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JK & Victor REACT to Dave Rennie as New All Blacks Coach! · Rugby Rivals - Sir John Kirwan & Victor Matfield

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I think with Dave Rene, he's been in the system in New Zealand, now he's been away a little bit,
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so he comes in and he's starting something new, he's going to start like a, this is the all-black culture I want.
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Victor, he's got a very good win record against South Africa with Australia, so that's good 72%
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so you guys should be shaking in your boots.
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I'm very impressed, all backs got a coach, you two guys are sitting next to each other without killing each other,
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I think the spring was got trouble this year.
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Like this is a hard job, what people don't realise is like if you're coaching, you know,
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transfer, then you've got those stakeholders, but when you coach South Africa, you've got the whole country
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and it's same with New Zealand.
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First of all, you just gave your age your way talking about transfer, they haven't been
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transferred for 30 years, but I mean with the talent that the all-black's have within your country,
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you just need someone to put them in the right direction, give them a little bit of direction
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and now you want to play at school.
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You're worried, sounds like you're worried, Victor, sounds like you're worried, mate.
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Are you, are you all together this morning?
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Yeah, mate, everything that's coming together with the all-black's,
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huh? You two are getting closer, that's got a coach.
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Yeah, it's all coming together.
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Yeah.
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Now, mate, you're good. What do you think about unused?
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What do you think?
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I'm really waiting for the show.
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What show?
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We're going to start talking to my mate.
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Yeah.
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Welcome to rivals.
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Victor Matfield and John Cohen, Sir John Cohen, sitting next to me here.
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Now you can talk.
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I'm very impressed. All-backs got a coach.
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You two guys are sitting next to each other without killing each other.
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I think the spring was got trouble this year.
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Everything is just coming together.
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There's a big chance that I will kill him.
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He's so annoying, live.
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Like it's way better to sing him on video, Victor.
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That's like horrible.
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Like he's so annoying.
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I had to walk out of bed for this movie because he was annoying.
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The shit out of me.
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But what do you think of Dave Rene, mate?
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Do you think I know him a little bit from back in the day of super-reppy,
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where he coached the chiefs.
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I mean, the chiefs are always a team that were in the bottom part of the table.
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And then he came in and he made a formidable team.
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So, yeah, I think with the all-blacks,
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I think you get different coaches.
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I mean, I've seen now with Japan,
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or if you coach maybe a Wales, whatever.
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You get a different type of coach.
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I've seen the way Eddie coach let's say with a Japanese team.
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It's completely different than I would think you would coach like a South African team.
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But yeah, he knows the culture.
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He understands the players.
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And that's probably the only thing the all-blacks need.
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It's someone that really put out a culture there
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and give them clarity on how they want to play.
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And I've read a little bit about him.
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He said he knows exactly how he wants to play.
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He will be under pressure.
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But I think he's a wreckedly man through and through.
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Yeah, I think for me,
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you know, I'm a big Jamie Joseph fan and friend.
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And I think probably what
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pipped it at the end was just Dave's experience.
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You know, I think coaching a first-tier squad,
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you know, and he has been through a lot of adversity.
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I think understanding the pressure that comes with it,
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probably pipped it at the end of both.
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The nice thing that came out of it for me also, Victor was,
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you know, they spoke to each other this morning.
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You know, it was just a nice way they went about it.
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And I think the process has been very thorough.
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And if you look, and I will probably blame South Africa,
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because I think, you know, without Brownie involved with Jamie,
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I think a lot of people saw Jamie and Brownie as a coaching
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pair and a very strong one.
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So once Russie decided not to release him,
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it probably changed that in Dave's favour.
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But like I would have been really happy with both of them.
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I was thinking also about whether it'd be good for Jamie
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to go in as assistant coach and maybe, you know,
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do what the All Blacks have been doing for a little while,
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maybe getting them to, you know, get them in the job,
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and then he could take over.
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But it just depends like that both to
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head coaches.
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So maybe they'd just, you know, be like,
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you and I working together, possibly Ricardo,
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just really annoying.
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Yeah.
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I think the other thing as well is,
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I think it's very difficult to go from being a current
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provincial or a franchise coach into that role as All Black
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Coach.
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I think and that's probably something that made it very difficult
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for Scott Robertson as well, because he's got
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a such a strong crusader's culture that's worked for him.
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And now it's difficult because it needs to be
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an All Black culture.
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It can't be a crusader's culture that all the other guys
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needs to adapt.
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And I think with Dave Rene, he's been in the systems
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in New Zealand.
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Now he's been away a little bit.
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So he comes in and he's starting something new.
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He's going to start like a,
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this is the All Black culture I want.
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It's not coming from the crusaders or the Highlanders
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or the Hurricanes or whoever.
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So or the Blues.
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So I think that probably helps a little bit as well.
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He actually referred to that in the press conference where he said,
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you know, the good thing is I don't have any preferences
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towards players.
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You know, I'm coming from being overseas for nine years.
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So everyone's got to earn the jersey from scratch, you know.
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So that was obviously something very important to him.
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One of the other things that he said a couple of times
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in his press conference was that he said it's one of his strengths
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of putting good people around him.
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So, you know, it's going to be fascinating, J.K.
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who he does have around him out where he holds on
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to the current group of assistant coaches
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where there brings his own people.
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What do you think?
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I think he'll understand the difference in roles
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and understand the different pressure
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that his assistance will be under.
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From what I've heard, Jason Ryan came through the review positively.
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So he's probably someone that you'd keep on board for continuity.
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Because I do think continuity around players,
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like whether or look like,
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whether your selection is still starting from scratch,
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you're probably going to start with 30 players that have been there before.
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You know, you're not going to start with 30 new players.
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So I think continuity is going to be very important.
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I think he'll understand, like, he got Wayne Smith involved with the Chiefs.
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I think he'll understand the next level
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and I think he'll look around the world
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for people that he might have worked with.
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And they might be with him in Kobaydo, no,
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but I think he'll go, okay.
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So you're saying around the world.
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So you're thinking they might not be New Zealanders?
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No, I don't think I think you'll have some foreigners.
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Did you not listen to his press conference for Cardi?
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I'm asking you a question.
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For people in the Southern hemisphere,
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stopped being so annoying,
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thinking that Super Rugby and our Rugby is the beast.
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That's exactly what he's seeking.
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So I think you'll make a mistake
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to go with the current coaches, assistant coaches.
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If he maybe keeps one or two of them,
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but I think as a coach,
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you need guys around you that think about the game like you do.
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People that you trust, people that you've worked with,
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people that you know will strengthen your weaknesses.
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So it will be interesting to see if it keeps the guys.
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But I think if I was a head coach,
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I would like to want to come in.
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I would like to bring my own guys.
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The guys I trust, the guys I know think about the game.
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So we can argue, but we still have the same idea about the game.
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So I would be surprised if you keep all the assistant coaches.
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Well, I think Victor Watt has said,
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and also Ricardo, he said one big thing,
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he said, I need people who I trust.
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And I think that's, like, this is a hard job.
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What people don't realise is it gets really creaky
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and you've got to be in the same trench together.
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Like, and if you lose a couple, it gets,
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you know, when you think about,
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and I think your point about provincial coaches
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is a good one, Victor.
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When you think about stakeholders,
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like if you're coaching, you know,
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Transval, then you've got those stakeholders.
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But when you coached South Africa,
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you got the whole country and it's same with New Zealand.
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So, you know, I think, you know,
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I think he will have the ability.
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And he did say that some other Japanese team
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would beat the rugby teams,
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but I just don't believe that.
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I don't think that is good as some of the right choices.
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So I mean level you.
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First of all, you just gave your age away
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talking about Transval.
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They haven't been Transval for 30 years,
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but I don't agree.
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Look, I think that Top League in Japan
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is a great league for them.
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And it's nice to watch this great attacking rugby.
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But I think the physicality in the back
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forwards just on their stall.
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So I think he's taking a leap of faith there.
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But I mean, we've seen with South Africa.
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I mean, players playing in Japan,
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coming over there,
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only played 10 games a year.
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They only played in the national.
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The bodies are fresh.
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It's a forced game, especially for the backs.
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So the guys come back very fit from the Japanese league.
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So maybe he's fighting to get New Zealand
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to think differently about this.
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Players playing abroad.
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And players that he can pick for New Zealand as well.
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Because I still think, I mean,
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there's few players,
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Ruttelec,
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Frizal,
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Mohanga,
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that will make a huge impact in that New Zealand team.
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He talked about Ruttelec.
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I mean, Ruttelec is the top
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tricesterer in the Japanese competition at the moment.
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And I don't know if you saw the highlights from the weekend,
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but he ran,
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like he was, they were 70 points up and he still ran down
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and did an ankle tap to save a try.
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I mean, he's playing out of his skin.
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I mean, would you expect to see Brodie Ruttelec
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back in all black colors?
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If he's a valedict of my answer.
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The thing is, I think the most important thing
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and we were talking as a bunch of
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um, ex-all blacks last time we got together,
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it's a project.
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This is a 15th month project.
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I mean, he's not even going to be here
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for a month before the July tests.
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You know, this is not ideal.
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So it's a project.
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And I think someone like Brodie Ruttelec
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is just an outstanding lot,
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but also a great leader.
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You know, um, does he want to do it?
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Does he want to come back?
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Would he want to do that sort of stuff?
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I don't know.
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But I think what Dave will be going is,
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this is a project for 15 months.
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I'm going to do whatever I can
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to get us in the situation to win South Africa.
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I mean, two, two things for you,
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but he's got a very good win record again.
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South Africa with Australia.
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So that's good 72%.
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So you guys should be shaking in your boots.
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But the second thing.
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That's a little russier stuff, isn't it?
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That was before russier came in.
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Yeah, I don't know.
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I'm not worried about it.
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I'm just taking 72%.
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And then the other thing he did mention,
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which I think we're all aware of,
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unless you guys throw a game,
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is we're going to be meeting in the quarter final.
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So teams that have probably never been knocked out
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in the quarter final stages ever before,
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one of us is going to get knocked out.
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So he's already got that in mind.
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So it's a, that it's a massive,
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it's a massive project.
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And it's a 15 month project.
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So there was a great answer.
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But when we talk about Brady Ritalaka,
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I was actually, I just want to go.
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You still need to be to straight up first
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so to be neat doesn't a quarter finals.
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What do you mean?
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What do you mean?
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Look at that.
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So, what do you say?
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What do you say?
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Gami says beaten the crusaders,
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the rates has beaten the hurricanes.
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Things are happening there.
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All right, it's a happy day for New Zealand rugby.
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We've just appointed the coach.
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Yeah, I'm just going to bring us down.
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Yeah.
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But you're already playing the psychological games.
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But he did say that he's excited about the greatest rovariever
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where we go back and win since 1996,
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a series away.
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And even if we aren't playing Transval,
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which I'm really annoyed about,
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I don't exist anymore.
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I'm not playing Transval, but you're playing the Lions.
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You're playing the Lions.
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All right, just call them Transval.
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Don't get the Lions effect, man.
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Did you ever play for Northern Transval?
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I did when I was like 19 years old,
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and then they changed to the Bulls.
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And I told you what I said.
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I'm following the 21.
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You're old as well, so.
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So, what's the reaction in South Africa?
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You know, you've been poking fun of us for the last few months
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because we don't have a coach.
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But now we have a coach.
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How do you think the all blacks will shape up
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against South Africa?
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Yeah, I mean, we're talking about the greatest rivalry.
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I've seen it at a chat in the week.
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And people ask, next World Cup,
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can South Africa win it again?
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I said, of course, we can.
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But I still believe there's only three teams
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that come in the next World Cup in that South Africa.
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Or New Zealand or France.
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I think those three teams will be in a different class.
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Those guys can beat each other on any day.
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Anyone can beat anyone.
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So, the all blacks will always be there.
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I still feel for Scott Robinson.
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I mean, he's probably the best,
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provincial club coach ever to come out of New Zealand.
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And, yeah, it's a pretty grint pool things together with all blacks.
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But the all blacks is going to be tough,
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even if we play them four times at home.
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And again, I mean, Scott Robinson,
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that three away starts against the current World Champions.
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So, it wasn't easy for him.
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And Dave Rene is going into the same thing.
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It's not two games at home.
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Two games in South Africa.
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Three games in South Africa.
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That's what he starts with.
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So, it's not going to be an easy start.
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But I mean, it still stays to all blacks.
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All blacks, there's a spring box.
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Anything can happen.
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You know, I think the thing I'm excited about,
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and I agree with you know, like,
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you know, we can never forget the human side of this.
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And Razer losing his job is tough.
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I think the interesting thing about Dave Rene is he does come
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from a little bit of a different philosophy
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about Harry wants to play.
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I do think he's a heads up.
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Play what's in front of you.
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I do think he sees that as a New Zealand start.
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I do think that he wants to have tough forward packs
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that are dominating, especially defensive rucks.
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He'll want hard players that are going to be really on the edge.
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He will bring a bit of edge.
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So, I think he's got that nice balance.
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And I think what your average New Zealander wants
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is we want a game that we can identify with.
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You know, and we talk about your DNA.
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And so, therefore, you talk about the RS DNA.
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We talk about all this sort of stuff.
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But for a New Zealander, it's really, really important
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that when we're watching, we feel
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that we're playing a style of game.
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We're not following trends.
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Like, I'll kick it 60 times or, you know,
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so Africa's really good at putting up the high ball.
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So, we should do it.
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So, I think he will bring a little bit of a different approach,
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which I'm excited about.
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Yeah, and he's also got, and Kabe's got Ardi Sabia.
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He's obviously a pretty important person
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in the All Black makeup.
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So, you know, there was some talk,
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you know, just reading some of the media reports about,
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you know, that Dave really had a lot of support
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from the current players.
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But this question for you, Victor,
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how important do you think the player's opinion
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should be of a coach?
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Yeah, it's so difficult.
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I mean, at the end of our careers,
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we probably had a lot of say, as well, about the coach.
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But it's always difficult.
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If a coach picks you, you're always going to back him.
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If he doesn't pick you, you want someone else.
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So, I don't think the players should ever say
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and use the coach.
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And we've seen it with Russell.
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I mean, he's changed it completely with South Africa,
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where the players come in, they do what they do.
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Yes, of course, they've got an input on how they want to play.
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But whatever Russell say, every he picks,
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he needs to perform.
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And if someone throws his stories because he's not picked,
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or he doesn't play in a big game,
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if he doesn't start in a big game,
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Russell will just cut him.
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So, the coach cut to the side,
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what's the best for the team,
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and the players needs to follow that.
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Yeah, I don't know if I totally agree.
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I think the players, and if you're trying to build a culture,
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I think the players are a fundamental part of it now.
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And they're way bigger stakeholder
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than we used to be.
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I think they need to buy into the
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belief of the coach,
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but they can't ever say use the coach.
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No, I agree with that.
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But I think if you're assessing a new coach,
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and I don't know if they spoke to modern players, Ricardo,
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but I think what I understood from the press conference was
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David Kirk went and asked players
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that had been coached by Dave Renny.
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And I think that's a good point.
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I think that what happens,
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what we're talking about is,
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you know, with this last process,
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what I hope happened and what I believed happened
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was the process was correct.
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So, nothing was personal.
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They just asked the players the right question.
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At the end of the day,
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we're playing big stakes now.
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And I think the players should never pick the coach,
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but they can have an opinion on the style of play
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and what they're doing,
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but that's really the coach's job
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to make sure that he gets that culture right
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and that everyone feels that they're contributing to it.
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But I think what they said today, Ricardo,
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was they asked players that have been coached by Dave.
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And I'm sure they asked the same of Jamie.
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And I think they both would have come back
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with really good reports.
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I think the difference between Dave
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and Jamie would have come down to,
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I think Dave's got more experience internationally.
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And I think the current board
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think that's important because they think
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that that was one of the negatives of Razor.
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He didn't have that international experience.
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And like I said,
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if you coach the transfer,
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then those people love it.
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You coach South Africa.
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You got the whole country.
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And when you're dealing with brands like,
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you know, the All Blacks in South Africa,
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that's a world wide thing.
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Every South African.
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And there's a lot of them living in New Zealand
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in Australia and they are South African fans.
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And same with Kiwis, we're all over the world.
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So you've got to get that.
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You've got to get that right.
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Sort of ironic though,
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because they're saying that we need a coach
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with international experience,
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top level international experience
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and that's given Dave really the edge.
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But we just got rid of a coach
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that's just gained two years of international experience.
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So we sort of said to Razor,
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I mean, I don't want to sort of go back.
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Was that a good or bad decision?
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But we picked the guy.
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We gave him the opportunity
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to gain some international experience.
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Then we got rid of him.
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Yeah, I think that's a very singular approach
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to probably why it happened.
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I think there was a series of things.
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The pressure,
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the style of rugby,
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the culture that I think there was a whole lot
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of different things in that.
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And honestly,
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you know, I coached international rugby,
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not at the highest level.
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But, you know, in the second tier,
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so Italy and Japan, which I loved,
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when I came back to the Blues,
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there was way more pressure on me on the Blues
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than there was coaching Italy or Japan.
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Because, you know,
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we wouldn't beat the Asian teams
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and if we won one game,
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you know, we beat Fiji,
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we won the Pacific Nation's Cup.
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It was fantastic.
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Went to the World Cup and drew with Canada.
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That was a success, you know.
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But this is New Zealanders expect us to win.
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They expect us to win against South Africa over there.
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And I think the other point for me is
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that World Rugby has changed.
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And Dave Rennie was very forthright
20:12
and saying that today, you know,
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the World Game has changed.
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And there's a lot of good coaches
20:17
and there's a lot of good players
20:18
and there's a lot of good rugby going on
20:20
outside New Zealand.
20:21
I've got to say that Dave Rennie was.
20:24
And he was very...
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They gave him the first set of one.
20:26
They gave him the first set of one.
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Ta-dan?
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Students at all blacks just lower their expectations a little there.
20:32
Yeah, well...
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That's the most...
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I mean, have you been drinking that
20:36
but a clip-off or whatever that shutters you drink?
20:38
Have you been drinking this morning
20:39
before you go to work?
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Like, come home.
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No, but I mean with Dave Rennie saying,
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I mean, I don't think...
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And maybe you might have another golden era.
20:48
But I don't think you're going to get teams
20:51
having an 85, 80% win record,
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like the all blacks that are in the old.
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And I mean, that's why they...
20:57
The greatest team of all time.
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But like Dave Rennie said, I mean,
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France, England, Ireland.
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Everyone is up there, Australia.
21:06
I don't think we ever going to see again
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that one international team wins over 80% in a year.
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Look, I don't not disagree with you.
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But I think one thing that the all blacks,
21:19
if they lose, we need to lose by one or two points
21:22
and it goes down to the wire
21:23
against the top five or six in the world.
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Like, I think what really surprised us was
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getting smashed in the second half
21:30
by you guys and losing by 20
21:32
and then losing to England after being...
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Like, we just...
21:35
We want to see a style of game
21:37
and we want to see an attitude
21:38
that we can identify with.
21:40
I don't think we have the expectations
21:42
of we're going to win everything.
21:44
But like, we wouldn't want to be whitewashed
21:46
when we come to South Africa.
21:47
We want whoever wins it to be winning the series.
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And you go, shit, we're going to...
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You remember, Ricardo, when we played Australia,
21:54
here we lost the series.
21:56
But across the whole series,
21:57
there was same amount of points scored
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and it was just two really good teams
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going against each other.
22:02
That's that I get.
22:04
You know, I get...
22:04
I don't think New Zealanders will go,
22:06
we want to win all the time anymore.
22:07
But we want to have a standard that we've got to keep.
22:10
A style of rugby and a standard that we're going to keep.
22:13
And if we're going to lose,
22:14
we're going down right...
22:15
You know, it's right to the wire.
22:16
Two things really stood out for me
22:18
that not that anyone cares what I think about,
22:20
especially you.
22:21
But one is that we seem to mature
22:25
a little bit as a rugby country
22:26
because growing up during the...
22:28
You know, you're either a griswiley man
22:29
or a John Hartman or a Lowry man's man.
22:32
There seems to be quite a...
22:34
You know, Scott Robinson, Jamie Joseph, Dave Renny,
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all really good people
22:41
that everyone was really comfortable with as people.
22:43
You know, that they seemed to be...
22:44
I thought Dave Renny was excellent
22:47
in the press conference today.
22:49
He gave plenty of praise and respect to Jamie Joseph.
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You know, obviously Jamie had given the same back to him.
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It seems to be a...
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A lot more mature than maybe you and I are.
23:01
Well, you're a mature.
23:03
You always had been.
23:04
But it's just the hardest job in the world, Ricardo.
23:07
Like, it's just a really hard job
23:09
and anyone who's been there
23:10
and understands that pressure
23:12
will have respect for anyone else who's doing it.
23:13
When you look at the NBA,
23:15
I'm not a basketballer,
23:16
but I look around their courts
23:18
and they're always the same coaches.
23:19
There might be a young guy that comes pops in
23:21
but then all the same coaches do the same.
23:23
It's such a hard job on you, on your family,
23:26
from a pressure point of view,
23:27
expectations.
23:28
So, you know, they have a mutual respect
23:30
and that's how it should be.
23:31
Now, I wouldn't, you know,
23:33
put them across the white line
23:34
and it becomes competitive
23:36
like I would be with Victor.
23:38
But it's just hard job.
23:39
Oh, yeah.
23:40
Coaching's a hard job.
23:41
Well, the one thing about all Black coaches
23:43
and I think Scott Robertson
23:45
is probably a bit younger.
23:47
Most of them have come through almost
23:50
all Black culture.
23:51
They've been assistant coaches for long.
23:54
They've worked in the game.
23:55
They've been in the game.
23:56
They're guys that's really respectful
23:58
to everyone in rugby.
24:01
And they just good people.
24:02
And I think that's what Dave Rene is as well.
24:05
I think he'll be a guy that drives culture,
24:09
that they have respect for everyone,
24:10
the players, everyone around him.
24:12
And I mean, that's all you actually need.
24:14
I mean, with the talent that the all Blacks have
24:17
within your country,
24:18
you just need someone to put them
24:20
in the right direction,
24:21
give them a little bit of direction
24:22
and now you want to play it.
24:23
But you're worried.
24:24
Sounds like you're worried, Victor.
24:26
Sounds like you're worried, mate.
24:28
Just trying to make it that there's going to be
24:29
a competition this rival, sir.
24:31
We're not going to ask questions.
24:32
Just trying to...
24:33
You know what, it's interesting.
24:34
I reckon two tests in when we're two to zip up.
24:38
And there's been some controversial moments
24:41
Victor will be going,
24:42
that Dave Rene, what a cheater.
24:43
Can't believe he's doing that.
24:44
He can't believe he's here.
24:46
Why is the worst person in the world?
24:48
It's nice to get it out there only
24:50
before the series starts.
24:52
I know we're joking about it.
24:54
But I just think that rugby needs
24:56
to make sure that it keeps the human side.
24:58
You know, I know that.
25:00
And I don't want to keep going back to Razor
25:01
because we need to move on
25:03
and he'll probably doesn't want to be talked about either.
25:06
But, you know, we can't forget the human factor.
25:08
We can't forget that Dave's a buddy,
25:11
good man.
25:11
And so is Jamie.
25:12
And we need to take some of that rivalry.
25:16
Not our stuff, Victor, but some of that out of, you know.
25:19
Keep the respect.
25:20
Yeah, keep the respect.
25:21
Make sure that rugby keeps the respect.
25:23
Make sure we keep the human side of it.
25:24
Keep our game as it should be,
25:27
you know, sitting down after the game.
25:29
On the field, kick the shit out each other
25:30
but then off the game,
25:32
sitting down and having a beer.
25:33
Yeah.
25:34
Now, the other thing is, I think there's so many
25:37
different type of coaches out there.
25:39
I mean, in South Africa,
25:41
we have Russia that's out of the box
25:43
and we do things different than any other coach.
25:46
Then you have a guy like you on from a front
25:49
with both who's really successful.
25:51
But it's like an old style,
25:54
believe in values and all these things.
25:56
Then you've got a franca smith.
25:58
Again, different with Glasgow.
26:00
And these guys are all great coaches
26:02
and they can all be successful at this level.
26:05
It's just a lot of the time in coaching.
26:08
It's the right timing,
26:09
right people around you.
26:11
And I'm telling you now,
26:12
there's no chance Razor won't come back.
26:14
You'll go, you'll coach somewhere,
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you'll be successful.
26:17
You'll go coach international get experience.
26:20
And maybe one day comes back to New Zealand
26:23
or even South Africa and when it will come.
26:25
You never know.
26:26
And for Victor, this watching this show
26:29
is a bit like watching those two old guys
26:31
at the Muppets that sit in there
26:33
and they're sort of yelling from the Peter.
26:37
Speak for yourself.
26:38
See?
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Well, I made thanks.
26:41
Thanks for your time.
26:42
Go back, go back and finish that branding
26:44
before you go to work.
26:46
Oh, no, I just finished my battle game.
26:48
And I'm going to do the battle.
26:51
Do you play battle?
26:52
No, no, no, no.
26:53
That's not my thing.
26:54
So now I need to go to work for a bit.
26:56
Cheers boys.
26:57
And I'm glad it lost my coach.
26:59
Fantastic.