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• 0:01
  Speaker 1: Welcome everyone to another edition of Fair Territory. We're coming
• 0:04
  Speaker 1: to you live from the General Manager's meetings in Las Vegas.
• 0:07
  Speaker 1: Before we get started, I want to mention Veterans Day
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  Speaker 1: and thank all the veterans, of course for their service.
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  Speaker 1: I know this is the day we always thank them
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  Speaker 1: and take a day to do that, but really it's
• 0:18
  Speaker 1: every day that we should be thanking the veterans their sacrifice.
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  Speaker 1: It cannot even be described in words, So Happy Veterans
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  Speaker 1: Day to all. Now, as for baseball, it's been quite
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  Speaker 1: an interesting week already because of something that happens off
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  Speaker 1: the field, and of course I'm talking about the indictments
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  Speaker 1: of The Guardian's pitchers Emmanuel Class and Luis Ortiz on Chargers.
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  Speaker 1: They took bribes from sports vetters on to throw specific
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  Speaker 1: pitches that would trigger prop bets, basically doing things that
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  Speaker 1: were anti integrity, if you want to call it that.
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  Speaker 1: We've talked a lot about what this means about the
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  Speaker 1: gambling aspect, about all the companies, including ours, including everyone
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  Speaker 1: I work for, that is in partnership with gambling companies,
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  Speaker 1: Baseball's partnership with gambling companies. We've also learned Monday yesterday
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  Speaker 1: that Major League Baseball has worked with the sportsbooks to
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  Speaker 1: institute a two hundred dollars limit on pitch level micro
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  Speaker 1: bets and to also exclude them from parlays. I've obviously
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  Speaker 1: the idea is to kind of prevent this from happening
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  Speaker 1: in the future, or at least take a step to
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  Speaker 1: help prevent this from happening. What we haven't talked much
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  Speaker 1: about is the actual effect on the Guardians themselves as
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  Speaker 1: a baseball team. You see there this story from Zach Mizel,
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  Speaker 1: really good story explaining everything that's in the indictment and
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  Speaker 1: all that it came to pass with these two pitchers
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  Speaker 1: the Guardians last year, Remember, they did not have these
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  Speaker 1: two guys for their stretch run. Luis Ortiz did not
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  Speaker 1: pitch after June twenty seventh. Emmanuel Classe did not pitch
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  Speaker 1: after July twenty sixth. They both were placed on nondisciplinary
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  Speaker 1: paid leave while the Major League Baseball investigation was going on.
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  Speaker 1: What happened, the Guardians did not fall apart without one
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  Speaker 1: of their starting pitchers and their premier closer. They went
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  Speaker 1: nineteen to four down the stretch to win the Al
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  Speaker 1: Central in shocking fashion. Now they lost to the Tigers
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  Speaker 1: in the wildcard round. Now the question becomes, all right,
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  Speaker 1: what about this season? What do they do about these guys?
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  Speaker 1: I assume, but perhaps I should not assume that they
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  Speaker 1: will remain on nondisciplinary paid leave. That's a problem for
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  Speaker 1: the Guardians, who are a low budget team and classeas
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  Speaker 1: do six point four million in twenty twenty six, or
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  Speaker 1: Tea's would be right around the minimum salary seven hundred
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  Speaker 1: and eighty thousand. He is not yet eligible for arbitration.
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  Speaker 1: The Guardians certainly can use that money. My understanding is
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  Speaker 1: as of right now that money is not available to them,
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  Speaker 1: but we should learn more about that in the coming days,
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  Speaker 1: so we'll have to see how that all plays out
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  Speaker 1: for the Guardians. Clearly they can figure things out either way.
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  Speaker 1: But if they got some clarity on what these guys
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  Speaker 1: will be paid or not paid, it certainly would help
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  Speaker 1: them as they go forward in the off season. Now,
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  Speaker 1: also in the Al Central, I wrote a notes column
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  Speaker 1: to them, my first one of the off season, and
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  Speaker 1: I led with the Twins, and the Twins are an
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  Speaker 1: interesting team because if you look at them and you
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  Speaker 1: go back to the deadline, they traded everybody, well pretty
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  Speaker 1: much everybody their entire bullpen for sure, and a number
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  Speaker 1: of others. So the assumption would be, well, of course
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  Speaker 1: they would continue on this course and trade Pablo Lopez
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  Speaker 1: and more importantly trade Joe Ryan, who was in demand
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  Speaker 1: at the deadline. But the Twins did not get an
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  Speaker 1: offer they liked, and yet there is another way for
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  Speaker 1: them to go, And in talking to some people yesterday
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  Speaker 1: I learned that at least this way is under consideration,
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  Speaker 1: and that way is to compete. It's to keep those
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  Speaker 1: two guys and build around them in what is every
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  Speaker 1: year a winnable al central. The Twins are not like
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  Speaker 1: the Rockies kind of bereft of talent. They've got talent
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  Speaker 1: Byron Buxton, Ryan Lopez, some younger players around on them,
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  Speaker 1: Royce Lewis, Viever stays healthy. They're not a team that
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  Speaker 1: is necessarily going to be an awful team next year.
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  Speaker 1: If they actually built around these guys, they might be interesting. Now, Remember,
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  Speaker 1: they were not sold as they wanted to be, or
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  Speaker 1: at least the poll Out family intended them to be
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  Speaker 1: for one point seven billion. They did not get that price,
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  Speaker 1: and ultimately the family took on two minority investors, it
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  Speaker 1: seemed for the main reason of paying down their debt,
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  Speaker 1: which was around four hundred and twenty five million. Well,
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  Speaker 1: how about putting some money into the team. That might
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  Speaker 1: be an interesting reversal, especially when you've got a new manager,
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  Speaker 1: Derek Shelton, and especially when you've also alienated your fans
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  Speaker 1: the past several years. So this is something to keep
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  Speaker 1: in mind. I'm not saying the Twins are gonna go
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  Speaker 1: one way or the other. My understanding is they don't
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  Speaker 1: have a direction yet from ownership on just how much
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  Speaker 1: they could spend. But that's going to be something to watch.
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  Speaker 1: Another team in a similar boat, another team with a
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  Speaker 1: new manager, the Texas Rangers. Skip Schumacher is their new manager.
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  Speaker 1: They're coming off a disappointing season eighty one and eighty one.
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  Speaker 1: We know that their payroll is not going to be
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  Speaker 1: as high they pushed it after winning the World Series.
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  Speaker 1: Actually to win the World Series, and then after that
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  Speaker 1: they're going to go backwards a little bit. It can
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  Speaker 1: do some things to lower the payroll and create some
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  Speaker 1: flexibility for some offseason pursuits. They've got a Golis Garcia
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  Speaker 1: who is a potential non tender. They've got jonah Heim,
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  Speaker 1: who is a potential non tender. Garcia is at about
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  Speaker 1: twelve point six million. I believe Heim six billion. I've
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  Speaker 1: got this in the column. I don't remember the numbers
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  Speaker 1: off the top of my head. So most likely one
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  Speaker 1: of them will to be non tender. Can they go further?
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  Speaker 1: I don't know that they would go further. Could you
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  Speaker 1: trade Marcus Simon and save some money that way? I
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  Speaker 1: don't know that anyone would want Simeon. He's in decline,
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  Speaker 1: he's thirty five. But this is a team that's going
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  Speaker 1: to face some interesting decisions again, because they have a
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  Speaker 1: new manager, you would think they don't simply want to
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  Speaker 1: go backwards. In fact, there a very competitive group. Chris Young,
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  Speaker 1: their general manager, former pitcher, he wants to get back
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  Speaker 1: into the mix. So the Rangers are going to be
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  Speaker 1: an interesting team to watch as well. They need another
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  Speaker 1: starting pitcher, back end guy. Most likely they will need
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  Speaker 1: a catcher if they non tender him. They obviously need
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  Speaker 1: to fix their bullpen and rebuild that, and maybe they'll
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  Speaker 1: need a right handed hitting outfielder as well. Can they
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  Speaker 1: do all that within the financial constraints they're going to
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  Speaker 1: be under. Well, we're going to find out. And finally,
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  Speaker 1: in this segment, I want to talk about Kyle Hendricks.
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  Speaker 1: Kyle Hendricks announced his retirement yesterday and he is such
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  Speaker 1: an interesting player in so many regards. First of all,
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  Speaker 1: congratulations to Kyle on a tremendous career. He's a guy
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  Speaker 1: that my producer Jeremy Meyer pointed out today would maybe
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  Speaker 1: not get signed as an amateur if he was coming
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  Speaker 1: up through the ranks. He's in throwhard. He is a
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  Speaker 1: guy that thrived on pitching, not just on velocity, and today,
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  Speaker 1: of course the great emphasis is on velocity and making
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  Speaker 1: your breaking pitches spin as fast as they can and
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  Speaker 1: break as hard as they can. Kyle Hendricks was not
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  Speaker 1: that guy, and yet he had a wonderful career. Of course,
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  Speaker 1: it was highlighted by the twenty sixteen World Series, in
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  Speaker 1: which he started Games three and seven for the Cubs
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  Speaker 1: and allowed only one earned run in nine innings. You
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  Speaker 1: see there, Patrick Mooney, he describes Kyle Hendricks as an
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  Speaker 1: under the radar prospect out of Dartmouth who developed into
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  Speaker 1: a World Series champion and one of the most consequential
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  Speaker 1: Cubs pitchers ever. And he's exiting the game the way
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  Speaker 1: he came in with zero fanfare. Kyle Hendricks one of
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  Speaker 1: the more modest guys you will ever meet. He was
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  Speaker 1: never about himself. He was always about the team. That
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  Speaker 1: is why he was a beloved teammate. And you go
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  Speaker 1: back to that twenty sixteen World Series, well, Game three,
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  Speaker 1: four and a third scoreless innings Cubs lost, that won nothing.
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  Speaker 1: If you remember, they fell behind three games to one
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  Speaker 1: in this World Series before winning the final three with
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  Speaker 1: Kyle Hendricks starting Game seven, pitching four and two thirds innings,
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  Speaker 1: allowing two runs, just one was earned. The Cubs, of
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  Speaker 1: course went on to that dramatic eight to seven victory
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  Speaker 1: with the rain delay, the Jason Hayward speech, and they
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  Speaker 1: broke the Guardian's hearts. They were then the Indians, and
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  Speaker 1: that World Series was so meaningful for so many because
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  Speaker 1: of the fact the Cubs had not won since nineteen
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  Speaker 1: oh eight, not two thousand and eight, and the Guardians
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  Speaker 1: have not one and still have not one since nineteen
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  Speaker 1: forty five. So again, great job his whole career. To
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  Speaker 1: Kyle Hendricks, congratulations on your retirement once more. And you
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  Speaker 1: were a pleasure to watch man, a pleasure to cover,
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  Speaker 1: a pleasure to watch We'll be back with the inside
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  Speaker 1: Out for the inside dish, the part of the show
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  Speaker 1: where I talk about maybe something i've written, a trend
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  Speaker 1: in the game, or sometimes a combination of both. And
• 9:55
  Speaker 1: that is what I'm going to do today. On Friday,
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  Speaker 1: I wrote a column about the managerial hirings all that
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  Speaker 1: we've seen so far, the traditional the non traditional, And
• 10:05
  Speaker 1: in that column I questioned some of the teams for
• 10:08
  Speaker 1: maybe getting too cute, trying to be too creative in
• 10:12
  Speaker 1: outsmarting their opposition and figuring out the next big thing. Now,
• 10:18
  Speaker 1: this column got a lot of reaction, as columns often do.
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  Speaker 1: That's kind of the idea when you write something. And
• 10:23
  Speaker 1: I wrote it because it was bugging me what was
• 10:25
  Speaker 1: going on. And sometimes the best columns come from when
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  Speaker 1: something is just bothering you. Now, what was this about.
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  Speaker 1: It was about the hirings of for managers from non
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  Speaker 1: traditional backgrounds. Of course, Tony Vaytello, college coach from Tennessee
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  Speaker 1: being first and foremost among them. He is a guy
• 10:43
  Speaker 1: who has never been in professional baseball. Then there was
• 10:47
  Speaker 1: Blake Bututera, at thirty three, the youngest manager to take
• 10:50
  Speaker 1: over a team since nineteen seventy two. He's a guy
• 10:53
  Speaker 1: who's never managed above a ball, never been in the
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  Speaker 1: major leagues either. And then there was Kurtsuzuki with the
• 11:00
  Speaker 1: Angels and Craig Stamon with the Padres. Former players, guys
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  Speaker 1: who are serving as special assistance with their teams but
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  Speaker 1: never coached or managed. Now there were four other hires,
• 11:10
  Speaker 1: or have been, four other hires from the more traditional
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  Speaker 1: path that we normally see from coaching staffs in Major
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  Speaker 1: League Baseball or previous managers, guys who are getting a
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  Speaker 1: second chance. Three of those guys qualified in that regard,
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  Speaker 1: Skip Schumacher with the Rangers, WoT Weiss with the Braves,
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  Speaker 1: and Derek Shelton with the Twins. And then there's Craig
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  Speaker 1: alban As with the Orioles. He was a bench coach
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  Speaker 1: with the Guardians for two years under Steven Vote, and
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  Speaker 1: of course before that a coach with the Giants as well.
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  Speaker 1: So that's the traditional path. So I wrote this questioning
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  Speaker 1: the new ones, and of course the Rockies still linked
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  Speaker 1: to hire a manager, and their hire as a President
• 11:49
  Speaker 1: of Baseball Operations, Paul the Podesta was perhaps the most
• 11:52
  Speaker 1: surprising hire of all, considering that the Podesta has been
• 11:55
  Speaker 1: out of baseball for about a decade. He was in
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  Speaker 1: the front office of the NFL Cleveland Browns, So you
• 12:01
  Speaker 1: might ask, and people did ask, Ken, why are you
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  Speaker 1: all hot and bothered about this? Anytime you hire a manager,
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  Speaker 1: it's a risk. And I thought about this after I
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  Speaker 1: wrote the column and gave it some more thought, and
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  Speaker 1: I thought back to my own career, in my own
• 12:15
  Speaker 1: start in baseball writing, and I was hired at age
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  Speaker 1: twenty four, without any experience covering Major League baseball on
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  Speaker 1: a regular basis by the Baltimore Evening Sun. The sports
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  Speaker 1: editor was Jack Gibbons, and he took a chance on me,
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  Speaker 1: but as these teams are taking a chance on these managers,
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  Speaker 1: and basically his thought was that I could grow into
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  Speaker 1: the job. And I guess that's what happened. I would
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  Speaker 1: hope that people think that's what happens. I've been doing
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  Speaker 1: it long enough now. But at the same time, I
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  Speaker 1: still see this situation in baseball as different. And I
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  Speaker 1: see it as different because at that time when I
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  Speaker 1: was hired, while yes I'm sure Jack Gibbons snubbed a
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  Speaker 1: lot of more qualified candidates, those guys were getting jobs elsewhere,
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  Speaker 1: it was not a There were a lot of baseball
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  Speaker 1: writing jobs, and this was kind of an unusual circumstance.
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  Speaker 1: Today in baseball, when the unconventional hires are made, it's
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  Speaker 1: not so unusual. We've seen that. And my concern again
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  Speaker 1: is the teams get too cute. They try to show
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  Speaker 1: how smart they are. And we see this not just
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  Speaker 1: in their hirings. We see this with player acquisition, we
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  Speaker 1: see this with in game strategy, and yes, we see
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  Speaker 1: this in the way they go about picking their new
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  Speaker 1: managers and sometimes their new coaches as well. And here's
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  Speaker 1: the thing. The managing job is extremely difficult. It's a
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  Speaker 1: lot harder than being a twenty four year old baseball writer.
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  Speaker 1: It's a lot bigger risk to take a chance in
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  Speaker 1: a multi million dollar business with someone who has not
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  Speaker 1: done the job before. Not quite the same as what
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  Speaker 1: I was experiencing, or what the Baltimore Evening Sun was
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  Speaker 1: experiencing when they hired me in nineteen eighty seven. So
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  Speaker 1: during the off season, I'm sorry, during the postseason, when
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  Speaker 1: I was with the Blue Jays for in the entire
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  Speaker 1: post division series LCS World Series, their manager John Schneider,
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  Speaker 1: spoke often. We met with him every day as a
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  Speaker 1: broadcast group, and he spoke often about how much he
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  Speaker 1: has learned in his time as a manager. He was
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  Speaker 1: a minor league manager for eight years, he was a
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  Speaker 1: major league coach for three plus seasons. He followed that
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  Speaker 1: traditional path, and yet when he got the job, he
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  Speaker 1: still had a long way to go to become the
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  Speaker 1: manager he is today and potentially the American League Manager
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  Speaker 1: of the Year, which will be named tonight, and Steiner
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  Speaker 1: spoke about how he needed to evolve, learn from his mistakes,
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  Speaker 1: learn to adjust to situations, exercise, feel, read and react.
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  Speaker 1: He's done a better job of that than he did earlier.
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  Speaker 1: All of these managers who are coming in for the
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  Speaker 1: first time, they're going to need how to learn to
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  Speaker 1: do the job first of all, and they're going to
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  Speaker 1: need to refine themselves over a matter of time as well.
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  Speaker 1: It's not easy. So that's my concern now. The same thing.
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  Speaker 1: At the same time, the other part of this is that, again,
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  Speaker 1: as I mentioned, quality people are getting overlooked. We have
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  Speaker 1: David Ross and bread and Hyde, guys who deserve a
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  Speaker 1: second chance. Were they great managers in their first shots?
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  Speaker 1: Maybe not, But we've seen managers grow a lot in
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  Speaker 1: their second jobs. We also see and know managers in
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  Speaker 1: minor leagues, managers even in who well coaches in the
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  Speaker 1: major leagues. These guys are waiting, and they're waiting for
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  Speaker 1: their chances, and they feel, hey, what about me. So
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  Speaker 1: it's a complicated discussion. And for all I know, maybe
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  Speaker 1: all of these guys that I'm talking about will prove
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  Speaker 1: major successes. When I wrote this column, I cited my
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  Speaker 1: original column when Aaron Boone was hired by the Yankees,
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  Speaker 1: and I said that maybe I was being too alarmist
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  Speaker 1: in that column because I was critical of that higher
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  Speaker 1: I don't recall too many people being critical of it,
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  Speaker 1: but I was because he had no coaching or managing experience. Obviously,
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  Speaker 1: Aaron Boone has proven to be a great success. I
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  Speaker 1: was wrong on him, and I said as much in
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  Speaker 1: the column. And if I'm wrong on all these first
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  Speaker 1: time managers, I'll be happy to say as much again.
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  Speaker 1: But I just have a hard time that all of
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  Speaker 1: them are hard time believing that them are going to succeed.
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  Speaker 1: In my view, experience in this position still matters well,
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  Speaker 1: at least it should. All right back with Grill and
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  Speaker 1: Ken right after.
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  Speaker 1: where I answer your questions. Let's get right to them. First.
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  Speaker 1: One comes from Richard Proctor, who asks which team do
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  Speaker 1: you think is most likely to part with their prospects
• 17:37
  Speaker 1: in order to better their major league roster? Always a
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  Speaker 1: good question, and one Richard that is kind of difficult
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  Speaker 1: to answer because I don't know what teams exactly you're thinking,
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  Speaker 1: But I would say this, the Mets are a team
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  Speaker 1: that have built their farm system in recent years, especially
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  Speaker 1: under David Stearns. They're in a position now where they
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  Speaker 1: can make some trades. The Dodgers have a strong farm system.
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  Speaker 1: They certainly can make some trades. But what would be
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  Speaker 1: more intriguing would be if we saw teams like, for instance,
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  Speaker 1: the Marlins and the Pirates do some things to better
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  Speaker 1: themselves by trading from their depth of prospects. And I
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  Speaker 1: do believe that is possible. Yesterday, and talking to some
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  Speaker 1: people here just the first day of the GM meetings,
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  Speaker 1: actually it wasn't even the first day. People were just
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  Speaker 1: getting in. I heard that the Marlins and Pirates are
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  Speaker 1: telling agents, Hey, we'd like to be aggressive, we'd like
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  Speaker 1: to spend a little bit now. That can be in
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  Speaker 1: free agency, or it can be in the matter of
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  Speaker 1: taking on salaries in trades. So I don't know the
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  Speaker 1: exact answer to your question, Richard, but I do expect
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  Speaker 1: that we're going to see some of this kind of activity,
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  Speaker 1: and not just from the big spending teams that have
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  Speaker 1: tons of prospects. You may see it from some other
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  Speaker 1: clubs as well, next question, This one comes from Peter
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  Speaker 1: Ross nineteen oh seven. Peter asked, what do you think
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  Speaker 1: the Yankees are doing this off season? Starting pitcher would
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  Speaker 1: be one thing. Joel Sherman what an interesting Colmum New
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  Speaker 1: York post today about how while the Yankees will have
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  Speaker 1: Rodin coming back and I'll have Cole coming back at
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  Speaker 1: some point, maybe even early in the season, they need
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  Speaker 1: to protect themselves. They need to get another starter, Max
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  Speaker 1: Fritz coming off a big workload. They've got obviously a
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  Speaker 1: good group, but you always need more. So I expect
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  Speaker 1: starting pitching to be one thing, and then the outfield
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  Speaker 1: going to be really interesting. So Trent Grisham got the
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  Speaker 1: qualifying offer. We don't know if he's going to accept
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  Speaker 1: or not. Obviously, if he accepts, that's one spot. They
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  Speaker 1: do want bellunder back. They've talked about that, but Kyle
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  Speaker 1: Tucker is someone who might fit even better than Bellager
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  Speaker 1: in some ways. Chris Kershner of The Athletic has written
• 19:43
  Speaker 1: about that he believes that Tucker is a better fit.
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  Speaker 1: Either way, one or both of those guys probably will
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  Speaker 1: be a pursuit of the Yankees, depending on Grisham. And
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  Speaker 1: they still got Jason Domingez of course, and they've still
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  Speaker 1: got that Aaron Judge character. But I do expect them
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  Speaker 1: to be somewhat active in the outfield. And then of
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  Speaker 1: course bullpen. Devin Williams a free agent. Luke Weaver is
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  Speaker 1: a free agent. They're going to have to do some
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  Speaker 1: things there. So the Yankees, like always as always, will
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  Speaker 1: be busy this offseason. All right, Next question from Pilot
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  Speaker 1: twenty nine to fifty. Even though they made the playoffs
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  Speaker 1: last season, do you think the I can't read this?
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  Speaker 1: Hold on, help me out here. Let's see. Oh, there
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  Speaker 1: it is. The Guardians will trade Kwan or other big pieces.
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  Speaker 1: All right. Stephen Kwan is a guy who was in
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  Speaker 1: serious demand at the deadline, and the Dodgers were one
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  Speaker 1: of the teams trying to get him, and I expect
• 20:37
  Speaker 1: those teams will renew their pursuits. The Guardians are a
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  Speaker 1: team that does make trades, but other teams will tell
• 20:43
  Speaker 1: you they're really difficult to deal with. They set their
• 20:46
  Speaker 1: price and they don't come off it. People can be
• 20:48
  Speaker 1: critical of that, but that's the way they operate and
• 20:50
  Speaker 1: they're pretty successful doing it. They did trade Baber at
• 20:53
  Speaker 1: the deadline last offseason. A little bit of a different case.
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  Speaker 1: He wasn't active for them at that moment, certainly was.
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  Speaker 1: I don't expect that they're going to trade Kwan. They
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  Speaker 1: view him, I believe, as something of a centerpiece, a
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  Speaker 1: key part of what they do. But they're gonna have
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  Speaker 1: to be creative and flexible as they always are in
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  Speaker 1: how they reshape their roster. They need offense, they need outfielders.
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  Speaker 1: We know that, and I'm not exactly sure how they're
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  Speaker 1: gonna go about getting it all right. Next question, let's
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  Speaker 1: see what this is. This is from Jim Jim Jim Huerte,
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  Speaker 1: who asked what's more realistic from the CBA AHA, A
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  Speaker 1: cap floor or a massive restructuring of revenue sharing? Great question.
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  Speaker 1: I still believe a cap floor, salary cap and a
• 21:39
  Speaker 1: salary floor is not realistic. The players will fight it.
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  Speaker 1: It will require the league to miss time and eat
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  Speaker 1: into the twenty twenty seventh season, and as successful as
• 21:50
  Speaker 1: the sport is right now, as much of a positive
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  Speaker 1: wave it is riding, that to me does not seem
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  Speaker 1: to be the best solution now. Restructuring revenue sharing is
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  Speaker 1: one way to obviously address the inequities that exist in
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  Speaker 1: revenues between the teams, and that's something I've talked about
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  Speaker 1: a lot. We've all talked about it. It's real. It's
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  Speaker 1: a problem for the sport, and it's getting to be
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  Speaker 1: a bigger problem each year as the Dodgers go this
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  Speaker 1: way and other teams stay at this level. Down here.
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  Speaker 1: Restructuring revenue sharing is one solution. You can also do
• 22:22
  Speaker 1: some things to enhance competitive competitive balance in other ways,
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  Speaker 1: more draft picks for low revenue teams. You can also
• 22:30
  Speaker 1: do some other things as well. It's kind of eluding
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  Speaker 1: me right now, but I've got some ideas about what
• 22:37
  Speaker 1: this sport could do to benefit those clubs, and there
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  Speaker 1: are ways to go about it. You can tax the player,
• 22:44
  Speaker 1: tax the teams more heavily at the top of the
• 22:46
  Speaker 1: luxury tax scale. There are all kinds of levers that
• 22:49
  Speaker 1: can be pulled here short of a salary cap, and
• 22:52
  Speaker 1: if that is necessary to keep the sport going and
• 22:55
  Speaker 1: make it fairer. To me, that is the way the
• 22:58
  Speaker 1: sport should go. All right, more, I think maybe one more,
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  Speaker 1: maybe two before we go what team is more likely
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  Speaker 1: to trade for Schooble as of right now, JJ and Alaska,
• 23:08
  Speaker 1: I would say no team is likely to trade for Schooble.
• 23:10
  Speaker 1: My understanding is the Tigers want to keep Schooble, and
• 23:14
  Speaker 1: while teams will come at them, and while they will
• 23:16
  Speaker 1: listen their job to listen, their idea is to compete
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  Speaker 1: next year and be a really good team around him.
• 23:23
  Speaker 1: They've been a really good team with him, obviously. Now
• 23:26
  Speaker 1: do I agree with that idea. I'm torn because, on
• 23:31
  Speaker 1: one hand, if you trade Schooble, you get something in
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  Speaker 1: return that will be greater than the draft pick you
• 23:36
  Speaker 1: might get after making him a qualifying offer next offseason.
• 23:40
  Speaker 1: On the other hand, trading a pitcher who likely will
• 23:44
  Speaker 1: be a two time Cy Young winner, and you're kind
• 23:46
  Speaker 1: of ripping the fabric of the team apart at a
• 23:49
  Speaker 1: time when you don't necessarily need to do that, When
• 23:51
  Speaker 1: you have a chance to go back to the playoffs
• 23:53
  Speaker 1: for a third straight year and win with Trek Scuble,
• 23:58
  Speaker 1: that seems to be the Tiger's preference. We'll see how
• 24:01
  Speaker 1: hard they get pushed. You're asking which team would push
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  Speaker 1: the hardest. I would expect the Mets would be one,
• 24:06
  Speaker 1: badly need a starting pitcher, and the Dodgers another. But
• 24:09
  Speaker 1: because Google has only one year of club control remaining,
• 24:12
  Speaker 1: who knows what the returns might be. The return for
• 24:14
  Speaker 1: Corbyn Burns that the Brewers got two years ago was good?
• 24:18
  Speaker 1: Was it awesome? No? So this is a situation that
• 24:21
  Speaker 1: will play out this offseason. But again, as of right now,
• 24:24
  Speaker 1: my expectation is he stays. All right, one more question
• 24:28
  Speaker 1: before we go, Let's see what we got jj Olasco again,
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  Speaker 1: what do the Pirates need to do to be successful
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  Speaker 1: next year? I want to see Skians in the postseason.
• 24:36
  Speaker 1: A lot of us want to see that. And what
• 24:38
  Speaker 1: the Pirates need to do is find some offense. Balance
• 24:41
  Speaker 1: their roster. They are good with pitching. They're really good
• 24:45
  Speaker 1: with starting pitching. They've got depth there. They can trade
• 24:48
  Speaker 1: a starting pitcher, not Skiings, but another starting pitcher, maybe
• 24:52
  Speaker 1: Mitch Keller, maybe someone else to get the bats that
• 24:55
  Speaker 1: they need. They've resisted doing that, and I understand you've
• 24:58
  Speaker 1: built this pitching. You don't want to break it up
• 25:00
  Speaker 1: when it's so fragile. But at the same time, the
• 25:03
  Speaker 1: Pirates obviously need to get more offense. Their general manager
• 25:08
  Speaker 1: Ben Sherrington, Pirates owner Bob Nutting kept him well. Now
• 25:11
  Speaker 1: he's got to do some things to improve this team
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  Speaker 1: in a way that like the Tigers with Scooball, you
• 25:18
  Speaker 1: would want to take advantage of having schemes and you've
• 25:21
  Speaker 1: got them for longer than the Tigers do with Scooball.
• 25:24
  Speaker 1: All right, that is it for today's show. I want
• 25:26
  Speaker 1: to thank everyone for watching, for listening. Foul Territory is
• 25:30
  Speaker 1: coming up. It's Jace Tangler, new Giants coach, Chris Kershcher
• 25:33
  Speaker 1: of the Athletic Ryan Divish from the Seattle Times and
• 25:38
  Speaker 1: you're going to join Scott aj and Eric Kratz. Fair
• 25:41
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  Speaker 1: twelve thirty Eastern. I'll talk to you then. Thanks everyone,