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Fin Doms, Sugar Mamas & Bootcamp for Men Who Can't Take Rejection · Two Personal with Joy Taylor

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  Speaker 1: Hey, everyone, Welcome to Personal with Joy Taylor. Thanks so
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  Speaker 1: What's going on, Haley?
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  Speaker 3: First of all, have you ever heard of financial submissives
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  Speaker 3: which is short for finn subs?
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  Speaker 1: I have. I think I saw an article about this.
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  Speaker 3: Okay, So these men get sexual gratification purely from sending
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  Speaker 3: money to women online, no physical contact involved. It's called
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  Speaker 3: financial domination or findom Okay. The women are called findom mess.
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  Speaker 3: They describe making five figures a month. The men describe
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  Speaker 3: it as a thrill as being about control and submission,
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  Speaker 3: not the money itself. Very interesting, some of the men
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  Speaker 3: had said in a recent interview. It's hotder to me
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  Speaker 3: if they don't need the money, if they're just taking
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  Speaker 3: it and playing with my emotion in seeing me squirm.
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  Speaker 3: When I give money to people who treat me badly,
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  Speaker 3: it's almost like I've become a part of them, part
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  Speaker 3: of their story. Listen, where are they at? Where they joy?
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  Speaker 3: Where are they?
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  Speaker 1: I will talk terrible to you. The email is two person.
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  Speaker 3: You want me you want to pay me to be me?
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  Speaker 2: Then will do anything but go to therapy specs, anything
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  Speaker 2: but go to therapy.
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  Speaker 1: No, they won't go speak.
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  Speaker 2: Take that money and talk to a professional. Listen, it's
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  Speaker 2: a kink. I guess I'm not thinking shaming.
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  Speaker 1: Okay.
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  Speaker 2: I will be a financial dominatrix.
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  Speaker 1: And I don't need it. Okay, So I am I am.
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  Speaker 2: The perfect uh, the perfect financial what is it a
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  Speaker 2: finance them?
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  Speaker 1: What do they call it?
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  Speaker 2: A fendom? I'm the perfect fendom. I don't need it,
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  Speaker 2: and I will talk.
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  Speaker 3: Shit to you five figures a month to be me.
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  Speaker 1: Listen, talking shit to men is my favorite thing to do. Okay.
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  Speaker 4: They call them pay pigs on on Twitter a pigs, Yeah,
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  Speaker 4: call them pay pigs. I seen I got friends.
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  Speaker 3: Wait, so so you know where some of them are at?
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  Speaker 1: What do you mean you have friends? I got friends
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  Speaker 1: on which side?
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  Speaker 2: Oh?
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  Speaker 4: On the like the paid getting paid time on them?
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  Speaker 1: Okay, that's important.
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  Speaker 3: Well where did they go?
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  Speaker 1: Like?
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  Speaker 3: There is there an app?
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  Speaker 1: Is there? No?
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  Speaker 4: They just do it like where I know?
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  Speaker 1: They also have the questions back, how do they find them?
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  Speaker 1: Give us?
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  Speaker 3: Give us?
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  Speaker 4: I mean they find them all over the place. I
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  Speaker 4: know I know, I do know that they have what
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  Speaker 4: is it, sugar baby apps?
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  Speaker 1: No, that's too much. They have sugar baby apps.
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  Speaker 4: I know they have those, but I mean they be
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  Speaker 4: on Twitter, like if you scowling.
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  Speaker 3: Around, like remember back page? Is there like a back
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  Speaker 3: page for them? Back page that's still around.
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  Speaker 1: I think they could. I think they cut that and
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  Speaker 1: they shut it down. It was like it was prostitution. Yeah,
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  Speaker 1: it was.
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  Speaker 2: It was getting a little illegal. I yeah, I'm down.
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  Speaker 3: Listen, what's your minimum number? Like if he's like, Okay,
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  Speaker 3: I need you to rip my heart apart for five minutes,
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  Speaker 3: I'm gonna pay you whatever you want.
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  Speaker 2: Listen, I would go, I would do this for free,
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  Speaker 2: all right, But.
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  Speaker 1: But I don't know. I think I think I probably
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  Speaker 1: started like five K, right, I.
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  Speaker 3: Mean five K for five minutes is not bad.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, I mean this is this is it's not five minutes.
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  Speaker 1: It's like a relationship. This is it's a relationship.
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  Speaker 2: But there's no any time we talk about the underworld,
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  Speaker 2: Specs got all information, Specs has all the specs, has
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  Speaker 2: the specs on all of these situations.
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  Speaker 1: What do you mean it's a relationship.
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  Speaker 2: It's a relationship, So it's not just like a one
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  Speaker 2: off thing.
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  Speaker 3: No, I gotta maintain they don't mean them.
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  Speaker 4: I mean, I think it depends on their pen pals,
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  Speaker 4: idiot kind of like it depends on the just all
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  Speaker 4: relationship that they have.
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  Speaker 1: So basically it's not a one size fits all, but.
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  Speaker 2: Like generally speaking, it's you have to maintain this level
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  Speaker 2: of animosity towards this person.
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  Speaker 1: That's what they want. Yeah, for sure, it's a lot
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  Speaker 1: of meanness.
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  Speaker 4: It's a lot of like demanding money and stuff like that.
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  Speaker 2: Fuck you, you're ugly, send me that fucking money.
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  Speaker 1: They take it so far, I'm already good.
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  Speaker 4: Yes.
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  Speaker 3: So there's a psychologist and a sex therapist who said
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  Speaker 3: she's worked with a number of them and that they've
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  Speaker 3: completely lost control of their finances and have gone into
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  Speaker 3: debt over this. Like imagine, imagine you come home.
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  Speaker 1: In my way?
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  Speaker 2: Am I listen to be clear, this is not I
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  Speaker 2: got like this much empathy and it ain't for pay pigs. Okay,
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  Speaker 2: I want to be so cleare, but it does seem
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  Speaker 2: like this could potentially be a problem for these people.
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  Speaker 1: I'm still down.
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  Speaker 3: Imagine filing bankruptcy because you paid too many women to
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  Speaker 3: be me.
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  Speaker 1: This is what you like people.
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  Speaker 2: People always people go into bankruptcy a lot for things
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  Speaker 2: that they like.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, I'm telling you, like, this is this right here?
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  Speaker 1: This is elite meanness.
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  Speaker 2: I will say shit to you that you couldn't even
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  Speaker 2: imagine that you would ever hear.
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  Speaker 1: This is this is what I was born to do.
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  Speaker 2: But god, min, I can't believe it's taken this long
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  Speaker 2: to find a name for it.
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  Speaker 3: Okay, So if you were born to do that, I
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  Speaker 3: definitely don't think you were born to do this. They
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  Speaker 3: are called there's an article from The Cut called call
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  Speaker 3: Her Mommy gen Z. Women are paying and parenting their boyfriends.
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  Speaker 2: Now.
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  Speaker 3: I know you have some stories of some funding.
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  Speaker 1: But am I the pay pig.
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  Speaker 3: I don't think it was this intense. Like the guys
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  Speaker 3: on TikTok are calling their girlfriend's mommy, Oh so weird,
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  Speaker 3: and they're calling themselves sugar babies.
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  Speaker 1: Oh it's oh, it's nasty work. Yeah, I blame the moms.
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  Speaker 2: This is why we're on your head, Hayley.
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  Speaker 1: You can't raise no bitch ass men.
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  Speaker 3: All right, I stopped the lint picking the lint out
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  Speaker 3: of aten.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, we had to get on your head about that.
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  Speaker 2: We are not raising young men to behave this way. Okay,
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  Speaker 2: absolutely not, absolutely not.
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  Speaker 1: I blame the mothers. I have to.
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  Speaker 2: I'm sorry, you know, I very rarely put this on
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  Speaker 2: put anything on women. But where where do these sons
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  Speaker 2: come from?
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  Speaker 3: Yeah, where's the hustle? Like, no one's hustlers normal, And
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  Speaker 3: I don't even mean like an illegal hustle, Like, just
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  Speaker 3: where is your hustle?
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  Speaker 1: Okay?
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  Speaker 2: So basically, the gen Z women are more advanced, they've
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  Speaker 2: got their ship together, and the gen Z boys in
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  Speaker 2: this case are just relying on their girlfriends.
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  Speaker 3: Yeah, they don't want to do anything. Play some video games?
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  Speaker 3: What do they even play for? Fortnite? What is it
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  Speaker 3: you play video games?
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  Speaker 1: Wow, I'm getting this. I've been shot. You have been
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  Speaker 1: shot and shot. They just turned and fucking on.
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  Speaker 3: But like, what are they doing? What are they doing?
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  Speaker 3: I mean, you don't want to go make any money?
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  Speaker 4: They should?
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  Speaker 2: I think this is this is a this is a
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  Speaker 2: real generational thing. Now, listen. I have I have been
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  Speaker 2: open about my financial mistakes with men in the past
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  Speaker 2: and supporting them well past.
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  Speaker 1: What was a reasonable like level of support.
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  Speaker 2: And I have been in a situation with a man
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  Speaker 2: that was sitting on the couch playing video games, not
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  Speaker 2: making any money.
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  Speaker 1: But that was short lived, and.
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  Speaker 3: You didn't want him to call you mommy weird. Imagine, hey, mommy,
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  Speaker 3: your home? How was word me?
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  Speaker 2: Not mommy, mommy, not mommy mommy? Yeah, not a little
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  Speaker 2: mommy's mommy, mommy mom Like how would you say mommy? Like?
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  Speaker 3: Okay, it's like it's your sugar baby, your sugar baby,
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  Speaker 3: and your girl comes in the house. How are you
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  Speaker 3: are you saying? Mom?
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  Speaker 1: Hi? Mom? That's not so weird.
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  Speaker 2: That's weird, and I'm sorry, And this is this is
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  Speaker 2: this is, this is with the full level of hypocrisy
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  Speaker 2: of calling men daddy, okay, right, like this is fully
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  Speaker 2: the same that it is not the same.
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  Speaker 1: It's sorry.
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  Speaker 2: I don't care if it doesn't make sense. I'm standing
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  Speaker 2: on that this is weird. Now Now, now, I will say,
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  Speaker 2: if I get to be a woman of a certain
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  Speaker 2: age and I have made a certain amount of money,
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  Speaker 2: I will be supporting some young.
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  Speaker 1: Actors in this city, Okay, And I don't want any judgments.
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  Speaker 2: I don't want to hear it from any of you,
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  Speaker 2: all right, And by young, I mean you know twenty five. Okay,
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  Speaker 2: you know that's my limit, right, but I will I
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  Speaker 2: will write some checks.
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  Speaker 1: Okay, we won't write checks anymore, but it'll all be
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  Speaker 1: above board.
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  Speaker 2: Okay, But you know, I just I wouldn't just you know,
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  Speaker 2: make sure someone has a nice life, you know, I
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  Speaker 2: think doesn't bother me too much.
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  Speaker 1: I will be a sugar mama.
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  Speaker 2: Like if I get to a certain age and I
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  Speaker 2: have decided that this is the life I'm living, I
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  Speaker 2: will be a sugar mama and I will have no
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  Speaker 2: problem with that.
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  Speaker 3: That's hilarious.
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  Speaker 1: I mean, it won't.
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  Speaker 2: It won't change my financial situation. I'm not going to
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  Speaker 2: be a pay pig like. This is like a rounding
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  Speaker 2: error type of thing. It changes someone's life. I think
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  Speaker 2: that's a nice thing to do. And in exchange, you know,
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  Speaker 2: we have a nice dinner every once in a while.
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  Speaker 3: Nice dinner, okay.
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  Speaker 2: Or I'm the nice dinner I I think. I mean,
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  Speaker 2: the gen Z thing is just crazy. I don't have
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  Speaker 2: any thoughts.
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  Speaker 1: I don't even know what to say.
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  Speaker 2: You guys raised a whole generation with your gentle parenting
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  Speaker 2: of this of nonsense.
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  Speaker 1: Boys, these are this is this is a nonsense generation.
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  Speaker 1: What do you mean? Like when people say no one
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  Speaker 1: wants to work? Anymore. It's so much deeper than just
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  Speaker 1: like people.
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  Speaker 2: Not having the same level of work ethic as like
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  Speaker 2: millennials and before.
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  Speaker 1: It's actually crazy.
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  Speaker 3: The internet ruined everything.
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  Speaker 1: It really did.
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  Speaker 3: The Internet ruined everything. But there's hope. Specs get your friends.
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  Speaker 3: They can go to a natural Attraction boot camp in Nashville.
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  Speaker 3: Have you heard of that?
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  Speaker 1: What is this?
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  Speaker 3: Tell them to get thirty okay, they pay for the weekend.
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  Speaker 3: It's a program. Okay, they learned how to talk to
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  Speaker 3: women in person. Like it's literally school, social school. Yeah,
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  Speaker 3: social school. There's exercises like soul gazing, prolonged eye contact
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  Speaker 3: without talking, which is very uncomfortable with the way, so
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  Speaker 3: imagine horrible.
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  Speaker 1: That's my idea.
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  Speaker 3: You already already kicked out of school. You looked away,
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  Speaker 3: you will see you wouldn't survive soul gazing. Many of
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  Speaker 3: the attendees went because they were lonely, divorce, frustration with
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  Speaker 3: dating apps as of their reason for joining. And it's
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  Speaker 3: crazy thirty five hundred dollars for this for two days, okay.
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  Speaker 3: The core focus is to build social confidence, improve communication,
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  Speaker 3: and tackle the fear of approaching strangers in person. Now
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  Speaker 3: we have a lot of complaints about what's going on
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  Speaker 3: with interpersonal relationships.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, we are.
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  Speaker 3: We in support of the program, the boot camp.
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  Speaker 2: So at first it does seem like this is embarrassing.
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  Speaker 2: But I have a little bit of a different perspective.
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  Speaker 1: I think that.
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  Speaker 2: Men will do anything but go to therapy and hear
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  Speaker 2: the word no.
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  Speaker 1: Rejection is a part of life.
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  Speaker 2: It is a core part of the human experience, whether
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  Speaker 2: it is in dating, whether it is in business, whether
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  Speaker 2: it is in family, whether it's in friendship. Like, you're
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  Speaker 2: going to be rejected by people, by opportunities, things are
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  Speaker 2: not always going to.
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  Speaker 1: Go your way. End.
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  Speaker 2: This idea that everything is available to you and you
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  Speaker 2: are entitled to every experience has crippled people's ability, particularly men,
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  Speaker 2: to deal with rejection. You are going to walk up
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  Speaker 2: to a woman say hey, can I buy you a drink?
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  Speaker 2: And she's gonna say no, thank you most of the time, right,
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  Speaker 2: or she's gonna say ooh, you're fucking ugly every once
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  Speaker 2: in a while, and you're gonna get your feelings hurt,
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  Speaker 2: and you're gonna walk away and you're gonna continue on
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  Speaker 2: with your night. You're not gonna murder her. You're not
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  Speaker 2: gonna stalk her and peel her skin off. You're not
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  Speaker 2: gonna throw anything at her. You're gonna be fine. And
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  Speaker 2: then you're gonna do it again. And then eventually you're
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  Speaker 2: gonna meet someone that says, yes, sit down, and you're
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  Speaker 2: gonna have a normal conversation with that person like a
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  Speaker 2: human being. And at the end of it, she may say, hey,
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  Speaker 2: this was a lovely chat and walk away and guess what,
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  Speaker 2: You're gonna live And that generation of men has disappeared,
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  Speaker 2: because again the Internet. You are not entitled to every
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  Speaker 2: beautiful woman in the world just because you have access
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  Speaker 2: to look at her.
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  Speaker 1: Like there's scales.
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  Speaker 2: Things, right, It's been that way since the beginning of time.
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  Speaker 2: If you weren't the number one warrior that has slayed
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  Speaker 2: the dragon, you can't walk in and ask for the
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  Speaker 2: prince the virgin princess, right right, Like if you're the
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  Speaker 2: stable boy and you walk into the palace and ask
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  Speaker 2: for the princess, they're gonna be head you to make
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  Speaker 2: an example of you.
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  Speaker 1: There's always been a way these things work.
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  Speaker 2: You're not every woman is not available to you, just
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  Speaker 2: like every man is not available to every woman. And
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  Speaker 2: some people just don't like you and some people don't
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  Speaker 2: want to be talked to, and some people don't want
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  Speaker 2: to be bothered, or someone might not think you're attractive,
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  Speaker 2: or someone might be going through something and that's why
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  Speaker 2: they're out Like you're not entitled to everything. Rejection is
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  Speaker 2: a normal part of life. And when did we stop
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  Speaker 2: teaching men that they are allowed to get rejected?
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  Speaker 3: That should be the boot camp the bloom deal with rejection, Like.
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  Speaker 2: A woman is just because you are nice to a woman,
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  Speaker 2: Just because you offer a woman something, just because you
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  Speaker 2: give her a compliment, does not mean you are in
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  Speaker 2: title to her time the fuck. It's so irritating that
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  Speaker 2: people can't adjust to that. And now the loneliness.
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  Speaker 1: Part, I get right. It's a lonely world.
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  Speaker 2: We have all these communication streams and we can't communicate
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  Speaker 2: with each other at all. People are worse and worse
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  Speaker 2: at putting together sentences. They rely on chat GPT to
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  Speaker 2: come up with things to say. It's disgusting out here,
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  Speaker 2: but you have to go out into the world and
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  Speaker 2: deal with rejection and also be aware.
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  Speaker 1: Of yourself. Be aware of yourself.
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  Speaker 2: I'm a thirty nine year old woman, I'm not a
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  Speaker 2: twenty one year old one hundred and three pound influencer.
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  Speaker 1: You know what, I don't try to be the twenty
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  Speaker 1: one world one hundred and szepound influencer.
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  Speaker 2: But that's not me one day. I was a long
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  Speaker 2: time ago, I was, but I'm not bad now, and
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  Speaker 2: I genuinely do not care. I don't think that every
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  Speaker 2: single man is attracted to me. Guess what, I don't
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  Speaker 2: need every single man to be attracted to me. I
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  Speaker 2: need one man to be attracted to me.
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  Speaker 1: That's it. There's more than enough.
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  Speaker 2: Like it's it's so insane to me how we've gotten
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  Speaker 2: to this point where you have to teach men how
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  Speaker 2: to properly deal with rejection. Maybe you're gonna get rejected
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  Speaker 2: a lot. You're gonna get rejected a lot in business,
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  Speaker 2: in life, the universe, money, friends, family, women, it's the
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  Speaker 2: fucking world.
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  Speaker 1: You get told.
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  Speaker 3: No, I hate it.
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  Speaker 1: I hate it.
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  Speaker 3: Don't come up to me.
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  Speaker 1: Just stop listen.
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  Speaker 3: Let me put exception.
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  Speaker 2: Because I my career is built on fans.
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  Speaker 1: So I am going to talk to you.
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  Speaker 2: I'm gonna say hello, I'm gonna chat with you. That
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  Speaker 2: does not mean I want to fuck you on God,
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  Speaker 2: it doesn't.
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  Speaker 3: No, Yeah, I don't know how you do it?
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  Speaker 2: God, it doesn't. But but I don't. I honestly don't
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  Speaker 2: deal with that a lot. Most people, ninety nine percent
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  Speaker 2: of people are very kind and they don't get.
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  Speaker 3: Weird, and it's quick like Hi, yeah, I love you,
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  Speaker 3: and I.
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  Speaker 1: Always appreciate it and I always want to say hello.
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  Speaker 2: But for other women, it's it just is it's just
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  Speaker 2: crazy to me that we've gotten to this point like
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  Speaker 2: expecting my am I ranting crazy?
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  Speaker 1: Year Like, is this a thing? No, I don't think
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  Speaker 1: you're ranting crazy?
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  Speaker 4: Uh, I think, Okay, this class, I think this class
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  Speaker 4: for men that don't even know where to fucking start.
• 17:11
  Speaker 3: Well, don't start the gas station and don't start in
• 17:13
  Speaker 3: the route grocery line.
• 17:14
  Speaker 4: Well, I mean, I don't think these men are starting anywhere.
• 17:17
  Speaker 3: I don't want to talk to you.
• 17:18
  Speaker 1: There's a thing like I think this specific class class.
• 17:22
  Speaker 4: Yeah, like this is like for men that's like literally
• 17:25
  Speaker 4: is like I can't even like talk to like the
• 17:28
  Speaker 4: librarian trying to use the like the Dewey decimales.
• 17:30
  Speaker 3: So then it's probably good for them.
• 17:32
  Speaker 1: But it's good for them.
• 17:33
  Speaker 3: In the curriculum, there needs to be a section on
• 17:35
  Speaker 3: dealing with rejection.
• 17:36
  Speaker 4: Now that would be a large, uh disservice to the
• 17:43
  Speaker 4: men that take that class. Why no, no, to not
• 17:47
  Speaker 4: have that part of the yeah, you know, to have
• 17:50
  Speaker 4: not have that lesson inside of the course. I feel
• 17:52
  Speaker 4: like a lot of times like it's nothing wrong with
• 17:54
  Speaker 4: shoot and your shot.
• 17:56
  Speaker 1: I've seen this video.
• 17:57
  Speaker 4: Actually, this dude just kept asking a bunch of women
• 17:59
  Speaker 4: for they numbered, like.
• 18:01
  Speaker 1: Back to back to back. Did he finally get one
• 18:03
  Speaker 1: one girl?
• 18:04
  Speaker 2: Did you.
• 18:06
  Speaker 1: Her number? But I think it was for like a joke.
• 18:08
  Speaker 4: But like that's fine, Like it's okay to shoot your shot,
• 18:11
  Speaker 4: but like you have to be okay. Men have to
• 18:13
  Speaker 4: be okay with being rejected, Like you're gonna hear no
• 18:16
  Speaker 4: way more times than you say.
• 18:17
  Speaker 3: And it might be a silent no. I might hit
• 18:19
  Speaker 3: you with him, and that's okay.
• 18:21
  Speaker 2: But it's also like, yeah, don't don't ever hit on
• 18:23
  Speaker 2: a woman in a in a compromising situation like a
• 18:26
  Speaker 2: gas station is crazy crazy. Do not hit on a
• 18:28
  Speaker 2: woman in a fucking parking garage. Do not hit on
• 18:31
  Speaker 2: a woman in an elevator.
• 18:32
  Speaker 1: Remember me and Haley were in an elevator together one
• 18:36
  Speaker 1: floor are you on? And floor? We were on ice?
• 18:39
  Speaker 3: Cree are you insane.
• 18:42
  Speaker 2: I went from just like mind of my business as
• 18:44
  Speaker 2: a whole fucked up. I was about to rock his shit.
• 18:51
  Speaker 2: B fuck like you're trying to die immediately the wrong city, baby,
• 18:57
  Speaker 2: they right downstairs.
• 18:59
  Speaker 1: Don't make us make a call.
• 19:02
  Speaker 3: What did you just ask me?
• 19:03
  Speaker 1: What floor am I on?
• 19:05
  Speaker 2: I will kill you, I will kill you. One of
• 19:08
  Speaker 2: us will walk out of this elevator. Maybe it'd be you,
• 19:11
  Speaker 2: maybe with me, but we ain't gonna walk out whole.
• 19:13
  Speaker 2: I promise you on that. I got my I said, so,
• 19:19
  Speaker 2: do you remember that I was fucking mad? Don't be weird?
• 19:24
  Speaker 2: All right, That's just the main thing is, don't be weird.
• 19:27
  Speaker 2: You know what I appreciate as a woman, Like out
• 19:29
  Speaker 2: in the world, I appreciate a man who is okay
• 19:33
  Speaker 2: with getting rejected. That actually make me even think about it,
• 19:37
  Speaker 2: Like if a man has the courage to walk up
• 19:40
  Speaker 2: to you, Hey, how are you doing today?
• 19:43
  Speaker 1: I'm good.
• 19:44
  Speaker 2: I saw you singing at the bar. I really like
• 19:46
  Speaker 2: to buy your drink. Oh that's okay, thank you. I'm
• 19:48
  Speaker 2: about to meet my girlfriend. But I really appreciate that.
• 19:50
  Speaker 2: Thank you very much. Okay, Well, you know I appreciate
• 19:54
  Speaker 2: your time.
• 19:54
  Speaker 1: It's so nice. To meet you. You have a nice
• 19:56
  Speaker 1: day you too, Do.
• 19:58
  Speaker 3: You know what great interaction?
• 20:00
  Speaker 1: I like that.
• 20:00
  Speaker 2: I like that interaction. Go about your day. I don't
• 20:03
  Speaker 2: need your drink, sir. I don't want to sit here
• 20:04
  Speaker 2: and talk to you. I don't want to get murdered.
• 20:07
  Speaker 2: So I'm gonna be polite.
• 20:08
  Speaker 1: And that's it. And maybe I would have said yes,
• 20:11
  Speaker 1: but so you tried it.
• 20:13
  Speaker 2: It's not hurting my feelings. It's not disrupting my day.
• 20:16
  Speaker 2: It was a fifteen second interaction. But that is what
• 20:18
  Speaker 2: a gentleman is. That's what a confident man is, and that,
• 20:22
  Speaker 2: to me, is way sexier than a man just walking
• 20:26
  Speaker 2: around being a fucking asshole. Like this man could look
• 20:31
  Speaker 2: like anything, and I think more of him for that
• 20:34
  Speaker 2: interaction than for acting crazy. Yeah, and like what I
• 20:38
  Speaker 2: would say to these men in this camp, because I
• 20:41
  Speaker 2: do agree with Specs. This is a desperation type of move.
• 20:44
  Speaker 2: The world is not as scary as you think it is.
• 20:47
  Speaker 1: Women are not that scary.
• 20:48
  Speaker 2: A lot of women, honestly, do not mind being spoken
• 20:53
  Speaker 2: to politely and don't mind a normal conversation. And if
• 20:57
  Speaker 2: you stop thinking of women as like these prizes and
• 21:01
  Speaker 2: these mystical creatures that are impossible to understand and just
• 21:05
  Speaker 2: think of them as human beings.
• 21:06
  Speaker 1: That you're attracted to.
• 21:08
  Speaker 2: It will lower the tension and the anxiety of these
• 21:12
  Speaker 2: kind of interactions. And I genuinely think the most important thing,
• 21:17
  Speaker 2: my opinion, is that people are afraid of getting rejected,
• 21:19
  Speaker 2: like they're crippling anxiety of someone saying no to them,
• 21:24
  Speaker 2: which is an almost guarantee that they are going to
• 21:28
  Speaker 2: say no to you.
• 21:29
  Speaker 1: That keeps people in these little shells. And it's it
• 21:32
  Speaker 1: is completely okay to get declined, like it's part of life.
• 21:38
  Speaker 1: It is not exclusive to men.
• 21:40
  Speaker 2: It is not exclusive to unattractive people by whatever standard
• 21:45
  Speaker 2: unattractive is. It's not exclusive to young people or old people.
• 21:48
  Speaker 2: Like everyone experiences this across the board. Some people experience
• 21:53
  Speaker 2: it more than others, sure, but that doesn't mean that
• 21:55
  Speaker 2: it's any less embarrassing or like crippling. Yes, when you
• 21:58
  Speaker 2: get told no to something that you want, it like
• 22:00
  Speaker 2: you feel something. Of course, you feel a little bit
• 22:03
  Speaker 2: of shame or embarrassment. Let that fucking go and enjoy
• 22:05
  Speaker 2: your night. You're gonna sit over there, Ma, fuck is
• 22:10
  Speaker 2: wrong with you? How did you get here?
• 22:13
  Speaker 4: Like?
• 22:13
  Speaker 1: The fuck is this person? Owe you.
• 22:14
  Speaker 2: It's really crazy behavior. But you know this is not
• 22:17
  Speaker 2: my experience. I would just say, teach your sons to
• 22:20
  Speaker 2: deal properly with rejection. And if you're an adult and
• 22:23
  Speaker 2: you're having trouble with it, like yeah, you just got
• 22:26
  Speaker 2: you gotta practice it is the biggest thing because you're
• 22:28
  Speaker 2: gonna get told now.
• 22:31
  Speaker 1: So all right. Time for never too personal. This is
• 22:36
  Speaker 1: a great one.
• 22:37
  Speaker 2: If you want me be part of the show or
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  Speaker 2: if you want me to be your findom, I'm too
• 22:41
  Speaker 2: personal podcasts at gmail dot com. What's one hill you'll
• 22:45
  Speaker 2: die on no matter what. This is really tough because
• 22:49
  Speaker 2: I die on so many hills. Like this whole podcast
• 22:52
  Speaker 2: is me dying on hills.
• 22:56
  Speaker 1: I okay, hot dogs are meat poop.
• 23:01
  Speaker 4: One more time.
• 23:02
  Speaker 1: Hot dogs are meat poop.
• 23:05
  Speaker 2: And I don't want to be pitched on beef hot
• 23:06
  Speaker 2: dogs or kosher hot dogs or turkey hot dogs.
• 23:10
  Speaker 1: They're all discussed. No, sausage is different.
• 23:14
  Speaker 2: Sausage is a curated, artisanal meat side. Okay, hot dogs
• 23:25
  Speaker 2: are meat shit. They are the shit of meat. They
• 23:27
  Speaker 2: are the poop log.
• 23:29
  Speaker 1: It's just a blog of meat poop.
• 23:33
  Speaker 2: It's the worst ingredients smushed up into a little bloney
• 23:37
  Speaker 2: slice that is smaller.
• 23:39
  Speaker 1: It's horrible.
• 23:41
  Speaker 3: No Costco dog for you to No Costco.
• 23:43
  Speaker 2: Dog, no Dodger dog. I haven't had a hot dog.
• 23:46
  Speaker 2: We did not have one of those homes where you
• 23:47
  Speaker 2: get to choose your meals. That's a new, new fangled thing.
• 23:51
  Speaker 2: Whatever my mom cooked, we ate, and it wasn't up
• 23:53
  Speaker 2: for discussion. I threw like I stood so steadfast on
• 23:58
  Speaker 2: my hatred of hot dogs that when we had hot dogs,
• 24:02
  Speaker 2: my mother finally bent on, you don't have to eat
• 24:05
  Speaker 2: the hot dog, but you have to. You are making
• 24:07
  Speaker 2: your own food, which is how I got so good
• 24:09
  Speaker 2: at making sandwiches.
• 24:10
  Speaker 3: Oh, I love a good sandwich.
• 24:12
  Speaker 1: I love a sandwich.
• 24:14
  Speaker 3: You don't even like bread like that, but you do
• 24:16
  Speaker 3: like a thing.
• 24:16
  Speaker 2: I love a sandwich, And it is a struggle because
• 24:19
  Speaker 2: bread is very difficult for me. It just fills me
• 24:22
  Speaker 2: up and then I can't eat anything else. But so
• 24:26
  Speaker 2: I love a wrap. But just like a good good sandwich,
• 24:30
  Speaker 2: and I take my time with it. It's gotta toasted.
• 24:32
  Speaker 2: The proper amount of shmeer, really, salt and pepper. Salt
• 24:36
  Speaker 2: and pepper is.
• 24:36
  Speaker 1: The key to a good sandwich.
• 24:38
  Speaker 2: Just a little crack, you know, you gotta have the
• 24:41
  Speaker 2: warm stuff warm the cold.
• 24:43
  Speaker 1: Anyway.
• 24:43
  Speaker 2: The point is I don't fuck with hot dogs at all.
• 24:46
  Speaker 2: They're the fucking worst. Now a more personal hills I
• 24:50
  Speaker 2: won't die on.
• 24:53
  Speaker 1: I don't know.
• 24:53
  Speaker 2: I just have so many it would be really tough
• 24:56
  Speaker 2: to decide.
• 24:58
  Speaker 1: I think therapy. I think therapy as a hill i'll
• 25:01
  Speaker 1: die on.
• 25:02
  Speaker 2: I don't think that therapy the traditional sit down, talk
• 25:05
  Speaker 2: to so one person therapy is perfect for everyone, but
• 25:10
  Speaker 2: I think some version of therapy is important for everyone
• 25:14
  Speaker 2: at some point in your life, even if you're not
• 25:15
  Speaker 2: a continual therapy person like me. I think the idea
• 25:20
  Speaker 2: of therapy really scares a lot of people and it
• 25:23
  Speaker 2: feels unnecessary. But I like in therapy to going to
• 25:27
  Speaker 2: the dentists or going to rehab if you've like hurt
• 25:31
  Speaker 2: your knee, or any other kind of medical maintenance that
• 25:39
  Speaker 2: you have, because unlike all the most of those things,
• 25:44
  Speaker 2: if you don't go to therapy, you can harm other people,
• 25:47
  Speaker 2: and most often do. And I think that people go
• 25:50
  Speaker 2: through really dramatic things in their lives and they think
• 25:53
  Speaker 2: that they got it on their own, or they think
• 25:55
  Speaker 2: they can talk to like their church deacon or their
• 25:59
  Speaker 2: pastor or the Internet and that they'll be or their
• 26:03
  Speaker 2: friends and they'll be fine, and that's that's just not
• 26:05
  Speaker 2: the case.
• 26:06
  Speaker 1: We are really complicated creatures.
• 26:08
  Speaker 2: Who are a culmination of all of our experiences, of
• 26:12
  Speaker 2: our ancestors, experiences of our DNA, and that requires the
• 26:18
  Speaker 2: right professional to help you sort through that. And I
• 26:22
  Speaker 2: think the stigma of therapy, the idea that no one,
• 26:25
  Speaker 2: not everyone needs it, is what keeps people from healing themselves.
• 26:29
  Speaker 2: And I don't think you need to go therapy for
• 26:31
  Speaker 2: your whole life if that's not what you feel comfortable with.
• 26:34
  Speaker 1: I don't think it's something that you have to maintain,
• 26:37
  Speaker 1: you know, for years and years and years.
• 26:38
  Speaker 2: But I do think if you go through something, a
• 26:40
  Speaker 2: good solid therapy sessions, UH like collective group of therapy moments,
• 26:46
  Speaker 2: whether it's a year or six months, whatever, will really
• 26:49
  Speaker 2: help you process things and put things in the right
• 26:51
  Speaker 2: place and legitally. If you don't take care of yourself,
• 26:54
  Speaker 2: you can make yourself sick, physically sick. We know that
• 26:56
  Speaker 2: stress does that, so that is a hill I will
• 26:59
  Speaker 2: die on. I think that finding the right therapists. I
• 27:02
  Speaker 2: think if you have to get on medication, get on
• 27:05
  Speaker 2: it and sort through your shit so that you don't
• 27:09
  Speaker 2: spew all of your chaos onto other people. As an adult,
• 27:13
  Speaker 2: you are responsible for your emotions. You are responsible for
• 27:16
  Speaker 2: your trauma. Other people are not responsible for your trauma
• 27:18
  Speaker 2: as an adult. As a child is completely different. So
• 27:21
  Speaker 2: that's a hill I will die on for sure. I've
• 27:23
  Speaker 2: listened to a lot of people come up with a
• 27:25
  Speaker 2: lot of different excuses for why they don't need therapy.
• 27:27
  Speaker 1: They're usually the people that need therapy the most.
• 27:30
  Speaker 2: And I know that I would not be here without therapy,
• 27:34
  Speaker 2: so that that is a hill I will die on
• 27:37
  Speaker 2: for sure. Hot Dogs are meat poop and everyone needs
• 27:40
  Speaker 2: some sort of form of therapy.
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