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- 1:51Speaker 3: This is a question that I haven't been asking. I've
- 1:53Speaker 3: never heard a very long time. But so you can
- 1:57Speaker 3: sell a life insurance policy, and there's like funds that
- 2:03Speaker 3: actually buy life insurance policies from people elderly people. It's
- 2:06Speaker 3: kind of like a reverse mortgage in a sense. So
- 2:09Speaker 3: like let's say somebody is seventy years old and they
- 2:12Speaker 3: have a two hundred thousand dollar life insurance policy and
- 2:15Speaker 3: they need money, like they don't have any money to
- 2:18Speaker 3: actually live, but they do have an asset which is
- 2:20Speaker 3: a life insurance So now the company would buy the
- 2:23Speaker 3: life insurance policy, let's say for forty thousand dollars, so
- 2:27Speaker 3: it's forty thousand to you, but they'll based on the
- 2:30Speaker 3: expectancy that you'll probably die within the next seven years.
- 2:34Speaker 3: So it's like, Okay, I paid forty thousand today for
- 2:37Speaker 3: two hundred thousand dollars that will mature in seven years.
- 2:41Speaker 2: Right.
- 2:43Speaker 3: So that's something that like I said, I haven't been
- 2:47Speaker 3: asked that question in a long time, but I guess
- 2:49Speaker 3: they saw a commercial and they was asking me about it.
- 2:51Speaker 3: So that is something that you can It is a strategy,
- 2:56Speaker 3: but it is important to keep in mind if somebody's
- 2:59Speaker 3: going to buy an ass said, usually they're not buying
- 3:02Speaker 3: it unless they're going to make a high rate of return, right,
- 3:07Speaker 3: it's like anything.
- 3:08Speaker 4: Yeah, So.
- 3:12Speaker 3: That's why it's important to have other planning in place,
- 3:15Speaker 3: Like last week we talked about retirement plan and we
- 3:17Speaker 3: talking about investing, because you don't want to get to
- 3:19Speaker 3: a point where that's your only asset to sell because a,
- 3:22Speaker 3: I mean, yeah, you're short changing the amount, but also
- 3:25Speaker 3: now you no longer have that life insurance policy as
- 3:28Speaker 3: far as the beneficiary is not if you were going
- 3:30Speaker 3: to leave it to your grandkids.
- 3:32Speaker 4: Now they're screwed.
- 3:34Speaker 2: Yeah they're done.
- 3:36Speaker 3: But yeah, that's that's something that you know, hedge funds
- 3:40Speaker 3: have been doing for a while and by a life
- 3:44Speaker 3: insurance policy. They go and they look, it's like a
- 3:46Speaker 3: distressed asset. They see who's vulnerable, they see who who might.
- 3:51Speaker 4: Be selling the life insurance is crazy.
- 3:53Speaker 5: Chat, record labels have been doing the same thing, and
- 3:55Speaker 5: they've been giving the moment the money when they die.
- 3:58Speaker 4: We're gonna talk on blackout.
- 3:59Speaker 3: But everything's a business. Everything is a business in America.
- 4:02Speaker 3: And yeah, they found out that that was actually a
- 4:05Speaker 3: viable business opportunity that they can because it's guaranteed and
- 4:09Speaker 3: they paid the premium, so they'll take over. They'll pay
- 4:11Speaker 3: the premium, but in return they'll get the death benefit
- 4:15Speaker 3: when you die.
- 4:16Speaker 2: They how expensive is the premium, Well, it's the same
- 4:20Speaker 2: premium that whatever it was, so okay.
- 4:22Speaker 1: So that would be like if somebody got a life
- 4:26Speaker 1: insurance policy on their elderly parents, very similar in that sense,
- 4:31Speaker 1: where the premium is going to be a little bit more.
- 4:33Speaker 2: Obviously, it depends when you get it.
- 4:35Speaker 3: Like I'm saying, like somebody can get life insurance when
- 4:37Speaker 3: they're forty years old, right, and they have it and
- 4:39Speaker 3: they paid premium for thirty years and that is seventy
- 4:42Speaker 3: So you ask the term. They don't do it on term.
- 4:45Speaker 3: They do it on whole because term is expired. So
- 4:47Speaker 3: it's all based off of calculations. So they want to
- 4:49Speaker 3: do it on the probability that you're So that's why
- 4:52Speaker 3: like the seventies a sweet spot because like seventy eight
- 4:55Speaker 3: is like the life is back in see eighty two
- 4:57Speaker 3: or something like that. So you buy it on an
- 4:59Speaker 3: elderly person, Yeah, that person probably already had life insurance
- 5:04Speaker 3: for a while. Because you can't get life insurance in
- 5:06Speaker 3: seventy it's gonna be difficult. So they probably already had
- 5:08Speaker 3: it for at least twenty years. So if their premium,
- 5:11Speaker 3: if they paid the premium since they were fifty, they're
- 5:14Speaker 3: just gonna take it over. They're gonna take the premium
- 5:15Speaker 3: payments over and now when this so they're just sitting there,
- 5:20Speaker 3: sit and wait for you to die and then bus
- 5:24Speaker 3: and then when you exactly. So, now, if you've got
- 5:26Speaker 3: a whole portfolio, if you got one hundred million dollars
- 5:29Speaker 3: in life insurance that you've that you've purchased for let's
- 5:31Speaker 3: say twenty million dollars, you've essentially you're buying money with
- 5:38Speaker 3: the maturity date is so it's like bonds in a sense, right,
- 5:41Speaker 3: where it's it's guaranteed. You're paying a premium. So let's
- 5:44Speaker 3: say that premium over the So let's say it by
- 5:46Speaker 3: the time you finished paying a premium, you're gonna pay
- 5:48Speaker 3: forty thousand on your forty million on your portfolio. So
- 5:50Speaker 3: you're going to spend forty million, but you're gonna get
- 5:53Speaker 3: two hundred.
- 5:53Speaker 2: Million guarantee because everybody's gonna die.
- 5:56Speaker 4: Yeah.
- 5:57Speaker 1: Yeah, But is that transferable? So like what if the
- 6:00Speaker 1: and who's buying it? Well, you said it's a hedge fund,
- 6:01Speaker 1: so it's a little bit different. But if it was
- 6:03Speaker 1: an individual, is that transferable? Is that something that can
- 6:06Speaker 1: be passed down? Like how does that? However?
- 6:08Speaker 4: Is what transferable?
- 6:09Speaker 1: So like, if let's say me as an individual or
- 6:11Speaker 1: I have an l C or a company that is
- 6:12Speaker 1: now buying these insurance policies, let's say I do it
- 6:16Speaker 1: on twenty people, that goes that's under my portfolio, right,
- 6:20Speaker 1: that is a transferable asset to my like.
- 6:24Speaker 2: My son, my daughter.
- 6:26Speaker 3: No, it's going to go to your company, the company. Yeah, yeah,
- 6:29Speaker 3: so it's not like a personal thing. It's in corporate.
- 6:32Speaker 3: So I guess it's kind of like a reverse mortgage.
- 6:35Speaker 3: We haven't spoke about that in a while. But what's
- 6:37Speaker 3: that called? I had a cool settlement?
- 6:40Speaker 4: Settlement Okay, to get some insurance on some of your career.
- 6:47Speaker 2: What is it life?
- 6:48Speaker 4: I hear, my boy, I hear.
- 6:52Speaker 2: For sure, like, no, can't sure.
- 6:54Speaker 3: But also if you have if you have an elderly
- 6:56Speaker 3: if you have an elderly person in your family, just
- 6:58Speaker 3: make sure because they'll get tar get it. So they
- 7:00Speaker 3: might not fully understand. They say, oh, somebody gonna give
- 7:02Speaker 3: me forty thousand dollars today. That sounds good, like you know,
- 7:06Speaker 3: and like I said, it's like a reverse mortgage in
- 7:08Speaker 3: the sense where a lot of times people can't pay
- 7:10Speaker 3: their mortgages anymore, so somebody, oh, kind of they'll they'll pay,
- 7:15Speaker 3: they'll buy out the home so they're still they still
- 7:18Speaker 3: living at home.
- 7:18Speaker 2: Until they die.
- 7:19Speaker 3: But when they die, now the home goes back to
- 7:22Speaker 3: the fund or the bank or whoever is. So it's like, okay,
- 7:26Speaker 3: I'm gonna take care of your mortgage. That sounds good.
- 7:28Speaker 3: Through somebody until they until they realize that, Yeah, they're
- 7:32Speaker 3: paying your mortgage for three years to get your home. Yeah,
- 7:35Speaker 3: so it's like, what's three years of a mortgage payment
- 7:38Speaker 3: for a million dollar home for real?
- 7:41Speaker 4: Seven hundred thousand?
- 7:42Speaker 5: Oh my god, be careful, that's.
- 7:46Speaker 3: So yeah, So got to be gotta be careful, all right?
- 7:50Speaker 3: In the prey absolutely, Yeah, people's always going. It's always
- 7:53Speaker 3: gonna be away to It's always a way to make money.
- 7:55Speaker 4: Firetical settlement word of today.
- 7:57Speaker 3: God, there's always a way to make money in America.
- 8:00Speaker 1: Just got to figure it out where the ted dbs.
- 8:06Speaker 3: Okay, so what does what does the phrase the bigger
- 8:09Speaker 3: the base, the higher, the higher in space reveal about
- 8:14Speaker 3: market dynamics in twenty twenty three?
- 8:16Speaker 5: Yeah, because I think we're going to get to a
- 8:17Speaker 5: place depending on what this fair cut is. If you
- 8:20Speaker 5: look at let's say Intel, I know I've put on
- 8:23Speaker 5: Intel for a long period of time. If we look
- 8:25Speaker 5: at the chart, they are at levels from two thousand
- 8:28Speaker 5: and eight, two thousand and nine.
- 8:30Speaker 2: If you truly.
- 8:31Speaker 5: Believe that the government giving them money is going to
- 8:33Speaker 5: help long term, this would be a good place to
- 8:38Speaker 5: begin to build a base in this company. Building a
- 8:41Speaker 5: base is just buy a bunch of shares at a
- 8:43Speaker 5: certain price and then expecting it to go up for
- 8:46Speaker 5: four or five years later. Intel, I don't think we'll
- 8:48Speaker 5: do that, but I think when we're having these moments
- 8:51Speaker 5: of consolidation and people are being afraid if the rate
- 8:54Speaker 5: cuts are going to happen, find an asset that you
- 8:56Speaker 5: like that is distressed in the same fashion by bunch
- 9:00Speaker 5: of shares at a particular price, give it four or
- 9:02Speaker 5: five years to go up. And the NBA okay now
- 9:04Speaker 5: in video they are over indexing on AI. They are
- 9:07Speaker 5: the main supplier in the AI space. So that's why
- 9:10Speaker 5: I say Intel won't do well. But if you look
- 9:12Speaker 5: in crypto, if you look in small caps, you may
- 9:15Speaker 5: be able to find a company that is not moving
- 9:17Speaker 5: incredibly fast and then be able to buy a bunch
- 9:20Speaker 5: of shares at that price and then three or four
- 9:21Speaker 5: years it's going to go up.
- 9:22Speaker 2: Yeah. It reminded me of the kind of what we
- 9:24Speaker 2: talked about last.
- 9:25Speaker 1: Week, where when you see downturn, on the other side
- 9:30Speaker 1: of that, it's potential games.
- 9:31Speaker 4: Yep.
- 9:31Speaker 1: So the longer that the company trade sideways and some
- 9:35Speaker 1: of these companies are really good, like a lot of
- 9:36Speaker 1: times people look like, isn't that a good company. Yes,
- 9:38Speaker 1: it is a good company. It's just consolidating right now. Right,
- 9:42Speaker 1: it's trading sideways. But on the other end of that
- 9:45Speaker 1: is that when it's down like that or it's trading sideways,
- 9:47Speaker 1: there's going to be If it's a great company, the
- 9:50Speaker 1: potential growth there is there, and so you have a
- 9:52Speaker 1: growth stock that that will perform well.
- 9:54Speaker 2: But it takes.
- 9:55Speaker 1: It takes discipline, it tastes seasoning, and it takes patience.
- 9:58Speaker 1: It is because when you see in the video go
- 10:00Speaker 1: of one hundred and forty three percent, or you see
- 10:03Speaker 1: super micro go, you're.
- 10:04Speaker 2: Watching these things, you're like, wait, I'm missing it. I'm
- 10:06Speaker 2: missing it. And sometimes the winds are in. Let's talk
- 10:10Speaker 2: about Apple.
- 10:10Speaker 4: Yeah, just seven years ago, Yeah, it was straight.
- 10:13Speaker 1: Why is it not moving? Why is it not moving? Well,
- 10:15Speaker 1: it was consolidating and obviously the pandemic happened and boom,
- 10:19Speaker 1: Apple goes on the run. Amazon has done it before too,
- 10:22Speaker 1: So solid companies will consolidate. Sometimes it'll take five six months.
- 10:26Speaker 1: I know people are looking at Google like, just give
- 10:30Speaker 1: it time when it's in a consolidation phase. Realize that
- 10:34Speaker 1: there's going to be a upside that you can have
- 10:35Speaker 1: extreme extreme growth in So just.
- 10:38Speaker 4: Be patients, always paced that you have to do it
- 10:40Speaker 4: in the quality company. That's the key.
- 10:42Speaker 3: I forgot one thing about the viatical settlement that chat
- 10:44Speaker 3: GPT reminded me, which makes it even more like shows
- 10:47Speaker 3: you how like American capitalism works. So most of the
- 10:50Speaker 3: time it's actually done, I said in the life, but.
- 10:54Speaker 2: So is it.
- 10:55Speaker 3: Viatical settlement is a financial arrangement in which a person
- 10:58Speaker 3: with the terminal or chronicle illness that life insurance policy
- 11:01Speaker 3: for a third party for a lump sum payment to buyer.
- 11:04Speaker 3: The policy becomes beneficiarting and assumes responsibility for paying the
- 11:07Speaker 3: policy's premium upon original payer's death. Typically the payer the
- 11:12Speaker 3: payment the seller receives. So this is the important part.
- 11:21Speaker 3: It's usually for people who need immediate cash to cover
- 11:24Speaker 3: medical bills and living expenses or financial needs while they're
- 11:26Speaker 3: still alive. So it's like, all right, you have brain cancer,
- 11:30Speaker 3: you got six months to live, and you don't have
- 11:32Speaker 3: enough money to actually so it's a multi layered conversation.
- 11:35Speaker 3: This speaks to the American health system as well. People
- 11:38Speaker 3: don't have enough money actually pay their medical bills, right,
- 11:40Speaker 3: So it's like, now you got somebody in Wall Street
- 11:42Speaker 3: that's like, Okay, this person in Nebraska has brain cancer
- 11:47Speaker 3: and they're about to die, but they don't have enough
- 11:49Speaker 3: money to actually even get chemo. You got a half
- 11:52Speaker 3: a million dollar life insurance policy. I'm gonna give you
- 11:54Speaker 3: fifty thousand dollars so at least you can get chemo
- 11:58Speaker 3: therapy for a couple of months after that your your
- 12:03Speaker 3: life insurance Polsey's mine.
- 12:05Speaker 5: This happened a lot in eight with a patients in
- 12:07Speaker 5: the nineties as well too. That was a big cash
- 12:09Speaker 5: scrap for a lot of investors that it came out
- 12:12Speaker 5: maybe ten years after that they were doing that.
- 12:14Speaker 4: Yeah, it's sad and sick.
- 12:17Speaker 5: Yeah, it's a crazy world we live in, especially on
- 12:20Speaker 5: that insurance side.
- 12:21Speaker 2: But yeah, what you're gonna do.
- 12:23Speaker 3: Somebody's always gonna it's always gonna be what do you do,
- 12:25Speaker 3: a shark in the water?
- 12:27Speaker 2: Always arbitrage if you need it, what you're gonna do?
- 12:30Speaker 5: Yeah, but pay attention to the numbers. They're looking for
- 12:33Speaker 5: five X return number. I've told you about endlessly every
- 12:36Speaker 5: asset class are looking to exit around the same area.
- 12:40Speaker 5: Please be careful and going back to the healthcare issue.
- 12:43Speaker 5: This is one with these conversations about how much money
- 12:45Speaker 5: do you need and levels of wealth. You can go
- 12:48Speaker 5: bankrupt really fast in two or three months if going
- 12:51Speaker 5: through chemo and radiation. If you don't have the money
- 12:54Speaker 5: and insurance doesn't cover it, you can run up a
- 12:56Speaker 5: bill for two three hundred thousand dollars in two or
- 12:58Speaker 5: three months.
- 12:58Speaker 4: For sure.
- 12:59Speaker 2: It's crazy.
- 13:00Speaker 3: We gotta talk about long term care one week too,
- 13:02Speaker 3: because that's another way you go. Even nursing homes. Those
- 13:05Speaker 3: nursing homes like thirty thousand dollars a.
- 13:07Speaker 2: Month a month.
- 13:10Speaker 4: Some are the house. Yeah, yeah, it is real.
- 13:14Speaker 3: Yeah, that's like a month. So if you don't have
- 13:17Speaker 3: what happens is that they exhaust. So with them, that's
- 13:20Speaker 3: an interesting case study too because they're like, okay, well
- 13:24Speaker 3: the government comes in with like medicaid, medicare or whatever.
- 13:27Speaker 3: But they only do that when you exhaust, when you
- 13:29Speaker 3: have no money, So you got to exhaust all your
- 13:32Speaker 3: retirement account, all your bank account. They like, you literally
- 13:36Speaker 3: have to be poor then the government will come in
- 13:39Speaker 3: and supply some help. So yeah, that's another thing. You
- 13:43Speaker 3: save your whole life for your four to one k
- 13:46Speaker 3: and then you get dementia and now that four one
- 13:49Speaker 3: k is going in a year. So that's why you
- 13:52Speaker 3: got to plan for that as well. Or now you
- 13:54Speaker 3: gotta live it with your your son or your daughter
- 13:56Speaker 3: and now you put it. That's a tremendous stress that
- 13:58Speaker 3: you got to put on there because it's like you're
- 14:01Speaker 3: not gonna have your parents just out in the whim.
- 14:03Speaker 4: Yeah, they're not equipped to take care of them.
- 14:06Speaker 2: To build the west wing for all of this.
- 14:09Speaker 3: Oh yeah, it all comes in. It all comes into
- 14:11Speaker 3: play man. You got you cash is king and preparation.
- 14:15Speaker 2: Is important, absolutely, yeah, on all fronts. Like it was
- 14:18Speaker 2: like I had this conversation with my parents, it was
- 14:21Speaker 2: how does this work?
- 14:22Speaker 1: Do you take care of your children your whole life
- 14:23Speaker 1: for your children to didn't take care of you while
- 14:26Speaker 1: having children, So how do we break this cycle?
- 14:28Speaker 2: It's planning that the answer is a lot of planning.
- 14:31Speaker 1: That's the overall answer that we came to the conclusions
- 14:34Speaker 1: like planning right, because if I'm preparing for the next
- 14:37Speaker 1: generation to take care of the generation before me, it's
- 14:40Speaker 1: a string.
- 14:41Speaker 2: It can be or it can be. We've been blessed.
- 14:43Speaker 1: I'm extremely blessed I'm not complaining, but like everybody's not
- 14:46Speaker 1: in my situation, and everybody may not have a situation
- 14:49Speaker 1: like hey mom and dad.
- 14:50Speaker 2: You can come live with me. So what the planning.
- 14:52Speaker 1: Part has to The conversation needs to happen, but the
- 14:55Speaker 1: planning phase needs to happen right after the conversation.
- 14:57Speaker 3: So I just chat. GBT says in New York City
- 15:02Speaker 3: nursing home could exceed fifteen thousand dollars the moth sorry,
- 15:05Speaker 3: so maybe not thirty That's just been a minile if
- 15:07Speaker 3: you want other you.
- 15:08Speaker 2: Know, fifteen bands is a lot, no for sure.
- 15:11Speaker 3: Fifteen yeah, and that's not for exceptional care. This space level, right,
- 15:16Speaker 3: and if you want like all the specialists to come in.
- 15:18Speaker 4: And private doctors.
- 15:19Speaker 1: There a whole telling somebody to pay I mean asking
- 15:22Speaker 1: someone fifteen thousand when they've lived on fixed income potentially
- 15:25Speaker 1: for the past ten to fifteen years.
- 15:26Speaker 2: It's crazy.
- 15:27Speaker 1: Then asking somebody who might be their their children to
- 15:30Speaker 1: Now most people are renting, but let's say you are
- 15:34Speaker 1: average mortgage three thousand dollars fifteen thousand, wow, yeah, healthcare.
- 15:40Speaker 5: And then to not get the best covers, like if
- 15:42Speaker 5: your family is in those nursing homes. You better go
- 15:44Speaker 5: check the abuse levels.
- 15:47Speaker 1: You want to put them in the best one. You
- 15:48Speaker 1: want to have them in close proximity to where you
- 15:50Speaker 1: are so you can get.
- 15:51Speaker 3: The room you have a roommate. Yeah, that's like, oh yeah, no.
- 15:55Speaker 3: This medical system, man, medical medical system, biggest big in America,
- 16:00Speaker 3: absolutely biggest business in America.
- 16:03Speaker 4: At every level. They'll find a way to extract money
- 16:06Speaker 4: out of you college tuition, marriage.
- 16:09Speaker 5: Healthcare, and then it's a crazy part. They'll put you
- 16:12Speaker 5: in a nursing home and they put you on more
- 16:13Speaker 5: medicine to run the insurance up. They end up having
- 16:15Speaker 5: to pay out of pocket.
- 16:17Speaker 2: Insurance is a whole.
- 16:18Speaker 4: Less, it's a whole.
- 16:23Speaker 1: Gotta make sure they then when you need it, they
- 16:25Speaker 1: don't want you to use it. Then when you do
- 16:27Speaker 1: use it, they help your premium. Yeah, it's like there's
- 16:30Speaker 1: a race that you can't win.
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