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12-year-old Mastermind Convicted for Stabbing, Leaving Bestie for Dead to Be Released · Crime Stories with Nancy Grace

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  Speaker 1: Crime Stories with Nancy Grace. Little Peyton Lautner was just
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  Speaker 1: twelve years old when she was allured to the woods
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  Speaker 1: and stabbed repeatedly in a sickening attack. Left for dead
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  Speaker 1: the two perps her twelve year old friends. In the
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  Speaker 1: last days, a stunning blow to the victim. I'm Nancy Grace.
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  Speaker 1: This is Crime Stories. Thank you for being with us.
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  Speaker 1: That's right. In the last days, the slender Man stabber
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  Speaker 1: Morgan Geyser is set to be released from prison, despite
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  Speaker 1: the little victim, Peyton Lautner's anguished please. Geyser and co
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  Speaker 1: defendant Anissa Weir just twelve when they attacked their little
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  Speaker 1: friend Peyton Lautner. Since that time, Duyser has been in
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  Speaker 1: a psychiatric facility, but in the last days, a judge
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  Speaker 1: grants her release, this over the anguished please of the
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  Speaker 1: victim and her family. What happened that horrible night?
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  Speaker 2: She walks up coming on and transfer with a caller
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  Speaker 2: on Big Bend at the dead End just south of RIVERA. Okay,
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  Speaker 2: it's awesome.
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  Speaker 3: Came upon a twelve year old female.
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  Speaker 2: Two pears to be stabbed. She appears to be wet
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  Speaker 2: stap stabbed. Okay, sorry for there. Yes, Hi, sir, So
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  Speaker 2: are you with this twel year old female?
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  Speaker 4: Yes? She says she's having trouble breathing. She said she
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  Speaker 4: was stabbed multiple times.
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  Speaker 2: That multiple times. Yeah, okay, sir, are you with her
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  Speaker 2: right now?
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  Speaker 4: Yes?
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  Speaker 2: Is she awake?
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  Speaker 4: She's awake.
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  Speaker 2: Is she breathing?
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  Speaker 4: Yeah, she's breathing. She said she can take shallow breath.
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  Speaker 4: She's alert.
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  Speaker 2: Okay, whether we're sending the police department, don't hang up, okay,
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  Speaker 2: hold on you a minute. Don't hang up, okay, okay,
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  Speaker 2: hold on, schmister. We're setting officers. Is there any assailants around?
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  Speaker 1: Ah?
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  Speaker 4: I didn't even look. I don't see anybody.
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  Speaker 2: Okay, stay stay right with her, sir. Is she on
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  Speaker 2: the ground or she standing up?
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  Speaker 4: No, she's laying on the grass.
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  Speaker 2: Is there any bleeding going on?
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  Speaker 4: Her clothing has got blood on it.
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  Speaker 2: Where are the wounds? Do you see where the wounds are?
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  Speaker 5: No?
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  Speaker 4: I don't know if I should be rolling or over
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  Speaker 4: and checking or not. Do you know where?
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  Speaker 2: Okay, just stay with her and just let me know
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  Speaker 2: if she's conscious or alert or stop spreading anything. Hold
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  Speaker 2: on then to talk to the ambulance. Police are also
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  Speaker 2: in route.
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  Speaker 5: Okay, so you see any active bleeding or blood spurting
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  Speaker 5: out or anything like that.
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  Speaker 4: No, unless it's underneath or I just see dried blood.
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  Speaker 2: Okay, just dried blood.
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  Speaker 6: Okay.
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  Speaker 1: You are hearing a nine one one call. That becomes
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  Speaker 1: even more chilling when you realize the victim is a
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  Speaker 1: twelve year old little girl. The victim speaks out listen
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  Speaker 1: prints at.
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  Speaker 7: T m J four Wire told police planning the attack
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  Speaker 7: made her scared, but she wanted to prove Sunderman's skeptics wrong.
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  Speaker 8: And I would never my family again, and b I
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  Speaker 8: will know.
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  Speaker 7: That I live in Crady, Guyser says. The victim Peyton
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  Speaker 7: had been her best friend for years. She says she
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  Speaker 7: didn't choose Peyton, but went along with it.
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  Speaker 9: Damn her.
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  Speaker 5: Was weird?
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  Speaker 6: Were the baby?
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  Speaker 9: I'm wanting to hurt people before, but they're not named
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  Speaker 9: to me?
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  Speaker 1: A little girl saying before, I wanted to hurt people
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  Speaker 1: and they deserved it. Two girls, Morgan Geyser and Anissa Weir.
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  Speaker 1: Could they possibly have lured their twelve year old litle
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  Speaker 1: best friend out of the woods and then stabbed her,
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  Speaker 1: leaving her for dead. That's what police are reporting right
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  Speaker 1: now to crime Online. Dot Com investigative reporter Levi Paige Levi,
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  Speaker 1: take me back to the night this little girl was
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  Speaker 1: stabbed multiple times, left for dead, bleeding out, left to quote,
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  Speaker 1: bleed out in the woods. You think it was a
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  Speaker 1: sex offender, a registered sex offender, a pedophile, a maniac.
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  Speaker 1: But it turns out it's two little girls.
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  Speaker 4: Yes.
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  Speaker 10: Nancy May twenty fourteen, Morgan Geyser is celebrating her birthday.
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  Speaker 10: She had turned twelve, and she invited two of her classmates,
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  Speaker 10: her friend Peyton Lutner and Anissa Weir, who are also twelve,
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  Speaker 10: over to her home. They went skating, they ate frozen yogurt.
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  Speaker 10: They had a slumber party.
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  Speaker 1: Okay, stop stop, stop, stop right there, Jason Oceans, this
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  Speaker 1: is just like every other kid's birthday party. Jason Oceans.
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  Speaker 1: You've got two children, You've lived through it. It makes
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  Speaker 1: it worse to me when it's a wolf in sheep's clothed.
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  Speaker 1: Joe Scott that this was supposed to be an innocent,
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  Speaker 1: fun birthday party for little twelve year old girls.
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  Speaker 11: I mean, really, yeah, you would think that they'd be
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  Speaker 11: completely and totally safe. But yeah, and your defenses are down.
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  Speaker 11: Wouldn't you think twelve years old. Who's going to expect
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  Speaker 11: that this kind of behavior is going to rise up
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  Speaker 11: among what would seemly be a few innocent little children.
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  Speaker 1: I mean Chloyd Steiger thirty six years, Seattle PD, twenty
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  Speaker 1: two years, homicide detective. I mean, I've seen plenty of
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  Speaker 1: twelve year old killers. I'm not proud of it, but
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  Speaker 1: I had to do a stint in juvenile. But usually
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  Speaker 1: there twelve year old going on twenty five dopers, you know,
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  Speaker 1: getting their parents drugs, mental issues that nobody knew about
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  Speaker 1: those types of killings by twelve year olds. But two
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  Speaker 1: little suburban twelve year old girls having a birthday party, Really,
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  Speaker 1: have you ever seen anything like that, because.
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  Speaker 11: I have not.
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  Speaker 6: I've never seen thing of the twelve year old life.
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  Speaker 6: And something very similar with some like sixteen year old
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  Speaker 6: boys or or like you know, not criminal boys that
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  Speaker 6: lured one of their friends into the woods and killed
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  Speaker 6: them because of an argument over a girl. But this
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  Speaker 6: is really an anomaly. And like you said, I've arrested
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  Speaker 6: I think the youngest I arrested as thirteen, but that
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  Speaker 6: was a gang bang thing, you know, and a long
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  Speaker 6: history of violence before that.
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  Speaker 1: So it's really unusual, a lot different from a little
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  Speaker 1: girl sleepover in suburbia. To doctor Daniel Bober, it it's
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  Speaker 1: like when, let me just compare it to a little
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  Speaker 1: old lady you pass in the street and she's got
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  Speaker 1: a walker and she pulls out an oozy on you
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  Speaker 1: and takes your money and runs. You don't see it
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  Speaker 1: coming that I'm explain. What am I trying to say?
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  Speaker 1: Put it in forensic psychiatric words.
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  Speaker 5: Well, they ask you. It's a little bit different than
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  Speaker 5: an old lady.
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  Speaker 12: A twelve year old doesn't really have the capacity to
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  Speaker 12: make those types.
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  Speaker 1: Of I'm saying, you don't see it coming, Bober. I
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  Speaker 1: know there's a difference in a little old lady and
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  Speaker 1: a twelve year old girl. What I'm saying is the
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  Speaker 1: whole wolf in sheep's clothing thing.
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  Speaker 12: Yeah, well, I agree with you. You definitely don't see a company.
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  Speaker 12: It's not something you would ever see coming. I agree
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  Speaker 12: with you on that.
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  Speaker 1: Wait, you're the renown forensic psychiatrist and your takeaway is yet,
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  Speaker 1: Nancy is something you don't see coming.
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  Speaker 9: That's it.
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  Speaker 1: I've already said that, doctor Bober. You're gonna have to
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  Speaker 1: think of something impressive and psychiatric, right, Now, well, let me.
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  Speaker 12: Just say that if it was something we would see coming,
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  Speaker 12: then this wouldn't even be a story that we'd be
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  Speaker 12: talking about.
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  Speaker 5: But the point, but.
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  Speaker 12: My point is is that it's something that you would
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  Speaker 12: not expect that of a twelve year old, but when
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  Speaker 12: it happens, it's something that you is explainable by the
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  Speaker 12: fact that they don't really have the capacity to wagh
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  Speaker 12: the future consequences of their actions.
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  Speaker 1: Well, you're certainly right about that, Levi PAGEC. All you
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  Speaker 1: had to do was say skating rink and everything went sideways.
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  Speaker 1: Let's just go back to the party.
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  Speaker 11: What happened.
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  Speaker 10: So then they had a sleepover and after the sleepover
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  Speaker 10: in the morning, the three girls went to the park.
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  Speaker 10: They went for a walk, and this was Morgan Geyser
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  Speaker 10: and Anissa Were's idea to go for a walk.
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  Speaker 5: So they went out into the woods.
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  Speaker 10: And while they were in the woods, they were playing
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  Speaker 10: hide and seek, or they were pretending to play hide
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  Speaker 10: and seek, and they told Peyton Lautner to lay down
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  Speaker 10: in the in the leaves and that they were going
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  Speaker 10: to hide. Well, instead, Morgan Guyser pulled out a knife
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  Speaker 10: and stabbed her nineteen times.
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  Speaker 1: And this is after they have to spend the night
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  Speaker 1: with the little girl. The three of them besties take
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  Speaker 1: a Listen to our Friend Davy Muir at ABC twenty
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  Speaker 1: twenty with Angie Geyser's Morgan's mom, Peyton.
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  Speaker 9: Was so so excited.
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  Speaker 5: The girls met in fourth grade. Peyton drawn to Morgan
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  Speaker 5: because she was a loner who needed a friend.
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  Speaker 13: I made friends with her when I saw that she
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  Speaker 13: didn't have any friends at all.
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  Speaker 5: Also, at that sleepover, Anissa Wire, who was new to
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  Speaker 5: the school and who had grown close to Morgan. They
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  Speaker 5: layed up in Morgan's bedroom, ran up and down the stairs,
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  Speaker 5: giggling and laughing, and I mean, it was just a
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  Speaker 5: normal night, but there was nothing normal about what happened
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  Speaker 5: the next morning when Morgan and Anissa suggests they all
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  Speaker 5: go to the park and then to the woods together.
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  Speaker 13: And Nissa told me to lie on the ground and
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  Speaker 13: like cover myself in like sticks and leaves and stuff.
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  Speaker 9: But it was really just a trick.
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  Speaker 1: Crime Stories with Nancy Grace Bombshell in the Last Days,
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  Speaker 1: the slender Man stabber Morgan Geyser is set to be
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  Speaker 1: released from prison. When the little twelve year old victim
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  Speaker 1: was stabbed multiple times and left for dead. The victim's
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  Speaker 1: family relieved she managed to pull through, and now, at
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  Speaker 1: the ten year mark of the brutal stabbing, we learn
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  Speaker 1: the perp is set to be really Recall she was
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  Speaker 1: sentenced to forty years behind bars. That sentence went down
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  Speaker 1: in twenty eighteen. It's only been six years since the
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  Speaker 1: sentence occurred. What happened the night a twelve year old
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  Speaker 1: little girl was lured to her planned death by Slenderman devotees?
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  Speaker 2: Don't be afraid.
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  Speaker 4: I remember a little kitty cat jumped on top of fellas.
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  Speaker 5: Shot her for you, And do you remember when it started?
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  Speaker 13: Kind of I didn't feel anything because my body was
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  Speaker 13: in shock. So they told me to lay down, you'll
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  Speaker 13: lose blood. Slower like we're gonna go get.
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  Speaker 4: Help, and tried to get up.
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  Speaker 6: Trying to get up, he said that she couldn't walk
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  Speaker 6: and that she.
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  Speaker 14: Had breathed, and they told her they were going to
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  Speaker 14: go get her help, but Anissa flat outside.
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  Speaker 9: No, we weren't getting the help we wanted her today.
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  Speaker 13: I got up and I just walked until I hit
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  Speaker 13: a patch of grass where I.
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  Speaker 9: Can lay down.
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  Speaker 5: A bicyclist notices Peyton bloodied and lying in the grass.
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  Speaker 5: He calls nine one one.
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  Speaker 1: You're hearing our friends at ABC twenty twenty. That was
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  Speaker 1: David Mure with Peyton along with Detective Tressoni. Did you notice,
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  Speaker 1: Joseph Scott Morgan that the little victim then twelve year
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  Speaker 1: old Peyton says, by the way, when you hear them
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  Speaker 1: refer to Bella, that's her nickname. Peyton's nickname is Bella.
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  Speaker 1: Did you hear her say I didn't feel anything? What
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  Speaker 1: does that mean?
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  Speaker 11: Well, that means and she's actually in some of her
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  Speaker 11: interviews she's gone on to say that she was in shock.
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  Speaker 11: And I'm sure that that's what's been conveyed to her
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  Speaker 11: because she would have asked, why didn't I feel anything?
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  Speaker 11: It's it's a primal response that we have to being
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  Speaker 11: attacked like this, and Nancy, this little girl will stab
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  Speaker 11: nineteen times over a variety of areas in her body.
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  Speaker 11: So after a period of time, the body is beginning
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  Speaker 11: to shut down just so that she's not gonna feel
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  Speaker 11: this response.
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  Speaker 1: Man, I've always heard of your body going into shock.
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  Speaker 1: You don't feel things, you know, Jason, you and I
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  Speaker 1: have discussed this many many times. Jason otion is with
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  Speaker 1: me veteran defense attorney in the Tri State area, New York,
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  Speaker 1: New Jersey, Pennsylvania. Jason. I always wondered about my fiance
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  Speaker 1: when he was murdered. You know, he was shot five
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  Speaker 1: times in the neck that faced the head. I always
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  Speaker 1: hoped that he went into shock and didn't understand or
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  Speaker 1: know what was happening, that he was alive and then
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  Speaker 1: he was gone. But I also know that when he
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  Speaker 1: got to the hospital, even after all that, he was
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  Speaker 1: physically still alive.
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  Speaker 9: His heart was still beating.
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  Speaker 1: So I guess it's a blessing when people physically go
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  Speaker 1: into shock, for sure.
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  Speaker 3: Nancy, you know, as the doctor said that that's a
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  Speaker 3: natural reaction, and you know, you listen to the testimony
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  Speaker 3: of and you're just you're shocked as well. You know,
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  Speaker 3: she reacted that way, and the twelve year old the
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  Speaker 3: scenario of what happened to her, she explains it and
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  Speaker 3: the only natural and in some way a blessing that
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  Speaker 3: she doesn't feel that physical pain of being stabbed nineteen times.
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  Speaker 1: You know, I've noticed it with my daughter Lucy. The
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  Speaker 1: other day, we tried, what a scene to take fat
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  Speaker 1: Boy for a walk. I even had him on a leash.
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  Speaker 1: Somehow he wiggled out. He's a docs and mix. He
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  Speaker 1: wiggled out of the leash. He took off running and
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  Speaker 1: got between two rotwilers. He started the fight with two
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  Speaker 1: rotwilers in between them, and I immediately take off, which
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  Speaker 1: was completely wrong, but I instinctively tried to pull him
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  Speaker 1: out from between the two rotwilers, who basically just ignored him,
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  Speaker 1: thank goodness. But he was, I guess, fighting with himself,
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  Speaker 1: trying to egg them on. But I turned back quickly
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  Speaker 1: because I yelled at the children, stay away, go back,
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  Speaker 1: don't come over here. Lucy had just frozen. She was
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  Speaker 1: still still in the same position, holding the leash in
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  Speaker 1: her hand, dangling. John David was jumping up and down,
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  Speaker 1: yelling and running around in circles and trying to come over.
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  Speaker 1: But Lucy froze. And I've noticed that, doctor Bober, What
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  Speaker 1: is that instinct when you are in shot and you
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  Speaker 1: just freeze.
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  Speaker 12: Well, Nancy, they talk about fight or flight, but it's
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  Speaker 12: really fight flight or freeze, and that's the freeze. And
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  Speaker 12: the freeze is sort of what we called dissociation, where
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  Speaker 12: you're disconnected from your thoughts and your emotions when you
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  Speaker 12: become too overwhelmed.
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  Speaker 6: That's what it is.
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  Speaker 1: Floyd Seiger with me twenty two years homicide detective, an
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  Speaker 1: author of homicide The View from inside the Yellow Tape, Cloyd,
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  Speaker 1: have you seen that on criminal scenes before, where witnesses
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  Speaker 1: definits victims just freeze in the moment.
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  Speaker 6: I have several times. And I've also talked to a
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  Speaker 6: lot of people who've been stabbed and survived and they
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  Speaker 6: said the same thing. They didn't even know they were
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  Speaker 6: being stabbed. They thought they were just being punched. And
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  Speaker 6: you know, fortunately I could talk to some parents of
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  Speaker 6: a young girl that was stabbed to death and tell
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  Speaker 6: them she probably didn't suffer before she died, and that
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  Speaker 6: made it a lot to them because it is. I
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  Speaker 6: hear it all the time. I've heard it over my
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  Speaker 6: entire career. I didn't even know it was being stabbed.
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  Speaker 6: I just thought I was being punished. So I mean,
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  Speaker 6: that is a blessing.
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  Speaker 1: I've heard it too. I have heard that too. Well,
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  Speaker 1: that is what this little girl was saying, that she
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  Speaker 1: didn't feel anything at the beginning.
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  Speaker 5: Listen, do you remember leaving the park to go to
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  Speaker 5: the woods.
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  Speaker 13: They just wanted to go on a walk, and I
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  Speaker 13: didn't think much of it.
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  Speaker 9: It's just a walk.
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  Speaker 13: It's in walk Ashaw, Like what bad stuff happens in
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  Speaker 13: Waukeshawa sounds in Canisa told me to lie on the
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  Speaker 13: ground and like cover myself in like sticks and leaves
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  Speaker 13: and stuff.
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  Speaker 1: But it was.
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  Speaker 5: Really just a trick.
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  Speaker 4: Down.
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  Speaker 11: What did the students was the.
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  Speaker 10: Stand stab, standshad.
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  Speaker 5: When you hear them describe to investigators Aissa telling Morgan
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  Speaker 5: just to do it, I think that the word was globalistic.
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  Speaker 9: Oh, I remember that.
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  Speaker 13: I do remember them chatting right next to me while
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  Speaker 13: I was just laying.
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  Speaker 1: There, stabbed nineteen times and left by her attackers to quote,
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  Speaker 1: bleed out dead in the woods. The shock. Her attackers
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  Speaker 1: are two other twelve year old little girls, the victim
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  Speaker 1: who miraculously survived, her mom says. Doctors claim that they
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  Speaker 1: found one of the stab wounds about an eighth of
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  Speaker 1: an inch from one of her arteries, an eighth of
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  Speaker 1: an inch between life and death. How could two twelve
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  Speaker 1: year old little besties do something like this? Listen to
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  Speaker 1: our friend David Muir with Peyton.
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  Speaker 3: After the stab her nineteen pounds, they encourage her just
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  Speaker 3: to lay down in the woods and rest for what
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  Speaker 3: they really want her.
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  Speaker 5: To do was bleed out in the woods. Do you
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  Speaker 5: remember what you said to them?
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  Speaker 13: I trusted you, and then they told me to lay down,
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  Speaker 13: you'll lose blood slower like we're going to go get help.
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  Speaker 9: Did she trying to get up?
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  Speaker 4: She didn't walk and just dashed breed.
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  Speaker 14: And they told her they were going to go get
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  Speaker 14: her help. But Anissa flat outside.
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  Speaker 9: No, we weren't getting the help. They wanted her to die.
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  Speaker 5: Do you remember the moment they left you?
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  Speaker 13: I think I remember them running away, but I kind
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  Speaker 13: of just laid there for a minute.
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  Speaker 5: You walked out of the woods.
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  Speaker 13: They got up, grabbed a couple of trees for support,
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  Speaker 13: I think, and then just walked until I hit a patch.
• 17:50
  Speaker 5: Of grass where I could lay down.
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  Speaker 11: It's amazing that she had the strength to do that
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  Speaker 11: with the injuries that she had.
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  Speaker 9: When I told her that the.
• 17:58
  Speaker 13: Girls were in custody, it seemed to give her a
• 18:01
  Speaker 13: sense of relief.
• 18:02
  Speaker 14: The girls were ultimately arrested for first agree at ten
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  Speaker 14: Thomas Hide.
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  Speaker 8: Two twelve year old girls had a planned for six
• 18:08
  Speaker 8: months to kill their friends.
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  Speaker 14: You don't often see this with adults, and to have
• 18:12
  Speaker 14: this happen between twelve year olds is absolutely horrifying.
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  Speaker 15: Yeah, where are you sell body?
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  Speaker 11: Now?
• 18:23
  Speaker 13: Okay, I said it was still stop there.
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  Speaker 5: Did you think that she died?
• 18:32
  Speaker 10: Yeah, she is alive.
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  Speaker 9: Okay.
• 18:36
  Speaker 5: Have you ever watched any of those interrogations.
• 18:39
  Speaker 13: I watched a little bit.
• 18:41
  Speaker 5: What was your reaction. It was a little.
• 18:43
  Speaker 13: Shocking to me to see that they had this big,
• 18:47
  Speaker 13: huge plan that they had been working on for months.
• 18:50
  Speaker 1: A big, huge plan they had been working on for months.
• 18:54
  Speaker 1: A little girl has to spend the night birthday party
• 18:57
  Speaker 1: where their other twelve year old friends. The three of
• 19:00
  Speaker 1: them go for a walk and the two friends, Markan
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  Speaker 1: Guyser and Anissa Weir, execute a long planned scheme to
• 19:09
  Speaker 1: murder Peyton Lawn are just twelve years old, also known
• 19:13
  Speaker 1: as Bella. You were hearing our friend David Murror twenty
• 19:17
  Speaker 1: twenty speaking a huge plan that they had for months.
• 19:23
  Speaker 1: But why listen?
• 19:25
  Speaker 5: This is where the story takes another turn to a
• 19:29
  Speaker 5: fictional character on the internet.
• 19:32
  Speaker 14: So they called the Creaming about Shaki expluence like for
• 19:38
  Speaker 14: storm Scario.
• 19:41
  Speaker 9: And there's one of the called PM Who's wonder is He's.
• 19:50
  Speaker 4: Children?
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  Speaker 14: That is a Welsh like explaining generals from his back
• 20:04
  Speaker 14: children Anissa explained to me that to prove yourself worthy
• 20:08
  Speaker 14: to slender you would have to kill somebody.
• 20:13
  Speaker 1: You have to kill someone to go live with slender Man.
• 20:17
  Speaker 1: You're hearing our friend David Murrror and detectives during the
• 20:21
  Speaker 1: investigation of the attempt to stab little twelve year old
• 20:26
  Speaker 1: Bella dead. Crime Stories with Nancy Grace the slender Man
• 20:42
  Speaker 1: stab or set to be released. Are you kidding? This
• 20:45
  Speaker 1: is after psychiatrists argue against her release, feeling she still
• 20:51
  Speaker 1: poses a threat to society. One shrink even taking the
• 20:55
  Speaker 1: stand to state that Geyser was actually faking psychotic symptoms
• 21:00
  Speaker 1: at the time of the stabbing and that if she
• 21:02
  Speaker 1: is currently released, she presents a significant risk of bodily
• 21:07
  Speaker 1: harm to herself and others. Will she go back and
• 21:11
  Speaker 1: seek out the victim? What happened at the time of
• 21:14
  Speaker 1: the stabbing? Levipage with me crime online dot com investigative
• 21:18
  Speaker 1: journalist who is slender Man?
• 21:22
  Speaker 10: So this is a fictional character, Nancy that is very
• 21:25
  Speaker 10: prevalent in creepy pasta communities and creepy pasta communities is
• 21:30
  Speaker 10: like horror stories that people tell on forums like Reddit.
• 21:35
  Speaker 10: It's very popular there and this is a guy that
• 21:37
  Speaker 10: someone drew an artist and he has a featureless face.
• 21:42
  Speaker 10: He's tall, thin, He's often wearing a suit. He looks
• 21:45
  Speaker 10: very ghost like, and he likes to stalk and traumatize
• 21:50
  Speaker 10: children in these creepy pasta stories. He also uses mind
• 21:54
  Speaker 10: control to tell them what to do. And apparently Morgan
• 21:58
  Speaker 10: Geyser was obsessed with slender Man. When law enforcement got
• 22:02
  Speaker 10: a search warrant for her room, they found drawings of
• 22:06
  Speaker 10: slender Man. She had researched him on the internet, had
• 22:09
  Speaker 10: read creepy pasta stories about him. And they also found
• 22:14
  Speaker 10: that she had been thinking about murder for a long time,
• 22:17
  Speaker 10: because months in advance of this attack, she had searched
• 22:22
  Speaker 10: on the internet how to get away with murder.
• 22:24
  Speaker 1: Well, there's everything you need to show premeditation. To defense
• 22:28
  Speaker 1: attorney Jason Oceans, the girls tell police they were convinced
• 22:34
  Speaker 1: to murder their little friend Peyton Lautner known as Bella
• 22:38
  Speaker 1: by slender Man. Slender Man's not real, Jason, He's fictional.
• 22:43
  Speaker 1: And how can both girls have the same psychiatric delusion
• 22:49
  Speaker 1: at the same time. That's the same thing I keep
• 22:51
  Speaker 1: talking about all of Epstein's guards in the jail. How
• 22:54
  Speaker 1: can they all fall asleep at the same time and
• 22:58
  Speaker 1: leave him to be found dead. How can two little
• 23:01
  Speaker 1: girls have the same psychiatric break with reality? This was
• 23:06
  Speaker 1: just their excuse for murdering their little friend. They are murderers, Nancy.
• 23:13
  Speaker 3: I analogize this type of you know, mind control that
• 23:20
  Speaker 3: the young lady placed in this slender man character to
• 23:24
  Speaker 3: you know, Jim Jones, are any cult or David koresh
• 23:28
  Speaker 3: where people are willing not only to sacrifice themselves but
• 23:32
  Speaker 3: their children in belief. And those are adults, right, brain
• 23:35
  Speaker 3: formed out all the way by twenty two, right, and
• 23:38
  Speaker 3: these are adults with children, And you would think, my god,
• 23:41
  Speaker 3: you know, sacrifice yourself, how do you do your children?
• 23:44
  Speaker 3: It is It does shock the conscience that this happened,
• 23:50
  Speaker 3: and clearly from you know, monitoring your children and you know,
• 23:56
  Speaker 3: creepy pasta stories as they're creepy with fun. Noticing some
• 24:01
  Speaker 3: differences in your children with being withdrawn or just something
• 24:06
  Speaker 3: more sinister is the responsibility of parenting. You can't just
• 24:10
  Speaker 3: be disengaged when your child has been having seemingly these thoughts,
• 24:16
  Speaker 3: murderous thoughts for so long. You've got to see a
• 24:19
  Speaker 3: change in your child. You just can't be an absentee parent.
• 24:22
  Speaker 1: What about it, Doctor Daniel Bober joining me forensics psychiatrists
• 24:26
  Speaker 1: out of the Florida jurisdiction. Apparently the parents knew nothing,
• 24:29
  Speaker 1: had no idea anything was going on with their children.
• 24:33
  Speaker 12: Yeah, Nancy, you see this a lot. For example, I
• 24:35
  Speaker 12: remember during the Columbine shootings, parents had no idea that
• 24:40
  Speaker 12: Cleebold and Harris were stockpiling weapons in their own garage. Like,
• 24:44
  Speaker 12: they never bothered to check that there were weapons being
• 24:46
  Speaker 12: stockpiled in their garage. So, unfortunately, this is something that
• 24:50
  Speaker 12: happens with parents. They just kind of give their kids
• 24:53
  Speaker 12: these electronic babysitters like cell phones, and they're not really
• 24:57
  Speaker 12: paying attention to what's going on. But in regard cards
• 25:00
  Speaker 12: to what you said before, yes, of course the kids
• 25:02
  Speaker 12: did not have the same delusion. But sometimes when you
• 25:05
  Speaker 12: get two kids together and one of them has a
• 25:08
  Speaker 12: more dominant personality and more dominant traits, they will lead
• 25:12
  Speaker 12: the weaker kid to go along with their plan, even
• 25:16
  Speaker 12: though it's not something they would have done on their own.
• 25:18
  Speaker 1: Take a listen to this.
• 25:19
  Speaker 14: I've never gone into an interview so blind as I
• 25:22
  Speaker 14: have in this one. I thought that maybe this was
• 25:24
  Speaker 14: all about a boy.
• 25:25
  Speaker 9: This is a fight about a boy.
• 25:26
  Speaker 1: I know what happened, and I.
• 25:28
  Speaker 14: Don't know, and I need to know that.
• 25:33
  Speaker 8: Okay, we didn't know what these girls were going to
• 25:36
  Speaker 8: tell us what you stand her?
• 25:53
  Speaker 14: My thought was, why would she do this?
• 26:03
  Speaker 9: Who the heck is slender Man?
• 26:08
  Speaker 15: The road that she was located on was Big Bend Road.
• 26:11
  Speaker 5: At the dead end of.
• 26:12
  Speaker 15: That Peyton wasn't moving a whole lot. As I approached her,
• 26:18
  Speaker 15: I said, Hi, I am Officer Dan.
• 26:19
  Speaker 9: Are you okay?
• 26:20
  Speaker 15: And she said no, And I said, okay, help is
• 26:25
  Speaker 15: on the way. Just stay right where you are.
• 26:27
  Speaker 5: And as I got.
• 26:27
  Speaker 15: Closer, I started to see a little bit more blood,
• 26:30
  Speaker 15: and the closer I got, the more.
• 26:32
  Speaker 5: Blood I saw. Somehow she'd been able to pull herself
• 26:34
  Speaker 5: out of those woods, and in another moment of strength,
• 26:38
  Speaker 5: she was able to communicate with him.
• 26:40
  Speaker 15: I asked her who did this, and she told me
• 26:43
  Speaker 15: her friend Morgan. I then asked her where did this happen,
• 26:48
  Speaker 15: and she told me that happened in the woods.
• 26:52
  Speaker 5: She was the first one to reveal that it was Morgan,
• 26:55
  Speaker 5: her best friend, who was behind this.
• 26:56
  Speaker 1: You're hearing Officer Dan Clain speaking with twenty twenty David
• 27:00
  Speaker 1: Muir Levi Page Crime Online dot Com investigative reporter Levi
• 27:05
  Speaker 1: when the search warrant was executed on Geyser and Where's
• 27:09
  Speaker 1: Homes what was found?
• 27:11
  Speaker 10: So I mentioned about the Internet searches on Morgan's computer
• 27:15
  Speaker 10: that said how to get away with murder. They had
• 27:18
  Speaker 10: also found mutilated dolls in her room that had the
• 27:22
  Speaker 10: body parts cut off of them.
• 27:25
  Speaker 1: Oh, Dear Lord in heaven. Did Joseph Scott Morgan forensics expert,
• 27:29
  Speaker 1: professor of forensics, an author of Blood Beneath My Feet
• 27:33
  Speaker 1: on Amazon. Joseph Scott Morgan, this is right up your alley,
• 27:37
  Speaker 1: speaking of forensics.
• 27:38
  Speaker 11: Uh. Yeah, well, Nancy, let me go to something real
• 27:41
  Speaker 11: quick that you know, we've talked about this, this obsession
• 27:44
  Speaker 11: that these girls have with slender Man, and they're doing
• 27:48
  Speaker 11: his bidding and living in this fantastical world where they're
• 27:53
  Speaker 11: you know, they've got to make some kind of I
• 27:55
  Speaker 11: don't know, sacrifice this guy. Let me tell you what's
• 27:57
  Speaker 11: based in reality. What's based in reality is this girl
• 28:01
  Speaker 11: was subject to being stabbed by five a blade of
• 28:05
  Speaker 11: five inches in lengthd and she stabbed nineteen times. Nancy.
• 28:09
  Speaker 11: Her liver was actually clipped. It passed through her pancreas
• 28:13
  Speaker 11: it passed through her diaphragm, and she was very close
• 28:16
  Speaker 11: to dying. You know, I did a calculation just a
• 28:19
  Speaker 11: moment ago. Let's just say that she only weighed eighty
• 28:22
  Speaker 11: pounds twelve years old. You know, she's gotten less than
• 28:26
  Speaker 11: a gallon of blood in her body. It is an
• 28:28
  Speaker 11: absolute miracle that she survived. And I'm just talking about
• 28:32
  Speaker 11: the organs, not to mention all the little peripheral stab
• 28:35
  Speaker 11: wounds that she sustained. She had an angel on her
• 28:38
  Speaker 11: shoulder at that time.
• 28:39
  Speaker 1: The injuries done to this twelve year old little girl
• 28:43
  Speaker 1: are overwhelming. But listen to this. After Weird and guys
• 28:48
  Speaker 1: are tell detectives they had to kill Bella to become
• 28:52
  Speaker 1: Slenderman's servants. We now know that when the jury decided
• 28:58
  Speaker 1: the little girls were only insane. We're met had a
• 29:02
  Speaker 1: mental defect. This means that every six months they can
• 29:07
  Speaker 1: petition the court to be released. Every six months. According
• 29:14
  Speaker 1: to the victim's mom, she says, the potential release of
• 29:19
  Speaker 1: an assailant that methodically planned and executed an attack on
• 29:23
  Speaker 1: our little girl where she was stabbed nineteen times, put
• 29:27
  Speaker 1: the community in our family at risk.
• 29:30
  Speaker 10: They pleaded guilty. Anissa Weir took a plea deal and
• 29:35
  Speaker 10: she pled pleaded guilty to a lesser charge of attempted
• 29:39
  Speaker 10: second degree intentional homicide. As part of her deal, a
• 29:43
  Speaker 10: jury would hear her insanity defense. Then they were going
• 29:47
  Speaker 10: to decide on whether or not she would be responsible
• 29:50
  Speaker 10: and sent to prison. Are not guilty by a reason
• 29:54
  Speaker 10: of a mental defect and sent to a mental institution.
• 29:57
  Speaker 10: They wanted to send her to a mental institute so
• 30:00
  Speaker 10: she didn't get sent to prison. In twenty seventeen, a
• 30:04
  Speaker 10: jury found her not guilty by reason of a mental
• 30:07
  Speaker 10: disease or defect and was sentenced to a twenty five
• 30:11
  Speaker 10: year commitment into a state institution. And Morgan Geyser's lawyers
• 30:17
  Speaker 10: also made a similar deal. She pleaded guilty to attempted
• 30:21
  Speaker 10: first degree intentional homicide and prosecutors agreed as part of
• 30:25
  Speaker 10: this deal not to challenge her insanity defense, and she
• 30:28
  Speaker 10: was sentenced to forty years in a mental institution.
• 30:32
  Speaker 1: Lloyd Steiger twenty two years homicide detective, author of homicide
• 30:37
  Speaker 1: the v from inside the Yellow Tape. When you commit
• 30:41
  Speaker 1: a murder at age twelve, or in this case, attempted murder,
• 30:46
  Speaker 1: that's that's a tough sell to be released back out
• 30:49
  Speaker 1: into the community, because if you are homicidal at that age,
• 30:53
  Speaker 1: what are you going to be like at twenty one.
• 30:55
  Speaker 6: Yeah, that's just a question. I mean, it's really puts
• 30:57
  Speaker 6: people at risk. But first of all, I also going
• 30:59
  Speaker 6: to say at this police department, which is a relatively
• 31:02
  Speaker 6: small police apartment, probably not very experienced in their homicide,
• 31:05
  Speaker 6: they did a great job from the patrol officer getting
• 31:07
  Speaker 6: there asking appropriate questions, and great job by both the
• 31:10
  Speaker 6: detectives and their interviews and the techniques they use, and
• 31:13
  Speaker 6: the casualness and the setting of the room. So I mean,
• 31:16
  Speaker 6: you know, people from big cities New York, Los Angeles,
• 31:19
  Speaker 6: they don't expect to have a case like this, But
• 31:22
  Speaker 6: when it happens in a suburban, smaller town, you think
• 31:26
  Speaker 6: they'd be overwhelmed, but they stepped to the plate. They's
• 31:30
  Speaker 6: just a terrible case all the way around.
• 31:31
  Speaker 1: Take a listen to Peyton, the victim Olson and Isbelle
• 31:35
  Speaker 1: as she speaks out.
• 31:36
  Speaker 5: Have you ever watched any of those interrogations.
• 31:39
  Speaker 9: I watched a little bit.
• 31:41
  Speaker 5: What was your reaction.
• 31:42
  Speaker 13: It was a little shocking to me to see that
• 31:45
  Speaker 13: they had this big, huge, plan that they had been
• 31:49
  Speaker 13: working on for months.
• 31:50
  Speaker 1: To doctor Daniel Bober, forensic psychiatrist joining us, what would
• 31:55
  Speaker 1: be the prospects of these two girls would be killers
• 31:59
  Speaker 1: ever or becoming anything less than a threat if they
• 32:06
  Speaker 1: are released?
• 32:07
  Speaker 12: Nancy, I totally agree with you. I'm sorry I strike that.
• 32:11
  Speaker 12: I totally disagree with you. The brain of a twelve
• 32:13
  Speaker 12: year old.
• 32:14
  Speaker 1: I believe that's what she called a Freudian slip.
• 32:16
  Speaker 9: But go ahead.
• 32:17
  Speaker 12: The brain of a twelve year old is just not
• 32:19
  Speaker 12: the brain of a twenty five year old, and the
• 32:20
  Speaker 12: science is not consistent with what you guys are saying.
• 32:24
  Speaker 12: For example, children who display what we call conduct disorder behavior,
• 32:28
  Speaker 12: two thirds of them do not go on, I repeat,
• 32:31
  Speaker 12: do not go on to become antisocial. So a twelve
• 32:34
  Speaker 12: year old committing a murder.
• 32:35
  Speaker 1: Wait a minute, well, did you say conduct disorder.
• 32:38
  Speaker 12: It's what we call conduct disorder. It's sort of the forerunner.
• 32:41
  Speaker 1: Does that include stabbing deaths?
• 32:44
  Speaker 12: I agree that a stabbing.
• 32:46
  Speaker 1: I mean you're making a sound like she just threw
• 32:48
  Speaker 1: a tantrument in the floor of target. No, that's not
• 32:50
  Speaker 1: what happened.
• 32:51
  Speaker 12: But that's actually that would actually be more oppositional behavior.
• 32:54
  Speaker 12: But The point I'm trying to make is you can't
• 32:57
  Speaker 12: say that someone who's twelve who commits a murder at
• 33:00
  Speaker 12: twenty five is going to be a menace to society
• 33:02
  Speaker 12: because they are totally different persons and they have a
• 33:05
  Speaker 12: totally different brain at twenty five than they did at
• 33:08
  Speaker 12: age twelve.
• 33:08
  Speaker 1: I do know that what happened has changed Peyton Lawn
• 33:14
  Speaker 1: or the victim's life forever.
• 33:16
  Speaker 5: One of the things I will never forget from this
• 33:19
  Speaker 5: interview with Peyton Lightner all these years later is what
• 33:22
  Speaker 5: she said to me when I asked, what would you
• 33:24
  Speaker 5: say to Morgan Geyser if you saw her today, if
• 33:28
  Speaker 5: she saw this interview, what would you want to say
• 33:30
  Speaker 5: to her?
• 33:32
  Speaker 13: There's a lot that I would want to say to her.
• 33:34
  Speaker 13: I would probably initially thank her, I would say, because
• 33:40
  Speaker 13: of what she did, I have the life I have now,
• 33:43
  Speaker 13: which I really really like it.
• 33:44
  Speaker 5: You do know that when people hear you say I
• 33:47
  Speaker 5: would probably thank her that they're going to be surprised.
• 33:51
  Speaker 13: Yeah, I'm surprised to hear myself say that. Why because
• 33:56
  Speaker 13: I wouldn't think that someone who went through what I
• 33:59
  Speaker 13: did whatever say that. But that's truly how I feel like,
• 34:03
  Speaker 13: without the whole situation.
• 34:05
  Speaker 9: I wouldn't be who I am.
• 34:07
  Speaker 1: Stronger guys are stabbed Peyton across her arms, legs, and torso,
• 34:14
  Speaker 1: hitting multiple major arteries and severing her diaphragm. Guys are
• 34:20
  Speaker 1: did this while we're egged her on. Both girls claim
• 34:24
  Speaker 1: they were motivated by a fictional slender Man, a tall,
• 34:28
  Speaker 1: freaky dude that is a fictional horror character. A shot
• 34:32
  Speaker 1: to the victim and the victim's families when the slender
• 34:35
  Speaker 1: Man stabber is set to be released, you know, sometimes
• 34:40
  Speaker 1: it feels like there is no justice. We wait as
• 34:45
  Speaker 1: the Slender Man stabbing story goes on.
• 34:51
  Speaker 5: Goodbye Friend,