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The Rita Panahi Show | 22 May · The Rita Panahi Show

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  Speaker 1: On scoring US Australia. It's the Reader Panehy Show.
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  Speaker 2: Good evening and welcome to the Reader Panehy Show. Coming
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  Speaker 2: up tonight. The Victorian government refuses to rule out reparations
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  Speaker 2: in its treaty negotiations.
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  Speaker 3: Jewish students quitting.
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  Speaker 2: Their University of Melbourne courses in response to heighten anti
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  Speaker 2: Semitism on campus. The Great Douglas Murray joins me shortly
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  Speaker 2: and he has a message for the Prime Minister and
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  Speaker 2: the Foreign Minister, Penny Wong.
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  Speaker 3: You don't want to miss that. That comes after Penny Wong,
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  Speaker 3: through a department.
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  Speaker 2: Endorsed the extraordinary ICC decision to seek the arrest of
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  Speaker 2: Israeli Prime Minister Benjamin Nettan Yahoo.
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  Speaker 3: M Horowitz with the latest from.
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  Speaker 2: The US and as always will bring you lefties losing
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  Speaker 2: it tonight it's an ABC and MSNBC extravaganza.
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  Speaker 4: Stop the hammering out there.
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  Speaker 5: Who's got a hammer?
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  Speaker 6: Where is it?
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  Speaker 4: Where's the hammer is it? I'm the go up on
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  Speaker 4: the other floor. Somebody go up there and stop the hammering.
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  Speaker 4: Stop the hammering.
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  Speaker 2: Joining me now is the Deputy Executive Director of the
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  Speaker 2: Institute of Public Affairs, Daniel Wild. Daniel let's talk about
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  Speaker 2: the Victorian Labor Party. They've been in power for so long,
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  Speaker 2: seen so strong, but there's a poll out today in
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  Speaker 2: the Age showing that they are no longer heading the
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  Speaker 2: Liberals by wide margin.
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  Speaker 3: In fact, they're trailing.
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  Speaker 2: This is according to the latest Resolved Strategic poll which
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  Speaker 2: shows the Allen government is at twenty eight percent, an
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  Speaker 2: eleven point decline since Stan Andrews resigned as premier and
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  Speaker 2: Justinto Allen took over, the coalition sits at thirty seven percent.
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  Speaker 3: That's a nine point lead Dan.
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  Speaker 2: If this poll is accurate, then could John Pursuto, Puller
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  Speaker 2: Stephen Bradbury.
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  Speaker 7: Well, look, I think it's certainly possible the Liberals Nationals
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  Speaker 7: could win. The government is declining and rapidly and the
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  Speaker 7: reason for that is the economic pain that is being
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  Speaker 7: inflicted upon Victorians. We know their budget spending has grown
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  Speaker 7: at half the rate as the economy, or the economy
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  Speaker 7: is half the rate of spending, and that's.
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  Speaker 8: Why debt is going up.
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  Speaker 7: Victorians are also, i think bitterly disappointed at what happened
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  Speaker 7: during COVID and the lack of political accountability there, and
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  Speaker 7: then it's just becoming a reality that as we see
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  Speaker 7: these projects that aren't getting done on time, that are
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  Speaker 7: over budget, that businesses are leaving, that the pain is
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  Speaker 7: starting to be felt, and that's why the numbers are
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  Speaker 7: going down.
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  Speaker 2: And we had Victorians, the majority of them vote know
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  Speaker 2: in the race based referendum. But the state government is
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  Speaker 2: pressing ahead with a treaty, and the Herald Sun reports
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  Speaker 2: so the Allen government has refused to rule out reparations
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  Speaker 2: or giving compulsorily acquired private.
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  Speaker 3: Property to indigenous groups.
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  Speaker 2: Minister for Jobs and Industry, Women and Treaty and First
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  Speaker 2: People's Natalie Hutchins said, after two hundred years colonization, where
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  Speaker 2: this state took away lands in the settlement, murdered people
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  Speaker 2: and took away culture and language, we're not going to
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  Speaker 2: be ruling anything in or out as we go to
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  Speaker 2: the negotiation table in regards to treaty. Dan I wrote
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  Speaker 2: about this in today's Herald's son This is the sort
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  Speaker 2: of undergraduate neo Marxist retric you'd expect to hear at
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  Speaker 2: a student rally, not coming from a senior minister in
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  Speaker 2: a state government.
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  Speaker 8: Well, that's right.
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  Speaker 7: Victorians don't want this and Victorias don't support this. As
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  Speaker 7: you rightly say they voted no to the voice nationwide,
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  Speaker 7: a sixty percent no vote, including forty percent of labor.
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  Speaker 8: Voters who voted no.
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  Speaker 7: A treaty and potential reparations are far worse than would
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  Speaker 7: have voiced done.
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  Speaker 2: If we had a referendum on treaty, it wouldn't have
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  Speaker 2: got ten percent, let alone thirty nine percent that the
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  Speaker 2: Constitutional recognition got. So this is incredible that the arrogance
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  Speaker 2: to press ahead and to have the Minister say we're
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  Speaker 2: not ruling anything out, not even compulsorily quite private property
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  Speaker 2: being handed over.
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  Speaker 7: Yeah, what the Coalition needs to do at state level
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  Speaker 7: is to build upon its growing electoral success or at
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  Speaker 7: least in the polls, by muscling up to this weak,
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  Speaker 7: divisive Labor government. I believe only Tim Smith spoke out
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  Speaker 7: against the treaty at the time. Now they're opposed to it,
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  Speaker 7: but it's gone on for too long and they really
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  Speaker 7: need to speak up on behalf of mainstream Victorians who
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  Speaker 7: are saying I'm going backwards and you're going to be
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  Speaker 7: giving massive handouts to one group based on race and
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  Speaker 7: won't rule out compulsory acquisition is extraordinary.
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  Speaker 2: Oh absolutely, And we've got so many of these neo
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  Speaker 2: Marxist activists in senior roles in state labor, people who
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  Speaker 2: have never worked outside of the union movement or the
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  Speaker 2: Labor Party. And I guess it shouldn't be a surprise
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  Speaker 2: we're in the sort of debt that we're in in
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  Speaker 2: this state, record amounts of debt, and vig labor also
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  Speaker 2: losing favor with frontline workers they cheered on so enthusiastically
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  Speaker 2: during the record breaking lockdowns we had here. The state
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  Speaker 2: can't afford pay rises demanded by nurses, paramedics, police teachers,
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  Speaker 2: and fire fighters.
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  Speaker 3: Dan, we've got more than two hundred and fifty thousand.
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  Speaker 2: Workers who are effectively at war with the Allen government
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  Speaker 2: right now.
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  Speaker 7: Well, look, this is what happens when the economy goes down.
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  Speaker 7: You can't pay your bills. And now we're starting to
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  Speaker 7: see that. We all knew this day was going to come.
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  Speaker 7: We've been saying for years that there will come a
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  Speaker 7: point where the Victorian government cannot afford to deliver the
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  Speaker 7: services the Victorians need.
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  Speaker 8: We are now seeing that.
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  Speaker 7: And these are the real world consequences of fiscal and
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  Speaker 7: economic mismanagement. It's not just numbers on a page. It's
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  Speaker 7: not just the borrowing cost. You know, the interest payments
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  Speaker 7: on debt are by far the fastest growing item of
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  Speaker 7: Victorian government spending. That's also true at a federal level.
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  Speaker 7: But we're now seeing, as I say, the results of
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  Speaker 7: this dramatic economic mismanagement, and look, this is the in
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  Speaker 7: the coal mine and it's going to.
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  Speaker 3: Get worse to Queensland. Now.
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  Speaker 2: Premier Stephen Miles is insisting migration is to blame for
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  Speaker 2: road congestion and public transport woes in his state. He's
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  Speaker 2: a doubled down on his course for the federal government
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  Speaker 2: to slash overseas migration numbers by half. He's gopped a
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  Speaker 2: bit of criticism over this stand, but I wonder if
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  Speaker 2: he does have a point. A state government analysis has
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  Speaker 2: found that net overseas migration contributed one hundred and seventy
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  Speaker 2: seven percent increase in trips on Queensland's transport network.
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  Speaker 3: So we have sixty.
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  Speaker 2: Thousand trips in twenty nineteen to one hundred and sixty
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  Speaker 2: seven thousand trips last year. One hundred and twenty thousand
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  Speaker 2: people moved to Queensland last year, and eighty eight thousand
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  Speaker 2: of them were overseas migrants.
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  Speaker 8: Yell the Premiere of Queensland. It's spot on.
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  Speaker 7: He's right to point out that many of the problems
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  Speaker 7: we have, whether it's housing, whether it's the congestion on
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  Speaker 7: our roads, pressure on social services is from the seem
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  Speaker 7: increased to demand from this unplanned mass migration. You know
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  Speaker 7: things are bad when even a Labor premier is calling
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  Speaker 7: out his federal colleagues on their fouled migration progress.
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  Speaker 2: There is an election around the corner that may have
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  Speaker 2: something to do.
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  Speaker 7: With it, And you make a really good point because
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  Speaker 7: I've got to say, those are the words of a
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  Speaker 7: man who wants to win.
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  Speaker 8: He is willing. He's wedged the coalition.
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  Speaker 7: There on or the L and P on net zero,
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  Speaker 7: and the LP went along with it, is now wedging
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  Speaker 7: them on the migration issue. So look, I think it's
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  Speaker 7: it's probably back to even Stevens in terms of that election.
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  Speaker 2: Oh, he has played it very well, indeed, and the
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  Speaker 2: L ANDP that massive own goal by signing up to
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  Speaker 2: Labour's Bolder mission targets. Now they've really taken out that issue,
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  Speaker 2: cost of living, energy policy out of the equation, and
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  Speaker 2: he seems to be coming in stronger than even they
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  Speaker 2: are on something that people care passionately about, and that's
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  Speaker 2: migration numbers, even though it's a federal issue not a
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  Speaker 2: state issue. Now an increase the number of Jewish students
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  Speaker 2: at the University of Melbourne are dropping out, deferring placement,
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  Speaker 2: or fleeing campus altogether, as pro Palestinian activists continue to
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  Speaker 2: occupy buildings on the Parkville campus. The Arts West building
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  Speaker 2: has been occupied for over a week now by students
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  Speaker 2: who are refusing to move. They've even renamed it Mahmud
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  Speaker 2: Hall after a Gaza victim. They struck classes for seventeen
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  Speaker 2: thousand students.
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  Speaker 3: What action is the.
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  Speaker 2: University taking down to restore order here?
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  Speaker 3: It seems to be very little, indeed very little.
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  Speaker 8: They're allowing it to happen.
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  Speaker 7: They've given into the worst of the campus protests students.
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  Speaker 7: I mean, you talk to students that are they can't
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  Speaker 7: go to class, they can't study. I mean some of
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  Speaker 7: them are trying to do exams. They can't go to
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  Speaker 7: the library and study because they're all side chanting.
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  Speaker 8: So how come these.
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  Speaker 7: Students are paying thousands of thousands of dollars and they're
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  Speaker 7: not even receiving an education. The universities need to be
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  Speaker 7: rebating the students who can't go to class.
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  Speaker 8: It's a complete disgrace.
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  Speaker 7: And the other point to make here is, of course
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  Speaker 7: you can have your say, but this is a university.
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  Speaker 7: You're there to be educated, you're there to learn, and it's.
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  Speaker 2: Just has gone far beyond the protest that they've got
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  Speaker 2: caps set up. I mean, surely that's against the rules
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  Speaker 2: and regulations.
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  Speaker 7: I'm sure they are clear them out. How hard is
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  Speaker 7: it for them to clear them out? But this is
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  Speaker 7: the point reader these universities, in the vice chancellor's lack
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  Speaker 7: moral courage, they will not do it. They'll take in
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  Speaker 7: the international students for the money. They're diminishing the quality
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  Speaker 7: of education, and they won't stand up to this bullying behavior.
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  Speaker 8: They are as a cohort of disgrace.
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  Speaker 3: Thank you so much for a time this evening.
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  Speaker 8: Thank you.
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  Speaker 2: Let's bring in Douglas Murray, best selling author of The
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  Speaker 2: Strange Death of Europe, The Madness of Crowds, and his
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  Speaker 2: latest work, The War on the West. Douglas will get
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  Speaker 2: to the ICC shortly, but first today we learned through
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  Speaker 2: our new court filing that was unsealed today, the Department
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  Speaker 2: of Justice authorize the use of deadly force. When FBI
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  Speaker 2: agents executed a raid at President Donald Trump's Marra Lago
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  Speaker 2: residents in August twenty twenty two, this seems all a
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  Speaker 2: bit heavy handed, Douglas when looking for classified documents.
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  Speaker 9: Yes, I mean, when this first happened, I said to you,
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  Speaker 9: I mean, the best interpretation was that some librarians in
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  Speaker 9: the National Archives got cross But who knew that librarians
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  Speaker 9: could send in the gunman. I wonder if the same
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  Speaker 9: consideration of lethal force was ever considered when documents needed
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  Speaker 9: to be retrieved from President Biden's chevrolet and his garage
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  Speaker 9: and various other places. It just seems extraordinary to me,
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  Speaker 9: as I think it will to most viewers. After all,
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  Speaker 9: what would the FBI have been expecting. Were they expecting
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  Speaker 9: a sort of standoff? Were they expecting to shoot security
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  Speaker 9: officers and others who, of course would surround President Trump
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  Speaker 9: at all times anyway, in and out of office. It
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  Speaker 9: seems extraordinary to me, and could have been if it
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  Speaker 9: had been followed through on one of those absolute keroscene
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  Speaker 9: on the fire events that everybody in American politics is
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  Speaker 9: ratefully fearful of.
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  Speaker 2: Well, yeah, these threats to democracy we keep hearing about
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  Speaker 2: now let's go to the ICC. And you warned us
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  Speaker 2: about the International Criminal Court and its chief prosecutor, Kareem
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  Speaker 2: Khan some time ago, and you were right on the money.
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  Speaker 2: Khan has now defended his recommendation of arrest warrants for
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  Speaker 2: Israeli Prime Minister benjaminitting Now and the Israeli Defense Minister.
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  Speaker 2: Khan says he took this action because Israeli courts did
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  Speaker 2: not appear to be investigating alleged abuse in Gaza.
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  Speaker 1: It's an extraordinary thing.
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  Speaker 9: And by the way, anyone interested in dystopias should look
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  Speaker 9: at the announcement that this so called prosecutor Khan made
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  Speaker 9: with these two equally non descript people standing behind him.
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  Speaker 9: It looked like a bad nineteen seventies B movie BBC
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  Speaker 9: made for.
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  Speaker 1: Television coop film.
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  Speaker 9: People have to remember that the ICC, the International Criminal Court,
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  Speaker 9: is simply not what it claims to be. It does
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  Speaker 9: not have jurisdiction and in my view, it should not
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  Speaker 9: have jurisdiction. In my view, it should not have jurisdiction
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  Speaker 9: over British troops or British politicians, nor should it in
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  Speaker 9: my view, and this is a case for the Australian
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  Speaker 9: public of course have jurisdiction over Australian soldiers or over
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  Speaker 9: Australian politicians. But of course Israel isn't a signatory to
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  Speaker 9: the court. Quite rightly in my view, as this is demonstrated,
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  Speaker 9: and nor is America, because America knew from the beginning
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  Speaker 9: of this extra national entity, this supranational entity, that if
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  Speaker 9: you allow these nondescript, highly motivated ideologue like so called
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  Speaker 9: prosecutor Khan, they will do all of.
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  Speaker 1: Their hobby horses.
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  Speaker 9: I'm fascinated that Khan has immediately decided to go for
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  Speaker 9: the Jews.
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  Speaker 1: Of course he has.
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  Speaker 9: He singled out the one Jewish state in the world
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  Speaker 9: and is trying to prosecute it's democratically elected leader. This
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  Speaker 9: is the first time the International Criminal Court comes with
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  Speaker 9: a democratically elected leader. Has mister Khan bothered to go
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  Speaker 9: for Oh, I don't know Basha al Asad or the
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  Speaker 9: supreme leader in Iran who hangs women who've been raped
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  Speaker 9: for the crime of being raped. Has he gone for
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  Speaker 9: any of them?
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  Speaker 5: No?
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  Speaker 1: No, no, of course not.
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  Speaker 9: He's not interested in pursuing all of these Muslim leaders
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  Speaker 9: in the Middle East who carry out atrocities.
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  Speaker 1: Day in day out.
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  Speaker 9: No he's gone for the democratically elected leader of the
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  Speaker 9: one Jewish state.
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  Speaker 1: He's ane.
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  Speaker 9: The Court has no jurisdiction over this, and it is
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  Speaker 9: simply a smear, and Kahn is playing right into the
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  Speaker 9: hands of Hamaz. Whether he means to do so or not,
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  Speaker 9: I suppose it's only for him to say.
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  Speaker 5: Well.
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  Speaker 2: We have a list of the experts who back the
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  Speaker 2: ICC warrants against Israel. The panel includes an International law
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  Speaker 2: on human rights expert Danny Friedman, British House of Lords
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  Speaker 2: member Helena Kennedy, and British Lebanese barrister and human rights
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  Speaker 2: lawyer Amaal Cooney, who posted a statement on the website
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  Speaker 2: of the Clooney Foundation for Justice. She wrote, we unanimously
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  Speaker 2: conclude that there are reasonable grounds to believe that Israeli
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  Speaker 2: Prime Minister Benjamin Etti Nahu and Israeli Defense Minister Joaf
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  Speaker 2: Gallant have committed war crimes and crimes against humanity, including
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  Speaker 2: starvation as a method of warfare, murder, persecution, and extermination.
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  Speaker 3: I served on this panel because I.
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  Speaker 2: Believe in the rule of law and the need to
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  Speaker 2: protect civilian lives.
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  Speaker 3: Douglas, what's your response to.
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  Speaker 9: That these are all more preposterous political ideologues pretending to
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  Speaker 9: be cool, level minded lawyers. Helena Kennedy is a far
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  Speaker 9: left wing career political operative.
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  Speaker 1: In the UK.
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  Speaker 9: You spent her whole life campaigning for Looney left causes
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  Speaker 9: and giving them some legal patterner Amal Clooney another highly
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  Speaker 9: motivated political operator. In her case, doubtless she will use
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  Speaker 9: this to raise more funds for the Clooney Foundation and
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  Speaker 9: to burnish her own credentials in some other way. But
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  Speaker 9: if you just consider what they've done that. First of all,
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  Speaker 9: these preposterus so called judges and lawyers have done no
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  Speaker 9: on the ground research, nothing original. They haven't been into Gaza,
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  Speaker 9: they haven't been in any of the areas of the fighting.
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  Speaker 1: So when they say we find.
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  Speaker 9: That Benjamin Netanya, who could have overseen murder in a
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  Speaker 9: war zone, they don't even know that it has happened.
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  Speaker 9: I mean, I suspect there is some killing in a
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  Speaker 9: war zone. It strikes me as being kind of drega
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  Speaker 9: and that's why Hamaz shouldn't have started a war. But
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  Speaker 9: the other thing these people have done is, as I
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  Speaker 9: said earlier, Khan decided to go for the one Jewish state.
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  Speaker 1: In the world. But he waited and did it at.
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  Speaker 9: The same time as going for or claiming that he's
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  Speaker 9: going to go for Sinoa, the Hamaz leader who planned
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  Speaker 9: and organized the seventh of October massacres. So what he's
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  Speaker 9: doing is this neat political, I would say, even Islamist
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  Speaker 9: ideological thing, which is, if you can't get through in
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  Speaker 9: the way you want, you pretend there is moral parity
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  Speaker 9: between Hamaz and the idef between Sinoa, who planned the
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  Speaker 9: seventh of October atrocities, and Benjamin Ettanna, who whose task
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  Speaker 9: it is the unenviable task of getting the hostages home
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  Speaker 9: and punishing the leadership of Hamaz. They have just drawn
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  Speaker 9: an equivalence between those two things. I think it's, as
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  Speaker 9: I say, highly motivated, highly political at best. The whole
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  Speaker 9: thing stinks of an agenda. And I would just say
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  Speaker 9: that everybody who's just stumbled upon the International Criminal Court
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  Speaker 9: should remember again, it isn't what it says it is.
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  Speaker 9: It has no jurisdiction in this matters, nor should it.
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  Speaker 9: If it is agreed that these highly motivated individuals can
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  Speaker 9: come for Benjamin Ettannahoo and the Minister of Defense Gallant,
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  Speaker 9: they will be coming for an Australian Prime minister next
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  Speaker 9: or a British Home secretary or an American sective state,
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  Speaker 9: and they have no more right.
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  Speaker 2: There, You're one hundred percent right there. And then the
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  Speaker 2: decision to announce this action against the Hamas leadership and
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  Speaker 2: the Israeli Prime Minister and Defense Minister on the same day.
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  Speaker 3: It is such a clear political move to put.
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  Speaker 2: Them on the same page as if there is some
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  Speaker 2: equivalence there. It's just transparent, Yeah, it is, and it's
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  Speaker 2: going to work legally, absolutely well. This decision by the
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  Speaker 2: ISC has been condemned by Israel's strongest allies. We've had
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  Speaker 2: the United States come out strongly, the United Kingdom, but sadly,
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  Speaker 2: our Prime Minister Anthony Albernizi has been a shamefully weak
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  Speaker 2: on this issue and his Foreign Minister, Penny Wang I'd argue,
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  Speaker 2: has been even worse.
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  Speaker 3: Let's hear from the Prime Minister first.
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  Speaker 10: Well, I don't comment on court processes in Australia, let
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  Speaker 10: alone court processes globally of which Australia is not a party.
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  Speaker 2: Apparently he can't make any comment on court cases overseas.
• 19:20
  Speaker 2: Just a few minutes later, he made comment on the
• 19:22
  Speaker 2: Julie Assange case, which is happening overseas, so you can
• 19:25
  Speaker 2: even stay consistent there. But his Foreign Minister, Penny Wong
• 19:30
  Speaker 2: used her department to issue a statement expressing support for
• 19:34
  Speaker 2: the ICC. The statement said, Australia respects the ICC and
• 19:38
  Speaker 2: the important role it has an upholding international law. The
• 19:42
  Speaker 2: decision on whether to issue arrest warrants is a matter
• 19:46
  Speaker 2: for the court. Douglas, Australia's response seems not just weak
• 19:53
  Speaker 2: but unprincipled compared.
• 19:55
  Speaker 3: To what we've seen from the UK and the US.
• 19:58
  Speaker 9: Well, first of all, don't be so sure that the
• 20:00
  Speaker 9: US and UK are so principled on this. I think
• 20:03
  Speaker 9: there's a political gain going on here and the Biden
• 20:05
  Speaker 9: administration will be perfectly happy to give over Net and
• 20:09
  Speaker 9: Yahoo in order to get a preferred candidate. So there's
• 20:11
  Speaker 9: a lot of different types of politics going on. And
• 20:14
  Speaker 9: in the UK, the Labor Party, who are likely to
• 20:17
  Speaker 9: be the overwhelming party of government in Britain later this year,
• 20:20
  Speaker 9: They're idiot representative actually welcomed the ruling, so that would
• 20:25
  Speaker 9: be British policy too. As for albin Asia and Wang,
• 20:28
  Speaker 9: I mean they can console themselves, and certainly one can
• 20:31
  Speaker 9: console herself that she is on exactly the same side
• 20:36
  Speaker 9: as Hamas leader Khalid Maschal. Let me just read you
• 20:40
  Speaker 9: quickly what Khalid Maschal said earlier this week in a speech.
• 20:44
  Speaker 9: He said that it's extremely important to annihilate the Zionists
• 20:48
  Speaker 9: for the good of humanity, and that being far away
• 20:51
  Speaker 9: from a zone of jihad does not mean that you
• 20:54
  Speaker 9: are absolved from carrying out jihad. He says that the
• 20:58
  Speaker 9: Alaxa flood, which which is what he and his friends
• 21:01
  Speaker 9: in Hamaz all the seventh of October massacre. He said,
• 21:04
  Speaker 9: the unaxs of flood must be followed by and has
• 21:07
  Speaker 9: been followed by, quote the great student flood. All of
• 21:11
  Speaker 9: those students on western campuses, they're doing what the head
• 21:15
  Speaker 9: of Hamaz is wanting them to do. He said, we
• 21:17
  Speaker 9: need a media flood. Well, Kalid Maschal's got the media
• 21:21
  Speaker 9: flood all the way from the New York Times to
• 21:23
  Speaker 9: Al Jazeera. He says, then we need a legal flood,
• 21:27
  Speaker 9: such as the incidents and the attempts.
• 21:30
  Speaker 1: To use the Hague.
• 21:32
  Speaker 9: He's also said, of course, that we need gihad and
• 21:35
  Speaker 9: resistance and the g had flood. So Wong can console
• 21:39
  Speaker 9: herself like all of those wrongheaded students on various campuses
• 21:44
  Speaker 9: who've made common cause with Hamas. They're on exactly the
• 21:47
  Speaker 9: same page lockstep with one of the people who planned
• 21:51
  Speaker 9: the seventh of October massacre. I hope they're proud of themselves.
• 21:55
  Speaker 9: History will be horrible to them.
• 22:00
  Speaker 2: On those wrongheaded students have seen them across university campuses
• 22:04
  Speaker 2: in the US UK right here in Australia.
• 22:07
  Speaker 3: They'd be feeling even more emboldened.
• 22:10
  Speaker 2: By their decision by the ICC, and I wonder if
• 22:13
  Speaker 2: it'll be enough to see them remove their masks. Douglas,
• 22:17
  Speaker 2: you wrote about this trend of anti Israeli protesters wearing
• 22:22
  Speaker 2: masks outdoors, and you've called on these cowards to show
• 22:26
  Speaker 2: their faces.
• 22:28
  Speaker 1: Yes, it was fascinating to me, you know, Rita.
• 22:31
  Speaker 9: When I was in Australia recently, I noticed that all
• 22:33
  Speaker 9: the anti israel protesters all seemed to be, whilst they
• 22:37
  Speaker 9: were doing their thingers celebrating Hamas. They seemed also have
• 22:41
  Speaker 9: been incredibly scared of COVID are very twenty twenty here
• 22:46
  Speaker 9: in New York up at Colombia. All these students who
• 22:50
  Speaker 9: are shouting things like go back to Poland to the
• 22:52
  Speaker 9: Jewish students at Columbia, they've all Weirdly, they're also terrified
• 22:57
  Speaker 9: of respiratory viruses.
• 23:00
  Speaker 1: Very interesting.
• 23:02
  Speaker 9: Same thing in the UK where the brave students at
• 23:04
  Speaker 9: Cambridge University shout their filth and also shout it through masks. Now,
• 23:11
  Speaker 9: I suggest this is all bunk. They're not actually afraid
• 23:16
  Speaker 9: of COVID. Whilst they're doing their bit for Hamas, they
• 23:20
  Speaker 9: know that what they're doing might be shameful. They know
• 23:25
  Speaker 9: it might get them into trouble. They know that when
• 23:28
  Speaker 9: you stand along a group among a group of people
• 23:31
  Speaker 9: all wearing their yas arafat Ka fears and feeling so
• 23:36
  Speaker 9: proud of dressing up in hamas terrorist chic, they sort
• 23:39
  Speaker 9: of sense maybe at some point in the future this
• 23:43
  Speaker 9: will go wrong and I might have to account for
• 23:45
  Speaker 9: my presence here on my actions.
• 23:46
  Speaker 1: So what do I do? I go all twenty twenty.
• 23:49
  Speaker 9: And I put a mask on, and the authorities in
• 23:52
  Speaker 9: my view and everyone else suld say.
• 23:54
  Speaker 1: You know, in America, in particular, the last group of
• 23:57
  Speaker 1: racists who are allowed to parade through a.
• 23:59
  Speaker 9: Marria with their faces covered with the ku Klux Klan. Now,
• 24:04
  Speaker 9: people used to say, then, if you're so proud of
• 24:06
  Speaker 9: your racist ideology, why don't you show your face. And
• 24:10
  Speaker 9: it's the same thing with these students and others. I'd
• 24:13
  Speaker 9: like them to show their faces. I show my face
• 24:16
  Speaker 9: when I speak. You show your face, Rita. We're not
• 24:19
  Speaker 9: afraid of being held to account for our opinions. We
• 24:21
  Speaker 9: put them out there like anyone else who's sensible, and
• 24:24
  Speaker 9: we expect to hold be held to account for them.
• 24:27
  Speaker 9: These people do not. They are acting simultaneously as radicals
• 24:32
  Speaker 9: and cowards. It's not surprising those two things often go together.
• 24:37
  Speaker 9: But I'd say to them, to you the phrase that
• 24:39
  Speaker 9: might trigger them, man up, guys, show your face. Let
• 24:43
  Speaker 9: the world see the bigotry face to face.
• 24:48
  Speaker 3: Well, I saw some of.
• 24:49
  Speaker 2: Them when they were arrested. I think it was UCLA.
• 24:53
  Speaker 2: It was some university campus where the police made a
• 24:56
  Speaker 2: point after they put them in handcuffs to remove their
• 24:59
  Speaker 2: mand asks, and they did not.
• 25:02
  Speaker 3: Seem to enjoy that at all.
• 25:04
  Speaker 2: Now to the UK quickly, where The Times is reporting
• 25:07
  Speaker 2: that police are being told to make fewer arrests because
• 25:12
  Speaker 2: of the lack of space in prisons. Yes, Chief constables
• 25:15
  Speaker 2: are being advised to consider pausing non priority arrests and
• 25:20
  Speaker 2: also suspend operations that may trigger large number of arrests
• 25:26
  Speaker 2: until there is enough capacity in the prison system.
• 25:29
  Speaker 3: What could go wrong with that? Douglas, I have.
• 25:33
  Speaker 9: To say the UK police advice is late. The UK
• 25:37
  Speaker 9: police don't bother arresting anyone anyway, I mean unless obviously,
• 25:41
  Speaker 9: for instance, you've tweeted something out about a trans child
• 25:46
  Speaker 9: perhaps not being operated on and molested by pervy surgeons.
• 25:51
  Speaker 9: But you know, if you have your house rob and
• 25:54
  Speaker 9: I mentioned this to you before, reata half the police
• 25:57
  Speaker 9: forces in England and Wales haven't made one rest in
• 26:00
  Speaker 9: recent years for burglary.
• 26:02
  Speaker 1: Not one.
• 26:03
  Speaker 9: So actually this advice, and it's always the most ridiculous
• 26:07
  Speaker 9: advice that you know, we're running out of prison places,
• 26:09
  Speaker 9: so let's just arrest fewer criminals. As opposed to it,
• 26:13
  Speaker 9: we will build as many prison places as there are
• 26:15
  Speaker 9: criminals who need to go into them. No, they're worried
• 26:19
  Speaker 9: about the number of people in prisons and they don't
• 26:22
  Speaker 9: need to worry the way that the police in Britain
• 26:25
  Speaker 9: are going. The prisons may be filled with tweet crime people,
• 26:30
  Speaker 9: but are there won't be any burglars and of course,
• 26:33
  Speaker 9: as we know from Sadi Khan's London, there aren't any
• 26:35
  Speaker 9: stabbers or murderers. So actually I'm amazed as any shortage
• 26:41
  Speaker 9: of prison spaces. I'd have thought that if you did
• 26:44
  Speaker 9: have the bad luck to be locked up in choking
• 26:47
  Speaker 9: in the UK these days, you'd be able to effectively hot.
• 26:50
  Speaker 1: Desk it are among the cells.
• 26:51
  Speaker 9: You probably have your choice of cell because most of
• 26:54
  Speaker 9: them are empty because the police can't arrest anyone for
• 26:56
  Speaker 9: any actual crime.
• 26:57
  Speaker 1: Haven't bothered in years.
• 27:00
  Speaker 5: Now.
• 27:00
  Speaker 2: Before you go, I want to get your opinion on
• 27:02
  Speaker 2: this new therapy craze that seems to be very popular
• 27:08
  Speaker 2: with some women who are going to the woods and
• 27:11
  Speaker 2: just scream and bash the ground with sticks.
• 27:14
  Speaker 11: It's called rage therapy, is.
• 27:42
  Speaker 3: A rage ritual.
• 27:43
  Speaker 2: Therapies can be a costly affair. If you're on the
• 27:46
  Speaker 2: full package, it can cost upwards of four thousand dollars
• 27:50
  Speaker 2: money well spent, Douglas.
• 27:53
  Speaker 9: I mean, it struck me that a few of them
• 27:54
  Speaker 9: just ought to take it out by going to the gym.
• 27:58
  Speaker 9: It'd be cheaper and necessary.
• 28:03
  Speaker 1: Not to want to body shame anyone. But there's something
• 28:06
  Speaker 1: just so.
• 28:07
  Speaker 9: It's a sort of civilizational breakdown thing.
• 28:10
  Speaker 5: This.
• 28:10
  Speaker 9: You know, we have somebody there saying they feel sad,
• 28:14
  Speaker 9: and another one feels afraid. I hate to break it
• 28:16
  Speaker 9: to them, but if any of them are watching, human
• 28:18
  Speaker 9: life is sad, is also joyful. Youse are sometimes going
• 28:23
  Speaker 9: to be afraid in your life, and sometimes you won't be.
• 28:25
  Speaker 1: You might even be brave.
• 28:27
  Speaker 9: Human life one of the great things about it is
• 28:29
  Speaker 9: it's filled with lots of emotions, but in general it's
• 28:33
  Speaker 9: a good idea to keep them in check and keep
• 28:36
  Speaker 9: yourself sane. And one of the ways in which you
• 28:38
  Speaker 9: can tell that you're not being sane is when you're
• 28:41
  Speaker 9: standing in the middle of a wood being rinsed for
• 28:44
  Speaker 9: four thousand bucks by some charlattan smashing the ground and screaming.
• 28:50
  Speaker 9: That's a sign that you've not got it together. And
• 28:53
  Speaker 9: an overpriced stick beating on the ground session ain't gonna
• 28:57
  Speaker 9: help you.
• 28:58
  Speaker 1: I would argue.
• 29:00
  Speaker 9: All sorts of other things could, but these are just
• 29:02
  Speaker 9: people whose lives are not together. I wish some luck,
• 29:05
  Speaker 9: but this isn't going to put it together. They are
• 29:08
  Speaker 9: going to have to do a lot more work than
• 29:10
  Speaker 9: this rita.
• 29:13
  Speaker 2: Yes, but at least they're outdoors in the woods getting
• 29:16
  Speaker 2: some fresh air.
• 29:17
  Speaker 3: Let's look at the possles. Douglas Murray, thank you so much.
• 29:20
  Speaker 1: Each they're not online.
• 29:22
  Speaker 9: At least they're not online screaming like that as many
• 29:25
  Speaker 9: people are. At least they're doing it in the woods, offline, precisely.
• 29:31
  Speaker 3: Thank you, Douglas Murray.
• 29:34
  Speaker 1: Thank you.
• 29:35
  Speaker 2: Still to come a special ABC MSNBC edition of Lefties
• 29:39
  Speaker 2: Losing It, and Armi Horowitz joins me with the latest
• 29:42
  Speaker 2: from the US.
• 29:42
  Speaker 3: You will not believe what the.
• 29:44
  Speaker 2: Judge in the Trump trial has done. Now, welcome back.
• 29:56
  Speaker 2: Now it's time for Lefties losing it and the ladies
• 30:00
  Speaker 2: of the view are the gift that.
• 30:02
  Speaker 3: Keeps on giving. So much Lefty is losing its content
• 30:06
  Speaker 3: each and every week. And today it's.
• 30:08
  Speaker 2: The ironically named joy Beha who stars with this bit
• 30:12
  Speaker 2: of derangement.
• 30:14
  Speaker 4: You keep wearing that red hat that says make America
• 30:17
  Speaker 4: great Again, that tells people, then you go along.
• 30:20
  Speaker 12: With this, so you must well just put a swastika
• 30:22
  Speaker 12: on the hat.
• 30:23
  Speaker 13: Don't worry, that's because we see it anyway.
• 30:27
  Speaker 2: Yep, she's bonkers and devoid of joy. Can you imagine
• 30:31
  Speaker 2: becoming so unhinged by a making America great Again cap?
• 30:35
  Speaker 3: And we have more joy for you, not real joy.
• 30:38
  Speaker 2: The bitter lefty losing it type here admitting that she's
• 30:41
  Speaker 2: not honest with her audience about Joe Biden's failings because
• 30:46
  Speaker 2: she doesn't want to help Donald Trump.
• 30:48
  Speaker 14: So but I'm nervous about saying anything against Biden because
• 30:52
  Speaker 14: I feel, you know, not.
• 30:53
  Speaker 2: That I have so much power and you have some
• 30:55
  Speaker 2: them than I do, obviously, But are you afraid that.
• 30:59
  Speaker 3: You might you know, and influence of people.
• 31:01
  Speaker 5: Who are on the fact, I think you lose all
• 31:03
  Speaker 5: credibility I do.
• 31:04
  Speaker 3: I mean, my bond with my audience has always been
• 31:06
  Speaker 3: I don't pull a punch.
• 31:08
  Speaker 14: My bond with my orient is You're not going to
• 31:10
  Speaker 14: like everything I say, but you know I'm saying what
• 31:12
  Speaker 14: I really think is true.
• 31:14
  Speaker 2: Oh that was some subtle shade thrown by Ma, and
• 31:18
  Speaker 2: that wasn't.
• 31:18
  Speaker 3: The worst of it.
• 31:20
  Speaker 2: Here, Joy claims that Biden's brain is still good.
• 31:24
  Speaker 3: He's great.
• 31:26
  Speaker 5: We are not young, but we don't present as old
• 31:30
  Speaker 5: Biden does.
• 31:30
  Speaker 1: I saw him yesterday making that speech.
• 31:32
  Speaker 5: I mean, I'm sorry he's cadaver like, but his brain
• 31:35
  Speaker 5: is good.
• 31:35
  Speaker 3: He's still great. Oh that is just unintentionally hilarious.
• 31:40
  Speaker 2: And now to more unintentional hilarity from the male version
• 31:44
  Speaker 2: of Joy Beha MSNBC host Lawrence O'Donnell. He had this
• 31:48
  Speaker 2: analysis on Michael Cohen's disastrous testimony where the serial perjura
• 31:54
  Speaker 2: admitted to being a thief who stole thirty thousand dollars
• 31:59
  Speaker 2: from the Trump organized.
• 32:01
  Speaker 14: Yes, he stalled thirty thousand dollars. Later, when Colin was
• 32:05
  Speaker 14: asked about that on redirect by the prosecution, it didn't
• 32:08
  Speaker 14: really sound like stealing thirty thousand dollars. It sounded a
• 32:11
  Speaker 14: lot like Michael Cohen doing the little that he could
• 32:15
  Speaker 14: within that calculation to rebalance the bonus sea fighting deserves,
• 32:21
  Speaker 14: and it still came out as less than the bonus
• 32:24
  Speaker 14: sea fighting deserved.
• 32:25
  Speaker 3: Did you get that?
• 32:26
  Speaker 2: So if you think you're entitled to something, you can
• 32:30
  Speaker 2: just take it.
• 32:30
  Speaker 3: That's not really stealing.
• 32:32
  Speaker 2: Yeah, Lawrence actually said it sounded like Cohen doing what
• 32:36
  Speaker 2: he could to rebalance the bonus.
• 32:40
  Speaker 3: He thought he deserved.
• 32:41
  Speaker 2: Yeah, Okay, left is losing it indeed, And it's not
• 32:45
  Speaker 2: the first time Lawrence has embarrassed himself.
• 32:48
  Speaker 3: Reporting on this trial.
• 32:50
  Speaker 2: Remember is bizarre creepy description of Stormy Daniels.
• 32:56
  Speaker 14: At ten two am entered wearing all black as if
• 33:02
  Speaker 14: on her way to a funeral. The loose fitting, plain
• 33:05
  Speaker 14: black clothing draping from her shoulders to her toes suggested.
• 33:09
  Speaker 6: The modesty of a nun.
• 33:12
  Speaker 14: The makeup was minimal, the way she and the other
• 33:16
  Speaker 14: moms in her neighborhood might look when shopping at the
• 33:19
  Speaker 14: local grocery store. The long blonde hair held up with
• 33:23
  Speaker 14: a clip at the back of her head, the way
• 33:26
  Speaker 14: it might be in a utilitarian way while she was
• 33:29
  Speaker 14: doing dishes or checking one of the horse shoes on her.
• 33:32
  Speaker 3: Horse checking horseshoes. The modesty of a nun. Stormy Daniels,
• 33:38
  Speaker 3: really this bizarre and creepy.
• 33:40
  Speaker 2: I think I was under selling it with that. But
• 33:43
  Speaker 2: the best Lawrence clip of all time, if you ask me,
• 33:46
  Speaker 2: is from when Trump was president and MSNBC was extra crazy.
• 33:50
  Speaker 2: Enjoy this leaked footage where he is sure he can
• 33:54
  Speaker 2: hear a hammer, a hammer no one else can hear,
• 33:57
  Speaker 2: and it makes.
• 33:57
  Speaker 3: Him very angry.
• 33:58
  Speaker 14: Indeed, James Fellows and Josh Arnest, thank you both for
• 34:02
  Speaker 14: joining us and I really appreciate it. Coming up, is
• 34:06
  Speaker 14: Donald Trump going to be called to testify to Congress?
• 34:10
  Speaker 14: Michael Liscoff has the latest on that.
• 34:16
  Speaker 4: Stop the hammering. Stop the hammering out there?
• 34:19
  Speaker 5: Who's got a hammer? Where is it?
• 34:22
  Speaker 4: Where's the hammer Is it on the go up on
• 34:25
  Speaker 4: the other floor. Somebody go up there and stop the hammering.
• 34:29
  Speaker 4: Stop the hammering. I'll go down to the goddamn floor
• 34:38
  Speaker 4: myself and stop it. Keep the goddamn commercial break going.
• 34:43
  Speaker 4: Call Phil Griffin. I don't care who you have to call.
• 34:46
  Speaker 4: Stop the hammering. Empty out the goddamn control room and
• 34:56
  Speaker 4: find out where this is going on. It's either there
• 34:59
  Speaker 4: or there or out there somewhere.
• 35:03
  Speaker 2: He seems agitated, But it wasn't just the hammering. There's
• 35:06
  Speaker 2: also a woman talking about Labor Day in Izia incessantly.
• 35:14
  Speaker 4: The woman talking in my ear was talking about the
• 35:17
  Speaker 4: Labor Day special repeatedly every time we went to a st.
• 35:24
  Speaker 14: Get out of control.
• 35:29
  Speaker 2: Joining me now is filmmaker and journalist Army Horoids Army.
• 35:33
  Speaker 2: The Biden administration has set records for illegal immigration, losing
• 35:38
  Speaker 2: complete control of that southern border. We've talked about it often,
• 35:41
  Speaker 2: and that crisis is set to worsen, with illegal migrants
• 35:44
  Speaker 2: using what could be the final months of Biden's presidency
• 35:48
  Speaker 2: to rush across the border before a second Trump term.
• 35:52
  Speaker 2: To Columbian illegal migrants across the border in Arizona last week,
• 35:56
  Speaker 2: told the New York Posts that they fear the election
• 36:00
  Speaker 2: will make border crossings Hotta saying we don't want Trump.
• 36:05
  Speaker 3: That's fakes volumes, doesn't it.
• 36:09
  Speaker 6: Yeah, No, it.
• 36:09
  Speaker 12: Says everything about where we are and where the election
• 36:12
  Speaker 12: is going. Frankly, I mean, look, I've been to the border,
• 36:15
  Speaker 12: unlike Kamala Harris, and I've spoken to these migrs across
• 36:19
  Speaker 12: coming across, and they don't hide the fact. They don't
• 36:22
  Speaker 12: hide the ball. They say, look, we're here because we
• 36:24
  Speaker 12: know we can get in under the Biden administration. We
• 36:28
  Speaker 12: didn't coump under the Trump administration because we couldn't get
• 36:31
  Speaker 12: in as simple as that rita. But this administration is
• 36:34
  Speaker 12: so bad at this, never mind the demographic consequences, the
• 36:39
  Speaker 12: economic consequences to the US of having seven million people
• 36:42
  Speaker 12: across the border illegally, just from an electoral standpoint, just
• 36:46
  Speaker 12: from the fact that this is the number two issue
• 36:50
  Speaker 12: in our country. You're really gonna fail at that knowing
• 36:53
  Speaker 12: that it is going to cost you the election. Biden
• 36:57
  Speaker 12: is so bad and I again I've said it before,
• 37:00
  Speaker 12: perhaps off to the Texas governor, the Florida governor, who
• 37:06
  Speaker 12: at the time were just political theater when they took
• 37:08
  Speaker 12: the migrants and they shipped them to blue states and
• 37:11
  Speaker 12: blue cities across the country. Turned out to be an
• 37:14
  Speaker 12: absolute massive win politically because it had actually turned the
• 37:19
  Speaker 12: tide of people who live in this big cities who
• 37:22
  Speaker 12: are now saying we cannot deal with this problem.
• 37:25
  Speaker 6: It is absolute brilliance.
• 37:26
  Speaker 12: And this topic, along with inflation, is going to sink
• 37:30
  Speaker 12: the Biden administration.
• 37:34
  Speaker 2: Yes, all those sanctuary cities where they don't want to
• 37:37
  Speaker 2: provide sanctuary to illegal immigrants anymore. They love to have
• 37:40
  Speaker 2: that title, but they don't want to actually put it
• 37:42
  Speaker 2: into practice. Now to Donald Trump's trial in Manhattan, He's
• 37:46
  Speaker 2: not going to be testifying in this criminal trial, and
• 37:51
  Speaker 2: it comes, as Alan Dershowitz writes in The New York Post,
• 37:55
  Speaker 2: just when I thought this case couldn't be any more bizarre,
• 37:57
  Speaker 2: I read this piece. He said, there's never been in
• 38:00
  Speaker 2: such a spectacle as this hush money criminal trial against Trump.
• 38:04
  Speaker 2: At one point in the trial, Judge Merchant cleared out
• 38:07
  Speaker 2: the courtroom after a witness for the defense, Robert Costello,
• 38:12
  Speaker 2: raised his eyebrows at one of his rulings. Joshiwitz wrote,
• 38:16
  Speaker 2: for some reason, I was allowed to stay and I
• 38:19
  Speaker 2: observed one of the most remarkable wrongheaded biases.
• 38:23
  Speaker 3: I have ever seen.
• 38:25
  Speaker 2: The judge actually threatened to strike all of Costello's testimony.
• 38:30
  Speaker 3: If he raised his eyebrows again, Army.
• 38:33
  Speaker 2: Just when you think this case couldn't be any more
• 38:36
  Speaker 2: crazy or corrupt, you read something like that.
• 38:41
  Speaker 6: Yeah, no, it's so interesting.
• 38:43
  Speaker 12: I think the issue, at least for me, I think
• 38:46
  Speaker 12: the biggest issue is the contrasting coverage of what's going on.
• 38:50
  Speaker 6: Now.
• 38:50
  Speaker 12: The problem is it's not being televised. Okay, so it's
• 38:53
  Speaker 12: not being televised. Really, you're just at the whim of
• 38:56
  Speaker 12: the biased interpreters of what they are watching. So if
• 39:01
  Speaker 12: you're watching for and I've watched both. You watch CNN,
• 39:04
  Speaker 12: for example, you think that the prosecution is destroying the
• 39:09
  Speaker 12: defense and that Trump is one hundred percent going to
• 39:11
  Speaker 12: be prosecuted. If you watch Fox News, it's the exact opposite.
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  Speaker 12: They're saying, there's no question Trump is.
• 39:17
  Speaker 6: Gonna be acquitted.
• 39:18
  Speaker 12: They look at a guy like they look at a
• 39:20
  Speaker 12: guy like the judge Merchand if you do watch CNN,
• 39:23
  Speaker 12: he's the greatest judge we've ever seen. If you watch
• 39:25
  Speaker 12: Fox News, he's totally biased. We don't know because we
• 39:28
  Speaker 12: can't watch this ourselves. Now, I will tell you this.
• 39:31
  Speaker 12: I know I'm not a lawyer, but I'm playing one
• 39:34
  Speaker 12: on Sky News.
• 39:35
  Speaker 6: One thing you don't want to do is you don't.
• 39:37
  Speaker 12: Want to demonize the judge when you're not really playing
• 39:41
  Speaker 12: to the court of public opinion, you're playing to the
• 39:43
  Speaker 12: jurors themselves. The one thing I have been a juror,
• 39:46
  Speaker 12: and the one thing I can tell you is that
• 39:48
  Speaker 12: the jurors have a special connection to the judge. They're
• 39:51
  Speaker 12: not thinking about politics. What they know is he was
• 39:54
  Speaker 12: there when they were first chosen, he was there when
• 39:57
  Speaker 12: he walked them through the process, he's there when they
• 40:00
  Speaker 12: have lunch.
• 40:01
  Speaker 6: They have a deep connection with it.
• 40:02
  Speaker 12: They don't like when the prosecution continuously attacks the joke.
• 40:07
  Speaker 12: So I think that is a tactical mistake.
• 40:10
  Speaker 6: But the worst part is we just don't with army.
• 40:13
  Speaker 3: Army don't know.
• 40:16
  Speaker 2: This jury and judge do share a deep connection. It's
• 40:20
  Speaker 2: a hatred.
• 40:22
  Speaker 3: Of Donald Trump.
• 40:23
  Speaker 2: I mean, please, let's not pretend that this is some
• 40:26
  Speaker 2: sort of unbiased trial in an unbiased territory. This is
• 40:31
  Speaker 2: deep Democrat territory where the jury pool comes from a
• 40:35
  Speaker 2: very Democrat voting base and we've seen just the elements
• 40:41
  Speaker 2: of this trial that are unlike anything else legal experts
• 40:45
  Speaker 2: who observe these things for years have seen. So I
• 40:48
  Speaker 2: take your point about the different coverage, but I would
• 40:51
  Speaker 2: argue the most conservatives expect to see a conviction in
• 40:55
  Speaker 2: this case, but they don't see it that way because
• 40:58
  Speaker 2: they think Donald Trump's getting a fair trial. They see
• 41:00
  Speaker 2: it because it seems to be almost predetermined. But then
• 41:04
  Speaker 2: it will be appealed and probably overturned at some later date.
• 41:08
  Speaker 2: But I want to get your response to this next issue, Armie.
• 41:12
  Speaker 2: Tell me about the reaction we've seen to the Biden
• 41:15
  Speaker 2: White House offering its condolences to the butcher of Tehran,
• 41:21
  Speaker 2: Ibraham Racey, who died in a helicopter crash early this week.
• 41:26
  Speaker 2: Just the moral decay that would see an administration offer
• 41:32
  Speaker 2: condolences to this monster who tortured pregnant women and slaughtered
• 41:37
  Speaker 2: thousands of innocent people. Has there been much backlash or
• 41:42
  Speaker 2: are we used to this sort of degeneracy now?
• 41:46
  Speaker 12: Yeah, and again I can think of Bears repeating he's
• 41:49
  Speaker 12: called the butcher of Tehran for a reason, not just
• 41:52
  Speaker 12: what you just mentioned before that you've done in the
• 41:54
  Speaker 12: ten thousand people he kill in torture. But I want
• 41:56
  Speaker 12: to point out that one particular thing he did, though
• 41:59
  Speaker 12: was particular deviousness, is that before he murdered some very
• 42:03
  Speaker 12: young women who were virgins, and since there is a
• 42:07
  Speaker 12: prohibition against killing a virgin, the girls would be raped
• 42:12
  Speaker 12: before they were hugged, so they could legally be killed.
• 42:15
  Speaker 12: This is the kind of deviant monster we're talking about.
• 42:19
  Speaker 12: And first let me talk about the UN real quick
• 42:22
  Speaker 12: another cesspool of deviancy, where they lowered the flag to
• 42:27
  Speaker 12: half mass and they had a moment of silence for
• 42:30
  Speaker 12: this animal. They didn't have a moment of silence for
• 42:33
  Speaker 12: the twelve hundred Israelies who were raped and murdered on
• 42:36
  Speaker 12: October seventh, but they did for the Iranian president.
• 42:40
  Speaker 6: Now you expect that from the UN. I covered the
• 42:42
  Speaker 6: UN for five years.
• 42:43
  Speaker 12: I know how disgusting that place is, the moral equivalency,
• 42:46
  Speaker 12: the lack of morals when it comes to that place.
• 42:49
  Speaker 12: But like you said, to have the State Department and
• 42:52
  Speaker 12: by extension, the Biden administration put out their condolences. I
• 42:57
  Speaker 12: don't know what they're playing at. I don't know what
• 42:59
  Speaker 12: the point is. I don't even know why they would
• 43:01
  Speaker 12: do that. The only thing I can think about is
• 43:03
  Speaker 12: this this bizarre notion that we have to befriend our
• 43:08
  Speaker 12: enemies so they can understand.
• 43:10
  Speaker 6: That we're not the bad guys.
• 43:11
  Speaker 12: We're not the guys you should be going after, go
• 43:14
  Speaker 12: after the other people. That's the only way I can
• 43:16
  Speaker 12: rationalize this. And of course it look you could look
• 43:19
  Speaker 12: at the Bidam. I will say this, at least the
• 43:22
  Speaker 12: Bide administration showed outrage for the ICC ruling against Israel,
• 43:27
  Speaker 12: But the IC really happened, not in small part because
• 43:30
  Speaker 12: the Biden administration publicly said that Israel was going after
• 43:34
  Speaker 12: and targeting civilians and ban weapons.
• 43:36
  Speaker 6: If you don't think that played a role in that,
• 43:38
  Speaker 6: you're crazy.
• 43:39
  Speaker 12: So I think all of this is kind of is
• 43:41
  Speaker 12: kind of coming together and coalescing, and it, you know,
• 43:44
  Speaker 12: to the point where we're actually having a moment of
• 43:47
  Speaker 12: silence for a depraved human being like the president, former
• 43:51
  Speaker 12: president thankfully of Iran.
• 43:55
  Speaker 2: Yes, I think a lot of people watch that at
• 43:57
  Speaker 2: the UN and their first thought was let's defund the UN,
• 44:01
  Speaker 2: let's get out of their mi Horowitz, thank you so
• 44:04
  Speaker 2: much for your time this evening still to kam Iran
• 44:07
  Speaker 2: sentences a musician to death for taking a stand against
• 44:11
  Speaker 2: the brutal Islamist regime. Human Khalili joins me. Next, welcome back.
• 44:25
  Speaker 2: My next guess is on a mission to unite the
• 44:26
  Speaker 2: women protesting against the Iranian regime with.
• 44:29
  Speaker 3: The Jewish people of Israel through art.
• 44:32
  Speaker 2: Whoman Khalili has designed eleven murals in Israel and two
• 44:36
  Speaker 2: in the US in support of the women life freedom
• 44:39
  Speaker 2: movement in Iran that started after the death of Masa
• 44:43
  Speaker 2: Amini at the hands of the state's morality police. Likening
• 44:47
  Speaker 2: the female protesters to the Hebrew heroine Esther, Khalili is
• 44:52
  Speaker 2: hoping to show those fighting for freedom and liberty in
• 44:55
  Speaker 2: Iran that the Jewish people stand with them.
• 44:59
  Speaker 3: Whom and Khleli joins me.
• 45:00
  Speaker 2: Now, what inspired you to undertake this project and to
• 45:05
  Speaker 2: unite these two people whose countries are effectively at war?
• 45:12
  Speaker 5: Thank you, Rita for having me. I'm really honored to
• 45:15
  Speaker 5: be here. Yeah. I know.
• 45:18
  Speaker 13: When this revolution started September sixteenth, twenty twenty two, I
• 45:23
  Speaker 13: was watching it from a distance. I'm a filmmaker. The
• 45:26
  Speaker 13: idea of creating murals was brought to me.
• 45:30
  Speaker 5: I helped birth the.
• 45:31
  Speaker 13: Mural in San Francisco because of the picture going.
• 45:35
  Speaker 5: Viral on Instagram.
• 45:37
  Speaker 13: The former Vice President of Jerusalem found me Flur Hassen
• 45:41
  Speaker 13: and another really prominent Israeli Emily Schrader, and they said, listen,
• 45:48
  Speaker 13: we want murals in support of the Iranian women here
• 45:51
  Speaker 13: in Israel. We want to show the world that we
• 45:54
  Speaker 13: choose are standing with the freedom fighting women of Iran.
• 45:59
  Speaker 13: So I, you know, being raised in church loving Jesus,
• 46:03
  Speaker 13: I thought, God, I think you're calling.
• 46:05
  Speaker 5: So I jumped on a plane and met with Flura
• 46:08
  Speaker 5: Hassan Uh.
• 46:09
  Speaker 13: We had a quick conversation, and miraculously, twenty six days later.
• 46:14
  Speaker 5: The first mural was born in Jerusalem.
• 46:18
  Speaker 13: And when that mural went up on January ninth, twenty
• 46:22
  Speaker 13: twenty three, for one day, the eyes of the world
• 46:26
  Speaker 13: came upon Israel, and Israel had the very best press.
• 46:30
  Speaker 13: Everybody loved the state of Israel on January ninth because
• 46:35
  Speaker 13: that was the first mural in the Middle East in
• 46:37
  Speaker 13: support of the freedom fighting women of Iran.
• 46:42
  Speaker 2: Now your latest mural honors rapper too, muje Salihi, who
• 46:47
  Speaker 2: has been sentenced to death by the Iranian Revolutionary Court
• 46:52
  Speaker 2: on charges they accuse him of corruption on Earth. What
• 46:55
  Speaker 2: he actually did was protest against the Iranian regime.
• 46:59
  Speaker 3: He took stand with the women of Iran.
• 47:02
  Speaker 2: He's reportedly been tortured and now faces a death sentence.
• 47:08
  Speaker 2: Is there any hope that international attention and pressure can
• 47:13
  Speaker 2: save him.
• 47:15
  Speaker 5: Yeah, that's a great question.
• 47:17
  Speaker 13: You know, Tomage is arguably the most famous musician in
• 47:23
  Speaker 13: all of Iran. Right now, you've got multiplay reaching out
• 47:27
  Speaker 13: to the international community.
• 47:29
  Speaker 5: You most recently had sting.
• 47:32
  Speaker 13: And this man is such a person of principle. He
• 47:36
  Speaker 13: won't concede to the demands of the Islamic regime. He
• 47:42
  Speaker 13: is holding his hard line stand, criticizing them. Once again,
• 47:47
  Speaker 13: Emily Schrader called and said, it's time to do a
• 47:50
  Speaker 13: mural of homage here in Israel. Once again, the State
• 47:54
  Speaker 13: of Israel said, please come do this mural here. And
• 47:58
  Speaker 13: so the only two murals I know of of Toomage
• 48:02
  Speaker 13: in the world are in the State of Israel. Once again,
• 48:06
  Speaker 13: Israel is saying, look, we are standing with the even
• 48:09
  Speaker 13: during a time of war. We are standing with the
• 48:12
  Speaker 13: freedom fighting women and the freedom fighting people of Iran.
• 48:16
  Speaker 13: And you know, this opens up a wider question, which
• 48:19
  Speaker 13: is when you look at the murals of the world
• 48:22
  Speaker 13: and support the woman life freedom murals. You know, You've
• 48:25
  Speaker 13: got many in the United States, many in Australia, Europe, Canada.
• 48:31
  Speaker 13: But the only country in the Middle East standing with
• 48:34
  Speaker 13: the freedom fighting women of Iran is Israel.
• 48:37
  Speaker 5: To date, there are no murals in.
• 48:38
  Speaker 13: Jordan, Syria, Iraq, Gitar Lebanon, UAE, Saudi Arabia. I cannot
• 48:48
  Speaker 13: understand this unbelievable criticism for Israel when Israel is saying
• 48:55
  Speaker 13: we love the Persian people even.
• 48:56
  Speaker 5: During a time of war. We are standing with the
• 48:59
  Speaker 5: women of Iran.
• 49:02
  Speaker 3: You know what.
• 49:03
  Speaker 2: And we've seen similar sentiments from young people in Iran.
• 49:08
  Speaker 2: I've seen footage of students refusing to walk on the
• 49:12
  Speaker 2: Israelian American flags of the regime paints that they're supposed
• 49:16
  Speaker 2: to stomp on. They make an effort to walk around them.
• 49:19
  Speaker 2: So there is this goodwill amongst the populations. Your work
• 49:23
  Speaker 2: is beautiful.
• 49:24
  Speaker 3: Thank you so much for your time this evening.
• 49:27
  Speaker 5: My pleasure. And one last thing.
• 49:29
  Speaker 13: Ninety five percent of the people in Iran stand with
• 49:32
  Speaker 13: the State of Israel, and that is a beautiful thing.
• 49:35
  Speaker 3: That's it from me.
• 49:36
  Speaker 2: Up next is Newsnight. I'll see you at eleven tomorrow.
• 49:40
  Speaker 2: Good night,