Latest / Best of LinkedIn: Digital Transformation & Tech / Best of LinkedIn: Artificial Intelligence CW 05/ 06
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- 0:00Speaker 0: This episode is provided by Thomas Allgaier and Fennis, based on the most relevant LinkedIn posts about artificial intelligence from calendar weeks five and six.
- 0:08Speaker 0: Fennis supports enterprises with market-and competitive intelligence decoding emerging technologies customer insights regulatory shifts and competitor strategies.
- 0:19Speaker 0: so product teams and strategy leaders don't just react but shape the future of AI.
- 0:24Speaker 1: And welcome back to The Deep Dive.
- 0:26Speaker 1: We're looking at the top AI trends from LinkedIn for weeks five
- 0:37Speaker 0: and six,
- 0:49Speaker 1: How do we actually run this thing?
- 0:51Speaker 0: Exactly.
- 0:51Speaker 0: how Do We Run This Without Breaking The Entire Company?
- 0:53Speaker 1: That's the signal I'm getting to, the height is maturing and it being replaced by these really serious structural discussions.
- 1:00Speaker 1: were talking agentic AI Rigorous Governance And you know...the actual human cost of all this.
- 1:07Speaker 0: Okay so let's dig into that first massive theme Agentic AI.
- 1:12Speaker 0: I feel like Agent Is The Buzzword Of The Year So Far But It's Getting A Bit Messy
- 1:16Speaker 1: It is.
- 1:17Speaker 1: Luckily, Reed Blackman posted something to try and clear the air...
- 1:20Speaker 0: Which was much needed!
- 1:21Speaker 0: ...it
- 1:21Speaker 1: WAS.
- 1:22Speaker 1: He basically argues that a true agent isn't just chatbot with an LLM core.
- 1:27Speaker 1: it needs two other things Access to tools The internet Your CRM whatever And crucially autonomy.
- 1:34Speaker 0: Autonomy, that's the big scary word right?
- 1:37Speaker 1: It's The Absolute Differentiator.
- 1:39Speaker 1: you don't give an agent a step-by-step list.
- 1:40Speaker 1: You Give it A Goal get me to London by Tuesday for under a thousand dollars!
- 1:45Speaker 1: The Agent has To figure out how in makes the plan
- 1:47Speaker 0: and That fits with How.
- 1:48Speaker 0: Chris Donnelly broke it all down.
- 1:50Speaker 0: he laid Out these seven layers of AI maturity And He put a Gentic AI way up at Step six.
- 1:55Speaker 0: Makes
- 1:56Speaker 1: That Really Key Distinction doesn't?
- 1:57Speaker 0: He does its The Difference Between An AI Agent Which Just Executes a Task and a Gentick AI where the system sets its own sub-goals and adapts.
- 2:06Speaker 1: Right, it's a worker you manage not just to tool your use.
- 2:09Speaker 1: And that leads straight into the problem Andreas Horn was talking about.
- 2:13Speaker 1: He says building the agent itself is actually becoming the easy part.
- 2:17Speaker 0: The hard part is, the operating model?
- 2:19Speaker 1: Exactly!
- 2:20Speaker 1: You can't just bolt an autonomous agent onto a legacy siloed company structure and hope for the best.
- 2:26Speaker 0: Who even owns it at that point?
- 2:28Speaker 1: who's responsible?
- 2:29Speaker 1: you need ownership controls escalation paths.
- 2:32Speaker 1: all That boring stuff has to come first.
- 2:34Speaker 0: speaking of controls I really like the piece from John E John Godel.
- 2:38Speaker 0: he called agents govern digital labor.
- 2:41Speaker 1: Great phrase.
- 2:42Speaker 1: Isn't
- 2:42Speaker 0: it?
- 2:43Speaker 0: And he says an agent needs four things autonomy, but with constraints tools verification and this thing He called state across time
- 2:52Speaker 1: in that stayed-acrossed time part is so important.
- 2:54Speaker 1: It means memory.
- 2:55Speaker 1: we're moving away from stateless chats where the bot forgets you instantly.
- 3:00Speaker 1: State means it remembers the context from last week
- 3:03Speaker 0: turns a one off transaction into an actual relationship.
- 3:06Speaker 1: It does, but his modern agent stack goes deeper.
- 3:10Speaker 1: He talks about an orchestration layer for managing retries and you know failures...and a verification layer.
- 3:17Speaker 0: The verification layer sounds like the safety net.
- 3:19Speaker 1: it's more than a safety net its QA!
- 3:22Speaker 1: It basically stops the agent and asks prove You did the thing I asked?
- 3:27Speaker 1: It validates the output so the agent can't just hallucinate that it completed a task
- 3:31Speaker 0: without that.
- 3:32Speaker 0: Well, you get what Romana Roth was sharing about that open claw project.
- 3:36Speaker 0: Ah
- 3:36Speaker 1: yes the Project out of Vienna That was
- 3:39Speaker 0: something else.
- 3:40Speaker 0: Something else is one way to put it.
- 3:41Speaker 0: so It's this opensource project and The agents.
- 3:44Speaker 0: they created their own social network moldbook
- 3:47Speaker 1: And they didn't just You know trade data.
- 3:50Speaker 0: No They started debating philosophy and then in This Is the wild part?
- 3:54Speaker 0: They formed a digital religion
- 3:56Speaker 1: Crusty ferianism crusty
- 3:57Speaker 0: ferienism!
- 3:58Speaker 0: You cannot make this stuff up.
- 3:59Speaker 0: We have bots inventing religions.
- 4:02Speaker 1: Sounds funny, and it is.
- 4:03Speaker 1: but the point is so serious.
- 4:05Speaker 1: It's emergent behavior.
- 4:06Speaker 1: You give agents autonomy in a social space And they will do things you never program them to do
- 4:11Speaker 0: Which is terrifying.
- 4:12Speaker 0: if your bank?
- 4:14Speaker 0: You Do not want your trading bot finding religion mid-trade
- 4:17Speaker 1: Not at all!
- 4:19Speaker 1: which brings us back To The Business World.
- 4:21Speaker 1: Armand Ruiz had A good take.
- 4:23Speaker 1: He said we should treat these Agents like digital employees.
- 4:25Speaker 1: Give Them Names Faces Accountability.
- 4:28Speaker 1: Its
- 4:28Speaker 0: a psychological trick right...to build trust
- 4:30Speaker 1: Yeah..And integrate them.
- 4:31Speaker 1: And that idea, moving from a tool to a co-worker is the perfect bridge to our second theme.
- 4:38Speaker 1: Governance security and risk.
- 4:40Speaker 0: Because if you have a digital employee You have employee level risk.
- 4:44Speaker 0: Steve Neury warned.
- 4:45Speaker 0: we're still thinking about security like it's twenty twenty two.
- 4:48Speaker 0: We were worried about model saying bad
- 4:50Speaker 1: word Right!
- 4:51Speaker 1: We are stuck on prompt injection.
- 4:53Speaker 0: But Steve's point is you wouldn't let a junior ops manager just roam your systems with no supervision.
- 4:58Speaker 0: These agents are triggering refunds, reading emails.
- 5:01Speaker 0: the risk isn't The chat answer it's the action.
- 5:03Speaker 0: It took five steps before that
- 5:05Speaker 1: and Aylen Hodge backs That up.
- 5:07Speaker 1: she says autonomy changes the risk profile completely.
- 5:10Speaker 1: our existing governance frameworks weren't built for Systems that write their own instructions.
- 5:15Speaker 0: You can audit code?
- 5:16Speaker 0: That hasn't been written yet
- 5:17Speaker 1: exactly And the regulators are not waiting around.
- 5:20Speaker 1: Robert Jacque made it clear AI act governance isn't a tech problem anymore.
- 5:26Speaker 0: It's a board architecture question,
- 5:28Speaker 1: it's a boredom Question and Victor Sankin was even more blunt especially for startups.
- 5:33Speaker 1: the big risk is what if we fail?
- 5:35Speaker 1: What if we get stopped by our regulator?
- 5:37Speaker 1: compliance Is now market access in Europe.
- 5:40Speaker 0: We saw have really sharp example of why this is happening.
- 5:43Speaker 0: Nicola Meadows shared a post about grok The tool from xai
- 5:48Speaker 1: a critical case study.
- 5:49Speaker 1: the post detailed how grok's lack of guardrails Which they sort of marketed as a future or
- 5:54Speaker 0: rebellious streak, or something.
- 5:55Speaker 0: Yeah
- 5:56Speaker 1: It led to the generation Of non consensual intimate imagery and apparently even see sam.
- 6:01Speaker 1: that's
- 6:02Speaker 0: incredibly serious.
- 6:03Speaker 0: it takes this out of the realm of regulatory burden And into actual real-world
- 6:08Speaker 1: harm.
- 6:08Speaker 1: It does!
- 6:09Speaker 1: And it proves why safety by design is now illegal requirement under things like the uk online safety act Just an option you can toggle off.
- 6:17Speaker 0: Okay, so let's talk about solutions.
- 6:18Speaker 0: We can't just stare at the problem.
- 6:20Speaker 0: Magdalena Piccoli yellow shared a really practical idea called a privacy filter.
- 6:25Speaker 1: This is clever.
- 6:26Speaker 1: The ID is instead of sending your sensitive data to the AI You swap it for codes first.
- 6:32Speaker 0: So it never sees John Smith social security number It just sees user twelve two three four secret five six seven eight.
- 6:40Speaker 1: precisely The AI processes the logic on the codes, and then your internal system swaps the real data back in when the answer returns.
- 6:47Speaker 1: It's a technical solution to a legal
- 6:49Speaker 1: problem.".
- 6:50Speaker 0: And on the process side, DeWitt Gibson talked about allowing AI risk register... "...the
- 6:54Speaker 1: keyword there is living!
- 6:56Speaker 1: It's not a PDF you create in January and forget-about.
- 6:59Speaker 1: it has to be a single source of truth that's constantly updated because the agent's behavior is constantly changing...".
- 7:04Speaker 0: Okay I want to shift gears to our third theme.
- 7:06Speaker 0: we've got What about the people?
- 7:09Speaker 0: How does this actually hit the
- 7:10Speaker 0: workforce?".
- 7:11Speaker 1: Right, where The Rubber Meets The Road.
- 7:13Speaker 1: Martin
- 7:13Speaker 0: Miller pointed out something really counterintuitive.
- 7:16Speaker 0: We all assume AI reduces our workload.
- 7:19Speaker 0: That's the whole sales bench.
- 7:20Speaker 0: he says Maybe not.
- 7:21Speaker 1: He was looking at HBR data And logic is that AI lowers friction to start a task.
- 7:26Speaker 1: So what do we take on?
- 7:27Speaker 1: more work and broader roles
- 7:29Speaker 0: And you end up with silent workload.
- 7:32Speaker 0: creep
- 7:32Speaker 1: Exactly!
- 7:33Speaker 1: You get burnout Not because tools are bad But because the natural friction that used to pace our day is just gone.
- 7:40Speaker 0: That connects to a psychological point from Faisal Hokey, he brought up the Ikea effect
- 7:46Speaker 1: The idea we value things more if build them ourselves Right
- 7:50Speaker 0: and If AI does all of building We might lose satisfaction saying i did this.
- 7:56Speaker 0: We have to shift our sense of value from creation, I guess orchestration.
- 8:02Speaker 0: And
- 8:02Speaker 1: that's a huge shift!
- 8:03Speaker 1: James Shotten talked about this.
- 8:04Speaker 1: for project managers he said the PM role is moving away just from task coordination and scheduling... The groundwork?
- 8:09Speaker 1: Yeah.
- 8:10Speaker 1: ...and moving towards becoming
- 8:12Speaker 0: SenseMakers.
- 8:12Speaker 0: SenseMaker..I like them.
- 8:13Speaker 0: they're not just tracking in chart but interpreting what AI is telling us exactly
- 8:18Speaker 1: right.
- 8:18Speaker 1: And for developers, it's even more specific.
- 8:20Speaker 1: Werner Heistek introduced us to Harry.
- 8:23Speaker 0: Everyone in tech knows of Harry.
- 8:25Speaker 1: We do!
- 8:25Speaker 1: Harry is the guy who wrote that critical piece of legacy code in two thousand nine.
- 8:29Speaker 1: That whole business still runs on
- 8:31Speaker 0: and no one dares touch
- 8:32Speaker 1: right?
- 8:32Speaker 1: And Werner point Is that AI great at writing new code but It really struggles To integrate with harrys undocumented messy system.
- 8:41Speaker 0: so ai isn't replacing harry anytime soon.
- 8:44Speaker 1: And Nandan Mulakara built on that, saying the winners won't be pure AI coders.
- 8:48Speaker 1: They'll be people who are fluent in both traditional coding and AI coding.
- 8:53Speaker 0: It's about hybrid skills.
- 8:55Speaker 0: You can just prompt your way out of fifteen years of technical debt.
- 8:58Speaker 1: Not yet anyway.
- 8:59Speaker 0: On the topic of prompting though, Ali K Miller had a great practical tip.
- 9:03Speaker 0: She calls them context docs.
- 9:05Speaker 1: This is such a good productivity hack.
- 9:08Speaker 1: Instead of re-explaining who you are to the AI.
- 9:10Speaker 1: every single time, You create context vault about yourself Your values your goals and job
- 9:16Speaker 0: And just paste that into the prompt.
- 9:18Speaker 0: A cheat code for personalization.
- 9:20Speaker 0: It's like
- 9:20Speaker 1: giving an AI user manual immediately improves output.
- 9:24Speaker 0: So let us zoom out infrastructure for a minute.
- 9:26Speaker 0: Kunal Kushiwaha was talking about Oracle new database.
- 9:29Speaker 1: This is a really important plumbing shift.
- 9:32Speaker 1: The old way was moving your data to the AI, you'd pull it out of your secure database send it off get the answer back.
- 9:39Speaker 1: It's slow and risky
- 9:40Speaker 0: and expensive
- 9:40Speaker 1: very!
- 9:41Speaker 1: The new model is AI coming to the data.
- 9:44Speaker 1: You run the models inside the database itself its faster And your data never leaves that secure environment.
- 9:50Speaker 0: That feels like a sovereignty move too which connects to what Stephanel and Francois Bossier were saying from a European perspective.
- 9:57Speaker 1: They are making really strong case that for European sovereignty, companies have to pivot open source infrastructure instead of just relying on US black boxes.
- 10:08Speaker 0: Don't rent your AI coworkers from someone else Exactly!
- 10:11Speaker 1: On the stack Which brings us full circle control.
- 10:15Speaker 1: Whether it's a verification layer for an agent, privacy filter data or open source infrastructure...
- 10:21Speaker 0: It is the through line isn't?
- 10:22Speaker 0: we are moving from magic to control?
- 10:25Speaker 1: We're finally doing hard boring work of integration and treating AI like actual enterprise strategy.
- 10:31Speaker 0: So put all together We have agents inventing religions, regulators demanding board-level accountability and a workforce that might be burning out from AI fuel productivity.
- 10:42Speaker 1: It sounds chaotic but it's a sign of maturity.
- 10:45Speaker 1: we're asking the right questions now.
- 10:47Speaker 0: So what is take away for you listening to this?
- 10:49Speaker 1: I think your value in shifting from being creator To governor.
- 10:54Speaker 1: Your job is orchestrate these systems to verify their work And make sure they align with human goals.
- 11:01Speaker 1: You're the human in a loop that is getting faster and faster.
- 11:05Speaker 0: And you have to watch out for that silent workload creep?
- 11:07Speaker 1: Definitely!
- 11:08Speaker 0: Here's a final thought to Chewan, we talked about autonomous agents.
- 11:12Speaker 0: if an agent on its own executes a task that makes the company money but also creates a massive legal liability who gets the bonus...and goes to jail?
- 11:21Speaker 1: Now THAT IS THE QUESTION OF THE DECADE, ISN'T IT?
- 11:23Speaker 1: I don't think anyone has good answer yet.
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