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Travel Routers & AI · I Think Less of You Podcast

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SPEAKER_01: Uh, 2.48, yeah.
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SPEAKER_00: Yeah, that's fair.
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SPEAKER_00: Here in God's time, it's still fairly early in the morning.
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SPEAKER_01: Well, I am in Ireland, so I am not in God's time.
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SPEAKER_01: And as we sit here, I'm going to be eating cheese.
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SPEAKER_00: Myrtle Beach, South Carolina.
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SPEAKER_00: All right.
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SPEAKER_00: Not the ideal time for it, but also the hotel was very cheap.
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SPEAKER_00: It was, I think, I got one room.
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SPEAKER_00: It had a separate sitting room area.
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SPEAKER_00: It was like $130, so, you know, can't complain about that.
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SPEAKER_01: I rented a house here that was $140 a night.
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SPEAKER_01: It's two bedroom.
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SPEAKER_01: It's really nice.
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SPEAKER_01: They have like really nice couches, a great TV.
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SPEAKER_01: We are just watching a lot of Bravo.
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My best friend and I came to Ireland to watch American TV shows
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and hang out together.
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You flew to Ireland to watch TV in an Irish cotton that you
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were paying to stay in.
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SPEAKER_00: That's a bold choice.
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SPEAKER_01: Bold choice, Cotton.
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SPEAKER_01: Yeah.
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SPEAKER_01: We went shopping today.
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SPEAKER_01: We went to Kenmare.
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SPEAKER_00: Which we went to not long ago.
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SPEAKER_01: I was last in with you.
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SPEAKER_01: And I actually have done a lot of the same things.
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SPEAKER_01: I did not go to the Abbey yet.
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SPEAKER_01: I don't know that we're going to.
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SPEAKER_01: I know.
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SPEAKER_00: You would be really disappointed.
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I don't get the impression that this trip is quite as centered
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on going to cool old...
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SPEAKER_00: But, you know, I was driving that whole thing.
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SPEAKER_01: Okay.
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SPEAKER_01: By you were driving, you mean you were the driver behind it.
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SPEAKER_01: I was physically the driver.
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SPEAKER_00: You were physically driving.
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I was looking up cool old ruins and random,
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what's that,
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a rail car things.
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SPEAKER_00: It was a cable car.
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SPEAKER_00: Whatever, cable car, rail car.
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SPEAKER_00: They're all rail cars.
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SPEAKER_00: The rails are in different locations.
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SPEAKER_01: No, sir.
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SPEAKER_01: One is cables.
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SPEAKER_01: One is a rail.
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SPEAKER_01: They're famously very different.
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SPEAKER_01: They even have different names.
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SPEAKER_00: Right.
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SPEAKER_00: Yeah, so we are both on the road traveling.
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You were just mocking me because I was talking about my travel
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router that I set up
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SPEAKER_00: literally as soon as I get into any hotel.
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SPEAKER_00: But travel routers are great.
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SPEAKER_00: Everyone should have,
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SPEAKER_00: if you travel with any frequency,
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SPEAKER_00: everyone should have a travel router,
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SPEAKER_00: even if you just go visit people that you know.
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SPEAKER_00: Travel routers are great because in this day and age,
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SPEAKER_00: everyone has a galaxy of different electronics.
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SPEAKER_00: You have iPads, you have laptops, you have your phones.
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SPEAKER_00: And what I do with the travel router,
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SPEAKER_00: if you get a nice travel router,
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SPEAKER_00: what you do is you either get the login information for the hotel,
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SPEAKER_00: you get the login information for the friend's house you're staying at,
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SPEAKER_00: you plug in the travel router.
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SPEAKER_00: If you name the travel router network the same as your home internet,
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All you have to do is just hook the travel router into the
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internet of the place
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SPEAKER_00: you're staying,
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and everything that you own will all automatically find it and
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hook into it.
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SPEAKER_00: So it makes life super easy.
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SPEAKER_00: It creates your own little internet bubble,
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SPEAKER_00: which is a whole extra layer of safety,
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which I think people who are staying in hotels don't think a
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lot about how open
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SPEAKER_00: hotel networks are to being able to bat door into your computer,
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SPEAKER_00: into your whatever.
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SPEAKER_00: So travel routers, fantastic.
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SPEAKER_00: I think TP Link makes some.
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SPEAKER_00: I have a thing called GL.net.
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SPEAKER_00: They make a lot.
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SPEAKER_00: I got a Black Friday deal on a new one recently.
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SPEAKER_00: It's fantastic.
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SPEAKER_00: I love it.
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SPEAKER_00: So you were mocking my travel router.
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SPEAKER_00: It is both efficient and it is safety conscious.
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SPEAKER_01: Okay, so I was mocking you, but also because I have my own sort.
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SPEAKER_01: It's not a router.
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SPEAKER_01: But I just got my Starlink Mini that they sent me for free.
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SPEAKER_01: So I have a travel Starlink now.
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SPEAKER_01: Did not pack it to Ireland because that would have made sense.
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So the Starlink Mini sounds like it's basically a travel router
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that just works
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SPEAKER_00: through Starlink.
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SPEAKER_01: Except it's a dish.
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SPEAKER_01: Like, it's a mini.
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SPEAKER_01: What do you put it?
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SPEAKER_01: Outside or like you mounted on a window.
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SPEAKER_01: We got a window mount or you just.
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So when we were in when we were in the mountains before we
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left,
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Luke just set it up.
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SPEAKER_01: So it was like sitting on the patio outside.
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SPEAKER_00: And then it gets rained on.
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SPEAKER_01: Well, it's a mini satellite dish.
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SPEAKER_01: It's meant to be rained on.
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SPEAKER_01: OK.
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SPEAKER_00: And then do you just like to pick up Wi-Fi from it?
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SPEAKER_00: Does it have its own Wi-Fi broadcast?
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SPEAKER_01: Yeah, it's its own.
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SPEAKER_01: It's its own.
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SPEAKER_01: It's its own little mini dish.
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SPEAKER_01: My parents have one.
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SPEAKER_00: I think especially given that pretty much if you're like,
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I can see that being extremely useful if you are deep woods
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camping or something.
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SPEAKER_00: Yeah, like my parents take it on their RV.
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SPEAKER_01: Yeah.
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SPEAKER_00: Yeah, that makes sense.
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If you're staying in a hotel,
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though,
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I think that's probably overkill,
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to be honest.
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SPEAKER_01: Yes, although it is currently in Phoenix.
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SPEAKER_01: I am in Ireland.
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SPEAKER_01: My husband is in Colorado.
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SPEAKER_01: My children are in Phoenix.
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SPEAKER_01: And our Starlink is there with them because...
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SPEAKER_01: They,
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SPEAKER_01: um,
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my kids do an online homeschool hybrid and we blew through my
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dad's like broadband
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SPEAKER_01: allowance in day two.
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SPEAKER_01: So we brought it with us this time.
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SPEAKER_00: He has a broadband allowance?
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SPEAKER_00: What was he using?
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SPEAKER_00: AOL dial-up?
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SPEAKER_01: I have no, like, I don't, I don't know.
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SPEAKER_00: Do there people out there still running on limited internet?
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SPEAKER_01: Well,
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SPEAKER_01: no,
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but I think because my son plays video games on it and they're
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on Zoom all day,
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SPEAKER_01: they really go through a lot of...
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SPEAKER_01: I don't know.
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SPEAKER_00: I just don't know.
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SPEAKER_00: If you have a cell phone network, I know you can have issues with that.
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SPEAKER_00: Would they have that T-Mobile thing?
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SPEAKER_00: I know T-Mobile has a internet.
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SPEAKER_00: So the other thing is...
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the other thing is my parents um have an rv and leave a lot so
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i don't know my dad
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might have like a cheap plan because they're not always there
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they're gone a lot so
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yeah it might be some weird cheap cable plan and they only get
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so much amount i
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don't know my dad's really cheap about weird things i'm like
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you don't have to be
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SPEAKER_00: cheap but okay well that's that's how you get money by saving money
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That's how I'm going to have a nice inheritance because he's
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skimping out on his internet.
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SPEAKER_00: So, yeah.
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SPEAKER_00: Myrtle Beach, the gray skies, angry sea.
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SPEAKER_00: That's right.
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SPEAKER_01: Hey, same here in Ireland.
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SPEAKER_00: Ireland's a bit more known for that than Myrtle Beach,
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SPEAKER_00: but it's also Myrtle Beach in December,
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SPEAKER_00: so.
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SPEAKER_01: There was snow on the mountains as I was driving through.
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SPEAKER_01: And you know that I'm a mountain person and I'm a snow person.
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SPEAKER_01: And I was so excited.
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SPEAKER_00: Yeah, that's fantastic.
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SPEAKER_01: I couldn't get to the snow unless I wanted to go hiking.
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SPEAKER_01: And that's not the kind of trip that I'm on.
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SPEAKER_01: But I could see it.
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SPEAKER_01: And I was like, snow in Ireland.
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SPEAKER_01: I was really excited.
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When it snowed,
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we were in Scotland last year for Thanksgiving with my kids.
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SPEAKER_01: And it snowed in Inverness.
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SPEAKER_01: And we were so excited to be in Scotland in really big snow.
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SPEAKER_01: We found that thrilling.
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SPEAKER_01: It's really simple things, you know.
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SPEAKER_00: No, no.
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SPEAKER_00: Simple things.
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SPEAKER_01: Going to Europe and seeing snow.
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SPEAKER_00: The simple things in traveling are often the best.
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Finding the really cool little hole-in-the-wall restaurant with
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great food.
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SPEAKER_00: You know,
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finding the cool old ruin on the side of the road that you
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hadn't even been looking
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SPEAKER_00: for.
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SPEAKER_00: That kind of thing.
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Or,
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you know,
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you can go out and party or whatever it is you people do now.
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SPEAKER_00: I don't know.
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SPEAKER_01: I went out one night.
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SPEAKER_00: Associate with other humans.
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SPEAKER_01: We went to Christmas.
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SPEAKER_01: Okay.
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SPEAKER_01: So Galway is kind of Christmas central in Ireland.
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SPEAKER_01: Of course, in Dublin, there's a lot.
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We're only spending one night in Dublin because Dublin is not
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my favorite city,
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SPEAKER_01: but they do a Christmas market and go really big.
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SPEAKER_01: And we flew in and out of Dublin.
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SPEAKER_01: The Shannon airport doesn't really have any flights during winter.
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SPEAKER_01: So we're going to go to Dublin one night and we'll go out
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SPEAKER_01: to the Christmas markets and the Christmas bars.
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SPEAKER_01: But we started in Galway.
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SPEAKER_01: And in Galway, all of their bars are super decorated for Christmas.
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I don't know if you saw on Twitter,
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I posted some of the bars that we were in.
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SPEAKER_01: It just looked like Christmas threw up everywhere.
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SPEAKER_01: I think I saw that, yeah.
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so excited we're a Christmas sweater it was great um tomorrow
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night in Killarney is
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their Christmas parade and the whole town comes out we bought
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like headbands I have
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like light up necklaces and stuff and we're just I have brought
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I have crazy
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Christmas I'm wearing a sweater right now that says follow la
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la la and has
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SPEAKER_01: Christmas trees on it because I am an insane person um
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I brought a different Christmas sweater for every single day
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that I'm here.
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And today I went to Aldi to buy two new Christmas sweaters
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because the Aldi
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SPEAKER_01: Christmas sweaters came out in their limited edition.
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SPEAKER_01: And I know you are ready to tear your ears off listening to this,
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SPEAKER_01: but I'm crazy and I love Christmas.
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SPEAKER_00: I'm indescribably happy not to be on this particular trip to Ireland.
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SPEAKER_01: You would have fun.
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SPEAKER_01: I am fun.
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SPEAKER_01: Watching me enjoy things is fun.
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SPEAKER_00: I'm not a full-on Grinch.
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SPEAKER_00: Although...
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my wife may disagree with me i'm gonna go ahead and agree with
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your wife on this
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one you you just told me i showed you before we started this i
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i was at the euro
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saver store it's like the dollar store but for euros and for a
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dollar or well like
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SPEAKER_01: a buck 10 i bought a
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cell phone charging cord that lights up like christmas lights
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and i was so stupidly
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it's wasteful it's a wasteful electricity i'm i'm surprised the
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eu hasn't banned
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that because it is wasteful electricity it is likely only a
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matter of time where
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the eu bans christmas lights because they waste electricity and
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it's precious
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SPEAKER_00: resource there
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SPEAKER_01: Well, first of all, a lot of Christmas lights you can get are solar.
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SPEAKER_01: Second of all, I just like whimsy.
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SPEAKER_01: We've talked about this before.
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SPEAKER_01: I like really whimsical, dumb stuff.
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And I got an oldie Christmas sweater and I got a phone charger
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that looks like Christmas lights.
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SPEAKER_01: I'm so ridiculously happy.
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SPEAKER_01: It's stupid.
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SPEAKER_01: It takes very little.
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SPEAKER_00: I'm glad.
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SPEAKER_00: I'm glad you're having fun.
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SPEAKER_01: Yeah.
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SPEAKER_01: Yeah.
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SPEAKER_01: You know.
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SPEAKER_01: My trip started off horribly, so I'm just glad I didn't die.
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SPEAKER_00: Has your stuff actually arrived?
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SPEAKER_00: Has your luggage, did it show up?
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SPEAKER_01: So it did.
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I was flying through O'Hare on apparently the biggest snowstorm
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they've had in like five years.
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SPEAKER_01: You would think that Chicago could handle four or five inches of snow.
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SPEAKER_01: Turns out they cannot, which is wild to me.
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SPEAKER_01: I don't understand why the snowstorm shut it down as bad as it did
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SPEAKER_01: Until my plane was landing and then I totally got it because,
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SPEAKER_01: well,
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SPEAKER_01: first of all,
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SPEAKER_01: it took all day.
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SPEAKER_01: I booked my tickets.
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SPEAKER_01: My husband and I were both flying out of Phoenix at 830 in the morning.
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SPEAKER_01: I stood with him on his flight.
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SPEAKER_01: I was like, oh, mine's delayed 45 minutes.
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SPEAKER_01: It'll be fine.
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SPEAKER_01: I'll get in.
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SPEAKER_01: I had like a six hour layover.
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SPEAKER_01: It was going to be perfect.
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I was just going to sit in the Polaris lounge,
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like move along with my day.
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SPEAKER_01: And my flight kept getting pushed back further, further, further.
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SPEAKER_01: Luke lands,
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SPEAKER_01: goes home,
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SPEAKER_01: unpacks,
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SPEAKER_01: goes to a hockey game,
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is back from the hockey game back home before my flight took
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off to Chicago.
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SPEAKER_01: I was delayed like 12 hours total.
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SPEAKER_01: So I missed my flight to Ireland, had to wait for the next flight.
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SPEAKER_01: Landed Chicago.
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As we're landing in Chicago at 11 o'clock at night,
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massive blizzard,
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huge wind.
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SPEAKER_01: Our plane had to hard bank pull out of two landings.
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SPEAKER_01: Like an emergency.
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SPEAKER_01: The landing gear was down.
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SPEAKER_01: They had to pull the landing gear back up twice.
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SPEAKER_01: And really hard.
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Yeah,
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I thought you were saying they bounced off the runway twice,
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which is also terrifying.
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SPEAKER_00: Both of these are terrifying.
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SPEAKER_00: Sometimes they will have to bounce off the runway.
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SPEAKER_00: Yeah.
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SPEAKER_01: Yeah.
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SPEAKER_01: When we landed, we did skid a ways.
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SPEAKER_01: We didn't skid off the runway.
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SPEAKER_01: We did eventually stop.
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SPEAKER_01: But they had to abort the landing twice.
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SPEAKER_00: And to the point that even... You complain about Chicago.
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SPEAKER_00: I want to point out, you will talk a big game of, oh, you get snow.
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SPEAKER_00: You don't get lake effect snow.
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You don't understand what lake effect snow is or how quickly it
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comes out of
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SPEAKER_00: literally nowhere and just dumps on you.
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SPEAKER_01: Sure.
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SPEAKER_01: But this is what I'm saying.
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SPEAKER_01: Like, you're Chicago.
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SPEAKER_01: You have lake effects.
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SPEAKER_01: No, you should be used to this.
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SPEAKER_01: This was four or five inches.
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SPEAKER_01: No, there's no getting used to it.
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SPEAKER_01: It was four or five inches all day long.
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SPEAKER_01: You can plow four or five inches all day long.
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SPEAKER_00: No.
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SPEAKER_01: What the real big problem was was the freaking wind that was,
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SPEAKER_01: like,
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SPEAKER_01: I mean,
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SPEAKER_00: even the flight attendants.
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SPEAKER_01: Yeah.
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SPEAKER_01: I mean, yeah.
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SPEAKER_01: I'm blonde.
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SPEAKER_01: Just give it to me.
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Even though that was actually a political reference is why it's
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called that,
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but.
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SPEAKER_01: Also, it is very windy there.
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SPEAKER_01: Yes.
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SPEAKER_01: Even the flight attendants were horrified.
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SPEAKER_01: They weren't talking at all.
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SPEAKER_01: And they were like, what's going on?
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SPEAKER_01: What's going on?
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SPEAKER_01: And they're trying to call the captain.
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And they were like,
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well,
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he's not going to answer because he's trying not to kill us.
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SPEAKER_01: It was really... I've been on some scary flights, like...
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SPEAKER_01: Well, those are for another day.
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SPEAKER_01: But I've been on some flights that I was like, this is it.
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SPEAKER_01: And this was probably one of the scariest ones I've been on.
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SPEAKER_00: Yeah.
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No,
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I just want to...
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Anytime...
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If anyone references anything that's a mountain...
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SPEAKER_00: That isn't in the Rockies.
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SPEAKER_00: You get all sniffy about it.
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SPEAKER_00: I'm like, oh, well, that's not a mountain.
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Anytime anyone references snow,
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you're always like,
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oh,
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well,
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you don't know.
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SPEAKER_00: I will say you don't know snow when it comes to life.
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SPEAKER_01: The Denver airport sucks and they can't handle snow.
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SPEAKER_01: I will say we are not the greatest either.
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SPEAKER_01: I just expect Chicago to be able to because they should be used to it.
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SPEAKER_01: That's all I'm saying.
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SPEAKER_00: One time I was driving around.
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SPEAKER_00: I was driving along the southern... I don't remember what road it is.
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SPEAKER_00: There's an interstate that runs right along the south of Lake Michigan.
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SPEAKER_00: I was driving along.
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SPEAKER_00: I was driving, I think, between Chicago and Ann Arbor.
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SPEAKER_00: Beautiful booze of winter.
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SPEAKER_00: I think this actually probably happened near Gary.
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SPEAKER_00: I was driving along.
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SPEAKER_00: Beautiful blue day.
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SPEAKER_00: Gorgeous sun was out.
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SPEAKER_00: And up ahead, I just saw white.
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SPEAKER_00: There was just this massive curtain of white.
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SPEAKER_00: So I'm driving through this gorgeous blue sun, sunshiny day.
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And about five minutes later,
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I'm in just a catastrophically bad blizzard.
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SPEAKER_00: The blizzard, I drive like 10 miles along.
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SPEAKER_00: I'm out the other side of the blizzard, gorgeous blue day.
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SPEAKER_00: And lake effect snow is weird.
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SPEAKER_00: It pops up out of nowhere.
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SPEAKER_00: And you never know how much you're getting.
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SPEAKER_01: I love that you're telling me this.
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SPEAKER_01: Like, I didn't live in Madison, Wisconsin for a long time.
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SPEAKER_01: Like, I understand some creepy.
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SPEAKER_01: I was in Chicago and Milwaukee all the time.
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SPEAKER_00: You didn't live it, though.
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SPEAKER_00: Although Wisconsin doesn't count.
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SPEAKER_00: Cheese state.
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SPEAKER_00: I was just eating cheese right there, too.
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It's somewhat more defensible for you to be eating random
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things like cheese at 3
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SPEAKER_00: o'clock in the afternoon as opposed to normally when I see it at 7 a.m.
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SPEAKER_00: and you're sitting there munching on random cheese.
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SPEAKER_01: Usually it's night.
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SPEAKER_01: No, because I'm like Tina Fey.
16:58
SPEAKER_01: I'm working on my night cheese.
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SPEAKER_01: I eat cheese around the clock.
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SPEAKER_01: My friend was like, you realize you eat a lot of cheese, right?
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SPEAKER_01: Yes, I know I do.
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SPEAKER_01: I could live on cheese alone.
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SPEAKER_00: So this is probably going to be a somewhat shorter chat than normal,
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SPEAKER_00: because I got to be out of my hotel by 11,
17:16
SPEAKER_00: and I still got to get my stuff together and whatnot.
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But we haven't recorded in,
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what,
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a week and a half now,
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largely because of me.
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SPEAKER_00: My wife's grandmother lives in Myrtle Beach, that's why I'm here.
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SPEAKER_00: For Thanksgiving,
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SPEAKER_00: I went down,
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SPEAKER_00: I picked her up,
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SPEAKER_00: drove her up to our house,
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SPEAKER_00: and we drove to her parents' house with her.
17:35
SPEAKER_00: She hasn't been to her parents' house in some time, or to her, I guess,
17:40
SPEAKER_00: my wife's parents, my wife's grandmother's kid's house.
17:45
SPEAKER_00: So, and then she was staying with us.
17:48
SPEAKER_00: So there just really wasn't a good time or place to record really.
17:52
SPEAKER_00: So we didn't record.
17:53
SPEAKER_00: So I felt bad about that.
17:54
SPEAKER_00: So we're recording today.
17:55
SPEAKER_01: We're gonna work on this, but it's okay.
17:57
SPEAKER_01: We're gonna find a good solution.
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But because today is going to be abbreviated somewhat,
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I wanna get to,
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you are very energized.
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SPEAKER_00: Rightly so, I think, about Google's AI moves recently.
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And I want to make sure because I think that you are – this is
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an area that I think
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you really – you have a good perspective on as someone who
18:24
creates and drives much
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SPEAKER_00: of your revenue through Google.
18:28
SPEAKER_00: And this – Google's AI moves.
18:32
SPEAKER_00: directly affect.
18:33
SPEAKER_00: So I really want to hear you talk because I don't entirely understand it.
18:38
SPEAKER_00: I understand this is a problem.
18:39
SPEAKER_00: I understand most of it.
18:41
SPEAKER_00: And I am interested in this.
18:42
SPEAKER_00: I think other people would be too.
18:44
SPEAKER_00: So take it away.
18:45
SPEAKER_01: Sorry, I was trying not to burp.
18:48
SPEAKER_01: I'm a really classy lady.
18:50
SPEAKER_01: You picked a really, really awesome co-host.
18:54
So Google has recently expanded their AI preview function in
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Google search.
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SPEAKER_00: Explain what that is.
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SPEAKER_00: When you search, people have noticed.
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SPEAKER_00: I actually really like it.
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SPEAKER_00: It's quite handy for quickly collating information.
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SPEAKER_00: When you search for something, it gives you a little block at the top.
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SPEAKER_01: It's actually plagiarism.
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SPEAKER_01: They are stealing all of our original content.
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Google is scanning original content,
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summarizing it,
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so that people stay in Google and...
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SPEAKER_01: avoid clicking through to websites.
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SPEAKER_01: Google is taking like I am a food blogger.
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SPEAKER_01: Google will list out the entire recipe,
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SPEAKER_01: all of the ingredients,
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SPEAKER_01: all of the steps so that you can go there.
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SPEAKER_01: You don't have to click.
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SPEAKER_01: You don't see any of my ads,
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SPEAKER_01: which,
19:43
SPEAKER_01: by the way,
19:43
SPEAKER_01: don't really understand because I run Google ads on my site.
19:47
SPEAKER_00: Google's getting money from those ads, too.
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Like,
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I don't understand why they have to have all of it,
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but they want you to stay in Google.
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Say this ends up taking out my site,
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which I'm already down 20% this year.
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SPEAKER_01: I don't know what next year is going to be.
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SPEAKER_01: It's actually very scary.
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SPEAKER_01: Say my blog shuts down and I am not running it anymore.
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SPEAKER_01: Google now has all of my content.
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SPEAKER_01: It doesn't even matter.
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SPEAKER_01: They just plagiarize everything that we have and put it up for free.
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SPEAKER_01: They didn't have to do any work.
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SPEAKER_01: And using those AI summaries,
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SPEAKER_01: yeah,
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SPEAKER_01: it can help you see if you're going the right way for search.
20:28
SPEAKER_01: But Google search is horrible in the first place.
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So many people aren't using Google because their search results
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are just absolutely abysmal.
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SPEAKER_01: Or they get these AI things and...
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Then they never click through because Google just gives all of
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the content right up front.
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SPEAKER_01: There's no incentive to click through.
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SPEAKER_01: You are just given everything that I have worked so hard on.
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SPEAKER_01: I mean, as a food blogger, I have to buy the food.
20:58
SPEAKER_01: I have to photograph the food.
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SPEAKER_01: I have to test the food.
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SPEAKER_01: I have to try it again and again.
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SPEAKER_01: I employ people to edit.
21:04
SPEAKER_01: I need more editors.
21:06
SPEAKER_01: Yeah.
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SPEAKER_01: It costs a lot of money to do all of this.
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SPEAKER_01: And Google just takes all of my work and puts it up for free.
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SPEAKER_01: It is enraging.
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SPEAKER_01: The other reason I'm actually really fired up about this,
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SPEAKER_01: if you take that and expand it to say news,
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We look to news organizations because we want to get a really
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good take on what's
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SPEAKER_01: going on in the world.
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SPEAKER_01: So we want a good summary.
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SPEAKER_01: If you're looking at an AI summary,
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SPEAKER_01: think of how easily Google can manipulate original content,
21:38
SPEAKER_01: can change news.
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SPEAKER_01: And they're often wrong.
21:41
SPEAKER_01: Like even with the AI summary,
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SPEAKER_01: sometimes it's wrong when they post mine up because it's a computer.
21:48
SPEAKER_01: It messes up.
21:49
SPEAKER_01: It's not a person.
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SPEAKER_01: Think of how they can control things.
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SPEAKER_01: how data is presented.
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SPEAKER_01: And they can say, oh, it's AI.
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SPEAKER_01: You're not supposed to trust it.
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SPEAKER_01: You can go through it and
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completely change people's worldviews based on your if they own
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everything do we
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want google to be the arbiters of everything on earth do we
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want to disincentivize
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other voices and just centralize google to be the everything
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power for us it's
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actually really horrifying and scary and outside of just like
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obviously i'm really
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SPEAKER_01: fired up about it because it's my company on the line but
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SPEAKER_01: I've been working on my website for over 15 years.
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SPEAKER_01: This is my life at this point.
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And it's really insulting that it's just being given up and
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taken away from me.
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SPEAKER_01: But when you think about it from a kind of worldview area,
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SPEAKER_01: do we really want Google making all of our decisions for us at all times?
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SPEAKER_01: Do we really approve of Google's corporate messages?
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SPEAKER_01: Do we think that Google is someone that we trust with
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SPEAKER_01: our,
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SPEAKER_01: you know,
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SPEAKER_01: our education,
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SPEAKER_01: with healthcare,
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with all of the things that Google is trying to be the arbiters
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of information for,
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SPEAKER_01: it's actually really horrifying to think about.
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SPEAKER_00: Yeah,
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SPEAKER_00: I mean,
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I think the promise of the internet was always the
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democratization of information,
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SPEAKER_00: the democratization of like,
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SPEAKER_00: you know,
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SPEAKER_00: that every man has a voice,
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SPEAKER_00: every man who...
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wishes to have a voice and has something to say can have a
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voice as long as that
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thing they have to say resonates um and more and more and
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people have been talking
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about this off and on but i think feel like with ai it's
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speeding up more and more
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it is now there are a limited number of corporations that now
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control the entire
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SPEAKER_00: voice
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uh and they're using it they're using ai to steal the voices of
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others which i i do
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think is a problem which is so funny because this is what they
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were all freaking
23:55
out about with net neutrality when they were freaking out like
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a sheep high killed
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the internet it's only going to be one person as the arbiter
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and then they wouldn't
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SPEAKER_01: go they went ahead and did it themselves yeah
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SPEAKER_00: Well, the net neutrality things.
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SPEAKER_01: No, that's a whole different thing.
24:14
SPEAKER_01: I know.
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SPEAKER_00: Well, one of these days we should discuss the net neutrality things.
24:18
SPEAKER_00: I think that's a fun thing to discuss.
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I have a fantastic friend who was Ajit Pai's number two who
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would come on and talk
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SPEAKER_01: about it with us.
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SPEAKER_01: It would actually be really, really fun.
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SPEAKER_01: You would like him a lot.
24:34
SPEAKER_00: Ajit Pai follows me on Twitter, so maybe I can drop him and
24:39
dm and be like hey what i'm on our podcast 10 people listen to
24:46
okay okay sir we
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have a couple hundred my friend that i'm here with actually oh
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i was like please
24:54
don't tell me if you listen like i i get really self-conscious
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which is stupid
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because i'm a creator and then i'm like don't tell me if you
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listen to my stuff but
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SPEAKER_00: please listen yeah no i uh i i
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It is possible to break through the barriers of the giant
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corporations on these things.
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SPEAKER_00: It's very difficult,
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SPEAKER_00: the infrastructure,
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SPEAKER_00: and by and large,
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anyone has historically come actually close to competing or
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having a new idea that
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would likely compete with one of the large corporations that
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buys up that company.
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I think that this is – we are in desperate need of a major
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trust-busting of
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SPEAKER_00: companies like Google,
25:46
SPEAKER_00: Netflix –
25:49
SPEAKER_01: I'm not a huge regulation person.
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If you bring up regulations,
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that's rarely the route that I'm going to take.
25:56
SPEAKER_01: We are so far beyond the point of needing regulation when it comes to AI,
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SPEAKER_01: when it comes to Google search.
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SPEAKER_01: I will say, like, even for ChatGPT, I'm going to give them credit.
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Right now,
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all of the losses that I've seen on my website are not from AI.
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SPEAKER_01: It's not from people going and getting things other places.
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SPEAKER_01: It is from Google's
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SPEAKER_00: Well, it is from AI.
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SPEAKER_00: Google AI.
26:20
SPEAKER_01: Well, yeah, which Google AI, I'm sorry, it's not actually totally AI.
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SPEAKER_01: It doesn't function in the way that ChatGPT does.
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SPEAKER_01: It's literally just scanning my site and giving you the result.
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SPEAKER_01: It is so freaking insulting.
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SPEAKER_00: It isn't an iterative AI.
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SPEAKER_01: It's literally plagiarism.
26:39
SPEAKER_01: Like, that's all it is.
26:42
SPEAKER_00: File a lawsuit.
26:43
SPEAKER_00: I feel like establishing standing would be difficult.
26:47
SPEAKER_01: People are talking about that, but it is, it's really hard.
26:50
SPEAKER_01: And like, it's not, what am I going to do?
26:54
SPEAKER_01: Sue Google?
26:56
SPEAKER_00: I don't make enough to even hire a lawyer.
26:59
SPEAKER_00: You have to be able to definitively prove that they had stolen your work
27:04
SPEAKER_00: specifically,
27:05
SPEAKER_00: that you had been making money off of that specific work,
27:10
SPEAKER_00: that you had lost money relative,
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SPEAKER_00: which is,
27:13
SPEAKER_01: I can prove that.
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SPEAKER_00: We're running into these areas like this where the law at this point is
27:22
SPEAKER_00: ill-equipped to deal with the law.
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SPEAKER_00: We need ideally a functioning government that can write new laws.
27:30
SPEAKER_00: Yeah.
27:31
SPEAKER_00: Because we need a massive amount of regulatory.
27:33
SPEAKER_00: I agree with you.
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SPEAKER_00: I'm not a regulation guy either.
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I think many regulations that we have on the books dealing with
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many things need to
27:40
SPEAKER_00: be pulled back,
27:42
SPEAKER_00: especially to do with travel.
27:45
SPEAKER_00: I think that when it comes to the internet, it is too unregulated.
27:49
SPEAKER_00: I hate to say that because,
27:50
SPEAKER_00: again,
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the dream of the internet was always the internet would be the
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open place of
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SPEAKER_00: debate.
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um you it i do not see a first amendment ground that you could
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overturn a law that
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would regulate google ability to mine its own to mine the
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internet and steal
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people's words um with that um i but yeah i agree we need laws
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on this and we do
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SPEAKER_00: not have a functioning government that can get laws passed
28:21
SPEAKER_01: Well,
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I will say I'm going to give credit where it is due and it is
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not due on our side
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SPEAKER_01: of the aisle.
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In the last administration,
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there were actually lots of talks and roundtables.
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Chuck Schumer spearheaded a working group looking at AI and
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trying to formulate AI.
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SPEAKER_01: Which, by the way, should be a warning call to Republicans.
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You think they would see that and be like,
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oh,
28:47
the Democrats are trying to control this.
28:49
SPEAKER_01: And they got together with Google and with Elon and with,
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SPEAKER_01: why can't I think of his name,
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SPEAKER_01: Sam Ullman.
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They were meeting with all of the AI heads and trying to figure
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it out so they could work it.
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How Republicans are continuing to sit on this and don't realize
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that this is their
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SPEAKER_01: shot and they are going to give away control.
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SPEAKER_01: If they don't do this, Democrats will.
29:16
SPEAKER_01: They are hot on the tails.
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SPEAKER_01: They are chomping at the bit.
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SPEAKER_01: They are learning about it.
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SPEAKER_01: They want to get in.
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SPEAKER_01: They see the need for regulation.
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SPEAKER_01: Do you want them to be the ones to do it?
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SPEAKER_00: Part of the problem is, I will say, I think that...
29:33
SPEAKER_00: I understand what you were saying.
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I think if you break it down for a lot of people,
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they understand what you were saying.
29:37
SPEAKER_00: But...
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SPEAKER_00: A lot of people like the Google AI thing.
29:42
A lot of people like that they can just search something and
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Google will tell them the answer.
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SPEAKER_00: I will say I have certainly been guilty of,
29:49
SPEAKER_00: I don't remember,
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SPEAKER_00: the other day I was cooking something.
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SPEAKER_00: I was like, I need to know how long I cook this thing for.
29:53
SPEAKER_00: I Googled how long I cook this thing.
29:55
SPEAKER_00: Historically,
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SPEAKER_00: what I would have done was I would go to a website and I would find,
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SPEAKER_00: like,
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SPEAKER_00: I would use another recipe someone else had written,
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SPEAKER_00: like a rough framework around the recipe I was working with.
30:05
SPEAKER_01: Yeah, basically, we know you're not going to use mine.
30:08
SPEAKER_00: I'm going to be honest.
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SPEAKER_00: I'm kidding.
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SPEAKER_00: This isn't even an America's Test Kitchen thing.
30:13
SPEAKER_00: This is a – I Google – and you referenced this before.
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SPEAKER_00: This is before I knew you, but this is how I've always done it.
30:20
SPEAKER_00: I know.
30:20
SPEAKER_00: I'm kidding.
30:21
SPEAKER_01: I'm totally kidding.
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SPEAKER_01: I'm giving you crap.
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You Google the thing and then you look at the first – and
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honestly – and you
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SPEAKER_00: referenced this before.
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Google has always had a huge amount of power over you because
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the – when I Google a
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SPEAKER_00: recipe,
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SPEAKER_00: generally –
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google pops up at the top on my phone with four recommendations
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for that recipe and
30:42
i look at the and i look at the recommendations and i see which
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one looks most
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interesting so google already had that power of being like are
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you going to be one
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of those four i would assume um uh but now if i need to know
30:56
the timing to cook
30:57
something i don't have to click through to a recipe to see it i
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just google it but
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SPEAKER_00: a lot but
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SPEAKER_00: Like I said, I understand why this is a problem for you.
31:04
SPEAKER_00: You explained it to me.
31:06
SPEAKER_00: I understand why.
31:06
SPEAKER_00: And a long-term problem for all of us.
31:08
SPEAKER_00: But to most people, they're happy about this.
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They can get that answer they want real fast without having to
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sort through any
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SPEAKER_00: website that you just go into the Google.
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SPEAKER_00: So one of the problems,
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SPEAKER_00: I think,
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with actually getting legislation passed on this is Google will
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go to people and
31:24
SPEAKER_00: say,
31:24
SPEAKER_00: hey,
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SPEAKER_00: we got this thing you all love.
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SPEAKER_00: And they're trying to take it away from you.
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um and get it's one of those things where educating the public
31:35
on why this is a
31:36
problem why this thing that they like and find convenient is a
31:40
downstream problem i
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think is would be uh uh it's going to be a task one of the
31:49
reasons that one of the
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SPEAKER_00: reasons i wanted to you to talk about it for
31:53
SPEAKER_00: I think some of our two dozen listeners may stop undercutting us.
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SPEAKER_01: Sir, we don't may not be aware.
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No,
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it just I think there's real dangers in letting centralized
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power control the Internet.
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SPEAKER_01: I think all of us would agree with that.
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SPEAKER_01: And yes, I write recipes and they're not like all that original.
32:19
SPEAKER_01: There's only so many ways you can make chicken.
32:22
SPEAKER_01: But I mean,
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SPEAKER_01: you know,
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but I think it's just inherently wrong to take other people's
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work and make money
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SPEAKER_01: off of that and block their work from being shown.
32:38
SPEAKER_01: Like it is theft to me.
32:40
SPEAKER_01: Like to me, it is actually taking my work and stealing it.
32:45
SPEAKER_01: And again, it's just recipes.
32:49
But when you expand it out and you see that CNN is starting an
32:53
AI news desk,
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SPEAKER_01: MSNBC is starting an AI news desk,
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and these LLM programs that they're doing are going to be
33:04
pushing out their ideas
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SPEAKER_01: and their control.
33:08
SPEAKER_01: We're now letting...
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SPEAKER_01: Very, very serious things be handled by computers.
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SPEAKER_01: And this is what we're going to give people to vote with.
33:18
SPEAKER_01: I realize that I'm a recipe blogger,
33:21
SPEAKER_01: so people are like,
33:21
SPEAKER_01: whatever,
33:22
SPEAKER_01: we can figure out the timing of that.
33:24
SPEAKER_01: But it is a slippery slope.
33:26
SPEAKER_01: And when we allow for it with cooking,
33:30
SPEAKER_01: it spills over into other places that we don't want this happening.
33:35
SPEAKER_01: We don't want this happening with, you know, when we looked at...
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SPEAKER_00: When it comes to news,
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the issue is that so much of news has been trashed for a long
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time and it doesn't
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SPEAKER_00: matter.
33:49
SPEAKER_00: I mean, traditionally, what a news story would be would be
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SPEAKER_00: interviews with people with,
33:58
SPEAKER_00: with like,
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SPEAKER_00: you know,
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SPEAKER_00: key people,
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things that AI can't replicate interviews with key people and
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actual like,
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SPEAKER_00: you know,
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SPEAKER_00: synthesizing analysis of what the people are.
34:08
SPEAKER_00: And we're talking like,
34:09
SPEAKER_00: you know,
34:09
SPEAKER_00: 30,
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SPEAKER_00: 40,
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50 years ago,
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SPEAKER_00: this is what,
34:11
SPEAKER_00: this is what journalism was.
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It wasn't just what it's the Buzzfeed stylistical more or less
34:17
took over all like
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SPEAKER_00: that,
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SPEAKER_00: that just not even necessarily listicles with just that style of writing,
34:22
SPEAKER_00: that kind of just kind of what,
34:25
journalism had for the most part turned into ai slot before ai
34:30
was around it was
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just a dump of like a dump of information um i think there will
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continue like
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that's one of the reasons that things like barry weiss's free
34:41
press got so much
34:44
SPEAKER_00: traction and then got purchased by cbs
34:47
SPEAKER_00: is because it goes more towards that traditional style.
34:54
SPEAKER_00: And obviously the New York Times kind of goes for that as well,
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but the New York Times has problems of its own that are mostly
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due to its editorial
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SPEAKER_00: slams.
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SPEAKER_00: But CNN's crap.
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SPEAKER_00: It's been crap forever.
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It'll be crap with AI,
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but it'll just be AI crap instead of Brian Stelter crap.
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Here's the thing that scares me about that is people are
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inherently more trusting
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SPEAKER_01: when it's the computer,
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which is bonkers to me because the computer is so wrong about
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so many things.
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SPEAKER_01: But people...
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SPEAKER_01: say, oh, well, it's a computer, so it doesn't have a viewpoint.
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SPEAKER_01: That's absolutely wrong.
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SPEAKER_01: You can train these models to have very specific viewpoints.
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SPEAKER_00: You don't have to train them.
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SPEAKER_00: You can tell them in the shell the viewpoint they're supposed to have,
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SPEAKER_00: and that's the viewpoint they have.
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You can tell them to disregard any information on X,
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Y,
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or Z,
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and it'll do it.
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SPEAKER_01: But that's where I get,
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SPEAKER_01: I think that's where a big disconnect with average internet users,
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SPEAKER_01: and I wouldn't put either of us as average internet users.
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SPEAKER_01: I would put us as very heavy internet users.
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SPEAKER_01: We're very informed internet users.
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SPEAKER_01: I don't know that average users realize that.
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And I do think that average users tend to think because it's a
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computer,
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it's right.
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SPEAKER_00: Yeah.
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SPEAKER_00: No, that's, and that's,
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SPEAKER_00: I think I've said before,
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SPEAKER_00: I don't know what I've said here before,
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that one of the problems with AI is that AI is its prime
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directive for the most
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SPEAKER_00: part is to please the person who is asking the questions.
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SPEAKER_00: And it will lie to do that.
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It will just make up fake information if it thinks that that's
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what you want to hear.
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SPEAKER_00: And they haven't successfully figured out how to train it not to do that.
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sorry i was burping again i'm really the classiest person you
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don't have to tell
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you don't have i i was happily talking so to cover up i thought
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that i was making
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crazy faces on this you don't have we're not on video we're not
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doing and we could
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honestly this one actually isn't bad i should use my laptop
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more this actually
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works pretty well the camera i have this fancy camera at home
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but this actually is
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SPEAKER_01: it does you look good
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SPEAKER_01: I turned on the light like halfway through this.
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SPEAKER_01: So I look crazy because it was really dark at first.
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SPEAKER_00: Well, my lighting's a mess, but the yeah, no.
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SPEAKER_00: So I don't know.
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SPEAKER_00: I think that,
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SPEAKER_00: like I said,
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this is an area where I do think that more regulation is
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probably called for as
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SPEAKER_00: much as I do hate to call it more regulation.
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SPEAKER_01: And more regulation is being looked at.
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SPEAKER_01: Unfortunately,
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only one side of the aisle seems even remotely interested in
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looking at it,
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SPEAKER_01: which is really horrifying to me because I don't want one side.
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SPEAKER_01: I don't want just Republicans look at it either.
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SPEAKER_01: Like I want this to be a priority.
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And I am actually repulsed that congressional Republicans just
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could not care less.
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SPEAKER_00: Republicans are the deregulatory party,
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SPEAKER_00: at least in theory,
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but we haven't really been deregulating the things we need to
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be – although I say
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SPEAKER_00: that,
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SPEAKER_01: but – Also,
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SPEAKER_01: monopoly – like monopolistic regulation is not necessarily against – like
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SPEAKER_01: Republicans are okay with breaking up monopolies.
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SPEAKER_00: That's not something – People haven't actually read Adam Smith.
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Adam Smith actually goes into great detail discussing that – in
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The Wealth of
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SPEAKER_00: Nations discussing that –
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SPEAKER_00: that as bad for the markets as regulations are, monopolies are worse.
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And that the government is necessary to break up potential
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monopolies to keep
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SPEAKER_00: healthy competition in the market.
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Like I said,
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there's all kinds of companies that need to be busted up right
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now.
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SPEAKER_00: And that's just how it is.
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SPEAKER_00: Uh, I, I gotta go.
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I need to go pack up my stuff cause I gotta be out of here like
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half an hour.
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SPEAKER_00: So, uh, we can, we might try to do another way later today.
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SPEAKER_00: We'll see if that works out.
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SPEAKER_00: Otherwise we'll just try to resume our normal schedule next week.
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SPEAKER_01: I will be tomorrow.
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SPEAKER_00: I don't know.
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SPEAKER_00: We'll see.
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SPEAKER_00: I might try to, I might try to do a space tomorrow night.
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SPEAKER_00: Um, I don't know.
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SPEAKER_00: You'll be asleep.
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SPEAKER_01: Well, as you saw last night, I don't tend to sleep here.
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SPEAKER_01: But yeah, I think we did it.
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SPEAKER_01: All right.
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SPEAKER_01: Bye-bye.
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SPEAKER_01: Bye.