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Ian Furness 10/5 H3: Mike Sando, Talkbacks & Texts, Fact or Fiction and Crosstalk with Softy! · The Ian Furness Show

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  Speaker 3: Hello, sir.
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  Speaker 2: How are you? Oh, there he is.
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  Speaker 4: Hey, Mike.
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  Speaker 2: How are you doing? Good.
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  Speaker 4: How are you?
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  Speaker 2: I'm good.
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  Speaker 1: I'm good.
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  Speaker 2: We've got Monday Night Football tonight. I should mention real fast.
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  Speaker 2: Right here on i3. 3 KDRFM, 5 o'clock. It'll be the
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  Speaker 2: Saints and the Falcons 20 years after the Steve Gleason
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  Speaker 2: blocked punt. really kind of fired up the city coming
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  Speaker 2: back from hurricane Katrina, got the rivalry going as well
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  Speaker 2: in the NFC South. So a lot of probably emotion
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  Speaker 2: in the building tonight. It's been 20 years. You were
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  Speaker 2: covering the NFL, I believe back then, maybe.
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  Speaker 4: Oh yeah.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah.
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  Speaker 5: Yeah.
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  Speaker 2: You were covering the NFL back then. What do you
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  Speaker 2: remember from that night?
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  Speaker 4: Well, Steve Leeson actually covered him when he was a
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  Speaker 4: freshman at Wazoo. I was on the Wazoo beat. Then
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  Speaker 4: I was sort of covering the NFL, you know, in 98.
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  Speaker 4: So I just remembered what a, you know, what an
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  Speaker 4: emotional player he was. And I thought it was just
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  Speaker 4: so amazing. Of course, not knowing what was going to
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  Speaker 4: happen with him over the course of his life, but
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  Speaker 4: just an amazing, an amazing, amazing night for a city.
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  Speaker 4: Remember the time I think we were, I think the Seahawks,
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  Speaker 4: I was on the Seahawks beat. I believe they had
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  Speaker 4: just played there because Dave Bowling, my partner at the
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  Speaker 4: news tribune at the time, I believe got stuck coming
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  Speaker 4: out of there and had to hang out with somebody's
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  Speaker 4: house or something. Oh, gosh. And so I remember that
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  Speaker 4: and then just how amazing it was. I think I
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  Speaker 4: saw one of those guys, Gleason or somebody, say that
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  Speaker 4: they wouldn't trade that night for a Super Bowl win.
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  Speaker 4: Think of that. Wow.
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  Speaker 2: That's amazing.
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  Speaker 3: It's amazing.
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  Speaker 4: Yeah.
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  Speaker 2: I mean, for people who don't remember, in 2005, Hurricane
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  Speaker 2: Katrina in August of 2005 killed more than 1,300 people,
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  Speaker 2: decimated the region, the Superdome, which was damaged as well.
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  Speaker 2: was actually a shelter for a long time. A lot
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  Speaker 2: of stuff went on. Steve Gleason was 29 years old
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  Speaker 2: at the time, kind of a core special teams guy, really,
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  Speaker 2: for the most part with the Saints at that point.
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  Speaker 2: And of course, we know what's happened. He gets a
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  Speaker 2: block punt, phenomenal emotion. And then, of course, for the last, what,
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  Speaker 2: decade plus, Steve Gleason has been battling ALS and been
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  Speaker 2: a massive advocate for that disease, that horrific disease. So Yeah,
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  Speaker 2: there will be some emotion in the building tonight, no
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  Speaker 2: doubt about it.
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  Speaker 4: Actually, my wife and I, usually when we go on vacation,
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  Speaker 4: we like to put an audio book on for some
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  Speaker 4: of it. We did Gleason's book. It was really, really good.
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  Speaker 4: I think it was done with Jeff Duncan, who's covered
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  Speaker 4: the Saints and New Orleans for a long time. It
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  Speaker 4: was just really good and a little bit of a
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  Speaker 4: tough upbringing for him, but it's cool for people from
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  Speaker 4: around here because he was in Spokane, so you know
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  Speaker 4: the You know the lay of the land. You know
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  Speaker 4: the references better than you would if it was from
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  Speaker 4: somewhere else.
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  Speaker 2: His mom was a longtime Wazoo employee. I think she
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  Speaker 2: was the academic advisor, I believe, for the athletic department
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  Speaker 2: for a long time, right, as well?
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  Speaker 4: Yeah.
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  Speaker 2: So there's a lot of connections there along the way.
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  Speaker 2: I did not mention this today. I do want to
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  Speaker 2: get to it because you wrote about it, and I
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  Speaker 2: thought what you said was bang on. Vinod Khosla, the
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  Speaker 2: Seahawks player, matriarchal winner, I guess there's kind of, it's
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  Speaker 2: kind of patriarch, patriarch, patriarch, my fault. Uh, there's a
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  Speaker 2: kind of three hit a monster, uh, husband, wife, son,
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  Speaker 2: but he, he, he did an interview, uh, with, with
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  Speaker 2: a newsletter, a political newsletter, I guess it is, or
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  Speaker 2: something on, on Friday. Never say never was his quote
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  Speaker 2: about would the Seahawks ever move. And then he doubled
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  Speaker 2: down over the weekend and not doubled down. Then he
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  Speaker 2: came out and said, well, kind of blame the media for,
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  Speaker 2: for twisting his words. I, I, I know how most
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  Speaker 2: Seahawks fans felt. I saw our reaction on the text
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  Speaker 2: line when we read the story. People were going ballistic.
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  Speaker 2: He kind of blamed the reporters. What's your read on this, Mike?
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  Speaker 4: I think he needs to come hang out with the
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  Speaker 4: fans more. I think it's just hard to understand what
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  Speaker 4: fans go through. I know he's a fan of the
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  Speaker 4: Steelers or whatever, but when you've been around here and
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  Speaker 4: you've had great ownership for a while that you didn't
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  Speaker 4: take for granted because it was off and on, good
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  Speaker 4: before and bad, and the team almost left, you are
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  Speaker 4: really looking for cues from the new owner. You're worried
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  Speaker 4: when a new owner comes in, are they going to
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  Speaker 4: be bad? Cause you've had a good, and you know
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  Speaker 4: what bad is the Sonics. We're trying to get a team.
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  Speaker 4: We're trying to get an NBA team back here. You
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  Speaker 4: know shoot. My kids were, you know, my kids are
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  Speaker 4: grown now. They were, you know, in grade school when
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  Speaker 4: the Sonics were here. And so to, to talk about
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  Speaker 4: that callously and cat casually and then to just sort
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  Speaker 4: of die on the Hill of, Hey, I didn't really
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  Speaker 4: mean it. I'm going to call it the media when
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  Speaker 4: they twist it. No, I think, you got to be
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  Speaker 4: careful as the owner and considerate of your fans.
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  Speaker 1: Yes.
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  Speaker 4: And I think that was tone deaf, really. I've been
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  Speaker 4: impressed by the owners, you know, from what I've seen,
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  Speaker 4: but this was the first thing that I was like, okay,
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  Speaker 4: you know, once they get ramped up and, you know,
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  Speaker 4: have a better feel or the team struggles, is he
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  Speaker 4: going to have the answers? Does he know it? Does
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  Speaker 4: he know Bettisd? Yes. Yes.
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  Speaker 2: That's a little bit worrisome to me. I just, I,
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  Speaker 2: everything you said, I agree with. And I hate, I just,
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  Speaker 2: I guess this is the media person in me, but
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  Speaker 2: I mean, it's just such an easy thing to do.
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  Speaker 2: His quote, feel sad for the reporters looking for views
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  Speaker 2: and clicks who distort my answer out of context and
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  Speaker 2: sent an entire city into a spiral for no reason. Well,
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  Speaker 2: there is a reason you just mentioned it. And I'll
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  Speaker 2: go back. I mean, George Argyris and the Mariners tried
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  Speaker 2: to move to Tampa. That was being discussed for years
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  Speaker 2: before the Smolian bought the team and then later, you know, Nintendo.
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  Speaker 2: And then obviously the Seahawks moved for a day or
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  Speaker 2: two to Long Beach and, and we know what happened
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  Speaker 2: with the Sonic. So understand, as you said, Mike, spend
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  Speaker 2: some time with the fans, understand the landscape and don't,
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  Speaker 2: the reporters didn't twist anything. That's what you said. Never
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  Speaker 2: say never. That's a very, a very simple thing is
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  Speaker 2: just to say, no, we're not moving the team or no,
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  Speaker 2: we have no plans to move the team, whatever it
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  Speaker 2: might be. That that's on you.
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  Speaker 4: I just say for this thing from our minds, we're
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  Speaker 4: just getting here.
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  Speaker 1: Yes.
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  Speaker 4: Yes. We realized this was a great team. And he
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  Speaker 4: said some of those things, you know, it's just, I
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  Speaker 4: don't know. You know, if I was thinking of an
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  Speaker 4: analogy like this, if, if, If somebody came up to
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  Speaker 4: 10 people and asked them, what are you doing this weekend?
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  Speaker 4: Most of them would just say, you know, we got
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  Speaker 4: some plans. We're doing this. There's going to be one
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  Speaker 4: guy who goes, I don't know if the world doesn't exist, then,
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  Speaker 4: you know, who knows what we're doing? You know? And
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  Speaker 4: it's like, okay, dude, you're not smarter than everybody. Like
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  Speaker 4: that's like, it's like that type of an answer. I
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  Speaker 4: can't say what's going to happen in 500 years. Yep.
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  Speaker 1: Yep.
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  Speaker 3: Oh, okay.
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  Speaker 4: Hey, uh, Ian, you're going to be there for your kids.
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  Speaker 3: Oh, I don't know.
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  Speaker 4: You can't predict the future.
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  Speaker 3: Well, no, say yes.
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  Speaker 2: Yes. If the future.
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  Speaker 4: Changes for some reason and you can't be with your kids,
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  Speaker 4: then you won't. But just say yes.
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  Speaker 2: Just say yes. It's very simple how to work it. And,
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  Speaker 2: you know, somebody mentioned, a few people mentioned, hey, media training,
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  Speaker 2: what have you. And he's like, I'm against media training. Like, well,
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  Speaker 2: there's like a good PR staff and a good PR person.
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  Speaker 2: You know, we've talked about this with Mike Holmgren over
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  Speaker 2: the years, you know, and to this day, it's still what,
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  Speaker 2: I'm assuming a lot of teams do, but Gary Wright,
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  Speaker 2: Mike Holmgren always says, I've come out of this game
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  Speaker 2: and Gary Wright would pull me aside and calm me down.
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  Speaker 2: But then he would say, you're going to be asked
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  Speaker 2: this and this, and here's how you answer it. And
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  Speaker 2: just kind of a little bit of Dave Pearson does
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  Speaker 2: a great job now, did it with Pete, does it
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  Speaker 2: with Mike McDonald, does it mean it's going to be perfect?
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  Speaker 2: Mike McDonald, I think you wrote about this earlier. Perfect
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  Speaker 2: way to do it. Like, yeah, I shouldn't have said
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  Speaker 2: those things with Graham Bensinger.
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  Speaker 3: Whatever. That's on me. He got burned.
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  Speaker 2: Right, I got burned.
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  Speaker 4: He was in a much better position to blame the
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  Speaker 4: media because that sort of looked like a setup, right?
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  Speaker 4: The camera was way in the corner and it looked
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  Speaker 4: kind of weird. And just knowing Mike McDonald, you don't
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  Speaker 4: think he would go on camera and say that. It
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  Speaker 4: sounded like one of those things you're just kind of
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  Speaker 4: shooting the breeze, right?
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  Speaker 1: Yep.
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  Speaker 4: He could have easily played the media card. And I
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  Speaker 4: would have said, you know, there's some credence to that. But,
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  Speaker 4: you know, he didn't. He said, I'm responsible for what
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  Speaker 4: I say. I got to be better. Awesome. I mean,
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  Speaker 4: people just love that. They love that. When you're a leader,
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  Speaker 4: be accountable. Because you know there's going to be a
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  Speaker 4: time when some player on the team says something that
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  Speaker 4: the team wishes he didn't say about an opponent or
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  Speaker 4: about something. And they've got to be able to own it.
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  Speaker 4: And it's easier to make them own it when you
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  Speaker 4: own it.
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  Speaker 2: Very much so. Mike Sandoz joining us for courtesy of
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  Speaker 2: Hunt Services from The Athletic, theathletic.com. We talked about EPA
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  Speaker 2: last night, expected points added. Tell me this, Mike, how
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  Speaker 2: do the Seahawks get over 30 points a couple times
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  Speaker 2: this season with negative offensive EPA in those games?
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  Speaker 4: Because they're so good on defense and sometimes special teams.
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  Speaker 4: They really are. And that's why, you know, when your
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  Speaker 4: offense is giving short fields, like they did in the
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  Speaker 4: Washington game, or your offense is, you know, the first
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  Speaker 4: play of the game is an interception. and you had
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  Speaker 4: some struggles, and you're taking advantage of big issues on
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  Speaker 4: special teams to get great field position, your offense isn't
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  Speaker 4: the reason why you won the game. And so the
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  Speaker 4: EPA does a pretty good job of showing that, and
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  Speaker 4: that's why I like to look at it. And especially
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  Speaker 4: for games I didn't see, it's very helpful to look
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  Speaker 4: and be like, ooh, okay, I can kind of get
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  Speaker 4: a feel for how that went.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, and they were plus 8.8 EPA against Chargers and
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  Speaker 2: special teams. That probably had to do a lot with
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  Speaker 2: that muff punt, right? Muff punt, huge.
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  Speaker 1: Yes.
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  Speaker 3: Huge.
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  Speaker 4: Yep, and so the offense benefits from that, but they
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  Speaker 4: didn't really work for it.
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  Speaker 2: The 49ers are rolling right now.
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  Speaker 1: Now.
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  Speaker 2: Seattle's got them this weekend. Is Seattle's run game, especially
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  Speaker 2: going against the best opponent they will have seen so far,
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  Speaker 2: is Seattle's run game a concern? It is.
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  Speaker 4: One of the funny things yesterday when I was writing
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  Speaker 4: about this, the NSC West and the top three teams,
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  Speaker 4: I went to look at the rushing yards yesterday, and
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  Speaker 4: I believe that Seattle's rusher had the most of anyone
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  Speaker 4: between the 49ers and the Rams for rushing yards. It
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  Speaker 4: didn't feel that way. I think they've got– they're running
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  Speaker 4: the ball a lot, but they are really not an
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  Speaker 4: explosive running team right now. And so one of the
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  Speaker 4: issues playing the 49ers, their defense has a lot of injuries,
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  Speaker 4: but they've done a good job of taking away the
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  Speaker 4: explosive plays. And I just don't know where Seattle's going
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  Speaker 4: to get those in the run game now that we saw–
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  Speaker 4: Shahid get involved on a play and Mike McDonald, I
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  Speaker 4: thought was great saying, I've been wanting to see that.
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  Speaker 4: Thank you. Like we did it in practice, but I
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  Speaker 4: think I really want to see how Brian Flurry, the
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  Speaker 4: offensive coordinator, you know, what sort of answers and wrinkles
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  Speaker 4: he has to try to try to prop this up.
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  Speaker 4: Fascinating this week because both staffs know each other so well,
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  Speaker 4: they're going to be, you know, they're going to know
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  Speaker 4: what's coming possibly. So you're going to have to have
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  Speaker 4: a good plan.
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  Speaker 2: I heard yesterday something. I was driving in to do
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  Speaker 2: the hockey game, and I was listening to the NFL radio,
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  Speaker 2: and kind of their whip around, kind of like the
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  Speaker 2: radio version of the Red Zone, and I heard the
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  Speaker 2: stat like, oh, Purdy still hasn't been sacked yet. The
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  Speaker 2: game was still going on. I'm like, that's weird, hasn't
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  Speaker 2: been sacked yet today. I thought, okay. Then I read
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  Speaker 2: your story today. Brock Purdy has yet to be sacked
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  Speaker 2: this season. Mike, we're four games in. We're four games in.
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  Speaker 2: How can that be?
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  Speaker 4: And the other thing is, it's not like they're handing
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  Speaker 4: it off to Christian McCaffrey every play. His touches are
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  Speaker 4: down quite a bit from last year. Yes, they are.
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  Speaker 4: No one this century has started a season with more
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  Speaker 4: pass plays as a quarterback without getting sacked. It's 122.
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  Speaker 4: I think next is Peyton Manning way back when, 114.
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  Speaker 4: And Peyton Manning was great at getting the ball out.
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  Speaker 4: He knows what's happening out there. Well, Hurdy's not Peyton Manning,
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  Speaker 4: but he is a great anticipator, and he can get
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  Speaker 4: the ball out. So I think this is a great test.
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  Speaker 4: Seattle sort of had his number more often than not,
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  Speaker 4: but he's hotter than he's been too. And it's earlier
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  Speaker 4: in the year when the 49ers still have Kittle and
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  Speaker 4: some of their guys who tend to wear down late
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  Speaker 4: in the year.
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  Speaker 2: The fun thing about we're not quite, I mean, I
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  Speaker 2: think it's like 23 because it's 17 game schedule math,
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  Speaker 2: but like 23% through the season so far, as I
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  Speaker 2: say that, kind of look around the league and the surprises,
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  Speaker 2: both good and the surprises that aren't good. Let me
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  Speaker 2: start with one. The Cleveland Browns are three and one.
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  Speaker 2: Most would have said, hey, four games in, what do
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  Speaker 2: you think the Browns record is and who is their quarterback?
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  Speaker 2: I don't know if many people would have said three
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  Speaker 2: and one and it's still Deshaun Watson.
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  Speaker 3: Not at all.
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  Speaker 4: Not only that, Watson's had decent production, decent statistical production
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  Speaker 4: after being really the worst producing quarterback in the league
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  Speaker 4: over his previous, I believe four seasons, only 19 games,
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  Speaker 4: but four seasons there. So it's surprising. I think you
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  Speaker 4: have to give Todd Monken credit. You know, I think he's,
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  Speaker 4: you weren't really sure when you kind of heard him
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  Speaker 4: shooting from the hip, you know, in his press conferences
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  Speaker 4: and stuff, is this really a head coach, but I
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  Speaker 4: think he's breathed some life into them. And then Watson,
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  Speaker 4: you know, is a hard one to root for, isn't he?
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  Speaker 4: It's just, he's never really been contrite about all of his,
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  Speaker 4: issues and he he's just kind of wanted to get
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  Speaker 4: you know everybody back in everybody's good graces without that
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  Speaker 4: yet he's playing better you have to admit it he
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  Speaker 4: is playing better right now and so they're three and
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  Speaker 4: one leading the uh afc north i don't know if
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  Speaker 4: that's going to hold up probably not but uh shoot
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  Speaker 4: he's playing at least good enough to be in the
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  Speaker 4: games and have a chance to win and That's way
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  Speaker 4: better than what they've had at that position since Baker Mayfield.
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  Speaker 2: Historically speaking, you know, there's always a number that we hear,
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  Speaker 2: the 0-2 number. If you start 0-2, you know, I
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  Speaker 2: think it's 20, it's around 20% chance to make the postseason.
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  Speaker 2: I think it's gone up in the last couple of years.
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  Speaker 2: I think a couple of teams have overcome that along
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  Speaker 2: the way. But by and large, 0-2, it's a hard climb.
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  Speaker 2: Even with 17 games, it's a hard climb. Mike, is
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  Speaker 2: it 0-4? Like, is there any chance for two teams
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  Speaker 2: named Tampa Bay and Houston at 0-4, maybe even the Chargers,
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  Speaker 2: to find their way to the postseason?
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  Speaker 4: I mean, you really don't think so. You'd have to
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  Speaker 4: look at the capacity of a team to get hot.
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  Speaker 4: And I do think that you would think the Chargers
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  Speaker 4: or the Texans at least could get hot, but they're
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  Speaker 4: about as cold as can be. So I'm definitely taking
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  Speaker 4: the no playoffs for all of those teams. They just
• 14:34
  Speaker 4: seem like they haven't figured anything out yet.
• 14:37
  Speaker 2: The Houston one is interesting to me. So yesterday, this is,
• 14:41
  Speaker 2: and I kind of, in some ways, maybe they're similar
• 14:43
  Speaker 2: to Seattle, right? They're kind of a, a defensive-minded head coach,
• 14:46
  Speaker 2: a defense that everyone believes is an elite defense, one
• 14:48
  Speaker 2: of the best in the league. You always hear defensive
• 14:52
  Speaker 2: guys say, hey, we want to have the ability to
• 14:55
  Speaker 2: put a team away at the end. Offenses will say
• 14:57
  Speaker 2: we want to just run the ball and run the
• 14:58
  Speaker 2: clock out and all that, but over the years, talking
• 15:01
  Speaker 2: to some of those great Seahawks defenses, guys would say, hey,
• 15:04
  Speaker 2: that's how we want it. We want to be out
• 15:06
  Speaker 2: there to finish things off, and you give us a lead,
• 15:08
  Speaker 2: we'll take care of the rest. Houston had that yesterday, Mike.
• 15:11
  Speaker 2: They had that against the Dallas Cowboys. A Cowboys defense
• 15:15
  Speaker 2: has always kind of had question marks, right? And instead...
• 15:18
  Speaker 2: the Houston defense gives up the game-winning touchdown drive in
• 15:21
  Speaker 2: the final couple minutes. I mean, that's, when you say
• 15:24
  Speaker 2: who has the capacity, right, to take that next step, well,
• 15:28
  Speaker 2: Houston would have to have that, and they haven't shown
• 15:30
  Speaker 2: that yet.
• 15:31
  Speaker 4: They really haven't. I think also, you know, Dallas is
• 15:33
  Speaker 4: just a really good offense. They've been good. They've been
• 15:35
  Speaker 4: a little up and down, but they really have talent,
• 15:38
  Speaker 4: a wide receiver. Obviously, CeeDee Lamb wanted to catch 17
• 15:40
  Speaker 4: passes in the game. So, you know, Dak Prescott's a
• 15:44
  Speaker 4: good quarterback. So, That's an offense that could really get going.
• 15:47
  Speaker 4: I was actually surprised. It was 16-6 Houston at halftime.
• 15:51
  Speaker 4: And that wasn't– I was like, what? You know, only
• 15:53
  Speaker 4: six points. Maybe they're getting it back. But they haven't
• 15:55
  Speaker 4: been able to put together, you know, a complete game
• 15:57
  Speaker 4: that way. Now, they've also played Buffalo with Josh Allen,
• 16:00
  Speaker 4: you know, and they've played now, you know, a really
• 16:02
  Speaker 4: good Dallas offense. So, it's tough to win in the league.
• 16:07
  Speaker 4: We saw that even with Seattle yesterday of 27-6. You
• 16:09
  Speaker 4: didn't feel great about it in the end.
• 16:11
  Speaker 2: No, not with Herbert with the ball in his hands,
• 16:13
  Speaker 2: turning it by seven with some time to go. But yeah,
• 16:15
  Speaker 2: obviously the sack fumble ended things off. By the way,
• 16:18
  Speaker 2: for folks thinking that maybe JSN didn't have the statistical
• 16:23
  Speaker 2: game that he normally does yesterday, but if you think
• 16:24
  Speaker 2: JSN's getting heavy targets, how about CeeDee Lamb? Mike mentioned
• 16:28
  Speaker 2: 17 receptions on 21 targets, Mike. 21, 21, like is
• 16:34
  Speaker 2: Mike Leach, is this the air raid? What are we
• 16:35
  Speaker 2: doing here? And I bring that up. Javante Williams had
• 16:38
  Speaker 2: 19 carries. It's not like they didn't run the ball.
• 16:42
  Speaker 4: At all. No, not at all. See, what I would
• 16:44
  Speaker 4: do with great talents like that, I would be showing
• 16:47
  Speaker 4: him like people on the broadcast talking about JSN being
• 16:50
  Speaker 4: the great and being maybe the best receiver now. And
• 16:52
  Speaker 4: they get a guy like CeeDee Lamb going, you know,
• 16:54
  Speaker 4: because he's a great talent. He really is a great talent.
• 16:57
  Speaker 4: And when you feed him, man, good things happen.
• 17:00
  Speaker 2: Pickens only had three targets and two catches in the game,
• 17:03
  Speaker 2: but one of them was a 53-yarder. So that works
• 17:05
  Speaker 2: out okay along the way. Mike Sando with us, joining
• 17:09
  Speaker 2: us here on the Beacon Plumbing Hotline. All right, before
• 17:11
  Speaker 2: I let you go, how about our guys, the Raiders?
• 17:16
  Speaker 2: I mean, I still think that's one of the better
• 17:18
  Speaker 2: stories in the league. And yes, they didn't come away
• 17:21
  Speaker 2: with a win yesterday, but they fall just short 30-27.
• 17:23
  Speaker 2: Are they for real?
• 17:26
  Speaker 4: I think that they are now able and they're going
• 17:29
  Speaker 4: to beat the bad teams. They're no longer the team
• 17:31
  Speaker 4: that everyone's looking to play. I think they've gotten as
• 17:34
  Speaker 4: much respect as we had for Pete Carroll. He had
• 17:37
  Speaker 4: a really mismatched staff last year with Chip Kelly and
• 17:40
  Speaker 4: Patrick Graham as his coordinators that weren't really his guys.
• 17:43
  Speaker 4: And then I think it really hurt him to have his,
• 17:45
  Speaker 4: you know, he had his sons in very prominent roles,
• 17:47
  Speaker 4: including offensive line coach. They just couldn't get on the
• 17:50
  Speaker 4: same page. And I think Clint Kubiak's gone in there.
• 17:53
  Speaker 4: and been able to get the staff he wants for
• 17:55
  Speaker 4: the most part. And they're all pulling together and they're really,
• 17:58
  Speaker 4: you know, you start to believe a little bit and
• 18:00
  Speaker 4: understand that your coach can put you in good positions
• 18:02
  Speaker 4: to win with a coach, by the way, in, in Kubiak,
• 18:06
  Speaker 4: who is a really good play caller. So he's going
• 18:07
  Speaker 4: to have answers right away for the offense. And you
• 18:09
  Speaker 4: have Kirk Cousins who surprising, I think he's been surprising
• 18:12
  Speaker 4: physically able to play the way he has, but knows
• 18:15
  Speaker 4: the system is a great fit for it. So it's
• 18:17
  Speaker 4: really been a best case scenario to me for the
• 18:19
  Speaker 4: Raiders and, I didn't think it would necessarily go this
• 18:22
  Speaker 4: way because of Cousins and just where he's at in
• 18:24
  Speaker 4: his career, age 38 or whatever. But I think you
• 18:27
  Speaker 4: just really have to appreciate what happens when a coaching
• 18:31
  Speaker 4: staff comes in and really meshes with a team.
• 18:35
  Speaker 2: I got one more for you. You made me think
• 18:36
  Speaker 2: of something, Mike, which that's what's good about having you on.
• 18:40
  Speaker 2: You talked about the play calling, and Chicago's gone through
• 18:42
  Speaker 2: three quarterbacks this season, yet they're 3-1. One of those games,
• 18:45
  Speaker 2: the one loss was weird. They come off historic points
• 18:48
  Speaker 2: in the first one, give up in maybe weather conditions
• 18:50
  Speaker 2: in the next one, had six. But whether it's Kubiak
• 18:54
  Speaker 2: in Vegas or what Ben Johnson does in Chicago, Kyle
• 18:59
  Speaker 2: Shanahan in San Francisco, McVeigh, When you talk to guys,
• 19:04
  Speaker 2: maybe we need tiers for play callers next year as
• 19:06
  Speaker 2: well as quarterbacks, Mike. Because it feels like there may
• 19:09
  Speaker 2: be no more important thing in football right now than
• 19:12
  Speaker 2: who your play caller is. Hell, I'm looking at my
• 19:14
  Speaker 2: alma mater. Wazoo just changed their play callers today. Defensive
• 19:17
  Speaker 2: play caller in Colorado State quit halfway through the game
• 19:19
  Speaker 2: or halfway through the first quarter with Jim Mora. But
• 19:22
  Speaker 2: play calling is an art. Not everybody can do it.
• 19:24
  Speaker 4: And a system and having answers, really. I think that's
• 19:27
  Speaker 4: one of the things that's happened as the coaches have
• 19:30
  Speaker 4: gotten a lot younger in the league. That's happened because
• 19:32
  Speaker 4: with technology, they can kind of learn the scheme faster
• 19:36
  Speaker 4: with the video. And so what happens is they don't
• 19:38
  Speaker 4: spend a lot of time coaching in college. So these
• 19:40
  Speaker 4: guys are all young. And what happens with youth is
• 19:44
  Speaker 4: you don't have experience. Experience is what lets you make
• 19:47
  Speaker 4: adjustments well. And so I think there's some of these
• 19:50
  Speaker 4: guys really in the sweet spots of Kyle Shanahan. Ben
• 19:56
  Speaker 4: Johnson's probably there too. They're kind of savants, but they're
• 20:00
  Speaker 4: not just, hey, I studied on video. They understand all
• 20:06
  Speaker 4: aspects of the system to have answers and be able
• 20:08
  Speaker 4: to adjust. So when Ben Johnson goes from Caleb Williams
• 20:12
  Speaker 4: to Case Keenum. You couldn't make a bigger shift in
• 20:15
  Speaker 4: style of play or experience. Or even then goes the
• 20:18
  Speaker 4: next year and plays Tyson Badgen, who's barely played before,
• 20:21
  Speaker 4: and does what he does. They had 34 first downs yesterday.
• 20:25
  Speaker 4: I mean, that is really special. And I think there's
• 20:27
  Speaker 4: never more, it doesn't seem like there's more than six
• 20:30
  Speaker 4: or eight of those types of guys on offense at
• 20:32
  Speaker 4: a time in the league. And maybe fewer, like Mike McDaniel,
• 20:36
  Speaker 4: people were maybe putting in that and he's not able
• 20:38
  Speaker 4: to do it now. Hasn't been able to do it,
• 20:40
  Speaker 4: but there's a short list of them that are really
• 20:43
  Speaker 4: great at it.
• 20:44
  Speaker 2: Mike, great stuff. Always appreciate these Monday conversations. We'll do
• 20:47
  Speaker 2: it again next week, my friend. Thank you.
• 20:49
  Speaker 4: Thank you.
• 20:50
  Speaker 2: That's Mike Sando from The Athletic. Check out his pick
• 20:52
  Speaker 2: six column at theathletic.com. The NFL tab is usually on
• 20:55
  Speaker 2: the front page there. Good stuff. Good to around the
• 20:57
  Speaker 2: NFL as well. We'll take a break.
• 20:58
  Speaker 3: Come back.
• 20:59
  Speaker 2: Factor Fiction and your text messages are coming up next.
• 21:05
  Speaker 5: Hello, hello. Beautiful Monday over here in Spokane. For the
• 21:09
  Speaker 5: Seahawks owner, I wish that Neil, the younger son, was
• 21:14
  Speaker 5: the mouthpiece for the Seahawks. He's very intelligent. He talks very,
• 21:20
  Speaker 5: very well. He's young. He's energetic. I think he needs
• 21:24
  Speaker 5: to take reins from his father immediately and be the
• 21:29
  Speaker 5: sole mouthpiece for the Seahawks ownership.
• 21:32
  Speaker 2: Later. I understand what you're saying. Here's the problem. No
• 21:36
  Speaker 2: one's going to tell the billionaire patriarch of the family
• 21:40
  Speaker 2: when he can and can't go on social media. Yeah,
• 21:42
  Speaker 2: you can't speak anymore.
• 21:45
  Speaker 3: Yeah.
• 21:46
  Speaker 2: We're talking about uncharted waters here for us. Yeah. Because
• 21:49
  Speaker 2: we went from Paul Allen and Jody Allen never saying
• 21:52
  Speaker 2: anything publicly to people that are owning the team that
• 21:56
  Speaker 2: are active on social media, which... Last I checked, does
• 22:01
  Speaker 2: sometimes get you in trouble. Well, and actively doing interviews.
• 22:03
  Speaker 2: I could be wrong. Yeah, doing interviews. Yeah. I could
• 22:05
  Speaker 2: be wrong. No, you're right. Sometimes on social media, you
• 22:08
  Speaker 2: can get in trouble. Am I right? Yes, you are correct.
• 22:11
  Speaker 2: Sometimes you say things or tweet things and you go, oh,
• 22:13
  Speaker 2: I shouldn't do that. And then sometimes you leave it up.
• 22:17
  Speaker 2: Or then you don't. Instead of delete it. Or then
• 22:19
  Speaker 2: you don't. Or then you don't. Then you delete it later.
• 22:22
  Speaker 4: Yeah.
• 22:22
  Speaker 2: Sometimes. Sometimes. But you got to be a billionaire to
• 22:25
  Speaker 2: have that kind of juice. Mm-hmm. Ain't nobody telling him
• 22:27
  Speaker 2: what to do. That's what it is. Just don't blame
• 22:30
  Speaker 2: the media. That's the cop-out that I don't like. God,
• 22:34
  Speaker 2: it's just such a lazy thing to do. It's like, oh,
• 22:36
  Speaker 2: it's the media's fault. They're looking for clicks. No, dude,
• 22:38
  Speaker 2: you said never say never. Did you say it or
• 22:41
  Speaker 2: did you not say it? You said never say never
• 22:43
  Speaker 2: in a city that lost an NBA franchise that had
• 22:46
  Speaker 2: been here for 41 years. Yeah. And you're owning a
• 22:50
  Speaker 2: franchise that tried to move 30-something years ago.
• 22:54
  Speaker 6: And if you're mad or you didn't say it, then
• 22:56
  Speaker 6: sue Axios because they put in the article that you
• 22:59
  Speaker 6: said it.
• 22:59
  Speaker 2: Exactly. Exactly.
• 23:01
  Speaker 6: That's not general media problem.
• 23:03
  Speaker 2: Yes. We're just reporting what you said there. Yeah. This
• 23:07
  Speaker 2: is what you said. We didn't put the words in
• 23:08
  Speaker 2: your mouth. This is not an us problem. It's a
• 23:11
  Speaker 2: you problem.
• 23:12
  Speaker 4: Yes.
• 23:12
  Speaker 2: But the problem is you don't see it as a problem,
• 23:14
  Speaker 2: so it ain't a you problem. It's just a problem. Correct. Yeah,
• 23:16
  Speaker 2: that's a good way to put it.
• 23:18
  Speaker 3: Next.
• 23:18
  Speaker 2: Next.
• 23:18
  Speaker 7: Ian Jess, Anders Jackson, Fantasy Feltz here! Anders totally said
• 23:21
  Speaker 7: factual last time, botching a key punchline.
• 23:23
  Speaker 2: Nevertheless, here's the fantasy.
• 23:24
  Speaker 6: She lays down.
• 23:25
  Speaker 4: I do too.
• 23:25
  Speaker 6: She asks me to leave.
• 23:26
  Speaker 4: Just realize I'm in football.
• 23:27
  Speaker 7: But just in case, I'll just rest on the text
• 23:28
  Speaker 7: line until Ashley blocks me, Safjian blocks me, and Ian
• 23:31
  Speaker 7: holds me.
• 23:31
  Speaker 3: No stress, Jess.
• 23:32
  Speaker 7: The rest of the other scene will be acted out
• 23:33
  Speaker 7: on episode four of How Smetsha Matter. Fall time equals
• 23:35
  Speaker 7: ball time. Featuring a new segment, Furious Fantasy Football Device
• 23:38
  Speaker 7: Law 2026.
• 23:39
  Speaker 2: Mike, Ricky, Ron, you can text me directly. The number's 1-800-911.
• 23:42
  Speaker 3: Fulton's out.
• 23:43
  Speaker 2: Feltz, he's in.
• 23:43
  Speaker 3: Catch me outside.
• 23:44
  Speaker 2: This week's advice, Mariners suck. Sounders at 730!
• 23:48
  Speaker 6: I had to listen to that about seven times to
• 23:49
  Speaker 6: make sure there was no swear words in it. I
• 23:51
  Speaker 6: was like, what is this person saying?
• 23:53
  Speaker 2: It's amazing. That's, was it Furious Fantasy Felts now?
• 23:57
  Speaker 3: Yes.
• 23:58
  Speaker 2: Okay, so Furious Fantasy Felts. Yeah. We've just had Furious Felts.
• 24:03
  Speaker 2: We've had FIFA Felts. Yes. Yeah, there's a number of
• 24:06
  Speaker 2: felts that will call in.
• 24:07
  Speaker 3: I like it.
• 24:09
  Speaker 2: That's another classic. I like it. I liked, God, is
• 24:12
  Speaker 2: there any way you can save that?
• 24:14
  Speaker 6: Uh, yeah.
• 24:14
  Speaker 2: I want to play that for Funston, Ricky, and all
• 24:16
  Speaker 2: the rest since he mentioned all those guys on Thursday.
• 24:19
  Speaker 4: Yes, he did.
• 24:19
  Speaker 2: I want to get that for those guys.
• 24:21
  Speaker 3: Okay.
• 24:22
  Speaker 2: You got it.
• 24:23
  Speaker 4: I'll save it.
• 24:24
  Speaker 2: Oh, God. That was good. Text line. I'll get to
• 24:27
  Speaker 2: the text. 49451. Oh, somebody mentioned, how about losing the pilots?
• 24:32
  Speaker 3: Yeah, sure.
• 24:33
  Speaker 2: Okay. I'll give you that. I'll dance with you there.
• 24:37
  Speaker 2: I'll get you there. 49451. Let's see. Can I actually
• 24:45
  Speaker 2: read here? A lot of people mad about Pat Chun
• 24:49
  Speaker 2: or Jed Fish.
• 24:51
  Speaker 4: I get it.
• 24:51
  Speaker 2: I'm mad about Kirby Moore and his play caller. We
• 24:54
  Speaker 2: replaced his play caller today.
• 24:57
  Speaker 4: I get you.
• 24:57
  Speaker 2: I feel you. We're all It's one thing the Husky
• 24:59
  Speaker 2: and Cougar fans can feel. We're all mad about our
• 25:01
  Speaker 2: football team right now. Yeah, we can all be angry together.
• 25:02
  Speaker 2: At least you guys have more than one win. Didn't
• 25:04
  Speaker 2: lose to Fresno State at home on Dad's weekend.
• 25:06
  Speaker 3: By a lot.
• 25:07
  Speaker 1: You know?
• 25:07
  Speaker 2: I mean, that's better, right? That's better than we have.
• 25:12
  Speaker 2: I mean, Ashley, if I was you, I'd just claim
• 25:13
  Speaker 2: USC right now. I felt gross after that game. Talked
• 25:17
  Speaker 2: about the stuff earlier. I'm a season ticket holder for
• 25:19
  Speaker 2: the Huskies. About $ 500 for tickets and $ 500 for donation.
• 25:22
  Speaker 2: That's all they're getting from me. Somebody else says 425.
• 25:25
  Speaker 2: I'm not giving a dime anymore. I'm a college football fan.
• 25:27
  Speaker 2: I'm not a college football bank officer. There's a lot
• 25:30
  Speaker 2: of those texts today. We talked about that at the.
• 25:32
  Speaker 4: Start of the show.
• 25:33
  Speaker 2: You know, like I was mentioning to Hugh, the return
• 25:35
  Speaker 2: on investment is just not there.
• 25:38
  Speaker 3: Right.
• 25:39
  Speaker 2: And so then you come back and say, hey, you
• 25:41
  Speaker 2: know what? You're a bad fan. You're not donating enough. Well,
• 25:43
  Speaker 2: I donated and your quarterback's not good or your wide
• 25:45
  Speaker 2: receiver's not good or your running back's not good or
• 25:47
  Speaker 2: the coach isn't good. Whatever.
• 25:48
  Speaker 3: Whatever.
• 25:49
  Speaker 2: There's no other sport that tells you you have to
• 25:51
  Speaker 2: spend money to be a good fan outside of going
• 25:53
  Speaker 2: to games and tickets.
• 25:54
  Speaker 5: Right.
• 25:55
  Speaker 2: It's true. Like Jerry DiPoto. And if you're not, you're
• 25:57
  Speaker 2: not supporting the team.
• 25:58
  Speaker 3: Yeah.
• 25:59
  Speaker 2: You don't want them to succeed. Jerry doesn't come out
• 26:02
  Speaker 2: and say, yay, you guys gave me more money.
• 26:05
  Speaker 4: Yeah.
• 26:06
  Speaker 2: Cal and Josh wouldn't have had more, just had surgery.
• 26:09
  Speaker 2: By the way, I didn't mention that earlier. Josh Naylor
• 26:12
  Speaker 2: and Cal Raleigh just had postseason surgeries, shoulder and wrist
• 26:16
  Speaker 2: for Cal and Josh respectively. Both should be ready to
• 26:18
  Speaker 2: go by spring. Wow. Spring training might be in July,
• 26:21
  Speaker 2: but those days should both be ready. Naylor must be fine.
• 26:23
  Speaker 2: He was at the cracking game last night. Yeah, he
• 26:24
  Speaker 2: was wearing his jersey. Yeah, he was at the cracking
• 26:26
  Speaker 2: game last night.
• 26:26
  Speaker 3: He was fine.
• 26:27
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  Speaker 2: Alrighty, sir, ma'am, people, everyone involved.
• 26:55
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• 26:57
  Speaker 2: Somebody asked about recapping. I'll do that in a second.
• 26:59
  Speaker 2: Let me just give you the pick so we get
• 27:00
  Speaker 2: that out there, and I'll tell you why in a second.
• 27:02
  Speaker 2: But I'm going Cleveland plus one and a half at
• 27:05
  Speaker 2: the New York Jets. Cleveland plus one and a half
• 27:06
  Speaker 2: at the New York Jets. Somebody said, hey, can we
• 27:08
  Speaker 2: get a recap? I'll give you a recap because we
• 27:11
  Speaker 2: had a three and two. We had a winning week.
• 27:12
  Speaker 2: That's a winning week, Ashley. We had a winning week
• 27:15
  Speaker 2: last week. Let's go through the picks for us last week.
• 27:18
  Speaker 2: I had UW plus nine and a half at USC. Yeah,
• 27:21
  Speaker 2: that's a win. You know what? I was listening to
• 27:23
  Speaker 2: that thing on the way home. And all I was
• 27:26
  Speaker 2: thinking is, God, don't throw a pick six and blow my,
• 27:30
  Speaker 2: because they were a five, right? I'm like, God, don't
• 27:33
  Speaker 2: do that. Don't do that, DeMond. Don't fumble scoop score.
• 27:37
  Speaker 2: Don't do that again. You already did it once today.
• 27:39
  Speaker 2: Don't do it again. Just lose with grace under nine
• 27:42
  Speaker 2: and a half. Yeah, lose with grace and keep it
• 27:44
  Speaker 2: around the same score you're at. So I got a
• 27:45
  Speaker 2: win there.
• 27:46
  Speaker 3: Yep.
• 27:46
  Speaker 2: Ashley had Buffalo minus six and a half against New England.
• 27:49
  Speaker 2: I thought they were going to pull it off. Then
• 27:50
  Speaker 2: they blew it. That'd be fiction. You like that? I
• 27:53
  Speaker 2: like that pick too. Yeah.
• 27:54
  Speaker 1: Yeah.
• 27:55
  Speaker 2: I had a winner with Cleveland plus two and a
• 27:57
  Speaker 2: half against Pittsburgh. That's right. Thursday night football. You were chasing. Chasing.
• 28:02
  Speaker 2: And I just went with the Browns again. I didn't
• 28:04
  Speaker 2: realize that. I've gone two weeks in a row with
• 28:05
  Speaker 2: the Browns.
• 28:05
  Speaker 3: Yep.
• 28:06
  Speaker 2: You know what? If it's working. I like the stadium mustard.
• 28:10
  Speaker 2: If it ain't broke, don't fix it. I like the
• 28:11
  Speaker 2: stadium mustard.
• 28:12
  Speaker 3: That's right.
• 28:12
  Speaker 2: What can you do?
• 28:13
  Speaker 3: I get it.
• 28:13
  Speaker 2: Ashley got a fact. Raiders plus four and a half
• 28:16
  Speaker 2: against Kansas City.
• 28:17
  Speaker 4: And you know what?
• 28:18
  Speaker 2: You people only gave her a 47% approval rating. So 53%
• 28:22
  Speaker 2: of you guys didn't get it. Yeah. You all went
• 28:26
  Speaker 2: with Anders.
• 28:27
  Speaker 3: Yes.
• 28:28
  Speaker 2: Oh, that's right. You countered Anders. Or no, it was Kidd.
• 28:31
  Speaker 3: Kidd.
• 28:31
  Speaker 2: Four and a half.
• 28:32
  Speaker 5: Yeah.
• 28:32
  Speaker 2: Kansas City minus the four and a half. We'll get
• 28:35
  Speaker 2: to them in a second. Yeah. And then I lost
• 28:38
  Speaker 2: Florida minus four and a half against Mizzou. They were
• 28:40
  Speaker 2: never in it. Looking back, I'd probably pick that again.
• 28:44
  Speaker 2: I'm stunned how bad Florida was in that game. It
• 28:47
  Speaker 2: was terrible. Missouri just walloped him. Mizzou was really good,
• 28:52
  Speaker 2: but Florida was... That's 100% on me. I apologize to the...
• 28:57
  Speaker 2: I don't see what the approval was, but I apologize
• 28:59
  Speaker 2: to all those who picked that with me. I should
• 29:03
  Speaker 2: have known. I should have known, Ash. Oh, you don't,
• 29:06
  Speaker 2: there's no percentage. There's no percentage there. So maybe all
• 29:09
  Speaker 2: of you disagreed.
• 29:09
  Speaker 4: I don't know.
• 29:10
  Speaker 2: Who knows? Uh, so that's what it was. So we
• 29:11
  Speaker 2: have three and two week. That's a good week in
• 29:13
  Speaker 2: factor fiction brought to you by the lucky old casino
• 29:15
  Speaker 2: and hotel. Why are you texting factor fiction? Trying to
• 29:17
  Speaker 2: win a thousand dollar weekly prize, $ 10, 000 grand prize. Um,
• 29:20
  Speaker 2: the morning show, they went one in four. Chuck got
• 29:24
  Speaker 2: Texas tech minus 13 at Colorado, right? Picking against Dion's.
• 29:29
  Speaker 2: That's a good call. Yeah, I think so.
• 29:32
  Speaker 6: Especially cause they can't even hang on to their playbook.
• 29:33
  Speaker 4: Yeah.
• 29:34
  Speaker 2: Uh, Anders got a push, but that's a loss.
• 29:38
  Speaker 3: Yep.
• 29:39
  Speaker 2: With Seattle on the chart. Chris kid minus four and
• 29:41
  Speaker 2: a half Raiders actually beat him head up on that
• 29:43
  Speaker 2: one Chuck plus three and a half Washington plus three
• 29:46
  Speaker 2: and a half versus Indy that's a loss and Anders
• 29:50
  Speaker 2: minus Philadelphia minus three and a half Monday night against
• 29:52
  Speaker 2: Chicago that was a big loss early they took a
• 29:54
  Speaker 2: loss on the first day of the week good three
• 29:57
  Speaker 2: and two week For the Greg Bell show, Greg missed
• 30:01
  Speaker 2: the Army game. Jess, oh, yeah, three and two. Jess
• 30:05
  Speaker 2: got Chicago Jets right. She picked against her Jets and
• 30:08
  Speaker 2: got that one right. Greg picking Air Force minus three
• 30:12
  Speaker 2: versus Navy. That's like Ian picking the Huskies. Kind of
• 30:17
  Speaker 2: a win-win. They don't win, you're fine. Boy, the afternoon show,
• 30:22
  Speaker 2: you just wait until 335 with the next Factor Fiction.
• 30:25
  Speaker 2: They're going to be sticking their chest out big time. Oh, yeah,
• 30:27
  Speaker 2: getting all sorts of puffy. Softie was wrong with Houston
• 30:31
  Speaker 2: and Dallas. Houston minus 2.5 versus Dallas, but the rest
• 30:33
  Speaker 2: of them. Dick got his first two wins of the year.
• 30:36
  Speaker 4: He did.
• 30:37
  Speaker 2: Softie, by proxy, got Fresno State plus 1.5 against Wazoo.
• 30:42
  Speaker 3: That was an easy pick.
• 30:44
  Speaker 2: So, yeah, in honor of Jackson, I don't know who
• 30:46
  Speaker 2: made that pick. Denver was 49ers under 47.5. Oh, because
• 30:49
  Speaker 2: Jackson's going all unders this year.
• 30:51
  Speaker 7: Yes.
• 30:52
  Speaker 2: Yeah, so they haven't updated. Anders is probably taking a
• 30:54
  Speaker 2: nap right now because he has to get up early,
• 30:56
  Speaker 2: so who knows. But he hasn't updated the stands. We'll
• 30:57
  Speaker 2: get those tomorrow. But, yeah, so there you go. That's
• 31:00
  Speaker 2: the picks. My pick today, Browns. Browns plus one and
• 31:06
  Speaker 2: a half at the New York Jets. Gino. Gino. Gino
• 31:12
  Speaker 2: and Deshaun. I like Deshaun Watson in that matchup. Plus,
• 31:16
  Speaker 2: we just talked to Mike Sandel about the Browns and
• 31:18
  Speaker 2: how they're actually not bad. He's a football team. Jared
• 31:21
  Speaker 2: Verst and company on the defense. Todd Monken throwing out
• 31:24
  Speaker 2: F-bombs in press conferences about being Cleveland. Hey, man, he's
• 31:27
  Speaker 2: got them going. And the Jets, last I checked, aren't great.
• 31:31
  Speaker 2: I could be wrong with that. You're correct. Am I right?
• 31:33
  Speaker 2: You're correct. They're 1-3. Meanwhile, my Cleveland Browns are 3-1.
• 31:38
  Speaker 2: My Cleveland Browns. You are a proud member of that
• 31:40
  Speaker 2: dog pound. I told you I like the mustard. The
• 31:42
  Speaker 2: stadium mustard is solid. It's good. They also, yeah, I'm in, so.
• 31:47
  Speaker 2: Text FACT if you agree, 49451. If you disagree, FICTION49451.
• 31:50
  Speaker 2: You're trying to win a $ 1, 000 weekly prize, $ 10, 000 grand prize.
• 31:55
  Speaker 2: One more time. Browns, text FACT, plus one and a half, 49451.
• 31:59
  Speaker 2: If you disagree, FICTION49451. We'll be joined by the University
• 32:05
  Speaker 2: of Washington, Washington sideline reporter, Dave Mahler, next.
• 32:09
  Speaker 5: Ashley.
• 32:10
  Speaker 4: Ashley.
• 32:12
  Speaker 3: Yes, Ian.
• 32:13
  Speaker 2: Saturday night, after a cracking game, I'm driving across the
• 32:18
  Speaker 2: 520 floating bridge. I flip on 93.3 KJR FM. I
• 32:24
  Speaker 2: hear the Husky broadcast. Can you feel it now? I
• 32:30
  Speaker 2: didn't hear him, but I listened carefully, intently. The play-by-play
• 32:34
  Speaker 2: of Elyse Woodward, the expert analysis from one of the
• 32:39
  Speaker 2: pride of Skagit County, Cam Cleveland. Mm-hmm. And then some
• 32:43
  Speaker 2: other clown. I don't know who the other guy was.
• 32:45
  Speaker 3: Cedro Woolley.
• 32:46
  Speaker 4: Yeah.
• 32:46
  Speaker 2: Who was the other guy that I heard on that broadcast?
• 32:48
  Speaker 2: Who was the other person?
• 32:48
  Speaker 3: I don't know.
• 32:49
  Speaker 2: Move on. I don't know. Move on.
• 32:51
  Speaker 3: Move on. I heard.
• 32:53
  Speaker 2: It sounded familiar. I couldn't put... It wasn't Furious Feltz. Mm-hmm.
• 32:58
  Speaker 2: It wasn't even FIFA Feltz. Mm-hmm. No, I couldn't... It
• 33:03
  Speaker 2: sounded a little like Petros, but I knew it wasn't him.
• 33:06
  Speaker 3: I saw him Friday night.
• 33:08
  Speaker 2: It was Dave Softy Muller on the sideline. He said
• 33:12
  Speaker 2: at one point, it's hot.
• 33:13
  Speaker 3: Grab your nuts.
• 33:14
  Speaker 2: It's hot down here. He was talking about how hot
• 33:17
  Speaker 2: it was in Southern California.
• 33:18
  Speaker 4: I know how dick feels.
• 33:19
  Speaker 6: I'm regretting that I allow him to have this wall up.
• 33:24
  Speaker 2: Oh, goodness me.
• 33:25
  Speaker 3: So fun, though, right?
• 33:27
  Speaker 4: It was.
• 33:27
  Speaker 3: It's so fun.
• 33:28
  Speaker 2: No, it wasn't Petros. It wasn't any of those other folks.
• 33:30
  Speaker 2: Dave Softy. Let's go to the sideline to Softy. Elyse,
• 33:36
  Speaker 2: I'm looking in the eyes of DeMond Williams, and I
• 33:38
  Speaker 2: don't know what he was looking at there. That was
• 33:40
  Speaker 2: the quote.
• 33:40
  Speaker 3: I don't think I ever said that. That would have
• 33:42
  Speaker 3: been appropriate. I'll tell you what, though. I was looking
• 33:45
  Speaker 3: right down the sideline when USC got away with a
• 33:47
  Speaker 3: blatant offensive pass interference.
• 33:49
  Speaker 2: It was absurd. How did they not call that?
• 33:53
  Speaker 3: Because the line judge, I'll tell you exactly why. It
• 33:55
  Speaker 3: was unbelievable. Like the spot that I was in, actually,
• 33:59
  Speaker 3: I'm literally staring up the sideline towards the other end
• 34:02
  Speaker 3: of the stadium. And the line judge steps right in
• 34:05
  Speaker 3: front of me, throws a flag, and sees the back
• 34:07
  Speaker 3: of the receiver so he doesn't see the guy getting
• 34:10
  Speaker 3: grabbed by his shoulder. He was totally out of position
• 34:13
  Speaker 3: to make that call. You know what I wanted to do,
• 34:15
  Speaker 3: by the way, during that exact moment? And you guys
• 34:18
  Speaker 3: would know this because you're like me. You're older, seasoned.
• 34:22
  Speaker 4: Seasoned.
• 34:22
  Speaker 3: I wanted to pull a Dennis Hopper in Hoosiers. and
• 34:26
  Speaker 3: just run out on the field and go, you're not
• 34:28
  Speaker 3: in a position to make the call. You're going to die, right?
• 34:32
  Speaker 4: Oh, my God.
• 34:33
  Speaker 2: Because it was terrible.
• 34:34
  Speaker 3: I mean, it was just an awful, awful angle for
• 34:37
  Speaker 3: that guy to throw that flag.
• 34:38
  Speaker 2: Okay, that brings us to an interesting thought. I think
• 34:40
  Speaker 2: you heard Elise, by the way, going bananas. He's so
• 34:42
  Speaker 2: tantalizing when you look at his package. Oh, my God. Okay,
• 34:49
  Speaker 2: let me tell you something. That might be the worst
• 34:51
  Speaker 2: call I've ever seen. Until Saturday. Until that happened on Saturday.
• 34:56
  Speaker 3: That was pretty bad, man. Pretty bad.
• 34:58
  Speaker 2: As you're telling that story about the line judge, I'm
• 35:00
  Speaker 2: thinking to myself, that brings up the conversation we've had
• 35:02
  Speaker 2: a number of times with one Mike Holmgren, where you
• 35:05
  Speaker 2: ask him, I've asked him a lot of times, because
• 35:08
  Speaker 2: you're on the sideline in Green Bay.
• 35:09
  Speaker 3: Correct. Al Harris.
• 35:11
  Speaker 2: What if you had just taken three steps and tripped
• 35:15
  Speaker 2: Al Harris as he went down the sideline?
• 35:17
  Speaker 1: Right.
• 35:17
  Speaker 3: Well, I never would have gotten credentialed again for a
• 35:19
  Speaker 3: football game in my life. No, no. I would have
• 35:21
  Speaker 3: been on Letterman, though.
• 35:23
  Speaker 2: You would have been famous.
• 35:24
  Speaker 3: I would have been the answer to a trivia question.
• 35:27
  Speaker 3: That fat idiot in Green Bay that came off the
• 35:30
  Speaker 3: sideline and tripped up Al Harris in that playoff game.
• 35:33
  Speaker 3: Whatever happened to that guy? We actually looked into it.
• 35:36
  Speaker 3: There's some unforeseen circumstance rule that the NFL can implement,
• 35:43
  Speaker 3: and they would have awarded Al Harris a touchdown. So
• 35:46
  Speaker 3: it wouldn't have mattered anyway.
• 35:47
  Speaker 2: Well, you've still been famous.
• 35:49
  Speaker 3: More famous than I am now. That's assuming I'm famous.
• 35:53
  Speaker 2: You're famous. You're famous here.
• 35:54
  Speaker 3: I'm so famous.
• 35:55
  Speaker 4: So famous.
• 35:56
  Speaker 2: That game had a little more weight than this one, but.
• 36:00
  Speaker 3: The Packer game?
• 36:01
  Speaker 1: Yeah.
• 36:02
  Speaker 3: Oh, for sure. Hey, how much time have you spent
• 36:05
  Speaker 3: talking about your football team, by the way?
• 36:07
  Speaker 2: That'll be tomorrow. We did spend a little bit of
• 36:08
  Speaker 2: time today. I did mention that we have the worst
• 36:10
  Speaker 2: quarterback in the country, no matter what level.
• 36:12
  Speaker 3: Well, you know what? I've got to be honest with you, man.
• 36:14
  Speaker 3: We told you guys that. No, I mentioned that. You
• 36:17
  Speaker 3: came here with UC Davis a year ago and looked terrible.
• 36:19
  Speaker 4: I don't know, man.
• 36:20
  Speaker 3: You want Devon Williams? Tell you what, we'll cut you
• 36:23
  Speaker 3: a deal.
• 36:23
  Speaker 1: Yeah?
• 36:23
  Speaker 3: You pay half his $ 4 million the rest of the way?
• 36:26
  Speaker 3: You can have him.
• 36:27
  Speaker 2: Our guy's not worth $ 250, 000. Your guy's not worth $ 2
• 36:31
  Speaker 2: million either. I had that conversation with you today a
• 36:34
  Speaker 2: little bit. Across the country, this is going to be
• 36:38
  Speaker 2: the problem. When you start having buyer's remorse, and then
• 36:41
  Speaker 2: you go back to the rich folks and say, hey,
• 36:45
  Speaker 2: you know what? We need another $ 2 million. What's Cal
• 36:48
  Speaker 2: doing right now?
• 36:49
  Speaker 7: Right.
• 36:50
  Speaker 2: I mean, JKS is awful.
• 36:51
  Speaker 3: Well, we own 2.3 and all the rest of the way,
• 36:53
  Speaker 3: so it's like a prorated deal. The Mariners make a trade.
• 36:56
  Speaker 3: You want to just cut him? Pick up the rest
• 36:57
  Speaker 3: of the salary. 2.3 mil. Call Lane. You can take him.
• 37:01
  Speaker 2: Call Lane right now. See if Lane will take him.
• 37:04
  Speaker 3: Lane doesn't want him. Lane's got the guy that we
• 37:06
  Speaker 3: were going to have if DeMond had gone to play
• 37:08
  Speaker 3: for Lane.
• 37:08
  Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah.
• 37:09
  Speaker 3: It's just so crazy how that works.
• 37:12
  Speaker 2: But that's the problem we run into is because instead
• 37:15
  Speaker 2: of just talking about, well, listen, he's struggling, but next
• 37:17
  Speaker 2: year he'll be better and all that. No, you're talking about, wait,
• 37:19
  Speaker 2: we just paid this guy $ 4 million. Again, it's not
• 37:21
  Speaker 2: just him. Cal's even worse shape. The kid's a sophomore.
• 37:26
  Speaker 3: Yeah, but that's Cal.
• 37:27
  Speaker 2: I know.
• 37:28
  Speaker 3: Right? That's the thing.
• 37:29
  Speaker 2: Well, they tried to play with the big boys.
• 37:30
  Speaker 3: No, that's Cal.
• 37:31
  Speaker 2: But that's the thing. You're trying to play this game
• 37:34
  Speaker 2: all across the country, and guys are– I don't know.
• 37:36
  Speaker 2: Who's your backup?
• 37:38
  Speaker 3: Who's Pinnock's backup?
• 37:39
  Speaker 2: Owen Eshelman. He's a freshman. Everyone's like, why is he
• 37:42
  Speaker 2: not playing? The thing you always say to yourself is,
• 37:48
  Speaker 2: how bad must he be if he can't get in
• 37:50
  Speaker 2: over this guy?
• 37:50
  Speaker 3: You've got to get the clip from Planes, Trains, and
• 37:52
  Speaker 3: Automobiles if you go to Owen. When he picks up
• 37:55
  Speaker 3: Steve Martin and John Candy, I'm Owen.
• 37:59
  Speaker 2: I was thinking... We came out sideways.
• 38:01
  Speaker 3: She didn't scream or nothing.
• 38:03
  Speaker 2: Owen has no friends. He's fat and he's stupid.
• 38:06
  Speaker 3: That's Throw Mama from the Train. Yeah, you gotta go
• 38:10
  Speaker 3: with that one, too.
• 38:11
  Speaker 2: There's a lot of great moment clips. I'm not sure.
• 38:15
  Speaker 2: I thought the Paul Wolf era, we had the worst...
• 38:17
  Speaker 2: With Kevin Lapina, that was the worst offense I'd ever seen.
• 38:22
  Speaker 2: This is worse.
• 38:23
  Speaker 3: We scored 54 points in five games. That's not even
• 38:26
  Speaker 3: 11 a game.
• 38:27
  Speaker 2: I think Three touchdowns. No, I think it's three touchdowns
• 38:32
  Speaker 2: against FBS opponents.
• 38:34
  Speaker 3: Listen, who am I to talk?
• 38:36
  Speaker 2: I know, we're both worthless right now with our teams.
• 38:38
  Speaker 2: Our team's both brutal. You know what, you guys get
• 38:41
  Speaker 2: a win against Iowa on Friday, it'll be fun.
• 38:43
  Speaker 3: I think they will win Friday, by the way. I
• 38:45
  Speaker 3: feel good about it. Also, I'm lying. I do think
• 38:51
  Speaker 3: they'll win.
• 38:55
  Speaker 2: I may come see you Friday.
• 38:56
  Speaker 3: Yeah, come on over.
• 38:57
  Speaker 2: I may come over after the hockey game.
• 38:58
  Speaker 3: What are you doing Friday?
• 38:59
  Speaker 2: I'm going to be at a hockey game, and I'll
• 39:00
  Speaker 2: be done about it.
• 39:00
  Speaker 3: Oh, you're off.
• 39:01
  Speaker 2: Yeah, come by. No, I'm not off. We've got a
• 39:03
  Speaker 2: hockey game.
• 39:04
  Speaker 3: You're off with the radio.
• 39:05
  Speaker 2: No, I'm doing two hours. Oh, you are?
• 39:07
  Speaker 4: Yeah.
• 39:07
  Speaker 2: Okay, gotcha.
• 39:09
  Speaker 3: You sure you can handle that?
• 39:10
  Speaker 1: No.
• 39:10
  Speaker 2: Do you have a spot on the sideline for me?
• 39:13
  Speaker 1: I do, yeah.
• 39:14
  Speaker 3: Call back.
• 39:14
  Speaker 5: Absolutely.
• 39:14
  Speaker 2: See if you'll let me come out.
• 39:15
  Speaker 3: If you want to hang out, you're more than welcome.
• 39:16
  Speaker 4: I can come down.
• 39:17
  Speaker 2: I want to watch how the pros do it. Done.
• 39:19
  Speaker 2: Come on over, man. I want to see how the
• 39:20
  Speaker 2: pro does it.
• 39:21
  Speaker 3: We got you covered.
• 39:22
  Speaker 2: At least you won't be sweating. How much weight did
• 39:24
  Speaker 2: you lose? You don't need to lose weight anymore. Yeah,
• 39:26
  Speaker 2: you don't need to lose weight anymore.
• 39:27
  Speaker 3: Well, I lost whatever I stuffed into my mouth on
• 39:29
  Speaker 3: Friday night. With who?
• 39:30
  Speaker 2: Who are you with again?
• 39:32
  Speaker 3: Petros.
• 39:32
  Speaker 1: Oh, God.
• 39:33
  Speaker 3: Oh, you want to hear a clip?
• 39:34
  Speaker 4: Is that what you're doing?
• 39:35
  Speaker 3: That's what I want to hear.
• 39:36
  Speaker 4: Is that what you're bringing on?
• 39:37
  Speaker 2: Come on.
• 39:37
  Speaker 3: Come on. You play one of my favorite ones.
• 39:39
  Speaker 2: Give me a Petros.
• 39:40
  Speaker 3: Let me get a good one. How about we do
• 39:42
  Speaker 3: this one? I love Dick, but I'm on my period.
• 39:47
  Speaker 2: With that said, what's on your show today, sir?
• 39:48
  Speaker 3: He's going to bite their genitals off and spit them
• 39:51
  Speaker 3: into the Willamette.
• 39:52
  Speaker 2: Wall's going down. What are you doing today on your show?
• 39:56
  Speaker 3: Reaction to the weekend, obviously. Hugh Villain will join at 4.
• 40:00
  Speaker 3: More at 4. Yeah, we'll go more at 4 with Hugh.
• 40:02
  Speaker 3: We've got a couple segments. Then we've got Falcon Saints
• 40:05
  Speaker 3: coming at 5 o'clock tonight from New Orleans.
• 40:07
  Speaker 2: Beautiful.
• 40:08
  Speaker 3: A little You Make the Call, Bellevue Rare Coins Golden
• 40:10
  Speaker 3: Moment from the weekend. Then are we all glass half
• 40:13
  Speaker 3: full for the Seahawks? After another win, or are we
• 40:16
  Speaker 3: getting to a point now where we're getting picky about
• 40:19
  Speaker 3: these games? So we'll do that coming up as well.