  Speaker 5: here for you. They say they were going.
• 27:06
  Speaker 6: Every five minutes. The map's in Portuguese. I can't read Portuguese.
• 27:10
  Speaker 5: JJ, just the thought of them trying to convince anybody
• 27:14
  Speaker 5: that they were getting up every five minutes to go
• 27:16
  Speaker 5: check on the kids. What were they playing? Musical chairs?
• 27:23
  Speaker 6: Every five minutes, one of them was getting up.
• 27:24
  Speaker 5: Are they inebriated?
• 27:26
  Speaker 6: There's a lot of things that draw into question. I
• 27:28
  Speaker 6: question every aspect of this investigation and whatnot, how it
• 27:32
  Speaker 6: was handled from there. to date like the way they're
• 27:34
  Speaker 6: handling it to date but so here's that's a great
• 27:36
  Speaker 6: question there hp so here we got the the pride
• 27:40
  Speaker 6: to lose resort the it's about a half a mile
• 27:42
  Speaker 6: to the beach from there about about a quarter a
• 27:45
  Speaker 6: little over a quarter mile we'll call it a third
• 27:47
  Speaker 6: of a mile because from here to here is three
• 27:50
  Speaker 6: quarters of a mile where the freudville is that red
• 27:53
  Speaker 6: dot to that red dot three quarters of a mile It's.
• 27:57
  Speaker 5: Close enough that if you wanted to be gone with her,
• 28:00
  Speaker 5: you could be gone with her.
• 28:01
  Speaker 6: And that's, and we see, we see witness statements next
• 28:04
  Speaker 6: to this pub, the Plo and Pato club pub. I'm sorry. Uh,
• 28:08
  Speaker 6: by the Smith family, this Irish family that was in
• 28:10
  Speaker 6: the beach town that, so they had, we'll get into
• 28:13
  Speaker 6: those sightings later, but there is, there is evidence of
• 28:16
  Speaker 6: sightings from the, from the resort towards the beach.
• 28:20
  Speaker 5: I'm sure. And, uh, There's another place that we'll look
• 28:24
  Speaker 5: at in just a minute that's off close to this
• 28:27
  Speaker 5: resort where they were doing some pretty nasty stuff with kids.
• 28:31
  Speaker 6: All right. I'm not excited about the nasty stuff, but
• 28:35
  Speaker 6: that sounds like some good things.
• 28:36
  Speaker 5: It's going to bring it all the way home once
• 28:40
  Speaker 5: you find out. So 8.30 dinner, 9 o'clock, Tanner goes.
• 28:45
  Speaker 5: Five minutes later, Jerry goes. And then they say at 9.30...
• 28:52
  Speaker 5: one of the other male friends goes to check. So
• 28:57
  Speaker 5: now we've made it to 10 p.m. So 8.30 dinner,
• 29:02
  Speaker 5: 9 o'clock Tanner, five minutes later, Jerry, 9.30, another friend.
• 29:08
  Speaker 5: And now we're at 10 o'clock, Kate goes to do
• 29:11
  Speaker 5: the checks. And she claims she saw light coming through
• 29:15
  Speaker 5: the door.
• 29:16
  Speaker 6: The window was open. I have her statements right here
• 29:19
  Speaker 6: if you want me to play it. Oh, sure, yeah.
• 29:21
  Speaker 5: Let's see what she had to say. Cause I just
• 29:24
  Speaker 5: got a quick summary of it here.
• 29:25
  Speaker 6: Oh, and by all means, I didn't want to interrupt you,
• 29:28
  Speaker 6: but I think this is a good clip to see
• 29:30
  Speaker 6: how the parents are still handling themselves. As you pointed out,
• 29:33
  Speaker 6: they are still together and, you know, and they've always,
• 29:37
  Speaker 6: you know, I, again, I've looked at them in the
• 29:38
  Speaker 6: past and been like, well, they, could be they definitely
• 29:41
  Speaker 6: could be responsible and more culpable than just putting their
• 29:44
  Speaker 6: child in an endangered environment but you know they also
• 29:47
  Speaker 6: could just be in a state of shock but they
• 29:49
  Speaker 6: they do they they have made weird statements there's no
• 29:52
  Speaker 6: that's what I'm saying there's no there's no but that
• 29:54
  Speaker 6: doesn't mean they're not trying to hide something else you
• 29:56
  Speaker 6: know what I mean it becomes very Very complicated, but
• 29:59
  Speaker 6: I do think it's interesting to watch how they still,
• 30:01
  Speaker 6: this was just, I think this was from 20, 20, well,
• 30:07
  Speaker 6: I don't know. It's in recent years. It's in recent years.
• 30:10
  Speaker 7: I went through up to our bedroom and when she
• 30:12
  Speaker 7: wasn't there, that was when the panic first set in.
• 30:15
  Speaker 7: And as I rushed back into the children's bedroom, that
• 30:18
  Speaker 7: was the point. And I guess it was chance that
• 30:20
  Speaker 7: it just happened to be a gust of wind that
• 30:21
  Speaker 7: suddenly the curtains that were closed over just.
• 30:25
  Speaker 7: And that's when I saw that the shutter had been
• 30:27
  Speaker 7: raised and the window was pushed right across. And that's
• 30:31
  Speaker 7: when I knew. I didn't have any doubt, really. I
• 30:34
  Speaker 7: knew that somebody had taken our daughter. And you ran back.
• 30:42
  Speaker 6: So she says she knew immediately, right?
• 30:46
  Speaker 5: Yeah. See, this is the problem. She's been highly composed
• 30:53
  Speaker 5: from the get fucking go.
• 30:55
  Speaker 6: I mean, I know they're doctors, but I mean, that's really,
• 30:58
  Speaker 6: they're composed for sure.
• 31:00
  Speaker 5: You know, anytime they've ever been interviewed, they've been oddly composed.
• 31:05
  Speaker 5: And for her, so she ran back to the tapas
• 31:08
  Speaker 5: after making this discovery, and she just started shouting in
• 31:11
  Speaker 5: the middle of the tapas restaurant, they've taken Maddie, they've
• 31:15
  Speaker 5: taken Maddie. And I feel like that's some odd verbiage
• 31:19
  Speaker 5: to use.
• 31:20
  Speaker 4: Dave.
• 31:22
  Speaker 6: Right, Dave, right? Is that what you're saying? Like, Dave taken?
• 31:25
  Speaker 6: That's what I'm saying. That is odd, right?
• 31:27
  Speaker 5: Not, Maddie's gone. Not, where is Maddie?
• 31:30
  Speaker 6: Or, I can't find Maddie, right?
• 31:31
  Speaker 5: I can't find Maddie. Maddie's missing. She doesn't say any
• 31:35
  Speaker 5: of that. She says, they've taken Maddie. They've taken Maddie.
• 31:39
  Speaker 5: They've taken Maddie. Like, why was that the first thing?
• 31:45
  Speaker 5: If you're not involved or don't know anything the fuck
• 31:47
  Speaker 5: that's going on, The first thing that pop out of
• 31:50
  Speaker 5: your mouth is they've taken Maddie.
• 31:53
  Speaker 6: I think they know a lot more than they've let
• 31:54
  Speaker 6: on publicly. And what they said to investigators is you
• 31:58
  Speaker 6: never know. Because I think the person that got closest
• 32:02
  Speaker 6: to this investigation was the private detective hired by the family.
• 32:10
  Speaker 5: Well, if you get too close, shit pops up to
• 32:13
  Speaker 5: make it to where you can't figure out what really happened.
• 32:16
  Speaker 6: And I think that's the story of Kevin Halligan. We
• 32:18
  Speaker 6: can get into that when we get into some of
• 32:19
  Speaker 6: the theories here. But I don't want to get you
• 32:21
  Speaker 6: too far off because we do see she goes back
• 32:24
  Speaker 6: to the tapas. And then suddenly they convene a search.
• 32:31
  Speaker 6: But it's a very lackluster search, right?
• 32:34
  Speaker 5: Very lackluster search. But what they do. And now let's
• 32:38
  Speaker 5: just think about this here for a second, JJ. If
• 32:41
  Speaker 5: the door was unlocked, why use the window at all? Okay,
• 32:48
  Speaker 5: if the door is wide the fuck open, why would
• 32:52
  Speaker 5: an abductor come through the window?
• 32:54
  Speaker 6: Yeah, right? If the door's unlocked, why wouldn't they go
• 32:59
  Speaker 6: back out the same way they came in, right? It
• 33:03
  Speaker 6: looks less suspicious. And in that same regard, we get
• 33:06
  Speaker 6: the Tanner statement later from the Tap-Ass 7, and she's
• 33:10
  Speaker 6: making statements like she saw some guy carrying a young
• 33:12
  Speaker 6: blonde girl. I'm like, I've always thought, well, shouldn't she
• 33:15
  Speaker 6: know whether or not she saw Madeline? She's one of
• 33:18
  Speaker 6: the family's friends. She's checking on Madeline.
• 33:22
  Speaker 5: Yeah, she's probably spent enough time with Madeline. It's like
• 33:26
  Speaker 5: a family member or something. You would know immediately if
• 33:29
  Speaker 5: that child was Madeline or not.
• 33:32
  Speaker 6: Right, right. And it was, yeah, nine days before her
• 33:34
  Speaker 6: fourth birthday. She was almost four years old.
• 33:37
  Speaker 5: Now, the only prints they ever found on the window
• 33:41
  Speaker 5: belonged to Kate McCann. And if you look at the
• 33:44
  Speaker 5: case of JonBenet, what did they do? They blamed the
• 33:47
  Speaker 5: fucking basement fucking window. And it's been found a thousand
• 33:52
  Speaker 5: times over that that was completely staged. There was no
• 33:55
  Speaker 5: tracks in the snow leading to or from the fucking
• 33:58
  Speaker 5: basement window. That window had been broken for years. It
• 34:03
  Speaker 5: wasn't freshly broken. Nobody came in through the window to
• 34:06
  Speaker 5: get JonBenet. And what are they doing with Madeline in this?
• 34:10
  Speaker 5: Somebody came in through the window, but the only prints
• 34:12
  Speaker 5: on the window belongs to Kate and the fucking door
• 34:15
  Speaker 5: was open. So if somebody was going to kidnap, why
• 34:17
  Speaker 5: the fuck would they do all the extra hoopla of
• 34:19
  Speaker 5: getting in and out of a window?
• 34:21
  Speaker 6: And why did they only take one of the three
• 34:23
  Speaker 6: children inside the apartment?
• 34:25
  Speaker 5: That's what I'm saying, JJ. Why, if you are a
• 34:30
  Speaker 5: child molester, would you go for the older of the
• 34:32
  Speaker 5: three children? And not the boy, by the way, because
• 34:35
  Speaker 5: the boys are always coveted. It's a blonde-haired, blue-eyed, one-year-old
• 34:40
  Speaker 5: boy sleeping right next to Madeline. And you going for
• 34:44
  Speaker 5: the older kid? My ass.
• 34:47
  Speaker 6: And if you was really... Literally the same room. Literally
• 34:49
  Speaker 6: the same room.
• 34:50
  Speaker 5: They were sleeping like two feet apart from each other.
• 34:53
  Speaker 6: Yeah, they're right here. Right.
• 34:55
  Speaker 5: So what I'm saying is, if you in one of
• 34:57
  Speaker 5: these weird rings or whatever that takes kids... You didn't
• 35:02
  Speaker 5: even go for the one-year-old girl, which would have been
• 35:05
  Speaker 5: way more valuable than an almost four-year-old girl. And you
• 35:09
  Speaker 5: didn't go for the one-year-old boy. which is highly coveted
• 35:13
  Speaker 5: in these rings. An Aryan, blonde-haired, blue-eyed boy sleeping right there.
• 35:19
  Speaker 5: You passed him up and the other little girl. You
• 35:22
  Speaker 5: went for the three-year-old? I don't think so, J.J. I
• 35:26
  Speaker 5: know that's dark and it's hard to talk about that
• 35:28
  Speaker 5: kind of stuff, but they wouldn't have taken Madeline. They
• 35:31
  Speaker 5: would have taken the twins.
• 35:33
  Speaker 6: That's what I'm saying as far as maybe the parents
• 35:35
  Speaker 6: were in some sort of weird sex cult business and
• 35:38
  Speaker 6: selling their daughter off.
• 35:41
  Speaker 5: Maybe because they had a fondness for the twins more
• 35:45
  Speaker 5: than Madeline. I don't really know, but I got thoughts
• 35:48
  Speaker 5: on it.
• 35:50
  Speaker 6: Yeah. Cause they're still with it. They still were raising,
• 35:52
  Speaker 6: you know, they raised the twins since then. So the
• 35:54
  Speaker 6: twins are adults now. Right.
• 35:56
  Speaker 5: They, they might've had, you know, it's like an honor
• 35:58
  Speaker 5: when you're in one of these rings to sacrifice.
• 36:01
  Speaker 6: That's what I'm getting at. They may have gotten status
• 36:04
  Speaker 6: from it. Right.
• 36:05
  Speaker 5: The status for sure.
• 36:08
  Speaker 6: For sure. Whether or not they got status from that
• 36:10
  Speaker 6: or not, I think it shouldn't be ignored that they
• 36:13
  Speaker 6: immediately began associating and staying at the house of one
• 36:16
  Speaker 6: Clement Freud, an ardent kid diddler, BBC star, celebrity chef,
• 36:22
  Speaker 6: and head of the Liberal Party for the UK Parliament.
• 36:26
  Speaker 5: Jesus Christ. See, I didn't even know that. I thought
• 36:29
  Speaker 5: they were at a fucking Airbnb.
• 36:31
  Speaker 6: No, they were staying at Clement Freud's house. He came in.
• 36:33
  Speaker 6: He's like, hey, I'll save the day. You guys can
• 36:36
  Speaker 6: stay at my house.
• 36:37
  Speaker 5: Oh, my God.
• 36:39
  Speaker 6: That's his house right here, the Freud Villa. And it's
• 36:42
  Speaker 6: three quarters of a mile as the crow flies from
• 36:44
  Speaker 6: the resort.
• 36:46
  Speaker 5: Oh, my God.
• 36:48
  Speaker 6: But that's where they stayed at until the Portuguese authorities
• 36:51
  Speaker 6: charged them, right? Because they eventually do get charged. They're
• 36:55
  Speaker 6: identified as suspects, at least publicly. And that's when they
• 36:57
  Speaker 6: beat feet out of Portugal, right? Yeah.
• 37:00
  Speaker 5: The second the Portugal police started coming for them, they
• 37:06
  Speaker 5: got the fuck out of there and they were like,
• 37:08
  Speaker 5: we'll never leave until we find Maddie. And they were like, actually,
• 37:11
  Speaker 5: we kind of think you're suspects. And they're like, bye bitches.
• 37:15
  Speaker 5: And they got on a plane and got hightailed it
• 37:17
  Speaker 5: the fuck out of there.
• 37:18
  Speaker 6: Yeah. Clement Freud's connected to Seville. He's connected to all
• 37:21
  Speaker 6: of the, all of the dark Muppet diddlers in the UK.
• 37:25
  Speaker 5: That's disgusting. And you know, it, it really, so there
• 37:28
  Speaker 5: was no sign of a forced entry. There was no
• 37:32
  Speaker 5: sign of a struggle. The bed sheets were delicately pulled
• 37:35
  Speaker 5: back as if she was lifted out of the bed
• 37:38
  Speaker 5: by someone she knew. There wasn't like a tassel. Her
• 37:44
  Speaker 5: favorite blanket that she supposedly slept with was folded and
• 37:48
  Speaker 5: placed on the bed as if it weren't in use
• 37:51
  Speaker 5: at all. And the cuddle cat that she always slept
• 37:55
  Speaker 5: with and wouldn't go anywhere without was also left in
• 37:59
  Speaker 5: the bed. So tell me your thoughts on this.
• 38:06
  Speaker 6: I mean, I genuinely think that there's individuals within the
• 38:10
  Speaker 6: staff of the resort that were involved in this abduction.
• 38:14
  Speaker 6: And again, I'm not saying that the parents were completely
• 38:17
  Speaker 6: absolved of any liability because I do think they were
• 38:19
  Speaker 6: involved in a lot of weird shit and may have
• 38:21
  Speaker 6: in fact sold their daughter into some sort of sex slavery.
• 38:25
  Speaker 5: And I think the fact that Kate... after Madeline's disappearance,
• 38:30
  Speaker 5: would carry that fucking cuddle cat everywhere. And it's almost
• 38:36
  Speaker 5: like it was hidden in plain sight that the cuddle
• 38:38
  Speaker 5: cat actually has more to do in this story than
• 38:42
  Speaker 5: what meets the eye. And we can talk about that.
• 38:46
  Speaker 6: Yeah, I heard you mention that. I'd like to hear
• 38:48
  Speaker 6: more about that for sure. But are you familiar with
• 38:50
  Speaker 6: this case, disappearance of Amy Lynn Bradley?
• 38:52
  Speaker 5: I am not.
• 38:55
  Speaker 6: So she disappeared on a Royal Caribbean cruise ship literally
• 38:58
  Speaker 6: from the ship, while out at sea and nowhere to
• 39:03
  Speaker 6: be seen. And identified early on in the investigation was
• 39:08
  Speaker 6: employees on the Royal Caribbean crew staff in her disappearance.
• 39:13
  Speaker 5: Would they do grind her up and put her in
• 39:15
  Speaker 5: the spaghetti bolognese?
• 39:18
  Speaker 6: Yeah, there's implication, at least it was implied, that maybe
• 39:21
  Speaker 6: they knew ways through cargo elevators and stuff to get
• 39:24
  Speaker 6: things on and off the ship without, you know, being witnessed.
• 39:28
  Speaker 6: So she was sold into sex slavery, allegedly, too.
• 39:31
  Speaker 5: Okay.
• 39:32
  Speaker 2: Wow.
• 39:35
  Speaker 6: But Royal Caribbean has obviously been mum's the word. They
• 39:38
  Speaker 6: don't want to, you know, obviously implicate themselves in it,
• 39:41
  Speaker 6: even if it was one of their employees, right? So,
• 39:43
  Speaker 6: you know, I think the way I look at this
• 39:45
  Speaker 6: search that went on that night and Pride to Lose,
• 39:49
  Speaker 6: And honestly, naming the parents of suspects later is they
• 39:53
  Speaker 6: didn't want any heat on them. It takes all the
• 39:55
  Speaker 6: heat off of Portugal, generally speaking, and the resort. The
• 39:58
  Speaker 6: resort's like, well, if we don't look for your daughter,
• 40:01
  Speaker 6: then we're never going to find your daughter, right?
• 40:03
  Speaker 5: That's very true. And they also bring in a slew
• 40:07
  Speaker 5: of quote-unquote suspects that are totally random, bizarre.
• 40:11
  Speaker 6: And they're ridiculous. To this day, they do that. The
• 40:15
  Speaker 6: German fellow's ridiculous.
• 40:16
  Speaker 11: Oh, sure.
• 40:17
  Speaker 5: The German fellow was ridiculous. There was a guy with
• 40:20
  Speaker 5: one little tiny eye on one side that was like
• 40:23
  Speaker 5: half blind. And he was just trying to help. What
• 40:29
  Speaker 5: do they call it? Interpret what the police were saying
• 40:34
  Speaker 5: to the McCann's because they didn't speak Spanish or whatever.
• 40:38
  Speaker 4: Yeah.
• 40:39
  Speaker 6: They had a translator come in this. Oh, I'm going
• 40:41
  Speaker 6: to be a translator. That's what I'm saying. We see
• 40:43
  Speaker 6: this weird network. that comes around the McCann family in
• 40:45
  Speaker 6: the immediate aftermath of Madeline's disappearance on May 3rd, 2007.
• 40:49
  Speaker 6: And that is this interpreter. He's like, I'm a, just a,
• 40:52
  Speaker 6: I'm just gonna, I'm a Mr. I'm going to help
• 40:54
  Speaker 6: you out. And, and I think that guy was playing
• 40:57
  Speaker 6: a role in which then he could later say, well,
• 40:59
  Speaker 6: these folks are lying to me and none of they
• 41:02
  Speaker 6: could push the blame on the parents when it became
• 41:04
  Speaker 6: the right time. Cause I do think that there was,
• 41:06
  Speaker 6: you know, obviously taking this girl, regardless of the parents
• 41:09
  Speaker 6: were involved in or not in her abduction and Well,
• 41:13
  Speaker 6: that's obviously going to create headlines. I'm not sure it
• 41:15
  Speaker 6: was expected to create the headlines as it did and
• 41:18
  Speaker 6: still does, but I don't know. I also think that
• 41:22
  Speaker 6: they had an intent to, at some point in time,
• 41:25
  Speaker 6: push the blame on the parents.
• 41:30
  Speaker 5: They did. I think the parents do know stuff.
• 41:34
  Speaker 6: The McCanns do have handlers, and that's an interesting point
• 41:36
  Speaker 6: because the McCanns handlers go right back to the Freud family.
• 41:41
  Speaker 5: Now, is the millionaire guy that was helping the McCanns out,
• 41:46
  Speaker 5: is he connected to this Freud stuff?
• 41:49
  Speaker 6: He's not connected to Freud, but we see the roundabout
• 41:54
  Speaker 6: way that the investigation conducted by the investigators. So this
• 41:57
  Speaker 6: millionaire benefactor is like, I'm going to hire these investigators.
• 42:01
  Speaker 6: It's Oakley International, which is all former CIA, FBI, MI6,
• 42:06
  Speaker 6: and MI5. So it's basically the Five Eyes program, essentially, right?
• 42:10
  Speaker 6: And as one of those investigators, a former MI6 undercover guy,
• 42:14
  Speaker 6: undercover kind of special agent dude, Kevin Halligan, he actually
• 42:18
  Speaker 6: did some, I would declare some honest investigation, objective investigation
• 42:23
  Speaker 6: of this matter. He's been lambasted with all sorts of claims,
• 42:27
  Speaker 6: fraud charges by the Department of Justice. And then he
• 42:31
  Speaker 6: died under an unfortunate mistake of falling down the stairs
• 42:35
  Speaker 6: while drunk. See what I'm saying?
• 42:39
  Speaker 5: If you get too close, they make sure, you know.
• 42:45
  Speaker 6: Shit happens. The PR guy that runs around for the
• 42:49
  Speaker 6: McCann family is literally works for the Matthew Freud Communications
• 42:55
  Speaker 6: PR firm.
• 42:57
  Speaker 5: See, that just makes so much more sense to me
• 42:59
  Speaker 5: now that you're saying that because they have constant representation
• 43:04
  Speaker 5: throughout this whole thing. I thought it was because they
• 43:07
  Speaker 5: were so emotionally retarded during these interviews that people were
• 43:11
  Speaker 5: starting to catch wind. Like, why aren't these people more
• 43:14
  Speaker 5: emotional about their kid being missing? So they pushed these
• 43:18
  Speaker 5: like front men out there to talk for him because
• 43:20
  Speaker 5: they were making themselves look horrible. Never crying, never looked upset,
• 43:25
  Speaker 5: never really showed a lot of emotion. And then all
• 43:28
  Speaker 5: of a sudden they got these people that started talking
• 43:30
  Speaker 5: for them. So I was like, this is all just
• 43:34
  Speaker 5: part of the cover-up.
• 43:36
  Speaker 6: Yeah, so the guy who owned that beach house, the
• 43:38
  Speaker 6: Freud Beach House, was actually Matthew Freud. His father, Clement,
• 43:42
  Speaker 6: was living there, but Matthew owned it on paper. Now,
• 43:44
  Speaker 6: Matthew Freud, PR Communications, they're everywhere in the UK. They
• 43:49
  Speaker 6: do music and movie star agent management as well, right?
• 43:54
  Speaker 6: Like Sylvester Stallone used to be a client. The Fine
• 43:57
  Speaker 6: Young Cannibals, you remember that one hit wonder from the 90s?
• 44:00
  Speaker 6: I love them. They were managed by Matthew Freud. Matthew
• 44:06
  Speaker 6: Freud's married to Rupert Murdoch's daughter. So their children are,
• 44:11
  Speaker 6: I believe, the only grandchildren of Rupert Murdoch.
• 44:14
  Speaker 5: That's so crazy. Did you know Jeffrey Dahmer's favorite band
• 44:19
  Speaker 5: was the Fine Young Cannibals? I just made that up.
• 44:23
  Speaker 5: But it's all connected. And there's an even bigger... It's
• 44:29
  Speaker 5: kind of like... like how the Wonderland raids exposed a
• 44:36
  Speaker 5: lot of the, you know what I mean?
• 44:38
  Speaker 6: It's, it's this, this, what are the Wonderland raids?
• 44:42
  Speaker 5: The Wonderland raids, John Bonnet's family was caught up in
• 44:45
  Speaker 5: the Wonderland raids. People were finding photos of John Bonnet
• 44:48
  Speaker 5: on people's computer. Um, yeah, see right here, Wonderland raids,
• 44:55
  Speaker 5: operation cathedral, um, the Wonderland Club. It was active in
• 45:02
  Speaker 5: Praia de Luz as well. 13 countries. Yes, you've got
• 45:07
  Speaker 5: JonBenet and Madeline McKinnon because this Wonderland Club, it was
• 45:14
  Speaker 5: throughout Colorado where the JonBenet stuff occurred. It was running
• 45:18
  Speaker 5: through Praia de Luz. And what are the coincidences that
• 45:26
  Speaker 5: something like that would happen to JonBenet and something like
• 45:28
  Speaker 5: this would happen to Madeline McCann in the same wonderland
• 45:31
  Speaker 5: club is running in both Colorado and pride to lose.
• 45:36
  Speaker 5: And none of this shit is making sense. None of
• 45:39
  Speaker 5: this shit made sense with JonBenet. And the parents are,
• 45:43
  Speaker 5: are oddly, the parents are what? Just like the Ramseys,
• 45:46
  Speaker 5: upper-class elite, uh, high profile physicians. And, you know, you
• 45:54
  Speaker 5: just have to wonder like, Could it be, as conspiracy theorists,
• 46:01
  Speaker 5: and we've been around the block a few times, could
• 46:03
  Speaker 5: we not use our investigative skills to put some pieces
• 46:10
  Speaker 5: together that this is probably connected?
• 46:16
  Speaker 6: I think it is, and I think that's what I'm
• 46:18
  Speaker 6: getting at as far as, you know, when anyone who's
• 46:21
  Speaker 6: done a legitimate investigation of this gets completely persecuted and
• 46:25
  Speaker 6: just completely lambasted for being a piece of shit. So
• 46:27
  Speaker 6: like they say this Kevin Halligan. So the official, so
• 46:31
  Speaker 6: after the, when I say the lack, we go back
• 46:32
  Speaker 6: to that lackluster investigation on ground by the resort. They
• 46:36
  Speaker 6: basically didn't want nothing to do with it. Weeks would
• 46:38
  Speaker 6: go by before the Portuguese authorities really wanted to, to
• 46:41
  Speaker 6: stir up an actual, you know, a large scale situation.
• 46:45
  Speaker 6: And again, I think a lot of that stuff was
• 46:46
  Speaker 6: all controlled as well. I think so many aspects of
• 46:49
  Speaker 6: this case have been, very intricately controlled because it connects
• 46:52
  Speaker 6: to networks like that Wonderland operation.
• 46:55
  Speaker 5: Yes, and what are your thoughts then? This is where
• 47:00
  Speaker 5: I think the parents have to kind of sort of
• 47:02
  Speaker 5: be involved because they bring in these blood sniffer dogs
• 47:07
  Speaker 5: to the hotel where Madeline disappeared. The blood sniffer dog,
• 47:14
  Speaker 5: they brought in a blood sniffer dog and a cadaver
• 47:17
  Speaker 5: sniffer dog. And both of the dogs, independently of each other,
• 47:23
  Speaker 5: alerted in the same areas of the hotel room. Right.
• 47:29
  Speaker 5: They were brought to the McCann's rental car. And they
• 47:33
  Speaker 5: both independently alerted to the trunk of the McCann's car.
• 47:39
  Speaker 5: For dead body smell and blood. So, and Jerry, the father...
• 47:46
  Speaker 5: was like, well, we had some dirty diapers back there
• 47:49
  Speaker 5: in the trunk of the car. So maybe the Jerry,
• 47:52
  Speaker 5: these are highly specialized, trained, dead body sniffing ass dogs.
• 47:58
  Speaker 5: They not picking up on a dirty fucking diaper. And
• 48:02
  Speaker 5: so there was obviously dead body smell and blood smell
• 48:06
  Speaker 5: in the hotel room. And dead body smell and blood
• 48:10
  Speaker 5: smell in the trunk of the McCann's. rental car which
• 48:13
  Speaker 5: they got weeks after she disappeared so it's like what
• 48:16
  Speaker 5: did you what did they do like keep her body
• 48:18
  Speaker 5: fucking somewhere and then transport it in the back of
• 48:22
  Speaker 5: the car they also alerted at the freud's villa for
• 48:27
  Speaker 5: dead body smell and blood smell specifically the cuddle cat
• 48:34
  Speaker 5: kate hid the cuddle cat at the freud villa she
• 48:38
  Speaker 5: hid it in a cabinet and put a bunch of
• 48:41
  Speaker 5: books in front of it, and they still smelled it.
• 48:45
  Speaker 5: The police opened the cabinet, removed all the books, the
• 48:48
  Speaker 5: dogs were alerting that there was something in there, and
• 48:51
  Speaker 5: they pulled out the fucking cuddle cat, and the dogs
• 48:54
  Speaker 5: barked their heads off. So, from the hotel room, to
• 48:58
  Speaker 5: the rental car, to the Freud's villa, the dogs are
• 49:02
  Speaker 5: alerting that there's dead body smell and blood smell.
• 49:05
  Speaker 6: So....
• 49:07
  Speaker 5: I can only surmise if the dogs are accurate in
• 49:11
  Speaker 5: three different locations that they may have put her body
• 49:15
  Speaker 5: in a suitcase and was driving around with it and
• 49:19
  Speaker 5: disposed of it later.
• 49:20
  Speaker 6: Later. I think it's possible. Which dogs were these? Remind me.
• 49:25
  Speaker 6: Refresh my brain, old man. The initial lackluster investigation involved
• 49:31
  Speaker 6: never locking down the crime scene. Never taking witness reports
• 49:37
  Speaker 6: from the staff or anything like that. That never happened.
• 49:40
  Speaker 6: But they did bring, allegedly bring some search dogs on
• 49:42
  Speaker 6: scene within about six or eight hours, right?
• 49:47
  Speaker 5: No, it wasn't those search dogs, because those dogs would
• 49:50
  Speaker 5: be like, if you held Madeline's shirt up to the dog,
• 49:53
  Speaker 5: it was like, go find Madeline. This was months later.
• 49:56
  Speaker 5: This guy, his name is Martin Grime. He worked with
• 50:01
  Speaker 5: these dogs for over 35 years, not these specific dogs,
• 50:05
  Speaker 5: but he's worked with various dogs for 35 years. And
• 50:09
  Speaker 5: he was like, I trust these dogs. These dogs are
• 50:11
  Speaker 5: highly trained. Let me help with the investigation. And so
• 50:15
  Speaker 5: they were like, let's bring this guy in with his dogs.
• 50:18
  Speaker 5: And this was months later. And the dogs alerted at
• 50:22
  Speaker 5: the trunk of the McCann's rental car, at Freud's Villa,
• 50:26
  Speaker 5: and in the hotel room that there was a dead
• 50:29
  Speaker 5: body and blood smell. What I surmise is maybe while
• 50:34
  Speaker 5: they were down at the tap-ass for an hour, because
• 50:36
  Speaker 5: the staff said they took about an hour. They could
• 50:41
  Speaker 5: have been down there drinking margaritas, eating fish sticks, rubbing
• 50:45
  Speaker 5: thighs together for an hour, hour and a half.
• 50:48
  Speaker 4: Right.
• 50:49
  Speaker 5: Any number of individuals could have been up in that
• 50:52
  Speaker 5: hotel room, raping and running through Madeline. And then Kate
• 50:57
  Speaker 5: goes back to the hotel room. She stashes Madeline's body
• 51:00
  Speaker 5: in a suitcase, which later gets packed in the trunk
• 51:03
  Speaker 5: of the car, taken to the Freud's villa. And they
• 51:06
  Speaker 5: dispose of the carcass at a later date.
• 51:10
  Speaker 6: Yeah. I mean, I, I, if, if that's legitimate, um,
• 51:14
  Speaker 6: those are legitimate dog detections. And I do, I do
• 51:17
  Speaker 6: mean legitimate. Cause like, I don't know. There's, I think
• 51:19
  Speaker 6: there's a couple, there's, I've seen various ways where you
• 51:22
  Speaker 6: can kind of, uh, you know, cause those dogs to detect, right?
• 51:26
  Speaker 6: Like I used to be a patrolman years ago and
• 51:28
  Speaker 6: you want to search a car, you know, we, I
• 51:30
  Speaker 6: worked with some canine guys that like, you know, like,
• 51:34
  Speaker 6: Hey man, my dog didn't smell nothing. Do you want
• 51:36
  Speaker 6: to search that car? I'll make them, I'll make them,
• 51:38
  Speaker 6: you know, I'll make them detect something, make them sit on,
• 51:40
  Speaker 6: you know, on something, right. They sit when they detect.
• 51:42
  Speaker 6: And I'm like, no, I don't want to do that,
• 51:44
  Speaker 6: but I appreciate the, you know, the offer to violate
• 51:46
  Speaker 6: some folks' rights. You know what I mean?
• 51:47
  Speaker 5: But, You know, you could be absolutely right, and the
• 51:50
  Speaker 5: dogs could have just been a red herring to make
• 51:53
  Speaker 5: it further look like the parents.
• 51:54
  Speaker 6: To put it on the parents, right? That might have
• 51:56
  Speaker 6: been the decision point within the Portuguese authorities. Because, again,
• 52:00
  Speaker 6: they were real slow. They never secured the crimes. They
• 52:03
  Speaker 6: never did any questioning. They had a real, do we
• 52:05
  Speaker 6: really have to do this? And then You know, by
• 52:08
  Speaker 6: the time they actually did things and then an investigation,
• 52:10
  Speaker 6: you know, it was really too little too late. And
• 52:12
  Speaker 6: they were just like, oh, the parents did it. Right.
• 52:15
  Speaker 6: I think there were some other machinations there that helped
• 52:17
  Speaker 6: support it. The translator got on that side of that. Right.
• 52:20
  Speaker 6: Because the British authorities didn't investigate from like, what, two
• 52:23
  Speaker 6: more years. Right. Like Operation Grange.
• 52:26
  Speaker 3: Right.
• 52:26
  Speaker 5: I was going to say, because this case is so convoluted,
• 52:29
  Speaker 5: we have to be broad minded in looking at all
• 52:32
  Speaker 5: the evidence because so many different things could have happened.
• 52:35
  Speaker 5: You know, we could take into consideration maybe the dogs
• 52:39
  Speaker 5: were accurate. Maybe they weren't. But the fact is they
• 52:42
  Speaker 5: never fucking found the fuck the body.
• 52:46
  Speaker 6: To date, there's no plot cameras, no axon cameras, no
• 52:49
  Speaker 6: facial recognition of any kind.
• 52:51
  Speaker 5: Nothing.
• 52:52
  Speaker 6: How about all the thousands of like missing cases? And
• 52:56
  Speaker 6: there's a lot of there's at least hundreds that get
• 52:58
  Speaker 6: covered on true crime podcasts of missing and murdered folks.
• 53:01
  Speaker 6: I'm sorry, missing folks, strange experiences and whatnot. None of
• 53:05
  Speaker 6: these people are ever being detected by facial recognition software
• 53:08
  Speaker 6: from what we're being told. You know what I mean? So, like,
• 53:11
  Speaker 6: despite all this technology advancements and whatnot, it's not closer
• 53:14
  Speaker 6: to locating Madeline McCain. Her body's never been discovered. She's
• 53:17
  Speaker 6: never been seen, despite the volume of apparent eyewitness statements.
• 53:22
  Speaker 6: You know, apparent... sightings throughout the years right they.
• 53:25
  Speaker 5: Say that they say oh we saw madeline in morocco
• 53:28
  Speaker 5: we saw madeline it's always like really exotic places that
• 53:32
  Speaker 5: they this is my this is my theory and maybe
• 53:35
  Speaker 5: i'm a jerk off here but it's always like real
• 53:37
  Speaker 5: exotic places that they're seeing madeline and it just gives
• 53:40
  Speaker 5: the mccanns an excuse to go visit morocco for a
• 53:42
  Speaker 5: week and stay at the ritz Like, what the fuck
• 53:45
  Speaker 5: were you doing in Morocco finding Madeline? Were you going
• 53:48
  Speaker 5: door to door in Morocco to find Madeline? They always
• 53:51
  Speaker 5: go to these real exotic places where they say they've
• 53:54
  Speaker 5: seen Madeline. They post it up in a real nice
• 53:57
  Speaker 5: hotel for the week. You know what I mean? JJ,
• 54:02
  Speaker 5: it's ridiculous.
• 54:04
  Speaker 6: It's tough. It's real tough because you can go on
• 54:06
  Speaker 6: their website and see their parents will take donations. They're
• 54:09
  Speaker 6: selling stuff there, right?
• 54:11
  Speaker 5: They have the equivalent of a GoFundMe. you know, right.
• 54:16
  Speaker 6: And, and, you know, which, you know, I guess to
• 54:18
  Speaker 6: a certain degree, I get it, but at the same time,
• 54:20
  Speaker 6: you know, it's one of the, it's again, it's one
• 54:22
  Speaker 6: of those aspects of this case that can be looked
• 54:24
  Speaker 6: at from either side and either side can be just
• 54:27
  Speaker 6: as equally as fucking rooted in their belief. I I've
• 54:29
  Speaker 6: gone to like years ago, I've been following this case for,
• 54:33
  Speaker 6: I mean, I've been interested in since it occurs, it was,
• 54:36
  Speaker 6: you know, grasp everyone's attention, but I I've been actively
• 54:39
  Speaker 6: involved in commentary on this case for, at least I'd
• 54:42
  Speaker 6: say about the tenure of Operation GCD here, so 10 years.
• 54:46
  Speaker 6: And I remember folks on Reddit were real adamant that
• 54:50
  Speaker 6: the parents did it and stuff. So, I mean, again,
• 54:54
  Speaker 6: there's evidence to support those claims. Again, the activities of
• 54:56
  Speaker 6: the parents, their statements they've made, et cetera, et cetera.
• 54:59
  Speaker 6: So I get it. But at the same time.
• 55:01
  Speaker 5: They could be adjacently involved.
• 55:05
  Speaker 3: Right.
• 55:05
  Speaker 6: That exists. Yeah, it lacks the direct evidence. That's not
• 55:09
  Speaker 6: the only reason they would lie, right? They might be
• 55:10
  Speaker 6: lying for other reasons.
• 55:12
  Speaker 5: Because we got it. Let's just take this into consideration.
• 55:15
  Speaker 5: And you're also a parent, so you'll get this. If
• 55:18
  Speaker 5: there was a tussle that broke loose in that room,
• 55:20
  Speaker 5: somebody prying open a window and and and the curtains
• 55:24
  Speaker 5: blowing open and this intruder coming in the room and
• 55:28
  Speaker 5: the twins never woke up. Not even when the investigators
• 55:32
  Speaker 5: got there and all the police dogs and all the
• 55:34
  Speaker 5: officers and the detectives and the McCann's were crying. And
• 55:38
  Speaker 5: where's Madeline? The twins never woke up.
• 55:41
  Speaker 6: And that's equally. And that's like the, to me, that's
• 55:43
  Speaker 6: the big factor in this case that is the, is
• 55:46
  Speaker 6: equally as mysterious as the ransom note and the murder
• 55:49
  Speaker 6: case of John Bonet Ramsey, where suddenly there's a dead
• 55:52
  Speaker 6: girl in her, in her basement, her home dead body
• 55:54
  Speaker 6: with a ransom note next to it for as if
• 55:56
  Speaker 6: it were a kidnapping. Right. So, You know, there's these
• 55:59
  Speaker 6: specific incidents or factors in both cases where it just
• 56:03
  Speaker 6: makes no sense, right? It's just such a mysterious chaos factor. Why, again,
• 56:07
  Speaker 6: the twins don't wake up. The twins are still in there, right?
• 56:11
  Speaker 6: And it creates such a mystery. It's really hard to
• 56:15
  Speaker 6: determine what is really going on there.
• 56:16
  Speaker 5: Well, this is the thing is because I have a one-year-old.
• 56:22
  Speaker 5: I believe the twins were roughly around one years old.
• 56:27
  Speaker 5: I have a one-year-old. If I fucking bark too loud,
• 56:31
  Speaker 5: he will wake up screaming. If a door creaks, if somebody,
• 56:36
  Speaker 5: I have neighbors whose dogs won't bark, or whose dogs
• 56:40
  Speaker 5: bark all the time, and if he's sleeping and one
• 56:44
  Speaker 5: of those dogs is barking at a neighbor or whatever,
• 56:47
  Speaker 5: he will wake up. So you are telling me that
• 56:51
  Speaker 5: those twins, roughly around one years old, they were so sleep-trained,
• 56:56
  Speaker 5: that they would sleep through. Police officers coming in and
• 57:02
  Speaker 5: out of the hotel room, dogs barking, the parents crying,
• 57:07
  Speaker 5: lights being turned on, searching going on, and the twins
• 57:10
  Speaker 5: are fast asleep. I don't fucking think so. And there's
• 57:14
  Speaker 5: a story that brings this into play. The night before
• 57:20
  Speaker 5: Madeline went missing, Not only did Madeline wake up and
• 57:25
  Speaker 5: start crying because she couldn't find her parents because she
• 57:27
  Speaker 5: was alone in the hotel room. The twins woke up
• 57:29
  Speaker 5: crying and were alone in the dark ass room by
• 57:33
  Speaker 5: themselves with no parents. And so Jerry and Kate are
• 57:37
  Speaker 5: known to medicate their kids to sleep in situations like this.
• 57:43
  Speaker 5: So they don't wake up in the middle of the
• 57:45
  Speaker 5: night while they're at the tap ass restaurant. And they
• 57:48
  Speaker 5: don't want to be interrupted having a good time. So
• 57:51
  Speaker 5: they are known to medicate. And they're physicians, so they
• 57:57
  Speaker 5: probably brought that shit along with them. The night before
• 58:01
  Speaker 5: Madeline went missing, all three of them had woke up
• 58:05
  Speaker 5: while they were at the restaurant. And they were all
• 58:06
  Speaker 5: hysterical and shit because they couldn't find their parents. So
• 58:10
  Speaker 5: the next night, the night in question when Madeline disappeared...
• 58:14
  Speaker 5: and the twins never woke up, and even with dogs
• 58:17
  Speaker 5: and lights and police officers coming in and out of
• 58:20
  Speaker 5: the hotel room, they still didn't wake up, is because
• 58:23
  Speaker 5: Kate probably dosed them before they went down to the tap-ass,
• 58:27
  Speaker 5: all right? Which could have been for two reasons. Easier,
• 58:31
  Speaker 5: secure collection of Madeline. If she's passed the fuck out,
• 58:36
  Speaker 5: there won't be any screams or crying or fighting. Whoever
• 58:41
  Speaker 5: is going to come get her will... have an easier
• 58:44
  Speaker 5: time with her and the twins won't wake up when
• 58:47
  Speaker 5: this goes down so they're all medicated right right that
• 58:52
  Speaker 5: that's another thing that's going to come into play here
• 58:56
  Speaker 5: with our how involved are the parents in this because
• 59:00
  Speaker 5: clearly they were given at least some type of a
• 59:03
  Speaker 5: sleeping medication sure sure.
• 59:07
  Speaker 6: So we see the last time she's physically seen is
• 59:10
  Speaker 6: what 905 right with jerry because the other ones don't
• 59:14
  Speaker 6: they don't see they don't conclusively look in those kids
• 59:16
  Speaker 6: bedroom they just report nothing seemed out of the ordinary
• 59:19
  Speaker 6: when they walked in the apartment they didn't hear anything
• 59:21
  Speaker 6: they didn't hear anything right matthew oldfield reports at 9
• 59:24
  Speaker 6: 30 he didn't hear anything So to your point of
• 59:28
  Speaker 6: the disruption of the other children or any noise whatsoever,
• 59:31
  Speaker 6: we know there wasn't any in the immediate. Between 9.05
• 59:34
  Speaker 6: and 9.30 would be the time, you know, that 25-minute span,
• 59:39
  Speaker 6: there's no disruption. So then Kate discovers they're missing at 10.
• 59:43
  Speaker 6: So presumably she goes missing between 9.30 and 10. This is, again,
• 59:46
  Speaker 6: if we take this.
• 59:51
  Speaker 5: At face value, because nobody can confirm this other than
• 59:54
  Speaker 5: the other fucks that were at the restaurant with them.
• 59:56
  Speaker 6: The top of seven, right. Right, and none of them
• 1:00:00
  Speaker 6: want to be held accountable for it, right? So that's
• 1:00:03
  Speaker 6: fair to say, I think.
• 1:00:05
  Speaker 5: Right, because the staff at the restaurant says that the
• 1:00:08
  Speaker 5: actual timeline completely is contradictory to what the whole... friend
• 1:00:14
  Speaker 5: group and the McCann's are saying about this 9.05, 9.15, 9.30,
• 1:00:18
  Speaker 5: 10 p.m. The staff at the restaurant are saying they
• 1:00:21
  Speaker 5: went once a fuck an hour to go check on them.
• 1:00:25
  Speaker 8: Right.
• 1:00:27
  Speaker 6: So there was definitely conflicting reports there. Right.
• 1:00:31
  Speaker 5: This whole timeline situation she went missing between this time
• 1:00:34
  Speaker 5: and that time. We'd first have to say we're taking
• 1:00:39
  Speaker 5: the timeline at face value because they're giving this to
• 1:00:43
  Speaker 5: us and we have no way of confirming that's really
• 1:00:45
  Speaker 5: what happened because the staff at the restaurant, which why
• 1:00:48
  Speaker 5: would they have any reason to lie, said that they
• 1:00:50
  Speaker 5: weren't doing any of this every 30 minutes stuff.
• 1:00:54
  Speaker 6: Yeah, but then back, but back, that's a great point, ma'am.
• 1:00:57
  Speaker 6: That's a great point. But to the same notion that
• 1:01:01
  Speaker 6: there may be staff involved in this disappearance, then maybe
• 1:01:05
  Speaker 6: members of the staff would be inclined to produce a
• 1:01:08
  Speaker 6: fake timeline and then falsely inaccurate timeline.
• 1:01:13
  Speaker 5: See, that's the thing is the staff at the restaurant
• 1:01:15
  Speaker 5: and the McCann's and their friends all have a reason
• 1:01:18
  Speaker 5: to lie if this isn't really what happened.
• 1:01:21
  Speaker 6: I know. That's what makes it such a mystery.
• 1:01:24
  Speaker 5: And so now I kind of want to get into
• 1:01:28
  Speaker 5: this Operation Cathedral thing and bring up what else was
• 1:01:32
  Speaker 5: going on in this area prior to Luz because I
• 1:01:35
  Speaker 5: think it's going to bring it all the way home.
• 1:01:40
  Speaker 5: like a year or two before Madeline disappeared, there was
• 1:01:45
  Speaker 5: an 11 year old boy. His name was Rui Pedro.
• 1:01:49
  Speaker 5: You can type this in. Maybe there's a picture of him.
• 1:01:52
  Speaker 5: It's R U I. It's the first name. Rui Pedro
• 1:01:57
  Speaker 5: went missing in pride to lose. He was riding his
• 1:01:59
  Speaker 5: bike home.
• 1:02:01
  Speaker 6: Pete. We'll call him Pete.
• 1:02:03
  Speaker 5: Yeah. He was riding his bike home and he disappeared.
• 1:02:07
  Speaker 5: Rui Pedro, right here, prior to Luz. So, this was
• 1:02:13
  Speaker 5: just like, I think, a year or two before Madeline disappeared?
• 1:02:17
  Speaker 6: And there was no... Almost 10 years to the dot. Oh,
• 1:02:21
  Speaker 6: 10 years, really?
• 1:02:24
  Speaker 5: Nine years, okay.
• 1:02:25
  Speaker 6: It says March 4th, 1998. She's May 3rd, 2007, right? Oh, okay, okay.
• 1:02:28
  Speaker 6: Almost 11 years to the dot. Almost 11 years to the... Oh, wait.
• 1:02:36
  Speaker 6: I can't do math too well. I apologize, ma'am. I
• 1:02:39
  Speaker 6: think I need to go visit my local science store.
• 1:02:41
  Speaker 6: Why don't you hold that thought for me, please? I, uh,
• 1:02:44
  Speaker 6: let's take a, if you need to take a quick, uh,
• 1:02:46
  Speaker 6: I need to get a beverage, take it and maybe
• 1:02:48
  Speaker 6: get a pretzel break here. Uh, take, thank you. Thank
• 1:02:52
  Speaker 6: you all folks in the Midwest for joining us here
• 1:02:54
  Speaker 6: tonight to get a little GCD and cosmic peach Julia.
• 1:02:56
  Speaker 6: Thank you, ma'am as well. And, uh, take a break,
• 1:02:59
  Speaker 6: take a five if you need to, and I'll be
• 1:03:01
  Speaker 6: right back with you. I picked her out of her tank,
• 1:03:06
  Speaker 6: I took her home, now she's mine, I think.
• 1:03:10
  Speaker 8: I'm falling in love, what I'm gonna do next? She
• 1:03:24
  Speaker 8: was just as young as I needed in the life
• 1:03:27
  Speaker 8: then She was.
• 1:03:28
  Speaker 4: Only a fish, she was only a fish.
• 1:03:30
  Speaker 8: I know it sounds dumb, but she's mostly little crab
• 1:03:34
  Speaker 8: Water boiling up makes her.
• 1:03:35
  Speaker 4: Bubble grab Now I'm buttering.
• 1:03:37
  Speaker 3: Bread for crabs and lichens And I'm about to be
• 1:03:39
  Speaker 3: fed a pool of sour.
• 1:03:41
  Speaker 4: Cream now Water starts to steam out on the stove.
• 1:03:51
  Speaker 3: She was so chill at the grocery store.
• 1:04:02
  Speaker 4: I met her on aisle.
• 1:04:04
  Speaker 8: Three I can't look.
• 1:04:06
  Speaker 4: Her in the eyes As her legs are being fried
• 1:04:11
  Speaker 4: She screams out, you're killing me Sorry, I'm just hungry Oh, don't.
• 1:04:18
  Speaker 3: Tell the crowd last night And I'm Mr. Half-Price I
• 1:04:34
  Speaker 3: picked her out.
• 1:04:37
  Speaker 8: Of her tank, I took her home, now she's mine.
• 1:04:42
  Speaker 4: I think I'm falling, but I want a body.
• 1:04:57
  Speaker 8: I know it sounds dumb, but she's mostly little crap.
• 1:05:00
  Speaker 4: Water boiling up makes her bubble crap.
• 1:05:03
  Speaker 8: Now I'm buttering bread for crabs and lichens. And I'm
• 1:05:07
  Speaker 8: about to be fed a pool of sour cream now.
• 1:05:11
  Speaker 8: Water starts to steam now on the stove.
• 1:05:22
  Speaker 4: I can't believe.
• 1:05:24
  Speaker 3: She was so cheap at the grocery store. I met
• 1:05:35
  Speaker 3: her on Ivory I can't look her in the eyes
• 1:05:41
  Speaker 3: As her legs are being fried She screams out, you're
• 1:05:46
  Speaker 3: killing me Sorry, I'm just hungry Won't go till I'm
• 1:05:52
  Speaker 3: proud last night And I'm Mr.
• 1:05:56
  Speaker 4: Half Price.
• 1:06:09
  Speaker 6: Welcome back, folks, to the interwebs, and happy birthday, Julia.
• 1:06:12
  Speaker 5: 57 today.
• 1:06:16
  Speaker 6: You've aged 10 years in this show already.
• 1:06:20
  Speaker 5: Speaking of 10 years, though.
• 1:06:23
  Speaker 6: As hungry as I am, I should quit making halftimes
• 1:06:26
  Speaker 6: out of crab leg songs.
• 1:06:28
  Speaker 5: I love Crab Legs, by the way.
• 1:06:29
  Speaker 6: Oh, I love Crab Legs. I also love Crab Smack.
• 1:06:31
  Speaker 5: I'll go down on Crab Legs.
• 1:06:33
  Speaker 6: That's a cover band. They do nothing but crab-related songs.
• 1:06:37
  Speaker 6: They're called Crab Smack.
• 1:06:38
  Speaker 5: I hope there's a Crab Rangoon.
• 1:06:40
  Speaker 6: Oh, I love Crab Rangoon.
• 1:06:42
  Speaker 5: Me too.
• 1:06:45
  Speaker 6: There's a fellow I watch. His social media is his
• 1:06:48
  Speaker 6: name is Mullet Review. He's got a sweet mullet. I'm
• 1:06:51
  Speaker 6: actually kind of mulleting. I've been thinking about growing out
• 1:06:55
  Speaker 6: my own mullet.
• 1:06:56
  Speaker 5: I encourage it highly. I think you've got the face
• 1:06:59
  Speaker 5: and the charm to pull off the mullet. So I'd
• 1:07:03
  Speaker 5: go for it.
• 1:07:04
  Speaker 6: I appreciate that, ma'am. It's kind of like the extended mohawk,
• 1:07:06
  Speaker 6: if you will. And I do like the mohawk.
• 1:07:08
  Speaker 5: Yes. But, um, speaking of 10 years, I was wrong.
• 1:07:12
  Speaker 5: It wasn't two years. It was 10 years. Rui Pedro
• 1:07:17
  Speaker 5: went missing in pride to lose on his bicycle.
• 1:07:22
  Speaker 6: And so you think this is, you suspect between the, uh,
• 1:07:26
  Speaker 6: the wonderland stuff in this, in this case, there's, this
• 1:07:29
  Speaker 6: is a lot of, uh, diddlery going on around there, right?
• 1:07:32
  Speaker 5: Well, here's the thing. I'm just going to read you
• 1:07:35
  Speaker 5: what I got from my notes because it's going to
• 1:07:37
  Speaker 5: be very important. There was no major coverage of Rui
• 1:07:44
  Speaker 5: Pedro's disappearance. Uh, And the family tried to take to
• 1:07:49
  Speaker 5: the media. Again, there wasn't a lot of people trying
• 1:07:52
  Speaker 5: to help out finding this kid. Not anything like what
• 1:07:56
  Speaker 5: they did for Madeline. Right. And so after he went missing,
• 1:08:01
  Speaker 5: the Wonderland raid swept through Portugal. Codename Operation Cathedral, as
• 1:08:08
  Speaker 5: we were stating earlier. And the Wonderland Club operated.
• 1:08:13
  Speaker 6: Wow, 1,200 different victims.
• 1:08:14
  Speaker 5: Yes, it operated this. Basically, it was like a highly
• 1:08:18
  Speaker 5: secretive invite only. It had an internet club with its
• 1:08:22
  Speaker 5: own chairman and treasurer. And they found 750,000 images of
• 1:08:28
  Speaker 5: pedophilia in this raid. They confiscated CDs.
• 1:08:33
  Speaker 6: And this was led by the British National Crime Squad, huh?
• 1:08:37
  Speaker 5: Mm-hmm. So they confiscated CDs, tapes.
• 1:08:41
  Speaker 6: So it was the British, despite it being a 13-nation...
• 1:08:44
  Speaker 6: Go ahead, ma'am.
• 1:08:46
  Speaker 2: Oh, no, yeah.
• 1:08:46
  Speaker 5: I mean, bust in any time you got something.
• 1:08:50
  Speaker 6: Oh, no, I just wanted to point out, I thought
• 1:08:52
  Speaker 6: it was a salient characteristic. Besides me chewing on chips here,
• 1:08:56
  Speaker 6: I apologize. You're kidding. The.
• 1:09:01
  Speaker 6: The british national crime squad so it's a 13 nation
• 1:09:04
  Speaker 6: and joint investigation but the brits are in charge of
• 1:09:07
  Speaker 6: it so they're familiar with these portuguese activities.
• 1:09:10
  Speaker 5: Oh they definitely are which i think has something to
• 1:09:13
  Speaker 5: do with like all this madeline mccann stuff and why
• 1:09:16
  Speaker 5: they might have chosen pride to lose but during operation cathedral,
• 1:09:21
  Speaker 5: when they found all these tapes and CDs or whatever,
• 1:09:24
  Speaker 5: they wanted to try to identify some of these children. Uh,
• 1:09:30
  Speaker 5: you know, they, they basically in hopes of identification, they
• 1:09:37
  Speaker 5: went through all these images and videos and they took
• 1:09:39
  Speaker 5: still shots of the children's faces and they would just
• 1:09:45
  Speaker 5: like cut the body off and take the face and
• 1:09:48
  Speaker 5: And they comprised this catalog of all the faces of
• 1:09:54
  Speaker 5: all the children from these tapes and et cetera, et cetera.
• 1:10:01
  Speaker 5: And they were predominantly male children, which is why I
• 1:10:04
  Speaker 5: don't understand why they didn't take the little boy that
• 1:10:06
  Speaker 5: was sleeping right there. But anyway, so they comprise this
• 1:10:10
  Speaker 5: catalog of all the faces of all these children and
• 1:10:12
  Speaker 5: all these videos. And they invite Rui Pedro's mother to
• 1:10:17
  Speaker 5: go look at these images to see if maybe she
• 1:10:20
  Speaker 5: could identify her son. Mind you, the image that she
• 1:10:25
  Speaker 5: was probably looking at is the face of her son mid-rape.
• 1:10:33
  Speaker 5: So she went, she checked out the catalog. She identified
• 1:10:36
  Speaker 5: him as one of the children that was uncovered in
• 1:10:41
  Speaker 5: the Wonderland raid. And imagine what that must have felt like, JJ,
• 1:10:45
  Speaker 5: for a second.
• 1:10:46
  Speaker 6: Yeah, that's immediately what I was thinking. I was like,
• 1:10:49
  Speaker 6: you mean to tell me they couldn't warn the mother?
• 1:10:51
  Speaker 6: They couldn't give her, like, spoiler alert?
• 1:10:54
  Speaker 5: You know what I'm saying? Like, imagine having to identify
• 1:10:57
  Speaker 5: the face of your child knowing what happened to him.
• 1:11:01
  Speaker 5: And hundreds of children were identified, but no bodies were
• 1:11:04
  Speaker 5: ever recovered.
• 1:11:06
  Speaker 6: Is this an accurate statement here? That only 17 of
• 1:11:09
  Speaker 6: the 1,200 children had been identified?
• 1:11:12
  Speaker 5: That's what I'm saying, JJ. Where are the bodies of
• 1:11:16
  Speaker 5: these 1,263 children? There was a.
• 1:11:21
  Speaker 6: Case, if I may compare the bodies, give me a name. Yeah.
• 1:11:27
  Speaker 6: If I may compare it to a case out of
• 1:11:29
  Speaker 6: Northern California, San Jose to be specific, back around the
• 1:11:33
  Speaker 6: same time, 1997, I believe, the case of David Asimov,
• 1:11:38
  Speaker 6: which I'm interested to understand now, that I'm looking at
• 1:11:41
  Speaker 6: this and you're explaining these details because it's been a
• 1:11:43
  Speaker 6: while since I looked at this aspect of it. We
• 1:11:46
  Speaker 6: see this confluence of activity here in Northern California. The
• 1:11:49
  Speaker 6: accused Ronald Riva of Greenfield, California, was in a pedophile
• 1:11:54
  Speaker 6: gang called the Orchid Club. Now, he's apparently one of
• 1:11:56
  Speaker 6: the founders of this Wonderland situation, right? So at the
• 1:12:02
  Speaker 6: very same time, David Asimov, the son of Isaac Asimov,
• 1:12:06
  Speaker 6: the infamous science guy, Isaac Asimov, the science guy. His
• 1:12:13
  Speaker 6: son got caught with the largest child porn stash of
• 1:12:15
  Speaker 6: images in American history up to that date. And the
• 1:12:20
  Speaker 6: San Jose police said they have identified some of the victims.
• 1:12:23
  Speaker 6: They were local victims to the area. But I feel
• 1:12:25
  Speaker 6: like every time these instances go on, they're like, yeah,
• 1:12:28
  Speaker 6: we don't need to start identifying the victims. Right, buddy?
• 1:12:30
  Speaker 6: You know what I mean? Like somebody internally to the
• 1:12:33
  Speaker 6: authorities or the investigation.
• 1:12:37
  Speaker 5: I mean, it's just. And the fact that the JonBenet
• 1:12:40
  Speaker 5: stuff is wrapped up in this Wonderland Club. The fact that...
• 1:12:44
  Speaker 5: And it's like, where... We have JonBenet's body, but it's like,
• 1:12:47
  Speaker 5: where do the bodies go of all of these children?
• 1:12:50
  Speaker 5: It's like, we don't want... We're going to identify some
• 1:12:53
  Speaker 5: of them. And the rest of them, you know, even
• 1:12:56
  Speaker 5: if we identify them, we're never going to find their bodies.
• 1:12:59
  Speaker 5: We'll never tell you what happened to the bodies.
• 1:13:02
  Speaker 6: That's evidence. That's paperwork.
• 1:13:04
  Speaker 7: Right.
• 1:13:05
  Speaker 5: But so... It doesn't stop there, JJ, because I want
• 1:13:09
  Speaker 5: you to type something else up into this, bitch. The
• 1:13:14
  Speaker 5: Pride to Lose sex chain, don't stop there, baby. It's
• 1:13:17
  Speaker 5: got a huge tentacle-like fucking network of other shit going on.
• 1:13:24
  Speaker 5: You're going to type in the Casa Pia sex abuse scandal.
• 1:13:31
  Speaker 6: Can you spell that?
• 1:13:32
  Speaker 5: Yeah, it's Casa C-A-S-A Pia, P-I-A, sex abuse scandal.
• 1:13:42
  Speaker 6: Can you use it in a sentence? Yes. I'm just joking.
• 1:13:48
  Speaker 6: I thought this was the spelling bee for a second.
• 1:13:50
  Speaker 6: My apologies. I don't know this one. This is a
• 1:13:56
  Speaker 6: new one for me.
• 1:13:57
  Speaker 5: Coming out of Praia de Luz, Portugal. Why don't you
• 1:14:03
  Speaker 5: read it for the listeners for us? Just that little
• 1:14:08
  Speaker 5: top paragraph there.
• 1:14:09
  Speaker 6: So this is a long-going one. It says duration 1960s
• 1:14:14
  Speaker 6: to the 2000s. Told you. Brought to justice in 2002
• 1:14:17
  Speaker 6: was a casa pie. I'll take a pie, but probably
• 1:14:21
  Speaker 6: not the same kind of pie here. I'd like a
• 1:14:22
  Speaker 6: pizza pie. I don't know why. I'm just stupid. I'm
• 1:14:26
  Speaker 6: a great big fat person. I'm stupid hungry here. I
• 1:14:31
  Speaker 6: should eat dinner before I do a show.
• 1:14:34
  Speaker 1: Anyway.
• 1:14:37
  Speaker 6: Was a case of child sexual abuses involving a number
• 1:14:41
  Speaker 6: of children and employees at Casa Paia, a Portuguese state-run
• 1:14:45
  Speaker 6: institution for the education and support of poor children. Ah,
• 1:14:49
  Speaker 6: an orphanage, eh?
• 1:14:51
  Speaker 3: Mm-hmm.
• 1:14:52
  Speaker 6: Ten orphanages carrying 4,600 children. Holy shit. That's a lot
• 1:14:56
  Speaker 6: of victims. The scandal involved prominent man and TV presenter
• 1:15:03
  Speaker 6: Carlos Cruz. What's he do? Talk show.
• 1:15:11
  Speaker 5: Some type of talk show. That Jorge Rito was some
• 1:15:14
  Speaker 5: kind of an ambassador guy.
• 1:15:16
  Speaker 6: Yeah, to UNESCO, right? Yeah, there we go. United Nations.
• 1:15:20
  Speaker 5: And so.
• 1:15:21
  Speaker 6: The former governor of Casa Paya. Manuel Abrantes. So they
• 1:15:27
  Speaker 6: only had 32 victims. 32 victims.
• 1:15:31
  Speaker 5: Well, it says.
• 1:15:32
  Speaker 6: It.
• 1:15:34
  Speaker 5: Was involving... A hundred boys, this scandal was involving a
• 1:15:40
  Speaker 5: hundred boys. They were being raped. People were, so it
• 1:15:44
  Speaker 5: was kind of like the, the Jeffrey Epstein thing. They
• 1:15:47
  Speaker 5: would fly in to pride to lose these elite class.
• 1:15:53
  Speaker 5: Scumbags would fly in political people, et cetera. They'd fly
• 1:15:58
  Speaker 5: into pride to lose. You know, it reminds me of
• 1:16:00
  Speaker 5: boys town. This is good.
• 1:16:03
  Speaker 6: That's immediately what I was thinking of. This is an orphanage.
• 1:16:05
  Speaker 6: It sounds like a very transient orphanage.
• 1:16:07
  Speaker 5: This is the Portuguese boys town.
• 1:16:10
  Speaker 6: Yeah, because you got the governor involved in it, right?
• 1:16:12
  Speaker 6: So you got your top cover. You got your international
• 1:16:14
  Speaker 6: UNESCO operations. You got your local celebrities, right? You got
• 1:16:18
  Speaker 6: your local Bob Hopes or Jimmy Seville, right?
• 1:16:20
  Speaker 3: Mm-hmm.
• 1:16:21
  Speaker 5: And so if you look up the top, it says,
• 1:16:27
  Speaker 5: ran a male prostitution network involving 100 boys. And this
• 1:16:34
  Speaker 5: was all that. So the trial ended in the early 2000s,
• 1:16:37
  Speaker 5: right before the abduction of Maddie. So we have not one,
• 1:16:41
  Speaker 5: but two. We have this Casa Pia child sex abuse
• 1:16:45
  Speaker 5: scandal and we have the Wonderland raid. All going down
• 1:16:50
  Speaker 5: in prior to lose in other parts of Portugal and
• 1:16:53
  Speaker 5: then Maddie's disappearance. Now, I've heard some talk that.
• 1:17:00
  Speaker 6: They got some doctors involved in that, huh?
• 1:17:02
  Speaker 5: Oh, it was huge. It was huge. And I've heard
• 1:17:08
  Speaker 5: some talk that two composite sketches of people that were
• 1:17:11
  Speaker 5: seen looming around the McCann's hotel room look a lot
• 1:17:16
  Speaker 5: like the Podesta brothers.
• 1:17:19
  Speaker 6: They do, absolutely. I use that as their Muppet imagery tonight. Yeah,
• 1:17:23
  Speaker 6: so it's interesting because I think we do see this
• 1:17:25
  Speaker 6: elite sex trafficking kind of resort, right? So if you
• 1:17:30
  Speaker 6: think about, you know, you got a resort, essentially a
• 1:17:34
  Speaker 6: sex resort for diddlers, you know, in this town.
• 1:17:38
  Speaker 5: But did the parents knowingly choose this location and complicitly
• 1:17:50
  Speaker 5: hand over their child to this ring?
• 1:17:52
  Speaker 6: I'm not going to defend the McCanns. I never have tried.
• 1:17:56
  Speaker 6: I do think they're very much into some weird shit.
• 1:18:01
  Speaker 6: Let me paint this picture for you. If they are
• 1:18:04
  Speaker 6: sex cultists and they're going around lower level, they're doctors.
• 1:18:07
  Speaker 6: They're of an upper middle class level of society there
• 1:18:12
  Speaker 6: in the UK. Let's just say they go there with
• 1:18:15
  Speaker 6: their upper middle class other doctor friends and whatnot as
• 1:18:18
  Speaker 6: they did. Those people may not be you know, they
• 1:18:22
  Speaker 6: may not be in the know of a compartmentalized child
• 1:18:25
  Speaker 6: sex trafficking operation that operates in and around their sex cult, right?
• 1:18:29
  Speaker 6: So I'm just saying, like, even if they didn't sell
• 1:18:30
  Speaker 6: their kid into child sex slavery, perhaps they were set
• 1:18:33
  Speaker 6: up by members within their sex cult that they were
• 1:18:35
  Speaker 6: unfamiliar with, right? You know, that they were going to
• 1:18:38
  Speaker 6: be victimized to that degree. Like, so ultimately speaking, they're
• 1:18:41
  Speaker 6: guilty of putting, they're endangering their child and putting them
• 1:18:44
  Speaker 6: in an environment just no different than the Ramseys, the
• 1:18:46
  Speaker 6: JonBenet's parents.
• 1:18:47
  Speaker 5: Well, see, that's the thing is, even if they weren't
• 1:18:50
  Speaker 5: complicit in this whole abduction scene, they were at least
• 1:18:57
  Speaker 5: negligent on several levels. And I do think they drugged
• 1:19:01
  Speaker 5: the kids. Evidenced by the fact that the twins never
• 1:19:06
  Speaker 5: woke up with all this.
• 1:19:08
  Speaker 6: Right.
• 1:19:09
  Speaker 5: In and out, dogs barking, lights turning on and off.
• 1:19:14
  Speaker 5: And if you were to take the McCann's with the
• 1:19:17
  Speaker 5: amount of information we have to court, I think that
• 1:19:20
  Speaker 5: they'd probably be found guilty. Of something, if nothing else,
• 1:19:25
  Speaker 5: child neglect.
• 1:19:27
  Speaker 6: Yeah, I think that's reasonable. I think that's I think
• 1:19:29
  Speaker 6: you could do a lot less and get in charge
• 1:19:31
  Speaker 6: for child neglect.
• 1:19:33
  Speaker 12: And.
• 1:19:34
  Speaker 5: So, I mean, I always ask the listeners to, like,
• 1:19:37
  Speaker 5: give me their take on this, what their thoughts, their feelings,
• 1:19:40
  Speaker 5: their opinions are. I have seen the composite sketches. They
• 1:19:44
  Speaker 5: do look like the Podesta brothers. There's so... Go.
• 1:19:51
  Speaker 6: Ahead.
• 1:19:52
  Speaker 5: I was just going to say, there's so many pieces
• 1:19:56
  Speaker 5: to this case. It's... They've made they've blown it up
• 1:20:00
  Speaker 5: so huge that it almost feels like it's impossible to
• 1:20:04
  Speaker 5: get to the bottom of it.
• 1:20:06
  Speaker 6: I think that's I think that's one indicator. Oh, I
• 1:20:09
  Speaker 6: think that's a strong indicator. This is their psychological operations
• 1:20:13
  Speaker 6: around this. Then you have to ask why.
• 1:20:15
  Speaker 13: Right.
• 1:20:15
  Speaker 6: Is it because this is not even a real not
• 1:20:18
  Speaker 6: a real victim? It's a fabricated thing from start to finish. And,
• 1:20:21
  Speaker 6: you know, there are arguments made about that. That's what
• 1:20:24
  Speaker 6: I'm saying. Like, I think this case is used to
• 1:20:26
  Speaker 6: generate money. to study the way true crime operates, but
• 1:20:31
  Speaker 6: those things can be true. It can also not be
• 1:20:33
  Speaker 6: a fake victim.
• 1:20:35
  Speaker 5: And they got, I mean, they got the Pope involved
• 1:20:38
  Speaker 5: with this. They took the McCann's to the Vatican and
• 1:20:43
  Speaker 5: they had the Pope come out and like pray over
• 1:20:47
  Speaker 5: a picture of Maddie. They have all this stuff. See,
• 1:20:50
  Speaker 5: look at this suspect drawing. Looks like Delaine Maxwell.
• 1:20:54
  Speaker 6: And that goes right back to this whole idea of
• 1:20:57
  Speaker 6: this elite sex trafficking stuff in that area. So this
• 1:20:59
  Speaker 6: individual was a pilot at a port, I'm sorry, looking
• 1:21:03
  Speaker 6: to be supposed to be picking up a young blonde girl.
• 1:21:07
  Speaker 5: And they did spot her later in Morocco. So maybe
• 1:21:10
  Speaker 5: they were just running her through. You know, it's just
• 1:21:16
  Speaker 5: the amount of information in this case is overwhelming. And
• 1:21:22
  Speaker 5: here we got the Podestas looking at these.
• 1:21:26
  Speaker 6: So these specific drawings are produced by Kevin Halligan, the
• 1:21:29
  Speaker 6: private detective that was later drugged through the mud, sent
• 1:21:33
  Speaker 6: to prison for a fraud that he never committed, demonstrably
• 1:21:36
  Speaker 6: never committed, right? We can get into that here right now.
• 1:21:40
  Speaker 6: That'd be great. But yeah, I think this is a
• 1:21:43
  Speaker 6: good argument. These are the Podestas. Now, Operation Grange doesn't
• 1:21:46
  Speaker 6: start for four years after the disappearance. That's the official
• 1:21:49
  Speaker 6: British investigation. They're the ones who eventually released this, but
• 1:21:53
  Speaker 6: this was actually produced by Kevin Halligan and the private
• 1:21:57
  Speaker 6: detectives hired by the family in 2008. So after everything
• 1:22:01
  Speaker 6: fell out with the Portuguese authorities and they stopped, the
• 1:22:04
  Speaker 6: parents were very open the entire time saying like, they're
• 1:22:07
  Speaker 6: not investigating things. They became suspects. They then hired this
• 1:22:12
  Speaker 6: private detective agency after this millionaire benefactor who I don't
• 1:22:16
  Speaker 6: know much about his background. I haven't been able to
• 1:22:17
  Speaker 6: find much, but it is suspect that some dude pops
• 1:22:19
  Speaker 6: out of nowhere. I got millions of dollars. I'm going
• 1:22:22
  Speaker 6: to hire you a private detective, right?
• 1:22:25
  Speaker 5: I said that to you in my show. I was like,
• 1:22:26
  Speaker 5: where's this fucking millionaire guy coming from out of fucking nowhere?
• 1:22:32
  Speaker 6: And we're told this is two people. Go ahead. Oh,
• 1:22:35
  Speaker 6: go ahead, ma'am.
• 1:22:36
  Speaker 5: Well, they said that it could possibly have been two
• 1:22:41
  Speaker 5: renditions of the same suspect.
• 1:22:43
  Speaker 6: That's what I meant. They were told this is one person, right?
• 1:22:46
  Speaker 5: Right. They just happened to look. If this is two
• 1:22:49
  Speaker 5: renditions of the same person, it's awfully fucking... It's not
• 1:22:54
  Speaker 5: even similar, the two images. Like, one's a big fat guy,
• 1:22:58
  Speaker 5: one's a little skinny guy.
• 1:23:00
  Speaker 6: Right.
• 1:23:00
  Speaker 5: You know, it's just another.
• 1:23:04
  Speaker 5: It's just another way to confuse you on what could
• 1:23:06
  Speaker 5: possibly be going on. Because they said, no, it's not
• 1:23:09
  Speaker 5: of two suspects. It's of one suspect, two different... of
• 1:23:13
  Speaker 5: what he could look like. Well, that's funny because it
• 1:23:16
  Speaker 5: looks like two different people.
• 1:23:18
  Speaker 6: Two different people.
• 1:23:19
  Speaker 5: It happens to look like two people we know pretty well.
• 1:23:23
  Speaker 6: And the folks were leaving the pub down here south
• 1:23:26
  Speaker 6: of the Portuguese beach resort there where the McCann's were at.
• 1:23:33
  Speaker 6: The Smith family out of Ireland. Now, they came immediately
• 1:23:36
  Speaker 6: in May of 2007 and gave these statements, but the
• 1:23:39
  Speaker 6: Portuguese authorities did nothing with it. I think that's a
• 1:23:41
  Speaker 6: telling factor, right? It wasn't until the PIs were hired
• 1:23:45
  Speaker 6: in 2008.
• 1:23:47
  Speaker 5: We also have to take this into consideration. Now that
• 1:23:50
  Speaker 5: we know about the Wonderland Club, and now that we
• 1:23:53
  Speaker 5: know about the Casa P, a sexual abuse scandal, which
• 1:23:57
  Speaker 5: was the boys' town of Pride to Lose, could the
• 1:24:01
  Speaker 5: staff at the tap pass be connected to this ring?
• 1:24:06
  Speaker 5: They knew the McCann's schedule. They knew that they were
• 1:24:09
  Speaker 5: leaving their kids unattended for long ass stretches of time.
• 1:24:13
  Speaker 5: They knew what the kids looked like. They knew they'd
• 1:24:16
  Speaker 5: be highly coveted. Blonde hair, blue eyes from the UK.
• 1:24:20
  Speaker 6: I think that's where we get Tanner Mann, right? Tanner
• 1:24:24
  Speaker 6: Mann was the guy watching the apartment, right?
• 1:24:27
  Speaker 5: And so in my trying to sum all these pieces together,
• 1:24:33
  Speaker 5: in my train of thinking, someone from the tap-ass could
• 1:24:37
  Speaker 5: have been involved in this ring. And nobody from the
• 1:24:39
  Speaker 5: tap-ass was ever investigated, mind you. The people who were
• 1:24:43
  Speaker 5: intimately connected to the McCann schedule all that week and
• 1:24:47
  Speaker 5: knew that the kids were left unattended in that room
• 1:24:51
  Speaker 5: with the door unlocked, nobody was ever investigated from the tap-ass.
• 1:24:56
  Speaker 5: And that might be by design.
• 1:24:59
  Speaker 6: Right. Well, even this, like, what do you have a
• 1:25:01
  Speaker 6: compromised employee who owns a drug dealer... or the employees
• 1:25:04
  Speaker 6: of diddler. And they're part of some other sort of,
• 1:25:06
  Speaker 6: you know, situations. And then that they're held then in
• 1:25:09
  Speaker 6: a compromised position, like give us the details of this
• 1:25:12
  Speaker 6: young blonde girl. And then there's this, we see this
• 1:25:14
  Speaker 6: guy who Jane Tanner, part of the tap ass seven there.
• 1:25:18
  Speaker 6: She sees this individual.
• 1:25:21
  Speaker 5: And you don't, Why the fuck, by the way, if
• 1:25:26
  Speaker 5: Jane Tanner at approximately 915 saw a scumbag weirdo guy
• 1:25:32
  Speaker 5: carrying a child that looked like Madeline McCann, did she
• 1:25:36
  Speaker 5: not say a fucking peep of a word of a
• 1:25:39
  Speaker 5: shit of anything to anybody until after the investigation started?
• 1:25:44
  Speaker 6: That's an excellent question, ma'am. I think it's the same
• 1:25:46
  Speaker 6: question as why is the McCann's private investigations team They
• 1:25:50
  Speaker 6: hired a year after the fact, in May of 2008,
• 1:25:53
  Speaker 6: the ones doing all this investigation. And then we look
• 1:25:57
  Speaker 6: at how this is released. So then the authorities released
• 1:26:00
  Speaker 6: this in 2009, right? They don't release these Podesta-looking ones
• 1:26:05
  Speaker 6: until 2013. So why they sat on this... Yeah, they
• 1:26:11
  Speaker 6: sat on this from 2008 to 2013, despite this being
• 1:26:15
  Speaker 6: the best lead on Madeleine McCann. Despite the entire world
• 1:26:18
  Speaker 6: looking for her. Despite investigation discoveries, 48 hours, 60 minutes.
• 1:26:22
  Speaker 6: To date, all of these things are generating more and
• 1:26:25
  Speaker 6: more shows on the subject. I got a quick clip
• 1:26:27
  Speaker 6: for that.
• 1:26:28
  Speaker 13: The one interesting thing, the one glimmer of hope might be,
• 1:26:32
  Speaker 13: if that's the case, if that plays out that way,
• 1:26:34
  Speaker 13: that there might be a chance that the UK might
• 1:26:38
  Speaker 13: take some sort of action. The Portuguese, more unlikely. But
• 1:26:42
  Speaker 13: that there is a way that.
• 1:26:45
  Speaker 13: We're yet to understand fully how that would work, but
• 1:26:48
  Speaker 13: UK legal system will step in at some point.
• 1:26:51
  Speaker 6: Yeah, yeah.
• 1:26:52
  Speaker 11: The Madeleine McCann Fund, they were just given extra money
• 1:26:55
  Speaker 11: only in April. Maybe another jurisdiction could step in and
• 1:27:00
  Speaker 11: try and find something.
• 1:27:03
  Speaker 6: I don't know.
• 1:27:03
  Speaker 11: But otherwise, yeah, I think this search really is a
• 1:27:08
  Speaker 11: race against time to try and find something because people
• 1:27:11
  Speaker 11: are searching for answers and for the family, you know.
• 1:27:13
  Speaker 11: The McCanns, you couldn't even imagine what they're going through
• 1:27:16
  Speaker 11: and the glimmer of hope.
• 1:27:19
  Speaker 13: I know, every time. I mean, every time you can't
• 1:27:22
  Speaker 13: imagine what they must be going through when their daughter's
• 1:27:26
  Speaker 13: name hits the headlines it again and another search is
• 1:27:29
  Speaker 13: called and we hear nothing beyond that.
• 1:27:37
  Speaker 6: That was a year ago. So we see how these
• 1:27:39
  Speaker 6: things are still being reported. We see that the German
• 1:27:41
  Speaker 6: authorities brought a new suspect in the case, John Mark
• 1:27:44
  Speaker 6: Carr style, like in the JonBenet situation.
• 1:27:47
  Speaker 5: But doesn't it ring true as well that they constantly
• 1:27:51
  Speaker 5: keep bringing JonBenet into the headlines? Even as recently as
• 1:27:57
  Speaker 5: a year or two ago, Netflix dropped another. We think
• 1:28:00
  Speaker 5: we know who did it to JonBenet. We got a new...
• 1:28:05
  Speaker 5: Fuck you guys.
• 1:28:06
  Speaker 6: Even better, ma'am. John Ramsey was at CrimeCon.
• 1:28:10
  Speaker 5: This crime convention.
• 1:28:13
  Speaker 6: And he did a whole special discussion. Folks pay big
• 1:28:18
  Speaker 6: money to come in and see. Touting Authram Labs. The
• 1:28:22
  Speaker 6: Silicon Valley based Elon Musk related, Peter Thiel related DNA
• 1:28:27
  Speaker 6: lab that is involved in pinning the Idaho forward stuff
• 1:28:31
  Speaker 6: on Coburg. Or at least they're involved in it.
• 1:28:33
  Speaker 5: They will never let it go. And they will never
• 1:28:38
  Speaker 5: let Madeline go because and they these two are connected
• 1:28:41
  Speaker 5: by the same fucking wonderland ring and.
• 1:28:44
  Speaker 6: I think i think that's a great point you make
• 1:28:46
  Speaker 6: for sure i think that's an excellent.
• 1:28:47
  Speaker 5: Point they will never ever ever and by the way
• 1:28:53
  Speaker 5: that clip What bothers me a lot is they're always like,
• 1:28:56
  Speaker 5: I can't even imagine what the family's going through. And
• 1:28:59
  Speaker 5: then it shows a clip of Kate and Jerry. And
• 1:29:01
  Speaker 5: they're just like, yeah, we really miss her. And she's
• 1:29:05
  Speaker 5: probably fucking dead somewhere. But they love me. I mean,
• 1:29:09
  Speaker 5: they don't. There's never a tear. There's never any huge
• 1:29:15
  Speaker 5: display of emotion from them.
• 1:29:19
  Speaker 6: Ever. No, there's not. And that's what makes me think
• 1:29:22
  Speaker 6: they have some skeletons in their closet for sure. But
• 1:29:25
  Speaker 6: What those skeletons may be, I don't think it's the
• 1:29:27
  Speaker 6: murder of their daughter. But Kevin Halligan is the one
• 1:29:31
  Speaker 6: that produced all of these images in his investigation. Kevin
• 1:29:34
  Speaker 6: Halligan would be put in a U.S. prison in 2013.
• 1:29:38
  Speaker 6: Former CEO of London-based company sentenced to 41 months in
• 1:29:41
  Speaker 6: prison for a $ 2. 1 million fraud scheme. The defendant used
• 1:29:46
  Speaker 6: nearly $ 1. 7 million of proceeds to buy a home in
• 1:29:49
  Speaker 6: Great Falls, Virginia. That home in Great Falls, Virginia was
• 1:29:53
  Speaker 6: down the street from Tony Podesta. This guy took all
• 1:29:56
  Speaker 6: that money, inserted himself into the... This UK private detective
• 1:30:03
  Speaker 6: in 2008 went to Portugal to investigate this girl's disappearance,
• 1:30:09
  Speaker 6: Madeline McCann. A week afterwards, he's in Great Falls, Virginia,
• 1:30:13
  Speaker 6: just outside of Langley, outside of CIA headquarters. Those Muppets
• 1:30:17
  Speaker 6: with RR Channel and whatnot. They can go fuck themselves.
• 1:30:20
  Speaker 6: But my point is, he goes there and he holds
• 1:30:24
  Speaker 6: a fake wedding. He invites all of Podesta's friends, right?
• 1:30:28
  Speaker 6: And then he later dies and he goes to prison.
• 1:30:33
  Speaker 6: So how was that fraud? He didn't personally benefit from
• 1:30:36
  Speaker 6: those activities. He was portraying those things in the investigation
• 1:30:40
  Speaker 6: of what he was hired for, Madeline McCann, but he
• 1:30:42
  Speaker 6: was later charged for fraud for those activities. He didn't
• 1:30:45
  Speaker 6: own the house. He created a fake name, a fake background,
• 1:30:49
  Speaker 6: a fake everything.
• 1:30:52
  Speaker 5: See, I didn't know this.
• 1:30:54
  Speaker 6: He didn't have a wedding. He held a reception, invited
• 1:30:56
  Speaker 6: all of Podesta's friends. So he produces.
• 1:31:00
  Speaker 1: I.
• 1:31:00
  Speaker 5: Didn't know this, JJ, and it's making this even more mysterious.
• 1:31:06
  Speaker 6: Creepy, right? Yeah, for sure.
• 1:31:07
  Speaker 5: And the other guy you said, they pushed him down
• 1:31:13
  Speaker 5: some stairs when he got.
• 1:31:14
  Speaker 6: That's this guy, yeah. So when he got out of prison,
• 1:31:17
  Speaker 6: he dies mysteriously, right?
• 1:31:20
  Speaker 1: Oh, no.
• 1:31:21
  Speaker 6: Oh, JJ.
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  Speaker 5: Oh, God.
• 1:31:25
  Speaker 6: Oh, they locked me out of BBC here.
• 1:31:29
  Speaker 5: No, you just have to pay $ 49.
• 1:31:30
  Speaker 1: 99.
• 1:31:30
  Speaker 5: Right, right.
• 1:31:34
  Speaker 6: Actually, I have a quick clip on it, though, if
• 1:31:37
  Speaker 6: you hold that thought, ma'am.
• 1:31:40
  Speaker 12: In this episode of American Greed, Kevin Richard Halligan. Is
• 1:31:44
  Speaker 12: he a top-notch spy or just a dirty crook?
• 1:31:47
  Speaker 10: Most people that I spoke with believed that he was
• 1:31:49
  Speaker 10: like a secret agent or, frankly, that he was almost
• 1:31:51
  Speaker 10: like James Bond.
• 1:31:52
  Speaker 12: When a major corporation needs help freeing their imprisoned executives
• 1:31:54
  Speaker 12: from an African prison, Halligan comes to their rescue.
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  Speaker 9: He claimed that he worked with Homeland Security or the
• 1:32:00
  Speaker 9: CIA or the military.
• 1:32:01
  Speaker 12: And, using inside connections, he takes in close to a
• 1:32:03
  Speaker 12: million dollars meant to help find a missing child.
• 1:32:06
  Speaker 6: Please, if you have modeling.
• 1:32:08
  Speaker 11: Let her come home to her mummy, daddy, brother and sister.
• 1:32:12
  Speaker 9: But the only person he's really helping is himself. So
• 1:32:20
  Speaker 9: who is Kevin Halligan?
• 1:32:22
  Speaker 6: The whole thing was a charade. Then it got weirder
• 1:32:24
  Speaker 6: and weirder.
• 1:32:25
  Speaker 9: And what is he really up to? There's no justification
• 1:32:28
  Speaker 9: in wasting money or spending money on yourself when you
• 1:32:31
  Speaker 9: know there's.
• 1:32:31
  Speaker 3: A little girl missing.
• 1:32:45
  Speaker 6: The mysterious voice you heard besmirching Mr. Kevin Halligan in
• 1:32:49
  Speaker 6: his death was Henry Exton, the ex-undercover operations chief for MI5.
• 1:32:55
  Speaker 5: Oh, my God.
• 1:32:57
  Speaker 6: Right?
• 1:32:58
  Speaker 5: Well, they did a whole hit piece on this guy.
• 1:33:00
  Speaker 6: Yeah, MI5 did a whole hit piece on CNBC. Oh, my.
• 1:33:05
  Speaker 6: Right after dude died.
• 1:33:08
  Speaker 5: Just a humiliation ritual.
• 1:33:10
  Speaker 6: Yeah, like this one. Who was Kevin Halligan and how
• 1:33:12
  Speaker 6: did he scam the Madeline McCann's family? I don't think
• 1:33:15
  Speaker 6: he did scan, scam the family. I think he was
• 1:33:17
  Speaker 6: spot on.
• 1:33:18
  Speaker 5: I don't think he did at all.
• 1:33:21
  Speaker 6: Yeah. He tied into whether or not the Podestas were
• 1:33:23
  Speaker 6: directly involved in the actual kidnapping and fit the actual
• 1:33:27
  Speaker 6: guys on ground. You know, it remains to be seen.
• 1:33:29
  Speaker 6: They certainly look a lot like those guys, but I
• 1:33:30
  Speaker 6: think Halligan cued into the elite sex trafficking operations that were,
• 1:33:35
  Speaker 6: there were a foot here.
• 1:33:37
  Speaker 4: Wow.
• 1:33:37
  Speaker 5: And they did a whole hit piece on him, calling
• 1:33:40
  Speaker 5: him a fraudster and a scammer and a, low life
• 1:33:44
  Speaker 5: degenerate piece of shit.
• 1:33:46
  Speaker 6: Yup. And then he gets out of, he goes to
• 1:33:48
  Speaker 6: fraud for, he gets trumped up on, gets put to
• 1:33:50
  Speaker 6: prison in the U S on trumped up fraud charges
• 1:33:52
  Speaker 6: over this investigation.
• 1:33:54
  Speaker 12: Right.
• 1:33:55
  Speaker 6: Cause it was the money he spent on the investigation
• 1:33:58
  Speaker 6: for Oakley international was the company, right? He worked there.
• 1:34:01
  Speaker 6: That guy, the guy, the MI five guy was ahead
• 1:34:03
  Speaker 6: of it. Right. And, and, uh, you know, he can't
• 1:34:07
  Speaker 6: defend himself. He's dead.
• 1:34:08
  Speaker 4: Right.
• 1:34:08
  Speaker 6: I mean, again, he fell down some stairs in his
• 1:34:11
  Speaker 6: house while he was drunk after he got out of prison.
• 1:34:13
  Speaker 6: Over fraud charges, right? Supposedly. Supposedly. He was an Irishman
• 1:34:21
  Speaker 6: who had been largely masquerading as an investigator, they claim, right?
• 1:34:24
  Speaker 6: He had made friends with the Washington elite, was living
• 1:34:27
  Speaker 6: the high life on the back of what seemed to
• 1:34:28
  Speaker 6: be the money for the search for Madeline. Yeah. He
• 1:34:31
  Speaker 6: inserted himself into the Podesta social circle. He didn't have
• 1:34:35
  Speaker 6: a wedding. He had a reception. And there's pictures of
• 1:34:38
  Speaker 6: him and his fake wife there at the reception. Like, like,
• 1:34:42
  Speaker 6: The whole thing where he didn't profit off of the money, right?
• 1:34:45
  Speaker 6: You know what I'm saying? They charged him the fraud
• 1:34:48
  Speaker 6: as if he personally profited and stole this money, the $ 2. 1 million.
• 1:34:53
  Speaker 6: That's not what happened.
• 1:34:54
  Speaker 5: He was conducting an investigation.
• 1:34:57
  Speaker 6: Right. And then he found himself in the CIA backyard
• 1:35:02
  Speaker 6: with the Podesta brothers, who were the most powerful men
• 1:35:04
  Speaker 6: in D.C. at the time.
• 1:35:06
  Speaker 5: Well, I was just going to say he got too
• 1:35:08
  Speaker 5: close and he was about to really bust some shit
• 1:35:12
  Speaker 5: wide open.
• 1:35:13
  Speaker 6: And I think so.
• 1:35:14
  Speaker 5: This is so.
• 1:35:15
  Speaker 6: Oh, my God. Wow.
• 1:35:18
  Speaker 13: Wow.
• 1:35:19
  Speaker 6: Yeah, I think that town was just like, as again,
• 1:35:22
  Speaker 6: Clement Freud lived there.
• 1:35:23
  Speaker 1: Right.
• 1:35:23
  Speaker 6: I mean, the Freud. So when we were talking about
• 1:35:25
  Speaker 6: the PR company or the PR representation for the for
• 1:35:29
  Speaker 6: the McCann family and how it leads right back to
• 1:35:31
  Speaker 6: the same the Freud family. Right. Freud and his son,
• 1:35:35
  Speaker 6: Matthew Freud. You got that here somewhere. The guy's name
• 1:35:38
  Speaker 6: was something Mitchell Clarence Mitchell, I think. Yeah. So Clarence
• 1:35:42
  Speaker 6: Mitchell in 2008, September, he was the longtime official PR
• 1:35:46
  Speaker 6: spokesman for Kate and Jerry McCann since then. And he
• 1:35:49
  Speaker 6: signed a contract. And so she disappears and, you know,
• 1:35:52
  Speaker 6: he's already represented. He's representing them. Right. And then gets
• 1:35:56
  Speaker 6: a job as a lucrative contract with Freud communications. So
• 1:36:04
  Speaker 6: it's Freud Communications who's literally controlling the narrative.
• 1:36:08
  Speaker 5: So all of this to say, this has to be
• 1:36:13
  Speaker 5: a real little girl. I mean, there's too many working
• 1:36:16
  Speaker 5: parts to this.
• 1:36:17
  Speaker 6: I agree, ma'am. I agree. Especially when you see Podesta's
• 1:36:20
  Speaker 6: right-hand man, a woman by the name of Sarah Latham.
• 1:36:24
  Speaker 6: She's been Podesta's PR right-hand person since the 90s. She
• 1:36:28
  Speaker 6: was Hillary Clinton 2016 presidential campaign PR person. She was
• 1:36:32
  Speaker 6: in charge of PR for the campaign where Podesta was
• 1:36:34
  Speaker 6: in charge of the campaign. She came back from Britain
• 1:36:38
  Speaker 6: for that event in 2016 because she was the VP
• 1:36:42
  Speaker 6: of Freud Communications.
• 1:36:45
  Speaker 5: Oh, JJ.
• 1:36:47
  Speaker 6: Yeah. So they've literally been controlling this narrative the entire time,
• 1:36:51
  Speaker 6: this PR firm. And that's my opinion. I mean, they
• 1:36:55
  Speaker 6: got the family. And we see this with other high-profile events.
• 1:36:58
  Speaker 6: Seth Rich's family, for example, John Podesta's left hand, this
• 1:37:02
  Speaker 6: little beta bitch guy named Brad Bauman. I met the
• 1:37:06
  Speaker 6: guy one time. He's a real bitch. He's like a
• 1:37:10
  Speaker 6: lobbyist dude and PR crisis rep dude in D.C. But
• 1:37:14
  Speaker 6: he's like Podesta's left hand. He's actually the PR rep
• 1:37:17
  Speaker 6: for the Seth Rich family. Always has been. Still is
• 1:37:19
  Speaker 6: to date. So we see these machinations of these large
• 1:37:23
  Speaker 6: PR crisis management folks that are deeply connected to this
• 1:37:27
  Speaker 6: sex trafficking operations that are Running a point on the discussion, right?
• 1:37:33
  Speaker 6: The public discourse on these topics.
• 1:37:36
  Speaker 5: Where did the McCains fit into it? How much do
• 1:37:42
  Speaker 5: they know?
• 1:37:44
  Speaker 6: Well, relative to Clement Freud, if you're not familiar with
• 1:37:46
  Speaker 6: Clement Freud, let me give you a quick rundown on
• 1:37:48
  Speaker 6: old Clement. He died, and just like Jimmy Savile in
• 1:37:51
  Speaker 6: the wake of his death, they're like, oh, he died? Yeah,
• 1:37:53
  Speaker 6: he's an ardent kid diddler. Sorry.
• 1:37:55
  Speaker 5: Sorry.
• 1:37:56
  Speaker 6: So he died in April of 2009. I think they
• 1:37:59
  Speaker 6: actually outed him in 2016, yeah. June of 2016, seven
• 1:38:03
  Speaker 6: years after his death, they outed him and his wife
• 1:38:05
  Speaker 6: as being ardent kid diddlers. Now, he was elected to
• 1:38:08
  Speaker 6: Parliament in 73, left in 87. He left as the
• 1:38:12
  Speaker 6: head of the Liberal Party, right? He's the grandson of
• 1:38:16
  Speaker 6: Sigmund Freud and was a celebrity chef at one point
• 1:38:20
  Speaker 6: in time on the BBC. Now, he... uh he also
• 1:38:26
  Speaker 6: now again it's his son is matthew freud he was
• 1:38:29
  Speaker 6: knighted but um he most certainly has connections in the
• 1:38:34
  Speaker 6: same politics as the pedestas right so we see we
• 1:38:38
  Speaker 6: see that these folks may may operate within you know
• 1:38:41
  Speaker 6: numerous like uh you know uh shared shared characteristics and commonalities.
• 1:38:47
  Speaker 5: Right the same the same posse.
• 1:38:50
  Speaker 6: Yeah, it almost starts looking like an organized crime outfit,
• 1:38:54
  Speaker 6: for sure. That they like to call politics, right?
• 1:38:59
  Speaker 5: And they stayed at this guy's house.
• 1:39:02
  Speaker 6: Yeah, in the wake. And everyone asks, though, in June
• 1:39:05
  Speaker 6: of 2016, the UK media, like the Daily Mail and stuff,
• 1:39:09
  Speaker 6: they were rampant with asking his wife, an actress, I
• 1:39:12
  Speaker 6: believe she was an American actress, I believe. Lady Freud
• 1:39:16
  Speaker 6: is what they call her. Jill Fluitt. Oh, no, she's British.
• 1:39:20
  Speaker 13: Okay.
• 1:39:20
  Speaker 6: Yeah, she's dead now, too. She died in 2025. But
• 1:39:26
  Speaker 6: she was apparently the inspiration for Lucy in the Chronicles
• 1:39:29
  Speaker 6: of Narnia from C.S. Lewis. Another kid diddler.
• 1:39:32
  Speaker 9: Another.
• 1:39:33
  Speaker 5: I was just going to say that. Oh, my God.
• 1:39:40
  Speaker 6: Surrounded by kid diddlers.
• 1:39:42
  Speaker 5: What the fuck?
• 1:39:45
  Speaker 6: She was asked, hey, why did your husband befriend the
• 1:39:47
  Speaker 6: McCann family in the wake of their daughter's disappearance? She goes, oh,
• 1:39:51
  Speaker 6: we just had a beach house and we just thought
• 1:39:53
  Speaker 6: it'd be nice to help out.
• 1:39:57
  Speaker 5: So she's the equivalent of Alice in Alice in Wonderland.
• 1:40:04
  Speaker 6: Essentially, yeah. And C.S. Lewis and Charles Dodgson, a.k.a. What's
• 1:40:10
  Speaker 6: the guy from Alice in Wonderland who wrote that?
• 1:40:11
  Speaker 5: Lewis Carroll, a.k.a.
• 1:40:14
  Speaker 6: Charles Dodgson. He was friends with C.S.
• 1:40:17
  Speaker 3: Lewis.
• 1:40:18
  Speaker 5: No, he was not. Shut your freaking mouth.
• 1:40:19
  Speaker 6: Fuck yeah, they were. They were good friends.
• 1:40:21
  Speaker 5: Oh, my God, JJ.
• 1:40:22
  Speaker 6: Slap yourselves.
• 1:40:24
  Speaker 5: Slap.
• 1:40:25
  Speaker 6: It's a real hellscape out there.
• 1:40:27
  Speaker 5: Oh, my God. They're all going to hell. We need
• 1:40:29
  Speaker 5: to get right with the Lord.
• 1:40:31
  Speaker 6: They need to, for sure. I'm good, ma'am. I didn't
• 1:40:33
  Speaker 6: need to. I'm innocent.
• 1:40:35
  Speaker 5: I'm just sick to my fucking stomach. And, you know,
• 1:40:37
  Speaker 5: they push... They pushed the Alice in Wonderland stuff, and
• 1:40:41
  Speaker 5: when I was in school, we had to watch all
• 1:40:44
  Speaker 5: the Narnia movies and read all the Narnia books and
• 1:40:48
  Speaker 5: all the fucking.
• 1:40:49
  Speaker 6: Fuck yeah.
• 1:40:50
  Speaker 4: Wow.
• 1:40:50
  Speaker 5: It's almost like.
• 1:40:52
  Speaker 6: We're required to read kid-diddling books, huh?
• 1:40:55
  Speaker 3: Yes.
• 1:40:56
  Speaker 5: I was just going to say that. It's like a
• 1:40:59
  Speaker 5: required curriculum thing. to read all the Narnia books, and
• 1:41:04
  Speaker 5: then it was like we'd have a pizza party and
• 1:41:07
  Speaker 5: watch the Chronicles of Narnia. Is that like tongue-in-cheek?
• 1:41:11
  Speaker 6: I did that. I remember those days. Yeah, sure.
• 1:41:12
  Speaker 5: But you know what I'm saying? We had a pizza party,
• 1:41:15
  Speaker 5: and then we watched the Chronicles of Narnia.
• 1:41:18
  Speaker 6: Yeah. No, I know. It's real dark, right?
• 1:41:21
  Speaker 5: You know, maybe they were just trying to... I'm not
• 1:41:24
  Speaker 5: saying every single elementary school teacher is involved in this.
• 1:41:28
  Speaker 5: A lot of them are. Hello, McMartin. But, you know,
• 1:41:31
  Speaker 5: have a pizza party and watch Narnia. You know, it
• 1:41:34
  Speaker 5: just makes you wonder, like, this is some real dark
• 1:41:39
  Speaker 5: shit here.
• 1:41:40
  Speaker 6: Super dark shit.
• 1:41:43
  Speaker 5: Oh, my God.
• 1:41:44
  Speaker 6: Well, I mean, look at the number one of the
• 1:41:46
  Speaker 6: number one national pizza chains in America, Domino's.
• 1:41:50
  Speaker 5: Don't tell me something about Domino's.
• 1:41:53
  Speaker 6: Well, the name Domino's is used in the pedophilia terminologies.
• 1:41:58
  Speaker 5: You're kidding me.
• 1:41:58
  Speaker 6: No, that's the S & M stuff on the children.
• 1:42:01
  Speaker 6: They use that code name Domino's.
• 1:42:04
  Speaker 5: Oh, my God.
• 1:42:06
  Speaker 1: Yeah.
• 1:42:07
  Speaker 5: Do they really?
• 1:42:09
  Speaker 6: Yeah. Yeah.
• 1:42:10
  Speaker 3: Yeah.
• 1:42:10
  Speaker 6: It's a real hellscape out there.
• 1:42:13
  Speaker 5: Let me just tangent for just a second, because I
• 1:42:16
  Speaker 5: just discovered this pedo guy. Do you mind if I
• 1:42:21
  Speaker 5: tangent for just a second?
• 1:42:23
  Speaker 6: Go ahead, ma'am. Go ahead.
• 1:42:24
  Speaker 5: So I discovered this pedo guy. He was on a
• 1:42:30
  Speaker 5: Christian kids TV show. It was called Joy Junction. And
• 1:42:35
  Speaker 5: he had like a little marionette puppet and they would
• 1:42:38
  Speaker 5: they would talk about Jesus and read the Bible to
• 1:42:41
  Speaker 5: kids and like have all these little life lessons and whatever.
• 1:42:46
  Speaker 5: He was on some online chat for him. where they
• 1:42:53
  Speaker 5: were talking about cannibalizing children, baking them in the oven,
• 1:42:57
  Speaker 5: eating their flesh. One of the people in the chat
• 1:43:01
  Speaker 5: group had a torture chamber in his basement. Yes, so.
• 1:43:07
  Speaker 6: Their song was Three Dog Nights, Joy to the World? Oh,
• 1:43:11
  Speaker 6: no shit. All right. Wow, okay.
• 1:43:13
  Speaker 5: So the guy, his name, I'm sure it'll show it
• 1:43:17
  Speaker 5: on here.
• 1:43:18
  Speaker 6: Don McAllister?
• 1:43:20
  Speaker 5: No, that was the guy who came up with the show.
• 1:43:24
  Speaker 6: Well, we got Forrest Padley. He sounds like a diddler.
• 1:43:30
  Speaker 5: He's Ronald William Brown. You can type his fucking ass in.
• 1:43:37
  Speaker 5: Ronald William Brown... So after this Christian Kids TV show,
• 1:43:43
  Speaker 5: he went on to open a puppet store and he
• 1:43:47
  Speaker 5: would do puppet shows at all the local churches.
• 1:43:49
  Speaker 14: And he had pizza parties at his house every Friday.
• 1:43:57
  Speaker 14: And all the boys from the neighborhood were going.
• 1:44:02
  Speaker 5: To his house. I mean, JJ, this is.
• 1:44:06
  Speaker 2: He was.
• 1:44:09
  Speaker 5: In charge of running the church bus, and he would
• 1:44:12
  Speaker 5: go pick up all the kids in the church bus
• 1:44:15
  Speaker 5: and bring them to the church, and he did this
• 1:44:17
  Speaker 5: and that. All this stuff they found.
• 1:44:19
  Speaker 6: Upstanding citizen, huh?
• 1:44:21
  Speaker 5: Oh, yeah, and all these pizza parties he was throwing.
• 1:44:23
  Speaker 5: It's like, is this tongue-in-cheek? Because these motherfuckers are sick
• 1:44:27
  Speaker 5: like this. They were talking about eating children in this group.
• 1:44:32
  Speaker 5: They had found castration kits. They found torture chambers. They
• 1:44:39
  Speaker 5: found child coffins, children's clothing. He was on this website
• 1:44:46
  Speaker 5: called cutiedeadguy.net or some shit like that. And he was
• 1:44:50
  Speaker 5: talking about, I love seeing them displayed in their caskets
• 1:44:54
  Speaker 5: while they're still fresh. And he had all these pictures
• 1:44:58
  Speaker 5: of dead kids. And there was a little boy that
• 1:45:01
  Speaker 5: went to his church that ended up dying because And
• 1:45:05
  Speaker 5: he was with him through the whole, he would go
• 1:45:07
  Speaker 5: visit him at the hospital and take pictures of him.
• 1:45:10
  Speaker 5: And then he went to his funeral and took pictures
• 1:45:12
  Speaker 5: of him in the casket. And then he would like
• 1:45:16
  Speaker 5: upload these images into the chat group. Like they have
• 1:45:19
  Speaker 5: obsessions with sick and dying children, children in caskets, eating children.
• 1:45:24
  Speaker 5: And he's working on a Christian kids TV show.
• 1:45:28
  Speaker 6: That's fucked up, man. I had not heard of that one.
• 1:45:31
  Speaker 5: JJ, I mean, when you really start diving into this stuff,
• 1:45:35
  Speaker 5: and he's having the pizza parties, he's having them over,
• 1:45:40
  Speaker 5: and he, where the fuck are the parents when this
• 1:45:44
  Speaker 5: stuff is going on?
• 1:45:46
  Speaker 6: Maybe they're at the tap-ass restaurant.
• 1:45:49
  Speaker 5: That's what I'm saying. It's just like, just surrender your
• 1:45:54
  Speaker 5: children over to the wolves. Don't have any type of intuition.
• 1:45:58
  Speaker 5: Don't feel the person out that your kid's just suddenly
• 1:46:01
  Speaker 5: spending all this time with. Don't investigate them. Oh, you
• 1:46:05
  Speaker 5: going over to Ron's house with the puppets? Yeah, for
• 1:46:09
  Speaker 5: the pizza part. Do you know if my son came
• 1:46:12
  Speaker 5: to me and said that shit, I'd say, you ain't
• 1:46:14
  Speaker 5: ever fucking talking to fucking Ronald again. With this fucking
• 1:46:19
  Speaker 5: puppet in his pizza party.
• 1:46:21
  Speaker 6: If it's Ronald McDonald, that clown son of a bitch,
• 1:46:23
  Speaker 6: don't trust him. No, I mean, I think it's a
• 1:46:26
  Speaker 6: good point you're making because it seems to implicate the
• 1:46:28
  Speaker 6: parents at least being at least complicit in some similar
• 1:46:30
  Speaker 6: style activities where they can at least have their children
• 1:46:33
  Speaker 6: introduced to such environments.
• 1:46:35
  Speaker 5: It's negligence, again, that these children are so easily accessible.
• 1:46:43
  Speaker 6: But I think it speaks to the parents proclivities, if
• 1:46:46
  Speaker 6: you will, as well. But it's definitely negligence for sure.
• 1:46:48
  Speaker 6: But it's interesting what you're pointing out. We see this
• 1:46:51
  Speaker 6: thing out of popping out of Philadelphia, the horse house
• 1:46:54
  Speaker 6: of horrors. Now, this guy used to work for Wackenhut,
• 1:46:58
  Speaker 6: used to make a bunch of sick pornography. He used
• 1:47:00
  Speaker 6: to have a gas company in New Zealand. Real interesting
• 1:47:03
  Speaker 6: snuff film director out of there. But him and his
• 1:47:05
  Speaker 6: son recently just got found out. And that's not the
• 1:47:08
  Speaker 6: only thing. Wait a second.
• 1:47:10
  Speaker 5: I think I, I, is his name Eugene?
• 1:47:14
  Speaker 6: Eugene horse and his father, Raymond horse. Yeah. I just
• 1:47:17
  Speaker 6: found out about this guy.
• 1:47:20
  Speaker 5: What is that?
• 1:47:22
  Speaker 6: Wackenhut, that private military operation that's involved in the octopus
• 1:47:26
  Speaker 6: with Danny Castellaro.
• 1:47:27
  Speaker 5: Oh, Jesus Christ.
• 1:47:29
  Speaker 1: I knew it.
• 1:47:30
  Speaker 5: I knew it, JJ. I shared a clip when they
• 1:47:33
  Speaker 5: found out about this guy. They had pulled him over
• 1:47:36
  Speaker 5: on a traffic stop or something and they investigated his house.
• 1:47:39
  Speaker 5: And he was doing some Dahmer type stuff. They found
• 1:47:41
  Speaker 5: like drums of acid and he was probably dissolving the
• 1:47:45
  Speaker 5: corpses and stuff. Which, by the way, we know Jeff
• 1:47:48
  Speaker 5: was programmed to kill. His dad was probably helping him.
• 1:47:53
  Speaker 5: But anyways, I digress.
• 1:47:54
  Speaker 6: Well, that's the same with this guy. You know, the
• 1:47:56
  Speaker 6: same with this guy, Raymond Horses. Who's his daddy? Eugene Horses.
• 1:47:59
  Speaker 6: Who's his daddy? What did he do? That's Raymond Horses.
• 1:48:03
  Speaker 5: It's literally Jeff 2.0, except he wasn't doing dudes. He
• 1:48:07
  Speaker 5: was doing chicks.
• 1:48:08
  Speaker 6: Well, we might even have a Jeff 3.0 because yesterday,
• 1:48:11
  Speaker 6: just out of Wisconsin and Jeffrey Dahmer's old stomping grounds,
• 1:48:14
  Speaker 6: if you will, and around that region, we get this case.
• 1:48:18
  Speaker 5: Skulls, bones, and a shrine to Syriac.
• 1:48:20
  Speaker 12: Killers, all found in a Fond du Lac County home,
• 1:48:22
  Speaker 12: according to prosecutors.
• 1:48:23
  Speaker 5: With that shrine praising Wisconsin serial killer Ed Gein. The
• 1:48:27
  Speaker 5: homeowner is already facing criminal charges in a stalking case.
• 1:48:30
  Speaker 5: The investigation actually led to this discovery. 12 News' Nick
• 1:48:33
  Speaker 5: Boer has the story.
• 1:48:37
  Speaker 10: As Madison police investigated a Fond du Lac County town
• 1:48:40
  Speaker 10: of Chichita Man accused of stalking his long-ago girlfriend, their
• 1:48:45
  Speaker 10: attention turned to what they found in his basement. According
• 1:48:48
  Speaker 10: to the Dane County criminal complaint against 47-year-old Benjamin Larson,
• 1:48:52
  Speaker 10: police found a padlocked plywood room with a bed and, quote,
• 1:48:56
  Speaker 10: multiple framed images of nude females, skulls, and skeletons covering
• 1:49:01
  Speaker 10: the walls.
• 1:49:05
  Speaker 5: My question to you is, is he grave robbing or
• 1:49:10
  Speaker 5: is he murdering bitches?
• 1:49:12
  Speaker 6: That's a great question. I'm not sure the local authorities
• 1:49:15
  Speaker 6: up there give a shit. So just like the, the
• 1:49:18
  Speaker 6: horse house of horrors in Philadelphia, law enforcement has been
• 1:49:21
  Speaker 6: intimately familiar with that property by all records going back
• 1:49:25
  Speaker 6: four decades with the horse family owning it the entire time.
• 1:49:29
  Speaker 6: There's no, there's no question about it's documented. I assume
• 1:49:32
  Speaker 6: I haven't gotten to the records yet, but I assume
• 1:49:34
  Speaker 6: out of this case, they're intricately familiar with, uh, You know,
• 1:49:38
  Speaker 6: this Larson fellow's house, because as we'll see in this
• 1:49:40
  Speaker 6: news report, this just popped off yesterday. They're not really
• 1:49:44
  Speaker 6: doing a lot to investigate it.
• 1:49:46
  Speaker 10: Continues, quote, on higher shelves in the bedroom were five
• 1:49:49
  Speaker 10: human skulls and one partial skull, along with two large
• 1:49:53
  Speaker 10: bones in the shape of a cross. The fines had
• 1:49:57
  Speaker 10: Fond du Lac County detectives here quickly asking a judge
• 1:50:00
  Speaker 10: for a search warrant of their own to investigate crimes here.
• 1:50:04
  Speaker 10: that could reach far beyond stalking. According to that search
• 1:50:08
  Speaker 10: warrant obtained by 12 News, Fond du Lac County detectives
• 1:50:11
  Speaker 10: collected the human remains to determine, quote, exactly what they are,
• 1:50:15
  Speaker 10: what time period they are from, and whether they were
• 1:50:18
  Speaker 10: acquired through illegal means. It continues, quote, It is of
• 1:50:22
  Speaker 10: concern that Benjamin Larson had these human remains on display
• 1:50:26
  Speaker 10: amongst naked photos of unidentified women, and with binders of
• 1:50:31
  Speaker 10: women he had been stalking, especially since no clear explanation
• 1:50:35
  Speaker 10: of how he came to be in possession of each
• 1:50:37
  Speaker 10: of them was provided.
• 1:50:38
  Speaker 6: He's out on bond, $ 15, 000 bond. I've seen more people
• 1:50:46
  Speaker 6: get a higher bond for DUI.
• 1:50:48
  Speaker 5: This is the program to kill.
• 1:50:52
  Speaker 6: Exactly.
• 1:50:53
  Speaker 5: Because how many times did people call and tip the
• 1:50:57
  Speaker 5: police off on Jeff?
• 1:50:59
  Speaker 6: They brought his naked victim back to his front door.
• 1:51:04
  Speaker 5: They found a naked Chinaman with a hole in his skull,
• 1:51:09
  Speaker 5: bleeding and blood coming out of his anus.
• 1:51:13
  Speaker 6: Jeff, you lost your sex victim here, Jeff. We'll bring
• 1:51:16
  Speaker 6: him back to you.
• 1:51:17
  Speaker 5: His dad was definitely helping him. And so was so
• 1:51:20
  Speaker 5: this Eugene guy's dad was definitely helping him. This is
• 1:51:24
  Speaker 5: all fits the narrative. This stalker guy is like, again,
• 1:51:28
  Speaker 5: grave robbing, necrophiliac, stalking weirdo.
• 1:51:32
  Speaker 6: He's got a binder of women. He's got photos of
• 1:51:34
  Speaker 6: unidentified naked women. He's got skulls. We're not sure if
• 1:51:37
  Speaker 6: it says women's skulls or not yet. Right. The room
• 1:51:40
  Speaker 6: with the cross and the ritualistic aspect sounds just like Dahmer's.
• 1:51:45
  Speaker 5: Sounds just like Dahmer. But the thing is, they said,
• 1:51:47
  Speaker 5: we need to see if he procured these illegally. Well,
• 1:51:51
  Speaker 5: how the fuck else do you procure a skeleton?
• 1:51:55
  Speaker 6: Right. Right. Well, yeah, it's not really legal. Yeah, right.
• 1:51:59
  Speaker 5: To procure a skeleton. And don't hit me with the, oh,
• 1:52:03
  Speaker 5: he could have went to, it could have been, it's
• 1:52:05
  Speaker 5: a Halloween prop, or he went to the lab store
• 1:52:08
  Speaker 5: and bought a skeleton in this. Fuck you guys.
• 1:52:12
  Speaker 7: Right.
• 1:52:14
  Speaker 5: Do you know anything about Herb Baumeister?
• 1:52:18
  Speaker 6: Yeah, there were some reports on him I just read
• 1:52:20
  Speaker 6: earlier today, too.
• 1:52:21
  Speaker 5: He's back in the news again.
• 1:52:23
  Speaker 6: Back in the news.
• 1:52:24
  Speaker 5: They found a fucking skeleton with the skull, and his
• 1:52:29
  Speaker 5: son brought it up to the house with the skull
• 1:52:31
  Speaker 5: on a stick and showed his mom. Nobody did anything.
• 1:52:38
  Speaker 5: This is the program to kill stuff I'm always talking about.
• 1:52:43
  Speaker 6: And Herb Baumeister was the local owner of grocery stores, right?
• 1:52:46
  Speaker 6: He had a number of grocery stores.
• 1:52:48
  Speaker 5: He had thrift stores called Save-A-Lot.
• 1:52:52
  Speaker 6: Yeah, that's a grocery store around here.
• 1:52:54
  Speaker 5: It's like a thrifty grocery store. I've been to a
• 1:52:58
  Speaker 5: Save-A-Lot grocery store. He ripped the name off, actually. He
• 1:53:02
  Speaker 5: did a Goodwill situation, and he would go to auctions
• 1:53:06
  Speaker 5: and estate sales, and he would pick up odds and ends.
• 1:53:11
  Speaker 6: And he would sell lots of things like, like a
• 1:53:13
  Speaker 6: big thing, like a big purchase. Yeah.
• 1:53:15
  Speaker 5: And he would call it save a lot. He ripped
• 1:53:16
  Speaker 5: the name off. It wasn't a grocery store. It was
• 1:53:18
  Speaker 5: thrift stores, but I did.
• 1:53:21
  Speaker 6: Not realize I got to revisit that case. Cause that's a,
• 1:53:25
  Speaker 6: that one, no one really wants to look at, right?
• 1:53:27
  Speaker 6: Like that's always like a.
• 1:53:28
  Speaker 5: Two parter on an old herb bow Meister because he's
• 1:53:32
  Speaker 5: connected actually with the ring of fucks that was up
• 1:53:35
  Speaker 5: and down in Ohio, Indiana and, JJ, it's vast and
• 1:53:39
  Speaker 5: it's deep and it's disgusting. But anyway, skeletons all over
• 1:53:43
  Speaker 5: the place. They found 50,000 bone fragments all over the
• 1:53:47
  Speaker 5: damn farm. And again, I don't want to tangent too much,
• 1:53:52
  Speaker 5: but when does it become a question when a man
• 1:53:55
  Speaker 5: who owns thrift stores owns a horse farm with no
• 1:54:00
  Speaker 5: horses and And they're finding bodies all over the place.
• 1:54:04
  Speaker 5: And it's like, Herb, why do you own a horse
• 1:54:06
  Speaker 5: farm and you don't have any horses and you got
• 1:54:08
  Speaker 5: fucking skeletons all over your backyard? Like, does nobody ask themselves, like, what, like, JJ,
• 1:54:18
  Speaker 5: why would you buy a horse farm and you ain't
• 1:54:20
  Speaker 5: got a fucking horse?
• 1:54:21
  Speaker 6: Right. Well, there's definitely, again, it's like the horse family
• 1:54:25
  Speaker 6: or probably this Larson guy's house, right? In the horse
• 1:54:27
  Speaker 6: house of fours in Philly. There's obviously a history that
• 1:54:30
  Speaker 6: goes on with local authorities in these places. They're well-known places.
• 1:54:34
  Speaker 6: They're being utilized for probably various purposes. I'm sure this
• 1:54:38
  Speaker 6: horse farm kind of falls in the same category, right?
• 1:54:40
  Speaker 6: Indiana serial killer's 18-acre property littered with 10,000 human remains
• 1:54:45
  Speaker 6: still hides secrets. They just don't care, do they?
• 1:54:48
  Speaker 5: They don't, and he was working in a ring. Don't
• 1:54:51
  Speaker 5: you forget it, baby. They were finding bodies all up
• 1:54:55
  Speaker 5: and down this ravine in Ohio. When Herb procured the
• 1:54:58
  Speaker 5: horse farm, the bodies stopped showing up, and then they
• 1:55:01
  Speaker 5: find all these bodies at Herb's farm. It was a
• 1:55:05
  Speaker 5: dump site, okay? They were all working together. Herb was
• 1:55:10
  Speaker 5: unemployed for a considerable period of time before he bought
• 1:55:13
  Speaker 5: this multi-million dollar horse farm. Who helped him get it
• 1:55:17
  Speaker 5: and why? These should be questions on everyone's fucking mind.
• 1:55:21
  Speaker 5: All right.
• 1:55:24
  Speaker 6: Yeah, there wasn't a closure. It's like he got he
• 1:55:27
  Speaker 6: got investigated, ran to Canada and committed suicide is the story, right?
• 1:55:32
  Speaker 5: He didn't commit suicide. He's either still alive or they
• 1:55:35
  Speaker 5: killed him because there's no way he committed suicide. He
• 1:55:38
  Speaker 5: was making snuff films. They found a box of tapes
• 1:55:42
  Speaker 5: and then the tapes disappeared and And nobody can find
• 1:55:46
  Speaker 5: the tapes. You know, his dad kept admitting him into
• 1:55:53
  Speaker 5: mental facilities one right after the other. He was only,
• 1:55:57
  Speaker 5: he and this group was only stalking gay men. And
• 1:56:01
  Speaker 5: he was very close nearby the area where Jeff was
• 1:56:05
  Speaker 5: on the prowl. All in the same time period. So
• 1:56:08
  Speaker 5: you got Jeff and Herb going after gay men.
• 1:56:12
  Speaker 6: Well, don't forget John Wayne Gacy.
• 1:56:14
  Speaker 5: Well, Gacy, I think, was before this. I'm talking the 90s,
• 1:56:19
  Speaker 5: so this would have been Jeff and Herb working in
• 1:56:23
  Speaker 5: the same modus operandi, I guess. They would meet gay
• 1:56:29
  Speaker 5: guys at the bar, take them back to their place,
• 1:56:31
  Speaker 5: and dismember them.
• 1:56:32
  Speaker 6: Well, and again, that is Dahmer's. Yeah, you're right. That
• 1:56:36
  Speaker 6: is Dahmer's and Gacy to a certain degree. I do
• 1:56:38
  Speaker 6: know this. One of the victims from the Gacy victims
• 1:56:40
  Speaker 6: and one of the Dahmer victims came from the same
• 1:56:42
  Speaker 6: gay club in Milwaukee.
• 1:56:44
  Speaker 5: One of the victims of Herb and one of the
• 1:56:47
  Speaker 5: victims of Jeff came from the same bar.
• 1:56:49
  Speaker 6: Get the fuck out of here. We're going to have
• 1:56:51
  Speaker 6: to talk. We're going to have to come back here again, ma'am,
• 1:56:53
  Speaker 6: and we'll have to dive more into that Herb Baumeister.
• 1:56:55
  Speaker 5: Absolutely. I'm happy to pontificate for days on Herb Baumeister
• 1:57:02
  Speaker 5: because he's coming back up in the news and it's
• 1:57:06
  Speaker 5: for a reason.
• 1:57:06
  Speaker 6: Yeah, they put some new shit on him, yeah.
• 1:57:09
  Speaker 5: Mm-hmm, mm-hmm.
• 1:57:11
  Speaker 6: One day ago.
• 1:57:12
  Speaker 5: Yeah, this story, JJ, is so... It's... Wow. I can't
• 1:57:20
  Speaker 5: even begin to tell you how convoluted this story is.
• 1:57:25
  Speaker 5: And there's a character... That was my.
• 1:57:26
  Speaker 6: Most disastrous thing ever! Was there a curse performance?
• 1:57:30
  Speaker 5: There's a character in this whole story. His name is
• 1:57:32
  Speaker 5: Mark Goodyear, and he recently did an interview, I think
• 1:57:36
  Speaker 5: in like 2023 or 2024. And his ass is definitely involved.
• 1:57:41
  Speaker 5: He all but told on himself during the interview.
• 1:57:44
  Speaker 9: Oh, yeah.
• 1:57:45
  Speaker 5: It's ridiculous.
• 1:57:50
  Speaker 6: What's up with the new owner of that property? He
• 1:57:52
  Speaker 6: seems suspect. I remember looking into him.
• 1:57:55
  Speaker 5: Of the Baumeister property?
• 1:57:56
  Speaker 8: Yeah.
• 1:57:57
  Speaker 6: Yeah.
• 1:57:58
  Speaker 5: You and baby daddy have similar suspicions that he's somehow
• 1:58:03
  Speaker 5: connected to all this.
• 1:58:04
  Speaker 6: He seems suspect. I like the way his brain hole works.
• 1:58:09
  Speaker 5: I'll tell him you guys are on the same link
• 1:58:11
  Speaker 5: because he told me, he said, if you're going to
• 1:58:14
  Speaker 5: cover this, you need to talk about the guy who
• 1:58:15
  Speaker 5: owns the property now because there's something up with him.
• 1:58:19
  Speaker 6: Something ain't right.
• 1:58:21
  Speaker 5: Maybe for sure, but we can definitely revisit that in
• 1:58:24
  Speaker 5: an upcoming episode. It'll be a little episode, so just
• 1:58:28
  Speaker 5: prepare yourself.
• 1:58:30
  Speaker 6: Sounds like a real barn burner, ma'am. And tonight's been
• 1:58:32
  Speaker 6: a real barn burner. I appreciate your time and thoughts
• 1:58:35
  Speaker 6: and thoughts on these matters. And as we can see,
• 1:58:38
  Speaker 6: this was the big news in 2016, in the summer
• 1:58:40
  Speaker 6: when Clement Freud died, they're suddenly over in the UK
• 1:58:43
  Speaker 6: asking the public, asking the question, well, why is he
• 1:58:46
  Speaker 6: all connected? Why did he get all friendly with the McCann's? So,
• 1:58:50
  Speaker 6: you know, these things are never seem to get resolved though,
• 1:58:52
  Speaker 6: do they? This Herb Baumeister thing, the McCann thing. I
• 1:58:56
  Speaker 6: think part of that seems to be to be able
• 1:58:58
  Speaker 6: to produce future content, which to make, advertising dollars on
• 1:59:02
  Speaker 6: etc right it's an operation from every regard.
• 1:59:06
  Speaker 5: It re-traumatizes and it let's just say let's just say
• 1:59:11
  Speaker 5: and then i gotta probably skeet out a lot of
• 1:59:14
  Speaker 5: here because i gotta go do mom stuff but let's
• 1:59:18
  Speaker 5: just say these victims are murdered in a very ritualistic
• 1:59:24
  Speaker 5: way to bring about a certain result And every time
• 1:59:29
  Speaker 5: the case gets recharged and images and photos of these
• 1:59:34
  Speaker 5: people get repopularized and sensationalized year after year, documentary after documentary,
• 1:59:42
  Speaker 5: it's not because it's like, oh, some random loony fucking
• 1:59:46
  Speaker 5: killed his wife in a fit of rage because she
• 1:59:48
  Speaker 5: was a button-pushing cunt. No, it's always these cases where
• 1:59:54
  Speaker 5: it's very ritualistic and And it's very significant. And these
• 1:59:59
  Speaker 5: are the cases that get repopularized over and over again.
• 2:00:02
  Speaker 5: Or they're the cold cases that will never be solved,
• 2:00:05
  Speaker 5: like JonBenet and Madeleine McCann. It's never just some weird
• 2:00:09
  Speaker 5: crackhead who stabbed his friend in the side of the
• 2:00:11
  Speaker 5: neck while he was high on dope.
• 2:00:13
  Speaker 7: No.
• 2:00:14
  Speaker 5: It's always these cases.
• 2:00:16
  Speaker 6: Right.
• 2:00:17
  Speaker 5: And it's for a reason.
• 2:00:18
  Speaker 6: The ones that get pushed to the forefront, right?
• 2:00:20
  Speaker 12: Mm-hmm.
• 2:00:20
  Speaker 6: I think you get down to the one thing I
• 2:00:23
  Speaker 6: ask about all these cases is why is this... Like,
• 2:00:26
  Speaker 6: why does this remain unsolved? Why do they continue to
• 2:00:28
  Speaker 6: make endless documentaries, podcasts, newspaper accounts, TV shows, and nothing
• 2:00:33
  Speaker 6: gets resolved? And again, to me, it's like.
• 2:00:35
  Speaker 5: It feeds the ritual every time it gets brought back up.
• 2:00:39
  Speaker 6: Thank you, ma'am. That's exactly... Are you my brain hole?
• 2:00:41
  Speaker 6: That's exactly how it's going. It recharges the ritual, right? Mm-hmm.
• 2:00:46
  Speaker 5: Every time it gets brought up. So that's why I
• 2:00:50
  Speaker 5: say it's never just like... Because people can randomly murder.
• 2:00:53
  Speaker 5: That's fine. I watch forensic files.
• 2:00:55
  Speaker 6: Happens all the time.
• 2:00:56
  Speaker 5: People randomly murder all the time. But those cases are
• 2:00:59
  Speaker 5: just like, yeah, she was murdered, so what? Life moves on.
• 2:01:02
  Speaker 5: It's all these very specific ritualistic cases. And, you know,
• 2:01:07
  Speaker 5: in the Herb Baumeister, they never found any of the skulls.
• 2:01:13
  Speaker 6: Really?
• 2:01:13
  Speaker 5: 10,000 bone fragments, but not one skull, JJ.
• 2:01:17
  Speaker 6: I didn't realize there was no skulls in that. That's
• 2:01:20
  Speaker 6: even more bizarre.
• 2:01:21
  Speaker 3: So.
• 2:01:22
  Speaker 5: As I said before, they repopularized the ritualistic cases. Where
• 2:01:26
  Speaker 5: are the fucking heads, and what did they do with them?
• 2:01:29
  Speaker 5: We may never know, but every time this case gets
• 2:01:32
  Speaker 5: brought up, it recharges the ritual.
• 2:01:37
  Speaker 6: I think that's a great point, ma'am, and a great
• 2:01:39
  Speaker 6: way to end the show. I thank you for joining
• 2:01:41
  Speaker 6: me here tonight to get a little GCD, and I
• 2:01:42
  Speaker 6: want to thank you folks at the interwebs. I look
• 2:01:44
  Speaker 6: forward to talking more about my stuff. You already hit
• 2:01:47
  Speaker 6: me with some new details.
• 2:01:50
  Speaker 5: Definitely. Skulls are used for the temples or they're at
• 2:01:53
  Speaker 5: this fucking douchebags house.
• 2:01:55
  Speaker 6: Fond du Lac, Wisconsin. You want to eat some skulls?
• 2:01:57
  Speaker 6: I know a guy in Fond du Lac. He'll get
• 2:01:59
  Speaker 6: you a skull. He's out on bond right now. $ 15, 000 bond.
• 2:02:03
  Speaker 5: And he's got all the herb skulls. Thank you so
• 2:02:06
  Speaker 5: much for having me, JJ. It was a blast.
• 2:02:08
  Speaker 6: Yes, ma'am.
• 2:02:09
  Speaker 2: Always.
• 2:02:09
  Speaker 6: I appreciate it. And on your way out, I have
• 2:02:12
  Speaker 6: to warn you and everyone else of the interwebs out there.
• 2:02:15
  Speaker 6: There's been a watch out out there. Watch your sex.
• 2:02:17
  Speaker 6: Stay vigilant. There's been some upticks and cookie monster violence
• 2:02:20
  Speaker 6: out there. I'll catch you folks next week and catch
• 2:02:32
  Speaker 6: you next time, ma'am. I appreciate it. And I look
• 2:02:34
  Speaker 6: forward to the future conversation.
• 2:02:37
  Speaker 5: Thank you.
• 2:02:39
  Speaker 6: Well, that's it. That's the show here, folks.
• 2:02:43
  Speaker 15: So the next time you're out on the town, visiting
• 2:02:46
  Speaker 15: your local watering holes, or perhaps just meandering around, and
• 2:02:50
  Speaker 15: you hear the unmistakable sounds of metal clanking, and you
• 2:02:55
  Speaker 15: spot signs of a disturbance, then check your six. Look
• 2:03:00
  Speaker 15: in that garbage can, because you never can tell. The
• 2:03:04
  Speaker 15: GCDs may be loose in your town.
• 2:03:48
  Speaker 4: Bye.