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JFK Assassination - Ep. 290 - Chills, Shills, & G. Wray Gills · The Lone Gunman Podcast : JFK Assassination

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  Here's Joe B and the Triple B, Hey and you Deane house things
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  in Texas. Everything is going to hail down here at Dusty, jan Joy
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  and Joey Joey and then you May Yummy and Joey Rock, John Gay Job
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  and Joey Joey and your Joby and Joey Rock, Joggy Yoo Shy, how
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  it is j J and you Wee Goo and here we go. What's up?
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  Everybody? Welcome to the show. This is your boy, the Triple
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  B, Big Bad Bob alongside me wearing his ugly Rangers T shirt. Handsome
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  Joe Brelli, what's up, Joe Hey, Good evening, Rob, and
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  good evening everyone in the chat. I hope you had a good week.
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  We are happy to be here. And Rob, I'm kind of wondering is
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  your math off? Did you skip a number on the episodes? Because our
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  last live was two eighty eight and now it's two ninety yeah, imagine that.
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  Well, if you're not following us on Twitter, you may have missed
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  uh, actually, if you're not following us on Locals as well, you
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  may have missed a special Locals only episode, episode number two eighty nine,
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  which I can't remember the name of right now, but or even what I
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  talked about, because you know, it's like that sometimes it'd be like that
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  sometimes, but it was good. A breakthrough, yes, don't call it
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  a breakthrough. Yes, So if you want to check that out, head
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  We did. I did a reminiscing, if you will, or a
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  wax poetic about the passing of doctor Cyril Weckt and my interaction with him over
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  the years and meeting him and all that jazz and gave him his proper respect,
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  and I believe went over and did an analysis of the newest John Hanky
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  film called Breakthrough the jfk Assassination Solved and ripped it apart for the piece of
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  crap that it is. So it's very entertaining show. I had to do
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  it by myself. Joe was in a Ranger's playoffs game and but you know,
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  it's all good. Joe's back and you put that Stanley cup down.
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  Man, I need an ashtray over here, Joe, or some patoon if
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  you will. Well, you did talk a little crap because you said the
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  Rangers weren't going to you said play another playoff game, but they actually just
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  advanced to the Eastern Conference finals last night and big deal. Well what happened
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  on the night you went to see him? Joe? I lost? They
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  lost four to one. Yes, that's because you went to the game.
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  You know what. I was five and zero including game one a win,
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  and that was my first loss. It was pretty bad, but it's hard
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  to win every game in playoff hockey. It's kind of a crup shoot.
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  So yeah, I know, I know. Well, let's say hello to
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  our our lovely friends out there and comment land, because I know a lot
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  of these folks have been hanging out for a while just with seething with anticipation
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  for tonight's show, as have I been. So what's up Trey and Uncle
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  Dave Moose heaven John coming through with the super chat? Thank you, John,
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  Thank you much appreciated gardening guns. Uh definitely here early sitting staring at
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  a a blank screen for half an hour. We appreciate it. Tiny Dancer
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  in the House, Jack, I saw Claude sipping on his lone Stars with
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  Atony Dene. She's read, She's got her ankle link, skirt hiked up
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  to her knees. She is ready. What's up? Scott Bubbles in the
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  house? Sale from across the Pond De La sala Hey evening. So and
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  I think that's about it. Old slacker just came in, Deco Sabird.
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  We got some new We got some new news in here. Welcome to all
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  the new folks. You know you got some catching up to do. We're
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  on episode two hundred and ninety, so, uh, feel free to try
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  to catch up sometime. Yeah. Do you want know something funny? Rob,
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  I wouldn't guess what episode I was listening to yours today, And because
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  it was somewhat I thought it was going to be related to what I was
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  going to talk about, it ended up not being relevant. But uh,
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  it was sometimes to be misleading. It was number one thirty four, and
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  it was a very special guest who, at least at the time, was
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  the co runner of Lancer, mister Stu Wexler. The Library Card episode.
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  Oh yes, oh, buddy, Stu, that was a horrible audio show.
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  So don't go listen to that one. Folks, just know that the
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  audio sucked ass for some reason. And I can't remember why, but I
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  just remember that it really really sucked. Yeah, but it was it was
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  interesting, and we'll get into some of why I was looking at the Library
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  card episode later. But yes, yes, yes, yes, but yeah,
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  thank you to everyone that's joined us, even the new people we love
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  of you know, we we have over five hundred new subscribers just this year,
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  Rob and a lot of them might not almost six hundred. A lot
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  of them might not be familiar so to some of the older homies. If
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  we explain some basic things at some points. Yeah, you know, some
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  of these JFK podcasts out there, who you know, try their hardest to
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  be as entertaining as we are, but aren't you know, they might try
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  to do things in like a some kind of a chronological order or something.
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  I'm gonna tell you right now, The Longoming podcast is all over the place.
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  There is no order whatsoever. There's no rhyme or reason for who what,
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  why, when where these episodes come out, what they're you know,
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  it's just very much stream of consciousness. It's like an investigation in real life
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  inside my brain to download. Yeah, this show is as much of a
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  mess as what it is inside this nogging mine too. But we're all over
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  the place. We do. We do a great job. But I wanted
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  to what are you eating one over there? Dude? So I haven't smell
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  delicious? I haven't eaten, thank you. I haven't eaten yet today,
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  and I have some of my favorite Milk City shout out, honey, happened
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  arrow? Oh? I love it? And on a little bit of some
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  frozen pizza. I put a lot on in addition to crush red pepper because
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  I'm Italian and I already put crushed pepper in before it made it. Good
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  ship. You know, we work pretty hard and sometimes we got to eat
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  on the job. That's what she said. But we encourage all of you
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  to please down in the description there's a link where you too. You can
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  go cap yourself some Silk City hot sauce. Honey, have an arrow,
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  Joe's favorite. I might have a new favorite, Joe, what is it?
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  Because psychic Bigfoot? I was gonna say, I haven't tried that yet,
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  and whoa, whoa, I did not even notice that. Yes that
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  is back there, chilling in front of my license plate. Yes, yes,
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  I can decall I can eat this much. I mean it's some hot
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  sauce and some crushed ried but I have a very high tolerance. I grow
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  my own hot peppers that I smuggle back from Italy. So yes, we
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  like it hot here, Bud, Yes, spicy and wow, let's give
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  Hotter than Silk City. Thank you so much, Mark, Yes, much
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  appreciated. Wow. Hell to the year. All right, Joe, So
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  without further ado, let's jump right into it. Let's do it. So.
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  You know, there's some pretty famous parking structures in New Orleans and Dallas.
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  I'm mostly familiar with the Crescent City Garage where Adrian Album worked, where
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  Lee Harvey Oswald would come over on his breaks and hang out and read gun
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  magazines with Adrian Album at the Crescent City Garage, shoot the shit a little
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  bit with him. And you know, I did a show not too long
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  ago called The Crescent City Conundrum about Adrian Album and what he saw going on
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  there with uh, you know, Lee Harvey Oswald supposedly meeting up with some
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  folks in the FBI cars because the government parked the cars in the Creston City
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  Garage, and he knew it was definitely an FBI car, and he saw
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  Oswald get pasted an envelope, you know, possibly a informant payment, if
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  you will, more than likely. But I came across, I did.
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  I was doing some extremely incredible witness Yes, extremely credible. I'm sorry,
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  yes, So I was doing a little digging, and I came across some
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  references to all right, now they all right, they all right garage,
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  the all right parking garage. Now, so I decided to do a little
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  digging. But I came across this document as dated January twenty third, nineteen
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  and sixty four, and it is addressed to Captain Ganaway of the Special Services
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  Bureau at the DPD, and it's from Jack Revel, Lieutenant Jack Revel of
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  the Criminal Intelligence Division, and it says subject Lee Harvey Oswald, Sir,
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  The following report is submitted for your information. Memorandum to Captain Ganaway, dated
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  December two, nineteen sixty three, pertending to Lee Harvey Oswald, quote the
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  undersign received information from a confidential source that approximately two weeks prior to the assassination,
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  a subject made application for employment at the all Right, all Right Now
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  Parking System one two zero eight Commerce Street, signed Bob Carroll, Detective of
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  the Administrative Section. SO one January twenty third, nineteen sixty four, the
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  undersigned officer interviewed mister Hubert Morrow, a white male who was one of the
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  managers at the Alright Parking System twelve o E. Commerce Street, Mister Morris's
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  residence blah blah blah. He stated that approximately six or seven days prior to
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  the assassination, subject came to the parking lot asking for a job. Mister
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  Morrows stated that while talking to him about the job, subject asked him how
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  high the parking lot building was and if it afforded a good view of Dallas.
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  Mister Morrows stated that at the time subject was applying for employment, he
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  was dressed in a dirty white T shirt and blue jeans and was carrying a
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  newspaper. And then it was during the early morning hours. Mister Morris stated
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  that that was the last time he saw the subject. He was waiting to
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  talk with mister Claude Hallmark, another one of the managers. Mister Morrows,
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  states that the reason he remembers the subject so well is that he wrote his
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  name down and that he thought the name was Osbourne, but that when he
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  called the subject mister Osborne, subject corrected him and said that his name was
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  Oswald, not Osborne. Mister Morrow related to that two of the employees also
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  observed the subject while he was at the parking lot. Those employees are Wyatt
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  Montgomery, a colored mail and Charlie Dibbs, a colored male or Chinese whatever
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  sea means. Uh. Yeah, Montgomery is still employed at the parking lot,
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  but Charlie Dibbs is no longer there. Mister Morrow did not know the
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  residents addresses of these employees, and the personnel files were not available at this
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  time of the interview. Now that got me thinking, all right, this
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  is so Commerce Street wasn't a motor it wasn't along the motorcade route, but
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  it was actually one street over. Okay, there's one street over from what
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  street? The main street that they were coming down because the Commerce dumped into
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  Daily Plaza. Main Street dumped into Daley Plaza, and Elm Street dumped into
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  Daily Plaza. Okay, and then you have the three you know, funneling
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  down going through the Triple Underpass. But it was one street over, one
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  block over, if you will. So if this structure was high enough,
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  he could possibly have been afforded a view, maybe a very brief view of
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  the motorcade as it went through Dallas. Possibly so from the parking garage.
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  Yes so. But thinking that made me think, all right, well,
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  what the hell else was on Commerce Street? Wasn't the Carousel Club on Commerce
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  Street? So I go back and look, and the address is twelve o
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  eight Commerce Street. The Carousel Club is thirteen twelve. That's less than a
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  block. That's pretty goddamn close, right, that's really close. I uh
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  so, this is what the al right, parking garage looked like in the
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  early sixties. All right, we're looking down the street. There's a there's
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  a bar on a corner, and then the parking garage is after that,
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  and then there's another cross street, and then right after the cross street,
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  about a half a block up would have been the Carousel Club on the right,
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  and the Adolphus is right across from the Carousel Club on the left.
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  Okay, now this is what it looks like now, so things have changed
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  a little bit. It's still a parking garage though, which is pretty cool.
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  And there's I believe there's a big apartment complex on the structure where it's
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  attached to in the front. And then like I said, further on down
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  the street across that cross street there on the right would have been the Carousel
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  Club. And this is what the Carousel Club looks like now. So we're
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  standing there, we're facing the same where the Carousel Club would have been.
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  Right there all the way to the stream right of the photo is the same
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  building we were looking at from the other angle with the orange accents that is
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  used to be the all right parking garage, So the Carousel Club would have
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  been here. The Adolphice is right behind us. Okay, so is the
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  orange accent still a parking garage or is it behind that? And the is
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  it residential? What seems to be all kind It seems to be like all
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  part of one building because the structure in the front that's right on the street
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  goes like, you know, thirty stories straight up. But the parking garage
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  structure is not that high. It's maybe only four levels high or so five
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  levels high or something. But this is it again from the backside. You
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  see the top of the parking structure right there, and then you can see
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  the balconies of the apartment building up near the top of the middle of the
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  photograph. And of course this is what the carousel used to look like in
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  nineteen sixty three. The entrance Wow, smaller than I remembered. Yeah,
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  well, I believe I want to say that the barbecue place is on the
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  bottom right, and then that door to the left would have been where you
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  walk up the stairs to get to the Carousel Club. Tammy, True,
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  that's the door. So if you can see the reason I'm showing you these,
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  Joe, is so you can see that there is another parking garage on
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  the other side of the Carousel Club. Okay, at least back then there
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  was you see it right there, I do, which is entrance. Yeah,
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  so there was a parking garage right next to the carousel. Okay,
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  So just keep that in mind when we go into this next part here.
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  Okay, So now I have another document dated January thirty first, nineteen sixty
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  four, pursuing to the instructions of Captain Ganaway, the undersigned officers educated or
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  conducted an investigation at the Alright Parking System twelve o eight commerce with the following
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  results. Mister Hallmark, general manager of the company, did not recall interviewing
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  Lee Harvey Oswald as an employee applicant. Mister Hallmark allowed the undersigned officers to
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  look through hit the applications for the month of November sixty three and no application
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  was found in regards to Oswald. Mister Hallmark did have one employment application which
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  was filled out between the first and fifteenth of December nineteen sixty three, and
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  this application was for one Fred Kaiser Junior, who listed his last of employment
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  as the Texas school Book Depository. And I believe Joe if I'm remembering correctly,
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  and folks please correct me if I'm wrong, that this cat, this
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  Kaiser guy, is the one that found Oswald's clipboard on the sixth floor,
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  like a couple weeks after the assassination. I think, I think you might
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  be right. But yeah, that's fascinating because he doesn't ring a bell when
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  you think like TSPD employees, right, you think, yeah, well he
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  wasn't he wasn't there that day. Oh yeah, right, he wasn't there
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  on the twenty second vacation before and after, right, Yeah, and that's
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  and that's kind of interesting because it's almost like he avoids scrutiny by not being
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  there that day. Which but again, this next statement contradicts what I just
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  said, as many things in the JFK case do. Mister Hallmark stated that
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  Kaiser told him he had quit that job one day previous to the assassination of
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  President Kennedy. So maybe he's not the guy that found the the clip board
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  unless he quit his job, but he gave him like a week or two.
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  Notice, who knows. I'm just probably wrong. Yeah, Well,
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  is anybody answering in the comments and anybody have this guy's name? Well,
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  Bungled, hasn't it? Excellent comment, although it's not going to give you
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  the answer. Yes, ding ding ding ding ding Comment of the night so
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  far. Good job, Bungled, always on top of it. And Rob
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  also got an from Sally. We got some pounds in the house who stand
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  up late and we appreciate that. And yeah, Silk City, I'm I'm
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  sure we can organize international shipping. We'll talk to some connects of ours and
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  you never know. That's awesome. Thank you, Sally, Yes, thank
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  you. So much sly. Yes, so Fred Kaiser was a twenty four
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  year old white kid. He put references on his application as well, and
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  one of them is the name Geneva Hind who worked at the school book depository.
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  Mister see behind. I believe she was one that gave Oswald change for
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  a dialost so we could get usouta Maybe was she wanted to get published publishing
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  ladies. No, I don't know. I don't think so, but again
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  I could be misremembering things. Who knows. And Rob, I just want
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  to dress something Apaula Jane's dress. The Adolphice is significantly upstream from Daily Plaza.
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  Same for the former location of the carousel. Not useful for triangulation,
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  and I don't think we're particularly saying that it was used for triangulation, but
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  it could have for a solo sniper. It could have been explored right like,
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  And you know, I don't Again, it could totally be a setup
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  as well. It couldn't. It probably wasn't Oswald because he was probably at
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  work between the hours of eight and nine o'clock in the morning. So whoever
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  this guy will it shows up there and tries to get a job and ask
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  these weird questions like how tall is your parking garage? Does it have a
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  good view of Dallas? You know, do you think I could shoot somebody
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  from a block away on time? You know, it's just another instance of
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  somebody dropping the Oswald name, of him making these ridiculous statements that could time
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  to the assassination after the fact. Yep, that's what it's more than likely
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  is. I'm not trying to say that this was Oswald in any shape or
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  form or fashion, and rob it would be interesting if do you know that
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  the map that Lee Harveyallswold had that was initially marked as like like maybe sniper
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  spots, but it was later identified as being spots he looked for work at
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  right, he had a map and he had all these things. I'd wonder
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  if that spot was on there. And that's just a random thought. Yeah,
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  I don't know, it'd be good to find out. Yeah, it
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  wasn't too long ago. I came across the plate a bunch of places or
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  that Oswald had applied at. But I think it was in New Orleans.
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  I don't think it was for Dallas. And then moving on to February thirteenth,
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  nineteen sixty four, Sir Captain Ganaway received information that the subject to made
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  a statement that Jack Ruby was in the all Right Parking Garage at twelve o
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  eight Commerce Street on the afternoon of November twenty third, nineteen sixty three,
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  that Jack Ruby had made a telephone call and had asked for Wes Wise at
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  the k RLD TV station. Ruby was reportedly told that Wes Wise was not
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  in and that Ruby had then talked to a person named Ken last name unknown.
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  Ruby was reported to have asked this person when Lee Harvey Oswealll was to
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  be transferred from the city jail to the County jail, and had stated to
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  this person that he wanted to be there when the transfer was made. A
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  Ken Scott, an artist at KRLD TV station, was interviewed and he stated
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  that he'd never received a telephone call from Jack Ruby and that he did not
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  talk to Jack Ruby. On November twenty third, nineteen sixty four, one
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  Ken Smart, who works the city desk at the Dallas Times Herald newsroom,
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  was interviewed and stated he had only talked to Jack Ruby one time in his
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  life that he could remember, and it wasn't On November twenty third, nineteen
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  sixty three. Mister Eddie Barker, news director of KRLD TV station, was
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  interviewed and stated that the above two persons are the only ones with the name
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  Ken that he knows that worked there, interrupting continuing, mister Claude Hallmark,
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  Ya, we met him before. The guy that did remember Lee Harvey Oswald
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  putting in an application at the all Right parking garage was interviewed and first stated
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  that he did not remember anything about the afternoon of November twenty third, nineteen
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  sixty three, except okay, accept that Jack Ruby did come into the parking
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  station and then he did use the telephone. He did remember that Jack Ruby
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  made a telephone call and thought he had asked for Wes Wise, and he
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  thought that was the name of the person Ruby talked to sounded like Ken.
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  Hallmark stated that he was not sure of just what was said. Mister Hallmark
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  was interviewed a second time by telephone, and upon direct questioning, stated that
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  he did not remember Ruby making a statement about the time of Oswald's transfer,
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  or on the point that he wanted to be present at the time of the
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  transfer. Mister Hallmark then changed this and stated that this was referring to Ruby
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  asking questions on the telephone, that as far as he could remember, Ruby
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  did not ask any questions about the Oswald case, his transfer from the city
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  jail to the county jail, or the time of the transfer. Mister Hallmark
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  stated that he remembered the events of the afternoon. Jack Ruby came into the
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  office of the parking lot and made a remark to the person's present that he
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  was going to make like a reporter. Mister Hallmark stated that during the time
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  Ruby was on the telephone, he did most of the talking and appeared to
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  be giving information to the other person the one he was calling, rather than
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  asking questions and receiving information. Hallmark stated that most of the telephone conversation did
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  appear to be dominated by the subjects of the President's assassination and Lee Harvey Oswald,
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  but that he did not remember any specific remarks or statements, nor did
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  he hear a specific question regarding Lee Harvey's transfer nor the time of the transfer.
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  Respectfully, submitted LD. Stringfellow Detective Criminal Intelligence Division Officers comments at the
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  bottom of the thing. During prior attempts at interviewing mister Hallmark, it was
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  discovered that he appeared to be a very busy person. The above conversation was
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  solicited by telephone and the interests of expediting this report because you know, Joe
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  managing a parking garage is very busy. Yeah, you don't have time to
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  read gun magazines or or bullshit with other people and adjoining businesses on their break.
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  Yes, he's very very busy. I'm a very busy manster. Please,
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  I don't have time to meet with you, but I can pencil you
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  in for five minutes telephone convo. Let's go right, what you got now
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  to bring this all to a head and wrap put all up for you folks.
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  Got one more document for you, This one dated January twenty seventh,
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  nineteen sixty four, and again it's another DPD report, subject Lee Harvey Oswald.
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  Pursuing to the instructions of Captain Ganaway, the undersigned officers conducting an investigation
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  at the all Right Now Parking System, twelve o eight Commerce Street. The
• 31:27
  following report is the results of the investigation. The undersigned interviewed mister mister Hallmark
• 31:37
  again this some bitch is He's just getting interviewed. The general manager for the
• 31:42
  Alright Parking system that God Damn DBD won't leave me alone. Very busy man.
• 31:52
  I don't know what. I don't know what they think I've seen Jesus.
• 31:59
  Mister Hamark's state that he was not present when subject reported to have applied
• 32:04
  for a job, and that no written application was made by the subject for
• 32:08
  employment. Mister Hallmark stated that he does not believe the subject was at the
• 32:15
  location. He thinks that perhaps some of his employees are mistaken. If you
• 32:22
  know what I'm saying, imagine that now the undersigned reinterviewed mister Hubert Morrow for
• 32:30
  the second time and mister Morrow's statement is still the same as it was in
• 32:37
  the report regarding subject date of January twenty third. Mister Morrow was shown five
• 32:44
  identification photographs, so he was showed like a photo lineup right, and he
• 32:51
  positively identified the subject, Lee Harvey Oswald, as being the man who made
• 32:58
  the application. The identification numbers used for this identification artist follows. So they
• 33:05
  assigned a five digit number to each person instead of a name. So one
• 33:14
  was four nine two one eight, One was five four oh one eight.
• 33:17
  That was Lee Harvey Oswall's number. There was a four nine two four to
• 33:21
  two of four nine two three one and a four nine one five two that
• 33:24
  will come into play later. What is the originating agency of those numbers wrong?
• 33:30
  Who was DPD Okay? Yeah? The Undersign interviewed Viola Sap for the
• 33:39
  second time. Her statement remains the same. Regarding subject dated January twenty fourth.
• 33:45
  Missus Sap was shown the aforementioned ID photograph. She selected the subject's photograph,
• 33:52
  but stated that she could not be positive that he was the person in
• 33:57
  question. She stated that she had been real busy and not paid much attention
• 34:00
  to him, but she did pick him out of the photo lineup. Now,
• 34:05
  this is after two months after the assassination and his lee, Harvey Oswoll's
• 34:10
  name and photograph had been plastered around the world on the news constantly, and
• 34:16
  they're in Dallas, so you know, it's huge news which brings us to
• 34:23
  this. The UNDERSIGND interviewed mister Emmett Montgomery. This was the first interview with
• 34:29
  Montgomery, as he was not present during the initial investigation. Mister Montgomery stated
• 34:34
  that he was present when the subject applied for employment, and he stated that
• 34:38
  he cannot remember how the subject was dressed. He stated that the subject was
• 34:45
  at the location from approximately eight am to nine am. He stated the subject
• 34:50
  stated the location for about thirty minutes. Mister Montgomery was showing the aforementioned identification
• 34:57
  photographs and he selected the wrong photog. He selected photograph four to two one
• 35:04
  five to two. Oh, mister Montgomery, he did not select Oswalt's.
• 35:10
  He did not select Oswald. He selected Robert Lee Moran. Whoever in the
• 35:17
  hell that is, uh, please find attached to ID photographs which we use
• 35:22
  for identification during this investigation. Sincerely, Bio Carrol Detective and ws REGI bg
• 35:30
  O Detective, Criminal Intelligence Division. So yeah, there was no bueno going
• 35:42
  on at the Alright parking garage. It just why Jack Ruby would have picked
• 35:46
  that garage. I mean, there was a garage right next to him at
• 35:50
  the Carousel Club is right down the street, so it's obviously somewhere He wanted
• 35:53
  to make this phone call from somewhere. I guess it couldn't be traced back
• 35:57
  to him, but I don't know for sure. Wesley Harvey Oswald there,
• 36:00
  I doubt it. If somebody's there from eight to nine in the morning and
• 36:05
  they stayed there for half an hour, Oswald was likely at work. I
• 36:08
  mean he didn't miss any days leading up to the assassination. So my guess
• 36:15
  it was another one of those uh somebody impostors, you know, trying to
• 36:22
  make a name on the Lee Harvey Oswald name, make them memorable before the
• 36:27
  assassination so that after the assassination they could tie all this crazy shit back to
• 36:32
  him. But that's just my opinion. That's my two cents. But yeah,
• 36:38
  so now from Dallas in New Orleans, we are flying over to Joe
• 36:45
  to talk a little bit about mister g Ray Gil I'll think of Missagassain.
• 36:53
  But before we got to New Orleans, we have to address a couple of
• 36:58
  comments about and I saw a good one I wanted to address from Sally.
• 37:04
  Uh and this is actually rob funny enough what I asked you when you said,
• 37:08
  I'm gonna be talking about a parking garage, right, Yeah, No,
• 37:14
  that's not the same one because we we we ran down the Andy Anderson
• 37:20
  rabbit hole, we remember, Yeah, that was his favorite Quick Hits episode.
• 37:30
  Yes, yeah, totally different. But there you know, like I
• 37:34
  said, there's many famous parking garages when it comes to this, uh,
• 37:38
  this whole assassination narrative, and you know this was another one that I had
• 37:43
  never heard of. So, but there were two parking garages named Adolphus or
• 37:49
  a two hotels named Adolphus, one of fort Worth and one of Dallas.
• 37:53
  No, they just had the manager has to have the same name or something.
• 38:04
  Okay. What did you mention about the Adolphus just now in Dallas on
• 38:07
  your when you were talking about a Commerce street. It was right across from
• 38:12
  the Carousel Club. Okay, that's but what I'm saying is there was one
• 38:15
  in fort Worth and one Dallas. No. No, I didn't say anything
• 38:20
  about fort Worth. No, but I'm referring to the past episode. I
• 38:23
  don't know, Joe, go back and listen to the past episode. Okay,
• 38:27
  I think it was a Dolphus and another. Okay, I could be
• 38:30
  wrong. We can go back in the record. I'm sorry. I wanted
• 38:34
  to that question. We got Trey. According to Groden, the lady hand
• 38:40
  of the change at to Oswald as the first shot was fired. Yes,
• 38:46
  Jane behind mm hm oh fun fact, Joe, mm hmm. Andy Anderson
• 38:52
  of the Adolphus Hotel had a one of these. These cards actually had a
• 39:06
  flip side and they were numbered, and if you had this card in your
• 39:13
  possession. I think you got you're guaranteed a table and two free drinks,
• 39:21
  free admission and two free drinks on Jack Ruby and Andy Anderson from the Dolphins
• 39:25
  had one. He was like number one forty seven. It was his card
• 39:31
  number number at one fourth seven. Sorry and uh let me see it one
• 39:42
  more. Uh oh yeah, sorry. Tiny answer asked me a question and
• 39:51
  my answers would be in the negative. I do not know how to play
• 39:53
  Chicky pie c capisi. You're gonna have to give more context on that.
• 40:01
  Capeche oh capeche, yes, understand it. I do not know how to
• 40:07
  play Chicky though. I'd love to learn, though, And I think that
• 40:16
  was all Campeese sucks over a cooked pasta and bland sauces. I've never been,
• 40:24
  but I might want to go if I go to Dallas and no remember
• 40:29
  so yeah, I didn't go when I was in Dallas and I wanted to.
• 40:34
  Mh. Well, it's hard because there's so many things going on at
• 40:37
  answer and you take a break for one hour. You're like, okay,
• 40:42
  I can miss this presentation and say it's like a group or something or you
• 40:45
  know, and then like the time just flies and you're like Oh my god,
• 40:50
  I missed half of the next one. There's so many other locations.
• 40:53
  It's like, you know, it's like down on your tiered list of stuff
• 40:58
  to see in Dallas, and yeah, if you're there long enough, you
• 41:00
  can get there. But or if you know, the group goes to dinner
• 41:05
  at Campezes, you know that's that's an option. But well that's a very
• 41:12
  But anyway, we're leaving Dallas. We're getting on an airplane a la John
• 41:17
  T. Martin and we're flying to New Orleans. Joe we are. Yeah,
• 41:22
  we need to find out what's going on with g Ray Gill because that
• 41:25
  dude with sus as hell very and we'll get into it a little bit.
• 41:35
  This is a photo of g Ray first named George gil Sr. He is
• 41:42
  on the right hand side. I kind of tilted the title so the person
• 41:47
  what had would be under the name. That's Carlos Marcello in the middle,
• 41:52
  and that's actually rob very interesting. That is another one of his attorneys,
• 42:01
  Michael Moron of Shreveport, Louisiana. And that's a funny thing because home of
• 42:12
  the Gay nineties, home of the other gay nineties, and obviously Marcelo Territory
• 42:17
  as well, right New Orleans to Dallas and everywhere in between, which report
• 42:24
  was, oh yeah. And of course he is most famously known for defending
• 42:32
  mafia boss Carlos Marcelo many times. And I say many, I mean six
• 42:40
  to twelve. It's hard to get a list of all the cases, but
• 42:45
  many times between nineteen fifty one and nineteen seventy two. And also represented his
• 42:52
  son Joseph Marcelo, and we'll get into that what he got into a little
• 42:58
  trouble as well. And ge Ray Gill of course came to his aid as
• 43:01
  well. And Carlos Marcello had a team of lawyers. He had, like
• 43:07
  I mentioned this guy in Shreveport, but he had a guy in d C.
• 43:10
  He had other people in New Orleans. So g Ray Gill, I
• 43:15
  feel rob had some type of specific purpose and well that was his main dude,
• 43:22
  you know what I mean. And it's interesting I saw comment earlier that
• 43:28
  said that Jim Garrison had blinders on when it comes to g Ray Gill and
• 43:34
  what he was into and what he was doing, you know, much like
• 43:38
  he had blinders on when it comes to the mafia and Carlos Marcelo in particular,
• 43:43
  and g Ray Gill. And it seems like everybody that went to the
• 43:49
  Garrison a grand jury hearing, their lawyer was g Ray Gill. You know,
• 43:57
  I don't know de facto or what the case was, but yeah,
• 44:02
  there are a few, yeah, yeah for sure, and most notably,
• 44:07
  UH we share here, of course, is mister David William Perry or Perry
• 44:19
  Ferry. I'm okay, Miss Ruth almos a guest. Then I'll see you
• 44:25
  anytime you want to. Oh and Rob, I didn't. I don't have
• 44:35
  this in my documents, but I was reading some of the Garrison files we
• 44:37
  down downloaded a couple of weeks ago, and David Ferry, according to UH
• 44:44
  I think it was Lewis Ivan and Scambria inter Scambria. Uh. Ferry in
• 44:50
  the transcript said I'd be willing to do I'd be willing to do sodium pent
• 44:57
  the thrall if you wanted to. He said, anytime you want, mister
• 45:00
  Gibson, so he was, and he wanted to take or he was willing
• 45:05
  to take a light detector test as well, and UH, thank you for
• 45:10
  that the sound effect. Oh, you're welcome anytime we mentioned the truth zerum
• 45:21
  that alert and uh of course, we'll get into some of Ruby's travels to
• 45:27
  Dallas, to Galveston and to uh there's the other one. Uh got Victo.
• 45:45
  I'll get to it in a minute. Another place. And so we
• 45:50
  went to three cities in Dallas essentially, and on his way back he was
• 45:54
  with two younger gentlemen. Uh, fairy, I have Ruby here, blah
• 46:00
  blah blah that Jack Martin had sold him out and alerted the New Orleans Parish
• 46:15
  on ferries alleged relationship with Oswalt and the Civil Air Patrol by one of our
• 46:22
  favorite people, Rob, mister Jack Martin. But this is yes, and
• 46:30
  I got a little something to supplement. Supplement this after you get done with
• 46:34
  all this, dear Joe, When you supplement Martin's it gets me like very
• 46:39
  excited. But this is a small excerpt I got from a David Ferry interview
• 46:45
  with some of the Garrison investigators, and they ask about Oswalt. No,
• 46:50
  I have no recollection. This much is of interest. A fellow by the
• 46:54
  name of Jack Martin kicks the whole thing off and gets me involved, you
• 47:00
  know, And this say is four years ish after, after nineteen sixty three.
• 47:09
  I don't mind this being the public record, Martin is a psycho path
• 47:15
  Why I love that resonse that right to the point question first, how do
• 47:22
  you explain a psychopath? Great answer by Ferry, By the way, However,
• 47:31
  however, there are specific grounds. I used to work for g Ray
• 47:35
  Gil Martin fancies himself as an investigator. He acquainted himself with me and tried
• 47:40
  to get some of Gill's work from Ferry. Of course we'll get into Ferry
• 47:46
  was working for g Ray Gill for almost two years. Gil would have not
• 47:51
  had him have him because, as Gil says, present tense. Martin plays
• 47:58
  both sides of the street, not the fence, the street, which I
• 48:02
  look at differently in terms of intelligence or not right in terms of Jack s
• 48:10
  Martin. That's how I I think it's just another turn of phrase. It
• 48:15
  could be very well. It could be one day I threw Martin out of
• 48:19
  the office. Not bodily, but I ordered him out. Remember the time
• 48:23
  of the first Marcelo case in sixty three. Gills is the New Orleans lawyer
• 48:28
  for Marcelo. Martin told Klein that I had taught Oswald how to shoot a
• 48:32
  rifle, which is interesting since I am not such a good shot. Myself
• 48:38
  in any event that year, the year the assassination. I am uncertain.
• 48:44
  He's a certain rup but my belief is that Oswalt was here in the city
• 48:49
  of New Orleans. It's a mystery wrapped inside of an enigma, inside of
• 48:55
  a riddle in center a riddle. And I know that's not the right one.
• 49:01
  Both don't kill me. It's close. And I find the part I
• 49:07
  find interesting about this is if Martin told kleinb that Oswald, that Ferry taught
• 49:15
  oswal how to shoot a rifle. That was the curriculum in the Civil Air
• 49:19
  Patrol, Right, so they shot twenty twos as they're kind of right,
• 49:23
  exactly, And it was not a false statement. It was a true statement.
• 49:29
  Yes, it might exactly. And Ferry does a lot of this because
• 49:31
  I've read pages and dozens and dozens of pages of his interviews, and he
• 49:37
  just dances around everything. Man. But sometimes he is an error because his
• 49:45
  excuse for the trip. He had two excuses for the trip to Vinton,
• 49:52
  that was it Vinton, Galveston and Houston. And one was that, of
• 49:57
  course everyone knows this, you wanted to go isokating, right, And he
• 50:04
  also gave a reason to the Garrison investigator investigators that he went there on business,
• 50:10
  but great guil and he was giving someone a document or an invoice.
• 50:16
  He couldn't remember, of course, and and he said it had been planned
• 50:22
  for a while, but just that morning he left on the night of November
• 50:28
  second. The times vary from both of his other people that accompanied him.
• 50:34
  It's like four o'clock, seven o'clock after supper, nine o'clock. Right,
• 50:37
  it's three different times from Fairy and Coffee and Bubot. We'll get into him
• 50:45
  and it's well, we'll get into how j Ray Gill I fits into all
• 50:53
  of this here, but you know, it's not consistent at all in terms
• 50:57
  of his statements and the time. And I just wanted to throw this out
• 51:01
  there because I was like looking at the gray Gill and I noticed here right
• 51:07
  GWG g Ray Gill. And you know, there's some files and this is
• 51:15
  an HSCA subject file on him, and there's some interesting things. CM is
• 51:22
  Carlos Marcelo, JSM is jack S. Martin. And if you look at
• 51:27
  some of these, the Jackus Martin doesn't have a date. The Carlos Marcelo
• 51:31
  documents don't have dates. So it's really interesting. So what I did was
• 51:36
  I searched just CW or GWG and GW GWG and that excuse my circling,
• 51:46
  but that brings up other documents that don't come up when you search g Ray
• 51:52
  Gill in quotations. Let's say I'm Mary Farrell, of course. So I
• 51:57
  was looking at some of these documents and there are three files that have nothing.
• 52:02
  They're blank. One is David Ferry of course at the bottom middle,
• 52:07
  one is Jack Martin, and one is Joseph Savello, who was a friend
• 52:14
  of Ruby, and I believe Ruby had some calls with him as well on
• 52:21
  his phone records. And you know, when I was listening to your episode
• 52:27
  that I referred to earlier, Stu Exler actually mentioned how Joseph Savello was an
• 52:34
  associate of Ruby, and that's how I kind of caught it as I was
• 52:37
  kind of looking through this, But they're all he was basically Marcello's representative in
• 52:43
  Dallas, Joseph Ello, right, But how would he be with a g
• 52:51
  ray Gill document or tagged, you know, if you'd have been tagged or
• 52:58
  tied to Marcello and some former fashion Yeah, it was just interesting because I
• 53:04
  wish these had. It was like obviously erased it' said like xxx, but
• 53:08
  hold on, I wanted to read something before, okay, So so I
• 53:21
  actually forgot to even do the intro. Attorney jee Ray Gill handled many high
• 53:25
  profile cases in New Orleans or Marcello. We got that. In December sixty
• 53:30
  one, Gil began representing former pilot David Ferry in his attempt to be reinstated
• 53:36
  with Eastern Airlines after his suspension related to Morale's charges. Gil employed Ferry as
• 53:45
  an investigator and handyman. I like that description from March sixty two to December
• 53:52
  nineteen sixty three, so that is two months, five two years. Throughout
• 53:57
  sixty three, Gil represented Ferry before the Pilot's System Board of Adjustment in Ferry's
• 54:04
  grievances against the airline. So Ferry actually countersued and got a settlement. Ferry
• 54:10
  was briefly detained in sixty three in November over charges made by Jack s Martin.
• 54:15
  We just went over that that had'l be involved with Lee Harvey Oswalt.
• 54:21
  Three years later, Ferry became the prime suspect in Jim Garrison's investigation, shortly
• 54:28
  before he was found dead in his apartment and this is from some of the
• 54:32
  well Brown chronology. Gil continued a relationship with Marcello, who testified on the
• 54:38
  lawyer's behalf. So that's Marcello testifying on behalf of g Ray Gill in March
• 54:46
  of nineteen sixty nine, and Gil represented Marcello in the case involving the illegal
• 54:52
  re entry in the US after Marcello was deported to Guatemala and surrendered him for
• 55:02
  a two year term in nineteen seventy, but getting to back to the Eastern
• 55:13
  Airlines. They terminated Ferry in late nineteen sixty one based on his two arrests
• 55:21
  in August eighth and eleventh in sixty one for sexual relationships with young boys.
• 55:29
  Ferry then did Gopher work for g Ray Gill, attorney for once supported crime
• 55:34
  figure Carlos Marcello, and Gil attempted to help Ferry regain his apployment with Eastern
• 55:38
  Airlines. A grievance hearing was held in February sixty three and Gil and Ferry
• 55:45
  faced a review board in Miami. Yeah yeah, real quick, did you
• 55:52
  come across in your in the documents where it says how much g Ray Gill
• 55:59
  paid Fairy month for your services. I came across a number of seventy thousand
• 56:06
  after the assassination, well or seven thousand, I'm sorry, seven or seventy
• 56:15
  one as also that he paid. He paid Ferry three hundred dollars a month
• 56:22
  salary as a private investigator, okay, to work, you know, starting
• 56:30
  in sixty one. And so I plugged that into the how much is it
• 56:37
  worth now? Money? So he was he was. That equals out to
• 56:44
  about now thirty four hundred dollars a month, which ain't too shabby, folks,
• 56:52
  it is not. And you have to consider, you know, I
• 56:58
  ran across a lot of documents, HCA documents, FBI documents that Ferry was
• 57:02
  actually working off his debt to g Ray Gill by working as a private investigator
• 57:12
  with his office and a law clerk right for almost two years, right or
• 57:16
  nineteen sixty one to the almost the end of nineteen sixty three. And that
• 57:21
  was I mean, David Ferry really didn't have a lot of money, right,
• 57:24
  like not enough money to be able to afford a high and lawyer like
• 57:30
  g ray Gill. Right, it's just not happening. So he he used
• 57:36
  I think his his skills to work that off and that included allegedly picking him
• 57:44
  up from when he got deported from Guatemala. And also he went back to
• 57:51
  Guatemala because he was working on the case. I don't know if Marcella was
• 57:54
  there. The documents didn't say this. He went back in September October sixty
• 58:00
  three, like the fall of sixty three, to go investigate in Guatemala,
• 58:05
  to Guatemala to help their case because that's where Marcella was dropped off. So
• 58:10
  it says he flew on this airline, But I'm like, I don't know.
• 58:14
  I think Ferry would have flown and you know he was close with with
• 58:20
  g ray Gill to the you know, Gray Gill, it's not easy going
• 58:24
  out on the limb to defend Ferry on those type of charges. Yeah,
• 58:30
  I know, you're getting into some sticky, wicked situations there. Yeah,
• 58:36
  And that brings me back to the pun intended to the first two comments we
• 58:43
  got when we uploaded this, is that g ray w was for winning because
• 58:47
  g ray Gill didn't seem to ever lose. And you know, Ferry should
• 58:52
  have been charged and been in jail for what he was accused of in regards
• 58:57
  to the Eastern Airlines situation for sure, especially in the early sixties, like
• 59:01
  without d ray Gil was African. Wait a minute, okay, yeah it
• 59:15
  is on the Oh no, I'm sorry, Marcella was freaking g ray Gill
• 59:22
  is about as white as you can get. Yeah. He went to Loyola
• 59:27
  and he was a lawyer for a long time, and you know, he
• 59:30
  was very good at what he did. Did And we'll get into a couple
• 59:36
  of things right now. That's another great picture. All right, So can
• 59:50
  you see the shrop? Did I share it? Right? Yes? Okay,
• 59:54
  so slide you've already done, the secretary. It was on the very
• 1:00:00
  first slide with the picture. Oh, was that That's what I'm seeing?
• 1:00:12
  Oh? Okay, Sorry, I think I'm sharing the motion. Mm hmm.
• 1:00:21
  So marcel or g ray Gill also had some problems of his own,
• 1:00:25
  as we'll see. Can you see this? Yes, okay. So miss
• 1:00:30
  Elise we Drose was the secondlist Alice. Let's say. Elise, secretary to
• 1:00:40
  Attorney g ray Gill, was shown a photograph of Lee Harvey Oswald, at
• 1:00:46
  which time she stated that she had no recollection of ever seeing this man in
• 1:00:51
  person, and that she was certain that Oswald had never visited David Ferry in
• 1:00:55
  her presence while Ferry was employed by g ray Gill. And the most important
• 1:01:01
  thing here, I think is the date, because you're talking five days after
• 1:01:05
  the assassination. The FBI is going to g ra Gills's office and showing his
• 1:01:10
  secretary pictures of Oswalt. Now, I do not think that Lee Harvey Oswalt
• 1:01:15
  would have ever needed to go into g ray Gills's office, right A.
• 1:01:22
  He could have never afforded him in a million years. And you know,
• 1:01:28
  you'd probably be knocked like down a notch and be afforded to like Dan Andrews
• 1:01:34
  or something like what happened to legendly. And but this is five days after
• 1:01:42
  the assassination. The FBI is going to g ra Gills's office and looking into
• 1:01:46
  things and questioning as secretaries, which which means there's there's some potential meat on
• 1:01:53
  the bone. I think. I don't think they're just going there that early
• 1:01:59
  in the investigation just for kicks. But in nineteen sixty eight, the New
• 1:02:08
  Orleans District Judge exonerated Aaron Cone of the Metropolitan Crime Division from his intimidation of
• 1:02:16
  City Councilman Eddie Sappier as charged by the New Orleans DA Office. The charges
• 1:02:23
  were leveled against Cone following his public disclosures that Spear was a close confident of
• 1:02:30
  Marcello, and g Ray Gill, attorney from Marcello, approached the Captain Fred
• 1:02:38
  Roth of Jefferson Parish Intelligence Unit and inferred he could help Roth financially if he
• 1:02:45
  could alleviate some of the heat developing out of current Jefferson Parish investigation into a
• 1:02:52
  car purchased from Leonard Cunning who was shot and killed in Kansas City on October
• 1:03:01
  first, nineteen sixty eight. When this car was purchased Marcello's son, there
• 1:03:06
  we go, it's referring to earlier Joseph c. Marcello was signed as the
• 1:03:10
  purchaser, and Marcello fears that his own son will be subjected to unfavorable publicity
• 1:03:17
  if this is taken through. So g ray Gill comes to the rescue again
• 1:03:24
  for Carlos. Carlos Marcello's son Joseph, And if there's something that indicates how
• 1:03:34
  close they were and how much they trusted each other, I think if your
• 1:03:39
  son got in trouble, you'd hire the attorney that you knew could get him
• 1:03:43
  out of it for sure, yep, especially when you had the money to
• 1:03:47
  do so. Yeah, and Marcello did. This is also another document that
• 1:03:57
  corroborates the previous document in terms of the I guess it was called the Louisiana
• 1:04:01
  Alone and Trust and Thrift scandal, but it involved his son. And also
• 1:04:10
  g ray Gill came to the rescue on that again and brought Joseph Marcello.
• 1:04:16
  So he got pissed, I guess, and left the deposition twice and had
• 1:04:20
  to be brought back into the room by g ray Gill. So trusted indeed.
• 1:04:28
  And this is something also found in the Garrison files in April sixty nine,
• 1:04:34
  and this is to James Alcock assistant DA and it has to do with
• 1:04:44
  a former client of g ray Gill who had hired her. Her name is
• 1:04:49
  Clara Flowerney Bootsy Gay. How did she get the bootsy nickname? That'd be
• 1:04:55
  interesting stories. He probably wore little booties all the time, Yeah, Claia
• 1:05:01
  Floord no a boat to Gay. Yeah, and she's probably dope, I'm
• 1:05:06
  guessing. But she made several trips to Gill's office and observed David Barry,
• 1:05:13
  who had an office at Gills's office and understood that Ferry was an investigator for
• 1:05:16
  Gil yess he was for two years. The day following the jfk assassination on
• 1:05:23
  Saturday, she missus Gay, went to Gill's office and observed that two female
• 1:05:27
  employees were cleaning out Ferry's desk. She saw a chart or a sketch,
• 1:05:32
  and what caught her eye was the fact that this chart had Elm written on
• 1:05:39
  it, as in Elm Street on what appeared to be a street. It
• 1:05:43
  also appeared to there was also a building and on the street was a square
• 1:05:47
  with the letters VIP written in the square. I don't know what that means.
• 1:05:54
  That means it's a very important place on the map, Joe, or
• 1:05:57
  a very important person. True. Now, when Joe told me about this
• 1:06:02
  beforehand, immediately came to my mind was the whole Beckham thing, right,
• 1:06:12
  and what he alleged took place in the presence of g Ray Gill and David
• 1:06:17
  Ferry. So let me bring this up real quick like, see if this
• 1:06:25
  works. Can you see that, Joe? I can? It is a
• 1:06:34
  document from the HSCA about halfway down there where Thomas Beckham is being interviewed by
• 1:06:45
  the HSCA, and he says they discussed at the time the Kennedy his situation
• 1:06:55
  in the assassination. I don't know exactly how long it lasted. It's been
• 1:06:58
  a number of years. We also had a meeting and a place called the
• 1:07:01
  Town and Country. That's a motel, now, Joe, who owned the
• 1:07:05
  Town and Country motel? Mister Carlos Marcelo, thank you. That's a motel.
• 1:07:12
  Vaguely as I can remember, on the right hand side of a highway
• 1:07:14
  going out towards the airport. This meeting was attended by Marcello. There was
• 1:07:19
  a Gray Gill and us there at the time. And at that particular meeting,
• 1:07:25
  the human issue was discussed, the President, his involvement, and how
• 1:07:30
  different things, how the President refused to give air support, things like this
• 1:07:33
  were discussed. Also. I delivered a package approximately i'd say, two weeks
• 1:07:39
  to Dallas prior to the assassination of the President, to a mister Howard,
• 1:07:44
  that would be Lawrence Howard. Joe and he says, I went into mister
• 1:07:49
  g Ray Gill's office. I was told to go there by mister Ferry,
• 1:07:56
  which I know real well, and in his office they suffled up some documents
• 1:08:01
  which were drawings that of a map or plots and stuff. There were some
• 1:08:10
  pictures pictures of buildings and cars, and was regular pictures, but they wasn't
• 1:08:15
  glassy. They were put inside of an envelope, at which time g Ray
• 1:08:20
  Gill handed me it was either one hundred or two hundred dollars and told me
• 1:08:26
  that I was to be I was going to be taken to the airport.
• 1:08:30
  I was to deliver this package to a mister Howard at the Executive Inn in
• 1:08:34
  Dallas. At that meeting was Roswell which is a Roswell Thompson, Jack Martin,
• 1:08:42
  David Ferry, and a bunch off serg R. Kasha. Also at
• 1:08:46
  that meeting was your mister Marcelo was at that meeting setting it and they were
• 1:08:50
  sitting on a couch. I remember the couch. Let's see now I delivered
• 1:08:56
  the package. Oh, they told me. One thing was made. Remark
• 1:09:00
  was I went to wear no jewelry whatsoever, and not to talk to any
• 1:09:06
  of the airlines stewardesses all create huh hard thing to not do? Yes uh
• 1:09:15
  or create any you know, draw anything to me, don't make don't make
• 1:09:19
  attention to yourself. Son, don't wear no flashy jewelry. Don't be flirting
• 1:09:24
  with the stewardesses. Don't just don't. My good friend Clay Shaw was also
• 1:09:29
  there, and the envelope was put in a magazine, and they brought me
• 1:09:33
  a magazine stuck it inside there, and I took a cab from the airport
• 1:09:36
  to a place called the Executive n that is in Dallas, where I met
• 1:09:41
  mister Howard. And mister Howard was upset because when I got out of the
• 1:09:45
  cab and was heading there, he tootored for me on his horn. The
• 1:09:48
  car was kind of a raggety ass looking car. I got in, handed
• 1:09:54
  in the package and he leaned against the door as if to face me,
• 1:09:59
  but the the package was away from me, and I handed it to him,
• 1:10:01
  just like it was in the magazine. He opened it up and he
• 1:10:06
  looked at me a couple times, and I faced I looked off in the
• 1:10:12
  other direction, and he got real mad and said, is this this can't
• 1:10:16
  be all? This can't be all it is? I don't know the exact
• 1:10:21
  words. I said, yes it is. He said, like hell or
• 1:10:26
  something like that to that effect. It is. And I said, look,
• 1:10:30
  you can go call him, meaning to go call g Ray Gill,
• 1:10:33
  I said, because that's all he gave me. So we drove from there
• 1:10:39
  about I guess about three blocks, and he pulled over again and he reviewed
• 1:10:44
  the stuff that was in the envelope or the package. Now, I didn't
• 1:10:46
  take nothing out of the package, I didn't swear, except for seeing it
• 1:10:50
  on mister Gill's desk, then shuffling it up putting it inside the thing I
• 1:10:56
  didn't. All I knew was photographs of buildings and cars and neatly drawn maps,
• 1:11:06
  not like a regular city map, but it was diagrams and stuff drawn
• 1:11:11
  on paper. And at that time to this day, I don't know.
• 1:11:14
  Again, I think I took a cam back to the airport. Anyway,
• 1:11:16
  I had a round trip. I went back and discussed the fact that Holp
• 1:11:20
  set mister Howard was. I discussed it with Roswell, which is a Roswell
• 1:11:26
  Thompson, and also mister Gil, and they went on from there. So
• 1:11:32
  well, there you go about Thomas Beckham and his Gray Gill allegations, which
• 1:11:43
  led in some credence to your secretary who saw them cleaning out diagrams and drawings
• 1:11:55
  from David Ferry's desk that was located in g ray Guill's office, which is
• 1:12:00
  interesting, very interesting indeed, and uh you know, it's it's it's just
• 1:12:06
  very smart for for people to do these type of handoffs with lawyers, right,
• 1:12:12
  these type of transactions because it's attorney client privilege. I'm not saying Beckham
• 1:12:16
  was a client of g ray Gill, but it seems that g ray Gill
• 1:12:23
  always skirted any you know, no no phone call. I mean there's a
• 1:12:30
  record of of course a Ruby calling ge ray Gill on his way back to
• 1:12:34
  Dallas, but there's not a huge list of his call logs. And I'm
• 1:12:42
  yes, and and there's a reason for that, and getting your old white
• 1:12:45
  guy is confused, I know, and har and I'll just finish this last
• 1:12:53
  document, this last paragraph for two here. So when she went back into
• 1:12:58
  uh Jay ray Gills, I was gonna do that once office, she remarked
• 1:13:06
  to the receptionist as she saw them cleaning out the desk, that this I
• 1:13:12
  think she's referring to the map could be turned over John D. D Ange,
• 1:13:20
  that this should be turned over to the FBI. The receptionist then picked
• 1:13:27
  it off the desk and threw it in the trash stating it was nothing.
• 1:13:30
  Missus Gay stated that she then took the document from the trash can, stating
• 1:13:35
  that she would give it to the FBI anyway. The receptionist then grabbed the
• 1:13:40
  document back or from missus Gay's hand and again threw it in the trash for
• 1:13:45
  the second time, and he said, oh, bitch, no, you
• 1:13:47
  didn't, and then slapped her across her face, grabbed her by her hair,
• 1:13:53
  and threw her out the third story window. And then she went back
• 1:13:57
  to the trash can, pulled that shit back out and said, I'm taking
• 1:14:00
  it to the FBI. That's pretty close to how it went, Bootsy,
• 1:14:04
  don't play. And I thought it was a pretty interesting until this last sentence,
• 1:14:10
  and I would kind of like my antennas went up. Missus Gay seemed
• 1:14:13
  to be about sixty years old, sixty years reasonably intelligent, okay, I'm
• 1:14:18
  not sure what that means. It slightly and very cooperative. She appears to
• 1:14:26
  be the type of individual that likes to see justice prevail, okay, Bootsy,
• 1:14:34
  Yeah, Bootsy, I had never heard of this lady in this Bootsy,
• 1:14:38
  Bootsy, and it's it's a very interesting thing. And I just want
• 1:14:45
  to read one more thing. So when he Erry was being asked by Garrison
• 1:14:50
  investigators December fifteenth, sixty six, He's asked a question if he took any
• 1:14:59
  trips with Morerris Brownlee, and he goes, yes, I think so,
• 1:15:03
  but I'm not sure about this. I told you he talks in like double
• 1:15:06
  speak a whole time. I would have to ask Gill. So I have
• 1:15:10
  to ask my lawyer somewhere back in fifty one and fifty two. I'm sorry
• 1:15:15
  Ferry didn't talk about I had to go to Mississippi for Gil on an oil
• 1:15:18
  bill, and I think that means collecting some type of bill, but I
• 1:15:24
  don't know. I believe I took Browne with me because at that time he
• 1:15:29
  was doing a little work for Gil too. I believe that on my that
• 1:15:31
  on one of the many trips we took down at Vinton, Texas. That's
• 1:15:35
  one of the stops he made on his Texas Assassination weekend trip. Because we
• 1:15:42
  were back and forth quite a number of times. I believe he was on
• 1:15:46
  one of those trips. Morris went along or went along with Alice Goudreau,
• 1:15:53
  which he's it's like says question mark spelling, and that is the secretary that
• 1:15:58
  was rated five days for the assassination Alice rob Goodreuz got it right that time.
• 1:16:05
  So at last, there, at last, Alice, See you're messing
• 1:16:11
  me out here. But I think the point to take away here is that
• 1:16:14
  when g Ray gild defended you, when when it came from David Ferry,
• 1:16:19
  which were pretty damning allegations to Carlos Marcelo, who spent a lot less time
• 1:16:26
  maybe with the exception of Santra Draffconte in jail than other mafia bosses or met
• 1:16:32
  you know, didn't get stuffed in tin it killed or stuff in an oil
• 1:16:38
  drum or something like that. Uh. Everyone, And and Layton Martin's had
• 1:16:44
  some connections with him as well. He was alleged to have helped him out
• 1:16:48
  in his his Layton Martin's and one of the guys, however you say it,
• 1:16:58
  yeah, he was. When Ferry came back to New Orleans from his
• 1:17:03
  Dallas trip assassination weekend, he dropped Bob off Off and him and Martin's late
• 1:17:13
  Martin's got arrested on the twenty fourth, the night the Sunday night, and
• 1:17:18
  uh, Ferry had to go in the next day after fleeing on the on
• 1:17:24
  the recommendation of Gray Gill and it's get out of town boy as fans as
• 1:17:30
  you can guess, and sniffing around here for you. Yeah, and Jack
• 1:17:35
  Martin. Martin was behind it all, as they usually are. Bastards,
• 1:17:42
  bastards, I tell you. Of course he wasn't a real Martin Suggs.
• 1:17:45
  But all right, so we're gonna want to get back on the airplane.
• 1:17:56
  What do you want to address a comment or two? Because I haven't looked
• 1:17:59
  at them in a minute, surely we can. Has any one considered that
• 1:18:10
  Ruby might have been a h or that there may have been a Ruby double
• 1:18:13
  bit off topic? It's actually not that off topic because Rob showed a very
• 1:18:17
  interesting picture on the solo podcast he did did where you showed a picture of
• 1:18:28
  someone in front of the Texas school Book Depository with some of the publishing ladies
• 1:18:33
  to the left of him if you're looking at the TSBD, and it looked
• 1:18:38
  like Ruby a lot, but it was without his hat. Marcella's birth name
• 1:18:46
  was Colojuro. Yeah, I saw that minicorde. And that's funny because Colojuro
• 1:18:50
  was the first name of the kid in The Bronx Tale, which is a
• 1:18:54
  great movie. But uh yeah, that's that was his h real Italian Sicilian
• 1:19:02
  name, although it was a French territory. They lived on a plantation shack
• 1:19:10
  in Metteari Jefferson Parish. Literally a French connection translated thank you, tiny dancer.
• 1:19:18
  Mister Dave Sparks, Dean Andrews and their burg Glass brothers were in that
• 1:19:23
  same Nola attorney mix and and a berg Glass mm hmm. And I actually
• 1:19:30
  came across a couple of things that said Dean Andrews also did some work for
• 1:19:33
  g Ray Gill as well, so I think he was in that attorney mix
• 1:19:41
  and sorry and delivered the package to Lawrence Howard. Yep, we got that
• 1:19:45
  professoronal cons and that's a very interesting story. I don't know. I want
• 1:19:49
  to say this. They said a Marcello was there. Is that what it
• 1:19:55
  said? He said, I I didn't think Carlos Marcello would be at that
• 1:20:01
  type of thing. No, he named him later, Victor Marcello got it.
• 1:20:08
  I don't know if that's another kid or if it's a brother. I'm
• 1:20:13
  not sure. I don't know either. Maybe Howard was upset by the proximity
• 1:20:19
  he'd have to be in who knows. Yeah, I mean, who knows.
• 1:20:26
  It's I was thinking it was about the money, but that type of
• 1:20:30
  money is not even close to even it. I mean maybe expenses, right,
• 1:20:35
  two hundred dollars to a little That wasn't payment for Howard. Okay,
• 1:20:41
  there was no payment. So he was upset about the directions and or and
• 1:20:45
  the maps and maybe the life. He said something was missing. Yeah,
• 1:20:49
  okay, I wasn't sure if that's something was was money. But you know,
• 1:20:54
  I think other people delivered that, and they might not trusted Tom spec
• 1:20:58
  Ham at that point to deliver that. That was John Martine's job. Uh,
• 1:21:05
  And I think that is it. Uh. Rip Robertson being a daily
• 1:21:11
  Plaza. That picture does look a lot like him. Was Howard to Phillip
• 1:21:15
  Alias, I do not know. No, we're talking about Lawrence Howard.
• 1:21:20
  Yeah, mercenary anti Castro Cuban freedom fighter. Yeah, of course, famous
• 1:21:30
  cowboy. Yeah. I was in California with that thirty odd six Lauren Hall's
• 1:21:35
  buddy. Yes, yes, so I wanted to just dress some comments,
• 1:21:41
  but continue Rob, I know you have some interesting things. Yes, we're
• 1:21:44
  gonna get back on the airplane. We're flying back to Dallas. Joe to
• 1:21:46
  check in sound bite. True, you got to learn how to do that,
• 1:21:55
  Okay, I know, because I think you can control it too.
• 1:22:05
  All Right, back to Dallas, and we're gonna be talking about this dude
• 1:22:15
  for a second. This snazzy fellow right here, his name is Pierce Almond.
• 1:22:23
  And any of you folks who have ever taken a tour at the sixth
• 1:22:27
  Floor Museum in Dallas, at the School of Depository, you will have heard
• 1:22:34
  Pierce Almond's voice. He's the one that guides you through the tour. Now,
• 1:22:44
  he passed away back in twenty twenty two. And what the website will
• 1:22:49
  tell you, and what he's been staying for years, is this that he
• 1:22:59
  stood on the corner owner of Houston and Elm Street and Dealey Plaza and witnessed
• 1:23:02
  the Kennedy assassination. At that time, he was a program director for WFAA
• 1:23:08
  Radio in nineteen sixty three, and in the immediately aftermath, desperately in search
• 1:23:13
  of a telephone to report into his radio station, Pierce headed towards the schoolook
• 1:23:18
  Depository building, and in the doorway he asked the young man, where's the
• 1:23:23
  phone. The man jerked his thumb inside and replied in their asshole. Several
• 1:23:30
  weeks later, Almand realized that the young man he spoke to in the minutes
• 1:23:34
  following the assassination was likely Lee Harvey Oswald. On his way out of the
• 1:23:40
  depository building, Folks, isn't that amazing? Finally securing a telephone, Pierce
• 1:23:45
  Alman gave me now legendary breathless report live on w FAA radio. Quote,
• 1:23:54
  just a few minutes ago, the President of the United States turning from Houston
• 1:23:57
  Street on to Elm Street on his way to a scheduled lunch an appearance at
• 1:24:00
  the Stemen's Trademark, and as he went by the Texas school Book Depository headed
• 1:24:08
  for the Triple Underpass, there were three loud, reverberating explosions. Nobody moved,
• 1:24:14
  Everybody seems stunned. A few seem to knock around, wondering who has
• 1:24:18
  the firecrackers, And suddenly the Secret Servicemen sprang into action. They're convertible bearing
• 1:24:24
  the President and Missus Kennedy sped away, and officers both playing closing in uniform
• 1:24:30
  seemed to spring from everywhere all at once, guns drawn, ordering people to
• 1:24:36
  be flat. Yes, Pierce Solomon, Folks didn't He also think initially it
• 1:24:47
  was a secret service. We'll get there. We'll get there. Just hold
• 1:24:53
  on a second, Joe hold Jr. Panties. Do you promise yes?
• 1:24:59
  On February eighteenth, nineteen sixty four, This is another Special Services Bureau Criminal
• 1:25:09
  Intelligence Division DPD memo Subject Pierce Alman, Sir. Pursuing to the request of
• 1:25:17
  Captain W. F Ganaway, Subject was interviewed by the undersigned officer in the
• 1:25:21
  following report is submitted. Subject is employed as program director by radio station WFAA,
• 1:25:28
  where he has worked for six years. He resides at thirty five forty
• 1:25:31
  eight in Milton Street. Subjects stated that he and Terence Ford were at Elman
• 1:25:36
  Houston watching the parade at the time of the assassination. Subjects stated that immediately
• 1:25:43
  after the shooting, he went into the school book depository and called radio station
• 1:25:46
  WFAA. Subject further stated that he did not know Lee Harvey Oswald at that
• 1:25:53
  time and that he does not remember seeing him in or around the depository.
• 1:26:01
  Subject also stated that he does not remember seeing Marina or Jack Ruby in the
• 1:26:05
  vicinity. He also stated that he did not know either of these persons at
• 1:26:10
  that time. Now, let's go back to what he said here again several
• 1:26:18
  weeks later. Okay, this report is two months later, so according to
• 1:26:28
  him, several weeks later, Alman realized a young man he spoke to and
• 1:26:33
  the minutes following the assassination was likely Lee Harvey Oswald on his way out of
• 1:26:38
  the depository building. Yet two months after the assassination, he ain't never seen
• 1:26:45
  a guy before in his life talk about somebody making a career out of nothing
• 1:26:53
  other than being at the right place at the right time, saying some total
• 1:27:00
  bs sometime that's all you need. Well and to back that up Joe February
• 1:27:10
  eighteenth, nineteen sixty four. Another another another criminal intelligence report from the DPD,
• 1:27:16
  this one concerning Terrence Ford, the guy who was with Pierce Almon.
• 1:27:24
  The subject resides that Blah blah blah with his wife. He's been employed with
• 1:27:30
  WFA Communications Center since July third, sixty three and is presently working in the
• 1:27:36
  promotion department of the company. Subjects stated that on November twenty second, nineteen
• 1:27:41
  sixty three, he and Pierce Almon were standing in the corner of Elman Houston
• 1:27:46
  watching President John F. Kennedy's motorcate. Suddenly, three shots rang out and
• 1:27:50
  he and Almond started running. A Few minutes later, they ran into the
• 1:27:56
  school book Depository building, where Almond used a telephone to call his radio station.
• 1:28:00
  Subject stated that he was not acquainted with Lee Harvey Oswald or Jack Ruby,
• 1:28:05
  nor did he remember meeting either of them on the day of the assassination.
• 1:28:10
  He also said that he was leaving the aforementioned building, someone took his
• 1:28:14
  name and address, but he doesn't know who the person was. Respectful,
• 1:28:19
  he smitted Bellingham and Ward Law, the Criminal Intelligence Division. Imagine that,
• 1:28:27
  Joe, So its Pierce Almond a total fraud? It certainly sounds like it.
• 1:28:36
  But who am I to say? And then one last thing, Joe
• 1:28:46
  that I got. We're gonna zip back. We're gonna zip back to New
• 1:28:50
  Orleans for this one. Okay, you forgot something you got to learn how
• 1:29:00
  to do it. Okay, my next episode, We're back to New Orleans.
• 1:29:10
  And this from the Office of the District Attorney, State of Louisiana Parish,
• 1:29:15
  January twenty third, nineteen sixty eight. Statement of Sir Aloysius J.
• 1:29:21
  Habitcoorst of the New Orleans Police Department regarding the fingerprinting in facts contained on fingerprint
• 1:29:30
  card statement. On March the first, nineteen sixty seven, at approximately eight
• 1:29:35
  fifty five PM, I had occasion to print and process a white male who
• 1:29:42
  identified himself as Clay Laverne Shaw, who was booked under police I had a
• 1:29:46
  number, Seat four sixty sixty sixty seven of the New Orleans Police Department.
• 1:29:51
  Mister Shaw was given three fingerprint cards and has to sign his name in a
• 1:29:56
  designated spot on the card after having been printed by James Mallett, who is
• 1:30:02
  a New Orleans Police officer and was assigned in the b of I, that's
• 1:30:05
  Bureau of Investigation of the Central lock Up along with myself on the above date.
• 1:30:12
  In order to fill these cards, I asked mister Shaw related questions as
• 1:30:17
  to the date of birth of him, his middle name, his occupation,
• 1:30:21
  his birth date, and place scars or marks or tattoos on the identification parts
• 1:30:28
  of his body, and also asked him what other names than Clay Shaw do
• 1:30:32
  you use? And then reply mister Shaw gave me the name of Clay bertrand
• 1:30:41
  I would not consider mister Shaw's attitude as being facetious. In fact, the
• 1:30:47
  above statement is true and correct, and I have made of my own free
• 1:30:50
  will sincerely out of a wisious outogast, a New Orleans police officer. And
• 1:31:00
  last, but not least, do you remember recently, Joe, when we
• 1:31:06
  did the show and I talked a little bit about Philip Garacci, who was
• 1:31:13
  the sixteen year old kid that was in Carlos Brignier's store when Lee Harvey Oswald
• 1:31:19
  came in there to talk to Brignier and give him his marine. This is
• 1:31:26
  the kid that Oswald gave his Marine Corps manual to for gorilla tactics. And
• 1:31:32
  they were investigating this Philip Garacci kid like he had some ties, you know,
• 1:31:38
  to Oswald. Possibly right, Well, I came across this bundle of
• 1:31:46
  leads from the Garrison investigation and apparently in nineteen sixty two, so this would
• 1:31:58
  have been when Philip Garacci was fifteen years old. Okay, okay, they
• 1:32:04
  were investigating a quote, I'm gonna say it just like it's typed on this
• 1:32:12
  paper, a fag ball in Jefferson Parish in nineteen sixty two. Joe,
• 1:32:20
  do you know what a fag ball is? I cannot say. I do.
• 1:32:26
  I have a couple ideas. I don't want to get us dinged here,
• 1:32:30
  So that's a party where a lot of gays come together and dance.
• 1:32:35
  That's a fag ball. Joe okay, Oh a bar ball. That's yes,
• 1:32:43
  yes, Yes. Many people were arrested from the above ball, and
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  Dean Andrews has admitted that he paroles some of them, including the following Joe.
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  Leonard Frank was arrested and gave his address is nine oh eight Esplanade Avenue.
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  This building was owned at that time by clay Shaw. Dia Dietrich was
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  arrested and in January sixty four he was living at seven one sixty twenty four
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  Governor Nicholas Street, which was owned by you guessed it, clay Shaw.
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  James Mooney was arrested and gave his address A four nine two to one Magazine
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  Street, which is awfully damned close to Lee Harvey of forty nine oh seven
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  and a half Magazine Street or No. Four nine oh five and a half
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  Magazine Street. Charles Heffer was arrested and gave his addresses three hundred Brok Street.
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  His local address was supposed to be a building owned by clay Shaw.
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  William Johnson was arrested and gave his addresses nine three five Burgundy Street. Shawl
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  once owned nine three seven Burgundy Street. Last, but not least, Joe
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  Philip Garacci, the same one who met Oswald and Brgia's store, was arrested
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  and gave his address as two two three five Chartres Street. So apparently Philip
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  Garacci the same guy, same kid who met Oswald in BRINGI a store who
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  was out actively selling booklets to raise money for these anti Castro efforts of Brgier
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  and the dre and they've got in trouble for that. Is apparently a homosexual
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  as well. Add him to the mix. This is the guy who I
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  think he eventually got stuck in a mental institution and like died. He didn't
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  live too much longer, I think past sixty seven if I'm remember incorrectly.
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  But very interesting stuff there, Joe. That is very interesting. Thank you
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  for that connection. Oh and one more thing I leave you with, and
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  I don't have it in front of me, but I think I was gonna
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  save it for another show, but I'm going to bring it to you right
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  now. Is I came across an interview and I believe it was h I
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  believe it had to be. It was with Warren Commission or the HSCA.
• 1:35:51
  But it was an interview with missus Jesse Garner, who was Oswalt's landlady on
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  Magazine Street and who David Ferry went too to check if she had or knew
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  anything about his library card. Yes, thank you for stealing my thunder so
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  awesome of you. We're on the same page. I didn't know, dick.
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  Uh. But anyway, the point of that was, David Ferry shows
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  up there the night. Was it the night after the assassination? I believe
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  it actually were night before he left to Texas. Yeah, I think it
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  was the night of the assassination to her house, asking about Lee Harvey Oswald,
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  which he would have no reason to do unless he had been associated with
• 1:36:58
  him, And they kept cutting her off and wouldn't let her answer, and
• 1:37:05
  it was it was an interesting exchange. But I'll bring it on the next
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  show. I remember what it was now. It was part of the clay
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  Shaw trial transcript and they wouldn't let her say what David Berry said to her.
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  It's a funny comical like back and forth. But I will bring it
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  next show, I promise. But anyway, Joe, do you have anything
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  else for these fine folks tonight? Well, I'm sorry. I didn't mean
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  to suit your Thunder. It's what you do best, my friend. But
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  you know you saved surprises for me, and sometimes I don't exactly know what
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  was what is coming, but we are on the same page. I think
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  we should look at it as in a positive way. And I didn't steal
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  that much Thunder. You got to it like thirty seconds after. Uh.
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  It is what it is, you know, But I encourage every First of
• 1:38:05
  all, I want to thank everyone for joining us tonight we'll get Yes,
• 1:38:10
  that is an awesome cap and I can't wait to try that Silk City flavor.
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  Psychic Bigfoot sendor Fellow, what does that mean? What? What does
• 1:38:28
  that mean? Sendor Fella. That's Uncle Dave talking about you. Oh,
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  I just thought it was funny. It is funny. No, he was
• 1:38:39
  talking about the fag ball. Oh yeah, yeah, cinder Fellow. Yeah,
• 1:38:45
  that is very interesting and I've never heard that term before at all.
• 1:38:51
  I guess it's just like a ball, like a dance. Right. Well,
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  day, Dave's old school. He's old school. Iverson's probably he's probably
• 1:39:00
  he's a former cop. He's probably busted up a fag ball or two in
• 1:39:03
  his day beat my guest. Yeah, but I want to just close by
• 1:39:12
  saying I think if you haven't seen or you want to see Rob's episode number
• 1:39:17
  two eighty nine, the breakthrough of something I forgot the name, don't call
• 1:39:26
  it a breakthrough that is on our locals channel called JFK Assassination Conversation, and
• 1:39:33
  that is the same logo the Lone Gunman podcast screen logo, and you could
• 1:39:40
  also share documents over there and engage with us. So I had a great
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  time, Rob. We didn't make it two and a half hours. Nope,
• 1:39:51
  we're close. No, we're not too bad. We had a lot
• 1:39:55
  of info to squeeze in there for everybody, and we thank you everybody for
• 1:39:59
  hanging out this. You know, we really appreciate all the support and feedback
• 1:40:04
  from you guys, and you make our Friday nights very special. It's always
• 1:40:11
  a pleasure to hang out with you guys. And yeah, I mean it's
• 1:40:15
  cool so for Joe Brelli and his Dingy Rangers T shirt and the triple B,
• 1:40:26
  Big Bad Bob and Bigfoot. Not only here, he's also lurking right
• 1:40:33
  there. He's always lurking in the background. Folks. See you guys next
• 1:40:43
  week. You can't wait. Yes, so for air guitar Brelli, it's
• 1:40:47
  your boy, the Triple B. Pece Han